Why I SOLD My INTERCEPTOR 650 - Pros & Cons Vs. My Bonneville & V7
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 31 พ.ค. 2024
- Welcome to the fifth episode of my series comparing my Royal Enfield Interceptor 650, my Triumph Bonneville 865, my Moto Guzzi V7 750!
In this video, I'll highlight the five ways my Interceptor stands out above the Bonneville and the V7, and why that wasn't enough to get me to decide to keep it in the end.
If you're considering buying a Royal Enfield Interceptor 650, watch this video to learn the pros and cons of this motorcycle, in comparison to the Triumph and the Moto Guzzi.
Highlights:
0:00 Intro
0:36 Interceptor's 5 Main Advantages
2:21 Interceptor's Advantage For TH-camrs
3:57 Why I'm Selling - Reason 1
5:34 Why I'm Selling - Reason 2
7:16 Why I'm Selling - Reason 3
8:51 How It Compares vs. Bonneville & V7
12:36 The Right Decision (?)
I might be selling my Interceptor, but that doesn't mean it was all bad. I'll be sharing the five main advantages of the Royal Enfield Interceptor 650 over the Triumph Bonneville and Moto Guzzi V7.
We'll look the three issues I have with my Royal Enfield Interceptor and why this motorcycle has let me down.
Lastly we'll look at the cons of how the Interceptor compares to the Bonneville and the V7 and discuss whether or not selling the Interceptor and keeping the other two motorcycles was the right decision. - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
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Coming from India, and having owned a couple of royal Enfield's, and being in Canada Now....I wouldn't touch a Royal Enfield. Reasons: 1) the price isn't really cheap compared to a speed twin. 2) the quality is sub par. 3) service network and dealer support is almost non existing 4) tubed tires !!!!! imagine getting a flat 5) Pillion comfort is horrible ...enough for a smart decision.
Really glad you shared your insights on this as you can definitely see it from both sides. Roughly how much would an Interceptor 650 be in India, in canadian dollars? Here in Toronto out the door you're looking at $11,000 Canadian taxes in. It's a lot of money when there are so many great used bikes out there for so much less. Thanks again for sharing 👍🏻
On the road (Mumbai) = out of the door (Canadian) is 5400 cad!!!! Here the dealers are quoting approx 11.5 k !!!! Almost double.
This is the major reason why I wouldn’t go for the RE. I’d rather buy a pre owned triumph which would still be a stronger value proposition, be hassle free in terms of quality and still give me a good resale value a few years down the line.
In fact same goes for the triumph speed 400 and the KTM 390. These motorcycles are sold for less than half the prices, back home in India. I guess as I am from India, and know the real value of these bikes …I feel it’s utterly unfair to pay double the price here in Canada. IMO it’s not worth it.
In Australia a Speed Twin is twice the price of a Royal Enfield 650.
I bought a Triumph Speedmaster 4 years ago. Within a year the rims were rusting badly even though I cleaned the bike often and kept the bike under shelter. The gearbox would clunk terribly and it took away the enjoyment of riding it. The pegs scraped all the time. Totally pissed off with my Triumph I bought 2 Enfields for the price of the Speedmaster and I still had $5,000 (Australian) left over. Best bikes I've ever owned. Three years later there is not a pin prick of rust on either bike and I've had no mechanical problems after clocking up 15,000 kms each. So I remain a Royal Enfield man. Every time I ride my Enfields I have a big smile on my face.
Agreed.
I went to the triumph dealer to look at speed triples but they didn't have any!
Then I saw a Royal Enfield Baker Express! I took it around the parking lot and we signed the papers. The freaking speed triples are $20,000 or more I paid six grand even.
Now I've made over 20 changes on that bike and that's the cool part I think there's more aftermarket stuff for the Royal Enfield 650 then probably any other bike!
Being an American I made it into a cruiser! I had had a small set of engine guards but I bought the large engine guards and then cut the small ones up to make foot pegs and welded them on to the large engine guards moved the controls up to make it a heel shifter. Put on a windshield well first of all I got rid of that hard seat I got the gel saddle handguards heated grips handlebar risers new tires the old tires are garbage! Gel battery 20 different things anyway I counted. I have not had a mechanical problem with it at all.
He lives out in the shed got his own shed and little workshop.
He made me throw the electric bike out of the shed because the electric bike broke his headlight so I replaced that with an LED.
What a sweet machine nicest bike I've ever had and I've owned a lot of Kawasakis and Yamahas mostly!
I would recommend this bike to anybody anytime! And I always get compliments when I pull up to the grocery store wherever I go! 👍
That seems to be the common perception in the uk , with all the crap weather and road salt here the RE’s seem to last better than the triumph’s as far as i can tell but im not the only one my riding buddy has a Rocket that is around 5/6 years old and its dissolving a little more every winter and he doesn’t seem to be able to stop that from happening
@user-rd7qu8kk6d No most of uk bikers believe RE are just cheaply manufactured bikes, that lack power and rust quickly, Bonnie on the other hand have bullet proof engines, and there are still many 1960's models on the road.
Dang, really?! I had a Speedmaster as well, never had any rusting issues with it and I live in a really humid climate
Only own an Interceptor and to be perfectly honest, this is purely because it’s the only Motorcycle which looked like a Bonneville which I could afford.
After a couple of years of ownership and keeping it well looked after I’d be gutted to ever let it go. In fact, if I ever had extra cash I’d want to add the RE Signals 350 in my garage. 🙂
I've had my Interceptor for 9 months and about 2,400 miles. I'm still happy with it. It checks quite a few boxes for me: it looks great, sounds great, great gas mileage (about 55mpg) handles pretty well, lots of aftermarket stuff. It'll cruise all day at 75mph no problem. Power and torque are fine for most purposes. The brakes work fine, the ergonomics are fine. And it has an agreeable personality, like YM said.
But it's not a bike I'd want to ride to Alaska on. Or even 200 miles. The reason being that the suspension and seat are stiff. Kind of cobby. That's my only real complaint. Around town it's alright but it wouldn't be fun riding it all day long.
Still an honest and thoughtful review. One thumb up and a new subscriber.
I agree with this but with a few mods, it becomes great. I'd rather put money into this bike rather than my water cooled Triumph.
I bought my Interceptor new in 2019. I still love it but..... I totally agree with all your points. With the benefit of hindsight I would not have rushed out and bought it. However, I have over 8k miles and no leaking gaskets or anything bad to be honest. If I bought one today it would have the blacked out engine, alloy wheels and upgraded switchgear, that I would be happier with.
I have a Enfield intersepter having no problems..had it since 2019 ride it most days been all over England
I also have a 2019 Interceptor 650 bought new & my wife has a V7 Mk3 bought a month earlier. I have covered over 12K miles & the Interceprtor looks pretty much as new in all respects. It is garaged & gets the same care & attention as any other bike I have owned. Yes the polished alloy cases need polishing, but that is just part of ownership & is a whole lot easier than stripping off failed clearcoat as used to be required with Japanese bikes in a the '80s. Overall my wife's V7 V7 has more finish failure points that my RE - mainly fastners. A lot of the negatitivity here seems to be from your sample of 1 (neglected) example, just as my experience is of 1 bought new early example. The rather strange comment about "matching the paint" would not be an issue on my Orange example or other colour options - the silver mudguards were a standard part on all bikes. My bike has never leaked oil anywhere. Ultimately I chose the RE based on a test ride & an assesment of my needs - neither the Triumph or the MG met those needs so, while considered, were not persued. My wife is happy with her MG but would change for an RE - I am happy with my RE & would not change for (another - have had 3 previously) MG. Dealers are very much a local thing - my RE dealer is good, as is my wife's MG dealer (but an hour further away - MG dealers are sparse in the UK) but the MG costs nigh on twice as much to service as the RE & uses about 10-15% more fuel when we are out together. The MG also cost 25% more than the RE initially, but isn't 25% better. Ultimately what fits & works best for you is the right choice - I fit the RE better (the MG riding posistion creases me & the clutch lever has too heavy action) so that remains the best bike for me.
That's an interesting comparison to hear, thanks. Both the V7 and the interceptor are high on my list. I was leaning towards the interceptor but this review made me think again. Now your comments have swayed me back the other way! I'm going to go for it, if it didn't suit then i can always sell it on and get the Guzzi.
There are tons of interceptor 650 for sale in UK . Many of them because so many was sold and....even the cheapest and oldest one still looks good. Mine is 4 years, i dont keep it in garage, i replaced the only thing that was rusting and it was stock exhaust and headers. Rest of it is still in perfect condition.
You solved my confusion ,and i am going with Triumph .
The polished alloy on the interceptor can be polished/ repolished to bring its shine back where as the finish on the Bonneville is actually brushed alloy and lacquered so when the lacquer fails it cannot be simply repolished .I should also mention that you can now get the interceptor with black painted cases so that is now a mute point. As for the tank its stone chipped or damage from scratches or bird shit which can happen to any painted surface .Not really valid points in my opinion, I do own an interceptor and actually find the quality of finish very good except for the low quality switches although the new ones have also sorted that issue .
I put a deposit on the blacked-out Int 650 and should arrive either in February or March, God willing, here in San Diego.😎
@@artiecisneros4691 I hope it has the spoked wheels as the cast wheels I don't like the look of , they remind me of an 80's BMX ! .I'm sure you will enjoy it as much as I enjoy mine .
@@Dwainpipe21 Lol, you're funny...You hope the bike I'm getting has spoked wheels because you don't like the way they look? I hope I don't offend (joke) you but I prefer cast wheels and not spoked. I am certain you meant it as a joke, and it worked; it put a smile on my face and made me laughed when I read your reply. Take care and ride safe. 😎
@@artiecisneros4691 I'll probably pay for my regard of spoked wheels over cast (because of the classic look) when I get a puncture that's not as easy to repair and I am sat blubbing at the side of the road waiting for recovery. Still think they could have used a better design of wheel though , I've seen better looking cast wheels for example on the street twin still nothing in life is ever perfect and that's when modification comes in which the Enfield is absolutely ready for , I've already fitted a sump guard , st steel crash bars (small type) pannier rails and soft panniers, screen , continental GT touring seat , bar ends , anodised oil filler and brake master cylinder cap . If you haven't ridden one yet it really gives classic 60's brit twin feel and the handling is good even on the standard tires , no vibes also.As long as you accept it isn't a 600 sports bike it will pretty much do anything.....it sort of gets under your skin at least it did mine and I can't really see why I would ever sell it or what I would replace it with although I have to admit I have a soft spot for the new shotgun in white/ black .
@@Dwainpipe21 Back in November I was planning on getting the Super Meteor 650 but after a test ride and a couple of weeks for my back to recover from a small pothole, I decided to put a deposit on the Int 650. As far as the Shotgun, I don't like the looks. My all-time favorite was the 1990 Yamaha Virago 1100, wish I still had it. 😎
I do not have the chance to own 3 motorcycles, but luckily I am very satisfied of my Interceptor. I have been using it for now, more than 4 years, almost every day by all weather conditions and I didn't face your problems. After near 30000 km (sorry not in miles I am in France) the engine works even better every day . The paint , aluminium and chrome conditions are still very good , the chain still doesn't need to be changed even if RE recommends to change it every 25000 km. The only special care I do is to wipe it each time I used it under rain. I lubricate the chain frequently and I put wax on the metal parts (not the engine neither the exhausts) after I wash it only a few time yearly . Yes we have the chance in Paris area to have a very good proactive dealership doing maintenance (Tendance Roadster) with a dedicated and passionate team, that's may be the big difference . Anyway thank you for your comment and have good rides.
Ich stimme dir voll und ganz zu ich bin aus Deutschland und ich Poliere meine Interceptor und Wachse sie Regelmäßig und sie Glänzt wie ein Spiegel haha ich habe überhaupt keine Probleme mit ihr ich glaube es ist ein Problem der Leute mit viel Geld das sie ihre Schätze nicht richtig Pflegen und lieber herum Jammern 😄
He's in Toronto, Canada. They also use the metric system.
Seems like the right decision to me. It is really helpful to hear your take on the finish now that the model is several years old. It is a shortcoming of the mainline motorcycle media which at most, keeps a new bike for a year, so it is rare that quality issues arise within that time.
A fair and honest comparison, and your integrity is still in tact. Keep up the great work, Adrian.
Royal Enfield dealer in Staten Island, NY. I went on a Friday to look at some bikes, picked out a GT. Came back the following Tuesday with a cashier's check and the dealer closed up shop! Glad they did before I gave them my money!
Great comparison video, and loads of interesting points raised, subscribed!
Thanks for the thoughts from someone who's had these bikes for a long period of time. The corrosion is definitely something that puts me off the interceptor, and I've seen others talk about the same issue. I can also verify the popularity of it in terms of views on TH-cam. The views my interceptor video gets compared to the V7 is almost 10x.
I did a test ride on the Interceptor, the Super Meteor and the V7. After 100 meters on the V7 I knew that is the bike that gets my heart. The Enfields seem to miss too much of character and power. I can understand you.😁
Guzzi’s are the “girl” you never forget, the one who makes you think, wow, this is life! regardless of all the quirkyness of her, you keep loving her, she’s under your skin… well at least under my skin ;-)
Each to their own. My five-year-old Interceptor (owned from new) still looks good after 11k miles covered in spring/summer. Yes, the alloy engine casings do oxidise if you don't maintain & protect them, but part of the enjoyment of owning a modern classic is being able to do things like routine maintenance, polishing & waxing - without the reliability issues of an old bike.
Once you ride a Moto Guzzi I couldn’t imagine how anything else could feel better. For the style of bikes this comparison is for the Moto Guzzi had it won from the start. Unless you don’t love a bike with a ton of character and has you smiling every second you’re on it and looking at it. Guzzi for the win..l
I meant to add that I enjoyed the video and found it informative. As you say most reviewers rave about every bike they ride so your honesty is really helpful.
Yes you did the right decision! I have a 5 year old Honda that still looks like new, despite over 20'000 km in all kinds of weathers, including winter with salt on the street. I'd be disappointed to see my bike rust so soon... But I'm seriously thinking of trading it in for a V7 anyway, because the V7 is probably the most fun to ride bike I have tried. Though the Honda is better in all ways... except for the lack of a shaft drive!
Like the honest approach and thorough explanation for your decisions. Refreshing. Keep this kind of thing going. Agree with your choice.
All 3 bikes are excellent. I have an Interceptor, reasons for buying it were a £600 service on a bland BMW F900XR, price is 2/3 of a Triumph, a 20k mile service on a Bonneville is in the region of £1000. The Royal Enfield service is under £200, plus I can easily do it myself if I need to.
Speed limits in the UK are very restrictive, the Interceptor easily keeps up with any traffic, is economical, and not too difficult to keep in good condition. Basically, it’s a 1980s British Bike, which suits me fine.
Guzzi is lovely, my mates V85TT had a head gasket leak, it was off the road for 3 months before parts were available.
Triumph is the best build quality of the 3. I’d be happy with any of these bikes to be honest.
Tbh i never had any issue getting spare parts for Guzzi’s, and i have seen a lot in our workshop last 35 years… head gaskets on Guzzi’s also do not have a reputation to go early either… Guzzi’s tend to go for ages normally
I think your points are very valid. Let's be honest, we buy modern classics because of the looks. Wanting those looks to hold for years is going to be a big part of that feeling of pride of ownership. There are so many other bikes outside of this category that offer more for the price of these bikes new, but the iconic looks and feel of each of these bikes is why we are drawn to them. For any of us who also want to use these as daily riders it is great to know that bike will still be looking good after 5 years.
I have had my Sportster for 25 years and 400,000 miles on the original engine. It's rusty and the seat is covered in duct tape. It runs great and is my daily driver as I don't have a car.
Amazingly impressive
Was it 883 or 1200
It's a1999 883
I have a 2020 Interceptor and it still looks like new. All the chrome is still as good as day 1.
A very useful overview- thanks!
I have the same bike as you and it's been great. Take care of it and it will last for a long long time. That's the key, pride in ownership.
For sure, but some motorcycles have hardier finishes and are more forgiving of neglect than others, and that's worth letting people know.
In 2020, I rode the 650 INC and really liked it However, I did not like that the dealership was almost 2 hours away . I rode the Kawasaki w800 and went with the Japanese quality reputation besides really loving the bike. No regrets . I think you made the right decision.
Glad you put forward the issues with Royal Enfield and it takes balls to say it as well. I am from India and ik how People react when they hear anything bad being said about RE because ofc these bikes really do perform very well on Indian roads. But the bike is still far away from being a really high quality and reliable brand. I do own continental GT myself and have faced issues with the bike. But no doubt it is one of the best fun I've had riding a motorcycle. And RE is moving forward in better direction with their recent bikes.
Appreciate the honest take on the enfield
Became a subscriber after watching this video because you have gone with honesty around review over what's going to get the views. I appreciated your honesty and integrity.
Thank you for the unbiased honest review mate. Cheers!
I dont know why a yearly polish of the engine cases is such a big deal
Really good to see some honesty about this bike. I'm tired of the gushing reviews (and reviewers) of this bike. It has significant downsides and many people never raise any of them. I can see you're a stand up guy. Well done and subbed.
Thanks very much! On its own it's not a bad bike, it's fun and endearing, but I think it's still a step behind the other two... Considering I bought it used for more than the other two cost used, it had to go.
@@YouMotorcycle I think you made the right Choice. I had a 900 bonnie too and found it very vanilla. Guzzi all the way. I've had 2 of them and they make fantastic bikes.
When I bought my Ironhead XLH Sportster new back in 1977 the engine casings and fork sliders were lacquered. After the first winter of riding the elements had got under the lacquer so I stripped it off to enable me to keep it polished. I still own the bike and just give my aluminium wheels and engine cases a quick rub with Duraglit to keep them looking good. I hate lacquered aluminium, much prefer it bare. A lot of foreign chrome is cheaply done and not copper, nickel, chrome plated so won't last long. The chrome on my 77 XLH and 95 FLSTN is still good after all these years. Enjoyed the video.
I completely agree about bikes that are after 5 to 10 years just like knew. I would call them "keepers". Never rode a Triumph, but rode the Interceptor and the V7. I get your point bro. Keep going. This is a great and useful video.
I put my own money down on a 850 V7 a couple of years back and still have it, so that would be my answer!
Seal leak is nothing. Used to ride anXR600 and an XT 600 with lower gasket leaking. Due to bad break in. Its air cooled, so it means nothing at all. About the alu pitting, BMW is famous for that. Royal just needs a light elbow grease from time to time, like my Thunderbird 900 did back in the day, so no prob with that.I did enjoy it by the way. Every enduro owner knows that alu rims needs it from time to time. Godammit we are motorcyclists, not two wheel users. These bikes are the last of a kind, air cooled, plain bikes. No unreliable electronics just for impression, no unneeded "technology" for the lap-top consumer. We can compromise with that, as long as they keep making them. Agree with the rest of the vid, keep up the good job and thank you.
I would keep the Int650 and in fact am still looking for one. Most of the negative issues raised are subjective as you mentioned. And the aluminum issue is an easy fix, at least for me , with a few hours work and with a coating that would prevent future problems, with regular maintenance. Still a RE fan. D. 👍
I have a 2001 Honda Shadow I bought this year for $2k CDN, chrome is perfect, switches look good and work, paint is excellent but a couple chips here and there, seals all holding. 80k kms.
Two years ago I had to sell two of my four bikes to make room in the garage for another vehicle. Which of the four ended up on the chopping block? One was an easy choice. I bought a Honda VTX as a project to create a bobber. Once the project was finished, I rode it the least because I really don’t like riding heavy cruisers. I decided to keep my Ninja 1000 SX, my only sport bike. The decision came down to selling either my beloved 865 Bonneville SE or my Moto Guzzi Griso. I love the outright retro nature of the Bonnie, whereas the Griso has only retro touches like spoked wheels and a round headlight. But the Griso is brawny and the engine has way more character. Also I’m 6 feet tall, a little big for the mag wheeled Bonnie. The Griso is just bigger, which suits my taste. So my “retro” choice was to keep the Moto Guzzi Griso and to sell the Bonnie.
I have over 55 years of motorcycling behind me. As far as Italian bikes, I have owned a ducati 860, moto morini 500 camel, laverda 3cl 1000, cagiva 650, and currently have a 1989 Moto Guzzi Mille GT 1000 and a 2013 Moto Guzzi Stone 750. Have owned several German bikes to include BMW and Zundaps. Grew up with British bikes-meaning Triumph and BSA. Have never been interested in Harley. Owned several Suzuki's to include 2-stroke models and the Wankel rotary 500. The Moto Guzzis have been my favorite above all the rest. Quirky, reliable, tractor-like in that the Japanese "refinement" is not there. But if you love just being connected to machinery and sound, then Moto Guzzi!- By the way, because it is shaft driven and a new bike it takes some miles to break in the transmission as well as for the brakes to seat well--be patient--mike
Thanks for the insights Mike, appreciated!
"Cold and wet" like in the U.K. HOW DARE YOU ?😡😡
It's also really windy😂
I love this review -- realism over algorithm. My plan with the Interceptor is to have it for only 2 to 3 years. So hopefully the aging is not an issue for me.
Thanks and I think that's a good idea.
We just went through the same pattern of thoughts. Bought the 2019 int new ... loved it initially... but realized it wasnt aging well .. sold it and picked up a bonneville A3 (865). And i totally agree ... the bike ages extremely well !!
W800 owner here. I was going to buy a RE but ended up going with the W, partly because the build quality was visibly better (though Kawi prices the W accordingly!). The W still looks brand new.
Hope your MG wins!
I think your points are valid and could understand your decision. Each person has their preferences and what they're welling to put up with.
The seal leak is to bad. It sounds like you have the first year model and I think RE has been improving with time. I know it only had 218 miles and that means it sat around without much use for 5 years. Seals degrade faster when they aren't having the fluids ran by them regularly. I think this is one reason so many barn find classic bikes need restoration. People often don't think about this when they find that awesome 20 year old bike with only 2000 miles on it. I do agree 5 years doesn't sound like that long though.
I use my bikes as primary year round transportation in the PNW USA And bought the Interceptor 650 in October. I'm happy with it so far and was looking for something with a more relaxed feel over my 2007 Yamaha FZ6 I bought new. I was aware of the cons like the corrosion, which is still a slight concern. A big factor in the choice was having something I could comfortably do all the maintenance on myself and stock up on parts easily. After the pandemic and having service departments tell me it would be months before they could get my bike in for valve adjustment and months of back order for parts on my other bike, I was done relying on others.
If the case/valve cover corrosion becomes a big issue to me, I will probably buy some of the black ones they put on the newer models like the Super Meteor. The exhaust system will also probably be replaced with aftermarket in time too.
the best thing about the interceptor/gt650 is the cheap service costs and the way it looks.
the rest of it is for old timers who rarely ride their bike and love polishing the annoying aluminum casing over and over.
also my gt650 literally died on me after only 120km on the odo lol. had to get the whole bike replaced. luckily i have multiple bikes and have the option to switch it up whenever i feel like it.
You can't beat a Moto Guzzi V7 for ease of servicing, with a workshop manual and a few tools even a novice home mechanic can service and maintain the Guzzi, you don't even have to remove the tank or any bodywork to change plugs, perform valve checks, etc, so therefore it is very cheap to maintain.
You’re saying what I’ve been thinking all along - the Enfields are cheap and cheerful bikes, but not the sort of thing you’d proudly own and maintain for many years. They have a dedicated fanbase, but just not for me, thanks.
Great stuff ❤❤❤
This was a "no-brainer". The Royal Enfield wasn't made to compete with the V7 or the Bonneville. It was made to beat them on price and maintenance costs. In the long run, the Bonneville is the best bike... yeah... you get what you pay for. IMO, it depends on what you expect, and how long you plan on keeping the bike. I'm old... with a garage to put it in. That said, the Royal Enfield just isn't ready for my investment. As an old man, speed is a non-issue. The V7, with its character, is quite appealing. The real difference is available mods... to make it mine.
I was thinking about getting a royal Enfield, but then I realized I have a 1972 CB 750 that needs help. Perhaps I’ll just fix up the 72 because it’s got over 50,000 miles on it. Oh, and about that aluminum, get some 0000 steel wool and some mothers, aluminum polish and a terry cloth towel and use the mothers aluminum with the steel wall wipe off on the rough side of the Terry towel you will be amazed.
I have a 2006 Bonneville and for me it is a "for ever" bike. I will never get rid of it because I like riding and owning it so much. I had an older Royal Enfield and quality control issues forced me to sell it. RE is going to have to step up their quality control and fit & finish game if they want to entice me back into their fold.
I think your reasoning was just fine. Given your budget was gone with just buying the RE then you were really stuck with being able to make it yours, like we hopefully get to see you do with the other two! I just bought a RE Interceptor 650 and went in with "eyes wide open" to its shortcomings. My plan is to address those and make it something more fun to ride and look at. Thanks for the great content.
I'm not surprised, as a Royal Enfield owner I am disappointed but this is what I expected and I love your number 4 pros for the RE. I have a feeling the Guzzi is going to get it, this is why, its good enough that you can ride it and there is enough left over in the budget that you can make it the way you want it, also its not necessarily about the power, my wife and I were talking today while walking the dog about the 47 at the crank hp of the RE 650 and how it carried us around on the 401 and other just fine but I did point out how I liked having having that extra 15 or so hp in our Bonneville, I own a Bonnie and I own a RE GT 650 but not a Guzzi, you made an interesting point about the Guzzi being like drinking a beer. Anyway you asked if we agreed with what you did, Ya reluctantly I thought it was going to happen this way, I'm not surprised and I agree with you. Thanks for the vids and Josh and the rest at Classy Chassis is great bunch.
Here's is another point for getting rid of the Royal Enfield. As you said it is not a bad bike and it's the finishes that are it's downfall. For me it's the history. Growing up I always remember my older cousin pulling into the driveway on his Triumph Bonneville with his friend riding his Norton Commander. This lead me to love the British bikes So in a close race my thoughts are leaning that way. Cheers and love the series.
I agree with all that you've said. I've owned many 865 Triumphs over the years (Scrambler, Thruxton and Bonny) and ridden a few V7's... I bought a new RE Interceptor 650 a few years ago and sold it within a few months. I couldn't gel with the RE. I did a costs up of what I felt I'd need to modify to be satisfied and it wasn't financially worth the effort... An S&S 865 big bore and suspension upgrade would have cost me way more than buying a used Bonny already sorted with few goodies already added by a previous owner. Currently on a Bonny SE now and I have no complaints. It's a sweet bike with YSS suspension front and rear and I feel it's now perfect. The 360 degree firing order of the 865 sounds the best too 😊
Just FYI, The silver fenders were standard item across all colours for 2018. They were not meant to be colour matched.
You got a 2018 model, first model year. Quality should be much better now. Unfortunately that's true with most manufacturers. Even toyota limits the amount of changes in a new model to reduce the number of quality variables. For interceptor it was a brand new design ground up.
Given the fact that you already own the bikes in question, selling the Interceptor 650 makes the most sense. I have test rode them and they do seem like a fun bike and nearly pulled the trigger, but as you and others have said, it is made to a price point and that will start to show in a few years (that said, hopefully only cosmetic items and that they have focused the budget into the engine and frame etc). I went for an older 865 Bonnie over the 650 as I know those bikes will get to 100,000km. That's not to say that the Royal Enfields cannot, but they haven't been out for that long to see how they go long term. Still considering the classic/bullet 350 as a second bike for commuting, they look awesome.
Everything you said seems like sound reasoning to me :) The 865 Bonnies are a tried, tested, and true, for decades now... plus you can pick one up often for cheaper than the INT650, and get more bike, better finish, for less money. The INT does have better suspension than the Bonneville in my opinion, but with the money you save you can fix that. Speaking of which, I published a video today on upgrading the suspension on the Bonneville 865: th-cam.com/video/cz011K-Ixfc/w-d-xo.html
I discovered RE only 2 years ago and I was actually impressed at the quality of build for the price point. But unfortunately the price point means you are going to spend more time and effort maintaining it. It’s a trade off I’m willing to make for now. I actually uncovered my Interceptor today for the first time in 2 months and saw that my polished aluminum is looking pretty shoddy. I previously had a Klr that I left outside uncovered for 5 years, and besides a little sun fading on the plastics it was no worse for wear. I enjoy working on the bike for now but will probably eventually go back to a one that isn’t such high maintenance. Sounds to me like you made the right choice for your situation.
If you regard a little bit of elbow grease as high maintenance, I’m picking you don't do your own serviciing or repairs. (‘High maintenance’, Lord save us!)
And you don’t leave motorcycles outside uncovered without the alloy (if there is alloy) getting oxidised, unless you have a ton of clear coat over the top of it. If that’s the case, the UV rays in the sunlight will definitely turn the clear coat into a jaundiced yellow. I also seriously doubt the ‘a little sun fading on the plastics’ line, because as a Plastics technician for the past forty plus years, I know that UV rays DESTROY plastic like nothing else. I guess you might live in Alaska, or somehwere similar, but if not, the sunlight will definitely cause far more adamge than a little fading if it’s outside for 5 years.
@@BigAl53750 you seem to be having trouble with reading comprehension. I said I enjoy working on the bike. Meaning I do my own maintenance and repairs. The comment about high maintenance was referring to the constant care that the cases need, sure, but more so the frequency of valve checks and oil changes. Yes, Interceptors do require more maintenance than other bikes. But again, I enjoy working on it for now.
And the Klr wasn’t in full sun all day genius. It lived outside, mostly in the shade, and apart from some sun fading it was fine. There were no polished or other surfaces that required constant cleaning. I left the Interceptor uncovered one night after a ride and the speedometer dial has had moisture in it ever since.
Love the "old British men" and "young blonde women" part...so true!
The V7 also has a sketchy support network (It's italian, after all), but it's improving since Piaggio bought them. The good news is that the owner groups are amazing and I've never needed anything from a dealer. I can do all the maintenance. It will probably run forever.
Agreed. This is the first video I did on the work being done on the V7: th-cam.com/video/HNmJ6IjQkHI/w-d-xo.html - and in a couple weeks I should do a follow up video of EVERYTHING the V7 needed, stay tuned! :)
All valid points, sorry you chose to sell it. BTW, you're always welcome to ride mine - you know where to find me. I got the rear brake working properly (LOL)- another rebleed and we were good to go.
Nice on bike footage - some of it looked familiar !
You're the man. Thanks so much Scott! I owe you one
You owe me nothing - just keep up the great work !@@YouMotorcycle
I noticed the al oxidation of my mates 3yr old Int. The bike looks 10 yrs old. Pride of ownership for me is up there. Gd on you for pointing the flaws.
You have some very valid points. I have the Hunter and GT650 and like them both but I have four Hondas for my "daily" riding. I tinker with my Royals, I really like the looks of the bikes, performance is good for what I want from them. For me, both are "nitch" bikes in my garage. Was waiting and looking at buying the new Himalayan 452, but will go more "mainstream" with that purchase.
Thanks! Sounds like your garage is as full of bikes as mine. It's nice to meet someone else who suffers from the same illness haha.
New video in the series is finally up. If you're bored, check it out here: th-cam.com/video/cz011K-Ixfc/w-d-xo.html
Great video! i have a huge question : should i buy a second hand Triumph t100 with 35, some miles on it from 2010 or go for a new model 2024 Royal Enfield Interceptor ? what do you recommend?
Thanks!! If they're the same price I would go Interceptor, or neither and wait for a better deal.
You hit the nail on the head: initial quality does not a great bike make - it's what does it look like, how does it perform, how does it hold up years later?
I want to like Royal Enfields, but they're not my cup of tea, and the issues you bring up would drive me nuts. I still get compliments on my Street Glide 4 years later, that it looks like a new bike. And it's been mostly reliable [outside of eating bearings, tires and brakes... which could all be due to where I ride and how I ride].
I currently own a 2009 Triumph T100, a 2022 RE 350 chrome classic and a 2000 Kawasaki W650. I'm looking at selling the Triumph. A hard decision, but the RE is twice as economical, has a smoother gear change, a petrol indicator and just looks great. I have found the Triumph gearbox clunky and its disappointing that you have no gas indicator. I also like the metal mudguards on the RE compared to the plastic ones on the Triumph. The Triumph has aged well but at almost two years old the RE is still looking pretty good. The W650 is my favourite, although it has no petrol indicator, poor brakes and a mechanical gearchange compared to the RE. I just love the old school style and great handling characteristics. All bikes very reliable. As I said a hard decision.
I recently purchased a 2023 V7 Special so my opinion is a little biased lol. I'm new to this type of motorcycle (recently downgraded from an Indian RoadMaster) and have been enjoying your content. Of course I am rooting for the Moto Guzzi as the bike you eventually keep but the Triumph looks to be a great motorcycle. Look forward to following along with your project!!
Cheers
Kevin
My 2000 Triumph 900 Thunderbird really looks and still feels great. I clean and wax often and my guy Mac is awesome Triumph wrench. I was going for a Royal Enfield until you told the truth of so many videos I have watched.
Thanks man. Glad the Triumph has served you well and my video was helpful. It's always worth trying one out yourself, but I think going from the Thunderbird to the Interceptor would be going a little backwards. You'd be giving up a lot of horsepower and torque. What does Mac think of the 865cc Bonnies or the new 900 liquid cooled ones?
I live in TO, nice to see a creator from my home town. My ride is a Vulcan S and an S50. I've seen similar comments on the finish of RE bikes. The S50 (2006) still looks brand new. I'd have to move up to Harley or Indian to get a similar quality finish. The Vulcan is a price point machine and looks it, but a good performer.
Very cool! Nice to hear from my locals! S40s are hard to kill, trust me, my ex has one she loves neglecting lol
Before deciding on my T120 I talked to a lot of people. As you said it always came back to..whats it like after 3,5,10 years. Even people that I talked to that had REs noted that after a few years it looked pretty beat up (I live in the NE), and many had minor mechanical problems. I passed on the V7 because...good luck finding a dealership/service. There are like a dozen actual MG dealerships in the US...which leads into getting parts. The Triumph dealer is 10 min from my house. There is another one an hour away that has been around for like 20 years. We do have a RE dealer, but it has 2 or 3 star reviews, which also worried me. I think you nailed it about the many, many reviews being on brand new bikes. You made the right choice IMO, but I am also bias.
Absolutely spot on. I bought a new Continental GT and loved it for all those reasons but sold it after two years. Super fun, wonderful motor but the little cheap touches don't make for a bike you really fall in love with. The dealer network is pretty awful in my experience for exactly the reasons you state. I have had over forty bikes to date and the Continental was super fun but not a keeper. I am on my third BMW K75 , an 87 vintage and these bikes are so good at everything I want and are timelessly beautiful to my eyes. I live in Niagara and it is great to see a "local" on TH-cam. Great video..well done 😊
Thanks very much! I was just in Niagara on Wednesday and Thursday. Small world! 😄
Thank you for your honest opinion sir. I'd say sell your Interceptor with no regrets.
I can understand you selling the bike I own a 350 meteor and you have to accept on a cheap bike everything will not be top quality. The leaking gasket though could be down to the fact that it hasn’t had its first service and the bolts haven’t been re torqued .I have seen quite a few bikes of most makes that leak oil due to some manufacturing fault or a PDI not being done properly. That said if I was in your shoes I would have kept the triumph and the Guzzi as well. Andy did get ripped off by the dealership and in the UK dealers do come and go but there are quite a few that have been going for years but since the 650’s came out there have been more dealerships willing to stock the bikes and more people buying them . Royal Enfield have gone from a left field choice to a contender in the last 6 years.
I'm thinking of buying a new one, with painted side covers. Do you think that paint would last longer? Would you still sold your bike if side covers wouldnt be a problem?
This is a breath of fresh air.
It’s heavy slow and no resale value. The wheels and tyres need a tube???
Great honest review
Colm from Ireland 🇮🇪
I have a 2019 Interceptor and I'm still really happy with it. Yes, I polish the cases regularly, but I like having that contact with it. I test rode a Bonneville 885 and I thought the Interceptor was livelier (though that is completely subjective.) I have almost 8000 miles on it and it doesn't leak anything. The paint is all still good. I also have good dealership support in my area, so that helps. For full disclosure, I also added a Triumph Tiger 660 to my garage last year. And that bike is really amazing.
Great video 👍
I’m in the process of buying a modern-classic bike and I’m sensible to the « how does the bike age » point.
I like the interceptor, the new shotgun looks fantastic but « how does it age ».
I’m more on Triumph, the T100, and even the new scrambler 400X.
Have to try them !
Kawi W800 would be the one I'd go if I was going to buy a new Retro bike.
What do you guys think?📣 I know this isn't the most popular decision, but considering how poorly the 5 yr old Interceptor was looking compared to the near-perfect 15 yr old Bonneville, and the theft-recovery 10 yr old V7, I think this was the right choice for me. How bout you guys, what would you have picked? 🤔
The same as your choice, another great looking, relatively cheap and reliable bike is the Honda CL 500 Scrambler, even better if it had a 650 twin engine.
Cent/cent right..
Riding a 38YO std CI 350
The int/CR 650 is one of the premium of the RE lineup nd the company stretches it to be a global product pitching against triumph, Norton, motogucci, & so on. So they owe it to make it better off for the users.. !!
These days yhey spend loads on launch events and marketing than there opponents to sell a 2/3rd size 2wheeler.
Literally.
PS. I just got the new H450. Nd ... my love for the STD350 increased 😅😅😅
Credo che il problema sia proprio la lega di alluminio utilizzata... sulle Guzzi fino agli 80 era lo stesso problema. a occhio sulle nuove bicilindriche le parti in alluminio sono migliorate. E comunque ora e sempre viva Guzzi!
@@Crismont22 ciao, ho appena fatto un giro del bel paese quest'estate. Da Roma su a Mandello del Lario lago di Como e su fino alla Calabria. Una volta che ho finito questa serie, il giro d'Italia sulla BMW Giessina 650 sarà la prossima serie sul canale! Non vedo l'ora di cominciare!
e io non vedo l'ora di vederla. io vivo in Piemonte, poco più a est di Mandello. Come conosci l'italiano?@@YouMotorcycle
Comparing the Royal Enfield Interceptor and the Triumph Bonneville is like comparing chalk and cheese.
Appreciate your honest opinions and I agree with you on all points.
Yea I've always been puzzled as to why folk see them in the same light. The refreshing thing about the RE, is that it was cheap... So you have to look after it a lot more.
@@Grahamvfr "Was cheap" 😕 In India there is a commonly used phrase - Cheap and Best! RE is neither.
@@RajA-wi2ut indeed, but cheap is not necessarily a monetary term.. But I take your point and agreed with your sentiments 👍
I have a 2023 MG V7 850 and a 2021 RE Continental GT. 650. Both have their place in my collection and both get ridden when I'm in the mood. Both bikes are flawed but both have an endearing quality that more than makes up for the quirky nature of their characters. I'd say the RE is popular with buyers BECAUSE they need a little TLC to keep them in good condition. When you are retired, like a lot of owners, what else are you going to do? Polishing stuff is a nice way to spend a few hours when you have time on your hands. An example of where RE has a winning formula is this. The chrome headlamp bucket will eventually go rusty if you leave it outside. A Brand new one from a dealer, cost £17.00. Yes, £17.00. Plus, the RE is made to EXACTLY the same quality standards as bikes from a bygone age with a bit of modernity thrown in. You can pretend it is an old bike, just without having to kick start the thing! 😁😁.
I own A V7 Racer ii that I've had for 7 years now, and absolutely love. It's never been to a dealer, I service it myself and that's one of the joys of the V7, it's so simple to maintain. Mine is six speed, so takes away one of your negatives. It also has aftermarket exhaust (Mistral), upgraded suspension, and a few other mods to make it perfect for me. Ive no plans to sell it, although recently I did wonder if the new V100 Mandello could replace both my V7 and my KTM 790 adventure. I need a test ride.
The Triumphs are really well made, but the modern Bonneville has never appealed. To me it's a modern pastiche and feels less genuine than the Guzzi. Also, in the UK if you ride a Triumph every time you stop somewhere you get some old guys telling you about how they used to own one. Sometimes that can lead to a great conversation, but it also gets wearing. I've looked at the Interceptor many times, and have been impressed by it. We have a really good long established local dealer, so if buying new that would influence me. I do agree with you that it looks more built to a price point. Some of the fittings and fasteners look really cheap, but also fairly cheap to rectify. Disappointing about the paint and chrome though. The point I disagree about is the raw polished aluminium. If you spend time washing and detailing a bike, why not spend another 15 minutes polishing the casings? I prefer the look of polished aluminium to lacquered. And a stone chip, or corrosion getting under the edges of the lacquer is harder to rectify.
I love the V7 Racer gorgeous looking bikes. I've added a chrome tank, spoked wheels, upgraded shocks, and made various other improvements to my V7 II Stone. I too service my V7 myself, its just so easy to work on. Great bikes, I don't think I could ever part with mine.
Great video series. I bought an Interceptor a year ago after having not owned a bike for 40 years. I did my research and decided that the 650 was the perfect bike to get back into motorcycling. I couldn't be happier with it so far, I've done quite a few mods to it to make it "mine", parts are relatively inexpensive and it's definitely easy to mod. The thing is, the RE you bought was used, you know nothing of its history other than it had VERY low mileage which is the worst thing you can do to a vehicle, IE gaskets failing. It surely does look like it's been stored outside or otherwise exposed to the elements. Mine has been flawless for 4000 miles and always puts a grin on my face when I ride it!
Congrats on the Interceptor! It's a great getting-back-into-riding bike, especially if you've been gone for 40+ years. You won't know what you're missing compared to the current spec stuff (latest V7 and T100 for example, not the ones in this series), and everything will be way better than when you left! I'm glad it's working well for you and you're enjoying it. I finally got out another video for this series today, it's up here: th-cam.com/video/cz011K-Ixfc/w-d-xo.html
Great review , I have the same attitude as yourself to bikes/riding/improving etc . Down here (NZ) kawasaki W650's are cheaper than RE650's , so I have one and it's quality is pretty good given that it's20yrs-old now and still looks great . It's a bit gutless (50hp) but it's light , nimble and takes a good-thrash without dying . My TR1 XV1000 (1982-chain-drive ) is a torque-beast
Personally, it I had Moto Guzzi V7 and a Bonneville, I would be pretty happy and I don't know why you would have brought the Interceptor, unless it was just for the views.
There are reasons to like and dislike the INT650. I just don’t think you hit on them very well. First off, of the three bikes, it’s the closest to a true retro motorcycle, which is why the cast aluminum is more in keeping with being retro, not brushed or added sealers. The older Bonnies had the exact same which required polishing as well. That’s part of ownership. It’s also air cooled. Water cooled engines are not retro. It also has spoked rims and tubed tires, also retro. It’s also significantly easier to do maintenance yourself compared to any other bike it it’s category. The tank issue I truly believe is neglect. I’ve not seen or heard of any real complaints with any newer finishes on RE bikes, but I have on the much older models. If anything, they regularly get very high marks for paint quality these days. But hey, if people leave a bike outside uncovered, or neglect it, that’s going to happen to any motorcycle finish. I would suggest a ceramic coating. There’s no sags, fisheyes, or blemishes that I’ve seen, and enough millage in coats and primers to suffice. This is actually one of their stronger points. Now, none of that may be something people are looking for, but they are for people looking for a true retro motorcycle that isn’t actually retro. Of the 3, it is far and away the more true retro motorcycle. I think that bears mentioning.
Where I live, used RE650's that are 2-4 yrs old won't sell for any decent value because where I live is more humid than UK. There's rust on them, & the pitting is absolutely obvious. Not worth for resale. Also, if you're going to dispute for "Full retro", then Royal Enfield needs to read the forums complaining about lack of kickstart. They also don't have it in carbiretors anymore, EFI is also not retro. It's tubed because it's spokes, and the spokes rims are because they're made for rough roads. Same reason as dirt bikes, not so much "retro".
More retro than a Guzzi V7, sounds like you haven't even seen one yet alone ridden one. The V7 is not retro inspired it's still the same old design as the original with all its charm and limitations. Love is blind and the bike that makes you happy is the right bike for you. Big fan of the ceramic coating works fantastic.
I would keep the interceptor , I've got one and love it. I enjoy polishing the bare aluminium cases, they come up great. I have looked after a friend's 865 triumph service wise for years and it has been blowing fork seals since 5k every 5k, only real fix is replace fork legs, so I don't want the poor quality triumph offers.
I've had an 1100 guzzi and my brother had a 500 then a 750 guzzi, so I am familiar with them and their clunky gearboxes, so no thanks.
As for dealers, who needs them, I do all my own work, always, I'm the only mechanic I trust.
I feel for you people under 60 who can't fix it yourself but thanks for the comparison.
Just completed 10,000km service on my interceptor, no oil leaks, no issues, we just ride out here surounded by great mountain roads in Armidale Australia.
I agree with your decision. I had an Interceptor for 6 months, it was ok but not a long term keeper. Had to get clocks replaced under warranty, forks were not good, used a bit of oil, Ceat tyres were awful, so decided to sell it while it still had a years warranty on it.
Guzzi and Triumph definitely better bikes, I would be proud to own either.
The quality depends on getting the design right in the first place. Then it’s about the accuracy of the manufacturing and the right material specifications.
It’s not that expensive to produce something that looks beautiful and shiny on the outside but is poor quality under the skin. Very thin chrome and paint on top of poorly treated metal are typical ways of cost saving. Deeper in the engine the strength and wear properties of the metal comes into play and sub optimal materials save money. A lot of money can also be saved by using backstreet workshops to supply some of the parts. After a time it all starts to show.
On the issue of aluminium, there are hundreds of alloys of it.
Many people prefer the aluminium covers unvarnished as the polished metal looks more beautiful. It’s also satisfying to polish if you are that dedicated.
Thanks for the Honest review!.. Here in India Royal Enfiled equals issues & frequent visit to service centres.. One of the biggest reasons I have no interest in RE 🤷♀️
Bought the little Triumph Speed 400 & its been near 6 months & Im very happy with it!..
Hey, thanks for your sharing your experience as a rider in India. That's really interesting insight into what the market is like over there. I really like the new 400s from Triumph. I'm glad to hear yours is working out well for you.
Your reviews are great, and I agree with your opinions. In the UK the Enfield can be purchased new OTR for £5,500 and the Guzzi for £7,250, but the quality in the build is more than worth the extra for the Guzzi. The Enfield only becomes a bargain when its a lot cheaper, used and your on a budget. P.S. Keep up the good work. 😎
The Guzzi for £7250? I see them start at £8200.
In the UK, on Autotrader £6,995 + OTR.
I only test rode the Intercepter. I purchased a previous year new old stock Bonneville T100 and it was a nicer bike for not much more. I also have a Scout but really love the Bonneville cause of the heritage of the bike and the looks. Heritage of the bike was important to me. No issues but only 1 year of ownership of it and 1500 miles. Interceptor I read still has some DIY fixes you have to do to it like the relay grease. Fit and finish of the Bonnie is just so much better as you pointed out. Balance and agility of the 2022 Bonnie T100 is SO nice. I'm an older rider and not a crotch rocket guy.
Great real-life observations about the details that make or break a relationship with a motorcycle. I probably would value the "keepability" of your three bikes the same way you do, I think, and for the same reasons. Better finishes, sealants, etc., are a huge deal. I currently have a '21 V7 850 and a '13 F800GT, and they both have the little finishing touches that make you admire them every time you look at them, not to mention whatever those other qualities are that make you feel the machine is "substantial," for lack of a better term. Those attractions don't fade, even after years.
Very fair review of the Interceptor. I own it as well & am getting ready to buy either a Bonneville or V7 to replace it. New sub for being legit.
Thanks so much for the kind words! I finally put a new video out in the series today. It's here if you're bored later on and want to check it out. I found three ways to upgrade the Triumph Bonneville's suspension for under $100... (two of them actually worked, too! lol... mostly...) th-cam.com/video/cz011K-Ixfc/w-d-xo.html
I agree with you 100% on the issue of the low quality materials Royal Enfield. My headers are rusting at the cooling fins. It is important to understand that they are made to a price point. For me the downsides are off-set by the smiles per mile I'm getting but I had to spend to upgrade the suspension and tires and this really transformed the bike. Perhaps what Royal Enfield could have done was to offer a premium version of the Interceptor with premium finish, and better components like full Brembo brakes and Ohlins suspension. At the end of the day, this bike makes me smile as much as its stable mates (XT1200Z & VFR1200F).
I love the idea of RE offering a more premium version and truly making this bike for a global audience with the tastes (and let's be honest, pickiness) of a global audience.
Yeah, I'm a bit like you, don't feel the need to go fast everywhere, but do want to know that I can if I want to. For me, the minimum top speed of a bike needs to be 180-200 km/h, and it needs to get there reasonably quickly.
I hear you brother, I also sold my Interceptor, just didn't like the way it felt on the road, too skittish and not planted enough for my liking. I have a Super Meteor on order 🙂
The interceptor handles better than the super meteor so I don't understand your reasoning ? However I like both and own an interceptor at present so wish you the best with your new purchase ....enjoy ( just waiting for the sunny days to arrive) .
My 535 felt the same way till I adjusted to the correct [and surprisingly low] tyre pressures.....
Very refreshing to see real users comments, I like all three bikes, own a meteor 350 and V85, Meteor has painted engine cases, so seems R E have noted the issues, but exhaust collector box rusty, but live in Uk with salty roads and it has done 9000 miles and been otherwise pretty faultless.
I wanted this motorcycle for years now but then 4th degree burns in a fire to my right hand and foot changed all that for a couple of years. The reason that I wanted one was because I owned and built several Triumphs and a BSA from the early 70s and a 1982 Bonnevile that was stolen in Detroit. Those bikes had the same as the Interceptors non clear coated cases and covers, In those days no one ever complained about polishing them and a new paint job or two over several years was something that we did to customise to taste.
Usually a few buddies would come over and youd tune and polish your bikes durring the winter while chuggin a few beers together and wala it was time to get the party started, no bitchin about that. So for some I guess its a pain in the ass however for us it was fun times. Remember in the 50s Indias Royal Enfield plant started with all Brittish machinery and tooling and kept the old school Brittish bike vibe alive. The Interceptor I think is intentionally using many of the same alloys as the Brittish bikes of old and for some that aint all bad. Cool you got 2 european bikes i have a Motoguzzi Nevada 750 and mine is the first video Bing shows in the review video to my great surprise. Thanks for your video and as i dont agree with all of your thoughts (as Im sure many will dissagree with mine) its a great video. Ride safe.