Interesting how NY government says they want to reduce congestion while simultaneously fighting to get employees out of their homes and back in the office. This isn't about congestion, it's about creating another revenue stream for the city which will ultimately be grossly mismanaged, just like the rest of our taxes
the math not adding up to me MTA’s Operating Budget is projected to be $19.379 billion. 9.222 billion subsidies by the state. MTA made 22 billion last year. So, the NYC taxpayer are paying for half MTA operating budget and paying the high fare. and you wonder why people are going through the free bridges. people need to wake up
@@yaash4123but its not. Making things up in the present of Transit isn't a definition of perfection system. The problem is everything is corporate owned with the facade of being owned by the city or state. Slow times. Slow trains. High crime always near these stop routes. Nothing is on time. Nothing is clean. Everything is expensive and tourism is dying in NYC on top streets being closed to make way for walking path BUT NO ONE CAN AFFORD to go to the island to "shop". Relying on tourism is a death sentence too
I visited NYC for the first time last March for 28 days. I paid about $200 in tolls, and $550 for parking. After I got home, I got about $700 in parking tickets in the mail over a 6 month period, and a toll bill for $340. It’s a shake down of the highest degree
@@THEWOKEN2024 trust me the reason why they are doing this is BECAUSE a lot of people (mainly tourists) are NOT coming to NYC. They are desperate for money.
This will be a good idea IF AND ONLY IF they rapidly improve their public transit, but given how NY's taxes are so poorly missmanaged, I have my doubts that they'll be able to pull it off.
There is no "If". They are proven corrupt criminals. The money will evaporate in Dem controlled organizations, the faceless corrupt Dem bureaucrats who will control those exemptions will be empowered, and ultimately only the Dem friendly voting blocks will get those exemptions.
At the rate the MTA wastes money, it'll all be gone in the blink of an eye. And they'll say they're broke and need more. Always more and service is terrible.
That hydrogen pilot program is an example of the MTA wasting money. The future is electric and all MTA buses should be electric by now. There is no excuse at this point. New Yorkers, Americans in general are getting screwed. Notice so many outside hands get paid from American taxes but our quality of life is not improving. Am I the only one to see this?
An public transit prices WILL GO UP...If this is allowed. Congestion in public transit will be massive before any upgrade can be completed to accommodate to what I assume to be a rapid influx in riders . Good luck NY
@@USAads2023 But people who do Uber Lyft DoorDash Uber eats and they do DoorDash and Uber eats or any of the other ones by car is going to effect them. They are not rich you’re doing that to make money.
Yes all the poor people who have to drive their personal cars into manhatten will be tolled! And all the rich people who have to take public transit squished with all the other rich people won’t be! Richer nonresident people would be driving their cars into Manhattan…
Just to be clear here - they're charging a fee to use the roads we paid for with our current taxes. This isn't based on any environmental concerns, this is about the fact that NYC policies are driving out the very people and businesses who used to sustain NYC with their taxes and the massive deficits that causes. And as for the MTA, no one wants to use that so long as NYPD continues to do nothing about the epidemic of crime people have to deal with.
@@610kclaf do you like the solution that other countries have implemented, like say, only permitting even numbered-license plates on certain days a week or odd-numbered license plates on others? how do you solve the problem of too many cars? the American obsession to have the freedom to do whatever you want doesn't work when there's limited resources
What you say makes no sense. You're saying that it's not about the environment but rather "policies that are driving out people and businesses." So what are these "policies" and why would they intentionally drive out people/businesses? It's about reducing congestion and improving public transit which reduces pollution/greenhouse gas and improves people's health and overall quality of life. The car-centric culture that Big Oil promoted and propagandized is literally killing us.
This will fail massively until they improve reliability of the public transportation options, which, I bet, will lag behind by months if not years. As they said, London expanded bus capacity from day 1, what is NYC doing from day 1 to improve the public options?
Exactly. They need to be setting up the union schedules so that as many buses and subways and railroads can be running on day 1. Knowing how the MTA runs the railroad, I have a sneaky suspicion that they are not really going to be running anything more than they are right now. The LIRR is still operating as if it's the 1970;s. Hopefully the buses and subways can get something more than what's running these days.
I almost wrote my own reply and then saw this one. The speed at which the promised improvements will take place will end up just throttling the hard-working public without offering good timely alternatives. I hope that I will be incorrect in this projection.
I was in New York this summer but lived in NJ, folks naturally living in NJ who commute into New York for work already pay an obscene price to get into the city and now for they pay even more for every street, this is disgusting for everyone 🤢
Does NEW YORK authority know where they're going to put all the bodies including their own. This city was murdered Sept 9-11 2001 and 23 years of CPR isn't bringing the BIG APPLE back. They turned ground zero of WTC buildings into a reflection pond memorial as an insult and spit in America's face. And now WW3 Is here because of a dog abusing child sniffing pedophile In the White House as his administration funds more terrorism And you have to stare at a reflection pond you do.. 😣it hurts
Then stay in New Jersey and work in New Jersey. y'all come from other states to reap the benefits of NYC and then run back to your little states to brag about your affordable cost of living while you shxt on New York. Stay and work in your state.
What you dont like the $25 toll everday to drive over the gw bridge and thats just a car 18 wheelers are almost $80 they do 3 million cars a day!! Add that up im sure the money is not being spent correctly and thats just one bridge there are 8 bridges coming i to manhattan
Stop the cap! This plan has nothing to do with environmental control. This plan is directly in response to MTA's unprecedented loss of revenue since the COVID outbreak which led to a large number of commuters abandoning subways for driving to work and an unprecedented spike in fare evasion. MTA can now regain its profit margin by either commuters returning to the subway or toll. Be honest and admit it!
The fair evasion really bothers me because it's always white people from these gentrefied neighborhoods who can afford the fair committing the crime not saying other people don't do it to but I've seen white people do it the most...
Yeah now they're going to steal it from the drivers that don't use their product I can't understand how this is even remotely illegal. Can I start charging people to use my product that don't want it to fund it cuz I'm not making enough money!
The most frustrating thing is that the mayor of NYC can make every bus super reliable and fast today without asking anyone for permission or funding or anything, make every bus super reliable and fast. All he has to do is order the NYC DOT to install a bus lane, busway, and/or traffic filter on every single bus line, with no exception. That alone would massively increase the transit options in NYC. Again, no one is stopping him from doing this today.
As someone who has moved to the Netherlands not so long ago, I find it interesting that many densely populated areas are without debilitating car traffic, but the dutch use convenience to discourage driving, not tolls. It is often simplier, (cheaper) and faster to take a bike or public transport to an area than taking your car. Every single dutch road is free (bar two bridges) in the entire country. People don't complain about traffic reduction because the government isn't reaching in their pockets if they want to go somewhere. What baffled me was, at least where I live, most households have at least 2-3 cars that they use regularily. The dutch have about the same cars per person as NY. ps.: The added benefit of using convenience rather than money as an incentive is that (as others pointed out below), you are not "banning" low income people and giving a free pass to the rich. Poor and rich take the same, convenient route when they can.
"but the dutch use convenience to discourage driving, not tolls" yea they just remove parkings and the remaining ones cost 87k$ per year i was driving there and its miserable, constantly some bicycle is trying to get under your wheels....
@@faustinpippin9208 87k seems excessive, I had a parking space in central Amsterdam for €3500 for a year. But yeah, parking in the downtown is a mess. The Dutch response when I brought it up was "Why do these people who don't live here want to drive into my city, my street, and think they can take the [green resting place] for their cars to park? They are just passing by." Although many coworkers who preferred driving expressed just how much it sucks in the Netherlands and how exhausting it can be. But I guess, that's really the point, isn't it?
@@DesignFIaw 87k per year is from the 10$ per 1h parkings, thats how much the gov makes from parkings and it shows that they are way overpriced for what they cost to build "who don't live here want to drive into my city, my street," its funny how these people think they own the streets lol they dont even own their apartments "But I guess, that's really the point, isn't it?" ofc, for the urbanists' thats their entire agenda they move to a dense city with cars and then they are SHOCKED that there are people in the city who use cars, and then they will complain that suburban people have a yard and then they will proceed to destroy road infrastructure to make useless "feel good" vanity projects that destroy people lifes, just to put a "yard" infront of their apartment....
@@Luis-vx1tx i have a batter idea: i will stay away from the cities that want to force me into doing something uncomfortable, and just ride my car in comfort from A to B in places that are still normal and all the urbanists can rot in their city and never leave it, while they ride bicycle in winter while dragging their kids in a trailer behind it...
As a NYC resident, this will cause an enormous amount of crime. the amount of license plates that are already being stolen to evade bridge & tunnel tolls are ridiculous. They clearly didn't think about all of the citizens that hop the bus and train already, just to get to work and school because they can't afford it. These politicians are so comfortable, they are out of touch with normal, average society. These people are the destruction of human kind.
to implement congestion tax, the cost MUST be on the commercial or industry business receiving shipment. not the average person. MTA needs to become more reliable and to start making serious implementations for autonomous services. Before they do that, they need to figure out how to house Not only our citizens enjoying the methadone programs, but now, all of these war refugees flooding into our harbors. all of these ignorant political decisions will lead to gang violence, domestic terror & violent culture.
That Co-op City metro north station construction completely destroyed traffic flow not only in that neighborhood but along the I-95, intersections to the Hutch & Shore Rd. Exit (exit to City Island). It's truly embarrassing to have these politicians with bricks for brains.
I know someone who's dad died put there. She came out to settle his affairs and got his super old car and wants to keep the plates for nostalgia. And NY is making her either keep ins on it or give the plates back. If not they'll charge her like 150$ a month or more.
It begs the question, what was the plan to take care of these buses and subway systems when they were designing it? Why do drivers have to pay for busses and subways they don't use?
@@trafficjam. The goal is to *discourage* using cars. Mass transportation is the smartest option for most people - and getting people to do the smart thing is notoriously difficult.
@@Distress. That always cracks me up. People will drive poorly maintained, uninsured, rusted out Chevy Vega full of fast food wrappers while trying to text and drive after leaving the bar- but mass transit has to be absolutely perfect or why use it. :-)
@epbrown01 For some ppl, driving a private car is the smart & safe thing to do. Next thing they'll say is too many ppl are walking around and breathing too much air in a day. Where does it end? Driving is an option that was given to us, we shouldn't be penalized for it. Where were these geniuses when they were designing the first automobile hundreds of years ago? Nobody thought about the impact of exhaust? We shuld not have to pay for what the government overlooked and fell short.
Crazy how all the billionaires and millionaires are building megacities pricing people out of areas and raising cost of living so high that certain groups just don't have access to basic, humane living anymore
Just look at the faces of every one of these people they are just beaming with happiness at the idea of screwing over poor people. On top of that they keep talking about pollution as if we are suddenly going to stop transitioning to Green Technology and revert back to using fossil fuels for everything.
Trust me, nobody wants to live in that socialist hell hole, it's got nothing to do with your "millionaires and billionaires".... well, except that they were smart and started leaving NY and CA in droves due to their above mentioned socialist BS....so now the people who were paying the taxes are gone, so those Socialists that you voted for are coming after you to make up the difference. Wake up 😅
@@I_Ace You already are charged to drive somewhere, what do you think gas taxes are for? You also are charged for the right to own the car in the first place (ie property taxes, DMV fees).
@@123chargeit He's saying hes being charged to enter a city with his vehicle that is taking away his right to be able to drive through any city without being charged an entrance fee. Also if we are charged for all of those things like you stated then why do they need to charge anything else we already pay for so many things as it is.
Congestion zone pricing only works when you have effective, reliable public transportation. It could work in New York, but they have talked about it in Los Angeles, and thats simply not possible with the horrible public transit network here. $23 per DAY is an insane cost unless you can take the subway to anywhere, without it breaking down.
I think for LA, what you would want to do is 1. announce solid plans to build much more efficient public transit networks that would cost a lot of money, 2. announce congestion pricing that starts out negligible but will ramp up over a period of years so that it peaks after the public transit system is planned to be in good shape, then 3. take out loans against that new income, so that they can fund the expansions at a better rate than if they tried to just pay out of pocket.
@@jackiepie7423 yes, but the transition would be too harsh in LA. NYC already has a vast subway network, LA does not. A lot of people’s only choice is to drive to get to a lot of parts of the city. We have an allocation issue in LA where city officials unfortunately do not put money towards updating transit where needed, but instead towards unnecessary and irrelevant projects such as the $488 million 6th street viaduct bridge. 2 alternate routes exist a block away on either side, and I’ve only ever seen 3-10 cars on the bridge at a time, because no one uses the route. Money better spent on the metro system.
Like so many things this will ultimately hurt the middle and lower income earners. I understand their vision but with the billions of dollars they have had access to over the years with minimal investment back in, what makes this new funding any different? I think ultimately it will force people to move out of the area if they cannot get to work in a reasonable way with a reasonable amount of time and for reasonable price.
That's what they're currently doing with the 2nd avenue. What they really need to do though is find a way to reduce costs and not spend over 1 billion dollars per station.
We already have something similar in singapore for years. Only difference is that our public transport is reliable and is used by most of the population.
Singapore is just better than American megacities in general. The people also respect the land more less ghetto people and less corruption from politicians
If all of these important infrastructures have been under invested in like they’re saying, then I would think that all of the mayors throughout the years should be held accountable🤨 but instead, they’re making us pay more when they don’t even manage the money correctly to begin with🤯😡
@@BibaBoba2Dlmfaooooooooooooo Ive seen people hop right over the turnstiles in their faces and they do nothing . they aren’t there working doing their jobs they’re just waiting out that clock
I don't mind funding the MTA, but congestion pricing is essentially giving the MTA a blank check with no guarantees they'll improve service. Considering how much money the MTA wastes it would be prudent to effect a certain amount of guaranteed minimum service just so we know where our money is going.
The MTA is going to continue to waste money on consultants and contractors and then they would be back saying all 5 boroughs need congestion tax. Like that's the problem
@@jlove4eva1234 Ex-Consultant here. I consistently saved private and public organizations millions of dollars per year. Most consultants do…which is why they’re paid well.
They need to focus on faster services, on time. If the trains ran on time and were quicker and if NJ & NY just create one simple train system connecting the largest area, things would get better.
One way to help the MTA get more trains on time is to have more conductor staff, which requires more money, which requires that they raise more money from things... like congestion pricing.
There is zero reason for congestion pricing. NYC can create Green Space but chooses NOT to. For instance, why don't we close off all vehicular traffic on Broadway from the northern tip of Manhattan to the southern tip? Create a large, beautiful Green Space in the median with trees and grass and parks and flowers. Create bicycle and pedestrian lanes for healthy commuting and allow cross town vehicles every 10 blocks. This isn't about the environment and health of New Yorkers. This is a money grab.
Similar to the congestion charge zone in london, only difference is that in london you can drive around it to get somewhere whereas in NYC you would have to rely on transport
@@BrendanSullivan-ll7fz The FDR will be exempt, along with West Street. The tolls only will affect drivers entering the street grid, bypassing along the edges via either of these routes will not incur the toll.
The answer would be no. They don’t control NY nor the MTA. That’s like saying I want some of your Apple so go pick the fruit & wash it for me & I’ll take a bite. Ok?
@tuanx No, I'm recommending a mutually beneficial deal, which is common in politics. NJ and NY are adjacent to one another in the same region and same country. They are merely separated by a boundary line drawn nearly four centuries ago before the United States. Now, may I have a bite of the apple?
@@benqurayza7872that wouldn't work because both NJ and NY have different laws and different regulations this is the problem with parts of a large american city metro area being in a different state it creates a giant mess
I’m an independent contractor, I work with personal ladders majority of the time, taking transportation is not realistic for people like me in this business. This is a disgrace especially since I live in Jersey City and majority of my revenue is in Manhattan. They’re not thinking of people of me who work these types of jobs.
I am a retired NYC bus operator.....if the city would stop all the fare beating, none of this would be necessary. The MTA says they care about the fare beaters. But they don't. In the subway, you have many stations with no token booths or personnel at all. People exit through the gates and many crowds of people go through the open doors for free. Where there are token booths, people just jump the turnstile. With no repercussions. I've seen police present when people jump the turnstile and turn a blind eye. As a former bus operator, when people walk by you and ignore the fare box, we are told to tell them the fare is $2.90 and just let them go.🫣🤫 People laugh in the bus drivers faces.........the MTA WANTS fare beaters. This way they can cry poverty and get billions from the Federal Government. Paid by the same people who DO pay the fare!!🤨 And the service also is terrible. Nothing has been done about the people who harass and make everyone uncomfortable. And now smoking weed is prevalent on the subways especially. Nothing is going to change. The honest working people are getting played by the politicians and the MTA "leadership". 😂 BTW.....Our "leaders" don't care about the environment either. Just votes and money.🤭😞😩😫 0:030:03
Yea you cant do this over in Japan. Every ticket gate has multiple cameras and an officer stationed to monitor people. You also need to scan your card again to get off the subway with ANOTHER officer right there watching lol so its not worth it
@@FlightX101No you don’t understand US. We have policemen (not subway security guys) standing next to the gates with guns on them, but fare beater still jump the gates and totally ignore them. Because everyone knows police will do nothing. This kind of crime is not considered even a crime 😢
It'll have to include mass expansion and improvement of bike lanes, especially considering it takes about the same time to drive to somewhere in the city from the boroughs as it does to bike there
As a cyclist, as a former professional cyclist... You going to ride a bicycle in the New York City winter time? I seriously doubt you are. As for me I will drive one of my three Mercedes V8 twin turbos and not worry about the New York taxes because I've left for a far more advantageous taxing system in the State of Florida and close my businesses that were up north
That would serve the public better and cut pollution, but that is not how NYC works. They want MONEY that they can steal from and more union public employees that work as their reelection campaign staffs!!! Bike lanes are too cheap and effective!
Instead of suing NJ should of focused more on expanding NJT/Path to more parts of NJ with more frequent service. It really just sound like the state is salty that their reliance on highways is now an issue because NYC doesnt want their traffic.
I used to think that NJ would be affected by it, but since you pay to get in anyway, I can't imagine that they would make you pay nearly $50! If so, a state suing is good, although they are moving it along already. Other states to the west of NJ should sue with them - the whole nation.
Exactly what I said. It’s a ridiculous anti-commuter lawsuit. Make PATH/NJT as accessible as NYCT is. Make it so people don’t have to drive in this state. North Jersey could literally be competing with NYC on mass transit availability. PATH should run like a web all throughout Hudson & East Essex Counties. Bring business across the pond, so people can work in their state instead of having to commute to NYC. Improve the transit around the neighborhoods surrounding NJT stations so people can easily bus/bike/scoot/tram to a more frequent NJT. Instead of making Jersey great, they want to sue. 🙄
@@crazydopetastic NJ already gets offshoot businesses due to NYC. NJ should not be competing with NY for transportation in its state, they just need to worry about their needs. State have whole state to worry about, as well as interacting with neighbors. NY and CT are attached by land, so that makes things easier and less costly. Any NJ/NYC action always has to have a new bridge or tunnel project in mind.
@@grahammiller2483Not everyone can get a city job, there aren’t enough city jobs for every New Yorker. And non-city workers pay as much taxes as city workers so city employees shouldn’t get better treatment as citizens in that regard!
@@BuiltInBrooklynThe things we deal with on a daily basis is stressful and disgusting!! We ABSOLUTELY DESERVE some sort of incentive! How else will people get food, medical insurance and everything else the city provides if we can't get to work? Don't forget...WE GET PAID PENNIES
We had these put up in london, 60% of the ones put up have now been destroyed there was a massive uprising people did not agree with the ULEZ system. You should do the same 🤝
One important distinction is that at the Midtown and Battery (Carey) tunnels, the toll is 6.94 each way. The Hudson River crossings are 14.75 collected only in one direction.
*$17 if you don't have EZ-Pass. Battery & Midtown Tunnels are run by the MTA and not Port Authority (Lincoln & Holland Tunnel, Outerbridge, Goethals, GWB, Bayonne Bridg).
I come from New Jersey and go to Brooklyn so this is going to charge me 17 to go through the Lincoln 25 as soon as I get out of Lincoln then I go over to Brooklyn Bridge and when I come home I come over Brooklyn Bridge again I'm going to hit by another 25 it's going to cost me $60 just to go to work each day which means I'm most likely going to lose my job Thank you politicians of New York in liberals who live in a bubble! Not to mention You're going to call so much traffic on a George Washington and the Verrazano which which the likes we have never seen it's going to be backed up for miles cuz everybody just going to go around And then on the other highways it's going to be bumper to bumper. Cars police way more when they're idling in traffic FYI!
I think the key question is whether they'll increase buses exactly when they start the congestion pricing. If they plan ahead and get park and ride lots and double or triple the number of buses on the exact same day then maybe it'll work. But if they just hammer drivers with fees without giving them an acceptable alternative then hopefully people will take the hint and abandon New York. I have on occasion taken mass transit into NYC, but it's just not worth it. For a while I used to drive in, but I have long since stopped even that and just abandoned NYC entirely.
@@crazydopetasticso when theirs a 40 car backup because a bus is stopped in a 50mph 3 lane it’s not the buses fault? Ok. Only people who ride buses that don’t live in “city” cities are DUI offenders and people who can’t drive.
@@LinusScrubTipswhat 50mph lane are you talking about in NYC? 😂😂😂 And cars crash, break down and cause traffic far more often than busses do. Significantly more, it’s not even close.
"Coercion is the ordinary language of the State." ~Lord Jonathan Sumption The cities stand to make millions in profit from the average citizen, enough of this over taxing. We need less government not more.
Who is going to be able to pay an entire $23 per day in addition to the daily gas cost, monthly car payments and ever increasing insurance for the automobile? GET OUT OF NEW YORK!
I sometimes have to go to New York for work and I live 2 hours away. I exclusively avoid tolls but can never avoid the tunnel tolls to get to Manhattan. This is only going to make things worse overall. Anytime I think I can't hate New York more, it proves me wrong. Good job looking out for your citizens that are already struggling to pay rent as it is.
Facts. Even with a FULL TIME job that the pay rate is $22, I can ONLY BARELY afford a 1 bedroom in NEW JERSEY not even NYC, and each weeks check I’m left with $30-$70 after all money for bills is deducted from each check. Wild times we are living in
Exactly i lived in NJ worked in NJ that was back in 2010 before i moved to NY. I was struggling financially back then that double tax was emptying my pockets. I'm in NYC my goodness cost of living is ridiculous. People cant even afford to eat now have to worry about MTA fare and driving into the city. Heck MTA is fawking terrible they keep milking us dry. Money into MTA the trains are trash SAFETY is not a thing. Ridiculous
As a brit, the reason I don't drive when I spend time in London is because their public transport is so good down there. It's faster than driving, affordable, and reliable enough.* Tube (Metro / underground) runs every 2 minutes, the network is vast, and areas where it doesn't cover are served well by bus. It's by far the best public transport of any major city I've visited in Europe and beyond. For this to work in NYC, they need to invest heavily in public transport BEFORE putting the restrictions / charges in place. *Londeners, who have to live with it day in day out, may have a different perspective on their public transport system's 'reliability.' My views come from the angle of a visitor who spends a few weeks a year there, mostly in well served 'touristy' areas.
"My views come from the angle of a visitor who spends a few weeks a year there, mostly in well served 'touristy' areas" all we have to know about your point of view... try actually living in a place where the gov hates cars " affordable" its subsidized into oblivion by car drivers, you dont see the real cost over 50% of fuel price is taxes over there.....
@@faustinpippin9208why would I ‘want’ to live there rather than have the Peak District as my back yard? 🙈😂 Don’t be ridiculous. The whole point is that it’s subsidised by cars, that’s kind of the whole basis of the idea, to make driving less attractive and public transport the most viable option. Would I like that full time myself? I don’t know that I would, hence I included the part you’ve highlighted. Fact of the matter is, compared to other major cities, London does have a great public transport network. If you’d like to counter that argument, tell me which cities have a better network, why it’s better, and if I’ve visited that city I’ll tell you why I disagree. ;) Ultimately, the point I was making here is that for this scheme to work for NYC, they need to invest massively in transport before restricting cars, not wait for the millions to roll in then begin improvement projects.
I agree with everything you said except one very important detail. You said they need to INVEST more money BEFORE they raise the money to INVEST. Unfortunately, money doesn’t work like that. If the citizens need a public service, they need to pay for it. London’s taxes are significantly higher already, so they had the money to invest in public transit.
@@TheOfficialOriginalChadYes, here in the UK, national taxpayer funds are regularly made available to local authorities for infrastructure or service projects like this. It often involves bidding for the cash. Even projects as trivial as repairing pot holes can be funded by the national government if your city / borough bids for the cash and wins. I don’t know if the USA has any way for states / cities to bid for federal funds for projects like this, but if you do that would be one way to fund it. It’s difficult for me to suggest other ideas, as honestly I’m pretty ignorant to how things like this are financed in the states compared to the UK. But another possibility is private funding. Like I said though, I’m aware that I’m essentially clueless on how public projects such as improving public transport are funded in the USA, so maybe you’re right, maybe the only option is to collect the funds first. It seems odd to me though, that they’d try and discourage car use without ensuring the alternative infrastructure and services are up to scratch first.
My main issue with this is that the public built the roads and now the city is charging people to use the road that they themselves paid for. I can see the need to reduce congestion, they should improve public transit and make for confortable and reliable. Overall they are going about this in the wrong way.
@@RodrigoroRex there are alternatives to breathing, its just isnt as convicient and cheap like normal breathing same with cars and public transport and thats besides the point.... just because there is no alternative it doesnt mean the gov wont tax it, just like for most people public transit isnt a alternative at all
With as much crime happening in NYC subway stations I’m not sure how they want anyone to feel safe taking the train into Manhattan nowadays. This is disgusting behavior towards anyone entering NYC.
I think it would be great to see the people in charge of putting the toll in place take public transportation. If you told me that all of these executives and board leaders were coming into the city in public transportation, some people will see it as less of a scam. It is just so hard to think that this is them trying to genuinely solve a problem, and not just line their pockets with cash. Growing up in the city and seeing how unreliable and dangerous the system is makes me feel that they actually don't care about moving people faster and lessening polution.
i swear .... while the lady is right that most NJ people working in NYC won't be affected with this charge because we take public transportation already to get to NYC... she is forgetting the fact that even if I want to travel within my own state (NJ) traffic is going to be so backed up because everyone will be avoiding Manhattan. not only that .... all their effing roads after crossing the GWB blows ... those roads will now required more repairs due to the amount of traffic it will get.
This will hurt the poor and middle class that don’t live in that area and have to commute into that area to work. This in the end will cause more people to leave the area.
@@papagramps1257 This is an out of touch upper class take. I have plenty of friends and family that drive to manhattan. Taking the train is time consuming for some that have things do plus a as a person who takes the train there are junkies everywhere now and an increase in stabbings. T
@@invention64 there is plenty of parking spots by those stations for sure, a lot of people are doing that already coming in from the suburbs, no space for more, it makes sense for them financially to park it in the city and pay for the lot. No transit idea will solve it with the amount of people that work in the city. 2 u just moved the congestion to a different location, solved.
What is with this crazy idea going around that people that commute into the city by car are the downtrodden proles while the ones talking trains and buses are the rich proletariat? From the NYC IBO: "Commuters who use private motor vehicles to commute to the congestion zone," the IBO found, "are generally better off than other commuters to the area." The median annual earnings of motor vehicle users exceeded median annual earnings of other commuters by 30 percent -- $51,021 for motorists versus $39,247 for other commuters. Moreover, "Motor vehicle users were less likely to be in the lowest 10 percent of earners and more likely to be in the top 10 percent." Motor vehicle users also came from higher income households -- "The median annual household income was $97,136 for those who drove to work in the proposed congestion zone and $75,550 for other commuters to the zone."
The problem is will the money made actually go toward improving mass Transit. Or in someone's pocket. Corruption in big cities is always a possibility.
NYC regularly tried to double-dip charging me with by mail tolls. First, they send the notices out 3-4 days after the late date (postmarks prove this), send out notices for tickets i paid months ago, and on top of this all, tried to tell me I owe back payments from the late 80s. I was born in the mid 90s.
That’s another $5750/year tax targeted primarily at working class people. This is just a blip for all those luxury condo owners who pay that amount every month on maintenance fees. Make the MTA safe enough for these spoiled rich brats to feel ok with and reduce road traffic in a way that actually makes sense. Most of these people don’t even need to drive a whole car around to move their briefcase back and forth to work, but this policy is basically designed to improve their already cloistered lives and nobody else’s.
New York’s working class generals skews towards commuters from the outer boroughs coming in to Manhattan. The American Community Survey found that only 4% of outer borough residents drive a vehicle into Manhattan for work while 57% take public transit. (The remainder work outside of Manhattan). So I’m reality, a very low proportion of working class will be negatively affected while at least 57% of non-Manhattanites will see benefits to their form of commuting thanks to increased funding for public transportation. There are already several huge transit projects like the IBX in Queens/Brooklyn and new commuter rail stations being built in the Bronx.
@@cube6485 yes. Only 21% of commuters into Manhattan from outside the city use cars (p. 46). That rises to only 38% if looking at the whole city, most of which is not covered by congestion pricing (p. 46). Note that the page references "in-commuters" which are those who commute from outside NYC to jobs in NYC. The difference between NYC residents and in-commuters can be found on pp. 48-49. These findings and many other interesting ones can be found in the following document: www.nyc.gov/assets/planning/download/pdf/planning-level/housing-economy/nyc-ins-and-out-of-commuting.pdf
Whenever Kate Slevin is shown all she's saying is basically ; "We're going to take more of your money, and there's nothing you can do about it". Imagine paying another tax for the right to drive on the streets that your tax dollars have already paid for in the first place.
Stop dreaming. Your taxes don't cover the costs of the roads and all of their negative impacts. Good to see that subsidies for car drivers are being reduced.
@@zen1647 Clearly you never had to pay for your annual registration or inspections, while your income is taxed at a much higher rate in Manhattan than outside the city Philly is the same way.
@@TheRobertChannelDo you know the land value in Manhattan? Roads are also a huge waste of valuable resources and car drivers are unfairly subsidized. Insurance and inspection charges go to those costs, not the roads.
@@zen1647 The idea of a city is to have a dense vertical footprint. The idea of America is to travel freely with a car, public transit has never been at the forefront of american life . The value of land is directly related to opportunities available in that region if you can't find a job in a city the overall city is now not a desirable to be in. Roads are not a waste of resources you are just naive to the logistics that allow America to run. Every time you pay at the pump you are also paying a tax towards the towns, city, county and state. So let me know breakdown of how much money that is actually being subsidized when you haven't taken other taxes into the equation that offset your expectations.
@@naptime0143 The legacy of Robert Moses. In order for cars to work in the tri state area, you will need to build 40K style hive cities since at least half of it will be road
the 'people behaving badly' / shady characters, is as much a problem as anything but it was barely mentioned here. just because you think something is working for another city doesn't mean it'll work for your specific situation
Yes but to find a solution to that problem you need to address underlying causes. Obviously adding a ton of cops to the subways and busses isn’t making people feel safer. So cops aren’t the answer. In my opinion the answer is housing for those on the fringes of society and better mental health services. Not everyone will be saved overnight but I think improvements to those to things will drastically change the situation on public transportation.
We have the same in London. Only for some reason 90% of the cameras are damaged 🤷♂️ and it’s now costing the mayor money because they all need repairing or replacing. And even the people that receive a bill are refusing to paying them 🤷♂️
This has nothing to do with traffic and everything to do with another stream of revenue from drivers. Just like how they lowered speed limit to 25mph to get ticket revenue for those going 36+mph
Big facts. They make all these “change”and then all it does is take more money from regular everyday citizens. Just like with the speed cameras started off only in school zones which was understandable but then they made it 24/7 once they realized their making millions of dollars and then they started putting these cameras in non-school zones and seeing that people waited for the cameras to turn off to resume their normal speed.
I love how bureaucrats always call "spending" our money "investing" our money, often wastefully. You're looking at one the very people it's benefiting.
The public infrastructure in the USA shows how we view our cities. Europe, Asia, China, Japan, I could go on, have invested to make their cities places to visit, places to live, places to play, places to work, they have integrated societies that value living in their vibrant cities.
Or it's a sign that too many people live in the suburbs with poor public transportation and are commuting into Manhattan. If you live in or very close to Manhattan, then owning a car is more of a luxury than a necessity.
@@jong9379 6 grand in tolls, plus the average 6-7k in car payments people be having, 2500 in insurance, 3-4K on gas. Might as well get a damn bicycle at that point lol.
The Whitestone bridge by itself pulls in $1 million everyday. Now think about ALL of the sales tax collected from every transaction (coffee, cab ride, sneakers, lunch, phone bill, etc). NYC is expensive to run, though the city is making insane amounts of money every single HOUR. The mismanagement and corruption is wild.
Legally, absolute $0 of congestion pricing will go towards operations. Instead, the money will go towards service expansions and capital investments that will result in operational savings. Congestion pricing financing will be used to… - build out the second avenue subway - update the signaling system to modern CBTC so more trains can run and run more reliably (mentioned in the video btw) - making stations accessible and ADA compliant - new modern electric buses and upgrades to bus maintenance facilities (mentioned in the video) - other modernizations to improve NYCT (subway and buses), Metro North, and the LIRR (mentioned in the video)
The people who were interviewed don't get it. This will hurt people who live in Brooklyn, Queens, Long Island, Westchester/upstate NY and NJ. This will hurt people who don't have reliable public transportation. Many businesses will move out of NYC.
The people in the outerboros are not driving daily into Manhattan though, that's not what the numbers suggest. Business in Midtown for example rely on foot traffic, they are not relying on people driving in from Long Island lol. The hoards of tourists are coming off the subway from the airport, not from Westchester.
@@NutsAndThighs you are way off. Many people who travel into Manhattan DO come from BK, Queens, Bronx, NJ, LI and Manhattan and in turn many businesses will move out. Many businesses have and are in the process of moving out already because of rent. Lol residents already are movie.
Hochul? Of course she is, the MTA is a state agency, funding it is the responsibility of the state and the governor. This is a huge win for commuters who are the majority of people in NYC (ergo the largest voting base). If the subway sucks, people will be reminded who to blame (the governor), so finding reliable funding sources for the MTA is a big win for the state so they don't have to worry about it for a while.
It's great to reduce car dependency, but necessary to provide an alternative. I hope this money will be used EFFECTIVELY to improve the city's dumpster fire of a public transit system. Throw all the money in the world at a problem, if the people in charge are corrupt and incompetent, it won't matter. Regardless, this will undoubtedly adversely affect people of lower income, especially if the public transit system doesn't improve. And it will harm the city even further as less people are able to commute to/from it. In my heart I know this is a continued effort to milk the population as much as they can. It won't work, though. The city is crumbling, and you can't tax anyone if everyone's homeless and noone wants to live there. Public transit reform is vital to the city's future.
@@albundy06 Government has a reason to exist. Cities as dense as new york are literally strangled by car dependency. If you want to drive into new york, you can. It's very important that the option not to do so is available. In fact, even if the streets were fully clogged 24/7, it wouldn't matter as long as there was a viable alternative. The tolls are a half measure.
To be honest, if you have a car and live in the boroughs of NYC to commute to Manhattan, you are "the rich". Parking alone is a fortune, and regular people have to take public transport anyway.
Plan is to discourage you from driving. Then implement driverless cars under Uber/Lyft. Fast forward when lockdowns come about they can shut down transportation and you’ll be forced to stay-put because you have no other option.
“Billions of dollars invested into the MTA”, great…knowing the MTA, they’ll spend it all to build one new bathroom in the subway, and it will take 25 years to build….
@@CakeLorde tax money is public money and should be used for public transportation. Cars are private property and shouldn't be subsidized. You want to travel private, pay accordingly.
Don't understand why New York doesn't implement protected bike-lanes🚲, -each way-, on every street like Amsterdam and Copenhagen🇳🇱🇩🇰. Bike-lanes can transport mulitiple the times of people in less space, compared to car-lanes🚗
@@BlownMacTruck It’s a good plan, still long to go though There need bike-lanes on every single street in the city, and more invest into transport and mass transit
@@BlownMacTruckthese bike lanes need to be protected however. With bollards to keep out wayward drivers. We also need law enforcement ticketing motorcyclist & mopeds in bike lanes & vehicles going past 25-30mph in bike lanes. They need to keep them on the streets and out of bike lanes. More needs to be done & could be done right now.
Bikes are far slower and certainly are not used for virtually all commuters (at best, nearly all bicyclists travel very short distances). Furthermore, bicyclists dangerously break existing road laws constantly. Mass transit would work far better than bike lanes in the form of exclusive bus lanes and better rail service. Manhattan also does not have space for rental bikes and electric scooters to be infrequently and.slowly used (by passenger per lane per minute) while being littered all over the place with plastic barriers that never stay put stationary in lanes in the.first place. Bike lanes have been an absolute disaster to all travel as DiBlasio rushed plans were implemented in Manhattan. To that end, all travellers of bikes, scooters, and pedestrians for all future planning must be subject to extremely strict and.expensive law enforcement with no exceptions for any road plan to truly work safely and efficiently in Manhattan.
With due respect, Manhattan moves far faster than Amsterdam or Copenhagen and slow bicycle and scooter lanes provide virtually no answers and several more problems to very dense Manhattan traffic. Real mass transit planning is the answer to move so many people so fast in Manhattan which smaller Amsterdam cannot even contemplate. Bicyclists without licenses in Manhattan are frankly dangerous to everyone in traffic.
This added cost that will affect all deliveries into the city and will only increase that costs of everything in the city, which will become a further hardship on the poor and middle class. All businesses will have to add this cost to the price of goods sold. For example you're hamburger for lunch that is already costing $15.00 will cost $20.00 and so on. All the while just like all other city programs that increased taxes and fees that are raised to fund these projects supposedly will be used for other pet projects, misused or just stolen and nothing will be fixed or maintained.
Does this exempt charter/greyhound buses? Will more public transit stations open just outside the zone? What about reducing the cost (or even exemptions) for rideshares, or cars with multiple passengers?
Does nobody remember both Hoechul and Adams effectively trying to *order* businesses to claw back to the office everyone who was working remotely? Oh buhuhu, all that commercial real-estate is going unused... Who in his right mind would want to either walk who knows how far to the nearest bus/train, have to commute for the better part of an hour or sometimes *more* just to get to work and later get home? People from Joisey working in Manhattan have to commute, pay tolls, pay for parking, etc., just for that "privilege" of working in Manhattan. I'd abandon Manhattan completely and set up shop elsewhere. And me personally, I simply refuse to commute anymore, period. It's remote or nothing.
There's gonna be alot more businesses leaving Manhattan when this goes into effect. NYC real estate is already so expensive and most CEO and high ranking officials in business live New Jersey or Connecticut suburbs already so I'm sure they won't mind moving their offices closer to them
@@DJDynamite My old company already let their lease lapse and moved their 'puters to a data-center, and everyone's working remotely. Saves everyone a fortune, both the workers (no commuting) and the company (no lease).
@@Antonio-wh3oq You clearly haven't heard of a train. If the system is built right, a stop will be close to your home where you can ride your bike there, hop on a train with the bike, and bike from the station to work. This works in pretty much every European country where the majority of people in cities bike, walk or take public transit to most places.
This congestion charge is without a doubt a poor tax. Rich people or well off people will continue to drive in and those that have to drive in for some reason or another and make a regular living will struggle because of it.
Not only that but if delivery trucks are charged a toll fee the company delivering items will increase their fees to the stores (and not just $23 which was the fee, more likely by like $50-75) and then the stores will increase their prices to customers (they'll likely have to make $150-200 more from each delivery). Yes there are a lot of items on a delivery truck but even the increase cost to customers on an item only works out to being $0.10 more on say a bottle of water at the corner store that minor increase will go completely unnoticed by the multimillionaires making six figure paycheques but will certainly be noticed by the average person who's struggling to pay rent and is just trying to make a modest living Edit: and sure you might be saying "oh it's only $0.10, big deal" but next time you go to the grocery store add an extra $0.05 to every item you buy and see how quickly that adds up over the next month when you're barely getting by as it is now .... and don't be asking saying "I'll just ask for a raise" because if those store employees do that too then the store will have to increase it's prices even more
Interesting how NY government says they want to reduce congestion while simultaneously fighting to get employees out of their homes and back in the office. This isn't about congestion, it's about creating another revenue stream for the city which will ultimately be grossly mismanaged, just like the rest of our taxes
Good eye
the math not adding up to me MTA’s Operating Budget is projected to be $19.379 billion. 9.222 billion subsidies by the state. MTA made 22 billion last year. So, the NYC taxpayer are paying for half MTA operating budget and paying the high fare. and you wonder why people are going through the free bridges. people need to wake up
I was thinking the same thing. No way it's all going where they're saying.
Take public transit
Than don’t drive, they lose the revenue
The biggest issue that this piece doesn’t bring up the history of New York State governors using MTA funds to fund other things besides the MTA.
I agree. The money should be earmarked _specifically_ for the MTA.
I want to know how they're going to collect.
At least a constitutional lock box if you will & Also, the MTA needs reform.
Exactly.
@@Chicago48ny is a crud hole.
Dude was 💯 % right. Everything has gone up except the pay.
Yes and they have no answer to that!
@@sakenu16 funny how that works huh?
Thanks for peeping my small cameo @yousuf41
Owning a car isn't going to help anyone's financial situation, especially in one of the most public transportation accessible cities in the country.
@@yaash4123but its not. Making things up in the present of Transit isn't a definition of perfection system. The problem is everything is corporate owned with the facade of being owned by the city or state. Slow times. Slow trains. High crime always near these stop routes. Nothing is on time. Nothing is clean. Everything is expensive and tourism is dying in NYC on top streets being closed to make way for walking path BUT NO ONE CAN AFFORD to go to the island to "shop". Relying on tourism is a death sentence too
I visited NYC for the first time last March for 28 days. I paid about $200 in tolls, and $550 for parking. After I got home, I got about $700 in parking tickets in the mail over a 6 month period, and a toll bill for $340. It’s a shake down of the highest degree
Just to cross the bridge into town from jersey is like 50 dollars or something. Just to cross a bridge!! That's just lunacy
Don’t come to NYC 😭
@@THEWOKEN2024 trust me the reason why they are doing this is BECAUSE a lot of people (mainly tourists) are NOT coming to NYC. They are desperate for money.
@@JohnS-er7jhThere is TH-cam now. They can't hide the facts from people anymore. There are so USA. Other countries that is worth visiting than Usa.
Park in NJ in one of their insane parking lots and take the cheaper transport options next time.
NY's way of solving any problem is to raise taxes.
Its almost like they dont want to solve these issues, they just want the money
That’s exactly what they want, I love Ny and it’s very near and dear to my heat but I had to leave the cost of just being alive is too much
At this rate, air and sunshine tax will be next.
@@aceventuraaceventura2003 fr I wouldn’t doubt it at all
Create problems then charge a tax for it.
That pretty much describes government.
This will be a good idea IF AND ONLY IF they rapidly improve their public transit, but given how NY's taxes are so poorly missmanaged, I have my doubts that they'll be able to pull it off.
Yup. I actually like this idea but transit needs to be 10X better.
Lol democrats
@@For891I mean upstate doesn’t subsidize the city, it’s the other way around
BIG IF
There is no "If". They are proven corrupt criminals. The money will evaporate in Dem controlled organizations, the faceless corrupt Dem bureaucrats who will control those exemptions will be empowered, and ultimately only the Dem friendly voting blocks will get those exemptions.
At the rate the MTA wastes money, it'll all be gone in the blink of an eye. And they'll say they're broke and need more. Always more and service is terrible.
That money is being funneled into pockets!
That hydrogen pilot program is an example of the MTA wasting money. The future is electric and all MTA buses should be electric by now. There is no excuse at this point. New Yorkers, Americans in general are getting screwed. Notice so many outside hands get paid from American taxes but our quality of life is not improving. Am I the only one to see this?
@@KB-ro9hg thats all it is..lyin devils
Dumbocrats 😆 🤣
This will be an example to all cities all over the nation of exactly what NOT to do...
An public transit prices WILL GO UP...If this is allowed. Congestion in public transit will be massive before any upgrade can be completed to accommodate to what I assume to be a rapid influx in riders . Good luck NY
This is just annoying to rich people. As 30$ dollars make no difference for them. Middle class and lower class, already takes public transportation
@@USAads2023 But people who do Uber Lyft DoorDash Uber eats and they do DoorDash and Uber eats or any of the other ones by car is going to effect them. They are not rich you’re doing that to make money.
Having less noise, air pollution and pedestrian fatalities is a good thing. If you want to sit in traffic all day go live somewhere else
But they'll still do it, America isn't a free country anymore. And this is to see who comes there over and over, camera on our private lives.
Many dystopian books refer to rich sectors of society being separated by fees for entry as a way of segregating out poverty.
It seems like they’re getting close to making nyc rich ppl island, and that’s probably why most of the migrants are here
@@110metsfan you have to be rich and psychotic to want to live there
Absolutely! Thank u
they already did this with redlining in the 40s
Yes all the poor people who have to drive their personal cars into manhatten will be tolled! And all the rich people who have to take public transit squished with all the other rich people won’t be!
Richer nonresident people would be driving their cars into Manhattan…
Just to be clear here - they're charging a fee to use the roads we paid for with our current taxes. This isn't based on any environmental concerns, this is about the fact that NYC policies are driving out the very people and businesses who used to sustain NYC with their taxes and the massive deficits that causes.
And as for the MTA, no one wants to use that so long as NYPD continues to do nothing about the epidemic of crime people have to deal with.
with that logic
why should we be charged a fee to take public transportation that we pay for with our taxes?
People voted for democrat policies. Let them rot
This is part of the transition to get cars out of NYC. at some point in the future, there will only be EV's provided by the state and train/subways.
@@610kclaf do you like the solution that other countries have implemented, like say, only permitting even numbered-license plates on certain days a week or odd-numbered license plates on others?
how do you solve the problem of too many cars? the American obsession to have the freedom to do whatever you want doesn't work when there's limited resources
What you say makes no sense. You're saying that it's not about the environment but rather "policies that are driving out people and businesses." So what are these "policies" and why would they intentionally drive out people/businesses? It's about reducing congestion and improving public transit which reduces pollution/greenhouse gas and improves people's health and overall quality of life. The car-centric culture that Big Oil promoted and propagandized is literally killing us.
This will fail massively until they improve reliability of the public transportation options, which, I bet, will lag behind by months if not years. As they said, London expanded bus capacity from day 1, what is NYC doing from day 1 to improve the public options?
Only way to improve is TAXING MORE! NEED more tax dollars!
@@shidohihihothey need more money for Ukrain
Exactly. They need to be setting up the union schedules so that as many buses and subways and railroads can be running on day 1. Knowing how the MTA runs the railroad, I have a sneaky suspicion that they are not really going to be running anything more than they are right now. The LIRR is still operating as if it's the 1970;s. Hopefully the buses and subways can get something more than what's running these days.
$10 to the MTA means $1 to public transit
I almost wrote my own reply and then saw this one. The speed at which the promised improvements will take place will end up just throttling the hard-working public without offering good timely alternatives. I hope that I will be incorrect in this projection.
I was in New York this summer but lived in NJ, folks naturally living in NJ who commute into New York for work already pay an obscene price to get into the city and now for they pay even more for every street, this is disgusting for everyone 🤢
Does NEW YORK authority know where they're going to put all the bodies including their own.
This city was murdered Sept 9-11 2001 and 23 years of CPR isn't bringing the BIG APPLE back. They turned ground zero of WTC buildings into a reflection pond memorial as an insult and spit in America's face. And now WW3 Is here because of a dog abusing child sniffing pedophile In the White House as his administration funds more terrorism
And you have to stare at a reflection pond you do.. 😣it hurts
And the prices will go up - just like the tolls.
Then stay in New Jersey and work in New Jersey. y'all come from other states to reap the benefits of NYC and then run back to your little states to brag about your affordable cost of living while you shxt on New York. Stay and work in your state.
What you dont like the $25 toll everday to drive over the gw bridge and thats just a car 18 wheelers are almost $80 they do 3 million cars a day!! Add that up im sure the money is not being spent correctly and thats just one bridge there are 8 bridges coming i to manhattan
So why are there still no protest demonstrations?
Stop the cap! This plan has nothing to do with environmental control. This plan is directly in response to MTA's unprecedented loss of revenue since the COVID outbreak which led to a large number of commuters abandoning subways for driving to work and an unprecedented spike in fare evasion. MTA can now regain its profit margin by either commuters returning to the subway or toll. Be honest and admit it!
Don’t forget everyone skipping turnstiles!
Nope. They have been talking about congestion pricing well before the pandemic. I recall it being discussed in the Bloomberg days.
The fair evasion really bothers me because it's always white people from these gentrefied neighborhoods who can afford the fair committing the crime not saying other people don't do it to but I've seen white people do it the most...
Yeah now they're going to steal it from the drivers that don't use their product I can't understand how this is even remotely illegal. Can I start charging people to use my product that don't want it to fund it cuz I'm not making enough money!
@@SisyphusJP Thats what “fare evasion” is
They're going to have to really improve local public transit once the congestion pricing comes into force in spring 2024.
Good luck with that. They've been saying that since the '70's. Wait till they screw up the billing! Good lord, run away, run away!
That's what the taxes are for.
@@timogulTaxes are for their pockets. Big cities never use taxes for the citizens. At least in the US they don't.
@@SmokyOle Their pockets take less than a percent of the taxes, where do you think the rest of it goes?
@@timogul Ukraine, Israel, Afghanistan etc
The most frustrating thing is that the mayor of NYC can make every bus super reliable and fast today without asking anyone for permission or funding or anything, make every bus super reliable and fast.
All he has to do is order the NYC DOT to install a bus lane, busway, and/or traffic filter on every single bus line, with no exception. That alone would massively increase the transit options in NYC. Again, no one is stopping him from doing this today.
I agree. The infrastructure needs to improve a lot. We need reliable alternatives such as public transit and bikes.
@@localnyraccoon the whole country could benefit from that... but we decided the interstate was a better option
@@gasoline3597 The interstate decision was taken in another century.
It was a decision fit for a less enlightened time.
they’re doing that now it seems in manhattan and the bx
We already have bus lanes in New York City
PEOPLE SHOULD STAND UP AND PROTEST IN NYC STREETS
Tripping over the homeless, drug users, and illegal migrants that are already there? Yeah, sure.
Is that allowed? They might implement people congestion tax.
They do protest yet still vote dumbocrats
The MTA needs to seriously be audited. All they do is waste money. It's really disgusting.
Glad you said that. Huge money wasters
what about the US government in general? WE the people must initiate an audit on the entire government.
I feel like that 80% is mostly lining some beurucrats pocket at the top of the chain. 0 extra man power just automation and taxation
As someone who has moved to the Netherlands not so long ago, I find it interesting that many densely populated areas are without debilitating car traffic, but the dutch use convenience to discourage driving, not tolls. It is often simplier, (cheaper) and faster to take a bike or public transport to an area than taking your car.
Every single dutch road is free (bar two bridges) in the entire country. People don't complain about traffic reduction because the government isn't reaching in their pockets if they want to go somewhere.
What baffled me was, at least where I live, most households have at least 2-3 cars that they use regularily. The dutch have about the same cars per person as NY.
ps.: The added benefit of using convenience rather than money as an incentive is that (as others pointed out below), you are not "banning" low income people and giving a free pass to the rich. Poor and rich take the same, convenient route when they can.
"but the dutch use convenience to discourage driving, not tolls"
yea they just remove parkings and the remaining ones cost 87k$ per year
i was driving there and its miserable, constantly some bicycle is trying to get under your wheels....
@@faustinpippin9208 87k seems excessive, I had a parking space in central Amsterdam for €3500 for a year.
But yeah, parking in the downtown is a mess.
The Dutch response when I brought it up was "Why do these people who don't live here want to drive into my city, my street, and think they can take the [green resting place] for their cars to park? They are just passing by."
Although many coworkers who preferred driving expressed just how much it sucks in the Netherlands and how exhausting it can be. But I guess, that's really the point, isn't it?
@@DesignFIaw 87k per year is from the 10$ per 1h parkings, thats how much the gov makes from parkings and it shows that they are way overpriced for what they cost to build
"who don't live here want to drive into my city, my street,"
its funny how these people think they own the streets lol they dont even own their apartments
"But I guess, that's really the point, isn't it?"
ofc, for the urbanists' thats their entire agenda
they move to a dense city with cars and then they are SHOCKED that there are people in the city who use cars, and then they will complain that suburban people have a yard and then they will proceed to destroy road infrastructure to make useless "feel good" vanity projects that destroy people lifes, just to put a "yard" infront of their apartment....
@@faustinpippin9208 yes that's the point, take the tram or ride a bike.
@@Luis-vx1tx i have a batter idea: i will stay away from the cities that want to force me into doing something uncomfortable, and just ride my car in comfort from A to B in places that are still normal and all the urbanists can rot in their city and never leave it, while they ride bicycle in winter while dragging their kids in a trailer behind it...
As a NYC resident, this will cause an enormous amount of crime. the amount of license plates that are already being stolen to evade bridge & tunnel tolls are ridiculous. They clearly didn't think about all of the citizens that hop the bus and train already, just to get to work and school because they can't afford it. These politicians are so comfortable, they are out of touch with normal, average society. These people are the destruction of human kind.
to implement congestion tax, the cost MUST be on the commercial or industry business receiving shipment. not the average person.
MTA needs to become more reliable and to start making serious implementations for autonomous services. Before they do that, they need to figure out how to house Not only our citizens enjoying the methadone programs, but now, all of these war refugees flooding into our harbors. all of these ignorant political decisions will lead to gang violence, domestic terror & violent culture.
That Co-op City metro north station construction completely destroyed traffic flow not only in that neighborhood but along the I-95, intersections to the Hutch & Shore Rd. Exit (exit to City Island). It's truly embarrassing to have these politicians with bricks for brains.
If you live in any major city move out go somewhere to a rural town it’s more affordable all the way around
I hear spray foam is cheap
I know someone who's dad died put there. She came out to settle his affairs and got his super old car and wants to keep the plates for nostalgia. And NY is making her either keep ins on it or give the plates back. If not they'll charge her like 150$ a month or more.
That seems like an amazing idea coupled with the rising prices of literally everything. Whoever thought of it needs a raise!
@squibbelsmcjohnson really really smart.
That's the one thing they aren't getting.
Then don’t drive into midtown Imao
They've already given themselves raises.
Like in London it is a tax on people to pay for the failings of local government in investing in infrastructure in the first place.
It begs the question, what was the plan to take care of these buses and subway systems when they were designing it? Why do drivers have to pay for busses and subways they don't use?
@@trafficjam. The goal is to *discourage* using cars. Mass transportation is the smartest option for most people - and getting people to do the smart thing is notoriously difficult.
@@epbrown01 then they should work on making mass transit safe and clean.
@@Distress. That always cracks me up. People will drive poorly maintained, uninsured, rusted out Chevy Vega full of fast food wrappers while trying to text and drive after leaving the bar- but mass transit has to be absolutely perfect or why use it. :-)
@epbrown01 For some ppl, driving a private car is the smart & safe thing to do. Next thing they'll say is too many ppl are walking around and breathing too much air in a day. Where does it end? Driving is an option that was given to us, we shouldn't be penalized for it. Where were these geniuses when they were designing the first automobile hundreds of years ago? Nobody thought about the impact of exhaust? We shuld not have to pay for what the government overlooked and fell short.
Government: Builds cities that require people to drive through them.
*Cities become congested.*
Government: 😱
They better have a great idea to get people to come there or there have another problem on there hands
That's called "Bidenomics" or whatever joe biden said.
New York is one of the most accessible cities
This is the government New Yorkers have voted for. And now they gotsta pay.
@@australianpanda2713 In America. In the rest of the world it isn't even close.
This is insane and to blame the citizens of New York is quite literally jaw dropping, I'm genuinely disgusted by this
COMUNISMO!
When did they blame anyone?
@@TheoDaJunk pls go somewhere I don't have the time today for the foolishness
@@KA-wp6zo I didn't want to argue I genuinely wanted to know...
Stop voting Democrat. Go back to the beginning of the vid. First thing you see, Loud mouthed Dem talking about how they need to be sketchy once again.
Politicians and rich people shoudn't get an exemption. The mayor should be charge triple.
They using jet and helicopters , the only people will pay for this is poor
Crazy how all the billionaires and millionaires are building megacities pricing people out of areas and raising cost of living so high that certain groups just don't have access to basic, humane living anymore
Just look at the faces of every one of these people they are just beaming with happiness at the idea of screwing over poor people. On top of that they keep talking about pollution as if we are suddenly going to stop transitioning to Green Technology and revert back to using fossil fuels for everything.
Charging money to drive somewhere is insane. That alone is taking away my rights
Trust me, nobody wants to live in that socialist hell hole, it's got nothing to do with your "millionaires and billionaires".... well, except that they were smart and started leaving NY and CA in droves due to their above mentioned socialist BS....so now the people who were paying the taxes are gone, so those Socialists that you voted for are coming after you to make up the difference. Wake up 😅
@@I_Ace You already are charged to drive somewhere, what do you think gas taxes are for? You also are charged for the right to own the car in the first place (ie property taxes, DMV fees).
@@123chargeit He's saying hes being charged to enter a city with his vehicle that is taking away his right to be able to drive through any city without being charged an entrance fee. Also if we are charged for all of those things like you stated then why do they need to charge anything else we already pay for so many things as it is.
Congestion zone pricing only works when you have effective, reliable public transportation. It could work in New York, but they have talked about it in Los Angeles, and thats simply not possible with the horrible public transit network here. $23 per DAY is an insane cost unless you can take the subway to anywhere, without it breaking down.
I think for LA, what you would want to do is 1. announce solid plans to build much more efficient public transit networks that would cost a lot of money, 2. announce congestion pricing that starts out negligible but will ramp up over a period of years so that it peaks after the public transit system is planned to be in good shape, then 3. take out loans against that new income, so that they can fund the expansions at a better rate than if they tried to just pay out of pocket.
Thank you! Reliable and affordable public mass transportation.
congestion pricing is how ciu pay dor public transportation
@@jackiepie7423 yes, but the transition would be too harsh in LA. NYC already has a vast subway network, LA does not. A lot of people’s only choice is to drive to get to a lot of parts of the city. We have an allocation issue in LA where city officials unfortunately do not put money towards updating transit where needed, but instead towards unnecessary and irrelevant projects such as the $488 million 6th street viaduct bridge. 2 alternate routes exist a block away on either side, and I’ve only ever seen 3-10 cars on the bridge at a time, because no one uses the route. Money better spent on the metro system.
The place most ripe for a car-free zone in all of north america is midtown and lower manhattan. Ban all cars.
all this does is stop poor ppl from driving and clears the roads for the rich.
Highly regressive for such a "progressive" city...
Like so many things this will ultimately hurt the middle and lower income earners. I understand their vision but with the billions of dollars they have had access to over the years with minimal investment back in, what makes this new funding any different? I think ultimately it will force people to move out of the area if they cannot get to work in a reasonable way with a reasonable amount of time and for reasonable price.
NYC should invest more in expanding their subway.
They can’t even keep it clean.
That's what this toll is for
That’s the whole point of the toll, among other things. Some people really aren’t that bright
That's what they're currently doing with the 2nd avenue. What they really need to do though is find a way to reduce costs and not spend over 1 billion dollars per station.
@@GeorgeP-uj8xc You know just as well as I do it's not going towards the Subways despite how much they say it is.
We already have something similar in singapore for years. Only difference is that our public transport is reliable and is used by most of the population.
So is NYC’s, it also just happens to be 100 years older
Your public transportation is also safe and modern
Most real New Yorkers take public transport. It's just a few overweight suburbanites that want to drive into Midtown or Downtown Manhattan.
@@JordanPeacein the city maybe. Not if you live in Queens.
Singapore is just better than American megacities in general. The people also respect the land more less ghetto people and less corruption from politicians
If all of these important infrastructures have been under invested in like they’re saying, then I would think that all of the mayors throughout the years should be held accountable🤨 but instead, they’re making us pay more when they don’t even manage the money correctly to begin with🤯😡
NYC is dying.
Oh, they managed the money correct. Right into their pocket
@@Asian_Connection
🤦🏻♂️😂💯Good one!
USA needs to go back to 50s 60s way of life and thinking. You just can’t keep taxing people.
Don’t you love how they skipped over the safer subway part. 😂
it is reaaaalllyyyy safe now. every corner has couple of cops that are browsing facebook on their phones. trust me.
I thought I was the only one that caught that, good on you for pointing it out 😂
@@BibaBoba2D😂😂😂😂 omg i shouldn't be laughing
@@BibaBoba2Dlmfaooooooooooooo Ive seen people hop right over the turnstiles in their faces and they do nothing . they aren’t there working doing their jobs they’re just waiting out that clock
I don't mind funding the MTA, but congestion pricing is essentially giving the MTA a blank check with no guarantees they'll improve service. Considering how much money the MTA wastes it would be prudent to effect a certain amount of guaranteed minimum service just so we know where our money is going.
The MTA is going to continue to waste money on consultants and contractors and then they would be back saying all 5 boroughs need congestion tax. Like that's the problem
it is really hard to waste as much as the system car/ street does.
@@MusikCassette sooo how do u want your deliveries to come on a drone
@@jlove4eva1234 relevance ?
@@jlove4eva1234 Ex-Consultant here. I consistently saved private and public organizations millions of dollars per year. Most consultants do…which is why they’re paid well.
They need to focus on faster services, on time. If the trains ran on time and were quicker and if NJ & NY just create one simple train system connecting the largest area, things would get better.
One way to help the MTA get more trains on time is to have more conductor staff, which requires more money, which requires that they raise more money from things... like congestion pricing.
I think fast is the least of your worries. Stinky crime ridden trains is your first.
This toll is specifically to fund mass transit
Too many excuses
Exactly this. Everyday is an encounter with a crazy. Dirty and unsafe. @@TheBooban
There is zero reason for congestion pricing. NYC can create Green Space but chooses NOT to. For instance, why don't we close off all vehicular traffic on Broadway from the northern tip of Manhattan to the southern tip? Create a large, beautiful Green Space in the median with trees and grass and parks and flowers. Create bicycle and pedestrian lanes for healthy commuting and allow cross town vehicles every 10 blocks. This isn't about the environment and health of New Yorkers. This is a money grab.
Similar to the congestion charge zone in london, only difference is that in london you can drive around it to get somewhere whereas in NYC you would have to rely on transport
If you don't own a business and you're just getting around it doesn't really make sense to be driving in Manhattan.
They should make FDR exempt so you can still get around the island without being charged.
Does London have 20 dollar bridge toll?
I doubt it.
@@BrendanSullivan-ll7fz The FDR will be exempt, along with West Street. The tolls only will affect drivers entering the street grid, bypassing along the edges via either of these routes will not incur the toll.
@@NutsAndThighsthey are already on the FDR, right before you go under the queensboro you can see them hung under the roadway signs..
NJ guv Murphy and Congressman Gottheimer should ask for extension of No 7 subway to Weehawken and Secaucus in return for the congestion pricing fee.
The answer would be no. They don’t control NY nor the MTA. That’s like saying I want some of your Apple so go pick the fruit & wash it for me & I’ll take a bite. Ok?
@tuanx No, I'm recommending a mutually beneficial deal, which is common in politics. NJ and NY are adjacent to one another in the same region and same country. They are merely separated by a boundary line drawn nearly four centuries ago before the United States. Now, may I have a bite of the apple?
@@benqurayza7872that wouldn't work because both NJ and NY have different laws and different regulations this is the problem with parts of a large american city metro area being in a different state it creates a giant mess
NJ needs to take over ownership of PATH, and make the subsequent investments necessary to improve public transit into NYC.
Nice idea, but the Gateway Program would likely be completed first.
As if life isn’t hard enough they wanna squeeze out more money from everyday ppl.
Everyday people aren't driving their personal car into lower Manhattan.
@@airops423because screw poor people lol!
@@tesla82111 huh? Less than a quarter of all households in Manhattan own a car. Having a car there is just not a good idea no matter your income.
I’m an independent contractor, I work with personal ladders majority of the time, taking transportation is not realistic for people like me in this business. This is a disgrace especially since I live in Jersey City and majority of my revenue is in Manhattan. They’re not thinking of people of me who work these types of jobs.
It's $23 at max per day, if you work in Manhattan your customers can afford the $5 per customer on top of whatever y'all charge
I am a retired NYC bus operator.....if the city would stop all the fare beating, none of this would be necessary. The MTA says they care about the fare beaters. But they don't. In the subway, you have many stations with no token booths or personnel at all. People exit through the gates and many crowds of people go through the open doors for free. Where there are token booths, people just jump the turnstile. With no repercussions. I've seen police present when people jump the turnstile and turn a blind eye. As a former bus operator, when people walk by you and ignore the fare box, we are told to tell them the fare is $2.90 and just let them go.🫣🤫 People laugh in the bus drivers faces.........the MTA WANTS fare beaters. This way they can cry poverty and get billions from the Federal Government. Paid by the same people who DO pay the fare!!🤨 And the service also is terrible. Nothing has been done about the people who harass and make everyone uncomfortable. And now smoking weed is prevalent on the subways especially. Nothing is going to change. The honest working people are getting played by the politicians and the MTA "leadership". 😂 BTW.....Our "leaders" don't care about the environment either. Just votes and money.🤭😞😩😫 0:03 0:03
Because you know what will happen. A fare beater will fight back and die and then the politician is racist and looses next election.
It's not really about making money from fares. It's about limiting the number of cars and congestion going into Manhattan.
Yea you cant do this over in Japan. Every ticket gate has multiple cameras and an officer stationed to monitor people. You also need to scan your card again to get off the subway with ANOTHER officer right there watching lol so its not worth it
@@FlightX101No you don’t understand US. We have policemen (not subway security guys) standing next to the gates with guns on them, but fare beater still jump the gates and totally ignore them. Because everyone knows police will do nothing. This kind of crime is not considered even a crime 😢
literally saw a guy go under the turnstile with an mta guy right there this week. like wtf.
It'll have to include mass expansion and improvement of bike lanes, especially considering it takes about the same time to drive to somewhere in the city from the boroughs as it does to bike there
Nope that costs them money. They're not gonna do that
As a cyclist, as a former professional cyclist... You going to ride a bicycle in the New York City winter time? I seriously doubt you are. As for me I will drive one of my three Mercedes V8 twin turbos and not worry about the New York taxes because I've left for a far more advantageous taxing system in the State of Florida and close my businesses that were up north
That's point. You can still bike and not lose time.
@@systemsbrokenI cycle in the Chicago winter. New York would be a piece of cake.
That would serve the public better and cut pollution, but that is not how NYC works. They want MONEY that they can steal from and more union public employees that work as their reelection campaign staffs!!!
Bike lanes are too cheap and effective!
This is basically to ensure that only wealthy people can drive in midtown and lower Manhattan
You need to buy a car to drive
Many will block their plates with "leaves" I will
That was always the case
This is to ensure that fewer people take their cars into Manhattan. Which is good, because there are just too many
lol and pushing the poor to brox.
Here's a thought keep OUR taxes out of your pockets and put our taxes where they were intended to go. Like our Schools and Roads.
Instead of suing NJ should of focused more on expanding NJT/Path to more parts of NJ with more frequent service. It really just sound like the state is salty that their reliance on highways is now an issue because NYC doesnt want their traffic.
I used to think that NJ would be affected by it, but since you pay to get in anyway, I can't imagine that they would make you pay nearly $50! If so, a state suing is good, although they are moving it along already. Other states to the west of NJ should sue with them - the whole nation.
Exactly what I said. It’s a ridiculous anti-commuter lawsuit. Make PATH/NJT as accessible as NYCT is. Make it so people don’t have to drive in this state. North Jersey could literally be competing with NYC on mass transit availability. PATH should run like a web all throughout Hudson & East Essex Counties. Bring business across the pond, so people can work in their state instead of having to commute to NYC. Improve the transit around the neighborhoods surrounding NJT stations so people can easily bus/bike/scoot/tram to a more frequent NJT. Instead of making Jersey great, they want to sue. 🙄
Exactly. Our mayor said exactly the same thing.
@@crazydopetastic NJ already gets offshoot businesses due to NYC. NJ should not be competing with NY for transportation in its state, they just need to worry about their needs. State have whole state to worry about, as well as interacting with neighbors.
NY and CT are attached by land, so that makes things easier and less costly. Any NJ/NYC action always has to have a new bridge or tunnel project in mind.
wrong what nj should be focused on is work from home. so ny loses income tax
Don’t be surprised when ghost plates and cover plates go up 100%
Paper plates as well
To fully enforce that NYC should implement satellite based distance related charging. So no fraud
@@_LYH_How accurate would that be with tunnels and overpasses?
Don't be surprised when Scofflaw Enforcement rolls around overnight & boots your ride.
@@KTF_7that won’t happen
The NYPD asking for a toll exemption is all you need to know about NYC.
Off-duty officers, and all city workers basically. They all drive and park for free
It’s the benefit of a public job… go get a public service job and you can have those same benefits!!
I will paint my car as postal car, it can double park, fire hydrant park, park in roof top, anywhere.
@@grahammiller2483Not everyone can get a city job, there aren’t enough city jobs for every New Yorker. And non-city workers pay as much taxes as city workers so city employees shouldn’t get better treatment as citizens in that regard!
@@BuiltInBrooklynThe things we deal with on a daily basis is stressful and disgusting!! We ABSOLUTELY DESERVE some sort of incentive! How else will people get food, medical insurance and everything else the city provides if we can't get to work? Don't forget...WE GET PAID PENNIES
We had these put up in london, 60% of the ones put up have now been destroyed there was a massive uprising people did not agree with the ULEZ system.
You should do the same 🤝
One important distinction is that at the Midtown and Battery (Carey) tunnels, the toll is 6.94 each way.
The Hudson River crossings are 14.75 collected only in one direction.
*$17 if you don't have EZ-Pass.
Battery & Midtown Tunnels are run by the MTA and not Port Authority (Lincoln & Holland Tunnel, Outerbridge, Goethals, GWB, Bayonne Bridg).
Just new scam
They should be paying US that.
I come from New Jersey and go to Brooklyn so this is going to charge me 17 to go through the Lincoln 25 as soon as I get out of Lincoln then I go over to Brooklyn Bridge and when I come home I come over Brooklyn Bridge again I'm going to hit by another 25 it's going to cost me $60 just to go to work each day which means I'm most likely going to lose my job Thank you politicians of New York in liberals who live in a bubble! Not to mention You're going to call so much traffic on a George Washington and the Verrazano which which the likes we have never seen it's going to be backed up for miles cuz everybody just going to go around And then on the other highways it's going to be bumper to bumper. Cars police way more when they're idling in traffic FYI!
@@Fab-ec8os I'm never going to NY again.
I think the key question is whether they'll increase buses exactly when they start the congestion pricing. If they plan ahead and get park and ride lots and double or triple the number of buses on the exact same day then maybe it'll work. But if they just hammer drivers with fees without giving them an acceptable alternative then hopefully people will take the hint and abandon New York. I have on occasion taken mass transit into NYC, but it's just not worth it. For a while I used to drive in, but I have long since stopped even that and just abandoned NYC entirely.
They talk about it at 11:17
Busses make traffic worse.
@@benjamindover4337false😂 too many cars do. What a ridiculous statement
@@crazydopetasticso when theirs a 40 car backup because a bus is stopped in a 50mph 3 lane it’s not the buses fault? Ok. Only people who ride buses that don’t live in “city” cities are DUI offenders and people who can’t drive.
@@LinusScrubTipswhat 50mph lane are you talking about in NYC? 😂😂😂 And cars crash, break down and cause traffic far more often than busses do. Significantly more, it’s not even close.
"Coercion is the ordinary language of the State." ~Lord Jonathan Sumption
The cities stand to make millions in profit from the average citizen, enough of this over taxing. We need less government not more.
It's all about more money for the broke-ass city. Corrupt to the core.
That's not all, auto license -plate readers to track everyone's movements.
@@lifeseeksmore9755 It's not bad enough that you get tracked by your phone and purchases but now they don't even need a search warrant to do it.
Who is going to be able to pay an entire $23 per day in addition to the daily gas cost, monthly car payments and ever increasing insurance for the automobile? GET OUT OF NEW YORK!
I sometimes have to go to New York for work and I live 2 hours away. I exclusively avoid tolls but can never avoid the tunnel tolls to get to Manhattan. This is only going to make things worse overall. Anytime I think I can't hate New York more, it proves me wrong.
Good job looking out for your citizens that are already struggling to pay rent as it is.
Facts. Even with a FULL TIME job that the pay rate is $22, I can ONLY BARELY afford a 1 bedroom in NEW JERSEY not even NYC, and each weeks check I’m left with $30-$70 after all money for bills is deducted from each check. Wild times we are living in
They should be charging you outsiders coming in to reap benefits not those of us who choose to stay
Exactly i lived in NJ worked in NJ that was back in 2010 before i moved to NY. I was struggling financially back then that double tax was emptying my pockets. I'm in NYC my goodness cost of living is ridiculous. People cant even afford to eat now have to worry about MTA fare and driving into the city. Heck MTA is fawking terrible they keep milking us dry. Money into MTA the trains are trash SAFETY is not a thing. Ridiculous
They don’t care and this is why there is so much violence in America.
As a brit, the reason I don't drive when I spend time in London is because their public transport is so good down there. It's faster than driving, affordable, and reliable enough.* Tube (Metro / underground) runs every 2 minutes, the network is vast, and areas where it doesn't cover are served well by bus. It's by far the best public transport of any major city I've visited in Europe and beyond.
For this to work in NYC, they need to invest heavily in public transport BEFORE putting the restrictions / charges in place.
*Londeners, who have to live with it day in day out, may have a different perspective on their public transport system's 'reliability.' My views come from the angle of a visitor who spends a few weeks a year there, mostly in well served 'touristy' areas.
Does the london tube run a day like the nyc subway? 😂
"My views come from the angle of a visitor who spends a few weeks a year there, mostly in well served 'touristy' areas"
all we have to know about your point of view...
try actually living in a place where the gov hates cars
" affordable"
its subsidized into oblivion by car drivers, you dont see the real cost
over 50% of fuel price is taxes over there.....
@@faustinpippin9208why would I ‘want’ to live there rather than have the Peak District as my back yard? 🙈😂 Don’t be ridiculous.
The whole point is that it’s subsidised by cars, that’s kind of the whole basis of the idea, to make driving less attractive and public transport the most viable option. Would I like that full time myself? I don’t know that I would, hence I included the part you’ve highlighted.
Fact of the matter is, compared to other major cities, London does have a great public transport network. If you’d like to counter that argument, tell me which cities have a better network, why it’s better, and if I’ve visited that city I’ll tell you why I disagree. ;)
Ultimately, the point I was making here is that for this scheme to work for NYC, they need to invest massively in transport before restricting cars, not wait for the millions to roll in then begin improvement projects.
I agree with everything you said except one very important detail.
You said they need to INVEST more money BEFORE they raise the money to INVEST. Unfortunately, money doesn’t work like that. If the citizens need a public service, they need to pay for it. London’s taxes are significantly higher already, so they had the money to invest in public transit.
@@TheOfficialOriginalChadYes, here in the UK, national taxpayer funds are regularly made available to local authorities for infrastructure or service projects like this. It often involves bidding for the cash. Even projects as trivial as repairing pot holes can be funded by the national government if your city / borough bids for the cash and wins. I don’t know if the USA has any way for states / cities to bid for federal funds for projects like this, but if you do that would be one way to fund it.
It’s difficult for me to suggest other ideas, as honestly I’m pretty ignorant to how things like this are financed in the states compared to the UK. But another possibility is private funding. Like I said though, I’m aware that I’m essentially clueless on how public projects such as improving public transport are funded in the USA, so maybe you’re right, maybe the only option is to collect the funds first.
It seems odd to me though, that they’d try and discourage car use without ensuring the alternative infrastructure and services are up to scratch first.
My main issue with this is that the public built the roads and now the city is charging people to use the road that they themselves paid for. I can see the need to reduce congestion, they should improve public transit and make for confortable and reliable. Overall they are going about this in the wrong way.
You’ve a lawsuit yes you do
Talk is cheap, what about charging the government for homeless & migrant congestion/ pollution ?
Wow that’s an insane fee on top of massive tolls and parking fees
Then take public transit or ride a bike. It's a city.
@@localnyraccoon if the gov starts charging you for breathing i will also tell you to "just stopp breathing dood" "its so ez" "lol"
@@faustinpippin9208Fallacy. There's alternatives to driving. There's none to breathing
@@RodrigoroRex there are alternatives to breathing, its just isnt as convicient and cheap like normal breathing
same with cars and public transport
and thats besides the point....
just because there is no alternative it doesnt mean the gov wont tax it, just like for most people public transit isnt a alternative at all
With as much crime happening in NYC subway stations I’m not sure how they want anyone to feel safe taking the train into Manhattan nowadays. This is disgusting behavior towards anyone entering NYC.
I think it would be great to see the people in charge of putting the toll in place take public transportation. If you told me that all of these executives and board leaders were coming into the city in public transportation, some people will see it as less of a scam.
It is just so hard to think that this is them trying to genuinely solve a problem, and not just line their pockets with cash. Growing up in the city and seeing how unreliable and dangerous the system is makes me feel that they actually don't care about moving people faster and lessening polution.
Well said they will be exempt from these tolls though, they won't take public transportation with the sorry people
i swear .... while the lady is right that most NJ people working in NYC won't be affected with this charge because we take public transportation already to get to NYC... she is forgetting the fact that even if I want to travel within my own state (NJ) traffic is going to be so backed up because everyone will be avoiding Manhattan. not only that .... all their effing roads after crossing the GWB blows ... those roads will now required more repairs due to the amount of traffic it will get.
This will hurt the poor and middle class that don’t live in that area and have to commute into that area to work. This in the end will cause more people to leave the area.
use the train, that’s the entire point. I can promise you the poor and middle class don’t drive into manhattan, who do you think rides the subway😭
Drive to your local station if you don't live close to one, there it's solved
@@papagramps1257 This is an out of touch upper class take. I have plenty of friends and family that drive to manhattan. Taking the train is time consuming for some that have things do plus a as a person who takes the train there are junkies everywhere now and an increase in stabbings. T
@@invention64 there is plenty of parking spots by those stations for sure, a lot of people are doing that already coming in from the suburbs, no space for more, it makes sense for them financially to park it in the city and pay for the lot. No transit idea will solve it with the amount of people that work in the city. 2 u just moved the congestion to a different location, solved.
What is with this crazy idea going around that people that commute into the city by car are the downtrodden proles while the ones talking trains and buses are the rich proletariat?
From the NYC IBO:
"Commuters who use private motor vehicles to commute to the congestion zone," the IBO found, "are generally better off than other commuters to the area." The median annual earnings of motor vehicle users exceeded median annual earnings of other commuters by 30 percent -- $51,021 for motorists versus $39,247 for other commuters.
Moreover, "Motor vehicle users were less likely to be in the lowest 10 percent of earners and more likely to be in the top 10 percent." Motor vehicle users also came from higher income households -- "The median annual household income was $97,136 for those who drove to work in the proposed congestion zone and $75,550 for other commuters to the zone."
Won't set foot in NYC if this happens. I live in NJ and we've been getting shafted with these crazy tolls for years.
Good, it’s already working lol
The problem is will the money made actually go toward improving mass Transit. Or in someone's pocket. Corruption in big cities is always a possibility.
New Yorkers deserve it, keep voting the same way
Why are we even paying taxes for, this greedy politicians are out of control.
NYC regularly tried to double-dip charging me with by mail tolls. First, they send the notices out 3-4 days after the late date (postmarks prove this), send out notices for tickets i paid months ago, and on top of this all, tried to tell me I owe back payments from the late 80s. I was born in the mid 90s.
From the late 80s????? They’re super gross for that.
Yea they did that to our car too. Their whole system is messed up
@@Staaaarrrrrrrrrr no it's not they're just scammers
Really crazy according to them I owe 15,000 from 2018-2019 and since it's more than 3 years ago they don't got the toll bills to show me
That’s another $5750/year tax targeted primarily at working class people. This is just a blip for all those luxury condo owners who pay that amount every month on maintenance fees. Make the MTA safe enough for these spoiled rich brats to feel ok with and reduce road traffic in a way that actually makes sense. Most of these people don’t even need to drive a whole car around to move their briefcase back and forth to work, but this policy is basically designed to improve their already cloistered lives and nobody else’s.
New York’s working class generals skews towards commuters from the outer boroughs coming in to Manhattan.
The American Community Survey found that only 4% of outer borough residents drive a vehicle into Manhattan for work while 57% take public transit. (The remainder work outside of Manhattan).
So I’m reality, a very low proportion of working class will be negatively affected while at least 57% of non-Manhattanites will see benefits to their form of commuting thanks to increased funding for public transportation.
There are already several huge transit projects like the IBX in Queens/Brooklyn and new commuter rail stations being built in the Bronx.
In New York City, the majority of working class people do not drive and the majority of drivers are not working class.
@@David-wd2uv Yeah man, but there's a lot of other reasons to come into NYC besides work. Think clearly.
@@pizzajona Do you know how many people drive into NYC every day who don't live in the city?
@@cube6485 yes. Only 21% of commuters into Manhattan from outside the city use cars (p. 46). That rises to only 38% if looking at the whole city, most of which is not covered by congestion pricing (p. 46). Note that the page references "in-commuters" which are those who commute from outside NYC to jobs in NYC. The difference between NYC residents and in-commuters can be found on pp. 48-49.
These findings and many other interesting ones can be found in the following document: www.nyc.gov/assets/planning/download/pdf/planning-level/housing-economy/nyc-ins-and-out-of-commuting.pdf
Send money overseas while charging your own citizens 👏🇺🇸
Whenever Kate Slevin is shown all she's saying is basically ; "We're going to take more of your money, and there's nothing you can do about it". Imagine paying another tax for the right to drive on the streets that your tax dollars have already paid for in the first place.
Stop dreaming. Your taxes don't cover the costs of the roads and all of their negative impacts. Good to see that subsidies for car drivers are being reduced.
@@zen1647 Clearly you never had to pay for your annual registration or inspections, while your income is taxed at a much higher rate in Manhattan than outside the city Philly is the same way.
@@TheRobertChannelDo you know the land value in Manhattan? Roads are also a huge waste of valuable resources and car drivers are unfairly subsidized.
Insurance and inspection charges go to those costs, not the roads.
@@zen1647 The idea of a city is to have a dense vertical footprint. The idea of America is to travel freely with a car, public transit has never been at the forefront of american life . The value of land is directly related to opportunities available in that region if you can't find a job in a city the overall city is now not a desirable to be in. Roads are not a waste of resources you are just naive to the logistics that allow America to run.
Every time you pay at the pump you are also paying a tax towards the towns, city, county and state. So let me know breakdown of how much money that is actually being subsidized when you haven't taken other taxes into the equation that offset your expectations.
i live in Connecticut and i do absolutely everything i can to avoid going to NYC and NJ. The roads are TERRIBLE and the Fees are ALREADY TERRIBLE
@@gawi4405 "on our streets"
since when do you own the street?
Connecticut is no better potholes the size of craters and awful traffic on the I-95 😂
@@naptime0143
The legacy of Robert Moses. In order for cars to work in the tri state area, you will need to build 40K style hive cities since at least half of it will be road
@@Demopans5990 only a real planning nerd would mention Robert Moses in this comment section lol
NYC needs to disappear along with all the horrible people that live in it.
the 'people behaving badly' / shady characters, is as much a problem as anything but it was barely mentioned here.
just because you think something is working for another city doesn't mean it'll work for your specific situation
Yes but to find a solution to that problem you need to address underlying causes. Obviously adding a ton of cops to the subways and busses isn’t making people feel safer. So cops aren’t the answer. In my opinion the answer is housing for those on the fringes of society and better mental health services. Not everyone will be saved overnight but I think improvements to those to things will drastically change the situation on public transportation.
it really isnt. NYC is the safest city in the US by a wide margin
We have the same in London. Only for some reason 90% of the cameras are damaged 🤷♂️ and it’s now costing the mayor money because they all need repairing or replacing. And even the people that receive a bill are refusing to paying them 🤷♂️
This has nothing to do with traffic and everything to do with another stream of revenue from drivers. Just like how they lowered speed limit to 25mph to get ticket revenue for those going 36+mph
Big facts. They make all these “change”and then all it does is take more money from regular everyday citizens. Just like with the speed cameras started off only in school zones which was understandable but then they made it 24/7 once they realized their making millions of dollars and then they started putting these cameras in non-school zones and seeing that people waited for the cameras to turn off to resume their normal speed.
I love how bureaucrats always call "spending" our money "investing" our money, often wastefully. You're looking at one the very people it's benefiting.
The public infrastructure in the USA shows how we view our cities. Europe, Asia, China, Japan, I could go on, have invested to make their cities places to visit, places to live, places to play, places to work, they have integrated societies that value living in their vibrant cities.
Collectivist vs individualist society
Simply outrageous!
Basically drivers are punished for traveling to Manhattan. A sign too many people are concentrated in NYC.
Or it's a sign that too many people live in the suburbs with poor public transportation and are commuting into Manhattan. If you live in or very close to Manhattan, then owning a car is more of a luxury than a necessity.
23x5 = 115
115x52 = 5,980
So they want you to pay $6000 a year for the privilege of driving into their city…. 😂💀
Gotta fix inequity . 😆 NYC seems like pure hell on earth to live in.
the path train which is reliable costs 2.90
drive to hoboken
You can pay $6000 a year to travel by car OR 1584 a year for New York public transport (subway, bus).
@@jong9379 6 grand in tolls, plus the average 6-7k in car payments people be having, 2500 in insurance, 3-4K on gas. Might as well get a damn bicycle at that point lol.
The Whitestone bridge by itself pulls in $1 million everyday. Now think about ALL of the sales tax collected from every transaction (coffee, cab ride, sneakers, lunch, phone bill, etc). NYC is expensive to run, though the city is making insane amounts of money every single HOUR. The mismanagement and corruption is wild.
What we have waited for!😀😀🤩🤩🤩🥳🥳🥳🎉🎉🎉
They said to keep MTA operating and nothing about upgrading.
Legally, absolute $0 of congestion pricing will go towards operations. Instead, the money will go towards
service expansions and capital investments that will result in operational savings. Congestion pricing financing will be used to…
- build out the second avenue subway
- update the signaling system to modern CBTC so more trains can run and run more reliably (mentioned in the video btw)
- making stations accessible and ADA compliant
- new modern electric buses and upgrades to bus maintenance facilities (mentioned in the video)
- other modernizations to improve NYCT (subway and buses), Metro North, and the LIRR (mentioned in the video)
The people who were interviewed don't get it. This will hurt people who live in Brooklyn, Queens, Long Island, Westchester/upstate NY and NJ. This will hurt people who don't have reliable public transportation. Many businesses will move out of NYC.
Yup and the scum with money is moving into the area I lived in for 49 years.
exactly
The people in the outerboros are not driving daily into Manhattan though, that's not what the numbers suggest. Business in Midtown for example rely on foot traffic, they are not relying on people driving in from Long Island lol. The hoards of tourists are coming off the subway from the airport, not from Westchester.
@@NutsAndThighs you are way off. Many people who travel into Manhattan DO come from BK, Queens, Bronx, NJ, LI and Manhattan and in turn many businesses will move out. Many businesses have and are in the process of moving out already because of rent. Lol residents already are movie.
@@NutsAndThighs I am talking about business as in offices not the local shop.
What kills me is she's so happy to say this
Hochul? Of course she is, the MTA is a state agency, funding it is the responsibility of the state and the governor. This is a huge win for commuters who are the majority of people in NYC (ergo the largest voting base). If the subway sucks, people will be reminded who to blame (the governor), so finding reliable funding sources for the MTA is a big win for the state so they don't have to worry about it for a while.
The answer is: to steal more money from the people.
It's great to reduce car dependency, but necessary to provide an alternative. I hope this money will be used EFFECTIVELY to improve the city's dumpster fire of a public transit system. Throw all the money in the world at a problem, if the people in charge are corrupt and incompetent, it won't matter.
Regardless, this will undoubtedly adversely affect people of lower income, especially if the public transit system doesn't improve. And it will harm the city even further as less people are able to commute to/from it. In my heart I know this is a continued effort to milk the population as much as they can. It won't work, though. The city is crumbling, and you can't tax anyone if everyone's homeless and noone wants to live there. Public transit reform is vital to the city's future.
And with the current migrant crisis, this is just a way for them to them money lol
It's great to reduce government dependency.
Every last thing these government clowns and the MTA say is a hunch of nonsense.
@@albundy06 Government has a reason to exist. Cities as dense as new york are literally strangled by car dependency. If you want to drive into new york, you can. It's very important that the option not to do so is available. In fact, even if the streets were fully clogged 24/7, it wouldn't matter as long as there was a viable alternative. The tolls are a half measure.
Actually reasonable take I’ve seen all day, agreed
To be honest, if you have a car and live in the boroughs of NYC to commute to Manhattan, you are "the rich". Parking alone is a fortune, and regular people have to take public transport anyway.
Plan is to discourage you from driving. Then implement driverless cars under Uber/Lyft. Fast forward when lockdowns come about they can shut down transportation and you’ll be forced to stay-put because you have no other option.
Yea. What if I don't want to be packed like sardines on bus that I paid for car so I can drive whenever I want
@@Rockstopmotion a packed bus is probably 40 less cars in front of you
Another reason to never visit New York City again.
Use the subway
Those first two women speaking with such GLEE. Ugh, city people are gross 😒
“Billions of dollars invested into the MTA”, great…knowing the MTA, they’ll spend it all to build one new bathroom in the subway, and it will take 25 years to build….
Yup
cost of materials:50k
cost of labor:20k
cost of "legal fess for politicians and gov clerks"?: 50 billion$
*And it will be reserved for people who identify as ill eagle ale eons!*
Hey their nice retirement plans cost money.
Look at the glee in these peoples’ eyes as they’re talking about how much money it’s going to cost people to drive to work.
Take the public transit. Problem solved
Good. New York is trash
I was thinking the same damn thing. How can you smile like that when talking about robbing the public. Are we not already taxed enough?
@@CakeLorde tax money is public money and should be used for public transportation. Cars are private property and shouldn't be subsidized. You want to travel private, pay accordingly.
@@GA-gd3wi no
Why don’t you just ban cars in Manhattan at this rate
Because that would affect the rich. NY just wants to stop of the poor people from driving.
not against it. But how would that generate revenue to fund public transit?
@@MusikCassettethey have enough money. It’s all just wasted.
@@james_giant_peach poor people and their car ownership is already debt trap and will remain broke
@@MusikCassette what's the infrastructure bill is for?
How come US military gets money for their pricey cool toys and bombs?
Your tax money already paid for the roads now they want to charge you again to use them. NY be playing y'all. What's next a charge to breath the air?
Don't understand why New York doesn't implement protected bike-lanes🚲, -each way-, on every street like Amsterdam and Copenhagen🇳🇱🇩🇰. Bike-lanes can transport mulitiple the times of people in less space, compared to car-lanes🚗
It’s actually a huge part of the overall plan. Go check out NYC’s bike roadmap for the future.
@@BlownMacTruck It’s a good plan, still long to go though
There need bike-lanes on every single street in the city, and more invest into transport and mass transit
@@BlownMacTruckthese bike lanes need to be protected however. With bollards to keep out wayward drivers. We also need law enforcement ticketing motorcyclist & mopeds in bike lanes & vehicles going past 25-30mph in bike lanes. They need to keep them on the streets and out of bike lanes. More needs to be done & could be done right now.
Bikes are far slower and certainly are not used for virtually all commuters (at best, nearly all bicyclists travel very short distances). Furthermore, bicyclists dangerously break existing road laws constantly. Mass transit would work far better than bike lanes in the form of exclusive bus lanes and better rail service. Manhattan also does not have space for rental bikes and electric scooters to be infrequently and.slowly used (by passenger per lane per minute) while being littered all over the place with plastic barriers that never stay put stationary in lanes in the.first place. Bike lanes have been an absolute disaster to all travel as DiBlasio rushed plans were implemented in Manhattan. To that end, all travellers of bikes, scooters, and pedestrians for all future planning must be subject to extremely strict and.expensive law enforcement with no exceptions for any road plan to truly work safely and efficiently in Manhattan.
With due respect, Manhattan moves far faster than Amsterdam or Copenhagen and slow bicycle and scooter lanes provide virtually no answers and several more problems to very dense Manhattan traffic. Real mass transit planning is the answer to move so many people so fast in Manhattan which smaller Amsterdam cannot even contemplate. Bicyclists without licenses in Manhattan are frankly dangerous to everyone in traffic.
This added cost that will affect all deliveries into the city and will only increase that costs of everything in the city, which will become a further hardship on the poor and middle class. All businesses will have to add this cost to the price of goods sold. For example you're hamburger for lunch that is already costing $15.00 will cost $20.00 and so on. All the while just like all other city programs that increased taxes and fees that are raised to fund these projects supposedly will be used for other pet projects, misused or just stolen and nothing will be fixed or maintained.
Does this exempt charter/greyhound buses? Will more public transit stations open just outside the zone? What about reducing the cost (or even exemptions) for rideshares, or cars with multiple passengers?
I believe this in only for private vehicles
No, it's for money, not for goim people.
I think in London UK congestion charge exempt for EVs
I wasn't sure is it same for NY!
Even if private buses are taxed at $23, that’s less than a dollar per passenger
Buses? Not sure. Rideshare? Nope! More in one car? Nope!
They have friken toll roads all over the damn place already. Just a nother cash grab
Does nobody remember both Hoechul and Adams effectively trying to *order* businesses to claw back to the office everyone who was working remotely? Oh buhuhu, all that commercial real-estate is going unused... Who in his right mind would want to either walk who knows how far to the nearest bus/train, have to commute for the better part of an hour or sometimes *more* just to get to work and later get home? People from Joisey working in Manhattan have to commute, pay tolls, pay for parking, etc., just for that "privilege" of working in Manhattan. I'd abandon Manhattan completely and set up shop elsewhere. And me personally, I simply refuse to commute anymore, period. It's remote or nothing.
There's gonna be alot more businesses leaving Manhattan when this goes into effect. NYC real estate is already so expensive and most CEO and high ranking officials in business live New Jersey or Connecticut suburbs already so I'm sure they won't mind moving their offices closer to them
@@DJDynamite My old company already let their lease lapse and moved their 'puters to a data-center, and everyone's working remotely. Saves everyone a fortune, both the workers (no commuting) and the company (no lease).
That's crazy working remotely will increase exponentially.
Or they’ll start taking buses or trains. Lots of bus only lanes.
Without the cars bikes might be a decent option but i dont live there cant give a good prospective
@@james-wx6jhBike from New Jersey to lower Manhattan? LOL!
@@Antonio-wh3oq😂😂
@@Antonio-wh3oq You clearly haven't heard of a train. If the system is built right, a stop will be close to your home where you can ride your bike there, hop on a train with the bike, and bike from the station to work. This works in pretty much every European country where the majority of people in cities bike, walk or take public transit to most places.
This congestion charge is without a doubt a poor tax. Rich people or well off people will continue to drive in and those that have to drive in for some reason or another and make a regular living will struggle because of it.
We need a wealth dependent congestion tax problem solved
Or you can take public transit…
Not only that but if delivery trucks are charged a toll fee the company delivering items will increase their fees to the stores (and not just $23 which was the fee, more likely by like $50-75) and then the stores will increase their prices to customers (they'll likely have to make $150-200 more from each delivery). Yes there are a lot of items on a delivery truck but even the increase cost to customers on an item only works out to being $0.10 more on say a bottle of water at the corner store that minor increase will go completely unnoticed by the multimillionaires making six figure paycheques but will certainly be noticed by the average person who's struggling to pay rent and is just trying to make a modest living
Edit: and sure you might be saying "oh it's only $0.10, big deal" but next time you go to the grocery store add an extra $0.05 to every item you buy and see how quickly that adds up over the next month when you're barely getting by as it is now .... and don't be asking saying "I'll just ask for a raise" because if those store employees do that too then the store will have to increase it's prices even more
Hell No, it's time for people to stand up for what's right!
Lol