Did Thrawn Know Palpatine and Vader Were Sith Lords?
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The Non-Canon Expert describes the knowledge that Grand Admiral Thrawn possessed that would lead him to understand that both Emperor Palpatine and Darth Vader were Sith Lords with relative certainty!
The red lightsabers, black armour and robes, evil laughter and glowing, amber eyes might be a bit of a dead giveaway. Might.
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Perhaps...
Oh, I thought you was going to said.
"Hand-Me down black Armor, cloak, glowing yellow eyes, and red lightsaber, you must be an Sith."
Edit: well, there my bad joke.....I'm out of here.
@Wilson Jakob Wow. You bots are getting clever. You're even having conversations with each other.
4:15 The Emperor introduces Vader as ''Darth'' a title only given to a Sith Lord.
That is just a dead give away.
Skurai1982 yeah but that wasn't exactly common knowledge in that time
Payne Syler true but knowing cultures and traditions was thrawns thing
He knew about the Jedi and Sith but probably not specifics or extensively because the Emperor forbid most information about the two during the Empire's reign.
When in doubt, simply assume that Thrawn knows everything. Of course, you might then be overestimating Thrawn, which can be a hindrance in and of itself. Therefore, Thrawn's intelligence alone causes confusion in his enemies.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say yes
JMess 00 vader be triggered
I agree but it would’ve made any difference
What kind of relationship did Thrawn and Tarkin have? I imagine they would have respected each other, but I can't see them as friends or as capable of working as well together as Vader plus Tarkin or Vader plus Thrawn.
I would also like want to know more about this
Well Tarkin favoured Tie Defenders over Deathstar until first demonstration of Death star he almost got convinced the thing would never work.
I’ve read The Tarkin Book and The Thrawn
and neither seem to think about each other which I’ve always found
weird since the three are so close
to Palpatine. The closest
we get is Thrawn wants more
x-wings and thinks it’s a better investment than The Death Star but that’s an economic and military disagreement. There’s no thoughts about the man himself. I actually think if Thrawn beard Tarkins story about passing into man hood on his planet he would at the very least respect him as a fierce warrior, and recognize that he is just as cold and calculating as he is.
well Tarkin book is "old" there was no canon Thrawn when it was written. thus explanaition for you.
as far as Thrawn book -well most of the time in first one Tarkin is kind of aware of Thrawn - and he seems to particulary like him - a competent military officer who manages to emberass anyone in his way, but politicaly "weak" (with Eli Vanto smoothing stuff for him and saving Thrawn over and over)
He throws himself in with Pryce not really with Thrawn... and well removes the moff who tries to stonewall Thrawn and gets Eli long overdue promotion...
I really loved that scene in the book where Eli gets the Lieutenant commander rank from ensing.
Paerigos I forgot the promotion oops. So I guess he is paying attention to Thrawn. SN I hate the “legends “ books that haven’t been contradicted explicitly in Cannon such as Plagueis. They are both really good stories but remain Schrödinger's book. They are both cannon and legend at the same time until the box is opened.
You made me a big fan of thrawn. Keep up the good work.
That's so awesome to hear Devin. :)
Thank you for watching and for the support, it is very much appreciated!
Thrawn would have known that both Vader and Dooku used the title Darth. I don't think it would take Thrawn much research to find out where that title came from.
The big question is, was Thrawn one of the force sensitive children? He said usually females had force sensitivity, but there were some exceptions. Was he that? It explains a lot. How he would be so adept to his profession. Vader noted how the Chiss Children's minds were like Thrawn's. As interesting as it could be, I really hope he wasn't. You need someone like Thrawn outside the force just to show how remarkable they are.
Edward Wakefield I don’t think so it was heavily implied those kids were killed once they lost their force sensitivity. And Thrawn is quite a genius but we don’t really have other Chis to compare him with to argue he was spared because he was a genius. Of course it’s implied the thing about them being discarded could be they go back to unimportant work but I doubt it. I’m leaning 80 percent they kill them 20 percent they don’t
If his genius was force amplified or something then he should be negatively effected(a worse general) by the presence of his ysalmari...but hes aparently not so im gonna say no
@@slytherpuff1 The Force is hereditary.
Killing those who expressed the trait would result in Chiss having lower rates as time went on.
Just like the Jedi were not celibate, but were unattached, and new Force sensitives were constantly being born in the Core worlds, but when the Jedi were wiped out this seemed to die down.
It seems illogical to take the risk with a potential source of something so useful.
@@cassandrabelyeu2419 I’ve since re-thought that comment actually but forgot about it, so thanks for reminding me. When. killing one of the force sensitive s was prooosed as.a last resort if captured that mere thought of killing them seemed to of shook the Chiss. It could be because of their usefulness but I’ve sense grown on the idea that they are actually fond of them. They are children for the most part after all. And you’re right killing them could dilute genetic pools.
@@slytherpuff1 Oh!
I don’t remember that at all-good catch!
A Sith LORD?
Take a seat, young sith lord
I liked most when Tim Zahn says he wrote the two books to be compatible with both Legends and new cannon.
Not a bad vid, can you do a video about Palpatine’s Dark Side Adepts and a video on Palpatine’s visits to Korriban?
Thrawn could have very easily learned that historically, there had been two major religions competing in the galaxy. Once it became clear that Palpatine had supernatural powers, guessing that Palpatine, who had publicly announced that the Jedi were traitors to be hunted and killed, was a Sith would be easy.
The real question is how accurate Thrawn's knowledge was. As an outsider to the galaxy, Thrawn's knowledge of the Jedi and Sith would have to come from heavily censored and revised sources. In addition, information about the ancient Sith Empire would have likely been out of date.
I absolutely agree with your analysis. There is no way such a brilliant person would not know.
"so there you have it" lol love ur videos
The tension towards the end of Alliances was great. Thrawn pushed Vader to the ultimate limit. He even toyed with Vader, letting him know that he knew who he once was. Vader's internal admission of this....MORE!
Vader searched his feelings to kill him there IF he was joking or not. Fortunately for the blue man, he was not
Thrawn isn’t the type to make assumptions about everything, not convinced he knew they were Sith Lords
I have only recently found this channel and I love it. Your information and theory are awesome. Thank you.
Silver lightsaber are my favorite great vid and commentary.
seconded...
My man Thrawn knows everything so yeah he probs knew.....
Fabio Thrawn is hot
One could say your hotter. Sexy and Love's star wars
Just don't say Disney wars shit is better than good ole legends
madbear3512 ehh i like Legends
Sabrina Zanoletti
Your like the perfect girl. Hot and can nerd out
madbear3512 ah im not but thanks lol
"Vader was the one truly loyal to Palpatine" lol
Could you discuss why Thrawn was willing to join an empire that was a highly anti alien?
For one, Humanoid aliens didn't suffer as much racism as non-Humanoid aliens. The Chiss for all intents and purposes just look Human but with blue skin and red eyes, species such as the Chiss weren't really the main target of prejudice within the Empire as opposed to say... Jawas or Hutts who were very un-Human looking. Secondly, Thrawn was much more concerned with the Yuuzhon Vong of whom the Chiss lived very close to in the Unknown Regions and he wanted to make an alliance with the Empire to save his species from them, so he was able to put aside his pride and any other misgivings he might of had about the Empire due to this.
Or grysks in canon. I haven't read those legend novels yet, so idk about vong, yet. I will.@@keighlancoe5933
I was thinking in the book about
how Padme didn’t think there would be any stopping Anakin from destroying that mine, and she flash backed to
what he did to the Tuscan Raiders. It makes me wonder how close to the events of The Revenge of the Sith we were. She seemed to have hesitation about being with him and if makes me wonder if a certain pregnancy perhaps made her double down on being with him.
So do you have any hints or thoughts
of the timeline ?
The real question is whether Thrawn believed them to be a net positive or negative on the galaxy.
I think it was obvious for em. He not dumb. Didn't he studied the Jedi and sith for that matter
Didn't Palpatine come right out and say he sensed a disturbance, which turned out to be the Force-sensitive Chiss children? That would at least have confirmed to Thrawn the Emperor was Force-sensitive, something the rest of the Empire didn't know.
People are discussing in " a matter of fact way" that everyone in the Galaxy actively knew what the Sith were.
Clone Wars
Very few people remembered the Sith just before the Clone Wars
The Sith had been 'extinct' for 800 plus years. Even members from the Jedi Council did not and would not believe the Sith had returned.
Sidious was correct 8n saying 'arrogance blinds you. '
Even when Qui-Gonn tells the Council, he fought someone well versed in the Jedi arts, BUT, had the hallmarks of a Sith . . . was not believed
Novel - Death Star
NOTE - Anyone asking about the Force, was OR knew of anyone who was Force sensitive, asked about midi-chlorians, the Jedi, asked way too many questions about what exactly happened on the night of Order 66, etc was reported to the Inquisitors or Darth Vader.
In the novel Death Star, one unfortunate person accidentally stumbles across the term midi-chlorians.
Spoiler Alert . . . that enquiring mind, unfortunately, was sent to a slave labour/prison planet by Vader.
That particular person got lucky as
. . . you have to read the novel to find out what happens.
Thrawn knew both Vader and Sidious were Sith.
However, being a very astute man, he very cautiously asked Vader.
Thrawn wanted to know what the two Sith were up to.
The way Thrawn asked was brilliant. He came across as genuinely interested, respectful, and as NO threat to either Vader or Sidious.
Remember in the Old Republic the Sith allied with the chiss
Aside from the obvious things that made them seem like sithlords, I’m sure a man of his intellect figured it out rather quickly.
Great video, SWRC.
Can you do a video about the vision Osvald Teshik saw when he was nearly killed by the Hapans?
Let's skip over inferences... follows with inferences lol good video but that was funny I love this channel
Any chance you'll do something on Baron Soontir Fel? I cant find much on him but seems like a fascinating story
Great video like always.
Star wars reading club I believe that throne knows what a Sith is because the chase ascendancy closely worked with the ancient Sith Empire during the Old Republic era and sick Lord Darth malgus and sit Lord who was also a Sith dark counselor Darth Maul worked alongside the chest ascendancy in order to gain information on their enemies in order to defend the empire
1:37 - 1:41 awesome rap line
It's gonna be interesting to see in the live action format if Thrawn and Vader get a flashback scene together.
If not for me, do it for Darth Sallow
I agree! Great analysis!
One of my favorites
You used only canon material here, so did he know in Legends?
thrawn: I KNEW IT!!! haha
Nothing got past Thrawn.
I wonder if part of Thrawns plans was bringing Anakin back to the light? I kind of doubt it though.
Can you make a video on explaining how powerful Palpatine really was?
I left a like for *I guess there isn't a way to know everything*
I honestly think that Thrawn would have known Palpatine and Vader are Sith based off of the certain details that were presented to him. Yeah, they may not have told him outright, but I would believe in the very least that he would have pieced that much of the puzzle together. This is Thrawn we're talking about after all. Not many people can get much pass him.
Thrown shoulda kept his long hair.
R. Chase military uniform requires short hair
He does look sexy with long hair...
Raghuvar Vasudev opinions are opinions
Who's thrown?
If not for meEeEeEe.....for my big brown eye!
What is the significance of the white serpent-like creatures on Thrawn's ship?
departed402 not sure specifically what you mean but if their little lizard things their ysalmari whats give a kinda of bubble of non-force so hes immune to force abilities while in their presence he almost always has one on his shoulder
Are all Chiss super intelligent like Thrawn, or was a truly special guy?
Ok...he knows way TOO much.
Thrawn knew Vader was no Sith but a Rebel Spy like him
What if thrawn found out about palpatine and told jedi? Would palpatine sensed it before it actually happens? Anyways great videos as always 💯
At 5.30 in the morning trying to get a baby to sleep and being dog tired, I thought it said Sith lovers, not Sith Lords. Mind you, it would explain a lot. They do argue like a married couple. Do you think Palpatine is actually jealous about Vaders kids from his previous relationship.
I don't see how he couldn't have known. In fact *everyone* should have known when you think about it, Vader was referred to as Lord or Darth publicly and he wielded a red lightsaber.
In Lords of the Sith Vader specifically recognizes that anyone who sees Palpatine that isn’t in the inner circle wield a light saber is killed. it was kind of brutal plot point for Vader considering what happened in the end. And shortly after order 66 he’s scene burning many lightsabers so I think it would take more people by surprise than you think - it would seem hypocritical. Than again Vader isn’t hiding his saber so that might seem odd for your right hand man to have one after all that. Other than that though any citizen who glimpses it is sadly killed.
Of course thrawn new that the emperor and Vader we're sith that or he didn't care to know tbh!!
Thrawn learn that Anakin is Darth Vader a Sith Lord The Galactic Empire =Sith.
Wait, I thought the Chis knew nothing about the Jedi and the Sith... or am I misremembering?
Im buying thrawn alliances online for like ten bucks buddy yeah
If Thrawn knew of their allegence to the dark side of the force why did he join them?
Wait, didn't Thrawn not know of Palpatine's reincarnatiooooowait...... this is canon, not legends......
darth vader was sith puppet not lord :D
Shit lords
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