Has this gotten out of hand? Blitz Bots, Alliance Shelling and Possible Solutions
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- In this video I am joined by MobileGamer aka OhEmGee and we discuss some controversial topics surrounding Marvel Strike Force.
We discuss the negative effects of shell alliances and the recent prevalence of blitz bots.
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2 hour redskull blitz got me burnt out to hell. I need ss but can’t bring myself to blitz hard anymore for a while
People who use Blitz Bots should be banned. People in shell alliances should be locked into there own separate shard so that they only ever compete with each other.
Agreed 💯
Blitz bots are just cheaters. They don't deserve the rewards for using 3rd party programs.
It’s definitely out of hand. Somebody needs to do something about it because it’s just straight up not fair and not right.
I love the Thundercats spin on your shirt! Also, the thing I find funny about the shelling is so many of the fixmsf movement alliances shell.
Games by “competitive” players? Ummm... running away from equal competition seems like the antithesis of “competitive.”
If whales were the victims, FN would have solved the shell alliance about a year ago. Since a lot of whales are benefiting, FN was just complicit and until recently completely refused to even acknowledge the issue at all.
I think he said super competitive. I took it as players that will do anything to win, they arent competing with the victims but with each other.
Unfortunately Whales control the game. FN couldn't careless about the F2P
"Has this gotten out of hand?" - Hand Rework Confirmed?!
Lol
To be fair the reviving minions from the dead gimmick works WAY better for Nobu and the Hand than Red Skull
Once these shell alliance disappears believe me the guys at the top will welcome them with open arms.
Too true.
Beat those turds into the dirt
If they really want player engagement, they should reset the shops every two hours, instead of a two blitz cd.
I was #35 in that blitz with 34.9M and I don’t use a blitz bot, just a lot of work.
Daum nice the highest I've gotten is 5 mill ;(
Highest I got is 16.5 mil. I was so burnt. The game controlled my life for 3 days. It shouldnt be that way. I won't push anymore until they address this.
For Shelling, I think its the devs fault. Pretty simple fix. Losing in a higher tier should give you better rewards than winning in a lower tier.
They need to add multiple blitzes and base them off a TCP range.
I can’t for the life of me understand why there isn’t blitz shards like arena shards.
Josh that’s a great idea
Been playing for 526 days, 99% ftp (minus that ghost rider offer ;)) My alliance is Gold 1 and we just faced what we believe to be a shell alliance 2 wars ago (5 days). There name was Doomsdale btw. They destroyed us like 360 to 2200 points. They took out every node. We have never lost like that before. It's always been within a couple hundred points. My alliance has 6 people with Ultron and they had 19. Totally overmatched. We took screenshots and we all reported them but it was one of the most frustrating things I've experienced in this game. I hope they change it and hold these people accountable. That screwed us out of a lot of rewards. And then of course, we slaughtered out next opponent. So idk.
If they just made blitz rewards less stingy there wouldn’t be such a crazy rush to the insanity.
Hey ValleyFlyin, I'm new to MSF in the past 8 months. I'm wondering what your thoughts would be on FoxNext creating an "ethics score," for all players? It would display a numerical value for players based on alliance transfers, high collection rates, etc to create a total score that might indicate a player value that alliance leaders could quantitatively observe. Then alliance leaders could take that or leave that before determining their admission. Just my thought on how to convert shady behavior into something observable.
Also that Auto sim-off mechanic that they want to implement will not stop blitz botting. As you can put blitz botting to blitz for you and you can go AFK, the whole point of blitz botting is for the person to start the bot and just leave the computer running for 3 days and get 30 mil score. The Blitz auto sim will require the player to still be at the pc, nobody will stop botting for that. Especially when botting helps you play even when you go to bed.
I think the blitz bots could be also contributing to delays on more saved squads. I'm not entirely sure how they run but I'm guessing the run through saved squads so adding more would likely have blitz scores going higher and higher
I think it's great you guys keep talking about these issues. Great attitude. Thanks you guys.
We have gotten screwed in our last 3 wars. The last war no node had a CP of less than 200k where out guild only averages about 80k a node.
My best character's are 20k each and then i get 50k per character teams. Its an autoloss like ohemgee said..
My alliance leveled up to gold tier 2. Our first match was against a 120million alliance. It was double our alliance size. They totally destroyed all of our rooms.
Back in the day,, I wrote a script for a Facebook game called Superhero City, which automated opening loot chests. I was banned for life because in their ToS they had a simple clause to accessing or playing the game not as intended. Simple solution that has worked against me personally.
Just get rid of blitz for shards - make milestones rewards for toons. Blitz you just get credits and blitz credits/orbs
easy fix i think will be block a user for one next war when changing alliance, it will prevent the shelling making the swap less profitable
I came across that same "auto blitz" glitch screen right after the red skull ended.
Maybe that Auto Sim - on/offbutton was a feature to auto that 1 particular battle without having to actually enter the battle.
I would love that Auto feature in blitz... it would be a game changer for me... there is too much time spent in blitz
I dont understand for war why dont they group ppl based on total alliance collective power. This is an easy solution and based rank that way.
mike jones they don’t give a shit
Can’t agree enough, make it so that even if they switch to another alliance they’re matching with the same pool of alliances based on relative total power!
My best team is 100k.. then i get a war where the enemy has 50k + power level heroes. Sad. I suppose its a garbage matchmaking issue and not exactly cheating..
There are lots of ligue. It is something like football. In the champion ligue only champions play, but a champion in Brasil vs England are not fair but they both are champion.
Auto-sim would allow players to get through their rotation quicker and have more 'free' time in between rotation. It won't solve the bot problem: bots will auto-sim and save time as well, saving up to 5 minutes per rotation, they could even get an extra-rotation in over the course of a 3-day blitz
A couple days ago my alliance faced another alliance in gold 2 who had a total collection power of 30 million more than ours. Don’t see how matching works
What’s the point of blitz if you are just autoing the whole thing?
My suggestions.
1. Add total alliance power cap. (this way strongest players never team up together and create the alliances like poh and cabals).
2. Set matchmaking that way so both opponents have equal total alliance power. I don't care how will it be designed. Just give people fair competition, but not 10-20kk punch ups. This is bullshit.
Awh man! That Steel guy is in my arena battles. But now he has changed his name to Steel HULK!
We just fought a shell alliance. They were silver 3 we are gold 1 with 100 points over them. They crushed us in under 3 hours. Makes it so people don't want to play.
Some dude on discord showed he has 6X 7rs..now thats cheating
ContestOfNoobs no it’s no lol it’s luck
@@insanenative445 and a healthy(unhealthy?) injection of cash usually
Tony Edwards it’s called a joke, look it up
I'd call hax, but depends who they are, I've got loads of 6rs absolute garbage
Tony seems like one of those cheaters.
They make u log in so much because when your sleep deprived your more inclined to spend
Want to make blitz bots less useful? Change the blitz reward structure. Just make all rewards percentage based, and make the overall rewards less stingy.
Went against one in alliance war, their lowest on the other alliance was more than my alliances highest
This is definitely a whale problem. Spend currency on the game and you may be tempted to the darkside because you want to get your money's worth. That's why I go F2P, that way I don't care if I am not top of the boards. Well that and being poor.
It's tiring, the 2 hour blitz thing (I have been only doing milestones for last half year), raids are more involving as we have a choice(to do or not), and involves team push. The bot sounds like a bad thing
someone needs to take care of this!!
With regards to blitz bots, since foxnext probably doesn’t want to ban players, just move them to their own blitz shard for that blitz (like they have for 30 day beginners -separate of course) and give them dogs#!t rewards. And it’s easily detected by seeing “oh you’ve played blitz every 2 hrs for 48 hrs” well that’s not possible for a human.
If this game was more random chance and shards had better payout rates or newer characters weren't sure when to expect them next.I can understand player frustration and alternative gameplay.
you guys usually do fun videos, but this is really important. good job. look at the cheating now, then imagine if foxnext adds pvp and tournaments, then the cheating will be insane.
It’s baaaaaaaaaaack. The team my Gold III alliance is up against is a silver IV and their flight deck is all 400,000 - 700,000
This has gone on for too long and changes need to be made now but I don’t think foxnext will make changes I mean I saw in last weeks news video about them maybe adding an auto sim feature for blitz but how long is that going to take and war is just becoming stupid they can keep being out war defence teams but that’s not going to help when you get matched against an alliance that’s twice the size of yours it’s just unfair and I’ve lost people in my alliance because of this because war is just becoming a drain for them I hope changes are made soon great content as always valley and I hope people from foxnext see this and realise they need to fix this soon as possible
Awesome Guys thank you for making a video about this, you both are awesome. Cheers stay healty.
I never understood why going from a 6hour blitz to a 2 hour blitz was a bad move. I understand the burn out feeling, but I can only see the 2 hour as a positive thing because you get more chances to obtain higher points during the blitz which results in more shards and rewards. I personally would not have progressed as much and ESPECIALLY received as many shards if it was still on a 6 hour blitz. maybe 2 hour blitz is for people who aren't whales idk. I hope this does not change. It will negatively affect me and people who don't spend a lot of money on this game. But that's just my opinion.
What is the music you use for your intro? I'm getting back in the cage and I'm feeling it as my intro music.
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Oh man I brought this up months ago like September maybe October I’m glad to see it finally get some legs.
I didn’t know to call them shell alliances though so I called them Coalition Alliances, when there’s a group that has 18 or more alliances in it you can bet more then 3 of them are shell alliances.
Agree with 6hr blitz being ideal.
We should be allowed to join blitz shards. People who love blitz can join a 2 hour shard and have at it, people who hate it or have lives outside msf can join a 6 hour shard.
Same rewards per shard.
Join the group that excites you most. Scripts would not succeed as much in 6 hour blitz shards where other players are actually running the matches.
Hello Ahnald of MSF world, mobilegamer said to say hi.
Faced a shell alliance the other day and it felt weird to get an easy win.
I know what you mean it feels boring and empty
Would be nice if they could lock a player into the tier and they can only join alliance that falls into the War tier they have averaged.
They need to add a shell to the guys who shell alliance profile so they are shamed for good
I'm personally really against blitz sims, if I put in the effort I can get rank 500 or so but if everyone can just auto sim it'll be much harder for me to get those same rewards. I think a good way to fix this would be for auto-simming to reward somewhere between 25-50% of what regular fighting will give, so people outside of the top 2000 on leaderboards will still be able to hit top 2000 in blitz.
To stop shelling, alliances need to play against other alliances that have similar TCP. It shouldn't be based on what level you are in.
If a shelling alliance are playing in a silver 4 league, and still having to play against Gold 1 alliances, then they would stop as the rewards would be lower and the win/loss ratio would still be the same.
We are fighting a shell team rightnow Phoque and they are at 1100 and we scored 80 they were all completely over powered 110k Pheonix , 90 k captain marvel , 90 k shuri it's an automatic loss for my entire alliance WE COULDN'T EVEN DO ONE ROOM .
We are an 82 mil alliance today facing a 107 mil alliance. Support says that’s within the code for how March making works. 🤷🏼♂️
I blitzed hard for the first red skull and posted a 12mil score and only finished 1-3% and at that point I lost my urge to blitz hard any more....following OMG and just doing the mile stones for the most part.
Bots are being sold for 100.00 APK based. Point is that this hurts the game and the legitimate players trying to get rewards in any blitz. Why would they allow this to continue?
Especially with the Envoy saying "hey this is happening".
They know, but are turning a blind eye!
Allowing people to take any game and abuse it, and not fixing it with the technological abilities to now adays. Is a insult to the pure gamers who are playing the game correctly!
104 million in a blitz is insane!!! The curve is absolutely screwed by the cheaters. Even if you maxed your toons/teams in blitzing with cool downs and you never missed a chance to blitz. You can never be on a fair playing field with CHEATERS!
No it hasn't gotten out of hand this game has been out of hand for a year now
I spent over 2 hundred on this game played from day 1 and I quit the game 7 months ago and I don't miss it at all
Embracing the auto instead of trying to always put up walls to stop exploits is the better option. If they kept trying to throw up detectors and counter measures it's a never ending battle and a waste of resources. If they enable autoing, they now control it and the people trying to profit from making autobots really can't (not in the same scope). It's kinda like what HBO did with GoT. It was the most pirated thing out there (early seasons). So they made a second platform to their HBO Go and did HBO Now. People will take the easiest option. Auto in the game, or seek out a shady autobot, it's really a no brainier.
This is the same problem in MCOC as well
I think it has gotten out of hands for the past 18 months, like OhEmGEE said
They should have a solution for both shell alliances and blitz bots. They are not cheating per se, but more and more legit players are going to adopt these solutions to stay competitive if they don't.
And for blitz rotation time, I get your point. I also think this game (and mostly blitz) is to time consuming. But having said that, I prefer the 2 h rotation over the 6 h one, as my job will not let me play whenever, so when we had 6 h cooldown, many days I would get only one rotation a day, after work. Now at least a can squeeze a few rotations in that same time, and my results are better. The best solution though, already mentioned several times, would be to have attempts just like in challenges, 3-4 a day, that you could play whenever.
And by the way, a full 20 team rotation takes 45-60 minutes in lower tiers, with the new cycling option active.
Does total collection power also determine who you compete with in Blitz?
@ValleyFlyin I think I might be in a shell alliance. Where can I go to look for an alliance that's not shelling?
Hey valley, I think a good solution for blitz would be to make the ranked rewards be based on win streak as opposed to points. What do you think?
When you create a game with artificial barriers and whatnot, of course people are going to come up with solutions to get around those barriers.This has been going on since the precursor to mobile games came out--Facebook (or other browser-based) games. It used to be you'd pay someone offshore to grind your account while you slept (and it was pretty cheap from what I recall). But as bot technology improved, folks shifted to that. I've never done it, but I've wanted to 'cause who has hours and hours to kill mindlessly grinding?
Fear of bots is why the Japanese developers of Fate/Grand Order hate emulators. They want people to manually do the same fight over and over again for hours and hours on end during events.
The AstroNerdBoy yup. Everyone wants to blame the players when in reality it's the devs. I've been telling everyone about this and they hardly ever admit it. Same with shelling.
Yeah they should put like 4 blitz on for 3 day each
The thing is there is an auto feature to make things faster. Sim is cool feature to save more time than auto, but it doesn't fix the cheat issue. still a broken issue for bots
Why not just disable auto-attacking in Blitz. If you want that top spot you have to put in the work. Yeah, some people will be pissed off but the scrips won't work after that. I mean I stop at around 7 to 9 million now because I am like "what's the point?"
Yes, give everyone auto blitz. Soul Hunters had an auto function, but they didn’t have a blitz competition function. It saves time and increases lifestyle.
Put the cooldown to a longer time again and let us auto. 2 hour cooldown fosters addiction and actually drives away most casual players or people with jobs. I guess it does give F2P players a way to build a roster without massive investment.
My understanding is that blitz bots only works on computers. If that is the case, MSF may have to go the direction MCOC went and ban emulators like Blue Stacks.
At least until, MSF has the resources and/or capabilities to address the blitz bots in another way.
Blitz... Win percentage as a multiplier. Seems a simple fix.
This has been happening since launch, and I've been complaining about it since launch.
Blitz did the same thing to me, and i just noticed that it happened to me at the same Score shown on the one in the video. Might glitch at even 270,000 points
If thats their answer to blitz bots then just get rid of the whole blitz. Ridiculous to even leave it in the game if thats how everyone will use it.
Wouldn't it be great if the war matchmaking is based on collection power? That way shells would be fighting with shells so they'll eventually stop doing it
The biggest problem the game has is Bugs and Lag the game is lagging so much and I know some people will say they give free stuff as a thanks for waiting for us to fix the bugs but they take so much time to fix something like the battle audio is turning off randomly some animations Don't even have sound anymore like Jesus it's so frustrating
Isn't the auto mechanic for Blitz self-explanatory if you take a look at the screenshot? You can only auto teams with 3 or 4 stars.
After joining a old alliance and join a new the cool down for raid leave it 24 hours... and if u jump a week cool down for war
My alliance hasn't got past the flight deck twice before
They have the same problem with Pokemon Go 2 years ago , they just banned the player who Bot
Foxtnext Dev: So there are a lot of players using bots which allows them to not have to play and still be at the top in blitz
Foxtnext Financial guys: Well how much do they spend?
Foxtnext Devs: Most of them spend a lot
Foxtnext Financial guys: Well then let's create a feature that just lets them do it in-game so we don't have to ban anyone.
Foxtnext Devs: Wouldn't that hurt the players that don't spend as much who just grind it out so they can unlock the new characters
Foxtnext Financial guys: If they don't spend then we don't care.
I don't like it when people conflate competitiveness with cheating. There are people out there who believe that if you ARENT cheating then you arent competitive. There's nothing competitive about facing off against an alliance 1/4th your power. There's nothing competitive about being able to walk through a match without any type of challenge. There's nothing competitive about having a literal computer program play for you. In my opinion, it's literally the opposite of competitiveness.
Valley have you saw BAP? It uses packets to bot blitz. search it on youtube. my alliance mates have been using it for 6 months+ youtube search BAP blitz auto play msf
So shelling huh? Couldnt they fix that by not letting you join a war until youve been in alliance for at least a week? Unless im misunderstanding, seems like an easy fix.
Foxnext knew about shelling in April of 2019. I asked them about shelling and if it violated the Terms of Service then.
Just put blitz from 2h cool down to once a day. Fixed.
Has it gotten out of hand? When your introduction of new characters depends on blitz or purchasing the champs, it's out of hand. Cheating is dumb in a game like this and should be punished. The fact they have not implemented a solution is embarassing.
Shelling is a outcome of continuous mismatch of war. Some players never wanted to shell but uneven matchmaking, getting overpowered teams 2/3 matches. Make match making correct and rearrange rewards About bots in blitz make a restriction that only 6 times you can play blitz in a day. That is 12hrs of rest and 12 hrs of playing time. By this potential players with high tcp will fight with valour. Forward this to foxnext if they like the idea send me bottle of whiskey as its completely lock down in India
The auto-sim looks like it's a QA tool. I figure this might have just exposed a tool to either test gameplay or an auto-play tool to use against a bot detector. I doubt they would give us an auto-play feature, but who knows?
I'm all for fair competition but I don't blame players shelling in war for the following reason; FN's matchmaking is so poor. They have it programmed to routinely give players matches they cannot punch up. A 10-20 million TCP disadvantage is very difficult to overcome and it is very routine if you're in a G3 to G4 War alliance in the top 50 TACP groups. I've faced the #2 power alliance in the game as a #40 power alliance.
Growing up I played baseball for a small high school in CA. I remember we had scrimmages set up to play one of the strongest schools in Southern CA, in Mater Dei. My school couldn't even field a full team for Winter ball. We had 8 players. They brought around 25 players in a large bus. We literally had to borrow one of their players to play on our team in Right Field. We got smashed, mercy rule. You signed up for baseball at my school for Freshman or JV, you were automatically a starter. There were little to no try outs.
It doesn't feel fair or great competitively to get matched up against teams well outside your prowess level. You want a relatively fair match making so that each are striving to outdo the other. It's okay for some power gap, but it needs to be close so the smaller guy can overcome the odds with effort, strategy, determination.
Some of these matchups in MSF feel like the New England Patriots being matched up vs an Arena Football League team. And for that reason I understand why groups decide to shell in war. If matchmaking is handicapped against their efforts in trying to win a high % of their wars, taking matters into their own hands makes sense. Instead of having life handicap you, they're turning the tables and taking control of a bad situation.
It's on FN to fix matchmaking, then I'll say ban shell alliances. But banning shell alliances without fixing matchmaking isn't good for the game either. We should always be fighting teams around our TCP, not around our war ratings. The season rewards are crap so don't punish alliances for trying hard in the mode but putting them up against alliances well above their weight class.
Weight class system please.
thank you
DIJAY has been demoted. Burn 😂
Legion_ofSPQR a top 20 alliance shells
How in the heck is an alliance leader going to know if a high Tcp player has been shelling?
FN don’t care. I sent them a message numerous time’s and all they replied to me saying was “our in-house investigation results will have to remain confidential”. They honestly don’t care.
Simple fix is if you leave an alliance, you can’t participate in alliance war for a week! Shellers will get hardly any rewards and also lose the season rewards too
Should just matchmake tcp of an alliance and not trophies or tier , and if you are in brand new alliance of friends leaving clusters like I am , and had a ship at silver 1 and are trying to build up to gold 3 or wherever we know we really belong , we can be matched up against a gold 3 alliance, win and can be immediately promoted to gold 3 after just a single win, this way I don't have to deal with cry babies calling me a sheller
The first civilisation on pc is my favourite game of all time Valley.