I mean if you aren't playing the game, you shouldn't be taking one of the limited spaces. It makes sense that you shouldn't get to keep the space if you're unsubbed.
Yeah I'd rather someone or an FC to actually use the spot! The FC that was right below mine didn't even decorate theirs since the lottery system came into play haha.
Housing rn along with the glamour dresser is prob one of the most ancient systems in this game. And not sure if you know the recent interviews. But confirming the removal of pillars plus changing the stairs or SIZE of the interior is a nice first step. If this comes into apartments where you can even gil sink to upgrade it housing would technically be solved. The devs wanting this "neighborhood" system is so weak cause there's nothing to motivate players to visit their neighbor's homes or go out of their way to socialize with them.
I had no idea about these updates! That's certainly wonderful news for current and future homeowners in the game! Aye, the neighborhood system, if my memory serves me well, also exists because they intentionally.wamtrd housing to be rare too haha
yeah, they changed the rules back in stormblood but players figured out to use alts to take control of multiple fc's. so you can actually have 8 fc's per server instead of just what the rule says. the devs tried to close this by making it so you gotta be a member of a fc for 30 days before you can take over but its a bad fix. they need to make it long enough that house selling dies off completely
Technically you are paying rent in any subscription game, but a lot of people prefer that to gacha games for pretty obvious reasons. To save time, there are better videos and articles out there on how such sustems are way more predatory than anything described here. I do think the implementation of instanced housing is a lot more complicated than people presume, it certainly isnt "easy." Though they told people to not expect housing with island sanctuary, it does feel like this system is slowly becoming instanced housing, thanks to feature creep, and I am excited to see what they are planning with the Dawntrail version.
I used Rent to mainly describe how I was only paying to keep the house instead of actually playing the game mostly! Instanced Housing if they worked on it a long time ago probably would've been a huge mess. But since they created Island Sanctuary, that kind of shows that was always a possibility. Since there's a lot of games that have instanced housing that stretch over at least a couple decades worth of MMOs, there's no shortage of MMOs that have done it too. But this game is also riddled with spaghetti code from 1.0 still haha
@@sylvieclos Yaaaa, gotta say haven't paid EA in years and barely log on any more. Yet, due to me being the last member of my guild I still own my ship and guild hall. And, my house well that forever to because instance housing was something Swtor valued highly back when FF14 was still in 1.0. So, as I stare at my virtual mansion in Ff14 I still ponder why a game far older was capable of doing and has still been able to do something this one has yet to be able to do correctly.
I got my mist Small back during the placard clicking im holding on that house until the soul death of Eorzea. Something about that keeps me attached to that house. That said you probably made the day for some random FC or more likely another night club. Me personally only playing 3 years Ive just gonna into the habit of buying a years worth of game time cards and using them if it seems worth with. I just use my tax check works out pretty well.
I’ve been playing and subbed since the launch of ARR. The housing system isn’t great, but it’s a lot better than any living MMORPG that I know of, most of them don’t even have housing. Thinking that the developers are unwilling to solve the obvious issue with housing is a a bit silly, I think. The game is older, code is messed up and we have no idea how difficult it is to work with. It’s easy to say “Wildstar gave every player an instanced housing plot at level 15, why can’t FFXIV do that?” but we don’t know the answer. I bet they would if they could. FFXIV has constantly done things to improve the player experience throughout the years. As far as having to log in to keep a house, that’s fine by me. People who have left the game for a while and don’t intend to return shouldn’t be taking up limited resources. However, I do think it would better solved by paying rent via gil instead of a sub. Sometimes people just can’t manage to log in every 40 days.
Island Sanctuary existing is basically proof that players could have their own personal housing in an instanced setting. The furnishing system is actually, in a way, better because you only need one copy of an item that you can freely duplicate it. You just have purely outdoor furnishings. The fix is literally right there haha. It exists! They just have to pull the trigger to do it!
The entire housing system in FFXIV is a subscription retention model. Preventing the sale and voluntary transfer of houses as well as keeping the supply well below demand is all 100% intentional. I’m now stuck in what is now an FC ward. Empty houses are all around me, and the populated ones are largely owned by a single lala player with 1-person FCs.
Yeah I really wish I could've just given it to an FC or to a friend! It's totally intentional but it just really feels scummy especially when I look at other MMOs and things haha
@@sylvieclos That’s the worst part! The closest model I know if is LOTRO, which uses instanced neighborhoods as well. It lets you queue up months of upkeep using ingame money, and autogenerates new neighborhoods when old ones are mostly full. It’s still meaningful to get a mansion, but EVERYONE can get a house in the zone they want. If only…
Yoshi P wants us to experience and play other games... meanwhile this! Maybe if the demolition timer was 2-3 months or a year without entering the home that would be better... It's why I opted for a in game apartment so I have the freedom to come and go as I please.
@@sylvieclos honestly I wish I could just build a house on island sanctuary like how you can in Tears of the Kingdom ( except not limited to 15 pieces ).
@@canuckraven I think the primary problem is just how rare they intentionally make housing. Even if you have an active player they probably don't even use their house too. Or they'll just use it to go to a market board in private. Shortening the demo timer is also a bit rough because some people do go on vacation for a few weeks.
i had a large mansion too, but after playing endwalker msq i kinda just stopped playing, eventually SE demo'd the house and i was like "well, guess no reason to resub now" and haven't gone back to it, might go back to it when expansion drops to play through msq.. but i don't feel like putting as much time into it as i used to, the rent thing did feel very real though, for awhile i did just keep my sub up just so i didn't lose the house, but in the end i just stopped caring
I have a house and sub this game one month every two month, and often come back near the end of an ongoing event. House and limited-time events are two things i dislike about FF14. I cap tome, weekly stuffs and levequests to raise gil, then alting through MSQ story with my remaining time.
I did the same but I waited for the demolition timer to at least get part of the money back. I`m on the last days of my sub and I too don`t know if I`ll come back to this game that I spend close to 7k hours on.
I never get why people care so much about housing anyway. You spend a week decorating it then forget it even exists until you get an angry email. Even new housing wards are ghost towns after a couple days. Now that I think on it they're basically just NFTs. Virtual ownership with demand created through artificial scarcity. I always always of the opinion any house bigger then a small should be reserved exclusively for FCs over a set member size. (EG can only get a large if you have 100 guild members) But of course that change is no longer an option without enraging the most devoted portion of the player base.
Good on you for taking such a strong move! I have been through this with other gacha games. This video was so well put together, and a nice showcase. I hope it at least becomes a landmark of your good times with it.
Most games don't even have housing systems; WoW doesn't, and it's still the biggest MMO ever. The housing system in FFXIV has always been difficult but it's pretty much unique. They have coding and data restrictions to deal with that make it prohibitive to add infinite housing wards (which would remove the necessity of the demo timer). Calling the system cancerous is pretty hostile language, when it's a feature that costs them money - both in terms of data storage and development time - and doesn't directly make them money. They have it in so that people enjoy it, because that's what they want. Sure, you could say that's their business model since it's a subscription-based game, but far better that than getting nickel and dimed by microtransactions. It can suck to lose your house to the timer.. I did, on Balmung. But I got a new one when Ishgard housing finally came out. I know I'm lucky in that, but I also know that sometimes you just need to do other things.. that's how I lost my first house in the first place, and I don't blame the game for that. Do what you gotta do! At worst, you could transfer to a lower-pop server and get a new house there more easily anyway.
The thing is, they actually have had the ability to give instanced customizable housing. The Island Sanctuary that is available for each player is basically proof of that. They just intentionally keep actual housing limited so you have to actively be subscribed to keep it. There's plenty of MMOs and games that give you a personal house if they actually want that as a feature. Wards make housing limited and even that system is faulty because most wards look like ghost towns. Island Sanctuary is something every single person has access too and they didn't even intend it to be personal housing. They only semi recently added the ability to customize it by letting you have furnishing. Actually in a way it's even better since you only need one item copy haha. So the actual resources and coding is there. It's existing in the game right now.
This is one of the many reasons I just stay on free trial and enjoy what they offer for free. I refuse to get locked into a subscription where I am forced to pay them money just to have access to my character or items that I put all this time into. Sure I would love to experience Endwalker and Shadowbringers, but the second I switch from free-trial into a subscription, I can never go back. I am immediately stuck, paying that monthly subscription until the end of time if I want to continue to play the game. And I can never go back to just having my free trial character be free to come and go as I please. I don't like that feeling of being forced into something. I also don't like the idea of spending literally 100's or even thosands of dollars on a game. I prefer a one time fee for my games like they used to be. I want the disc, I want to own it and I don't want to have to keep paying to have access to it.
So many stuff are timegated in this game. You'll fall behind heavily if you take a break. Yet everyone screams "FF is a game that doesn't make you feel obligated to sub every month". Going by that logic, I'm not obligated to eat and breathe either lmao
I'm curious, what are you referring to when you say "fall behind"? I'm a long time player, but I've always felt like I can jump back into the game comfortably and do the new stuff that I've missed out on from previous patches.
People say that because the catchup mechanics are incredibly simple. Older gear is mass rollable, the gear needed for any instance gets shifted down into the lower tomestone, etc. I don't think there is an MMO out there that let's you miss a few patches and immediately farm into the latest normal raid within a few hours, putting you were you would have been on the patch release. You can probably do that in less time than it takes to watch the cutscenes.
I actually think FFXIV is the one MMO that you aren't obligated to sub every month. You could sub every major patch or if there's content you're interested in. The general content outside of Savage and Ultimates are so easy you just need the minimum! You don't need BIS Gear to clear content in general and you can always wait even longer to get all the Tome Gear AND upgrade pieces without waiting once a week. You'll fall behind, yes, but in the grand scheme of things, does it really matter? That's why I made this video because the house was my obligation haha.
what is even timegated? You can do content anytime you want, all msq dungeons are 100% soloable now, you can ask people on PF for help with trial completions, and gear is lax enough you don't need to be doing savage to keep up with base requirements. Even holiday events get their items re-released on the cash shop, so you don't even really miss out on the glams or mounts in the end if you really care that much. Literally the only thing you need to tryhard at is BiS for ultimates or final tier current savage, and if you're doing ultimates or current tier savage on release, you weren't taking a break in the first place.
This is one of easiest games to catch up with. >_> I stopped playing normally for about a year, I just got back October 9th and I’m already able back up doing everything aside Ultimates and Savage raiding (which I’m not that interested in these days anyway).
There is instanced housing available to players. Appartments.
My phrasing was off but I meant houses in particular. Apartments are also limited too per ward!
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@@korygraves6739 aaaayyyy!
I mean if you aren't playing the game, you shouldn't be taking one of the limited spaces. It makes sense that you shouldn't get to keep the space if you're unsubbed.
Yeah I'd rather someone or an FC to actually use the spot! The FC that was right below mine didn't even decorate theirs since the lottery system came into play haha.
OMG cool house, including the hidden chamber ;-)
I feel the same about Endwalker, and I actually also stayed subscribed mainly because of my houses...
LOL! And yeah Endwalker was when I really questioned things like this myself too haha
Housing rn along with the glamour dresser is prob one of the most ancient systems in this game. And not sure if you know the recent interviews. But confirming the removal of pillars plus changing the stairs or SIZE of the interior is a nice first step. If this comes into apartments where you can even gil sink to upgrade it housing would technically be solved.
The devs wanting this "neighborhood" system is so weak cause there's nothing to motivate players to visit their neighbor's homes or go out of their way to socialize with them.
I had no idea about these updates! That's certainly wonderful news for current and future homeowners in the game!
Aye, the neighborhood system, if my memory serves me well, also exists because they intentionally.wamtrd housing to be rare too haha
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yeah, they changed the rules back in stormblood but players figured out to use alts to take control of multiple fc's. so you can actually have 8 fc's per server instead of just what the rule says. the devs tried to close this by making it so you gotta be a member of a fc for 30 days before you can take over but its a bad fix. they need to make it long enough that house selling dies off completely
Technically you are paying rent in any subscription game, but a lot of people prefer that to gacha games for pretty obvious reasons. To save time, there are better videos and articles out there on how such sustems are way more predatory than anything described here.
I do think the implementation of instanced housing is a lot more complicated than people presume, it certainly isnt "easy." Though they told people to not expect housing with island sanctuary, it does feel like this system is slowly becoming instanced housing, thanks to feature creep, and I am excited to see what they are planning with the Dawntrail version.
I used Rent to mainly describe how I was only paying to keep the house instead of actually playing the game mostly!
Instanced Housing if they worked on it a long time ago probably would've been a huge mess. But since they created Island Sanctuary, that kind of shows that was always a possibility. Since there's a lot of games that have instanced housing that stretch over at least a couple decades worth of MMOs, there's no shortage of MMOs that have done it too.
But this game is also riddled with spaghetti code from 1.0 still haha
@@sylvieclos Yaaaa, gotta say haven't paid EA in years and barely log on any more. Yet, due to me being the last member of my guild I still own my ship and guild hall. And, my house well that forever to because instance housing was something Swtor valued highly back when FF14 was still in 1.0. So, as I stare at my virtual mansion in Ff14 I still ponder why a game far older was capable of doing and has still been able to do something this one has yet to be able to do correctly.
I got my mist Small back during the placard clicking im holding on that house until the soul death of Eorzea. Something about that keeps me attached to that house.
That said you probably made the day for some random FC or more likely another night club.
Me personally only playing 3 years Ive just gonna into the habit of buying a years worth of game time cards and using them if it seems worth with. I just use my tax check works out pretty well.
Hoping that someone will actively use that plot is all I'd ever want for it. Passing the torch!
I’ve been playing and subbed since the launch of ARR. The housing system isn’t great, but it’s a lot better than any living MMORPG that I know of, most of them don’t even have housing.
Thinking that the developers are unwilling to solve the obvious issue with housing is a a bit silly, I think. The game is older, code is messed up and we have no idea how difficult it is to work with. It’s easy to say “Wildstar gave every player an instanced housing plot at level 15, why can’t FFXIV do that?” but we don’t know the answer. I bet they would if they could. FFXIV has constantly done things to improve the player experience throughout the years.
As far as having to log in to keep a house, that’s fine by me. People who have left the game for a while and don’t intend to return shouldn’t be taking up limited resources. However, I do think it would better solved by paying rent via gil instead of a sub. Sometimes people just can’t manage to log in every 40 days.
Island Sanctuary existing is basically proof that players could have their own personal housing in an instanced setting. The furnishing system is actually, in a way, better because you only need one copy of an item that you can freely duplicate it. You just have purely outdoor furnishings.
The fix is literally right there haha. It exists! They just have to pull the trigger to do it!
You have no idea what you're talking about and have room temp iq.
The entire housing system in FFXIV is a subscription retention model. Preventing the sale and voluntary transfer of houses as well as keeping the supply well below demand is all 100% intentional.
I’m now stuck in what is now an FC ward. Empty houses are all around me, and the populated ones are largely owned by a single lala player with 1-person FCs.
Yeah I really wish I could've just given it to an FC or to a friend! It's totally intentional but it just really feels scummy especially when I look at other MMOs and things haha
To be honest, almost every feature in the game is a subscription retention model.
@@fishsticks2965 True, but in this case I mean in the sense of using FOMO manipulation rather than creating a value add for the customer.
@@sylvieclos That’s the worst part! The closest model I know if is LOTRO, which uses instanced neighborhoods as well. It lets you queue up months of upkeep using ingame money, and autogenerates new neighborhoods when old ones are mostly full. It’s still meaningful to get a mansion, but EVERYONE can get a house in the zone they want. If only…
Yoshi P wants us to experience and play other games... meanwhile this!
Maybe if the demolition timer was 2-3 months or a year without entering the home that would be better...
It's why I opted for a in game apartment so I have the freedom to come and go as I please.
Apartments are definitely the way to go, even if it is limiting!
@@sylvieclos honestly I wish I could just build a house on island sanctuary like how you can in Tears of the Kingdom ( except not limited to 15 pieces ).
demo timer honestly needs to be shortened. too many "owners" just hold onto housing without using it. just keeping a sub and not playing.
@@canuckraven I think the primary problem is just how rare they intentionally make housing. Even if you have an active player they probably don't even use their house too. Or they'll just use it to go to a market board in private. Shortening the demo timer is also a bit rough because some people do go on vacation for a few weeks.
@@canuckraventhat's insane
Hesitation is defeat. But seriously, proud of you for taking such big decision. Next step is doing Isshin no damage n.n
i had a large mansion too, but after playing endwalker msq i kinda just stopped playing, eventually SE demo'd the house and i was like "well, guess no reason to resub now" and haven't gone back to it, might go back to it when expansion drops to play through msq.. but i don't feel like putting as much time into it as i used to, the rent thing did feel very real though, for awhile i did just keep my sub up just so i didn't lose the house, but in the end i just stopped caring
I have a house and sub this game one month every two month, and often come back near the end of an ongoing event. House and limited-time events are two things i dislike about FF14. I cap tome, weekly stuffs and levequests to raise gil, then alting through MSQ story with my remaining time.
I did the same but I waited for the demolition timer to at least get part of the money back. I`m on the last days of my sub and I too don`t know if I`ll come back to this game that I spend close to 7k hours on.
I never get why people care so much about housing anyway. You spend a week decorating it then forget it even exists until you get an angry email. Even new housing wards are ghost towns after a couple days. Now that I think on it they're basically just NFTs. Virtual ownership with demand created through artificial scarcity.
I always always of the opinion any house bigger then a small should be reserved exclusively for FCs over a set member size. (EG can only get a large if you have 100 guild members) But of course that change is no longer an option without enraging the most devoted portion of the player base.
Speak for yourself. I hang out in my garden and in the house while queuing for duties or in PF. I'm there most of the time.
Homeless HOBO GANG!!!!😂😂
Good on you for taking such a strong move! I have been through this with other gacha games. This video was so well put together, and a nice showcase. I hope it at least becomes a landmark of your good times with it.
I've always wanted to do a house tour video so this hits that too haha. MY FINAL TOUR. MY MASTERPIECE. MY LEGACY!
Most games don't even have housing systems; WoW doesn't, and it's still the biggest MMO ever. The housing system in FFXIV has always been difficult but it's pretty much unique. They have coding and data restrictions to deal with that make it prohibitive to add infinite housing wards (which would remove the necessity of the demo timer).
Calling the system cancerous is pretty hostile language, when it's a feature that costs them money - both in terms of data storage and development time - and doesn't directly make them money. They have it in so that people enjoy it, because that's what they want. Sure, you could say that's their business model since it's a subscription-based game, but far better that than getting nickel and dimed by microtransactions.
It can suck to lose your house to the timer.. I did, on Balmung. But I got a new one when Ishgard housing finally came out. I know I'm lucky in that, but I also know that sometimes you just need to do other things.. that's how I lost my first house in the first place, and I don't blame the game for that.
Do what you gotta do! At worst, you could transfer to a lower-pop server and get a new house there more easily anyway.
The thing is, they actually have had the ability to give instanced customizable housing. The Island Sanctuary that is available for each player is basically proof of that.
They just intentionally keep actual housing limited so you have to actively be subscribed to keep it. There's plenty of MMOs and games that give you a personal house if they actually want that as a feature.
Wards make housing limited and even that system is faulty because most wards look like ghost towns.
Island Sanctuary is something every single person has access too and they didn't even intend it to be personal housing. They only semi recently added the ability to customize it by letting you have furnishing. Actually in a way it's even better since you only need one item copy haha.
So the actual resources and coding is there. It's existing in the game right now.
This is one of the many reasons I just stay on free trial and enjoy what they offer for free. I refuse to get locked into a subscription where I am forced to pay them money just to have access to my character or items that I put all this time into. Sure I would love to experience Endwalker and Shadowbringers, but the second I switch from free-trial into a subscription, I can never go back. I am immediately stuck, paying that monthly subscription until the end of time if I want to continue to play the game. And I can never go back to just having my free trial character be free to come and go as I please. I don't like that feeling of being forced into something. I also don't like the idea of spending literally 100's or even thosands of dollars on a game. I prefer a one time fee for my games like they used to be. I want the disc, I want to own it and I don't want to have to keep paying to have access to it.
Lol
So many stuff are timegated in this game. You'll fall behind heavily if you take a break. Yet everyone screams "FF is a game that doesn't make you feel obligated to sub every month". Going by that logic, I'm not obligated to eat and breathe either lmao
I'm curious, what are you referring to when you say "fall behind"? I'm a long time player, but I've always felt like I can jump back into the game comfortably and do the new stuff that I've missed out on from previous patches.
People say that because the catchup mechanics are incredibly simple. Older gear is mass rollable, the gear needed for any instance gets shifted down into the lower tomestone, etc. I don't think there is an MMO out there that let's you miss a few patches and immediately farm into the latest normal raid within a few hours, putting you were you would have been on the patch release. You can probably do that in less time than it takes to watch the cutscenes.
I actually think FFXIV is the one MMO that you aren't obligated to sub every month. You could sub every major patch or if there's content you're interested in. The general content outside of Savage and Ultimates are so easy you just need the minimum! You don't need BIS Gear to clear content in general and you can always wait even longer to get all the Tome Gear AND upgrade pieces without waiting once a week.
You'll fall behind, yes, but in the grand scheme of things, does it really matter?
That's why I made this video because the house was my obligation haha.
what is even timegated?
You can do content anytime you want, all msq dungeons are 100% soloable now, you can ask people on PF for help with trial completions, and gear is lax enough you don't need to be doing savage to keep up with base requirements. Even holiday events get their items re-released on the cash shop, so you don't even really miss out on the glams or mounts in the end if you really care that much.
Literally the only thing you need to tryhard at is BiS for ultimates or final tier current savage, and if you're doing ultimates or current tier savage on release, you weren't taking a break in the first place.
This is one of easiest games to catch up with. >_>
I stopped playing normally for about a year, I just got back October 9th and I’m already able back up doing everything aside Ultimates and Savage raiding (which I’m not that interested in these days anyway).