Pick a Notes App: Your Notetaking Style (Part 1)
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There's a perfect notes app out there for you. BUT if you don't enjoy using your notetaking app, it will become a digital graveyard. In this video, I'll teach you the 4 notetaking styles (and the best app to accompany each style).
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• PART 1: • Pick a Notes App: Your...
• PART 2: • 75% of Notetakers Use ...
• PART 3: • Top 68 Apps to Take Di...
• PART 4: • The First 30 Days Usin...
CHAPTERS
00:00 How to Pick a Notes App That Will Increase Productivity?
00:18 The 3 Steps to Picking the Right Notes App
00:46 What is a Second Brain?
01:49 The 3 Notetaking Archetypes
01:53 The Architect Archetype
02:23 The Gardener Archetype
03:27 The Librarian Archetype
05:28 The 4 Most Recognized Notetaking Apps
06:08 The Student Archetype
07:16 What Notetaking Archetype Are You?
🪴 GARDENERS
• Obsidian: obsidian.md/
• Roam Research: roamresearch.com/
• Logseq: logseq.com/
🏙 ARCHITECTS
• Notion: affiliate.notion.so/fortelabs (affiliate link)
📕 NOTES APPS FOR LIBRARIANS
• Evernote: evernote.com/
• OneNote: www.microsoft.com/en-ca/micro...
✏️ NOTES APPS FOR STUDENTS
• Apple Notes: www.icloud.com/notes
• Notability: notability.com/
• SimpleNote: simplenote.com/
• Google Keep: keep.google.com/
SOURCES (in order of appearance):
• Linking Your Thinking (Nick Milo, Obsidian Expert): @linkingyourthinking
• Notion (Official App Channel): @Notion
• Anne-Laure (Ness Labs): @neuranne
• Thomas Frank Explains (Thomas Frank, Notion Expert): @ThomasFrankExplains
• Logseq Channel (Ramses Oudt): @Logseq
• Bryan Jenks (Tech + Obsidian Expert): @BryanJenks
• Matthew Gilbertson (OneNote Expert - Oztabletpc Channel): @oztabletpc
• Marc Koenig (Roam Research): @MarcKoenig
• Sara Dietschy (Apple Notes + Tech): @saradietschy
• Ali Abdaal (Notability + Tech): @aliabdaal
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Those feel like phases of note taking rather than archetypes for me. Librarian is stage 1 (collecting info), Architect is stage 2 (organizing info), Gardener is stage 3 (digesting info and making connections). I think each is lost without the other 2.
Very interesting!
I'd argue the phases of notetaking are deeper and more universal than any one archetype - in Building a Second Brain we orient everything around 4 phases of information Capture, Organize, Distill, and Express - but the idea that each archetype would gravitate to one of those phases is a fun twist
@@TiagoForte Are you using specific apps for each phase of CODE? If so, which apps and how?
@@TiagoForte I think that these three are not in a clash that couldn’t be together, for me I go between different types. It depends on what kind of stuff I’m into. If it comes to really loose knowledge that I don’t need to think that much, I would wander it like a gardener. When it comes to very hard core knowledge, I tend to process it in my head instead of writing it down then after a hard processing, write down a full conclusion. When it comes to something that requires organisation, if it could be a team work or something that I know that I’m truly going to need to prioritise it or something that needs that more rigid organisation, it comes to the architect style. I doubt if any of these type must be happening only one of the same person because I think that the tools come in handy when it comes to how do we use that certain type of tool and that certain type of use case, or so call how that brain works. I’m just probably saying it too soon, I’ll continue to watch all of your videos on how to choose a note taking tool. Thanks for the inspiring video!
This. Researchers do gardeners like Notetaking, but later need Librarian style Notetaking.
@@wilsonlyt5765 I completely agree with what you're saying. For many, I believe that there is no single archetype - it all depends on the information and content you're working with and how you value that information and the purpose that information holds. This video definitely gives insight to these 4 buckets but I think people switch between them more often. This has been a an insightful video indeed.
As a retired, but busy, person, understanding the potential of all this technology is a challenge. I’ve had several of the mentioned notetaking apps on my iPad but have never made good use of them. This tutorial is outstanding…realizing that I’m a librarian is a first step. Thank you for your kind help.
Am I the only one who thinks this man looks like Elon musk?
Was just thinking the same. Like a younger brother.
Yeah, I thought the same.
I saw a picture recently and thought it was Tiago and it was Elon.
Please don't insult Mr. Forte.
M a librarian
I saw the earlier video on these archetypes. It helped me decide to transition from OneNote to Roam Research. The biggest benefit so far is rethinking the concept of "pages". In OneNote I hated to make a page with just a few words or mix multiple issues on one page. In Roam, "pages" are made almost without trying and are out of sight until you need them. I can put anything anywhere in there and trust it will show up in the best context when I need it.
I see myself identifying with all three, I think that makes me a student archetype however, I think that's because I'm at a HUGE crossroad in my life where I feel compelled to learn so much in a short time. But I must say my heart fluttered when I heard the of the Gardener archetype. I believe in the next 2 years that will be my primary archetype. This is a great discovery!
I'm definitely a librarian in terms of how I do notetaking. For me it's about categorizing notes and articles for fast retrieval later. Also a huge Evernote fan and have really come to love the Web Clipper. It works fantastically!
I actually grinned when you started explaining the Librarian. There's something just so comforting about this archetype for me. I'm obsessed with just researching things and collecting things and "knowing" things and sharing things. That's a lot of things! Lovely video! I'll be returning for more of your content. Thank you!
In everything I do, I have how it relates to my Hubs and Kiddo in mind also. I instantly resonated with Librarian, and felt Hubs would fancy himself as Architect (but isn’t), and I see Kiddo growing into Gardener if only I could get her going with the right foundation. Thank you for recognizing the Student (whether literal or in our adult selves). I’ve spent months on many hours of research, trial and error, to no avail. I need a system for myself that allows for my notes + projects + ideas, that also allows for integrating, assessing, and steering systems that are suited to Husband and Kiddo. Thank you for these clear, straightforward solutions. This, combined with concepts from “The Second Brain” brings it all together.
I identified myself as an architect and a student and I was actually surprised you mentioned the apps I have leaned towards when I finally decided to narrow down: notion and Google keep. I used Evernote for many years but was instantly intrigued by notion and made the transition slowly over the last few months. I found evernote didn’t really give me the visual and the structure I craved for organising my longer term goals and lists. Google keep is as you said a daily app so I use it to store daily bits of info.
Great video
I was trying to find a comment that might help me determine my archetype. I also use Google Keep for everything. But I like to program my life by making structural notes and strictly complying to them. Thanks to your comment, I have decided to use Notion for structural notes and Keep as the quicker daily driver.
I'm definitely a Gardener and use Roam, though I also systematize and curate. My wife is definitely a student and I love that you include this type because it helps me understand that she is most comfortable in Apple Notes and other simple/build-in apps, and why, and consider that as I look for something we both can use for shared projects.
Would you say Gardener would be the one for creatives or artists?
I definitely relate to the architect archetype. I have been using Evernote as a filing cabinet for my paperless home office for years and years, but I never tried to use it for projects or managing my day to day life. I am so attracted to Notion. I will invest some time trying to learn it.
Arguably one of the most important AA video’s I’ve ever watched. It’s currently on loop on my iPad. It’s 3 years old and it’s only just started to resonate with me (in a big way). The power of a TH-cam video. Create it once and it continues to provide value years down the line. Thank you AA & TF🙏🏾
I want to thank you for this video series. As a business owner, I was constantly using 3-5 (or more 🤦🏽♀️) different notebooks at all times. No was carrying these notebooks in a separate bag filled with only notebooks.
In addition to carrying the extra load, I would always misplace which notebook had the notes I was looking for. Enter your Second Brain Series. I now have Evernote on every device, desktop, laptops, tablets and phones. I took all my notebooks and scanned the important pages into Evernote. This has been nothing short of a miracle for me and my productivity. Thank you, again!!
I have dabbled with several of the apps and thrown myself into them at different times. As a long time Evernote user, I now use it as a digital filing cabinet. It has scans of household paperwork, scans of sentimental items like special greetings cards and also catalogues of all my paper crafting resources. I used Notion for a time and created August Bradley’s PPV system but after meticulously predating it all I didn’t want to use it. I have been using Obsidian for a while now and it feels right. I have found myself pulling together notes from blog posts from completely different genres which have sparked thoughts and ideas. Evernote will always be my filing cabinet but I can’t imagine not having my second brain in Obsidian.
This is so helpful ! I’m still figuring out if I’m an architect or librarian, but this helps me so much to understand how I’m taking notes, cause I’m literally in the « overwhelm » state ! Thank you !
This is great! For those that are interested in why these terms are fitting it helps to know the fundamental design of a note taking service... If you are an Architect you want a service that is relational based (Notion). A Gardener you want a graph-based service (Obsidian), and if you a Librarian you want a directory based service (OneNote). For those who are familiar with computer science it is easier to figure out what service to used based on what data structures it supports.
spot on description! thank you!
Philosophically, I am a gardener, always asking “What are we missing here?” An independent scholar, I use Obsidian for my research. For simple lists and to capture links to interesting items like this video, I use Apple Notes and Reminders. My biggest difference from others here is likely to be that I am old, 77, soon to be 78, more interested in “What was that all about?” than in what may happen next.
Hi John, we have something in common. Being 81 I use the program TheBrain since years in the same sense making as you.
I am glad you started talking about Obsidian. It has 3 key advantages -
1. Operates locally
2. Data is saved in standard format: markdown files
3. Awesome community
I think it resonates with people who also value freedom, privacy and are willing to take responsibility for managing their data.
I really enjoy to using Obsidian, its a great tool.
Going to be talking a lot more about Obsidian, it's one of the fastest growing apps among our students
@@TiagoForte Are you using Obsidian at all in your CODE workflow? If so, how?
I've been using it since mid-2021, (when I switched from Notion) and it is by far my favourite app that I've tried.
It does for me, do you have favourite community resources? I'm seriously thinking of making it my first note taking app and even take the effort migrate some Evernote stuff there. Evernote is fine for capture, and I've had it for a long time, but I like to explore a lot of different ideas and don't have the inner structure necessary for evernote to work for me. I'd say I'm a gardener with a library ;)
This is great. I really enjoy that you are lately posting many useful videos. Please coninue doing it.
Student -- I have loads of short term interests, along with long term hobbies, projects, goals, etc. I use Evernote and the P.A.R.A system for my capture, but the breadth of topic and interests shifts (all in my Resources section which is HUGE) and use the find options and tags for the organic pieces.
This was excellent.
I think I’m mostly a Gardener, but I’ve definitely felt the pressure of maintaining “perfect” notes or being overwhelmed with features, so I resort much more to things like Drafts for quick capture because it feels so simple and immediate.
Feeling you here! Lol 👋🏻
The librarian archetype resonates with me. I've never found Evernote to be very helpful. Joplin has been the winner for me, but I regularly check out videos like yours to be sure I'm not missing something better. Thanks for this series!!
Same here. I don't really know what the merit of Evernote is.
Same. Evernote feels overhyped and over monetized. I hit a pay wall at some point and immediately threw the entire thing out a metaphorical window.
I'm pretty sure I'm a librarian, but I'll probably use either Obsidian or Notion primarily.
@@YamiHowardI agree with you. I like how Notion works but the notes are not encrypted and people lost their data. Obsidian overcomes those deficiencies but Syncing is one issue here
Love the content. Please keep up the quality in the future as well!
Thank you, this is really helpful (and perfectly timed!) - looking forward to the rest of the series. 👍🏻
Me too!
I have two collaborating colleagues. One is a dyed in the wool Architect (Notion for structure & Obsidian for writing). The other is a creative Gardner (Scapple for mind maps and Obsidian for writing). The Gardner also has a 13-year-old Evernote treasure trove library. I enjoy watching the Architect, and the Gardner interact. Their choreography depicts a sensual entanglement as they pass story ideas, drafts, edits, and published articles between each other. Together they form a hybrid archetype: Architectural Gardners.
ahh, scapple - such an awesome free-form mind-mapping tool...
Lol - landscape designers
You literally started the series I need. I used Evernote for years, but I didn’t like the 2 device limite in the free tier. I moved to Apple Notes but I realized how much I captured in EN. I then tried Notion, and I like it but I spend too much time trying to build how I’d show and track information. Looks like I’ll end-up going back to EN. It naturally felt the right choice.
Hahah the same for me. I came back to Evernote.
I maybe in the same boat. Trying to like Obsidian and Notion, but Evernote just seems so much easier to use to me.
I love this video. All of your videos have been some of the most insightful I have ever come across. Thank you so much
Thank you for a useful thinking tool to help me reflect on my style. Look forward to Part 2 of the series.
LOVE the approach Tiago.
Brilliant note about the company ethos.
If you're staring at a note app every single day, it's important to feel comfortable with the company!
Francesco :)
Yup, people think company is less important than the app itself, but stability, community of peers, ability to get support, philosophy around update speeds, number of content creators, core focus (security, teams-vs-individuals), and company longevity are all factors if you're going to be using an app for 2+ years
@@TiagoForte I love this entire video Tiago. It’s a great approach and helping me solve a big decision in my own life. QQ - knowing we are both Librarians and use Evernote, what about Evernote from a company ethos (given their current issues and slow updates) keep you on the platform?
Beautiful review and solid comparison! We have many exciting improvements coming soon to Taskade's outliner and note-taking features, stay tuned!
This division into archetypes is very interesting. And your explanation of it was crystal clear. You, sir, have got a new subscriber.
Thank you, Tiago, for an incredibly clear and concise approach to deciding which note taking app to use. I'm sure it saved me hours of research and helped me avoid wasting money.
Thanks for identifying the Student style. I've tried to start Second Brains multiple times, but always got stuck because of how overbearing the apps/styles felt. I would resort to throwing a few notes into Google Notes.
Interested to see what advice you may have in the future for Students.
That was me too 👍🙂
Me too! I find Google Keep to be extremely helpful - even potent - for my needs. As a writer - I'm always taking down different types of notes.
ok
I love this series! Thanks Tiego and team. Is there by any chance a set of quiz that we can take to better determine which archetype best describes us?
when you looked at the run through of the differfent apps, where there any that made you want to look more? or were there any that you were like ew? i know the notion run through i said no wayyyyy i am not doing that
I'm definitely an architect who is surprisingly leaning into the gardener. Now I finally know, why I never made the cut with Evernote!
I also will explore Obsidian, because I find Roam quite pricey which might be one reason for Obsidian rising... Thank you, Tiago, you're the best!
Just found your channel today. VERY helpful! The way you explain is very easy to understand as well. Thank you!
Awesome, thank you!
Always Love your videos 😍
I’m not sure if it’s more about archetypes or objectives. For example, I’m an “architect” personality but since the goal of my second brain is to connect ideas, I use obsidian.
Same here, Darin -- and I am a big fan of YOUR channel and videos. Keep them coming!
Beautifully said
My thoughts exactly
@@stevebianchi Thank you so much Steve 🙏🏻
Good point, and one I was thinking about while watching as well. I think my strength is as a Librarian when TAKING notes, but I use Obsidian to help surface connections (gardener) and to allow me to build automated, customized structures (Architect) when I'm USING my notes. As mentioned by @nareck, I also like the price tag (I pay for both commercial and catalyst tiers as well as Sync so it's not free for me), local vaults, standard format of Markdown, and community.
This video was very eye opening and interesting to watch, thanks Tiago + team! I always thought I was an Architect, but now I think I might be more of a Librarian and Student. I have forced myself to use Notion and set up systems in it for roughly 1.5 Years, but end up using Apple notes or Word because Notion is too complicated for me. Definitely checking out Evernote in the future!
My current note taking system contains Good notes for lecture notes, many random word documents/apple notes and a good old hardcover notebook for tasks.
Also thank you a lot for all the useful stuff (this channel, your blog and the Second Brain Summit in March) you and your team put out here for free! Your service is gladly appreciated.
Hello Tiago and OMYGOD SO happy I happened to luck out on this video!!
I'm currently an undergraduate in college and my note taking no matter how much I try is HORRIBLE lol!! I tend to have scribbled notes, several notebooks with notes, notes on index cards, post-its etc., and it's been this way for years and has driven me crazy!! I don't know if you could call it ADHD but I've struggled with note taking and keeping it all in one, or even two places permanently!!
I've used Evernote for years and then just stopped relying on it!! And I do believe that I'm more of a gardener/student so I'm TRULY hoping that I can FINALLY, bring myself to stop this note taking madness once and for all with your very insightful videos, bless you Sir!!😊🙏🙏
as a librarian in a developing country, I really love this video. Thank you for sharing, Tiago.
I didn't know my goal when I started developing my SB. I found it out rather after some time. In my opinion, it is that's not necessarily the first step. Just like in some sports: new perspectives rise when you develop some of your skills first, and you cannot change this order.
Thanks for identifying the different types of notetakers, but I feel as though I resonate strongly with all the types.
I've tried using Notion, Obsidian, Google Keep and Evernote, and I have different use cases for all of them.
I use Notion to manage projects, make beautiful and systemed documents, Google Keep for managing some to-dos, Evernote to make handwritten notes and link pages, and Obsidian if I want a hive-like representation of my notes.
All in all, I love all these apps, and they're great recommendations! Although I think I prefer Clover and Notability more to Notion and Evernote.
Thank you. Been going around in circles. Before you finished I thought I was a librarian until I heard student and staying on the lighter side of capturing. I'm going to play with this direction and see if this unconfused me.
I have been using THE BRAIN app for years. I was surprised you have never mentioned it…THE BRAIN app is AMAZING‼️❤
Excited and looking forward to your book Tiago! I hope there's more deep value in it than the TH-cam videos we've already watched regarding building the second brain and the course that's out of budget.
I use Notion, OneNote, and recently Obsidian too. I need Notion because of its table view database feature where I can store my music notes (a lot of them), and manage my violin student's info. OneNote is my main note-taking app. Don't know when an insight or an idea strikes, have to jot them down super quickly. Notion is too slow for that. Obsidian is something I'm trying out recently, mainly to try to see my second brain with all its connections (at least primary connections).
Mmm...i think single app solution will be a dream
Tiago, this is fantastic. I downloaded the book from Audible two days ago and can't stop thinking about everything it says (so far - only a third of the way through!) but when you described and summed up my current frustrations, confusion, ambitions and hopes to get myself better organised, you had me. This has been on my To Do list for more years than I care to admit and now all of a sudden it feels achieveable. At the moment, I think I'm a Librarian/Student with Architect tendancies. I have used Evernote badly for many years, juggling that with Gmail, BuJo, Apple Notes, post its and reams of scribbled notes that I rarely refer back to. So i reckon I'll go with Evernote for now and see how it all unfolds, althogh my children are strong Notion advocates and Id love to get to know it. Most importantly though, I'm going to allow myself the luxury of time to engage with my Second Brain and not rush it all as I usually do. Wish me luck on my journey and thanks!
You just described my exact thoughts about all of this down to a T. That was weird to read from someone else! lol Could have written it word for word myself.
I second Rachel - although last year I committed totally to Evernote - decided to just pick one, commit to it and as EN was relaunching the whole product it was a good time to do so. I have spent the last year getting up to speed on it and after reading BASB feel this is the next step. I immediately identified with Librarian (no surprise as I have an MSc in Library & Info Science LOL) but am a wanna be gardener....am hoping I will evolve into being more able to make interesting and new connections - sort of like when you browse a bricks & mortar library and serendipitously find something new and exciting ; ) but first: Master the basics and maintain consistent practices
OMG THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE STUDENT ARCHETYPE.
I was always drawn to notion through Thomas Frank, even bought his template but never really used it strongly.
As the months went by, I always defaulted back to my google keep notes. quick, easy structure, accessable from all my end-devices.
Finally hearing you mentioning that some people are drawn to all archetypes or non...saying some people needed it simpler, I heart skipped a beat. THANKS SO MUCH. I am going to rebuild my system into google keeps
SO helpful! Thank you so much Tiago! I As a Spanish teacher my work has me operating in between English and Spanish all the time. I currently operate with the Apple Notes app and Google Drive. My workplace uses Google Suite so that is all via Google. I use Google as my primary email accounts. Are there certain apps you recommend over others for operating in multiple languages? I find Google suite works well in Spanish.
I definitely identify with the the student/hybrid approach. I'm a student but also need flexibility because I use a wide array of means to accomplish what I need. I'm currently looking for a way to better curate my process and apps to create a longstanding repository of the information I learn, goals I set, projects I plan, etc.
Something that's been really helpful for me is the Concepts app. Its primarily a vector-graphic and design tool, but it has an infinite canvas. In the past I used 8.5x11" blank paper as a means to group notes I was taking, to-do's, etc. and they served as a sort of analogue comparison to Notion's blocks/pages, but weren't infinitely scaling or connected (closer to what a poster board would be). However, blank paper always gave me the flexibility to make notes in bullet form, check boxes, concept maps, drawings/diagrams, etc. Concepts serves this role for me now, and it has been a helpful tool alongside apps like Notability and my phone's notes app.
neat! sounds really cool! thanks for sharing that.
Great video Tiago! Although I definitely have a bit of every archetype, I’m currently more on the Gardener side. And Obsidian is my tool.
This is the best way to think of the archetypes (overall tendencies based on most important notes goals)
When you talked about "Researcher," your description instantly resonated! I'm still not settled on a favorite app, but I'm mostly using Bear at the moment.
I am a student, architect and a librarian. I find myself using three apps for different purposes.
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Me too! And at the end it just looks like a messy garden 😂. I have way too many pages and categories. And I’m still looking for the perfect digital handwriting private journal!
Which apps do you use for what specifically, Emmanuel?
@@SapientEudaimonia I use Apple Notes and Notion
@@EmmanuelKusiAchampong Thanks for the reply!
I think the tools we use also influence the way we work and think. I've been using Evernote since 2009 - and seeing this video makes me feel like I have been nudged into the Librarian style, at least partly by the way that app has always worked. And I haven't really considered any other way of working. But the Gardener style and what I see from Obsidian really resonates with me now - and shows exactly the things I'm struggling to do with Evernote...
yeah. evernote almost felt like it boxed me in. i still love it. i’ve transitioned to notion a lot. and only use evernote for specific cases and my library of info.
It was the same for me. Used Evernote for many years but no longer needed a Swiss Army Knife so now I use WorkFlowy.
I feel like a Librarian, using an Architect's system (Notion).
This was helpful, and explained to me why I used EverNote for YEARS!.
Thank you.
Can’t wait to take this test. I’m a chaotic note taker. Need simplicity because my notes don’t make sense to anyone but me, but I’m always taking notes. Tidbits of ideas I bind together later to create an idea. I work in Product Design Marketing. Most of my notes are audio-based. Sometimes transcribed automatically, sometimes by me. Multiple languages. Will edit this to see which aligns to me most.
Find the archetypes interesting as I resonate both with Architect and Gardener. I’ve used electronic mind mapping programs for 20 years so the idea of building connections like Obsidian sound intriguing. Similarly, for the last 6 years I’ve built a system in Airtable (relational database) that allows me to catalog the books I read, capture the notes from those books, and write my commentary on the notes for better learning. Lately, I’ve started inserting links between similar books in the database. That last piece sounds more gardener perhaps?
Thank you for this video. I have recently been intrigued by Obsidian, but it just rubs me the wrong way. Turns out I am a Librarian and Evernote's ability to capture everything is the most important thing to me.
Very helpful video, for me finding the perfect note taking app has been quite frustrating. As well as providing a huge array of options, this has helped me to narrow down my selection.
I definitely have been in the student realm(Keep) for many years, but am now progressing whole heartedly into the Architect Archetype.(Notion). I like the emphasis on intuitive feel for each type. Great recap!
From your descriptions of these it makes me think that i'm a Librarian, but I enjoy the "fun" of Obsidian. It resonates with me the same way Visual Studios does with coding or when Superhuman designers talked about Game Design. How one of their 7 principles was to make it a fun toy to use. I wonder if the friction I do have sometimes in its use is that it doesnt fully fit my personality. Interesting video. Thanks
The reality is that specific app recommendations are stereotypes based on the "default state" of the app. Most modern notes apps are flexible enough to accommodate many styles with tweaks, even if they aren't that way out of the box
Knowing your own mind and notetaking practice is more important than the app, as the app is an extension of your mind
What’s this superhuman game design? Is it a guide to game design?
@@AKS9 so there was an interview that Rahul Vohra, who I believe was a founder of the Superhuman email app gave on Game Design. Here are the 7 principles of game design he talked about
1. Create concrete, achievable and rewarding goals
2. Design for nuanced emotion
3. Create rapid and robust controls
4. Make fun toys and combine them into games
5. Make the next action obvious
6. Give clear and immediate feedback with no distraction
7. Balance high perceived skill with high perceived challenge
He talks about five factors in a separate talk: Goals, Emotions, Controls, Toys, Flow State. Hope that all helps!
@@trentdpt wonderful, thanks for the info!
I’m definitely a Librarian and Student! Thanks to security restraints at work, I get to have two second brain systems. For personal, I love Evernote. For work, my only option is OneNote. I’ve made it work and I don’t mind the separate systems now that I’ve been able to identify what apps to use and manage.
I'm so glad you said that! I feel like both the Librarian and Student resonate with me (with a dash of Gardner).
I'm at a point of transition and am currently using a mash-up of NotePlan and Obsidian. I think I've been building my systems around what others describe as "best", though, and haven't quite found the right one for me.
Wow, thank you so much! I have JUST came to know NOTION and I was in love of it as well as drowning... Now I realize there's still much to learn! THANK YOU!
this is all i needed, bless your soul!
I have heard of the three archetypes before, but I honestly felt I've never really fallen into any category. However, I would describe myself as a student.
My serious note-taking journey began three years ago in law school with OneNote. After my first year, I started looking for a serious application to store my knowledge for the Bar Exam. Bouncing around from note-taking app to note-taking app has been exhausting. I finally settled on Apple Notes for my capture and Obsidian for my long-term storage.
Thank you for this series. I look forward to the coming episodes.
🙏 Glad you've found an approach that works for you. Well done
Same for me. I didn't resonate with one archetype *strongly* more than the other the first, though I friendly lean architect. I also settled on Obsidian for primary BASB app and Some Not for quick / temporary storage and lighter things. Also use Notion but not for projects, especially collaborative, not to throw a lot of resource information into.
Absolutely love the video!
One slightly humurous error in the video was at 2:34 where you posted a screengrab of Logseq with the label of Obsidian 😅
Excellent and informative video nonetheless!
😔 I can't believe we did Logseq dirty like this
newbie to your channel, respect man!!
I think I’m gonna have to read this man’s book. Sounds super useful for actual research projects and organizing structuring a literature review process.
I'm torn. I'm definitely a student notetaker, probably because I've spent so many years taking notes, but I also love the idea of Obsidian, and the gardener archetype. So although I use Apple Notes and Notability, I now also use Obsidian to fill that need too. I don't want to give up Apple Notes or Notability.
That's fine, use multiple if you like! It's just a heuristic to be able to start using one
I'm definitely a Librarian, which explains why Evernote was my go-to for years. But with recent changes to pay tiers I went from a beta tester with all the latest features and widgets to having most of them removed because the tier I had been paying for the last 10 years became the lowest tier. I've struggled moving to Notion
Thats rough man, hope you find your app
I'm a student. Totally.
I resonated with all (Architect, Gardener, Librarian)
As a teacher, I always try to keep knowledge organized, simple and clear to share with my students.
As a musician, I need to be very creative and connect dots that are not so obvious.
And as a nerd who loves to learn, I need to have a nice archive of information that is accessible and easy to manage.
I wish Tiago were my dad.
I think I’m a librarian that cosplays as an architect. It’s not wonder that I use Evernote and notion. Great video! I have been thinking of playing around with roam for the bidirectional linking but from what I understand notion is developing that feature so maybe there is not need.
i think motion has the bidirectional linking now. it’s really good. but not as mapped out as obsidian or roam
You have Roam Research Broll marked with Obsidian at 2:35
I don't agree with the 3 categories as all archetypes have all elements with varying degrees that change with the environment in my mind.
Adding a student as an archetype seems like a 'get out' to escape the boxes. We are all learners so would fit in the box appropriate for the context.
The apps you suggest for students certainly don't work for me as they are far too simple with their features and as a PhD student, I actively avoid those apps. However, those simple apps seem to work well with everyday 'general population' users.
A video that I am sure will spark debate and conversation 😁
@@TiagoForte Yeah I thought that was the case. I am curious how a student mindset differs from a gardener?
I have been an Obsidian user for over a year now and used Notion for 3+ years before hand.
My YT channel has a few videos covering my process 😁😁
That sounds like either a very narrow-minded or novice student looking to expand, or a student with only one project in mind at a time. What about the time in between, and the students that have more than one project?
This also implies gardeners don't have a starting worldview, direction or outcome in mind which I don't think is your intention but is what is implied.
😇 excited to see what others think
(hopefully the previous comments show up again - we just pushed the channel to a brand account and it might have deleted all my old comments!)
@@TiagoForte all comments should remain the same and I don't see a difference.
I look forward to hearing the opinions of others.
@@TiagoForte I don't see them for what it's worth. Only Danny's side of the exchange is visible.
best video to clear all doubts about note taking 👏 👏
Excellent video in 8 minutes. Very useful and effective. Thanks!
I enjoy Craft.
Definitely will mention Craft more in the upcoming 2 chapters
@@TiagoForte would love to hear more about craft!! Thank u for your work!
Now Evernote charge to have more than one notebook.. We need an alternative (free), as simple and powerful like evernote.
Already subscribed. But I added this video to my public Productivity playlist because it was instrumental in helping me choose my main note taking app. Probably will still be experimenting with other apps, but I feel confident based on the information you provide that I made the best decision.
As a student starting their first year of uni next month, I think I know which style I fall into :)
I'm suprised Onenote doesn't get a serious mention although it was in one of the video excerpts
Yeah, this was a mistake relative to the amount we recommend it; we should have given more coverage as it's a fantastic Librarian app
It is a recommendation in the vid description 👍
You look like AI generated Elon Musk
as librarian i was never happier than moving from evernote to Devonthink for the library, muse for thought and drafts for actual notes - always interesting videos - cheers
I am definitely the student. Enjoyed the video. Keep up the good work.
Just watch this video. Interestingly, I started out as a librarian. And I have a huge Evernote library. I also try to fit a lot of my structure within Evernote for my personal SOP‘s, and then I realized that notion is able to do the trick much better. So I use a Evernote and Notion combo. I identify as an architect and a librarian. What I am moving towards eventually is towards content creation, which has had me thinking about the gardener archetype. great info
I couldn't decide if I was an Architect or Librarian at first, but the app I was drawn to reveals Librarian. I did try One Note but didn't get on with it. I now use Evernote for David Allen s GTD (Getting Things Done). I've just started reading BASB and have started incorporating that too - wow! What a powerful system!
I guess I'm a mix of Librarian and Gardener. I like to collect ideas, not necessarily to grow. But, I like how Roam Research works by using blocks - making it easier to navigate and find ideas as a Librarian.
By the way, awesome video! What an interesting idea. Well done, Tiago.
I worked with notion for a few months, it was a fantastic system but I've found myself back with Evernote. I'm a librarian for sure and I'm back in love with the elephant 😁
This was so helpful! I always try to be an architect, but I collect and capture things like a librarian, even though I think and innovate like a gardener. So when you said Student, it clicked!
I watched it at the google popup, and came here just to leave my like and subscribe. Too useful and well contextualized to just let it pass by.
it helped a lot. thanks so much tiago
Figuring out what program to organize my work files (Book chapters, course outlines) has been a huge quest. I wish you would develop a test that shows us different features on these platforms (visually) and asks questions about our usage needs and then direct us to the most suitable platform. You could show the results by sending us to the most appropriate platform that suits our needs. You could get an affiliate bonus for the referral.
Learning a new platform takes time and I’d love to get to the best one for me right out of the gate.
I absolutely Love your work and how you think. Thank you for the insights you provide!
Interesting. I resonated with the architect profile but I love Evernote and have used it for 10 years.
I’m enjoying reading your book 😊
I think I am a Student first and a mild Librarian. Most of my notes are short bursts of information that I need for a short time. But, I also have things in my notes that have been there for years that I do refer back to from time to time. Manuals, annual gardening notes, receipts for major appliances. I have tried just about every note taking app there is and I keep finding myself coming back to Apple Notes. It’s simple, it does the job, it goes with me wherever I go on my phone or on my iPad. Since I bought my first iPad in 2010, it has always been named The Brain. With all the years of Mom Brain and now menopause brain fog, I’d be lost without it. My notes app is probably the 3rd most used app on my iPad behind the web browser for work and slack for work communication. Now that Slack has canvases, I am slowly moving all the “work” content from my Apple Notes to Slack Canvases where it is used all the time anyway. I’m rather excited to soon have Apple Notes just for my personal life. It will go a long way to help define the boundary between work and personal time.
This helps. I am clearly in the librarian category. Thanks for this!
Thank you, Tiago! Here from the art of manliness podcast. Very insightful!
I’m a student and my favorite app for note taking is notability without a doubt. It makes notetaking so simple and direct. I LOVE IT
i find that when i’m in the initial phases of things as a student i go with apple notes and good notes. eventually i merge it all into evernote.
Definitely a Gardener. I've tried being an Architect. Probably because as things changed I've felt the limitation of my system. And I've been using Evernote for years but not very effectively. I look forward to trying out some of these other apps to see if it improves my flow and joy in notetaking.
Architect here. I am using obsidian and notion both but I guess now that I identify with Architect archetype - it seems Notion would be best fit for me. And suddenly everything I have seen Thomas Frank does make sense to me.
Thanks for this. Looking forward to your book man
Spot on!
For job as an artist manager I’m more of an arquitect because it is the required skill set.
Therefore I use Notion.
For my personal use, because my job takes a lot of my free time, I’m a student. And for that I use apple notes
I am definitely a librarian. My main strengths are Intellection and Input, and I have a vast number of interests and projects that I work on daily. All of my research revolves around my interests and hobbies or things that have randomly inspired me. I am constantly acquiring new information. However, it’s gotten a bit out of hand with the amount of info that I have that I’m not actively engaging with at the moment, and since I have a pathological need to learn new things, here I am trying to finally build my own personal knowledge base to do it more efficiently.
I believe I'm the awkward type which identifies with Architect and Librarian. I do a lot of research and delve deep for information; the rabbit hole is my friend, especially as a historian and current Masters student. But I also need the best system to store, showcase, and categorise it because I am a little paranoid about losing information through user or software fault as a librarian. This is why I love Notion so much, I only started using it two weeks ago, and it is the first thing I open as I load my computer. The customisability and the pages-within-pages are what suits both of my note-taking identities. After watching this, I will keep my mind open to other note-taking software compatible with what I already have. Thanks for a great video!