29:30 "Their only real risk was the taming and mounting system and I wish they had done more with that" - He says as he kills a boss spider that, once weakened, you can literally tame/mount. Like, it's actually kind of astonishing how many mobs in this game you CAN turn into a mount. I remember playing this game pretty extensively and collecting so many of them.
@@GamePandaXXL I wouldn't have, & I'm sure many people wouldn't have realised it. I didn't know you could ride the bears & deer in Breath of the Wild until like three years into owning the game
@@BooksandBuns i mean im someone that grew up with Pokemon and im an achievement hunter to the max.. so having a tame mechanic means im gonna try and tame everything i see. but after the boss boar im really irritated he didnt even try it again
Wait... wait... this is called Riders of Icarus. Riders. RIDERS. The focus of the game is collecting mounts. The rest of the game is so generic because it's about letting players have any mount or pet, that other games have you pay for. I love it.
I now want to see an anime where the main character doesn't understand the language that everyone else is speaking, yet he still always manages to do the right thing
There actually IS a Manga similar to this. Classic Isekai stuff but the goddess who summoned the MC thought he was too ugly so she never blessed him with basic language skills for the New world. All he understands at first is Monsters. Everything from there is more or less basic OP Main Character Stuff but it is interesting i'd say.
@@Kpop_stole_foids_fromcurrycell And as we could see, having the game design be the same as everyone else means previous experience has more influence than intuitive design.
@@aeonamadi which means there is proof that flat UI is inferior to a 3d-style interface with shadows. cause when the user has to click on each element to figure out which is interactive and which is just descriptive...
28:15 game programmer here, seems like you found the perfect spot to see shadow draw distance not just as a circle on the ground, but as a rectangular segment of a sphere area that it actually is.
"It's an MMO law that we need to kill some boars" is reminding me of the joke in LOTRO where you're given a timed quest to kill some boars in the *only* region of the game where there are *no* boars. When the timer runs out-and there's nothing to stop you doing other, more useful things in the meantime-you return to the quest-giver who is incredulous that you couldn't find any and moans about wanting some delicious boar-steak. Later in the game someone else asks you to kill some boars in preparation for a banquet and then asks why you are laughing…
It's an mmo law that every MMO needs a spider related monster. Same as any anime there has to be a monkey with staff. (Even as unknown, unrelated forgotable character it has to be shown once)
Hanuman/Monkey King feels like the Eastern version of the Merlin/Dumbledore trope - in every Western MMO there must be a wizened old man with a robes and white beard that does magic.
i cant remember my 2 favorite animes having beach episode or hot spring episode. A-channel and clannad. clannad has been sitting for a while as my favorite anime of all time, no doubt.
There are a couple generic early game enemies, both on MMOs and singleplayer RPGs. Typically wolves, slimes, rats, boars, etc. Stuff that is relatively normal and harmless. And in some cases they even deconstruct the whole thing. Like the first fighters guild quest in Oblivion. Some lady has problems with the rats in her basement. They are her pets and are getting killed by mountain lions. So you have to head out and get rid of the mountain lions, not the rats. And a good twist would be to have that kind of "wolves are dangerous, go kill 20 wolves" and when you've looked everywhere and return to tell the questgiver there aren't any wolves anywhere on the map, the NPC will thank you for killing ALL the wolves.
To be fair all the glowing objects and the pictures help a lot, you can't do the same with other mmorpg or at least not with every quest, they made a really good job making it really intuitive.
@@TheModernGafa If anyone can pull it off I'd say the creators of Journey and Sky could do it. Half their game is symbols and telling stories through showing rather than telling.
Theres a third option on the whole "we crashed and now theres a campsite thing" that i think quite a lot of game devs use, "you were knocked out for longer than the game portrays and they built the camp while you were out" which is slightly better than the other options but is still a pet peeve of mine.
That's my favourite because it implies that you were unconscious for at least 40 minutes or so and they just left you lying in the dirt in full armour on your back or face, and then when you woke up after such a long period of unconsciousness the response is always essentially "oh good you're up, go get me some wood."
@@derinedala5032 I don't think these people realise how bad that would be. if you lose conciseness for more than a few minutes the risk of permanent brain damage is extremely high.
The language of question marks, also a number of botw players say playing it in a different language makes it better cause you can't understand how bad the voice acting is
I'm from Russia, and when I was a kid, half of my Dendy (Russian/Chinese NES clone) were either in Chinese, or Japanese, I still have no idea which. And let me tell you, we had fun with them!
it's actually quite nice. Been playing the game for a few hours and you can tame almost everything. You even get achivements for taming specific monsters in a certain area, like titles. But you can't tame everything just like that, since some monsters have conditions for it. Like have this item (that you'd only get through a quest from this npc) or have gathered this specific thing that the monster likes or have killed this type before to gain dominance or have inflicted this amount of dmg beforehand. Also you can attack from and with your mount, which comes in handy during later stages where airial battle is introduced
@@May-Hope Agreed, I haven't played it for quite a while now, but I used to spend a lot of time on the game. When asked what sets the game apart, from others, the mounts are definitely one of the things that I'd offer as an answer. Personally, I wish we could do maybe a bit more with the mounts, as you can't do a lot when first starting off, and even then it takes a while to learn the necessary skills to attack with your mount. You'll end up getting mostly flying mounts anyway, since they can reach places quicker and are much more helpful. I've wished for such a game for ages, so I absolutely loved it, but I will say, it can get boring after a while. Despite the mounts, it's a generic MMO which requires you to spend way too much time on certain stuff. Overall, I did like it quite a lot, but I'm also not exactly surprised when people get bored of it.
Icarus is the only MMO that has that mechanic for free. It's sad the game is dead and broken because of the new owners. Well, it was dead way before it got sold...
@FiestaFrankah I will explain the joke. The guy said that like world war one this game uses carrier pigeons to send messages. A carrier pigeon is a bird with a note tied to its legs and flys to a location it is trained to remember. As you can imagine this is not very fast for autherizing new players into the server.
Everytime I find a waterfall in a game, I always go "I SUMMON YOU TO FULFILL YOUR OATH" and expect my goddamn chest to behind it. Oh, sorry, I mean, ????????? ? ???? ? ????????? ?? ? ????, ? ?????? ?? "? ?????? ??? ?? ??????? ???? ????" ??? ?????? ?? ??????? ????? ?? ?????? ??.
Guys you're all wrong. All RPG have a treasure hidden behind a waterfall. Except, it's usually one or two waterfall in the entire world -- or it would get stale quickly. So, no treasure behind that waterfall doesn't mean there is none. Even the marvel that are Skyrim and Elden Ring let most of their waterfalls untreasured.
Here in Brazil we had a server localy. The company behind the game here (Gameflip), made the game more difficult increasing the damage we took, the mobs health and the experience that we obtained from quest's was decrease. They also made the game FULL F2P, without any P2W. So, the game was a huge sucess here, but then VALOFE got the license to publish the game and ruined everything.
Interesting, im brazillian and i don't think i have ever heard of this mmo before. The biggest mmo hits that i know of in this country are Ragnarok and Tibia.
As a Russian, I'm chuckling like a madman right now :D Btw, the lady was constantly saying "You have no target selected" P.S. It just occured to me... that's exactly how Russians who dunno English at all must see every single eu/us mmorpg without the localization - like a total mish-mashed clusterfuck of unknown symbols... ha. Funny actually xD
This should be an anime where the MC is seen as mysterious and never talks but it's because he has no idea what anyone is speaking and is just trying to get home.
@@canislupid2466 If you're referring to the Al Bhed language, I think he canonically doesn't actually learn it (but I'm not exactly sure about that) but even then it's mainly for two sidequest things
I forgot the name but there is a manhwa where the isekai'ed guy asks to be returned but gets cursed by the goddess and thrown into a forest, the curse makes him not understand humans but understand other monsters races like orcs and stuff
I do like the idea of a main character hero who has no clue what hes doing, where he is or why hes doing it, but accidentally manages to save the world
"A wooden ballista bolt hits the wooden deck of a wooden ship, and so of course, they explode into flames!" yeah, that bit of this cutscene confuzzled me
Josh : "Look at my horse, my horse is amazing" Me : "Give it a lick" Josh : "Ha huh, All the old people in the audience just sang the next line .." Me : "Damn ..."
One year later, but I just realized something: This is the PERFECT way to test a MMO and see if the ingame systems are still operational and approachable.
@@DautFromXWell, thats the point: NOT having to guess. For example: he correctly guessed the layout of the first quest post tutorial. Without reading, just by using the visual cues he had available.
My takeaway is that getting mounts by taming them is an amazing mechanic. It's functionally similar to a hunter taming pets, but for mounts. More games should have this.
19:06 "I kick a wolf to death. That sounds like a very Russian thing to do." - I lost it there. So damn funny. And yes very true. Generic gameplay? Absolutely, but so good to listen to the commentary.
@@Salsmachev yah, just very average. Edit: though I think it actually looks really nice, it might just be personal taste but I Think the lighting is gorgeous.
When he said "I'm old too", I laughed and subsequently died a little inside knowing that I once listened to a 12 hour version of Amazing Horse non-stop. Anyway, every game should be intuitive enough to play without language understanding to some degree!
"How would Tera do this?" OK, I lol'ed. Also, I almost want to play this game, this video and the one covering Tera in 2021 gave me a lot of nostalgia.
TERA is a Good MMO wrapped in so much bad execution its honestly impressive. Like, give me a WoW-killer scale MMO with TERA gameplay and actually follow the design principles set out by that combat system. implement primarily real armor but add a few fanservice options. Let people do full color armor dye. Do a simplified equipment system of like, 8 slots. and make the slots work like WoW Trinkets.
This is so much funnier if you think of the main character as an insane foreigner who doesn't speak the land's native language and is just doing all these things and quests because they look fun. "Oh a unicorn! Let's ride it!" "Oh a giant rhino man, let's kill him!" "I don't know what you just said, man in armor, but I'm gonna go blow up those ballistae, thanks for the bombs!"
Учитывая, что вы не говорите по-русски и вам пришлось проходить эту игру с такой большой форой, вы действительно неплохо поработали! Благодарю вас Josh Strife Hayes :)
That was great. I think your extensive MMO and tutorial background definitely helped. As a non MMO player there was an equal amount of stuff I could have figured out versus stuff that was just too opaque. Which I take it to mean that there was some intuitive design and some MMO convention mixed together.
Honestly it's kinda cool that you did as well as you did without being able to read it. It looks like a lot of it was tropes like how to use the menus but some aspects seem like they were intuitive like color usage.
My friend introduced me to this game when it first launched and let me tell you it was great, there were less bugs and it wasnt p2w as it is now, we spent so many hours on this game, then after a while we lost interest and stopped playing, a few years later we decide to play again and we return to this steaming pile. To say we were disappointed was an understatement.
I often forget which MMORPG is which out of numerous titles with the format of of -- Echo of Soul, Crusaders of Light, Champions of Titan, Riders of Icarus, Return of Warrior, Tree of Savior, Runes of Magic, etc. If it wasn't for Meg loving dragons and me keeping a list of dragon-centric MMORPGs for that purpose -- I'd likely not remember anything about this one either. Mediocre MMORPGs are the worst, given there's usually nothing so terrible about the games to be unintentionally amusing nor anything that's legitimately fun. I've enjoyed my time with Rebirth Online and Bloodlines of Prima more than the mediocre titles of this series, given the horrific games are full of baffling design choices, broken systems, and unintentionally comical writing.
if mag loves dragons, play "dragons prophet." it isnt as good story / dungeon / itemgrind wise, but its super in dragon taming and crossbreeding :D . also the housing and armor customization has a good implementation. the daily login rewards are shit though (kinda what made me quit and come back to ROI- together with the fighting system etc)
@@kliersheed We already do.:) There's a private server for dragon's prophet given the live servers are shut down. Her favorite is actually Istaria because you can actually play as as a dragon. Dragons have their own skill trees, crafting systems, etc. I wouldn't recommend Istaria to most people, but if you want something unique and are willing to look past painfully dated mechanics (and a UI that was never good), it's fun. We typically make our own story and don't care about dungeons or gear grinding, which is probably why we have a preference for DP over RoI. One of these days I'll give RoI a more thorough playthrough, though.
i used to play this game a year or 2 so ago, my main reason was just the taming system, though that got repetitive quickly, as half the mounts were missing atleast some animations, the game was boring as hell since all the quests were "kill this many of this" or "interract with this sparkly thing" and they never even tried any other quest type, they kept reusing models for mounts and just recoloring them eventhough this game is supposed to have many "unique" mounts, and the sheer lazyness of the design gets clearer and clearer the longer you go on for, and ontop of lazy design its also full of bugs, and most of the bugs they "patch" by removing the feature that caused it, like being able to ride one mount with several people (this was only for 3 or so mounts), but they removed it because player positions got bugged. i really dont recommend this game to anyone at all.
Any idea what he was supposed to do for that one quest that he couldn't figure out then? Wondering if since he just got the chain attack, he was supposed to chain them once they started to run away, but i'm also assuming he tried that out first.
This is my fav mmo, i don't know what do you expect?? Killing mobs and interacting is literally every mmo. they reused same animation because its the same type of mount but different tier. this is basically complaining for complain sake.
@@OxOx_XoXo1 you either haven't played many MMO's or Haven't played many good ones. an MMO with Killing mobs and interacting is like a plain piece of bread. congrats on having food but you probably want more than just this. the mount system was like discovering Strawberry Jam for the first time. Really cool but even still your gonna want variety before long. most MMO's even bad ones have quite a few different kinds of quests and mechanics. to be fair to this game it is entirely possible there were some he could not figure out on account of not being able to launch the version in a language he could understand. but from what we saw this was a basic if good looking MMO. not bad but not good either. certainly doesn't deserve the title of worst (which is what he thought about a couple of other games in this series.) just off the top of my head for things this game is missing to be even a basic MMO where are the Raids?, Dungeons?, Group content in general? PVP arena? overworld events? Optional Bosses? Traversal Challenges? Faction Events? basically all of the Massively Multiplayer Elements of the Massively Multiplayer Online Genre are missing from this game. I mean he was even fairly complimentary for this series and he could have torn into what the game seems to lack quite a bit more. however he probably didn't because he can't be sure the game didn't try to tell him about such features in the ?????????????????
@@scorpioneldar Holy shi- People have their own preferences, riders of icarus mount system is unique and i love it and ofc it has its flaws but its not the worst game.
@@OxOx_XoXo1 yes people do have their own preferences. but you asked what we EXPECT and I replied. I EXPECT that a MMO will have basic MMO content. this game doesn't. which tends to be a running theme in the "Worst MMO" Series. he isn't hating on the game for no reason nor is he complaining for complaining's sake. there is plenty of reason not to like this game False Advertising near the top of the list. this game plays like an Online RPG not an MMORPG. the Massively Multiplayer elements are missing. the game doesn't even work when you download it and try to launch it. I expect a game I download to launch. Killing mobs leveling up and interacting with stuff as you put it is but a tiny part of the RPG part of an MMORPG. it is by no means all that an MMO is as you asserted. in some MMO's it isn't even included. MMO simply means Massively Multiplayer Online. a game that involes mass Interaction but no RPG elements would be an MMO though those are rare these days as WOW popularized the idea that MMO's should be RPG's No one is saying this is litterally the worst MMO of all time. In fact he was quite complimentary compared to most of the MMO's in this series. what this game does well it does really well. I would even go so far as to say it is a good game (when it deigns to launch) with a unique mount system but that doesn't make it a good MMO nor even an MMO at most it is a passable Online RPG. and even then it is a pretty basic one. If you love the game that is fine. I am happy for you. but don't be surprised when you ask what we expect and then get a response that lists what I expected and didn't find.
Loving these videos! MMOs i recommend for this series: • PWI • fiesta • wizard101 • pirate101 • aura kingdom And i recommend these not cause theyre bad or anything of that sort but theyre classic games and some of which still have populations going till this day
Fiesta Online has a (relatively) thriving private server community too. It's fascinating to find MMORPGs like that where I personally don't like the game at all, yet others play the game for over a decade and still find enjoyment in it. Pirate101.. might as well add another pirate game to your list: Pirates of the Burning Seas. Now that I think about it.. every single pirate-themed MMORPG would probably be appropriate for this series, even if I do enjoy quite a few of them.
Honestly, this game is far, far away from being the worst MMO ever. Obviously it have some problems like optimization and traduction to spanish, but the fact that is based on mounts makes the game fun and different, at least for me.
If he picked the actual worst MMORPGs, he wouldnt have many views given how obscure the really, really bad MMORPGs are. He has to grow the channel more before he gets to the real trash. :) I've played a few early alpha small team MMORPGs where there is so little that works that it's debatable whether the software claiming to be an MMORPG is even a game.
You can't tame tagris anymore because back in around 2018 Nexon gifted everyone in the server 10 tagris taming marks, making the marks cheaper and easily exploitable. 1 group of people seem to tame tagris everyday.
Something I noticed playing the English/ international version of the game is that some quests seem to vary depending on the class you're playing. I started a wizard and a berserker and played both to lvl 5 and while you're sent to the same areas the quests on the areas are not always the same. For instance, on the battlefield as the wizard it asks me to use my fire spells to detonate the explosives some enemies carry (gotta stack 3 burning debuffs on them) but as the berserker it asks me to destroy the barricades. I dunno if this goes on through the whole game, but I thought that's an awesome design.
Ironically, this game somehow had some of the fanciest gear systems of any MMO I've played before. You could tame animals/monsters/bosses of all kinds, and each one would be in a category of stat from 'All Stats', ' Attack Damage', 'Health', 'Mana', 'Defence', usually in theme with their kind, like dragons would be 'AD', bosses would be mostly 'All Stats' (from how rare they are), bears and tanky animals would be 'Defence', mythical creatures with magical references would usually be 'Mana', and so on... You could then tame them, use them as mount, and from riding them or doing mounted combat with them, they would level up over time, and then at specific levels like 10 - 20 - 40... you could use an item called a 'Seal', that would turn each mount into a socket based on their level and nature, and some of the Epic to Legendary gear had 1-3 sockets available per gear slot, each socket could also be sold in the Auction House, and when the game first came out the AH was very active around this. On top of that you could salvage your useless gear for these Stones that worked as gear upgrades, you could get stones between lvl 5 up to like lvl 120+ depending on what gear you salvaged, and what this meant was for you to upgrade from +1 to +3 or +4 you could use the lower level stones that matched the item level of your gear, but as they got to like +5 and over up to +8 (I think) the % of upgrade would be highly dependent on the lvl 120+ (rarer) stones. This was fairly good for AH movement too, each useless off-piece you got from raiding with wrong stats would be insanely meaningful if anything to be salvaged for these stones. I played this for like 250hours way back, when it came out the lvl cap was 25, then 30, then 35 and so on, I quit when it was lvl 35 cap, and up until then I have to say, it was a very fun game, from a "pokemon" like mount hunting standpoint, some of the boss like mount captures had you do questlines and travel to specific parts of the map where a specific resource spawns only there, and you had to collect those and craft items that would be consumed after you lowered the boss health and tried to capture it. Funnily enough the only 2 major complaints I had about this game was how it always ran like shit, trash optimization, and 2nd one being the universal mounted up skill set, which was so strong it didn't really matter what class you chose you'd always favor mounted combat over regular class combat (aside from non-mountable locations which were rare), , because of the heavy AoE ans solo target dps it offered in general was so much stronger than anything else from your class. Some minor complaints would be, it's a Nexon game, and granted I played it without spending a dime and could compete with everyone that used the cash store, it's usually at the expense of hundreds of hours of work vs. a few hours of spending IRL money, both that and having to deal with some limited bag/bank space, which it's manageable although sometimes annoying. ------ Tl;dr: Game that had some good though and process behind it's gimmick gear mechanics, but as usual went to waste due to Nexon being behind it, as well as bad optimization (sadly).
You didnt miss much - the story is about as standard as they come. My copy of Riders of Icarus updated and also wouldnt connect when I tried a few days ago.
I have literally never played this game before, but when you started to ride the kangaroo I felt such a sense of deja vu. I can only assume they have used assets from elsewhere for that area because I remember it very vividly, possibly from Tera as I have played that game.
I played Riders Of Icarus when it first launched for the west under Nexon, and I'm in shock that the new publisher actually managed to make it worse. Before it had overpriced loot boxes, gold spammers flooding the chat, and random lag spikes, but it was at least playable.
I really want to see a cutscene where the person is like "I know there is a 300 foot tall tree over there burning but I really think first we should put up our tent..."
I remember playing this game after getting a pack on Humble Bundle, I recall playing with my friends and messing with the game to get my friends flying tames early. It was pretty fun but the game got bought by a company and old accounts got removed, there was a migration period but I unfortunately didn’t see it at the time and lost my account and its pay for items.
"I need some more question marks" I have no clue why that tickled my funny-bone so much, but it did, and I love you. Also I sang the entire "amazing horse" song. I will take my old card and put it next to me membership to albino blacksheep.
@@therealharshlycritical Honestly, from the video it seems like the only problems with this game are that it didn't work in the English version and it hewed very close to convention in the gameplay. It's legitimate to ask whether being conventional is really all that bad. After all, many games, films, books, etc. manage to be fantastic and also very conventional. By the same token you can create shit if you do things just for the sake of defying convention without attention to storytelling. All quests in MMORPGs are talk/go/fetch/kill quests, but what makes them good or bad is the writing- which we can't access because it's in Russian and JSH doesn't have a Cyrillic font.
So a quick comment about the taming and mount system. You mentioned wishing it could do more. However (not to your own fault) you missed quite a bit. A few times you pulled up a menu that shows all tameable mobs in your area. Also different mounts have different ability’s when turned into pets. The unicorn is a attacker, however that kangaroo you found is actually a healer type pet. You can even tame that spider, and the large red maned wolf you killed around the vid’s halfway point. They all have special skills and some are rarer/harder then others. With the spider (or that wolf) being the highest “tier” in the starting area. On top of that some mounts have rare/alternate spawns that have different looks or better stats that you can get. Now I didn’t get to this part but at a certain point you can even seal your “mounts” souls into gems before imbeuing your weapons and armor with them. (Remember when your character used the gem on the sword and failed?) well it’s a much higher level of that you did… and of course as you saw it can fail causing you to lose said gem, AND a cash shop selling gem boosters and the like… ya know… granted! They are a little generous with the premium currency. During a few of the achievements you got if you noticed the small blue stone in the right side of the banner? That’s the premiums currency. Besides that well… yeah it’s pretty accurate even for being in an unknown language. (???)
Want to look into Allods Online? Love this game despite it being a nightmare for new players. Either they join a P2W f2p server or a sadly dead p2p server.
Would you recommend some beastmaster/riding MMO that you find good? I love things where you can tame fantasy creatures and use them in various situations, but those games do tend to have their issues.
Riders of Icarus It's like the only game that let's you tame and mount almost EVERYTHING. One of the early game bosses(Vulcan) is tamable, you get him at level 30 or something around that, pretty sure most of the bosses are tamable. The only thing that makes Icarus bad is how much the new owners screwed it up... Buggy as hell and way more p2w than it was.
If you're still wondering, beside ROI, Theres Dragon's Prophet (Legacy), a similar taming mechanic MMO with a way more interactive Minigame but like the title says, they're DRAGONS, which isn't a Bad Thing of course. Give it a try, atleast in DP you Don't need Marks or RNG to tame dragons, If you're high enough Level you can get almost any Dragon.
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I genuinely loved this game at launch and some time later too, but sadly it become more and more p2w. And then the VALOFE nation attacked and everything changed for the worse.
I can't believe you didn't mention this, but... Nexon was the original publisher of RoI. I played it pretty much since it launched, and you know, it was repetitive, but it was also pretty damn fun too. I loved it. I sunk hundreds of hours, and even real money into it. Not much, but enough to satisfy myself. I had an assortment of rare mounts and pets... and I was loving the events... but I took a break for a while when bigger games came out. I returned to it one day to find that I couldn't launch the game from their launcher. The game was showing that I owned it, but I couldn't play it. When I researched the problem I found that they sold RoI to some Asian company and *deleted my entire account.* Hours of time gone. Money gone. Everything gone. Apparently there was some kind of "migration" to the new servers, but I was never notified of it. Every time I think of this game now, I think of how much I miss it, and how I don't have the heart to start over.
I am here MONTHS late, but I vividly remember really good memories from this game from around 2017-18 I think. Spent a lot of nights up with it. This makes me sad that it broke this bad, but I also remember accidentally releasing a rare mount and ragequiting so badly that I never went back. User error, yes, but it was effective.
This reminds me of the time I played Blade&Soul on a Russian private server about 2 years before ncsoft finally decided to do an official EU release. The game was rudimentary translated into faulty English, with some parts being in Russian and other parts + voice-over still in Korean. 😂 But I did well.
I remember playing this back then when it went open Beta on steam and while it was fun, with its mount and taming mechanics, it was also unnecessarily confusing and sloooooooow... also yes, as a TERA player at the time the similarities were impossible not to notice
"I'm just going to play this game as if it was Tera..." You're wearing too much clothing for it to be Tera. Also, here in the states, during September (and likely soon), you'd need that mace to first procure some Toilet paper. You're not likely to get any without one.
"Full uninstall. Full reinstall. And guess what?" Ad: "IF YOU'VE GOT A PACK OF HOTDOGS IN THE KICTHEN, TOSS THEM IN THE TRASH" I love it when ads do this
I played RoI back when it first came out. I even spent £75 on their Legendary Riders Pack before it entered Open Beta. Unfortunately I had to drop the game for several years after 2017 due to real life circumstances. Seeing this video actually made me want to go back and pick it up, now that a lot of stuff has finally settled down. Only to discover Nexon didn't keep up the contract, that the publisher changed hands, and that Nexon DIDN'T EVEN BOTHER TO EMAIL ME ABOUT MIGRATING MY ACCOUNT. Apparently my entire RoI (and the admittedly hundreds of dollars I spent on it) are literally fucking deleted, lost forever, because neither Nexon nor new publisher Valofe ever sent me an email. Nothing. Not a single email saying "By the way if you don't migrate accounts, your Icarus data is being deleted and fuck you, thanks for the money." I'm beyond angry. I genuinely enjoyed Icarus too, is the worst part, it wasn't the worst obviously Korean game I'd ever played (and I liked it more than TERA, to be honest.) I think I need to give up on games that feature mount and mount based combat. First it was Dragon's Prophet and now it's RIders of Icarus. How do these people keep fucking up these games and stealing my money like this.
This is why only few MMOs are still alive because they have their own identity or they are the ones who set the standard for that certain mechanic. For example, wow has its dungeon and raids or Black desert has its combat system. I think if they did more of perfecting a certain mechanic rather than cramping all it in just to have quantity, MMOs will be a much more alive genre in gaming market. It's more of finding a demographic than trying to please everyone because it usually ends to pleasing no one.
Who needs innovation when you can just slap an M on the title and port it to mobile? That's where the bulk of money is in the market - the Asian mobile market.
This reminds me of being a kid, before I learned to speak English, and just intuitively working out what each button in a game did. For every game I played. I was fluent by the time I started Elementary School.
Easily one of your best videos! This just goes to show your ability to be able to take a bad situation (game not working and the version that is working is in another language) and turning it in to a fun video. Very happy I subscribed
It's interesting to note that familiarity with a genre and adherence to convention allows a game to be so intuitive as to bridge a language barrier. Good shit.
hey i really hope you come back to this one! as someone who's played riders of icarus the main thing that made me like the game was actually a part a bit later where you gain the ability to tame and ride monsters, i remember going into an area i shouldnt have been in and taming a fire bird mount so i could fly earlier in the game than was intended and it was surprisingly fun, the rest of the game is just pretty basic mmo stuff though. only downside is to get to the mount part you'd probably have to read dialogue! so uuh high hopes for a video on it coming out in 2030
I'll probably regret this, but this makes me want to redownload the game and play it again. Maybe because I am very bored with my other games at the moment. I do remember playing this and enjoying it at least somewhat, but that was also over 4 years ago. And I have nothing better to do. This series is absolutely amazing.
Same. Though I distinctly remember that I stopped playing bc the max number of steeds you could have tamed at the same time was pretty low. That was the main point of the game and of course, they locked it behind a pay wall.
As someone who speaks Russian fluently, I can confirm that the question marks are really hard to understand.
whaat i thought russian was full of boxes,question marks and exclamation marks
@@johnynoway9127 But only questions makrs make no sense. Only in combination with boxes and exclamation marks.
????? ??????? ??? ??????
@@Holyduck777 No, I have not been to Uganda
@@Holyduck777 it's not ??? It's ?????
The Russian written language is beautiful. I especially love the "?" Character but "??" Is also a winner
It's spelt "??" Not "??". You need to brush up on your Russian, buddy.
@@Cenentury0941 as a russian, i can confirm that the proper spelling is a combination of those two creating "??".
You're clearly mad. "??" is far superior to "?"
??? ?? ?? ? ?? ?? ?????? ?? ?? ? ????? ???? !!!!!
@@ivansedelkin9842 ??
I am a teacher and college lecturer, this video is a masterclass in learning methodology based on previous experience.
29:30 "Their only real risk was the taming and mounting system and I wish they had done more with that" - He says as he kills a boss spider that, once weakened, you can literally tame/mount. Like, it's actually kind of astonishing how many mobs in this game you CAN turn into a mount. I remember playing this game pretty extensively and collecting so many of them.
He probably didn't know it cause he doesn't understand any of the question marks
@@BooksandBuns Especially after taming the boss's boar i wouldve definitely tried it with EVERYONE
@@GamePandaXXL I wouldn't have, & I'm sure many people wouldn't have realised it. I didn't know you could ride the bears & deer in Breath of the Wild until like three years into owning the game
@@BooksandBuns i mean im someone that grew up with Pokemon and im an achievement hunter to the max.. so having a tame mechanic means im gonna try and tame everything i see. but after the boss boar im really irritated he didnt even try it again
Wait... wait... this is called Riders of Icarus.
Riders.
RIDERS.
The focus of the game is collecting mounts. The rest of the game is so generic because it's about letting players have any mount or pet, that other games have you pay for.
I love it.
I now want to see an anime where the main character doesn't understand the language that everyone else is speaking, yet he still always manages to do the right thing
isnt that the plot of re:zero? or so i heard anyways
@@biggestboss1756 No.
There actually IS a Manga similar to this. Classic Isekai stuff but the goddess who summoned the MC thought he was too ugly so she never blessed him with basic language skills for the New world. All he understands at first is Monsters. Everything from there is more or less basic OP Main Character Stuff but it is interesting i'd say.
@@shinrailp1416 what is the name
@@aonairskies It's called:
Tsuki Ga Michibiku Isekai Douchuu.
This gives me a legit idea for game design: if you want to see how intuitive your design is, set the language to one your playtesters don't speak.
that assumes your playerbase has not played mmo.
@@Kpop_stole_foids_fromcurrycell And as we could see, having the game design be the same as everyone else means previous experience has more influence than intuitive design.
This is actually a UI design staple. "If you have to explain your UI, it isn't good enough"
@@aeonamadi which means there is proof that flat UI is inferior to a 3d-style interface with shadows. cause when the user has to click on each element to figure out which is interactive and which is just descriptive...
would love to try this on raid/group content where players cant communicate. See how intuitive the combat mechanic queues are.
28:15 game programmer here, seems like you found the perfect spot to see shadow draw distance not just as a circle on the ground, but as a rectangular segment of a sphere area that it actually is.
Very nice explanation. Have a like.
Even someone who's not a game programmer could work that out.
@@aarons6935 I couldn’t
@@aarons6935 lol no?
@@aarons6935 don’t be a dick. That wasn’t even remotely obvious.
"It's an MMO law that we need to kill some boars" is reminding me of the joke in LOTRO where you're given a timed quest to kill some boars in the *only* region of the game where there are *no* boars. When the timer runs out-and there's nothing to stop you doing other, more useful things in the meantime-you return to the quest-giver who is incredulous that you couldn't find any and moans about wanting some delicious boar-steak. Later in the game someone else asks you to kill some boars in preparation for a banquet and then asks why you are laughing…
It's an mmo law that every MMO needs a spider related monster.
Same as any anime there has to be a monkey with staff. (Even as unknown, unrelated forgotable character it has to be shown once)
@@ItsJustKaya true anime law is having at least one beach episode and one hot springs episode
Hanuman/Monkey King feels like the Eastern version of the Merlin/Dumbledore trope - in every Western MMO there must be a wizened old man with a robes and white beard that does magic.
i cant remember my 2 favorite animes having beach episode or hot spring episode. A-channel and clannad. clannad has been sitting for a while as my favorite anime of all time, no doubt.
There are a couple generic early game enemies, both on MMOs and singleplayer RPGs.
Typically wolves, slimes, rats, boars, etc. Stuff that is relatively normal and harmless.
And in some cases they even deconstruct the whole thing. Like the first fighters guild quest in Oblivion. Some lady has problems with the rats in her basement. They are her pets and are getting killed by mountain lions. So you have to head out and get rid of the mountain lions, not the rats.
And a good twist would be to have that kind of "wolves are dangerous, go kill 20 wolves" and when you've looked everywhere and return to tell the questgiver there aren't any wolves anywhere on the map, the NPC will thank you for killing ALL the wolves.
It's incredible how MMO common knowledge can be such a universal language that you can progress without even knowing how to read the ingame text
Someone should really make a generic MMO with nothing but symbols and see how popular it gets worldwide.
@@TheModernGafa this would be an interesting experiment. I would play just for the experience.
To be fair all the glowing objects and the pictures help a lot, you can't do the same with other mmorpg or at least not with every quest, they made a really good job making it really intuitive.
@@TheModernGafa If anyone can pull it off I'd say the creators of Journey and Sky could do it. Half their game is symbols and telling stories through showing rather than telling.
I mean it's not like people read stuff even when it doesn't say ???? ?????? ?????
Theres a third option on the whole "we crashed and now theres a campsite thing" that i think quite a lot of game devs use, "you were knocked out for longer than the game portrays and they built the camp while you were out" which is slightly better than the other options but is still a pet peeve of mine.
That's my favourite because it implies that you were unconscious for at least 40 minutes or so and they just left you lying in the dirt in full armour on your back or face, and then when you woke up after such a long period of unconsciousness the response is always essentially "oh good you're up, go get me some wood."
@@derinedala5032 I don't think these people realise how bad that would be.
if you lose conciseness for more than a few minutes the risk of permanent brain damage is extremely high.
@@ieuanhunt552 don't most main characters in video games act like they have brain damage?
@@AdaTheWatcher only when controlled by players :)
What I would do: as they are crashing, someone pushes the "emergency landing site" button, which readies some tents and a pre-lit campfire.
I have never seen someone have so much fun playing a game in an entirely foreign language before.
You've never played shadow of the tomb raider in french then, Laura's accent is exquisite 🤣
blade and soul lol i played 3 servers includeing the alpha before the game was even translated for western servers
The language of question marks, also a number of botw players say playing it in a different language makes it better cause you can't understand how bad the voice acting is
I'm from Russia, and when I was a kid, half of my Dendy (Russian/Chinese NES clone) were either in Chinese, or Japanese, I still have no idea which. And let me tell you, we had fun with them!
It's a fun pastime personally.
In all honesty, that mount and pet taming system seems like a 10/10 mechanic. I would love to see that in a more polished game.
it's actually quite nice. Been playing the game for a few hours and you can tame almost everything. You even get achivements for taming specific monsters in a certain area, like titles. But you can't tame everything just like that, since some monsters have conditions for it. Like have this item (that you'd only get through a quest from this npc) or have gathered this specific thing that the monster likes or have killed this type before to gain dominance or have inflicted this amount of dmg beforehand. Also you can attack from and with your mount, which comes in handy during later stages where airial battle is introduced
@@May-Hope Agreed, I haven't played it for quite a while now, but I used to spend a lot of time on the game. When asked what sets the game apart, from others, the mounts are definitely one of the things that I'd offer as an answer. Personally, I wish we could do maybe a bit more with the mounts, as you can't do a lot when first starting off, and even then it takes a while to learn the necessary skills to attack with your mount. You'll end up getting mostly flying mounts anyway, since they can reach places quicker and are much more helpful. I've wished for such a game for ages, so I absolutely loved it, but I will say, it can get boring after a while. Despite the mounts, it's a generic MMO which requires you to spend way too much time on certain stuff. Overall, I did like it quite a lot, but I'm also not exactly surprised when people get bored of it.
Icarus is the only MMO that has that mechanic for free. It's sad the game is dead and broken because of the new owners. Well, it was dead way before it got sold...
@@May-Hope WHICH SERVER ISNT DEAD
@@May-Hope very nice
They authorize all logins manually via the aid of carrying pidgeons. That's why it takes forever.
@FiestaFrankah you see that thing flying in the distance? It was the joke that webt right over your head
@FiestaFrankah I will explain the joke. The guy said that like world war one this game uses carrier pigeons to send messages. A carrier pigeon is a bird with a note tied to its legs and flys to a location it is trained to remember. As you can imagine this is not very fast for autherizing new players into the server.
@@kylemenos you know about web apis but not carrying pigeons. Interesting
@@Treeko55 At least one person believes in them.
Josh: "This game takes no rists and is too predictable"
Game: _hides nothing behind a waterfall_
Josh: "very disappointing"
I mean, the game wasnt even consistent on being generic, i too would be dissapointed.
"...too predictable..."
"...too..."
Not everything predictable is unwelcome.
@@AdonanS A hidden treasure chest behind a waterfall may be generic, but it's also welcomingly expected.
Everytime I find a waterfall in a game, I always go "I SUMMON YOU TO FULFILL YOUR OATH" and expect my goddamn chest to behind it.
Oh, sorry, I mean, ????????? ? ???? ? ????????? ?? ? ????, ? ?????? ?? "? ?????? ??? ?? ??????? ???? ????" ??? ?????? ?? ??????? ????? ?? ?????? ??.
Guys you're all wrong. All RPG have a treasure hidden behind a waterfall.
Except, it's usually one or two waterfall in the entire world -- or it would get stale quickly.
So, no treasure behind that waterfall doesn't mean there is none. Even the marvel that are Skyrim and Elden Ring let most of their waterfalls untreasured.
Here in Brazil we had a server localy. The company behind the game here (Gameflip), made the game more difficult increasing the damage we took, the mobs health and the experience that we obtained from quest's was decrease. They also made the game FULL F2P, without any P2W. So, the game was a huge sucess here, but then VALOFE got the license to publish the game and ruined everything.
Yeah, it was sad when that happened, i used to enjoy this game
Interesting, im brazillian and i don't think i have ever heard of this mmo before. The biggest mmo hits that i know of in this country are Ragnarok and Tibia.
@@a.g.r.v.3144 WoW was pretty big too back when I still played, dunno how popular it is now.
os Br domina hehehe
"Kill wolves"
- That was a fox.
"Fly this gryphon"
- That's a phoenix.
firing catapults
-thats a ballista
*sees a butterfly*
"Is that a pigeon?"
*sees a bird*
"HOW ARE THERE PLANES IN THIS GAME?!!"
*sees Superman*
Woah, didn’t know they had Batman in this game
@@orangeismyfavoritecolor good to know there arent actually birds or planes in this game though
As a Russian, I'm chuckling like a madman right now :D
Btw, the lady was constantly saying "You have no target selected"
P.S. It just occured to me... that's exactly how Russians who dunno English at all must see every single eu/us mmorpg without the localization - like a total mish-mashed clusterfuck of unknown symbols... ha. Funny actually xD
same when i played dragon ball mmo in corean (im brazillian)
So that’s why my cousin keeps smashing his PC and cussing in Albanian (PS: am Serbian and have no idea what he is saying)
amehicana
eurasia
@Anson Brandon Only took 15 minutes, right? You forgot that, you misaligned carbon atom spill.
@Cornelius Vera fucken bots
This should be an anime where the MC is seen as mysterious and never talks but it's because he has no idea what anyone is speaking and is just trying to get home.
So basically Tidus in FFX until he learns the local language at obscene speed
Would actually be interesting seeing a game fully embracing that concept
@@canislupid2466 If you're referring to the Al Bhed language, I think he canonically doesn't actually learn it (but I'm not exactly sure about that) but even then it's mainly for two sidequest things
I forgot the name but there is a manhwa where the isekai'ed guy asks to be returned but gets cursed by the goddess and thrown into a forest, the curse makes him not understand humans but understand other monsters races like orcs and stuff
@@mfwiloseintouhoubossfights9305 that sounds interesting tbh
edit: i looked it up and i think it's "is this hero for real?"
@@worm1533 this is closer novel/manga/ and soon or already anime "Moon-led Journey Across Another World".
7:52
“Likely to be represented by a question mark”
His UI: ????????? ??? ??????? ? ??????????????
I do like the idea of a main character hero who has no clue what hes doing, where he is or why hes doing it, but accidentally manages to save the world
Jojolion in a nutshell, I didn’t read the manga, please don’t @ me
@@gianfrancoortizvera6161 ???? ???? ???? you ???? ???????? ??????
there are quite a few novels with that exact story actually.
Myst did it in 1995.
"A wooden ballista bolt hits the wooden deck of a wooden ship, and so of course, they explode into flames!"
yeah, that bit of this cutscene confuzzled me
Aren’t they on a flying Manta Ray? How the hell does a animal explode?
@@jordanpowell2242 Flammable gas in the animal?
@@HowlingDoom and what ignited said flammable gas?
@@mikkelolesen6292 Micheal Bay
black powder in the head
Josh : "Look at my horse, my horse is amazing"
Me : "Give it a lick"
Josh : "Ha huh, All the old people in the audience just sang the next line .."
Me : "Damn ..."
but it dose taste just like raisins.
why wouldn't you like it .P
shut up woman get on my horses
"Have a stroke of its mane
It turns into a plane "
@@ZeWitchKid And then it turns back again...
@@coppermeowmix when you tug on its...
Putting back the feeling of mystery and discovery in MMOs
One year later, but I just realized something:
This is the PERFECT way to test a MMO and see if the ingame systems are still operational and approachable.
that’s genius, a way to ensure your gameplay is maximally intuitive for new players
No it's not
@@DautFromX Why?
@@bruceluiz Having to guess which options to select and buttons to press is not a very good way to test anything but your patience.
@@DautFromXWell, thats the point: NOT having to guess. For example: he correctly guessed the layout of the first quest post tutorial. Without reading, just by using the visual cues he had available.
"??????????"
"i'm glad i read these, i feel much more prepared."
LOL!
My takeaway is that getting mounts by taming them is an amazing mechanic. It's functionally similar to a hunter taming pets, but for mounts. More games should have this.
19:06 "I kick a wolf to death. That sounds like a very Russian thing to do." - I lost it there. So damn funny. And yes very true. Generic gameplay? Absolutely, but so good to listen to the commentary.
Also the Sound the wolf makes is the same audio from Metin2 when a wolf dies ^^
I laughed because it reminded me of the story of the old Russian guy that beat a wolf to death with his barehands. January 6, 2021 was a weird day.
If you could ride a grizzly bear bare-chested that would be a Russian thing to do. But kicking a wolf?
I like how this is one of the better MMOs that Josh reviewed in this series even without knowing the ingame text 😂
This is amazing. I would watch a whole series that's just you trying to guess your way through games in the wrong localization.
Ironically, this game USED to be playable, had an english translation, simple enough to understand, then everything just got kinda... screwed
Girogio Tsoukalos: "I didn't hear your question, but the answer is ancient aliens."
Other bad MMOs: You can do anything!
This bad MMO: You can RIDE anything!
Not really a bad MMO though, at least if you speak Russian.
@@Salsmachev yah, just very average.
Edit: though I think it actually looks really nice, it might just be personal taste but I Think the lighting is gorgeous.
You can ride anything? *Looks at the child classes*
@@AspenBrightsoul I'm calling the police
@@AspenBrightsoul why tf did that pop into your head first
It's actually a really interesting exercise in game design that Josh was able to complete quests through mimesis. Absolutely fascinating.
The saddest thing is that the game had less bugs on launch then it does now
Damn, lol.
The game in general was less stupid on launch honestly
When he said "I'm old too", I laughed and subsequently died a little inside knowing that I once listened to a 12 hour version of Amazing Horse non-stop.
Anyway, every game should be intuitive enough to play without language understanding to some degree!
"How would Tera do this?" OK, I lol'ed. Also, I almost want to play this game, this video and the one covering Tera in 2021 gave me a lot of nostalgia.
TERA is a Good MMO wrapped in so much bad execution its honestly impressive.
Like, give me a WoW-killer scale MMO with TERA gameplay and actually follow the design principles set out by that combat system. implement primarily real armor but add a few fanservice options. Let people do full color armor dye. Do a simplified equipment system of like, 8 slots. and make the slots work like WoW Trinkets.
@@F14thunderhawk FFXIV
@@northwestclasspnw7974 FFXIV plays nothing like Tera though
@@F14thunderhawk Guild wars 2
This is so much funnier if you think of the main character as an insane foreigner who doesn't speak the land's native language and is just doing all these things and quests because they look fun.
"Oh a unicorn! Let's ride it!"
"Oh a giant rhino man, let's kill him!"
"I don't know what you just said, man in armor, but I'm gonna go blow up those ballistae, thanks for the bombs!"
I did continue with “give it a lick, it tastes just like raisins”.... I am old....... Good stuff, my guy. Well played.
@Daniel Bellcaster Then I better not show you where the lemonade is made.
Sweet lemonade
Great reference I forgot about it!!
same....am old...still a fucking great video.
i didnt think i was old.... now i do.
I have no idea what you people are talking about
Учитывая, что вы не говорите по-русски и вам пришлось проходить эту игру с такой большой форой, вы действительно неплохо поработали! Благодарю вас Josh Strife Hayes :)
Mashallah brother.
@@karenwang313holy fuck that just broke me
Absolutely love how you rolled with not being able to read Russian at all! 10/10 best review series lol
"Can we please get TERA?"
"No, we already have TERA at home."
TERA at home:
intuitive design and generic standardization are a self-reinforcing two halves of the same circle.
That was great. I think your extensive MMO and tutorial background definitely helped. As a non MMO player there was an equal amount of stuff I could have figured out versus stuff that was just too opaque. Which I take it to mean that there was some intuitive design and some MMO convention mixed together.
I like this channel because it gives me nostalgia for when I was younger and downloading random mmos because I was bored.
"me and my tiny unicorn make our way trough the trees and the fairies" i´m totally into this
24:52 Oh, I know what kind of mushrooms those are. And they even grow in a psychedelically colored forest.
I see what you did there, devs!
Honestly it's kinda cool that you did as well as you did without being able to read it. It looks like a lot of it was tropes like how to use the menus but some aspects seem like they were intuitive like color usage.
I did in fact sing the next line, and felt called out.
Out of curiosity what is this referring to?
@@Katrik3571 "Look at my horse, my horse is amazing" is part of a song lyric, when Josh sang it, I went on
I’m gen z and I sang the next line lmao
I did not, because I refuse to be baited.
Also still mad about the badgers
@@do3807 "Give it a lick"
My friend introduced me to this game when it first launched and let me tell you it was great, there were less bugs and it wasnt p2w as it is now, we spent so many hours on this game, then after a while we lost interest and stopped playing, a few years later we decide to play again and we return to this steaming pile. To say we were disappointed was an understatement.
I often forget which MMORPG is which out of numerous titles with the format of of -- Echo of Soul, Crusaders of Light, Champions of Titan, Riders of Icarus, Return of Warrior, Tree of Savior, Runes of Magic, etc. If it wasn't for Meg loving dragons and me keeping a list of dragon-centric MMORPGs for that purpose -- I'd likely not remember anything about this one either.
Mediocre MMORPGs are the worst, given there's usually nothing so terrible about the games to be unintentionally amusing nor anything that's legitimately fun. I've enjoyed my time with Rebirth Online and Bloodlines of Prima more than the mediocre titles of this series, given the horrific games are full of baffling design choices, broken systems, and unintentionally comical writing.
if mag loves dragons, play "dragons prophet." it isnt as good story / dungeon / itemgrind wise, but its super in dragon taming and crossbreeding :D . also the housing and armor customization has a good implementation. the daily login rewards are shit though (kinda what made me quit and come back to ROI- together with the fighting system etc)
@@kliersheed We already do.:) There's a private server for dragon's prophet given the live servers are shut down. Her favorite is actually Istaria because you can actually play as as a dragon. Dragons have their own skill trees, crafting systems, etc. I wouldn't recommend Istaria to most people, but if you want something unique and are willing to look past painfully dated mechanics (and a UI that was never good), it's fun.
We typically make our own story and don't care about dungeons or gear grinding, which is probably why we have a preference for DP over RoI. One of these days I'll give RoI a more thorough playthrough, though.
Teapot of Agony
oh dear. world of warcraft and old of republic also fit there dont they, dun dun dunnnnn
@@alexreilly6121Add Fantasy 14 of Final and Fall of Crow to that list.
''Give it a lick, it just tastes like raisins.'' Made my day! Keep up the great videos, Josh.
i used to play this game a year or 2 so ago, my main reason was just the taming system, though that got repetitive quickly, as half the mounts were missing atleast some animations, the game was boring as hell since all the quests were "kill this many of this" or "interract with this sparkly thing" and they never even tried any other quest type, they kept reusing models for mounts and just recoloring them eventhough this game is supposed to have many "unique" mounts, and the sheer lazyness of the design gets clearer and clearer the longer you go on for, and ontop of lazy design its also full of bugs, and most of the bugs they "patch" by removing the feature that caused it, like being able to ride one mount with several people (this was only for 3 or so mounts), but they removed it because player positions got bugged.
i really dont recommend this game to anyone at all.
Any idea what he was supposed to do for that one quest that he couldn't figure out then? Wondering if since he just got the chain attack, he was supposed to chain them once they started to run away, but i'm also assuming he tried that out first.
This is my fav mmo, i don't know what do you expect?? Killing mobs and interacting is literally every mmo. they reused same animation because its the same type of mount but different tier. this is basically complaining for complain sake.
@@OxOx_XoXo1 you either haven't played many MMO's or Haven't played many good ones. an MMO with Killing mobs and interacting is like a plain piece of bread. congrats on having food but you probably want more than just this.
the mount system was like discovering Strawberry Jam for the first time. Really cool but even still your gonna want variety before long.
most MMO's even bad ones have quite a few different kinds of quests and mechanics. to be fair to this game it is entirely possible there were some he could not figure out on account of not being able to launch the version in a language he could understand.
but from what we saw this was a basic if good looking MMO. not bad but not good either. certainly doesn't deserve the title of worst (which is what he thought about a couple of other games in this series.)
just off the top of my head for things this game is missing to be even a basic MMO where are the Raids?, Dungeons?, Group content in general? PVP arena? overworld events? Optional Bosses? Traversal Challenges? Faction Events?
basically all of the Massively Multiplayer Elements of the Massively Multiplayer Online Genre are missing from this game.
I mean he was even fairly complimentary for this series and he could have torn into what the game seems to lack quite a bit more. however he probably didn't because he can't be sure the game didn't try to tell him about such features in the ?????????????????
@@scorpioneldar
Holy shi-
People have their own preferences, riders of icarus mount system is unique and i love it and ofc it has its flaws but its not the worst game.
@@OxOx_XoXo1 yes people do have their own preferences. but you asked what we EXPECT and I replied. I EXPECT that a MMO will have basic MMO content.
this game doesn't.
which tends to be a running theme in the "Worst MMO" Series.
he isn't hating on the game for no reason nor is he complaining for complaining's sake. there is plenty of reason not to like this game False Advertising near the top of the list.
this game plays like an Online RPG not an MMORPG. the Massively Multiplayer elements are missing.
the game doesn't even work when you download it and try to launch it. I expect a game I download to launch.
Killing mobs leveling up and interacting with stuff as you put it is but a tiny part of the RPG part of an MMORPG.
it is by no means all that an MMO is as you asserted. in some MMO's it isn't even included. MMO simply means Massively Multiplayer Online. a game that involes mass Interaction but no RPG elements would be an MMO though those are rare these days as WOW popularized the idea that MMO's should be RPG's
No one is saying this is litterally the worst MMO of all time. In fact he was quite complimentary compared to most of the MMO's in this series. what this game does well it does really well. I would even go so far as to say it is a good game (when it deigns to launch) with a unique mount system but that doesn't make it a good MMO nor even an MMO at most it is a passable Online RPG. and even then it is a pretty basic one.
If you love the game that is fine. I am happy for you. but don't be surprised when you ask what we expect and then get a response that lists what I expected and didn't find.
I think that was the closest experience for "what a foreigner adventurer going into misterious lands and people" would be like in ever
Loving these videos!
MMOs i recommend for this series:
• PWI
• fiesta
• wizard101
• pirate101
• aura kingdom
And i recommend these not cause theyre bad or anything of that sort but theyre classic games and some of which still have populations going till this day
Thanks zen, ill add these to the list :)
Fiesta Online has a (relatively) thriving private server community too. It's fascinating to find MMORPGs like that where I personally don't like the game at all, yet others play the game for over a decade and still find enjoyment in it.
Pirate101.. might as well add another pirate game to your list: Pirates of the Burning Seas. Now that I think about it.. every single pirate-themed MMORPG would probably be appropriate for this series, even if I do enjoy quite a few of them.
"I wonder if I can gently pet this unicorn"
"No."
But you need the lemonade.
Honestly, this game is far, far away from being the worst MMO ever. Obviously it have some problems like optimization and traduction to spanish, but the fact that is based on mounts makes the game fun and different, at least for me.
Yeah the mount system I really liked.
If he picked the actual worst MMORPGs, he wouldnt have many views given how obscure the really, really bad MMORPGs are. He has to grow the channel more before he gets to the real trash. :)
I've played a few early alpha small team MMORPGs where there is so little that works that it's debatable whether the software claiming to be an MMORPG is even a game.
@@AunCollective maybe, but I consider that this game shouldn't be in the same category as awful games like Mortal Online, for example.
@@ROCKNROLL947 it shoudnt, but it will get views
@@JoshStrifeHayes Haha, no problem, I understand. But I get a trauma after seeing the Mortal Online gameplay...
Forgettable really is the right way to describe it. Took me at least 10 minutes to realise I did in fact play this once
You can't tame tagris anymore because back in around 2018 Nexon gifted everyone in the server 10 tagris taming marks, making the marks cheaper and easily exploitable. 1 group of people seem to tame tagris everyday.
U still can tame it all u need is mark (u can get it still but i forgot where)
Something I noticed playing the English/ international version of the game is that some quests seem to vary depending on the class you're playing. I started a wizard and a berserker and played both to lvl 5 and while you're sent to the same areas the quests on the areas are not always the same.
For instance, on the battlefield as the wizard it asks me to use my fire spells to detonate the explosives some enemies carry (gotta stack 3 burning debuffs on them) but as the berserker it asks me to destroy the barricades.
I dunno if this goes on through the whole game, but I thought that's an awesome design.
Damn this game was so good back then...
Ironically, this game somehow had some of the fanciest gear systems of any MMO I've played before.
You could tame animals/monsters/bosses of all kinds, and each one would be in a category of stat from 'All Stats', ' Attack Damage', 'Health', 'Mana', 'Defence', usually in theme with their kind, like dragons would be 'AD', bosses would be mostly 'All Stats' (from how rare they are), bears and tanky animals would be 'Defence', mythical creatures with magical references would usually be 'Mana', and so on...
You could then tame them, use them as mount, and from riding them or doing mounted combat with them, they would level up over time, and then at specific levels like 10 - 20 - 40... you could use an item called a 'Seal', that would turn each mount into a socket based on their level and nature, and some of the Epic to Legendary gear had 1-3 sockets available per gear slot, each socket could also be sold in the Auction House, and when the game first came out the AH was very active around this.
On top of that you could salvage your useless gear for these Stones that worked as gear upgrades, you could get stones between lvl 5 up to like lvl 120+ depending on what gear you salvaged, and what this meant was for you to upgrade from +1 to +3 or +4 you could use the lower level stones that matched the item level of your gear, but as they got to like +5 and over up to +8 (I think) the % of upgrade would be highly dependent on the lvl 120+ (rarer) stones. This was fairly good for AH movement too, each useless off-piece you got from raiding with wrong stats would be insanely meaningful if anything to be salvaged for these stones.
I played this for like 250hours way back, when it came out the lvl cap was 25, then 30, then 35 and so on, I quit when it was lvl 35 cap, and up until then I have to say, it was a very fun game, from a "pokemon" like mount hunting standpoint, some of the boss like mount captures had you do questlines and travel to specific parts of the map where a specific resource spawns only there, and you had to collect those and craft items that would be consumed after you lowered the boss health and tried to capture it.
Funnily enough the only 2 major complaints I had about this game was how it always ran like shit, trash optimization, and 2nd one being the universal mounted up skill set, which was so strong it didn't really matter what class you chose you'd always favor mounted combat over regular class combat (aside from non-mountable locations which were rare), , because of the heavy AoE ans solo target dps it offered in general was so much stronger than anything else from your class.
Some minor complaints would be, it's a Nexon game, and granted I played it without spending a dime and could compete with everyone that used the cash store, it's usually at the expense of hundreds of hours of work vs. a few hours of spending IRL money, both that and having to deal with some limited bag/bank space, which it's manageable although sometimes annoying.
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Tl;dr: Game that had some good though and process behind it's gimmick gear mechanics, but as usual went to waste due to Nexon being behind it, as well as bad optimization (sadly).
You didnt miss much - the story is about as standard as they come. My copy of Riders of Icarus updated and also wouldnt connect when I tried a few days ago.
I have literally never played this game before, but when you started to ride the kangaroo I felt such a sense of deja vu. I can only assume they have used assets from elsewhere for that area because I remember it very vividly, possibly from Tera as I have played that game.
"On my horse with no name, it feels good to get out of the rain"
That was rather fun trying to work out what things were through context clues, images and question mark word length.
I played Riders Of Icarus when it first launched for the west under Nexon, and I'm in shock that the new publisher actually managed to make it worse.
Before it had overpriced loot boxes, gold spammers flooding the chat, and random lag spikes, but it was at least playable.
I really want to see a cutscene where the person is like "I know there is a 300 foot tall tree over there burning but I really think first we should put up our tent..."
11:48 "i need to gain some more question marks"
*looks at literally all the UI* well... i think i know where to get some from...
I remember playing this game after getting a pack on Humble Bundle, I recall playing with my friends and messing with the game to get my friends flying tames early. It was pretty fun but the game got bought by a company and old accounts got removed, there was a migration period but I unfortunately didn’t see it at the time and lost my account and its pay for items.
GIVE IT A LICK IT TASTES JUST LIKE RAISINS my god I loved that reference and it reminded me of some good times lol 13:59
Went looking for this comment to be glad to know I didn't have to type it out.
"I need some more question marks"
I have no clue why that tickled my funny-bone so much, but it did, and I love you.
Also I sang the entire "amazing horse" song. I will take my old card and put it next to me membership to albino blacksheep.
The game looks like its perfectly fine. There's nothing wrong with just following the standard genre convention.
Did you watch the video?
@@therealharshlycritical Honestly, from the video it seems like the only problems with this game are that it didn't work in the English version and it hewed very close to convention in the gameplay. It's legitimate to ask whether being conventional is really all that bad. After all, many games, films, books, etc. manage to be fantastic and also very conventional. By the same token you can create shit if you do things just for the sake of defying convention without attention to storytelling. All quests in MMORPGs are talk/go/fetch/kill quests, but what makes them good or bad is the writing- which we can't access because it's in Russian and JSH doesn't have a Cyrillic font.
@@MuhammadHosny0 Yeah this one seems like someone went to a foreign country and then complained everything was in a different language.
@Sandra Swan You are more than welcome to be wrong if you want to.
So a quick comment about the taming and mount system. You mentioned wishing it could do more. However (not to your own fault) you missed quite a bit. A few times you pulled up a menu that shows all tameable mobs in your area. Also different mounts have different ability’s when turned into pets. The unicorn is a attacker, however that kangaroo you found is actually a healer type pet. You can even tame that spider, and the large red maned wolf you killed around the vid’s halfway point. They all have special skills and some are rarer/harder then others. With the spider (or that wolf) being the highest “tier” in the starting area. On top of that some mounts have rare/alternate spawns that have different looks or better stats that you can get.
Now I didn’t get to this part but at a certain point you can even seal your “mounts” souls into gems before imbeuing your weapons and armor with them. (Remember when your character used the gem on the sword and failed?) well it’s a much higher level of that you did… and of course as you saw it can fail causing you to lose said gem, AND a cash shop selling gem boosters and the like… ya know… granted! They are a little generous with the premium currency. During a few of the achievements you got if you noticed the small blue stone in the right side of the banner? That’s the premiums currency. Besides that well… yeah it’s pretty accurate even for being in an unknown language. (???)
Want to look into Allods Online? Love this game despite it being a nightmare for new players. Either they join a P2W f2p server or a sadly dead p2p server.
11:42 "So I need to gain some more question marks." Commentary is on point in this video.
Would you recommend some beastmaster/riding MMO that you find good?
I love things where you can tame fantasy creatures and use them in various situations, but those games do tend to have their issues.
If you could go back in time I would recommend Riders of Icarus, now? I don't know any that are at all decent
Riders of Icarus
It's like the only game that let's you tame and mount almost EVERYTHING.
One of the early game bosses(Vulcan) is tamable, you get him at level 30 or something around that, pretty sure most of the bosses are tamable.
The only thing that makes Icarus bad is how much the new owners screwed it up... Buggy as hell and way more p2w than it was.
If you're still wondering, beside ROI, Theres Dragon's Prophet (Legacy), a similar taming mechanic MMO with a way more interactive Minigame but like the title says, they're DRAGONS, which isn't a Bad Thing of course.
Give it a try, atleast in DP you Don't need Marks or RNG to tame dragons, If you're high enough Level you can get almost any Dragon.
Omg im dying. That scroll bamboozled his mount lmao
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Hi, glad I stumbled щт your channel, great content. Hope you get lot more subs. Hello from Russia, ?????.
I genuinely loved this game at launch and some time later too, but sadly it become more and more p2w.
And then the VALOFE nation attacked and everything changed for the worse.
I loved this game back in 2016. I don't play it anymore cuz I lost interest in mmos but the thing I liked the most about this game was the mounts.
I immediately started singing "Look at my horse, my horse is amazing!" and now I feel called out 😂
This game was pretty cool. Only tried it for a few hours. I give the game credit for having a Crosshair Mode. I wish SWTOR had one.
I can't believe you didn't mention this, but...
Nexon was the original publisher of RoI. I played it pretty much since it launched, and you know, it was repetitive, but it was also pretty damn fun too. I loved it. I sunk hundreds of hours, and even real money into it. Not much, but enough to satisfy myself. I had an assortment of rare mounts and pets... and I was loving the events... but I took a break for a while when bigger games came out. I returned to it one day to find that I couldn't launch the game from their launcher. The game was showing that I owned it, but I couldn't play it. When I researched the problem I found that they sold RoI to some Asian company and *deleted my entire account.* Hours of time gone. Money gone. Everything gone. Apparently there was some kind of "migration" to the new servers, but I was never notified of it. Every time I think of this game now, I think of how much I miss it, and how I don't have the heart to start over.
I am here MONTHS late, but I vividly remember really good memories from this game from around 2017-18 I think. Spent a lot of nights up with it. This makes me sad that it broke this bad, but I also remember accidentally releasing a rare mount and ragequiting so badly that I never went back. User error, yes, but it was effective.
"If i had longer i'd probably try to capture and tame everything" looks like someone's filled out a pokedex or two before.
This reminds me of the time I played Blade&Soul on a Russian private server about 2 years before ncsoft finally decided to do an official EU release.
The game was rudimentary translated into faulty English, with some parts being in Russian and other parts + voice-over still in Korean. 😂
But I did well.
I remember playing this back then when it went open Beta on steam and while it was fun, with its mount and taming mechanics, it was also unnecessarily confusing and sloooooooow... also yes, as a TERA player at the time the similarities were impossible not to notice
NGL This doesn't seem so bad despite the language barrier.
NPC: "????????"
Josh: "You are saying what we're all thinking"
Pretty accurate, honestly
"I'm just going to play this game as if it was Tera..."
You're wearing too much clothing for it to be Tera.
Also, here in the states, during September (and likely soon), you'd need that mace to first procure some Toilet paper. You're not likely to get any without one.
"Full uninstall. Full reinstall. And guess what?"
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Hi there, I really like your channel. Please review "Age of Wushu" for your next "Worst MMO ever?" video.
I will add it to the list :D
@@JoshStrifeHayes Oof. I played that. Wait til you see the ridiculous money system they have in that game.
I played RoI back when it first came out. I even spent £75 on their Legendary Riders Pack before it entered Open Beta. Unfortunately I had to drop the game for several years after 2017 due to real life circumstances.
Seeing this video actually made me want to go back and pick it up, now that a lot of stuff has finally settled down. Only to discover Nexon didn't keep up the contract, that the publisher changed hands, and that Nexon DIDN'T EVEN BOTHER TO EMAIL ME ABOUT MIGRATING MY ACCOUNT. Apparently my entire RoI (and the admittedly hundreds of dollars I spent on it) are literally fucking deleted, lost forever, because neither Nexon nor new publisher Valofe ever sent me an email. Nothing. Not a single email saying "By the way if you don't migrate accounts, your Icarus data is being deleted and fuck you, thanks for the money."
I'm beyond angry. I genuinely enjoyed Icarus too, is the worst part, it wasn't the worst obviously Korean game I'd ever played (and I liked it more than TERA, to be honest.)
I think I need to give up on games that feature mount and mount based combat. First it was Dragon's Prophet and now it's RIders of Icarus. How do these people keep fucking up these games and stealing my money like this.
Same
This is why only few MMOs are still alive because they have their own identity or they are the ones who set the standard for that certain mechanic. For example, wow has its dungeon and raids or Black desert has its combat system. I think if they did more of perfecting a certain mechanic rather than cramping all it in just to have quantity, MMOs will be a much more alive genre in gaming market. It's more of finding a demographic than trying to please everyone because it usually ends to pleasing no one.
Spot on.
Who needs innovation when you can just slap an M on the title and port it to mobile? That's where the bulk of money is in the market - the Asian mobile market.
They're doing that with icarus m.
This reminds me of being a kid, before I learned to speak English, and just intuitively working out what each button in a game did. For every game I played.
I was fluent by the time I started Elementary School.
Easily one of your best videos! This just goes to show your ability to be able to take a bad situation (game not working and the version that is working is in another language) and turning it in to a fun video. Very happy I subscribed
It's interesting to note that familiarity with a genre and adherence to convention allows a game to be so intuitive as to bridge a language barrier. Good shit.
Riders, BY FAR is the most cookie cutter themepark mmo I've ever seen. It's truly tragic.
hey i really hope you come back to this one! as someone who's played riders of icarus the main thing that made me like the game was actually a part a bit later where you gain the ability to tame and ride monsters, i remember going into an area i shouldnt have been in and taming a fire bird mount so i could fly earlier in the game than was intended and it was surprisingly fun, the rest of the game is just pretty basic mmo stuff though. only downside is to get to the mount part you'd probably have to read dialogue! so uuh high hopes for a video on it coming out in 2030
I'll probably regret this, but this makes me want to redownload the game and play it again. Maybe because I am very bored with my other games at the moment. I do remember playing this and enjoying it at least somewhat, but that was also over 4 years ago. And I have nothing better to do.
This series is absolutely amazing.
Same. Though I distinctly remember that I stopped playing bc the max number of steeds you could have tamed at the same time was pretty low. That was the main point of the game and of course, they locked it behind a pay wall.
"???? ?? ????????..." Was actually the most useful loading tip i've read