Actor and former WWE writer Freddie Prinze Jr gives his thoughts on WWE's new World Heavyweight Championship belt design #wwe #wrestling #freddieprinzejr
The old WHC was in my opinion the big prize. When you saw undertaker, Batista, edge wearing that title it looked like that was the best price you could win in wwe.
Than it went to shit when you have the great kali winning it than opening match at WM in a 2 second match..(shamus and Danial bryan) you know wwe would never of done that to the WWE title.
@@luisfermin608I like to think, cause know that we're older and got a general idea how Vince thinks for himself, he always saw the WHC as the "wcw title" and therefore disrespected its legacy. But even now he does that with the Universal championship. (WM opener)
It goes both ways. A guy makes the title and then the guy makes the title and the next guy who wins it matter more when he puts the next guy over. A title that has built a lineage can become something that makes a young star’s next steps apparent, but it has to be the right title built up in the right way.
@@ajye8935 I think Sir. Jeem Qor Net probably said it before. He was a wise but arrogant profit. Born from the days of The true king. King Law Lur the 1st.
I didn't realize how lucky I was to be watching when Undertaker became World Heavyweight Champion at WM 23 until I was talking with my older bro and he had no clue Taker won it then
At no point during 2002-2013 before they retired the big gold belt did I ever view it as a secondary title. That belt had an incredible legacy and once it came to WWE, it was treated in the highest regard right alongside the WWE Championship, especially during the Evolution days. People love to hate on Hunter "burying" people left and right back then but there's no denying he made that belt feel like the highest accolade in the company.
I always viewed the world heavyweight championship as the main title. SmackDown was my favorite brand and the undertaker is my favorite of all time. which ever belt the undertaker holds is the number one built in the company
Lowkey I viewed it as a secondary belt for a while. Specially when Jack Swagger had it and then way later Sheamus. Not because of those who held it, but how it was treated. It never main evented anything and felt like second fiddle
I think what made it feel like a secondary title besides who had it was that it was booked like that when the brand split started to disappear especially for the PPvs during the PG era. When the brands were more separate roster wise and had their own PPVs, the titles on each brand for each division/tier were considered mostly equal by most fans I’ve seen. When they’re separated, the top title is treated as the top title and viewed as such by fans. Same with the mid card belts, tag team belts, and women’s titles. Now brand splits don’t always make titles seem to be on parity with each other because WWE still tends to view RAW as the A-show and Smackdown as the B-show and consequently they’ll treat the belts that way from time to time as well. Not always but often.
Dukedarkshadow the big gold belt was awesome shame they got rid of it but the current world heavyweight title reminds me of the winged eagle belt and both are better imo then those logo titles that roman has but that's just my opinion
I always thought the WWE Championship belt was for Raw and the Heavyweight Championship was for Smackdown. Batista represented that belt to me the same way John Cena represented the WWE Championship. You had to be the baddest motherfucker to have it.
I remember Undertaker calling the Big Gold world heavyweight championship as "the holy grail" and I thought that was so cool. Like it really was the richest prize you could ever aspire to earn.
Exactly,take for instance,when Taker won the Royal Rumble,he could of chose John Cena and the WWE Title (Spinner Championship) But Since he hated that Title Design,He chose Batista,Wich I'm glad he did,cause Taker made the Big Gold look cool
He does not have a great mind for wrestling. The WWE went through one of the worst eras in its history with him as one of their “writers”. Obviously there is a team of writers so you can’t solely blame him. Does anyone even know which programs he was responsible for?
@@Stizzfoshizz lol he was involved for what seems to be about two years, I don't think Freddie Prinze Jr is the guy to blame for how bad wrestling was during the guest host era.
@@theone5404 And if you take the three logos off the new belt, what does it end up looking like? We all know which belt was the best, but Vince's toxic pride has seeped into the foundations of the organization so everything has to have his logo on it.
When Batista and Triple H had it they made the big gold look like a true champions prize. Like Batista in a suit with shades, short slick back hair, Rolex watch and then The WHC title to make him known as the top dude on Smackdown.
@@TheEquation007 Very true. I wouldn't say it's the case for everyone, Cena held the world in 2009 while Triple H had the WWE title - in that case you just have 2 massive stars and the belts are interchangeable, it's the wrestler that's the important figure in that case. More often than not the world is looked at as the secondary title and often rewards the wrestler for his work and can sell tickets when the WWE champ isn't involved. Whereas the WWE champ carries the company and is the frontrunner for promotion.
The main issue is that Roman STILL carries two titles and is referred to as UNDISPUTED champion. They should’ve made him lose one belt. Now there are three, they pretend it’s two, and one is undisputed even though it very much is disputed.
@@night6724 And? The point still stands. It’s secondary, there are now three titles, and this new one will be a consolation prize to the rest of the roster, because as Cena says, Roman is protected.
@@adamburke4738 My point is this dumbass is playing the “well he has two belts card” when the wwe and universal titles are combined. The world title isn’t a secondary title.
@@adamburke4738 and they could’ve easily conceived a triple threat with multiple falls where each fall is for one title and have Roman lose one without being pinned.
Great example is Jinder. They put the title on him and suddenly, overnight, tried to present him as this huge larger than life superstar. Granted, his presentation was awesome, and he did his best to make it work, but no one bought it.
I always saw the World Heavyweight Championship and the WWE-Championship being on the same level. Even though i agree, that the person who wears it can value or devalue it to some degree.
No way did I ever think of the big gold title as secondary. If you watched from the start of the ruthless aggression to the end. You realized who was what Brand’s champion.
They’re* for they are. Their means ownership. As in that championship belt is theirs. Fucking hell people don’t even know proper grammar in a world with autocorrect 🤦♂️
I mean when i was a kid i always thought the WHC meant more. It just looked so good. With triple H doing anything he can to hold on to it I thought it was the biggest price in the company.
The World title began to decline after 2010. It stopped main eventing PPVs and mid carders like Swagger, Daniel Bryan and Ziggler began to hold it. It also basically because the “here’s a world title stop asking” for veterans like Kane, Christian, Henry and Big Show
@@SimonJones265damn man, I stopped watching wrestling from 2003-2008, came back and caught thru insane watching, then stopped again from 2017- 2022 lol.. just caught up around Survivor Series 2023 when Orton came back, been locked in ever since Wrestling is epic right now, if you EVER get interested, start @ WrestleMania 2021 on up
The new world heavyweight championship in my eyes is the real world championship in WWE right now because the right person happens and it’s the workhorse championship. People that actually show up to work and don’t get pushed to the moon just to be the marketable guy are the ones who will hold this one.
They felt pretty equal when Edge and Cena had them since they had such a rivalry at that time. I didnt even watch Smackdown like I did Raw but I still felt thats what validated Smackdown.
I felt the same. Both were equal titles until Taker lost the WHC or when Edge had to retire it. After that I just felt like which ever one Cena had was the top belt
The thing is Edge was such a good champ that he became my favourite champion. I was like 8 at the time and a john cena fanboy but Edge was so different i switched fast💀
Let's be honest, are we really gonna put a singles match for the WWE Title over a TLC match for the world title in the main event? Plus the Punk/Hardy feud was way more personal and had more heat than Cena/Orton.
That was my exact reaction. This belt is a consolation prize. It means nothing compared to ending a 1000+ day title reign. It's the second place belt and it has been for years. They've also devalued the IC belt over the years turning it into something mid-carders fight for.
Me personally I enjoyed the world heavyweight championship better as a kid because it felt like that title whether it was on smackdown or raw felt more like the land of opportunity and more than the same 2-3 guys getting title opportunities
The title that means more is the title that's defended more often. I'm not interested in a title that's gonna be on a guy that wrestles once a month and defends his title quarterly. I care about the belt that is consistently on the line. That's the real primary championship in my mind.
I am a big fan of title design, this one is an improvement, but not as much as I was hoping. It’s still too much like a billboard for the brand, to me. The title should be something that people WANT to fight over, that makes people in the crowds want a replica of it. This belt doesn’t do that for me. But it’s a lot less generic and basic than the last one so it’s a decided improvement.
Honestly belt design does matter. Sure the person can make the Championship mean something but who cares if it looks like a carbon copy of every other fucking title
As a kid I definitely looked at the WWE belt as the secondary belt. Cause they had literal monsters in Undertaker, HHH and Batista wearing the big Gold belt.
I think a Title belt still has to look like it carries prestige especially in Kayfabe and says a lot about all the World Champs that held it not to mention looking like the man
I don’t mind the current WWE Championship title look, but hate that the Universal one looks the exact same. I miss having the WWE Championship on Raw & World Heavyweight Championship on Smackdown. The toughest people always carried the Heavyweight one, which made it stand out even better because the size of those that carried it.
I honestly always thought of the World Heavyweight Championship been more valuable than the WWE Championship. As for the WWE Championship, I think that WWE title is more for like the top star or face of the company to have it. I mean, look at Cena and Roman, they have both always gotten for the WWE Championship over the World Heavyweight Championship. If I was a WWE superstar, I would always want to go after the World Heavyweight Championship.
Its just because its wwe championship and the fact that the original design was from wcw so of course wwe wouldn’t let it be viewed as well. Plus it was mostly on smackdown that used to be the lower tiered show which makes no sense id say it had alot of big names most of the time
WWE Champion pretty much represents the face of the company and the company is global. The WHC is like an honorable title. Held buy a leader and fighting champion
This makes me think of Cena's US Championship reign when he had the US Open Challenge. That run elevated that belt soooo much and allowed for new stars to be given momentum. Its all about how you use the title, THAT'S what makes a champion legendary
Say what you want about Triple H, but when Triple H held the world heavyweight championship around 02 to 03 and brock Lesnar held the undisputed wwe championship (one of my favorite designs). The world heavyweight championship felt like a major title and smackdown felt like am equal to raw if not a better (especially when Lesnar and angle had segments together). Those were the last good years of wrestling for me. Even if it was Triple h's reign of terror.
I disagree, that era of the heavyweight championship going from Batista, to taker, to edge, ect was amazing, just as good if not better than the WWE championship matches
I definitely agree with him, my favorite titles are the ones that were involved in the best moments. Like when Eddie beat brock lesnar, never was a fan of the undisputed that much until that incredible moment
Let’s go I remember I subscribed when the WWE only had like 80 million subscribers and know they are now just the 10th channel and first sports channel to reach 100 million subscribers on TH-cam!🥳🤩
@@jeremykops regardless he’s been writing for them since the early 2000s till now for all we know some of the craziest feuds and story lines we’re scripted by him and the team they got
Its hard to say for me at least the the World Heavyweight was secondary. It has a just as big or even bigger legacy than the WWE title, with holders like Ric Flair, Dusty Rhodes, Harley Race, Lou Thesz, the Funks, Steamboat, Sting and more. They are at the very least, equal in stature to one another, and I think them giving the new one to Seth adds to the lineage of greats who have held it, and also gives the new belt some credibility.
Thr WCW belt was always the best belt WWF was the better "title" - but the WCW *belt* was always a greater gold Ps. Great diplomatic answer from someone who doesn't want to alienate Vince in the hopes of being brought back
Every time I see or hear about the Intercontinental Title, I think of: >The Miz's title reign where he made it relevant. >Christian's "EXCUSE ME! INTERCONTINENTAL CHAMPION TALKING!" >Dolph Ziggler(Idk he just really sticks out to me as IC Champion) >That one iconic feud between Chris Jericho and Chyna >Drew McIntyre's first run When I think of the United States Championship, I think of: >Zack Ryder fighting and ultimately winning it at Wrestlemania >The Miz when he had Alex Riley as his apprentice >Dolph Ziggler when he started becoming "The Showoff" >Jack Swagger and how the title should have always been his, but at the same time how he should have treated it like it was just a trinket because "even without it, I'm still an All-American-American champion of the United States." >JBL's associate and how for some reason I can never remember his name, but I know he feuded with Cena when it was a spinner belt, the same title that got thrown into a trash can and set on fire When I think of the World Heavyweight Championship, I think of: >Undertaker >Triple H and how this man simply had no morals when it came to that title. >The first ever WHC run for Daniel Bryan >18 seconds(IF YOU KNOW YOU KNOW) >5 TIME, 5 TIME, 5 TIME, 5 TIME, 5 TIME(Though that was when it was the WCW Championship) When I think of the WWE Championship, I think of: >The beginning of John Cena being a main event player >Randy Orton vs John Cena >CM Punk Money in the Bank >How even though the Miz BEAT John Cena at Wrestlemania, it was overshadowed by Cena VS Rock set to happen the following year >Sheamus title reign being during the Nexus run where they rushed the ring and jumped everyone but him, he gets the pin, and they chase him out the arena.
During 2007 I always thought that the World Heavyweight Championship meant a lot more than the WWE Championship. It just has a prestigious feel to it. And every single Wrestler who held that title were so larger than life.
The World Heavyweight Championship was the top belt from 2002-2005. Shawn Michaels winning it made it a massive deal. Triple H’s reign during Evolution made it the top title. It was the main event at Wrestlemania 20. I personally felt at the time that it should’ve been the main event at Mania 19, but I was a massive Booker T fan in WCW. It was the main event in Mania 21. And Smackdown felt like the B show even if it was the better show, it was still treated as the B show. And Lesnar was still so new, he didn’t have the careers of the guys fighting over the WHC on Raw. I think that 10 month run with JBL as WWE champion hurt that title. I didn’t feel the WWE title post brand split felt as big as it did until Cena brought it to Raw and started feuding with Edge and Triple H and Jericho.
I honestly saw both as the top title to their respective shows. I guess now that Wrestlemania is two days, and we could have the heavyweight, wwe, and universal it would be so dope. More wrestlers cn get into some matches and have more opportunities to develop as wrestlers
Man makes the belt razor ramon and hbk made intercontinatenal belt a very desried commodity through there ladder matches cena also elevated us championship
Man he was right about that comment about vince not caring much for the WHC than he did about his title. Thats deep. 😮 makes me think he never saw batista in the same ballpark as cena.
To me I always thought of each title as both the highest pillars in the company just for different brands. Most of the time Raw’s top guy had the WWE championship and smackdown followed suit with the Heavyweight Championship. Both definitely felt like Tier 1 titles for most of the 2000’s and even into the 2010’s
It's funny, but Seth was always correct in the big gold being the "Workhorse" title and the WWE title being the "Hollywood" title. Especially when you see who held the big gold up until Seth/Drew/Damien - Undertaker, Batista, Triple H, Goldberg, Jericho, Edge, Cena, Rock, Orton, Shawn Michaels, Scott Steiner, Booker T, Ric Flair, Hulk Hogan, Sting, Randy Savage, Kevin Nash, CM Punk etc.
I always loved the big gold belt especially when the spinning wwe title was on the opposite show it’s just a classic design the fits every body type damn near
Imo the new WHC needs to have the logo smaller and I was okay with the black strap Drew had. I’m not mad at the title and it actually looks good on a lot of superstars
That’s why they should only have one version of each belt. You don’t need to have everyone hold a title. That’s part of what made title wins and runs special. One top tier belt, one upper mid card, one tag, one midcard, one women’s.
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When John Cena held the spinner title I thought he wore the scrub championship. It never had more prestige than the WCW belt.
Growing up I thought the World Heavyweight meant more. It was always the toughest mf who had it.
Me too, or at some points that they were truly equal but you’re exactly right. I thought the same thing as a kid man 😂
It did until it depended on who had it
They was on equal footing until that Khali run 😂😂😂😂
@@jamaaldagreatest2748 After 2010 the belt began to fall on stock
@@DomMagicWand No it was until 2010. Khali's run was short and wrestling aside, he was at least intimidating.
The old WHC was in my opinion the big prize. When you saw undertaker, Batista, edge wearing that title it looked like that was the best price you could win in wwe.
Than it went to shit when you have the great kali winning it than opening match at WM in a 2 second match..(shamus and Danial bryan) you know wwe would never of done that to the WWE title.
@@TheAazah exactly. Idk why they did it but at some point they decided that the world heavyweight championship was going to be a joke
@@luisfermin608I like to think, cause know that we're older and got a general idea how Vince thinks for himself, he always saw the WHC as the "wcw title" and therefore disrespected its legacy. But even now he does that with the Universal championship. (WM opener)
@@cliffsenac2825 exactly. He literally sees the WHC as a secondary championship
@@TheAazahjack swagger wins it too
"The Man makes the title.
The Title doesn't make the man."
- Ancient Wrestling Proverb.
It goes both ways. A guy makes the title and then the guy makes the title and the next guy who wins it matter more when he puts the next guy over. A title that has built a lineage can become something that makes a young star’s next steps apparent, but it has to be the right title built up in the right way.
Lmfao yes
The booker makes the man that makes the title
I believe it was the philosopher Jong Xi Na who said this,
He said this to the prophet Messiah Se Ro Lin
@@ajye8935 I think Sir. Jeem Qor Net probably said it before. He was a wise but arrogant profit. Born from the days of The true king. King Law Lur the 1st.
I didn't realize how lucky I was to be watching when Undertaker became World Heavyweight Champion at WM 23 until I was talking with my older bro and he had no clue Taker won it then
Lmfao
@@maceokarriem haha
Same and WM23 has a good soundtrack
Taker won it at 24 against edge not 23
@@theddrara186 TH-cam it he beat Batista. I didn't know back then but he dropped it due to injury
At no point during 2002-2013 before they retired the big gold belt did I ever view it as a secondary title. That belt had an incredible legacy and once it came to WWE, it was treated in the highest regard right alongside the WWE Championship, especially during the Evolution days. People love to hate on Hunter "burying" people left and right back then but there's no denying he made that belt feel like the highest accolade in the company.
Once cena became wwe champ and batista got hurt thats when the shift start to happen.
I always viewed the world heavyweight championship as the main title. SmackDown was my favorite brand and the undertaker is my favorite of all time. which ever belt the undertaker holds is the number one built in the company
Lowkey I viewed it as a secondary belt for a while. Specially when Jack Swagger had it and then way later Sheamus. Not because of those who held it, but how it was treated. It never main evented anything and felt like second fiddle
I think what made it feel like a secondary title besides who had it was that it was booked like that when the brand split started to disappear especially for the PPvs during the PG era.
When the brands were more separate roster wise and had their own PPVs, the titles on each brand for each division/tier were considered mostly equal by most fans I’ve seen. When they’re separated, the top title is treated as the top title and viewed as such by fans. Same with the mid card belts, tag team belts, and women’s titles.
Now brand splits don’t always make titles seem to be on parity with each other because WWE still tends to view RAW as the A-show and Smackdown as the B-show and consequently they’ll treat the belts that way from time to time as well. Not always but often.
Dukedarkshadow the big gold belt was awesome shame they got rid of it but the current world heavyweight title reminds me of the winged eagle belt and both are better imo then those logo titles that roman has but that's just my opinion
I always thought the WWE Championship belt was for Raw and the Heavyweight Championship was for Smackdown. Batista represented that belt to me the same way John Cena represented the WWE Championship. You had to be the baddest motherfucker to have it.
which is funny because the whc debuted on raw 😂
@@rawrjay420 in 05 it became smackdown's belt
@@rawrjay420and even then, it was given to Trips who held on to it for years and had the long reign
@@TheMassiveGamer JBL held the WWE title for a year on smackdown
@@TheMassiveGamer I think Trips only lost the big Gold belt a total of 4 times during his reign of terror(excluding any shenanigans)
Triple H and Evolution made that world heavyweight belt look like everything that mattered lol
True
I mean you have to make it look good when your son in law is wearing it lol.
exactly
Yeah, Triple H did put in serious work to make it clear that this title was important!
No 😂 really bad booking with hhh holding that belt for as long as he did
I remember Undertaker calling the Big Gold world heavyweight championship as "the holy grail" and I thought that was so cool. Like it really was the richest prize you could ever aspire to earn.
Lol cause he hated the design of the WWE Title, cause at the time it was the Spinner WWE Title
The title design matters more than people realize subconsciously.
Exactly,take for instance,when Taker won the Royal Rumble,he could of chose John Cena and the WWE Title (Spinner Championship) But Since he hated that Title Design,He chose Batista,Wich I'm glad he did,cause Taker made the Big Gold look cool
I like that new belt way better than the other belt RR has.
Well the universal title looked like trash until brock and roman wore it
@@willg1088no it looked like trash because it was just a red or blue skin on the WWE Championship
How a belt looks says a ton about how the company perceives it
FPJ has great mind for wrestling, i wish some promotion would hire him already
He’s a writer at wwe
@@PACKABOWL420 former, i think they fired him when during the pandemic
He does not have a great mind for wrestling. The WWE went through one of the worst eras in its history with him as one of their “writers”. Obviously there is a team of writers so you can’t solely blame him. Does anyone even know which programs he was responsible for?
@@Stizzfoshizz lol he was involved for what seems to be about two years, I don't think Freddie Prinze Jr is the guy to blame for how bad wrestling was during the guest host era.
@@Stizzfoshizz 2020 onwards?
WCW Heavyweight belt was & still is the best design. That big chunky gold belt was dope.
The new one is trashy. The three big W needs to go.
@@theone5404 And if you take the three logos off the new belt, what does it end up looking like? We all know which belt was the best, but Vince's toxic pride has seeped into the foundations of the organization so everything has to have his logo on it.
The big gold meant more to me than the wwe spinner, especially when guys like HHH, Batista and Taker had it around their waist.
When Batista and Triple H had it they made the big gold look like a true champions prize. Like Batista in a suit with shades, short slick back hair, Rolex watch and then The WHC title to make him known as the top dude on Smackdown.
I miss back when belts signified being a World Champion. Not a brand/ company champion.
To be fair it never has. There have always been other wrestling promotions so you can’t have a world champ if you exclude most of the world
@@thesuperpimpplaya1 That’s true. But the Winged Eagle and WCW’s WHC never had massive brand logos plastered all over them.
@@moosedawgatlantaproductions are you sure about that?
@@paulheap1982 yes I’m sure. They didn’t have any company/ corporate logo bullshit on the main plate. That is why those belts are timeless.
It's almost always been
WWE Champ: best entertainer/charisma
WHC Champ: best wrestler/hardest worker.
True
I can agree with that, makes sense and doesn't take away the value of either of them
That's false
Only thing is many of the same people who held one title ended up holding the other as well.
@@TheEquation007 Very true. I wouldn't say it's the case for everyone, Cena held the world in 2009 while Triple H had the WWE title - in that case you just have 2 massive stars and the belts are interchangeable, it's the wrestler that's the important figure in that case.
More often than not the world is looked at as the secondary title and often rewards the wrestler for his work and can sell tickets when the WWE champ isn't involved. Whereas the WWE champ carries the company and is the frontrunner for promotion.
The main issue is that Roman STILL carries two titles and is referred to as UNDISPUTED champion. They should’ve made him lose one belt. Now there are three, they pretend it’s two, and one is undisputed even though it very much is disputed.
they haven’t inaugurated the WHC title yet
@@night6724 And? The point still stands. It’s secondary, there are now three titles, and this new one will be a consolation prize to the rest of the roster, because as Cena says, Roman is protected.
@@adamburke4738 My point is this dumbass is playing the “well he has two belts card” when the wwe and universal titles are combined. The world title isn’t a secondary title.
@@adamburke4738 and they could’ve easily conceived a triple threat with multiple falls where each fall is for one title and have Roman lose one without being pinned.
@@dasallmaechtigeJ exactly. Sami could have had a Mania moment on Night 2.
Great example is Jinder. They put the title on him and suddenly, overnight, tried to present him as this huge larger than life superstar. Granted, his presentation was awesome, and he did his best to make it work, but no one bought it.
I always saw the World Heavyweight Championship and the WWE-Championship being on the same level.
Even though i agree, that the person who wears it can value or devalue it to some degree.
Delusional child
No way did I ever think of the big gold title as secondary. If you watched from the start of the ruthless aggression to the end. You realized who was what Brand’s champion.
finding out that Fred from the Scooby Doo movies was a writer for WWE felt like 2 of my favorite childhood realms have collided into one 😭
It's just jewelry.... awesome. Their either over or not and a title can't change that.
They’re* for they are. Their means ownership. As in that championship belt is theirs. Fucking hell people don’t even know proper grammar in a world with autocorrect 🤦♂️
Fact's
I mean when i was a kid i always thought the WHC meant more. It just looked so good. With triple H doing anything he can to hold on to it I thought it was the biggest price in the company.
I never felt that way. Both belts felt equally important on Smackdown and Raw. I preferred the World Championship over the spinner belt though.
The World title began to decline after 2010. It stopped main eventing PPVs and mid carders like Swagger, Daniel Bryan and Ziggler began to hold it. It also basically because the “here’s a world title stop asking” for veterans like Kane, Christian, Henry and Big Show
@@night6724 I stopped watching WWE in 2010 but that does makes sense.
@@night6724it began to decline after taker lost it. After that it just seemed as whatever title Cena was holding was the top belt
@@SimonJones265damn man, I stopped watching wrestling from 2003-2008, came back and caught thru insane watching, then stopped again from 2017- 2022 lol.. just caught up around Survivor Series 2023 when Orton came back, been locked in ever since
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When Triple H was wearing it, World title was the real deal
I agree completely with this
The new world heavyweight championship in my eyes is the real world championship in WWE right now because the right person happens and it’s the workhorse championship. People that actually show up to work and don’t get pushed to the moon just to be the marketable guy are the ones who will hold this one.
They felt pretty equal when Edge and Cena had them since they had such a rivalry at that time. I didnt even watch Smackdown like I did Raw but I still felt thats what validated Smackdown.
I felt the same. Both were equal titles until Taker lost the WHC or when Edge had to retire it. After that I just felt like which ever one Cena had was the top belt
The thing is Edge was such a good champ that he became my favourite champion. I was like 8 at the time and a john cena fanboy but Edge was so different i switched fast💀
Keep in mind Summerslam 09 main event was the WHC over Cena👀
Let's be honest, are we really gonna put a singles match for the WWE Title over a TLC match for the world title in the main event?
Plus the Punk/Hardy feud was way more personal and had more heat than Cena/Orton.
@@amarirasheed6edge and undertaker at wm24 main evented over cena v orton v HHH and cena won the rumble that year lol
The big problem is that pretty much everyone can tell it was only created because of how long Roman's reign is and both brands need champs
That was my exact reaction. This belt is a consolation prize. It means nothing compared to ending a 1000+ day title reign. It's the second place belt and it has been for years. They've also devalued the IC belt over the years turning it into something mid-carders fight for.
Me personally I enjoyed the world heavyweight championship better as a kid because it felt like that title whether it was on smackdown or raw felt more like the land of opportunity and more than the same 2-3 guys getting title opportunities
Both guy's are definitely right.
The title that means more is the title that's defended more often. I'm not interested in a title that's gonna be on a guy that wrestles once a month and defends his title quarterly. I care about the belt that is consistently on the line. That's the real primary championship in my mind.
Nailed it! 👍
Miz as WWE Champion and Jack Swagger as World Heavyweight Champion are great examples
yup big time mistake from wwe making these guys champions when they don;t even look like one
MIZ was an excellent WWE Champion tf is you talking about
@@ssasumba Yea man all those matches with Jerry Lawler were all timers.
idk man miz is a good consistent worker he always show up
@@awetyemane4554looks matter in wwe?
I never knew 🤦♂️
I am a big fan of title design, this one is an improvement, but not as much as I was hoping. It’s still too much like a billboard for the brand, to me. The title should be something that people WANT to fight over, that makes people in the crowds want a replica of it. This belt doesn’t do that for me. But it’s a lot less generic and basic than the last one so it’s a decided improvement.
The belts are just props. But they are important props! Winning a title absolutely still means something and gives elevation to who wins them.
its like a trinket on a Christmas tree
Undertaker and Batista fued to me cemented how glorious the big gold truly was.
Taker and Batista 2007 feud and taker and edge in 2008
Honestly belt design does matter. Sure the person can make the Championship mean something but who cares if it looks like a carbon copy of every other fucking title
Of course the belt design matters. You know why Undertaker chose Batista at WM 23 because he hated the design of the spinning wwe title😂
HHH made the WHC feel more important and that was the case until the spinner came into being.
Agreed. WHC had prestige when Batista vs Triple H main evented WM 21. It became secondary the year after.
It’s all about how they book the wrestlers holding the belt. The US title is a joke now but Gunther got that IC belt in a chokehold
The problem is also that on WWE Championship there is still "World Heavyweight Champion" written on it
Not anymore
Undertaker picking The World Heavyweight title when he won the Royal Rumble made that title feel important, to me at least lol
As a kid I definitely looked at the WWE belt as the secondary belt. Cause they had literal monsters in Undertaker, HHH and Batista wearing the big Gold belt.
The WHC was the wrestlers belt and WWE championship was the "superstar" belt and smackdown always made their belt feel prestigious
With Vince's favorite kid holding hostage to both titles, HHH had no choice but to bring back the old title for competition.
All aboard!
I think a Title belt still has to look like it carries prestige especially in Kayfabe and says a lot about all the World Champs that held it not to mention looking like the man
I don’t mind the current WWE Championship title look, but hate that the Universal one looks the exact same.
I miss having the WWE Championship on Raw & World Heavyweight Championship on Smackdown. The toughest people always carried the Heavyweight one, which made it stand out even better because the size of those that carried it.
I love the new titles now. They all have old school looks which were so phenomenal back then. Especially the 90s titles.
I honestly always thought of the World Heavyweight Championship been more valuable than the WWE Championship. As for the WWE Championship, I think that WWE title is more for like the top star or face of the company to have it. I mean, look at Cena and Roman, they have both always gotten for the WWE Championship over the World Heavyweight Championship. If I was a WWE superstar, I would always want to go after the World Heavyweight Championship.
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Its just because its wwe championship and the fact that the original design was from wcw so of course wwe wouldn’t let it be viewed as well. Plus it was mostly on smackdown that used to be the lower tiered show which makes no sense id say it had alot of big names most of the time
The more I learn about FPJ the more I wanna hang out with this man
WWE Champion pretty much represents the face of the company and the company is global. The WHC is like an honorable title. Held buy a leader and fighting champion
Imo Batista made that world heavyweight championship way higher
Freddie knows been in the business long time it’s who’s holding the title that always matters
This makes me think of Cena's US Championship reign when he had the US Open Challenge. That run elevated that belt soooo much and allowed for new stars to be given momentum. Its all about how you use the title, THAT'S what makes a champion legendary
“It’s not the belt that makes man, it’s the man makes the belt.”
I agree with this statement
I couldnt agree more Freddie.
Say what you want about Triple H, but when Triple H held the world heavyweight championship around 02 to 03 and brock Lesnar held the undisputed wwe championship (one of my favorite designs). The world heavyweight championship felt like a major title and smackdown felt like am equal to raw if not a better (especially when Lesnar and angle had segments together). Those were the last good years of wrestling for me. Even if it was Triple h's reign of terror.
I disagree, that era of the heavyweight championship going from Batista, to taker, to edge, ect was amazing, just as good if not better than the WWE championship matches
I remember someonegetting to choose who to face between the 2, and the heavy weight championship was chosen
I always saw it as a more meaningful belt
I definitely agree with him, my favorite titles are the ones that were involved in the best moments. Like when Eddie beat brock lesnar, never was a fan of the undisputed that much until that incredible moment
Let’s go I remember I subscribed when the WWE only had like 80 million subscribers and know they are now just the 10th channel and first sports channel to reach 100 million subscribers on TH-cam!🥳🤩
Really Freddy! Show how much you are about wrestling dude! Me and my friends argue for hours about which belts was the best when we was younger!
undertaker, baptista etc. those were the days, ahhh 😢
What does fpj have to do with wwe?
Are you serious dude he’s a writer for the company 😂😂😭😭😭
@@yungstoubeatz so he went from Freddy on Scooby-Doo to wwe writer? Lol
@@jeremykopshell of a career if you ask me lol
@@KingpinCarlito lmao
@@jeremykops regardless he’s been writing for them since the early 2000s till now for all we know some of the craziest feuds and story lines we’re scripted by him and the team they got
Its hard to say for me at least the the World Heavyweight was secondary. It has a just as big or even bigger legacy than the WWE title, with holders like Ric Flair, Dusty Rhodes, Harley Race, Lou Thesz, the Funks, Steamboat, Sting and more. They are at the very least, equal in stature to one another, and I think them giving the new one to Seth adds to the lineage of greats who have held it, and also gives the new belt some credibility.
Thr WCW belt was always the best belt
WWF was the better "title" - but the WCW *belt* was always a greater gold
Ps. Great diplomatic answer from someone who doesn't want to alienate Vince in the hopes of being brought back
What a mark
Get out virgin
you’re a mark
@@TheAxlDM you’re marky mark
Oh hi, Mark
Big gold to this day will always be loved because it looks like a prize
Aint it weird that the guy from Scooby-Doo was actually hired with WWE?
Yeah, it’s going to be a secondary title unless you get rid of the Universal title or go back to each belt being exclusive to a specific brand
It’s an eyesore. 🖖🏿
Go look in the mirror
Thank you for the compliment Raul .
I was so awestruck when I found out Fred from the first 2 Scooby Doo movies was a writer and producer for WWE
Took me a sec to realize FPJ is Freddie Prince Jr 😳
Every time I see or hear about the Intercontinental Title, I think of:
>The Miz's title reign where he made it relevant.
>Christian's "EXCUSE ME! INTERCONTINENTAL CHAMPION TALKING!"
>Dolph Ziggler(Idk he just really sticks out to me as IC Champion)
>That one iconic feud between Chris Jericho and Chyna
>Drew McIntyre's first run
When I think of the United States Championship, I think of:
>Zack Ryder fighting and ultimately winning it at Wrestlemania
>The Miz when he had Alex Riley as his apprentice
>Dolph Ziggler when he started becoming "The Showoff"
>Jack Swagger and how the title should have always been his, but at the same time how he should have treated it like it was just a trinket because "even without it, I'm still an All-American-American champion of the United States."
>JBL's associate and how for some reason I can never remember his name, but I know he feuded with Cena when it was a spinner belt, the same title that got thrown into a trash can and set on fire
When I think of the World Heavyweight Championship, I think of:
>Undertaker
>Triple H and how this man simply had no morals when it came to that title.
>The first ever WHC run for Daniel Bryan
>18 seconds(IF YOU KNOW YOU KNOW)
>5 TIME, 5 TIME, 5 TIME, 5 TIME, 5 TIME(Though that was when it was the WCW Championship)
When I think of the WWE Championship, I think of:
>The beginning of John Cena being a main event player
>Randy Orton vs John Cena
>CM Punk Money in the Bank
>How even though the Miz BEAT John Cena at Wrestlemania, it was overshadowed by Cena VS Rock set to happen the following year
>Sheamus title reign being during the Nexus run where they rushed the ring and jumped everyone but him, he gets the pin, and they chase him out the arena.
During 2007 I always thought that the World Heavyweight Championship meant a lot more than the WWE Championship. It just has a prestigious feel to it. And every single Wrestler who held that title were so larger than life.
Growing up i always saw those 2 belts as the two top belts kinda like weight classes but on different shows instead of different weight classes
Whao FPJ I loved this dude growing up
Idk why ppl forget vince had the wwe title on smack down for the longest when brock took it to smack down
The World Heavyweight Championship was the top belt from 2002-2005. Shawn Michaels winning it made it a massive deal. Triple H’s reign during Evolution made it the top title. It was the main event at Wrestlemania 20. I personally felt at the time that it should’ve been the main event at Mania 19, but I was a massive Booker T fan in WCW. It was the main event in Mania 21. And Smackdown felt like the B show even if it was the better show, it was still treated as the B show. And Lesnar was still so new, he didn’t have the careers of the guys fighting over the WHC on Raw. I think that 10 month run with JBL as WWE champion hurt that title. I didn’t feel the WWE title post brand split felt as big as it did until Cena brought it to Raw and started feuding with Edge and Triple H and Jericho.
I honestly saw both as the top title to their respective shows.
I guess now that Wrestlemania is two days, and we could have the heavyweight, wwe, and universal it would be so dope. More wrestlers cn get into some matches and have more opportunities to develop as wrestlers
Man makes the belt razor ramon and hbk made intercontinatenal belt a very desried commodity through there ladder matches cena also elevated us championship
Man he was right about that comment about vince not caring much for the WHC than he did about his title. Thats deep. 😮 makes me think he never saw batista in the same ballpark as cena.
Freddie telling the truth
aged like fine milk. both titles are cared about hella
To me I always thought of each title as both the highest pillars in the company just for different brands. Most of the time Raw’s top guy had the WWE championship and smackdown followed suit with the Heavyweight Championship. Both definitely felt like Tier 1 titles for most of the 2000’s and even into the 2010’s
But matter of fact is the big gold looks like a legit piece of championship
It's funny, but Seth was always correct in the big gold being the "Workhorse" title and the WWE title being the "Hollywood" title. Especially when you see who held the big gold up until Seth/Drew/Damien - Undertaker, Batista, Triple H, Goldberg, Jericho, Edge, Cena, Rock, Orton, Shawn Michaels, Scott Steiner, Booker T, Ric Flair, Hulk Hogan, Sting, Randy Savage, Kevin Nash, CM Punk etc.
Having a HW on smack down
&
wwe champion on raw was perfect!!!
I always loved the big gold belt especially when the spinning wwe title was on the opposite show it’s just a classic design the fits every body type damn near
I've always preferred the Big Gold Belt and it's many versions over any other title design.
Imo the new WHC needs to have the logo smaller and I was okay with the black strap Drew had. I’m not mad at the title and it actually looks good on a lot of superstars
That’s why they should only have one version of each belt. You don’t need to have everyone hold a title. That’s part of what made title wins and runs special. One top tier belt, one upper mid card, one tag, one midcard, one women’s.
The Winged Eagle was dope but the Big Gold Belt is perhaps the best looking title belt across all sports
Growing up I saw it them both same level. Because when they make the whc vs wwe champion it was like a battle among best vs best.
Mankind, Shawn Michael, rock, Austin, wwe was enjoyable back in attitude era in late 90's, today it's just guessable scripts and John Cena era was unenjoyable for each person who have seen attitude era 1996 to 2000