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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ก.ย. 2024
- The government has been accused of broken promises after an "entirely unacceptable" downgrade of the new Dunedin hospital project.
Health Minister Shane Reti said today the main inpatient building could be drastically scaled back or dumped altogether in favour of retrofitting the old hospital.
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"We can't justify spending $3 billion on a hospital because that money should be going to lazy tax dodging landlords"
Priorities.
Get hold of Bill English, your Old mate...... he's good at costing Kainga Ora for example.... just ring him up.
Keep it private...no oversight.😊
Wah wah wah..as a landlord I have passed what I can back to the tenants...labour lost,left us in the crap financially,and left all you greedy hand out merchants for someone else to deal with...get over it
@@rickferguson6794 "what i can" "greedy hand out merchants" yeah .... I see who you are.
@madmacksaysFu I see who you are too from your other comments howly bag...
Dunedin gets patients from well out of the region as well. I.e. north island when wards are full in Auckland and Waikato. This actually affects everyone around the entire country and people need to scream and shout about it.
Yep. And tourists too.
They can ignore Dunedin because it doesn’t vote for them. But it is surrounded by national voters and electorates that will use it too. They need to start shouting.
Guess where a lot of patients are going to be transported to when Wellington has it's 8 magnitude earthquake... anyone planning ahead for impending catastrophies? Or are we just planning on triaging in the Corolla? This government, as other governments have been focused only on undermining the resilience of Aotearoa NZs fundamental capabilities. It's either sheer incompetence and stupidity or deliberate. I've never been less proud of my country than under this misguided mgmt.
They could make the old ferries into hospital ships.
It's especially upsetting as Duds town is a university city where nursing and med students do their training smh😢
I Honestly think it is time for nz to band together and arce kick this government into touch
I'm not from the SI and I'm outraged by this! The nerve to say they can't afford it when they gave us taxcuts that make f all difference to most of our lives when that same money could pay for a hospital and maintenance needed on other hospitals.
OMG it was going to cost $3 billion!
Who would be stupid enough to think any NZ government would have enough spare cash to throw $3 billion away on a whim - perhaps to landlords , of which everyone of the National MPs is one ?
Let's be clear, $3 billion is a made-up number. The cost went from $1.5 billion to $1.88 billion. But like with the ferries, that didn't sound bad enough to cancel the project so they made up a bigger number.
@@AnthonyFlack exactly, there'll be a very high but unlikely estimate, as you do for any project, that they've latched on to.
Definitely not $3 billion for the current scope. To get to $3 billion you have to add all the things that everyone wants, including the Learning, Development and Research Centre then multiply by the Health New Zealand incompetence factor and have it completed over another 10 years.
The $3 billion hospitals will come along in the next 10 years but NZ can't afford them.
I remember they announced their first punch to certain people with beaming faces and that is when I realized they had pretty much dissociated from people's hardships and were fairly ruthless. Still, I didn't know how far they would stoop and how desperately senseless it would become for average NZ. I have a family member with cancer at the moment and the system is not good because of cost-cutting but this is just so degrading, it's almost surreal. I am still glad that I did not vote for them, it brings me a feeling of very mild relief at least.
Every bloody day, we wake up to a new injustice from this Govt. Plenty of money to waste attacking Te Tiriti but no money to finish building a Hospital. Geez, make it stop. 😡
Stop? Why would they? They either know they're not getting in next term and will ramp it up (which looks like that's what they're doing by their "under urgency" ) until a year before the election then they'll play good boys and girls. If they somehow get in again, they'll take that as assent for what they're doing. Remember last time, we've only just started and this can get much, much worse. Just like last time
BILLIONS IN TAX CUTS FOR THE RICH can be justified, but spending money on hospitals can't be justified. !#$@$#@!
Yeah
They can turn the new building into apartments - an opportunity for all the Nation MP landlords to get in on.
Perhaps they can get some clapped out second hand corollas and turn them into operating theatres?
Chewie says the "rage in Dunedin is undescribable (sic)" but it has to be asked; how many of those people voted for this ramshackle coalition?
I am old enough to feel like we have seen this movie a few times before.
Governments like this one look after themselves and their donors first and foremost. They don't mind leaving a mess behind as long as they have their knighthoods and nests feathered.
I don't think Dunedin has ever voted into Parliament a National MP.
Anyone who voted for National did so with the promise that they wouldn't be downgrading Dunedin hospital, so National voters have every right to feel betrayed even though the rest of us could see this coming.
@@AnthonyFlack Being "betrayed" once is understandable.....but when a party has a history of greed and selfishness, then falling for their lies a second or even a third time is unforgiveable.
@@AnthonyFlack No they don't. They'd only have that "right" if it never happened before. It's happened EVERY TIME they've ever gotten in. Do you not remember the rampant homelessness, then Key and English announcing they were selling off all NZ state housing? Or the police funding freeze for 9 years? Going way back, remember Shipley "protecting" the community by enacting "pot your neighbour" which dismantled the kiwi communities everyone relied on for a century?
They only had the benefit of the doubt until they did it their first time. By the 478th, if they haven't learned by now, thats on them.
Funny how much money is available for Charter Schools ,& treaty principles but not for new hospitals
And a ministry for stupid interference in regulation
@@nathandougherty7058 "Ministry for getting people killed"
Ummmmm Napier doesnt have a hospital. He knows nothing but to lie.
When you see "Dip" and "Stick" together in the same room, you just know the news isn't going to be good...
The government Gave the $3billion to the landlords I bet most of them are in Auckland
"bills cannot be justified" it's a hospital. it's justified.
Hospitals vs landlords..😢
It looks like Nicky no boats if looking for another 'floater' to deal to. Next week will be the polytechs....
Chris Bishop needs to be slapped with the blunt truth ... Dunedin and the region need this hospital.
You'll still have a hospital the best that $1 billion can refurbish.
The design is done for the Inpatients Building with the very expensive piling work completed the last few days. Even if they chop the top floor off they have wasted millions and every fortnight delay is at least $1 million added to the bill.
He knows. He doesn't give a shit, you can't stop him now. Seriously, this is like National 101. He doesn't care as long as he has power
To put the desperation of our health system into perspective: hospital heads are trying to find ways to use AI to make things run better and ease the load. Our health system has had four decades of defunding and I think we might finally be seeing the breaking point.
You can just see the mana leaking out of Shane Reti. 3:38-3:54
What mana the prig is a snake in the grass watch his tounge
If he's got mana then I'm the pope
the aim is privatised health!
The aim of the National Government, ( how else can you interpret Ruth Richardson or Bill English actions in 1990-93 or 2013-16 is to close the Railways ( Willis forceful suggestion that public servants cease to work and file from Featherston, Greytown or Martinborough or Shannon is actually intended to simulate a furthur exodus of the talented dron the country) and unofficially and secretly hand the country over to China. That is clearly what MFAT, the National Cabinet and National Exec John Key, Luxton and Collins clearly took the happy pill and handed the keys over too the CCP long ago. The question to Key, Luxton and Reti is, Dr Reti what are you smoking.??? I am surprised Luxton and Dr Reti are not already on the Banana boat to Paraquay.They are like German industrialists conned into supporting Hitler in 1929-33.
Tell all the landlords "IF" they get tax cuts... Then they can not use public hospitals 🤔 fair is fair...
The problem is, for Nats and their landlord supporters public Healthcare is for the poors. They just don't care.
03:52 but...Napier's hospital was CLOSED in 1998 and DEMOLISHED in 2015!
That 3 Billion figure keeps popping up.
So will the 19 billion for tax cuts
I lived in Dunedin for a short time between 2019-2021. And I was in serious mental health crises. I went to the emergency department, after taking an overdose, and was released the next day despite not being seen by any professional, as well as not being able to walk for a few days because of the pills I took.
It took over 7 months for me to be seen by a mental health professional. By that point the damage was already done.
heartbreaking news , the people of Dunedin deserve so much better! Both the hospital and mental health services need some serious funding. ❤️
Two weeks ago I had a meeting with Chris Hipkins, and at that meeting I told him that this would happen. The co-coalition is also trying to cut back funding for health services, operations, and emergent surgery at the cost of Kiwi lives.
Shameful.
The way this government is carrying out their austerity policies we will all end up living in tent cities and a MASH 4077 for a hospital.
It used to be 'all care, no responsibility'.. now its not even that..
With respect to this government words fail....
😡😡
Lux called himself National party leader, not PM, not coalition leader ,this poodle knows where his kennel is, under the canary cage.
Next comes the private partnership
"National" needs renaming "Just 1% of the Nation".
I had a life altering bike crash in queenstown 6 years ago and was airlifted to Dunedin. I was there for a couple of weeks and the nurses and doctors tried their best but it was an awful experience.
come to Protest in DUNEDIN.. 12pm outside the dental school. (maybe Labour could take over South Island and North can have national, and we will see which turns out better .
Have to borrow money for tax cuts !!
Herman Munster strikes again!
It will be more than four, I live next door to the Thames hospital and at least four helicopter flights a day land.
Speaking as a Jaffa, I wouldn’t expect less than $3billion for a major hospital for a major region…
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Why are people surprised and angry? This is exactly what we voted for - you can't have tax cuts and public service investment. We chose tax cuts. The government are doing exactly what they promised to do.
i didn't vote for them.
Not quite - they promised to fully fund the Dunedin hospital upgrade. I think it's worth holding them to the promises they make and don't keep, like Mark Mitchell's promise to resign as Police Minister if crime figures hadn't improved within one year. Come on Mark.
Did you have a stroke, or didn't you hear lux's promise. NATIONAL arrogance fully on display.
Dunedin/ the south doesn’t need to apologies/ minimise.., we are one nation.., what is good for you.. is good for all of us..
Bishop doesn't seem to want to be there. 🤔
Why is bishes nose so long ... and his pants are on fire ??
Hey, I had a 1970s Hillman Hunter Pat! Like driving a brick ****house but it certainly had "character". Loved that bloody old bomb. But def wouldn't make a great hospital 😛
I mean the Otago hospital is part of Otago medical school, one of only two medical schools in NZ, the other is Auckland and the Otago medical school was historically the elite part of the University of NZ and certainly the premier college at Otago. At Knox College were I was in 1975-6 ( did the Bulk of my Vic Uni, Wellington BA (1979) degree in History and Politics)at Otago) the medical students from name Auckland, Wellington and Christchurch families, were the elite, usually privately educated and the sons of doctors and specialists, themselves. Although at that time the medical dental and law students at that time dominated Knox (almost no other faculty stidents were admitted to Knox) were increasingly divided over social medicine and social selection. It would be difficult to think of anyone at that time who would not have supported Muldoon. Thompson ( Otago Hospital Board) ???, Big Jim, the Mataura idiot, was Muldoon's biggest supporter at the time The staff of the Otago Political Science Dept almost resigned when told that had to award Jim Thompson a degree. Big Jim. Most of them probably resigned from the Labour Party when Jim became the Labour candidates for Wallace. Gault??? Yes .Denne. Auckland lawyer turned minister. Yes Guest. Randy Andy. His brother was the top barrister. Voting Labour was too unfashionable even for me. I voted Values in 1975. There was no question of voting for Arnold.
GET RID OF NATIONAL, SIMPLE
We were so proud of our hospital in the 80s. Biggest teaching hospital in the southern hemisphere. ATM god forbid we get sick. National government gives me stress
Auckland Hosp,had two operating rooms not completed at time of opening in 2003. some years later before completed.
Sorry Pat there are quite of few mistakes in your analysis.
The building that you showed that has nearly a complete exterior is what is called the Outpatients Building. This will house 5 operting theatres plus other rooms for planned care and other services that will not require patients to be admitted into a bed, so not knee or hip replacements. It really is too late to change and you wouldn't get much value from doing it.
The other building is the bigger and more complex one that is causing the problem from what goes into it how many beds, theatres, radiology equipment ED spaces. This will be where the decision on make the new building smaller in regards to fitted out space, build the exterior "envelope" but not the interior "shell" space be fitted out later when there is demand for capacity, reduce the envelope which means less potential new capacity or services are left in the old building. Of course the worse option is stop the new inpatients and spend hundreds of millions on refurbishing buildings that are over 40 years and not fit for purpose. Terrible idea because it doesn't buy you much extra time before you need a new building anyway, massive disruption to current services and you waste the millions alreafy spent on land purchase, site preparation, design etc plus it will be 2 extra years at least to redesign the new interiors....but Health New Zealand infrastructure is lead by people with no health experience.
The Nats want to deal to the medical school and university too. They've tried before but this time they've got a better chance of victory.
This sucks
Well said. Dunedin hospital is a regional hospital, which needs full capability for all disciplines, such as Paediatrics, full surgical services, Cardio thoracic, neurological, orthopaedic , and general medical, ent, obstetrics, oncology, gerontology A&E and outpatients, and so forth. Dunedin should not have to rely on specialist paediatric services in Auckland or Christchurch for example. It has to provide medical care for Dunedin, Southland, Fiordland, Queenstown, Central Otago the southern parts of the west coast and north to South Canterbury. Attempting to repurpose the existing hospital ultimately may as you say prove to be excessively expensive and will be sub optimal to an extent that hospital services will be unable to deliver the required care that should be available. People pay their taxes and expect a robust public healthcare system in return. Primary and tertiary healthcare is fundamental to a modern society. Less money spent on roads and new highways please , where there are billions spent yielding only marginally improved outcomes. Dunedin requires a new hospital, which is long overdue, the current hospital has passed its use by date and we have to look forward to a capability for the next thirty to fourty years at least.
I livedin a house where the builder had clearly run out of money. The outside was copper guttering and high end windows, but the bathrooms were the cheapest fittings and areas were uncarpeted.
I agree that it is disgusting what the government is doing with the hospital. But Pat stop interrupting all the time it breaks up what you are to get across and its a pain in the arse.
The coalition could stop all these companies closing down by passing a bill to make electricity company’s forcing them to drastically reduce power costs ASAP we all know they can pass bills asap they’re doing now to Māori doom
Why would they do that when they were the ones who made sure they could get the shares in the first place? Your asking NATIONAL of all parties to put people before their personal wealth. Sorry dude, but that's not happening in this timeline.
God has chosen New Zealand landlords to never pay tax .❤
Wongarei - Bishflap still can’t say it properly.
Population of Dunedin in 1970 was 93,576. Today it's 118, 683.
Population of Dunedin 2018 128,800 (Statistics New Zealand Census), but your incorrect stats is beside the point. Dunedin Hospital is a REGIONAL tertiary level hospital, it services a regional population of 347,900 people - so all complex medical care for people who live in Otago and Southland is done in Dunedin. Implying that Dunedin hospital only serves the population of Dunedin is treating it like a secondary care facility, and to me it looks like this government is funding it as such.
Emblematic new lingo 🎉
Back. 😮 spell check
To the national voters it's going to hurt all of us national has got NO H&S laws to fixing the hospital. Money over the new zealand people.
Reti watch the prigs tounge snake in the grass