As a NYS and NYC resident most of my life I can tell you that the City has gone downhill for so many reasons that I no longer want to go there any more. My state and NYC may have gone past the point of no return thanks to 50 years of terrible political leadership.
Sounds good, stay home and leave us alone here ☮ - signed, the people who still love being here in NYC and haven't fallen for the "NYC is over!!" doomerism
@@RocketmanRockyMatrix In aggregate NYC has been doing just fine compared to any time in the past or any other area of the country. And since this is just a proxy battle for Democrats vs Republicans let's compare states. Life expectancy is a full two years longer in blue states. And life expectancy has been falling in the red states for about ten years, while it has stayed level in the blue states. Life expectancy in California, Hawaii and New York is 80-81 years old, while in Mississippi, West Virginia, Louisiana and Alabama it's 72-73. Right wing media cherry picks or just fabricates any apparent bad thing they can find in California and New York. But the reality is they have overall much wealthier and more prosperous populations.
@@jaybee946 California and New York have the highest homeless population. And life expectancy is declining every year. Don't kid yourself. Leftwing media also cherrypicks their talking points too.
As a New Yorker, I have to say that I am fuming that these well-off commuters who are making an average of *$180,000.00 a year* and yet don't want to cough up $15 are the ones who wound up sinking the plan.
Other places have put in disincentives for using cars in cities. I cannot speak with long-time knowledge, but I have been to places that have limited car access, and I LOVE those places.
Doesn't add up. If you cared about the economy of Manhattan, you'd charge one rich car driver, and use the money to subsidize the ticket price for 5 subway users
In London, it did not work. The traffic went down a bit, but it came back so it’s garbage congestion. Pricing does not work. It’s literally a money grab and we’re not rich. Whoever rich people gets to drive only all of us are rich.
MTA is private/public - where are the private companies that have profited. Why is it that whenever it breaks - it’s the public that pays while the private just profits. Verrazano bridge, the highways, the MTA. . . Just corruption
I live in San Francisco. I really don’t understand your distinction that congestion pricing does not exist in the US. We have tolls to come into the city that rise and fall during peak times. We have higher UBER fairs during peak times. We have carpool lanes that are active during peak times. We have toll lanes that cost you more based on the times you use them. Is that not congestion pricing? These measures have helped traffic in San Francisco but also along the Bay Area freeways.
You point to costs of various kinds. A private company, Uber, imposes peak fares. This is not a tax. The other examples you cite, bridge tolls, priced lanes are examples of road pricing--a kind of facility use tax. A tax, but not the same thing as a congestion tax. A congestion charge or toll is based on a designated physical area. London, for example, has a true congestion charge. The pricing is not based on use of the roads, but taking a vehicle into a specific space--yes, typically by use of roads. The capacity to place monitoring on entry points, which happen to be roads, use similar technology to road pricing, but what is being taxed is not the same.
And did you ever think the tax would go down? It will go up more because of the deliveries the trucks, the goods, the food everything that you buy will go up because trucks will get told every time they come in.
Ok, now that I have listened to this podcast, I am very disappointed by the quality of the arguments for but especially against congestion pricing. This is an interesting and important story, yet this podcast has represented this story quite poorly.
Ok, so I haven't fully listened to this yet, but I certainly will. Does everyone listening realize that when London implemented this system, that in a few years, the traffic was back and then increased passed what it was, before congestion pricing?? Maybe more importantly, until 1954, NYC did NOT allow overnight parking on public streets. Can NYers imagine our streets without warehousing private cars?? Who in his/her right mind would drive 1 or 2 hours into Manhattan if they didnt have to?? Why are cars drivers supplementing public transportation? Why doesn't public transit pay for itself?? Who do you think pays for the additional cost of deliveries into Manhattan?? And now, the most frustrating question, why is a 60 year old wallpaper hanger, without completing higher education, is asking better questions than the NYT journalist answered in this scripted interview???
@@RobertSmithson-d9u Sorry. I don't. I did hear that information from a another podcast a couple of years ago. You are right, sources are important and I will look for the source later today.
> And now, the most frustrating question, why is a 60 year old wallpaper hanger, without completing higher education, is asking better questions than the NYT journalist answered in this scripted interview? That's a bold assumption there Mr. Dunning-Kruger.
@@bernardzsikla5640 No worries. From my experience the amount of cabs went up, especially after Uber/Bolt/etc came into existence, but everything else went down, and the buses are now significantly more reliable as a result - you can get on a bus in one area and plan to switch onto a specific other bus half an hour away with a couple of minutes to spare and it works 19 times out of 20. Even when it doesn't, you rarely have to wait more than 5-6 mins for another one (at least on the main routes into central London). Prior to that waiting half an hour or more and then having three turn up at once was incredibly common (hence the expression).
@@MikeBoaz MY point is, the podcast was far short of a complete discussion of congestion pricing and I am atleast attempting to be balanced where the journalist was not. If a simpleton can ask better questions than the journalist maybe the journalist needs to do a better job. Remember, for the Dunn and Kruger effect to be valid, I would need to establish competency and/or solutions, I did neither. 😉 So Mr. Boaz, do you believe this podcast was objective and impartial? Don't worry, I won't pull out the Dunn-Kruger card. 😉
Nothing exists in NYC that requires preservation. Want to fix the traffic problem? Stop going there. What does, the "core business district" in NYC produce? Nothing. Not a damned thing.
New York State is 55,000 square miles and the Central Business District is around 10 square miles. Yet, in 2022, nearly one third of New York State's nominal GDP was generated JUST in that little CBD. Source: look up "New York's Congestion Pricing Economy" by Paul H Tice in the WSJ. That stat is even crazier when you consider that 2022 was still a pandemic recovery year (meaning that lots and lots of offices in midtown and downtown were vacant. I don't have stats on hand for 2019 or earlier, but I'd hazard a guess that pre-pandemic in-person activity in the Central Business District was even more massive. But sure, it doesn't produce anything lol. Other than a behemoth of arts, culture, fine dining, innovative restaurateuring, the financial hub of the USA, millions of jobs, broadway, a ridiculous amount of retail, at least a dozen universities, I could go on and on. Unless you literally mean "produce" as in farmland or livestock, I promise you that the NYC CBD produces it.
As a NYS and NYC resident most of my life I can tell you that the City has gone downhill for so many reasons that I no longer want to go there any more. My state and NYC may have gone past the point of no return thanks to 50 years of terrible political leadership.
Sounds good, stay home and leave us alone here ☮
- signed, the people who still love being here in NYC and haven't fallen for the "NYC is over!!" doomerism
@@SparklesBB Of course not. You are in denial.
Stop complaining vote talk to people be the change! I love NYC and want to make it better!! I say vote everyone out start fresh
@@RocketmanRockyMatrix In aggregate NYC has been doing just fine compared to any time in the past or any other area of the country.
And since this is just a proxy battle for Democrats vs Republicans let's compare states. Life expectancy is a full two years longer in blue states. And life expectancy has been falling in the red states for about ten years, while it has stayed level in the blue states. Life expectancy in California, Hawaii and New York is 80-81 years old, while in Mississippi, West Virginia, Louisiana and Alabama it's 72-73.
Right wing media cherry picks or just fabricates any apparent bad thing they can find in California and New York. But the reality is they have overall much wealthier and more prosperous populations.
@@jaybee946 California and New York have the highest homeless population. And life expectancy is declining every year. Don't kid yourself. Leftwing media also cherrypicks their talking points too.
As a New Yorker, I have to say that I am fuming that these well-off commuters who are making an average of *$180,000.00 a year* and yet don't want to cough up $15 are the ones who wound up sinking the plan.
Other places have put in disincentives for using cars in cities. I cannot speak with long-time knowledge, but I have been to places that have limited car access, and I LOVE those places.
It shocks me that anyone drives in downtown Manhatten more than once. After sitting in traffic for an hour, here do you park?!
That's when you spend another hour looking for parking, of course :)
Doesn't add up. If you cared about the economy of Manhattan, you'd charge one rich car driver, and use the money to subsidize the ticket price for 5 subway users
In London, it did not work. The traffic went down a bit, but it came back so it’s garbage congestion. Pricing does not work. It’s literally a money grab and we’re not rich. Whoever rich people gets to drive only all of us are rich.
MTA is private/public - where are the private companies that have profited.
Why is it that whenever it breaks - it’s the public that pays while the private just profits.
Verrazano bridge, the highways, the MTA. . . Just corruption
I live in San Francisco. I really don’t understand your distinction that congestion pricing does not exist in the US. We have tolls to come into the city that rise and fall during peak times. We have higher UBER fairs during peak times. We have carpool lanes that are active during peak times. We have toll lanes that cost you more based on the times you use them. Is that not congestion pricing? These measures have helped traffic in San Francisco but also along the Bay Area freeways.
Nobody wants congestion pricing. San Francisco has mismanaged Tax dollars too many times.
You point to costs of various kinds. A private company, Uber, imposes peak fares. This is not a tax. The other examples you cite, bridge tolls, priced lanes are examples of road pricing--a kind of facility use tax. A tax, but not the same thing as a congestion tax. A congestion charge or toll is based on a designated physical area. London, for example, has a true congestion charge. The pricing is not based on use of the roads, but taking a vehicle into a specific space--yes, typically by use of roads. The capacity to place monitoring on entry points, which happen to be roads, use similar technology to road pricing, but what is being taxed is not the same.
No congestion pricing. It failed in the UK.
And did you ever think the tax would go down? It will go up more because of the deliveries the trucks, the goods, the food everything that you buy will go up because trucks will get told every time they come in.
Ok, now that I have listened to this podcast, I am very disappointed by the quality of the arguments for but especially against congestion pricing.
This is an interesting and important story, yet this podcast has represented this story quite poorly.
It favors the rich, who can afford to live and walk in NYC.
Ok, so I haven't fully listened to this yet, but I certainly will.
Does everyone listening realize that when London implemented this system, that in a few years, the traffic was back and then increased passed what it was, before congestion pricing??
Maybe more importantly, until 1954, NYC did NOT allow overnight parking on public streets. Can NYers imagine our streets without warehousing private cars??
Who in his/her right mind would drive 1 or 2 hours into Manhattan if they didnt have to??
Why are cars drivers supplementing public transportation? Why doesn't public transit pay for itself??
Who do you think pays for the additional cost of deliveries into Manhattan??
And now, the most frustrating question, why is a 60 year old wallpaper hanger, without completing higher education, is asking better questions than the NYT journalist answered in this scripted interview???
That is absolutely not my experience of the London Congestion Charge - do you have a source for traffic having gone up from before?
@@RobertSmithson-d9u Sorry. I don't. I did hear that information from a another podcast a couple of years ago. You are right, sources are important and I will look for the source later today.
> And now, the most frustrating question, why is a 60 year old wallpaper hanger, without completing higher education, is asking better questions than the NYT journalist answered in this scripted interview?
That's a bold assumption there Mr. Dunning-Kruger.
@@bernardzsikla5640 No worries. From my experience the amount of cabs went up, especially after Uber/Bolt/etc came into existence, but everything else went down, and the buses are now significantly more reliable as a result - you can get on a bus in one area and plan to switch onto a specific other bus half an hour away with a couple of minutes to spare and it works 19 times out of 20. Even when it doesn't, you rarely have to wait more than 5-6 mins for another one (at least on the main routes into central London). Prior to that waiting half an hour or more and then having three turn up at once was incredibly common (hence the expression).
@@MikeBoaz MY point is, the podcast was far short of a complete discussion of congestion pricing and I am atleast attempting to be balanced where the journalist was not. If a simpleton can ask better questions than the journalist maybe the journalist needs to do a better job. Remember, for the Dunn and Kruger effect to be valid, I would need to establish competency and/or solutions, I did neither. 😉
So Mr. Boaz, do you believe this podcast was objective and impartial? Don't worry, I won't pull out the Dunn-Kruger card. 😉
Follow the money.
No congestion pricing bums.
Where podcasts fail. Just make a video with your dsm cell phone.
Nothing exists in NYC that requires preservation. Want to fix the traffic problem? Stop going there. What does, the "core business district" in NYC produce? Nothing. Not a damned thing.
New York State is 55,000 square miles and the Central Business District is around 10 square miles. Yet, in 2022, nearly one third of New York State's nominal GDP was generated JUST in that little CBD. Source: look up "New York's Congestion Pricing Economy" by Paul H Tice in the WSJ.
That stat is even crazier when you consider that 2022 was still a pandemic recovery year (meaning that lots and lots of offices in midtown and downtown were vacant. I don't have stats on hand for 2019 or earlier, but I'd hazard a guess that pre-pandemic in-person activity in the Central Business District was even more massive.
But sure, it doesn't produce anything lol. Other than a behemoth of arts, culture, fine dining, innovative restaurateuring, the financial hub of the USA, millions of jobs, broadway, a ridiculous amount of retail, at least a dozen universities, I could go on and on. Unless you literally mean "produce" as in farmland or livestock, I promise you that the NYC CBD produces it.