It's funny. I think the 2024 Raptor-R is much nicer looking than the previous models. I love the look of the lights and the new graphics. Much neater and more subdued than the previous gen. The Raptor-R will have more power and more options to make it the best Raptor to date. I'm debating on either shelter green or avalanche white.
I was at Ford Fest for the reveal of the Raptor. I very much so prefer the looks of the gen 2. But I do have to say that the new look of the head lights and tail lights do look better in person on the new Raptor. Still, I am not giving up my gen 2.
I’d pick a Gen 1 over a 2. I never liked the look of it. It always looks very nosey up front. It was a very pointy design from Ford. I dig the softer styling on the Gen3. That being said looks are always subjective. Gen1>Gen3>Gen2
I agree on Gen 2 best looking, if it just weren't for that 3.5 with crappy valvetrain (cam phasers). I am hearing that over 70% of 3.5's from that generation are affected now? Which really means ALL of them are, they all just haven't been affected YET....
Yeah, I don’t anyone that’s had avoided it. But at least it don’t disable the truck like the issues Toyota is having on their TTv6. Also the R is too expensive + the markups so our only v8 option is a used gen1
I have a few question, if you will: Do you know what the max weight capacity is for this new split tailgate when it is opened and laying flat like the traditional tailgate with the pullout step? Is it similar, much less, how much? I'm a big guy, and I want to be able to stand on whichever tailgate I get with my new truck in 2024. I'm concerned that standing on that split door when it's closed and flat may not support me or may be more prone to damage. For that matter, do you know what the weight capacity is when laying flat for the traditional tailgate and for that pull out step? Thanks. Good review. Oh, and do you think that new dual live valve setup will make the Raptor 37 even more buttery smooth driving on the highway than it was before? Do you think it might help the 37 drive as buttery smooth on the highways as the 35? That would be something. I agree with your headlight comments. Don't like em at all. Big tough trucks with dainty little headlights. That's the impression I get. Should go back to big halogens. And did I hear you right, can we get the Powerboost hybrid and the 7.5kw set up with the Tremor in 2024, not just the Platinum? Wow, that would be nice.
That’s a good question. I don’t think it’s rated less. There is still a frame going along the bottom of the tailgate that I’m sure its triangled inside of the left and right side. There is no reason to suspect it would have a record capacity. But I honestly don’t know for sure and ford has not published any details on the tailgate weight capabilities
Me too. I just don’t understand why they haven’t done it yet. They said they are trying to sell more hybrids. Yet their 2 offroad versions of the truck can’t get a hybrid version.
@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad the thumb nail of this video is what that color and front reminded me of th-cam.com/video/B_qgXb-4YlU/w-d-xo.html&pp=ygUYaGFsbyBtYXN0ZXIgY2hpZWYgaGVsbWV0
The new Graphics on the Raptor R makes me think that Team Rocket from Pokemon drives a Raptor R and they didn't even need to put their logo on the bedsides :-D. I'm a big fan of the graphics delete.
IMO it’s a huge disappointment to see it gone. It was removed to clear the v8 and Ford took it completely off the whole platform and replaced is with ABS / traction control programming. It really sucks. Won’t affect t high speed off-roading, but on the slow stuff when you need to crawl over something it’s going to suck waiting for the ABS system to catch up or it cuts power
Agree. How can anyone afford a $1500-2000 car payment. That’s a freaking mortgage. And prices are only getting higher with the UAW strike, manufacturers that keeps raising prices, and greedy dealers adding markups on everything.
Did I hear you right, will the 2024 or if not then the 2025 Tremor be available with the hybrid Powerboost? You seemed to say or suggest it would be available with all but the Raptor.
No. When we filmed the video you could spec out a hybrid tremor. Turns out it was a bug in the builder. But it would be nice to have a hybrid powertrain on the tremor and the raptor. Not sure Ford will ever do it though.
@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad What I didn’t like was of course the exhaust and the interior quality of all the materials , I have the Ricardo seats and that whole package which makes a difference too…I do still like the look of the Gen 1 and the Gen 2 but I prefer the Gen 3(drives so good and love the exhaust tone)
Yeah everyone hated the v6 note. Glad they updated for the gen3 and made it sound more like a GTR. I had the Recaros on my 20 gen2 and while I loved less sliding, they are so cheaply made. The clips on mine failed within the first year and we got a good look at how cheapest they are made. I do like the interior cabin tech in the gen3, but I hate the material look. It looks like a ton more cheap plastic IMO. And too much shinny silver accents for my taste. The Gen2 carbon inserts also looked better to me.
This new grill is not my thing. Same with the headlights. Keeping the current Gen fresh is one thing, but too much face lifting is not good either. Like the dual live valve shocks. Looking forward to seeing a review on this channel. By the way, great review. Like the new garage talk setup!!!
Thanks man. Trying out something new with the backgrounds. Hope we get a chance to drive the dual live valve trucks when they come out. There is a lot of potential in that setup.
I like the lights to the Raptor the only thing I don’t like is that the lights you like remind me of the Chevy truck lights where there split , lights on top and bottom
The new update looks have kinda grown on me but could be better. On colors they should have done a true cement gray as well race red and a desert tan !
Fingers crossed man. Read a report that the truck company that transports all the vehicles for ford went on strike as well. I hope it was only at the effected plants.
Split tailgate vs giant ford logo tailgate, they kept the ford logo for the raptor. They don’t offer that silver platinum tailgate anymore which I wish they kept
Gen 2 is by far the most aggressive looking, side by side its easy to see. Gen 2 doesn't have that god awful gear stick thats shaped like a childs driving simulator or something Xbox would put out. Oh and those gen 3 wing mirrors shape is inexcusable.
Ford made a lot of odd decisions with the gen3 styling. I get that they wanted the truck to look bigger. But it’s just odd. For my money I wish the shifter was on the column. Could use that extra space for more switches or a built in radio.
I am confused. At the end you mention that the Tremor has the Hybrid Engine with a big battery but the Raptor doesn't. For me it looks like it's the other way around. The Raptor V6 Eco boost has the 2KW Generator on board. I can't find that for the Tremor? The "full Hybrid" seems to be not available for Tremor and Raptor. I personally think thats a bummer and a must have
Yeah, I agree. When we shot the video, the configuration tool allowed you to spec a tremor with the 3.5 hybrid powertrain and the big battery. Ford for what ever reason, Ford changed it. Don’t know why. Maybe it was an error in the configurator. But it’s a shame
@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad I totally agree. Tremor and Raptor should have a big battery for mentioned reasons (e.g. road camping). I will probably wait then a bit more and hope for the bigger battery to come (back).
I hope Ford eventually offers the hybrid powertrain with the big pack in the Raptor. That would be an impressive rig IMO. I would buy that over the R anyday.
🤣🤣 really? Yeah man, my gen2 would always scrape the front hooks on the trails on washes or during a jump. That front suspension is a little low and the bumper hands down to much. Frame cut is the way to go for serious high speed off-roading.
I think it sucks that you now have to pay a monthly subscription to use the 360 camera system. The monthly truck payment is high enough, and now you have additional subscriptions, thats just wrong.
That’s actually changed. As I was editing this video, the drive released an article that Ford messed up on the messaging. 360 cameras already installed are not subscription based. If your truck has them they will work
Sucks no access tailgate on the raptor. And they totally should have the original step and the access tailgate. See no reason why that couldn’t be an option. But I’ll gladly keep my old man step over that tailgate lol
I love my old man step. Specially over the options from Chevy and Ram. I think they are still figuring out the split tailgate. You could see it in the demos. It would not open easily and got stuck sometimes. Hopefully they update it for the next refresh and improve it
Anybody out there buy a gen. 2 Raptor that the glove box latch was broken on delivery? Both of mine had the same problem, and not only they couldn’t fix it, they continued to produce the defect for 4 years on an 80K Truck!
@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad one side of the glove box wouldn’t latch, the side closest to the driver. Had this issue in a 2018, and I caught them delivering me the 2020, same issue upon picking up the vehicle, so they said we will look at it, but it only closed right once! 🤣
@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad would you be willing to admit that it’s flimsy, at best? This is supposedly a top of the line truck, that was purchased to be abused a little bit, it’s not Toyota! 🤣
Toyota materials and interior build quality is a weird comparison. Specially with how cheap they have gotten the last few years. Mine was full of stuff too so it’s not like I had it empty and never had a problem. Not heard of others having issue either. Your issue is odd too because it’s a center latch. At least it was on my 17 and 20. Well center latch with tabs on both sides. Mine always clipped in without fail. Did you have anything heavy inside of the glove box?
Man I hope not. If you look at the winch add in, it slips into the frame and bolts I’m inside somewhere and there did not look like there was a spot for the sensor on the winch. I so hope it’s somewhere in the grill somewhere.
I love the Gen 2 looks wise. The overall appearance is more aggressive. But the headlights and amber markers on the gen 3.1 is much nicer. Wish I would fit them on my gen 2. This gen 3.2 head lights and tails are disgusting not sure of the direction Ford’s taking this. 😮
Yeah, the new lights is an odd choice that just does not look right. Some are saying it looks better in person. But they said the same of the gen3 when it first came out.
@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad I guess if they’re taking styling ques from the gen 1 for this new GEN three, hopefully on the GEN 4, they will take styling cues from the gen 2 and improve upon that. I have nothing but time. I also second what you said why is there not a hybrid power boost option for the raptor? This is a huge mis imo.
Yeah man. If they could bump the HP to at least 500hp and maybe get torque to 550-600 it would better than the R. Specially if the battery pack is closer to the back. More balance and better MPGs and tons of power for camping.
Thanks. Some people like them. But it think they like it because it’s the new thing. Overall to me, they look out of place with the overall design of the truck.
I don't think you can spec the Tremor with the Hybrid, unfortunately. 5.0 or 3.5 twin turbo. Too bad. I have a 2023 Tremor and love it. Not a fan of the new grill and lights on the 2024, but thank god they got rid of the orange recover hooks. I changed mine out to black. Just my opinion.
Check the configuration. 5.0 is the base engine for the tremor and power boost is optional extra. Elevated the price but would be perfect for a overland rig
I double checked the configuration. I agree, Powerboost would be a great option, and wish it was available on standard Raptor also, but I don't see that available, only 5.0 or 3.5 ecoboost, no Powerboost option. Am I missing something?@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad
Damn, Ford changed the configuration again. As of the filming of the video I was able to select powerboost with the 7.2kw pro power option. Today it’s only ecoboost and 2kw pro power. I should have filmed the configuration.
It's too bad that option is not available. Maybe they will change their minds at some point. Appreciate the content. Keep up the great work. @@KeepItDirtyOffRoad
All we really wanna know, how much horse power does it have, and how much does it cost. These days every truck has these features, the only thing that will actually will attract buyers, is they won’t be embarrassed spending 90K on a V6, and getting your ass kicked on the highway by a TRX. No one’s gonna see you go off road. I’m really harsh on Ford, because they just don’t listen, and that’s a mistake, because people have options, I don’t believe their bullshit anymore!
Price is live man. And the HP bump will be minimal so it won’t matter honestly. As for the rest, people that buy ecoboost raptors don’t buy them to “race” on pavement. They buy them to offroad. And offroad lighter is better. And the v6 outperforms the TRX offroad. I have videos of it on this channel showing how the TRX is barely on par with the gen2 raptor with the leaf sprung back end. The new Gen3 with dual live valves has the potential to really be something else offroad. And guys taking these offroad don’t care if they are seen or not. It’s not about the flash.
@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad the people that bought the original Gen. 1 Raptors, particularly bought the truck because it had more horsepower, and better sound than any other truck on the market. That being said, what solace doe those original fans have now, a dumbed Dow version of it, for twice as much money. The original team that worked on the first Raptors, has long since dis banded, and replaced by a bunch of corporate butt holes, that know nothing! The prices are also insane! I’m not not spending 90K on a truck so I can jump over a mud hole, I’m gonna use it as a daily, and I want it to impress me daily, with a V8, just like the good old days!
🤣🤣 look man. It’s obvious your clueless here on what Raptors can do. I own a Gen1 and invested heavily into for as you say “jumping mud holes” 🤣🤣. Easily a $100k truck at this point. And the guys that spend money for proper prerunners are spending $150-500k to have those trucks builds. Every generations has been an improvement in performance offroad from the previous one. gen1 is great and still my choice for a rig to upgrade. But it was far from perfect. Frames were bending and the V8 was the epitome of a lazy v8 barely making 400hp. Gen2 had more power, was lighter, and improved on strength and performance. Stock for stock Gen2s way outperform the Gen1. Now the Gen 3 is an ugly truck for sure, but it’s making mid travel suspension numbers from a stock truck. It’s keeping up with mid travel trucks and in terms of performance it’s better than any v8 trucks offroad. Including the R. Now the cost is high on these trucks for sure. Ford prices are ridiculous, but some people that buy raptors, buy them to offroad them. Because they know the truck can take it. The V8 argument has too many holes in it because the main benefit is noise and that’s it. The v6 is making more power and it’s faster and better balanced than the 6.2. Gen1 is nose heavy and harder to control offroad than the gen2 or Gen3s. AND These trucks are not made for street racing. Who in their right mind puts heavy ass 35s and 37s to race. You need a street truck for that and the Raptor is definitely not for you.
@@KeepItDirtyOffRoadeveryone’s entitled to spend their money as they please, I bought my first Raptor because it was a good drag racer, and could easily get around in the winter, I could enjoy it all year long as a daily, that was fun to drive. I just didn’t like the V6 as much, as I bought a 2018, then decided to buy a 2020, witch was even worse, as they seemed to detune the transmission and the truck was apparently slower, horsepower is only as good as the set up, so being I bought a 90K truck, that wasn’t thrilling me, I went to the Ram for the same money, imagine that, 250 more horsepower for the same money! I realize now, both trucks have gone up in price since then by a lot, and particularly the Raptor R is unattainable for just about anyone, Ford is out touch with the average off roader, they are mostly common people, working class guys, who are not gonna spend a small fortune so they can go off road, some do, but very few. They promised to answer the call with the Raptor R, and that’s a joke due to availability, and the insane price point, out of touch indeed! 🤣
Your math is off man. gen2, even the 2020 topped out in the 70s low 80s. I had a 17 and a 20 both fully loaded and never paid that much for them. I agree with you that the 19-20s were pos. I have a whole video series on all the issues my 2020 had. But even with the price increase for the 2023, it was still an $80k truck fully loaded, 67k for the cheap trim. A TRX started in the mid 70s and fully loaded was 90s to 100k before markups. So you were still paying a premium for it and despite the extra power, offroad it was only as good as a Gen2. But I digress, the real argument here is 10 years ago a Gen1 raptor topped out in the high 50s low 60s. Today they top out I’m the $110l range. DOUBLE, and we definitely don’t have double the truck. Building a gen1 for the same amount gives you a better truck that’s way more reliable than any new truck including the Gen3 and the TRX.
Yeah. But all manufacturers are doing it these days. The amount of cheap plastic in Toyotas is ridiculous. Their engines last forever, but their new interiors don’t.
Do we have verified incidents of drivers abusing these things so hard that they're crackin sunroofs!?!?!? Jeezus I had no idea there were that many people with $$$$, and I offroad the hell outta mine (with sunroof). Guess I'm not as maximum extreme abusive destroy everything as I thought...
Yep a couple actually. I know one that converted the truck back to no sunroof at great expense after cracking it. There is a lot of flex in the frame. So if you push it those with the twin panel roof will crack,
Jumps won’t do it. Flexing will. Out here in so called we are hitting uneven trails and washes at speed. It’s massive impacts and flexing at 45-65 mph on rough trails. You do that enough and it will eventually crack. If you take is easy, you will be fine. Ford is built tough. It’s mainly for those that push the limits of the truck
🤣🤣 you must be rich then. Because every Raptor guy I know complains about high gas prices here in so cal. $200 to fill up. That’s not cheap. And if you think otherwise you’re the smooth brain idiot.
We know. Read some of the first comments on this video. When the configuration first launched there was a bug in it where it allowed you to configure it as a hybrid. Ford corrected a week later
Totally agree, I am guessing they couldnt hold the front diff together with all the power of the R so they just removed it across entire line up. No way traction control is as good as the torsion diff.@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad
It was actually a matter of space. The 8.8 diff is plenty strong. It’s in the back of all mustangs handling 400hp+. It was removed to make space for the big v8. The torsion diff is slightly bigger and would not clear the engine. So as a cost cutting measure, it was removed from the whole platform. For high speed off-roading, it won’t make a difference. But when you need to crawl the truck over a rock or something it’s going to have problems. I guess they figured raptor guys don’t do much of that.
For off-roading it matters. Those extra 10 gallons is the difference of 150 miles offroad or 250 miles between stops. It really depends on what your doing and in any situation those 10 gallons come in handy
Great summary. I placed an order for the refreshed 2024 Raptor at MSRP after a grueling search. I really like the refresh including the new front end design. Q. Does the heads up display come standard on a V6 Raptor?
That’s a good question. I did not see it as an added options so it’s may be standard now with the Raptor. But after a quick search on the site and in the configuration tool, I could not find a clear answer
I currently own a 2019 raptor supercrew, 2019 mustang 5.0, and 2021 jeep Trackhawk. I hate Ford with a passion. Why are they still making the weak ass v6 raptor? Shit is slow. They should just make more raptor Rs so that these markups wouldn’t be so bad. I feel bad for anyone paying markup for a v6 raptor
Everyone going to TYV6 man. Toyota just did, Ram is next. And soon so will GM. The days of the big V8s are numbered man. New emission standards are killing them and manufacturers are getting penalized for making v8s. So there is no incentive for them to keep making them
@@KeepItDirtyOffRoadI get that. The v6 Raptor is simply too weak when you compare them for the TRX and raptor r. Raptor is supposed to be a speciality truck. Ford should have never gone with a v6 in the first place.
Ford was ahead of the curve with the V6. And it saved them a ton of money in the long run so I get it. I liked my Gen2 with the v6. The only time I felt I did not have enough power was over 75mph. Offroad it was just right and more than the suspension could handle anyways. The supercharged v8 is definitely more than the stock suspension can handle. I have the gen1 now with the V8 and supercharged. No where near what the R and TRX are doing but it does feel sluggish and lazy until you get in the top end. But I love the sound it makes and wish I could get an R. But markups are crazy and all the extra electronics would be problematic.
@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad my ecoboost raptor is shit slow. I’m used to big power v8s. It also sounds like shit. Ford should have put a supercharged v8 from the start. The only reason they even did put the supercharged v8!is because of Dodge. If it wasn’t for the Dodge, lame ass Ford would have never released the Raptor R. Lowest markup I could get in Cali is 30k. These markups are too crazy.
@@joemomma707 We will be lucky if there even is anything that has a V8 in 10 years. The writing is on the wall large displacement engines are going bye bye.
Damn, the background set up with the lighting is amazing 🤩
Thanks man. Trying something new and really happy with the results.
It's funny. I think the 2024 Raptor-R is much nicer looking than the previous models. I love the look of the lights and the new graphics. Much neater and more subdued than the previous gen. The Raptor-R will have more power and more options to make it the best Raptor to date. I'm debating on either shelter green or avalanche white.
I’m partial to the avalanche grey. Loved the color but always looked white in pictures. The new shelter green looked good in the videos.
@@KeepItDirtyOffRoadYou are right about the avalanche gray. Photos do not do it justice.
I was at Ford Fest for the reveal of the Raptor. I very much so prefer the looks of the gen 2. But I do have to say that the new look of the head lights and tail lights do look better in person on the new Raptor. Still, I am not giving up my gen 2.
A lot of people said that about the gen3 setup when it first came out and it never grew on me.
I’d pick a Gen 1 over a 2. I never liked the look of it. It always looks very nosey up front. It was a very pointy design from Ford. I dig the softer styling on the Gen3. That being said looks are always subjective.
Gen1>Gen3>Gen2
I agree on Gen 2 best looking, if it just weren't for that 3.5 with crappy valvetrain (cam phasers). I am hearing that over 70% of 3.5's from that generation are affected now? Which really means ALL of them are, they all just haven't been affected YET....
Yeah, I don’t anyone that’s had avoided it. But at least it don’t disable the truck like the issues Toyota is having on their TTv6. Also the R is too expensive + the markups so our only v8 option is a used gen1
I really think my Gen3 looks better than my Gen2. Avalanche Gray on 37s is a dream!
To each his own. I loved the gen2 styling. But yes, avalanche Grey is still my favorite
Gen 3 by far is the best design minus this refresh.
agree, I like the gen 3 best. Also have avalanche gray 37 pp :)
Gen 2 is iconic. I still can't get used to the Gen 3 look. The new refresh is a step in the right direction to me.
Gen 2 for me. It just looks like a trophy truck that should be ripping around and desert.
Dude your vids are awesome. I never comment for some reason on YT but your channel is on point!
Thanks man 🙏🙏
Another great video!! Love your channel and content
Thanks 🙏
I have a few question, if you will: Do you know what the max weight capacity is for this new split tailgate when it is opened and laying flat like the traditional tailgate with the pullout step? Is it similar, much less, how much? I'm a big guy, and I want to be able to stand on whichever tailgate I get with my new truck in 2024. I'm concerned that standing on that split door when it's closed and flat may not support me or may be more prone to damage. For that matter, do you know what the weight capacity is when laying flat for the traditional tailgate and for that pull out step? Thanks. Good review. Oh, and do you think that new dual live valve setup will make the Raptor 37 even more buttery smooth driving on the highway than it was before? Do you think it might help the 37 drive as buttery smooth on the highways as the 35? That would be something. I agree with your headlight comments. Don't like em at all. Big tough trucks with dainty little headlights. That's the impression I get. Should go back to big halogens. And did I hear you right, can we get the Powerboost hybrid and the 7.5kw set up with the Tremor in 2024, not just the Platinum? Wow, that would be nice.
That’s a good question. I don’t think it’s rated less. There is still a frame going along the bottom of the tailgate that I’m sure its triangled inside of the left and right side. There is no reason to suspect it would have a record capacity. But I honestly don’t know for sure and ford has not published any details on the tailgate weight capabilities
Gives me hope though. Thanks. But I will need to confirm, for this issue will likely determine which tailgate I get. @@KeepItDirtyOffRoad
Not a fan of the Tremor lights, but everything is preference. But A powerboats Raptor with 24MPG combined would be cool.
Right!! More power and better MPGs would be amazing. And the extra battery power comes in useful for camping.
i agree with the lights being off on the raptor..100%
They changed them up a bit to make it look better but somehow made it worse in my mind.
I have to agree with you that the new Raptor lights make it look fugly! Disappointed…Ford got the looks so right on the gen 2…what happened!?😢
I know right!! That Gen2 look was soo good.
Tom liu needs to go
I absolutely agree with you on the 3.5 with the powerboost battery on the Raptor I am hopping for it in Gen 4
Me too. I just don’t understand why they haven’t done it yet. They said they are trying to sell more hybrids. Yet their 2 offroad versions of the truck can’t get a hybrid version.
the raptors front looked cool to me, the lights and grill and hood.
almost like it was a halo theme truck. halo the video game
To each his own. I know some will like it. To me she lost something and looks weird.
@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad the thumb nail of this video is what that color and front reminded me of th-cam.com/video/B_qgXb-4YlU/w-d-xo.html&pp=ygUYaGFsbyBtYXN0ZXIgY2hpZWYgaGVsbWV0
The new Graphics on the Raptor R makes me think that Team Rocket from Pokemon drives a Raptor R and they didn't even need to put their logo on the bedsides :-D. I'm a big fan of the graphics delete.
🤣🤣. Me too. New graphics are awful.
What do you think about front torsen differential missing from Raptor?
IMO it’s a huge disappointment to see it gone. It was removed to clear the v8 and Ford took it completely off the whole platform and replaced is with ABS / traction control programming. It really sucks. Won’t affect t high speed off-roading, but on the slow stuff when you need to crawl over something it’s going to suck waiting for the ABS system to catch up or it cuts power
Weird they fit a coyote in the tremor and kept the torsion.
I have a hard time getting excited or my excitement quickly dwindles due to the price gouging and terrible loan rates.
Agree. How can anyone afford a $1500-2000 car payment. That’s a freaking mortgage. And prices are only getting higher with the UAW strike, manufacturers that keeps raising prices, and greedy dealers adding markups on everything.
Also, I love how aggressive the new Tremor looks. Honestly looks at least as good as the Raptor.
The Tremor looks awesome with the refresh.
I think the tremor looks better than the raptor.
Did I hear you right, will the 2024 or if not then the 2025 Tremor be available with the hybrid Powerboost? You seemed to say or suggest it would be available with all but the Raptor.
No. When we filmed the video you could spec out a hybrid tremor. Turns out it was a bug in the builder. But it would be nice to have a hybrid powertrain on the tremor and the raptor. Not sure Ford will ever do it though.
Great video man
Thanks
I love the 37 Gen3 and enjoy every bit of it, didn’t care much for the Gen2
To each his own man. What did you not like on the gen2? That you love on the Gen3?
@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad What I didn’t like was of course the exhaust and the interior quality of all the materials , I have the Ricardo seats and that whole package which makes a difference too…I do still like the look of the Gen 1 and the Gen 2 but I prefer the Gen 3(drives so good and love the exhaust tone)
Ricaro seats
Yeah everyone hated the v6 note. Glad they updated for the gen3 and made it sound more like a GTR.
I had the Recaros on my 20 gen2 and while I loved less sliding, they are so cheaply made. The clips on mine failed within the first year and we got a good look at how cheapest they are made.
I do like the interior cabin tech in the gen3, but I hate the material look. It looks like a ton more cheap plastic IMO. And too much shinny silver accents for my taste. The Gen2 carbon inserts also looked better to me.
@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad I do like the interior very much so and hopefully it will hold up long term, only time will tell
Gen 3 looks the best and I agree with all that you had mentioned! Great video man!
Thanks 🙏
This new grill is not my thing. Same with the headlights. Keeping the current Gen fresh is one thing, but too much face lifting is not good either. Like the dual live valve shocks. Looking forward to seeing a review on this channel. By the way, great review. Like the new garage talk setup!!!
Thanks man. Trying out something new with the backgrounds. Hope we get a chance to drive the dual live valve trucks when they come out. There is a lot of potential in that setup.
I like the lights to the Raptor the only thing I don’t like is that the lights you like remind me of the Chevy truck lights where there split , lights on top and bottom
I hated those lights too. But there is something about the tremor with the amber planks that just look good to me.
Raptor looks too amazing then tremor!!
I love your videos man. I know you’re a full-size raptor guy but I tried to go through your videos to see what you think about the ranger raptor?
A few have asked so I think that’s a video I need to make now
The raptor is cool but I hate the headlights and bumper
Yeah. New capabilities are great with dual live valve. But man is the styling weird.
Got my 37 green on the way🎄
The new update looks have kinda grown on me but could be better. On colors they should have done a true cement gray as well race red and a desert tan !
The screen is too big, im driving a vehicle not a computer. The only thing I envy is the five point suspension, this shit is lit
Suspension with dual live valves is pretty impressive .
Hopefully my Avalanche R will be here early in 2024. 🙏🏻
Fingers crossed man. Read a report that the truck company that transports all the vehicles for ford went on strike as well. I hope it was only at the effected plants.
AMB is the best damn color!
I personally love the look of the gen 3 Raptor lol what are you thoughts on the Ranger Raptor? You gonna do a video on it?
That’s next. I wanted to focus on the f150 since that’s trending.
Split tailgate vs giant ford logo tailgate, they kept the ford logo for the raptor. They don’t offer that silver platinum tailgate anymore which I wish they kept
I’m sure they could keep the logo and maintain the split tailgate somehow. I think it more has to do with issues with off-roading
Gen 2 is by far the most aggressive looking, side by side its easy to see. Gen 2 doesn't have that god awful gear stick thats shaped like a childs driving simulator or something Xbox would put out. Oh and those gen 3 wing mirrors shape is inexcusable.
Ford made a lot of odd decisions with the gen3 styling. I get that they wanted the truck to look bigger. But it’s just odd. For my money I wish the shifter was on the column. Could use that extra space for more switches or a built in radio.
I am confused. At the end you mention that the Tremor has the Hybrid Engine with a big battery but the Raptor doesn't. For me it looks like it's the other way around. The Raptor V6 Eco boost has the 2KW Generator on board. I can't find that for the Tremor? The "full Hybrid" seems to be not available for Tremor and Raptor. I personally think thats a bummer and a must have
Yeah, I agree. When we shot the video, the configuration tool allowed you to spec a tremor with the 3.5 hybrid powertrain and the big battery. Ford for what ever reason, Ford changed it. Don’t know why. Maybe it was an error in the configurator. But it’s a shame
@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad I totally agree. Tremor and Raptor should have a big battery for mentioned reasons (e.g. road camping). I will probably wait then a bit more and hope for the bigger battery to come (back).
I hope Ford eventually offers the hybrid powertrain with the big pack in the Raptor. That would be an impressive rig IMO. I would buy that over the R anyday.
@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad 100% same here.
I got a 2023. I was not thrilled with some of the changes to the Raptor
I've said a thousand times that the Gen 2 Raptor is so much better looking.
Yes it is.
GEN 2 👍🔥
Unfortunately, none of this matters, as they all are too expensive now. Good video though, with a cool backdrop!
Thanks man and I agree. The prices are nuts. The tremor fully decked out is $77k platinum can cost as much as a raptor. Who can afford these trucks?
Gen 1 are the best looking one.
🤣🤣 yes they are!!
I finally got an explanation why folks get a custom shaved down front bumper on their raptor lol.
🤣🤣 really?
Yeah man, my gen2 would always scrape the front hooks on the trails on washes or during a jump. That front suspension is a little low and the bumper hands down to much. Frame cut is the way to go for serious high speed off-roading.
I think it sucks that you now have to pay a monthly subscription to use the 360 camera system. The monthly truck payment is high enough, and now you have additional subscriptions, thats just wrong.
That’s actually changed. As I was editing this video, the drive released an article that Ford messed up on the messaging. 360 cameras already installed are not subscription based. If your truck has them they will work
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Sucks no access tailgate on the raptor. And they totally should have the original step and the access tailgate. See no reason why that couldn’t be an option. But I’ll gladly keep my old man step over that tailgate lol
I love my old man step. Specially over the options from Chevy and Ram. I think they are still figuring out the split tailgate. You could see it in the demos. It would not open easily and got stuck sometimes. Hopefully they update it for the next refresh and improve it
Anybody out there buy a gen. 2 Raptor that the glove box latch was broken on delivery? Both of mine had the same problem, and not only they couldn’t fix it, they continued to produce the defect for 4 years on an 80K Truck!
I had 2 and did not have this issue. Would it no close or what was going on?
@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad one side of the glove box wouldn’t latch, the side closest to the driver. Had this issue in a 2018, and I caught them delivering me the 2020, same issue upon picking up the vehicle, so they said we will look at it, but it only closed right once! 🤣
That’s a weird defect for sure. I never saw it on my 2. And I took my interiors apart a few times too
@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad would you be willing to admit that it’s flimsy, at best? This is supposedly a top of the line truck, that was purchased to be abused a little bit, it’s not Toyota! 🤣
Toyota materials and interior build quality is a weird comparison. Specially with how cheap they have gotten the last few years.
Mine was full of stuff too so it’s not like I had it empty and never had a problem. Not heard of others having issue either. Your issue is odd too because it’s a center latch. At least it was on my 17 and 20. Well center latch with tabs on both sides. Mine always clipped in without fail. Did you have anything heavy inside of the glove box?
I've said that for some years now, why don't they do the hybridin the Raptor!
🤣 same man. Not sure why Ford has not done it yet. I’m sure when the v8 is finally retired, we will finally see it
Id bet the radar sensor is still jn the bumper just right above the tow hook benhind that plastic cover
Man I hope not. If you look at the winch add in, it slips into the frame and bolts I’m inside somewhere and there did not look like there was a spot for the sensor on the winch. I so hope it’s somewhere in the grill somewhere.
@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad maybe it's behind one of the ford letters
That would be awesome if it is.
I love the Gen 2 looks wise. The overall appearance is more aggressive. But the headlights and amber markers on the gen 3.1 is much nicer. Wish I would fit them on my gen 2. This gen 3.2 head lights and tails are disgusting not sure of the direction Ford’s taking this. 😮
Yeah, the new lights is an odd choice that just does not look right. Some are saying it looks better in person. But they said the same of the gen3 when it first came out.
@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad I guess if they’re taking styling ques from the gen 1 for this new GEN three, hopefully on the GEN 4, they will take styling cues from the gen 2 and improve upon that. I have nothing but time. I also second what you said why is there not a hybrid power boost option for the raptor? This is a huge mis imo.
Yeah man. If they could bump the HP to at least 500hp and maybe get torque to 550-600 it would better than the R. Specially if the battery pack is closer to the back. More balance and better MPGs and tons of power for camping.
I couldn't agree more about the Raptor front end lights!
Thanks. Some people like them. But it think they like it because it’s the new thing. Overall to me, they look out of place with the overall design of the truck.
I don't think you can spec the Tremor with the Hybrid, unfortunately. 5.0 or 3.5 twin turbo. Too bad. I have a 2023 Tremor and love it. Not a fan of the new grill and lights on the 2024, but thank god they got rid of the orange recover hooks. I changed mine out to black. Just my opinion.
Check the configuration. 5.0 is the base engine for the tremor and power boost is optional extra. Elevated the price but would be perfect for a overland rig
I double checked the configuration. I agree, Powerboost would be a great option, and wish it was available on standard Raptor also, but I don't see that available, only 5.0 or 3.5 ecoboost, no Powerboost option. Am I missing something?@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad
Damn, Ford changed the configuration again. As of the filming of the video I was able to select powerboost with the 7.2kw pro power option. Today it’s only ecoboost and 2kw pro power. I should have filmed the configuration.
It's too bad that option is not available. Maybe they will change their minds at some point. Appreciate the content. Keep up the great work. @@KeepItDirtyOffRoad
This is a 1st Raptor I have not been a fun of.
I have a gen2 and the new tremor is reeeeeealy calling my name. May trade it in and get a long travel kit so it keeps up 🤣
That new styling works!! I also dig the interior color too for the tremor.
Gen 2 Raptor is the best looking Raptor.
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All we really wanna know, how much horse power does it have, and how much does it cost. These days every truck has these features, the only thing that will actually will attract buyers, is they won’t be embarrassed spending 90K on a V6, and getting your ass kicked on the highway by a TRX. No one’s gonna see you go off road. I’m really harsh on Ford, because they just don’t listen, and that’s a mistake, because people have options, I don’t believe their bullshit anymore!
Price is live man. And the HP bump will be minimal so it won’t matter honestly.
As for the rest, people that buy ecoboost raptors don’t buy them to “race” on pavement. They buy them to offroad. And offroad lighter is better. And the v6 outperforms the TRX offroad. I have videos of it on this channel showing how the TRX is barely on par with the gen2 raptor with the leaf sprung back end. The new Gen3 with dual live valves has the potential to really be something else offroad. And guys taking these offroad don’t care if they are seen or not. It’s not about the flash.
@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad the people that bought the original Gen. 1 Raptors, particularly bought the truck because it had more horsepower, and better sound than any other truck on the market. That being said, what solace doe those original fans have now, a dumbed Dow version of it, for twice as much money. The original team that worked on the first Raptors, has long since dis banded, and replaced by a bunch of corporate butt holes, that know nothing! The prices are also insane! I’m not not spending 90K on a truck so I can jump over a mud hole, I’m gonna use it as a daily, and I want it to impress me daily, with a V8, just like the good old days!
🤣🤣 look man. It’s obvious your clueless here on what Raptors can do. I own a Gen1 and invested heavily into for as you say “jumping mud holes” 🤣🤣. Easily a $100k truck at this point. And the guys that spend money for proper prerunners are spending $150-500k to have those trucks builds.
Every generations has been an improvement in performance offroad from the previous one. gen1 is great and still my choice for a rig to upgrade. But it was far from perfect. Frames were bending and the V8 was the epitome of a lazy v8 barely making 400hp.
Gen2 had more power, was lighter, and improved on strength and performance. Stock for stock Gen2s way outperform the Gen1. Now the Gen 3 is an ugly truck for sure, but it’s making mid travel suspension numbers from a stock truck. It’s keeping up with mid travel trucks and in terms of performance it’s better than any v8 trucks offroad. Including the R.
Now the cost is high on these trucks for sure. Ford prices are ridiculous, but some people that buy raptors, buy them to offroad them. Because they know the truck can take it.
The V8 argument has too many holes in it because the main benefit is noise and that’s it. The v6 is making more power and it’s faster and better balanced than the 6.2. Gen1 is nose heavy and harder to control offroad than the gen2 or Gen3s. AND These trucks are not made for street racing. Who in their right mind puts heavy ass 35s and 37s to race. You need a street truck for that and the Raptor is definitely not for you.
@@KeepItDirtyOffRoadeveryone’s entitled to spend their money as they please, I bought my first Raptor because it was a good drag racer, and could easily get around in the winter, I could enjoy it all year long as a daily, that was fun to drive. I just didn’t like the V6 as much, as I bought a 2018, then decided to buy a 2020, witch was even worse, as they seemed to detune the transmission and the truck was apparently slower, horsepower is only as good as the set up, so being I bought a 90K truck, that wasn’t thrilling me, I went to the Ram for the same money, imagine that, 250 more horsepower for the same money! I realize now, both trucks have gone up in price since then by a lot, and particularly the Raptor R is unattainable for just about anyone, Ford is out touch with the average off roader, they are mostly common people, working class guys, who are not gonna spend a small fortune so they can go off road, some do, but very few. They promised to answer the call with the Raptor R, and that’s a joke due to availability, and the insane price point, out of touch indeed! 🤣
Your math is off man. gen2, even the 2020 topped out in the 70s low 80s. I had a 17 and a 20 both fully loaded and never paid that much for them. I agree with you that the 19-20s were pos. I have a whole video series on all the issues my 2020 had.
But even with the price increase for the 2023, it was still an $80k truck fully loaded, 67k for the cheap trim. A TRX started in the mid 70s and fully loaded was 90s to 100k before markups. So you were still paying a premium for it and despite the extra power, offroad it was only as good as a Gen2.
But I digress, the real argument here is 10 years ago a Gen1 raptor topped out in the high 50s low 60s. Today they top out I’m the $110l range. DOUBLE, and we definitely don’t have double the truck. Building a gen1 for the same amount gives you a better truck that’s way more reliable than any new truck including the Gen3 and the TRX.
Ford always cuts corners and adds annoying cheap plastics. In some markets however, the Chinese are loading so many features on base models
Yeah. But all manufacturers are doing it these days. The amount of cheap plastic in Toyotas is ridiculous. Their engines last forever, but their new interiors don’t.
I like hybrid .
I think the Tremor lights look horrible lol.
Terrible
The Head up display is good just like level 2 TRX but the lights are just ugly.
Agreed. Those lights kill the overall look of the truck.
Those taillights are odd I agree… hmm
Totally odd. They just don’t flow with any lines of the truck. Previous year lights were much better
Do we have verified incidents of drivers abusing these things so hard that they're crackin sunroofs!?!?!? Jeezus I had no idea there were that many people with $$$$, and I offroad the hell outta mine (with sunroof). Guess I'm not as maximum extreme abusive destroy everything as I thought...
Yep a couple actually. I know one that converted the truck back to no sunroof at great expense after cracking it.
There is a lot of flex in the frame. So if you push it those with the twin panel roof will crack,
Mine had been off the ground completely as well as the top of 12,000 foot mountain trails. Maybe I'm too easy on it lol.
Jumps won’t do it. Flexing will. Out here in so called we are hitting uneven trails and washes at speed. It’s massive impacts and flexing at 45-65 mph on rough trails. You do that enough and it will eventually crack.
If you take is easy, you will be fine. Ford is built tough. It’s mainly for those that push the limits of the truck
I’m I the only one that has automatic tailgate with no sunroof 😅 I got lucky
You might be. But I think ford finally separated the 2 features
Complaining about the cost of filling up a bigger tank of gas is the most smooth brained thing ever lol
🤣🤣 you must be rich then. Because every Raptor guy I know complains about high gas prices here in so cal. $200 to fill up. That’s not cheap. And if you think otherwise you’re the smooth brain idiot.
You can’t get the Tremor with power boost
We know. Read some of the first comments on this video. When the configuration first launched there was a bug in it where it allowed you to configure it as a hybrid. Ford corrected a week later
Nobody likes the Tremor lights … brutha.
Read the comments. You’re in the minority 🤷♂️
The front end is lazy. Ford doesn't want to spend anytime to put contour shapes in their trucks anymore. Lazy and give us more money!
Yep. Easier manufacturing over style.
Tremor looks horrible up front especially in white.
To each his own 🤷♂️. And that’s not white. That’s avalanche grey.
@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad Do you know if the torsion front diff is back in 2024 for Raptor?
No, it’s gone. Ford removed it in 2023 and replaced it with traction control programming. Huge mistake if you ask me.
Totally agree, I am guessing they couldnt hold the front diff together with all the power of the R so they just removed it across entire line up. No way traction control is as good as the torsion diff.@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad
It was actually a matter of space. The 8.8 diff is plenty strong. It’s in the back of all mustangs handling 400hp+. It was removed to make space for the big v8. The torsion diff is slightly bigger and would not clear the engine. So as a cost cutting measure, it was removed from the whole platform. For high speed off-roading, it won’t make a difference. But when you need to crawl the truck over a rock or something it’s going to have problems. I guess they figured raptor guys don’t do much of that.
I personally think the tremor looks like ass. Its my least favorite truck from Ford.
To each his own. I dig its styling way more than the raptors
Gen 1 is the ugliest
To each his own 🤷♂️.
To me it’s an amazing truck. They got so much right in the Gen1 when it first came out and there is nothing like the OG.
Regardless of the size of the tank...your still fillin' a tank wether its today or 3 days from now..
For off-roading it matters. Those extra 10 gallons is the difference of 150 miles offroad or 250 miles between stops.
It really depends on what your doing and in any situation those 10 gallons come in handy
Great summary. I placed an order for the refreshed 2024 Raptor at MSRP after a grueling search. I really like the refresh including the new front end design. Q. Does the heads up display come standard on a V6 Raptor?
That’s a good question. I did not see it as an added options so it’s may be standard now with the Raptor. But after a quick search on the site and in the configuration tool, I could not find a clear answer
Have they started production on yours? Got a order for a 37 package as well no word yet
I currently own a 2019 raptor supercrew, 2019 mustang 5.0, and 2021 jeep Trackhawk.
I hate Ford with a passion. Why are they still making the weak ass v6 raptor? Shit is slow. They should just make more raptor Rs so that these markups wouldn’t be so bad. I feel bad for anyone paying markup for a v6 raptor
Everyone going to TYV6 man. Toyota just did, Ram is next. And soon so will GM. The days of the big V8s are numbered man. New emission standards are killing them and manufacturers are getting penalized for making v8s. So there is no incentive for them to keep making them
@@KeepItDirtyOffRoadI get that. The v6 Raptor is simply too weak when you compare them for the TRX and raptor r. Raptor is supposed to be a speciality truck. Ford should have never gone with a v6 in the first place.
Ford was ahead of the curve with the V6. And it saved them a ton of money in the long run so I get it. I liked my Gen2 with the v6. The only time I felt I did not have enough power was over 75mph. Offroad it was just right and more than the suspension could handle anyways. The supercharged v8 is definitely more than the stock suspension can handle.
I have the gen1 now with the V8 and supercharged. No where near what the R and TRX are doing but it does feel sluggish and lazy until you get in the top end. But I love the sound it makes and wish I could get an R. But markups are crazy and all the extra electronics would be problematic.
@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad my ecoboost raptor is shit slow. I’m used to big power v8s. It also sounds like shit. Ford should have put a supercharged v8 from the start. The only reason they even did put the supercharged v8!is because of Dodge. If it wasn’t for the Dodge, lame ass Ford would have never released the Raptor R.
Lowest markup I could get in Cali is 30k. These markups are too crazy.
@@joemomma707 We will be lucky if there even is anything that has a V8 in 10 years. The writing is on the wall large displacement engines are going bye bye.