I agree with you on having a manual trainer out in the garage. I work from home and I go out there for 5-10 minutes 10 times a day in between projects that I'm working on it's a great relaxing tool and I'm learning at the same time how the manual and having a great time also helps with the stress.
100% agreed! Also, I'm not sure if it's all the exercise I'm getting on the trainer or not... but I noticed that a lot of the technical trail sections that I've struggled with in the past feel much easier now. I do feel that this trainer has a lot to do with that.
With the chain off, load your fork more by lowering the chest slightly to the bars, drive the feet into the pedals, and then move your hips and shoulders back at the same time. That will also keep you from jerking on bar up. You are just dead pulling back and dropping your hips. With the chain on and that technique dialed will have you riding manuals down the block. Practice is the key, and timing and muscle memory will come.
@@DuanegerZone I'm an old schooler who rode hiking trails before there were mtb trails in most states. I had to learn how to manual, do wheelies, and lunges bc 2' trees used to be features to be cleared on ungroomed trails... or you would be walking a lot. Now trails are much more groomed and speed and jumps are the focus. Correct manual form really improves all of your skill-set, as does pump track work, and track stands. The fundamentals are boring but they really translate... and you don't hone them on the trail. You have the right work ethic and it will come.
@petedog9581 I have noticed that since I started practicing my manualing, there have been a few technical climbs on trails that used to give me problems that I have maneuvered much more easily than before... I can't help but wonder if it is because of the Manual training.
Believe it or not, it's a generic JGBike hub.... I posted a short that shows the hub (it's the last one in the vid): th-cam.com/users/shorts5Z4njWD371A?si=UJ0wRKxmMIZ5OqxO I love the sound of this hub... and I bought it with the front hub, as a pair, for $78!
@@DuanegerZone Well i think it helps for sure, you just have to stick with it on a daily basis, or every other day and it will be like second nature after a a while. Also, the one from Tilt comes with a chain clutch thing, but i have practiced without the chain from the start. The cable that prevents the bike from flipping over is very good so i would always go hard with lifting the front, my main goal was/is to get that front wheel lift strong for bunny hops, i dont care about the manuals at all actually.
If you get good at sitting on a manual machine in your 'balance point' you still won't be able to manual, but you will be able to loop out consistently which is the first part of being able to manual. So in that sense it's a good way to practice the very first part of learning to manual which is to get comfortable putting your weight back and pushing with your legs rather than pulling with your arms. Wear some butt pads and elbow pads if you've got them, your gonna slam at some point and it's gonna suck but keep practicing.
Fear of looping out is a major reason I wanted a manual trainer... and I definitely know what you mean about being able to hold my balance point on the machine, not translating to manualing on the streets/trails... I can't hold the balance point half as long outdoors as I can on the trainer. I am starting to get more comfortable now... I've been practicing for over a month now - on and off the trainer (I'm really slow at editing and posting)... I'm still not any kind of "good"... but I'm better.... and you're right about pushing forward with my legs as opposed to pulling with my arms. That is the biggest difference for me between the trainer and outdoors... you can't really push your legs forward in the trainer without sliding it across the floor every time you manualed.
@@DuanegerZone Yeah unfortunately the machine isn't going to insulate you from the reality of having to face looping out. I tried the same thing, spent a ton of time on a machine. I could lean back and balance on a machine until Im too tired to continue, and all it did was teach me to loop out, which is an key part. Having consistent engagement is important and the machine will help with that, but the real work comes when you're moving forward. Good luck!
I learned it last year and focused solely on reacting quickly with my rear brake. I never practiced loop out and I dont recommend it because you manual at speed ☝and last thing you want is to jump off bike at speed. Get comfortable using rear brake and go OUTSIDE and practice often. I was super scared when I started and took me 5 months of almost daily practice to shake fear of looping out and figure out the necessary movements. After 12 months I can manual over 350ft regulary in ideal conditions. I am 44 ex-basketball player 😁 It CAN be learned!!! th-cam.com/video/G5aMwxv_A7s/w-d-xo.htmlsi=b0AoEVAaPryg1aCR
Excellent video, Iggy! Amazing what you accomplished in a year... I have been trying to use that rear brake to bring me forward when I feel like I'm going to loop out, but I need to speed up my reflexes! Just subscribed to your channel BTW. Great stuff!
think you need straighter arms and it looks like when you move your hips up and forward you come up. its alot of different mucles to use. id love one of these for my apartment.. its a workout
It absolutely is a full body workout... It's definitely nice to have this in my garage... I was gonna practice out on the streets a couple of days ago, but it was 17 degrees here in Colorado Springs, and I only had a small window of time before work... So I skipped outdoor training that day and jumped on this thing... Thank you for the advice about the arms and hips... I need all the help I can get. Before you know it, I'll cease to be absolutely awful at manualing to being only sub-par... My eventual goal is to be mediocre... As in life.🤣
I'm still far from being impressive... in fact, I've been in the climbing gym more than on my bike lately... I need the day to be at least 36 hours ( And work only three hours a day) to accomplish everything I want! 😆
I'll be honest, Ryan... I'm still not a professional. That being said, I've improved quite a bit...And by quite a bit, I mean that I went from being able to manual for 1- 2 seconds to being able to manual for 3 - 5 seconds. Which I'm actually thrilled with. I counted to 7 on one manual... but I feel that I rush my count when I'm doing it... so it was probably more like 5 seconds. I wish I would've filmed that one, so I would know for sure... although I must admit that my practice has faltered as of late... once I got to a point, I stopped and moved to something else... I haven't even attempted a manual in a while now... it just left my mind... I need to get back at it... although it's tough to use the garage for practice on the trainer now, because my wife got a new car and insists that the garage is for parking cars... can you believe the nerve? 😆
You don't have to take it off there's a product for it now by Tilt Industries, chain is still on but slides on plastic thing. I've not tried it nor a manual machine, I can already do a manual without it, not super good at it. Your chain seems to stay in place not ge tin the way. But depending on the bike and suspension design this might not be feasable.
It looks like you’re trying to pull the front up to your chest with bent arms…Like a beginner trying to wheelie. You have to extend your arms more to get the front up, just as with a wheelie. Then you can bend them slightly
Yeah... I caught on to the "straight arms" thing a little later... my manuals have improved since both videos... however, I did stop practicing... I need to get back at it.... SIDE NOTE: as a side effect of practicing manuals so much, I feel that my climbing technical terrain has improved greatly... which makes since.
Not that I'm an expert but you are not doing a manual... You are just tipping your bike backward and using your muscles to lift the front. A manual requires loading the fork and using the spring effect to get your front up and then ride the back wheel. Look at the travel of your butt, it is going diagonal backward, it should be going in an "L". Straight down toward the seat then straight back. While your butt is moving down all of your weight should be going down loading your fork then using that spring to lift the front when moving backward. Add that motion into your routine to load and lift the front of the bike. Once you manual you can use the exact same motion as the start of a bunny hop. Recap: From standing over the bike, load the suspension straight down then shift your weight back allowing the fork to spring helping the front come up. Then balance in the end of the manual.
Definitely you are not an expert. What about manualing on bikes not having front fork (suspension)? ;-) Definitely he can improve his technique to use more body weight and keep arms straight, but talking about using spring effect is just...funny
@@proteusnexus1428 you are correct about ridged bikes, but this video and my explanation have nothing to do with ridged bikes, just explaining a manual from an MTB with suspension perspective. However explaining the spring effect of the suspension, avoiding explaining preload, is to set up for future progression and it is not funny but useful. Interestingly all of the same mechanics are used in the progression from manual to bunny hop to jumps.
I'm currently working on the straight arms and shifting my weight back.. it's definitely helping... it's crazy how much you have to think about when manualing.... I'm sure as I start to get better.I'll have to think less and less.. I can't wait until I get to that point... I hate having to think! 🤣Thanks for the comment.
Adding spring factor to that equation just unnecessarily complicates the whole thing since depending on how the supspension is set and how much force you use will create different effects. The force you can't precisely control.
You will get it eventually. I see you got potential, but you to do it for real on the street or wherever. But I see you did not do so well out on the street. You were leaning to the front and tilting, then the the front end drops. The technique was all over the place. You need more practice. But on the trainer you got some things right.
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I agree with you on having a manual trainer out in the garage. I work from home and I go out there for 5-10 minutes 10 times a day in between projects that I'm working on it's a great relaxing tool and I'm learning at the same time how the manual and having a great time also helps with the stress.
100% agreed! Also, I'm not sure if it's all the exercise I'm getting on the trainer or not... but I noticed that a lot of the technical trail sections that I've struggled with in the past feel much easier now. I do feel that this trainer has a lot to do with that.
With the chain off, load your fork more by lowering the chest slightly to the bars, drive the feet into the pedals, and then move your hips and shoulders back at the same time. That will also keep you from jerking on bar up. You are just dead pulling back and dropping your hips. With the chain on and that technique dialed will have you riding manuals down the block. Practice is the key, and timing and muscle memory will come.
Thanks for the tips! I can't wait until I can just turn my brain off and manualing becomes second nature.... until then, practice, practice, practice.
@@DuanegerZone I'm an old schooler who rode hiking trails before there were mtb trails in most states. I had to learn how to manual, do wheelies, and lunges bc 2' trees used to be features to be cleared on ungroomed trails... or you would be walking a lot.
Now trails are much more groomed and speed and jumps are the focus. Correct manual form really improves all of your skill-set, as does pump track work, and track stands. The fundamentals are boring but they really translate... and you don't hone them on the trail. You have the right work ethic and it will come.
@petedog9581 I have noticed that since I started practicing my manualing, there have been a few technical climbs on trails that used to give me problems that I have maneuvered much more easily than before... I can't help but wonder if it is because of the Manual training.
1:05 what freehub you use?sick sound dude 🤘
Believe it or not, it's a generic JGBike hub....
I posted a short that shows the hub (it's the last one in the vid):
th-cam.com/users/shorts5Z4njWD371A?si=UJ0wRKxmMIZ5OqxO
I love the sound of this hub... and I bought it with the front hub, as a pair, for $78!
I like to use my trainer in the living room while watching the news. great exercise
As soon as I finish my basement, I'm going to put it in front of a big TV down there... it's a great full body workout.
It is good to see a video like this vs ones where people just get it immediately, heh.
Thanks... yeah, I pretty much gotta keep it real... I'm not a good enough editor to make it seem like I "get it". 🤣
Good progress. I have the balance/manual trainer by Tilt, i have to get back to it, i've stopped practicing on it.
Awesome... Do you feel that the trainer helped you? Any tips?
@@DuanegerZone Well i think it helps for sure, you just have to stick with it on a daily basis, or every other day and it will be like second nature after a a while. Also, the one from Tilt comes with a chain clutch thing, but i have practiced without the chain from the start. The cable that prevents the bike from flipping over is very good so i would always go hard with lifting the front, my main goal was/is to get that front wheel lift strong for bunny hops, i dont care about the manuals at all actually.
If you get good at sitting on a manual machine in your 'balance point' you still won't be able to manual, but you will be able to loop out consistently which is the first part of being able to manual. So in that sense it's a good way to practice the very first part of learning to manual which is to get comfortable putting your weight back and pushing with your legs rather than pulling with your arms. Wear some butt pads and elbow pads if you've got them, your gonna slam at some point and it's gonna suck but keep practicing.
Fear of looping out is a major reason I wanted a manual trainer... and I definitely know what you mean about being able to hold my balance point on the machine, not translating to manualing on the streets/trails... I can't hold the balance point half as long outdoors as I can on the trainer. I am starting to get more comfortable now... I've been practicing for over a month now - on and off the trainer (I'm really slow at editing and posting)... I'm still not any kind of "good"... but I'm better.... and you're right about pushing forward with my legs as opposed to pulling with my arms. That is the biggest difference for me between the trainer and outdoors... you can't really push your legs forward in the trainer without sliding it across the floor every time you manualed.
@@DuanegerZone Yeah unfortunately the machine isn't going to insulate you from the reality of having to face looping out. I tried the same thing, spent a ton of time on a machine. I could lean back and balance on a machine until Im too tired to continue, and all it did was teach me to loop out, which is an key part. Having consistent engagement is important and the machine will help with that, but the real work comes when you're moving forward. Good luck!
I learned it last year and focused solely on reacting quickly with my rear brake. I never practiced loop out and I dont recommend it because you manual at speed ☝and last thing you want is to jump off bike at speed. Get comfortable using rear brake and go OUTSIDE and practice often. I was super scared when I started and took me 5 months of almost daily practice to shake fear of looping out and figure out the necessary movements. After 12 months I can manual over 350ft regulary in ideal conditions. I am 44 ex-basketball player 😁 It CAN be learned!!!
th-cam.com/video/G5aMwxv_A7s/w-d-xo.htmlsi=b0AoEVAaPryg1aCR
Excellent video, Iggy! Amazing what you accomplished in a year... I have been trying to use that rear brake to bring me forward when I feel like I'm going to loop out, but I need to speed up my reflexes! Just subscribed to your channel BTW. Great stuff!
think you need straighter arms and it looks like when you move your hips up and forward you come up.
its alot of different mucles to use. id love one of these for my apartment.. its a workout
It absolutely is a full body workout... It's definitely nice to have this in my garage... I was gonna practice out on the streets a couple of days ago, but it was 17 degrees here in Colorado Springs, and I only had a small window of time before work... So I skipped outdoor training that day and jumped on this thing... Thank you for the advice about the arms and hips... I need all the help I can get. Before you know it, I'll cease to be absolutely awful at manualing to being only sub-par... My eventual goal is to be mediocre... As in life.🤣
youre doing way better than me lol. I still cant manual.
I'm still far from being impressive... in fact, I've been in the climbing gym more than on my bike lately... I need the day to be at least 36 hours ( And work only three hours a day) to accomplish everything I want! 😆
Any updates on your manuals? Trying to learn myself
I'll be honest, Ryan... I'm still not a professional. That being said, I've improved quite a bit...And by quite a bit, I mean that I went from being able to manual for 1- 2 seconds to being able to manual for 3 - 5 seconds. Which I'm actually thrilled with. I counted to 7 on one manual... but I feel that I rush my count when I'm doing it... so it was probably more like 5 seconds. I wish I would've filmed that one, so I would know for sure... although I must admit that my practice has faltered as of late... once I got to a point, I stopped and moved to something else... I haven't even attempted a manual in a while now... it just left my mind... I need to get back at it... although it's tough to use the garage for practice on the trainer now, because my wife got a new car and insists that the garage is for parking cars... can you believe the nerve? 😆
You don't have to take it off there's a product for it now by Tilt Industries, chain is still on but slides on plastic thing. I've not tried it nor a manual machine, I can already do a manual without it, not super good at it.
Your chain seems to stay in place not ge tin the way. But depending on the bike and suspension design this might not be feasable.
I'll have to check that out... I've never heard of it before.
@@DuanegerZone It doubles as a repair stand.
It looks like you’re trying to pull the front up to your chest with bent arms…Like a beginner trying to wheelie. You have to extend your arms more to get the front up, just as with a wheelie. Then you can bend them slightly
Yeah... I caught on to the "straight arms" thing a little later... my manuals have improved since both videos... however, I did stop practicing... I need to get back at it.... SIDE NOTE: as a side effect of practicing manuals so much, I feel that my climbing technical terrain has improved greatly... which makes since.
Not that I'm an expert but you are not doing a manual... You are just tipping your bike backward and using your muscles to lift the front. A manual requires loading the fork and using the spring effect to get your front up and then ride the back wheel. Look at the travel of your butt, it is going diagonal backward, it should be going in an "L". Straight down toward the seat then straight back. While your butt is moving down all of your weight should be going down loading your fork then using that spring to lift the front when moving backward. Add that motion into your routine to load and lift the front of the bike. Once you manual you can use the exact same motion as the start of a bunny hop. Recap: From standing over the bike, load the suspension straight down then shift your weight back allowing the fork to spring helping the front come up. Then balance in the end of the manual.
Definitely you are not an expert. What about manualing on bikes not having front fork (suspension)? ;-) Definitely he can improve his technique to use more body weight and keep arms straight, but talking about using spring effect is just...funny
@@proteusnexus1428 you are correct about ridged bikes, but this video and my explanation have nothing to do with ridged bikes, just explaining a manual from an MTB with suspension perspective. However explaining the spring effect of the suspension, avoiding explaining preload, is to set up for future progression and it is not funny but useful. Interestingly all of the same mechanics are used in the progression from manual to bunny hop to jumps.
My technique (or lack there of) definitely needs work... I have watched a video about the "L" movement. Thanks for the tips.
I'm currently working on the straight arms and shifting my weight back.. it's definitely helping... it's crazy how much you have to think about when manualing.... I'm sure as I start to get better.I'll have to think less and less.. I can't wait until I get to that point... I hate having to think! 🤣Thanks for the comment.
Adding spring factor to that equation just unnecessarily complicates the whole thing since depending on how the supspension is set and how much force you use will create different effects. The force you can't precisely control.
You will get it eventually. I see you got potential, but you to do it for real on the street or wherever. But I see you did not do so well out on the street. You were leaning to the front and tilting, then the the front end drops. The technique was all over the place. You need more practice. But on the trainer you got some things right.
Exactly right... on the street, I'm thinking too much... I'm hesitating. I need to commit. I'm getting better now though.