Element RC Enduro VS. Traxxas TRX-4 Sport - shootout
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ก.ค. 2024
- Which one is the best RC Crawler, TRX-4 Sport or Element RC.
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TRX-4 Sport for $339 - bit.ly/2XcxnGc
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Hi, in the uk the rtr element is 130 dollars cheaper than the trx4 sport rtr.
I cant decide which one to get, taking the difference in price would it make the element a no brainer?
Love them both but Associated has my heart. 1984 RC10 is what got me into RC and 35+ years later....👍🏼
Associated rc10gt was what got me into the sport i still have it too. Good shocks and pan
RC10 in my childhood. Then B4 buggy and 8th scale in my pre-kids racing days. Legacy!!
Dezfan I’m with you. My 17.5 buggy is a B6d. I’m rooting for Associated to succeed at this.
How do these compare to a traxxas summit 1/10?
I have associated cars and a B5M too. 2 Elements 1 rtr1 kit.
Very informative review and seemed unbiased- I enjoy your reviews because you rarely bad mouth any product/brand. I’ve been following your channel for quite a while and your reviews are excellent, but I would appreciate more step-by-step video on upgrades. For instance you talk about over/under gearing on the TRX, but a detailed video showing the parts required and then steps on how to install would be very helpful. Thanks for all the good info.
Nice comparison and non bias. I have a TRX-4 and just purchased the Element because of the good comments that I read in various reviews and was curious. I changed out the bumpers first off, replaced front and rear diff covers with brass and changed most of the plastic parts to the hard plastic upgraded available. Also trimmed the wheel wells some and added nice decals available on Amazon specifically for the body. Still waiting on two out of stock hard plastic parts though. Changing out the ESC as well. Working on a Killer body after I seen one you speculated on.
A few of our Element RC steering bolts were not torqued properly and caused a bit of steering play. We tightened everything up and got 115 cm of steering diameter. A little bit better. So check all your steering bolts cause it limits steering.
There is still a bit of flex in the shock towers and panhard that hurts steering diameter a bit.
The vehicle is hard to trim straight. It seems to veer toward the direction where it last turned.
Notices that as well, the straight tracking, after I tightened up things. Seems the truck likes it loose. Could be the the servo, though its the best rtr servo yet, still lacks enough of something to return to center fully.
You guys are the best, most honest channel on the Tube. Have you ever thought about doing a series on actually setting these rigs up as they would be for comps? Class 1 and 2 with scale points etc. I would be super interested in seeing that. The TRX4 sports at my local comps dont seem to perform that well. Your results would be interesting.
Thank u and in my trx 4 defender I want to do upgrades to it but I am a noob and just was looking for alil help for it
Thank you so much for your reviews. Very helpful. Can you tell me what the bumpers are that you put on the element? Thanks again
Awesome review once again! It would've really surprised me to see Element beat Traxxas right out of the gate. They better keep keep their eye on the ball though. For Elements 1st entry into the crawling market, I would have to say they did quite well. Still surprises me that they didn't at least offer a portal axle option.
What is the front bumper of the Enduro. Traxxas TRX4 front bumpers fits on the enduro front bumper mount?
another good video. Good job. Really instructive.
Great Info, love the details you give!
Im really curious how the newer element stuff compares to the trx4 sport now. id love to see a comparison between the trx4 sport and element ecto personally!
Yes Good Informative Content, I have been running my enduro for a few days and the one thing that keeps coming to mind is the Precise and calculated Precision performance of the Sendero-
Precision is a good term for it. Shows their racing heritage.
Can you do a video, or tell me how, on how to adjust sensitivity going backwards with a 415 DX5C? I have a Gen 8 Scout, and it has the same problem as the Element, reserve is TOO fast. I can't seem to figure out how to reduce sensitivity in reverse, otherwise I like the Scout. Thanks!
Luv the vids keep it up enjoying them I don’t think you will ever find another truck to knock off the king oh and thx great info on all the trucks might wait for the kit edition for the element I wish it had portals I think it would make it a better truck once again thx for all your info it is very helpful.
Truly great insight. What would you say are the weaknesses of the Element RC Enduro Sendero? Love that we have another great choice now.
What would be your first upgrade for the element?
Buddy of mine just installed the 10.2 front axle in his sendaro. Likes the overdrive much better. Just a side thought. Great video as always
Hard hitting no nonsense, love it! Not the outcome I was hoping for, but the chips fall where they may. I have based my last 3 purchase’s on your reviews and have not been disappointed, so thank you for saving me from myself and a little bit of money too! Your word is Bourne, your following is growing and I hope when the big boys come calling and I suspect if they aren’t they will be soon that you don’t sell out. Stay true brother, your the dopest voice out there right now!
It's not the outcome were hoping for either. We were rooting for the new kid! But it was very close.
Fair, balanced, and honest (even tho' my chassis lost). That said, I went with the Trailwalker (subsequently released and AFTER AE dropped the price) which fixes the Sendero body/bumper shortcomings. The TW 1.5s are too small and hard, but everyone switches anyway (don't they?) and the go-kart wheels and tires fit nicely on a 1/12 vehicle of mine. Thanks again for the great comparison.
I own neither of these but had already decided that on my limited budget,the TRX4 Sport kit would be my next crawler. This video confirms my choice. My first "proper" RC car was an RC12E so I have a lot of affection for the brand,but for pure performance the TRX has it. I don't think people should forget that this (the Enduro) is a new car and still a WIP,the TRX has been developed over time to get where it is,I'm sure the Element will do the same,but at the cost of the purchasers pocket....excellent video again the best.
thanks buddy. Yes, we grew up with Associated. This one still has bugs to work out but it is a better value and will wake up the whole crawler industry.
Keep these amazing videos coming!
Are these useable in the snow? I'm a dirty freestyle drone guy but I've been looking for something to do in the winter. Crawlers appeal to me more than racers since I'm more laid back and not competitive. A local hobby guy reccomended both these models and I'm so torn on which one to get.
hey quick question do you prefer 1.9 over 2.2 tires?
Great video, a well done comparison both are realy nice trucks but i still want the axial scx10 2 honcho thats my dream rc truck... i know that is not as good but i realy love the honcho since that grey one that i fall in love with it...
Great review as always man. I am a year late to the game here but Looking at buying the Enduro. Here in the UK it is by far the cheapest RTR crawler. It is £340 here where the TRX4 sport is £410
Thanks for the honest unbiased review
Great review, thanks!
Would you give the gen 8 3rd? Your review of it is y got one 3 days ago..lol
Was looking to get the Enduro, but no one in Norway sells this car yet and by the looks of it the TRX-4 Sport is a better choice. Now, that being said, do you know the travel on the stock servo on TRX-4 Sport? With the TX/RX/ESC included you can't switch to a Savox 1210SG without swapping all the electronics due to no adjusting the maximum angle on the servo. So to keep the stock electronic, the only way to upgrade the servo is to go with the Traxxas 2255? My brother tried to install the 1210SG in a stock TRX-4 Sport and it twisted the whole front axle. Got any tips for a servo besides the 2255, or do I need to change it all up?
Thanks again! Another great vid.
I notice you don't mention departure ,approach and ramp over angles in the comparisons..maybe something to include in your comparo's for next time.Also suspension travel differences like which one has more flex in the front and rear.
The selectable locking diffs seems really nice. Would love to try one against my Sendero where I go.
What did you mean when you went to the Proline tires and said, 'Heavier tires on the front'?
You never mentioned how the two compare in weight or maybe I missed it. Watching them drive it appears that the Traxxas weighs more but that could be the shock/suspension setup.
The Enduro does need weight in the front for steep inclines
Mine was doing backflips on steep hills
Enduro is a excellent crawling and trailing rig !
Stock servo is a metal gear Reedy 1320mg @6v 173oz
I had no issues while out trailing & crawling with it
Motor is a 16t Reedy stayed cool on the 90 degree day we crawled
Reedy SC400X Brushed ESC - worked perfectly & ran cool
Shocks are smooth ! It crawls over terrain beautifully
XP130 Controller is awesome & top speed is adjustable 👍
What I did to mine
Made a custom 4/5mm Bullet connector to deans for my Shorty packs
Changed the overdrive to 11.83%
Removed stock bumpers
Trimmed fenders (they hit the tires)
Installed aluminum servo horn
Install traxxas slash 12mm hexes
Servo tape the truck bed and reattached the screws
Put on SSD rims w/Jconcepts Ruptures w/Pro-Line Dualstage Foams
Neck strap on controller held on w/ziptie
I just picked up an Enduro, I’m not sure if I like the angled bash plate on the front of the IFS. Last night I did a hike n crawl in Suzana pass mtns and it repeatedly gets hung up at that fr axle area . My Axial AX-10 Skorpian with 2.2 rims had a lot more capable in sleuce pit. However the realistic ness of the Element Enduro is boss, I like the IFS except for the lower front clearance,(just got to choose smoother lines.
Hi man thanks for the videos, I ordered the element after watching your videos !
I love your channel...you helped me pick the trx4 sport...i absolutely love it...I took the bumpers off like you said and it's a huge difference..your info is top notch my friend...!!!!!
Glad I could help
the best and most honest reviews on youtube. Thanks
why thank you. We had a lot more to say but this was too long. Next one is 5 problems of the Element RC and how to solve them.
how about traxxas trx4 sport vs element enduro knightrunner? can show to me? can make video for me about comparison thank you
Excellent breakdown on the pros and cons. I'm going to be interested in how the Element truck evolves.now that is in the hands of the customers.
Yup. We're hearing a lot of little issue. No big ones though. This version 1.0 is pretty darn good. Better than any current more expensive Axial.
Great Review! I liked your newer editing style where you put the testing footage at the end instead of top of your review. Keep up the great work. Quick ? - Should I go with the TRX4 sport or Trx4 if money is not an issue? The sport looks awesome and you declare it king, so for most folks are the additional 2 gear transmission and lock/unlock diffs fun but not really necessary? In another words is there any place a trx4 can go that the trrx4 sport can't go?
that's great feedback. Thank you!!!
what's different between this Enduro, Enduro HD, and Enduro SE?
which mode do you have the trx4 in? it has 5 different modes. I found out that the crawl mode is the mode with the strongest drag brake.
What front bumper is on the Element?
I have both and my Sendero definitely pulls its weight against it.
does element rc suffers torque twist?
RC Review, RC Review..... Another OUTSTANDING review! I wasn't at first impressed with the TRX-4 (Defender). In fact I acquired a Gen-8 prior to purchasing my first TRX-4 (Chassis kit), now I own three (Bronco-kit, sport-kit, Defender-RTR in that order lol) HWY-1 were the first to help me realize the capabilities of the TRX-4 and your vids have been driving the point home since! I also own Axials, HPI and Vaterra crawlers, the TRX are my hands down favorites! The Element is another great option l, but there is only one king! Thanks again, for the informative reviews.
Great review. Nothing against traxxas but their technical stuff just never adds up to Team Associated. Been an AE racer and basher since 1989. Also a collector of vintage RC. Traxxas had my vote until i seen the Enduro and decided to buy it few months ago. Again great review
I am usually an anti traxxas guy but I have to admit the trx4 is insanely capable and and very durable easily traxxas most durable RC. I have the Bronco and sport trx4, I used to have a gen8 that was pretty good too just not as durable as the trx4 but pretty capable and I've had 2 axial scx10ii that were good but only after some upgrades like shocks and things. I really think my next crawler is going to be an element but I'm having a tough time deciding between the sendero, trailwalker or trailrunner lol.
I agree. What says it all to me is Traxxas hooked their shocks up properly (only Vanquish has also done this) in a double sheer setup. It's getting old when companies keep screwing the shock tops into a flat surface and preventing proper shock articulation or causing binding.
What stinger bumper is that on the sendero
Thank you bro great review 👍🏻💯
I agree but If only associated made portal axles it could have been killer don't know why they did not go to the new in thing and went old school?
They wanted to give a great package for the non-portal crowd. And they wanted to hit that $350 price point
Ive watched this video 3 times. Its amazing what aftermarket tires will do! What compound do you use on the hyrax? Also are those red beadlocks from xtra speed? One more thing I promise lol. Is the bumper on the sendero the yeah racing stinger for the scx10 and trx4?
Always predator compound. The beadlocks are proline Method wheels
Just bought a New TRX4 and the very next day....picked up a used TRX4 with Traxxas Charger and 2 Traxxas batteries for $240, Excellent Crawlers. The Element will undoubtedly be my next purchase, I’m hoping very soon!
My brother just got the new trx4 bronco. I am considering the enduro knightwalker. Is the comparison here similar to those new models? Would you do a video on those newer models?? Thanks!
Great reviews always so honest and real...
That silver and black blazer in the video was CLEAN look really nice
Great review as always. I would be interrested to see what you thing of a lesser brand like RGT. They have that RGT EX86100 PRO Kit around… is it any good against the big boys? Thanks again.
We don't see that around here. We have a review of an MST with portals coming up. We find small brands have a lot of play in the drivetrain and steering. No upgrades or mods too.
You gonna review the axial scx10 base camp?
Super nice review my friend!! Awesome!
Great review, but I have a question about one of the test. Is it possible that the radio transmitter setting was not allowing the servo the fully turn during the steering diameter test on the Enduro trail truck? Your test indicate a average turning diameter of 57.87 inches. That is more than the original SXC10 turning diameter and 143% of my tuned SCX10 II. Please re test the Enduro turning diameter. Many Thanks
Will do. Will retest for sure. Will check toe-in too. It’s a high traction surface as well
Nice video, you are really good at comparing, i have an axial and i can hang with the trx, son in law has one. we crawl rock faces on water fall. at the end of the day the trx has it going on
Really Helpful! Thanks
We try to deliver insight.
One of the best reviews ever !
much appreciated!!!!
Have to believe that this is your most concise comparison test to date. You really hit the important points. You are my hero!
Because I have positive feelings about Associated/Element, I will build up one of the Elements from the kit when it becomes available.
Looking forward to you "developing" the Element down the road.
Only one question comes to mind...What batteries and placements did you use for each vehicle in the showdown? Full-size, shorties, other?
Thanks again.
When you gonna review the HD?
I own both trucks. I bought both as soon as they hit the market. I've driven both trucks box stock on the exact same trail and rocks. They are so close it's not funny, really it would come down to personal choice. Quality wise my Element was damaged and packaged that way. The Sport had no issues. If you leave the front bumper on the Element it performs poorly and would get beat by a lot of trucks. The motor is much smoother and quieter than the Sport but like RCREVIEW said reverse is super touchy and difficult to master. Tires about the same the more you run them the better they get. The portals and overdrive cancel each other out on my trails. The Element body is super thin, like break on the first run thin so I taped the inside of mine to strengthen it. As far as this videos assessment I agree the Sport has a minute advantage. Either truck is a great choice and I think this debate will go on and on lol.
great insight
Great video thanks. I have some ideas for fixing the reverse on the Element. Let you know if it works.
Please let us know. New ESC seems to be the main option.
@@RCReviewChannel I will, thanks for all the great info and video's🏁👻👍
Great video!!!
Thanks for sharing..you do a great shootout format
Right on. Our goal is to guide the buyer to the right vehicle for them.
@@RCReviewChannel I am struggling on deciding which route to take as in which kit to buy. I will likely mod it over time but I worry about discovering after I make the move that I went the wrong route.
I was just thinking can you do the turning radius test again but on grass or dirt. The enduro has really good traction and I don’t think the pavement sidewalk test is fair because of the surface or do it on dirt but with the same exact tires on both trucks
Worn cement is a good media for testing, if your taking the rigs on rocks, rarely will you have great traction and testing the rigs while turning on a surface like cement will clue to the performance. Turn radius does matter when crawling, you have to be able to turn and make it on to that next rock. I have a favorite place for testing mine before hitting the trail, the surface is so close to the rock faces on the hill that I am able to tell if work needs done before heading out. My test spot is a 51 degree cement embankment 6' high. The Sport made it without any modifications but with a slight twisted three wheel ascent, the Sendero makes the approach (with new bumpers), but just sits at the bottom spinning the tires. Even after putting the Canyon's on the Sendero, it was the same. It lacks the weight of the Sport and couldn't force enough grip to ascend. The General's wouldn't grip that well on the Sport either, partial ascents and then just start sliding down.
this is why i love this channel. No bullshit! The problem with the element's reverse is the 75/25 throttle position the stock controller comes with. Even with the new axe gen8 coming out I still think i'm gonna opt for the element as my second rig. It'll go nice wit my trx4 sport.
They're both so close. Element is more flexible. TRX4 is more robust.
Great video! 👍
Great videos dude.
Excellent review, but love my Element Enduro!!!
Nice vid thanks!
Why was the element not equipped with the 11.8% overdrive that comes in the box? Would have actually made it a much more fair fight in not only turning radius, but climbing/descending and reducing torque twist... all pretty important factors.
For myself its a case of if i was to buy a new car its gonna be the element sendero.. however i dont tend to double up on same style vehicle's. So having an axial scx10 (1) and not really being able to get out to really take advantage of the offroad crawl abilities is currently non existent..
In a lot of ways as much as id like a new car cant justify it.. like im looking at a tamiya super fighter 2wd buggy . Then i looked at a maverick buggy but saw how weak it was from a slow speed crash.. so motivation wise its stuck at home.. i can see what i like or might want but then lose the desire to buy anything..
I always thought the real fun is getting a rig, no matter how capable or expensive, to perform or climb better than you think it should.😎 Great rigs, both look like a good time.
i think you captured our spirit there. Get good rigs to do more! And have fun trying.
Great review
Not rooting for Traxxas, Element either. But I figured it was going to be a tough call in the end. If you know your trails, you will be able to decide which is more suitable. As it is, I kind of hoped that the Element would do better, especially in the turn radius. Really is going to come down to personal preference, Traxxas haters will be all over the Sendero claiming it to be better of course. Personally I don't like the Sport body, the Sendero gets my vote, but looks like it will have to be replaced sooner. Element has some catching up to do and the 3rd party support is going to be a key player for the success of this vehicle.
So, Sport needs a better servo, and overdrive front diff (maybe), some time spent cleaning the windows or new unpainted body.
Sendero, tires, esc (HW1080), bumpers or mod them, and body sooner.
Cost for modifications is pretty close to each other so that doesn't help tip the scale, really is going to come down to style over performance.
And don't get me going on the "portals aren't scale", maybe not stock but they do make them and get installed on 1:1 rigs.
Enjoyed every minute and it was an eye opener to realizing the the Sport really is tough to beat.
Excellent analysis!
@@RTmadnesstoo its been three weeks and the Element is now in the hands of the common man. The Element Enduro Facebook page is pretty full of the other issues being found and how they are being addressed. Let's just say that the Sendero is finally performing well, but having the growing pains that the Redcat Scout also experienced.
@@TerraQuestRC Too bad I don't facebook
Yes very good analysis.
This probably has to be the most intelligent, unbiased reply that I've seen to a head-to-head comparison of any vehicles.
So after i have see some of your videos i must say that trx 4 sport, is one of the most capable or the most capable scale truck. Climps very easy , i am very impressed about this vehicle.
@21:00 the sport had no bumpers and the Enduro did. Wonder if the Enduro would've done better with no bumpers.
For sure. Mine does way better with just the bumpers flipped, new holes drilled to posts to pull rear bumper in even further.
Also should have used the enduros 11.8% OD in this Dave off as it’s included in the box...🙄 would have helped with the turning radius, climbing and descending.
@@northsandiegorc3276 He said he put the 12% overdrive in it and tried it with that, too.
@@tgjaedan but he didn't use it in the shoot out...
Excellent video. The Enduro is on sale here in Canada, although still costs more than a TRX4 Sport.
Oh wow! International pricing is crazy sometimes. Throws off the value proposition.
@@RCReviewChannel Yeah it's tough to source trucks here if you don't live near a shop. I have to order from across the country or from China. Importing from the US is brutally expensive.
Wouldn't replacing the esc fix the reverse issue and not the radio/receiver?
with a decent radio you can limit your reverse to whatever you desire
maybe. What will work for sure is controlling the expo curve or the sensitivity of the reverse. That might affect the forward movement though which is already perfect.
@@RCReviewChannel in a 5 point throttle curve you can change only the point in the curve you desire. No need to adjust the forward, only reverse
Is the wheelbase the same on these trucks?
both 12.3 inches
Excellent unbiased review 👌
The Enduro is still very interesting to me. If I wasn’t still enjoying my Gen8, I think this is the one I’d go for. The clever tricks and original thinking in the design are very appealing...and no offense to the Sport but the Enduro body looks way better to my eye. That’s more important than I like to admit. :)
Most folks get interested because of the body, like real cars. Hey, we're in 'scale trail' category after all.
Have you tried the RC4WD vehicles??
No but a few in our group have them. So pricey and more for scale than performance.
Were is the review of the mst jp1?
That is coming this week. We have all the footage now.
It's been said reversing the polarity of the motor on the associated fixes reverse alot
Interesting
thank you for the honest review. I agree with it completely. I was afraid you would jump on the band wagon but im glad you didnt. I own both as well and the only thing I would change is the torque twist comp, I think traxxas wins since the element has that weak c channel chassis and the stiffeners are made of weak plastic
ahhhhhhhh.... didn't think think about that. There is a bit of chassis twist allowed since it's the same frame as an Axial. The TRX-4 is 1mm thicker in frame and it's a huge difference.
Awesome man!
gracie!
Best vs videos on TH-cam.
Just had another independent hobby firm duplicate the Steering Diameter test between the TRX4 and Enduro trucks. You for sure have a "Blunder of Testing" in your results. The Enduro does turn much sharper than the TRX4. I have neither of those vehicles but, I do have SCX10's and SCX10 ii's to compare with. Based on other You Tube examples between the Axial and Traxxas products, I believe you test results for the TRX4 are correct.
I'm going to get both trucks ...I have a Axial scx10 2 Trailblazer ..I want these two and the Ford F - 350 with a trailer YesYes by the summer!!
Could you change the ESC in the Enduro to maybe program less power to the reverse gear?
Speaking as an owner, nope, the ESC cannot be adjusted. Not sure if Francis meant to say better "ESC" at 9:11 or not, but either one is correct. A different tx (with lots of settings) does in fact help. I am running the stock ESC motor combo with a DX5C. I have a HW 1080 in my parts drawer, but no longer see the need for it in this vehicle.
NaturallyRC oh ok, thank for the info
Are you in San Diego? Linda Vista SD? Looking at getting one of these for my boys and looking for places to go. Thanks.
No. San Jose, CA
There’s Torrey pines glider port, lake wohlford, Elfin forest, Del cerro, mission trails...
Wow my choice got harder, yet easier. A TRX Sport builder kit is only $280 which leaves room for an optimal ESC and motor combo. I still want to give that Enduro a try though. Your review was the transparent and honest info I expected and left very little room for doubt. Thank you as always. ...... And to whoever claimed the driving style compromised the comparo, he explained the Associated’s “embarrassing” drivability issue at the start of the video. 👍🏼🏁💯💯💯
TRX-4 builders kit for sure. Can sell that bed rack for $40. Can weight the tires and mod them for amazing performance.
RC Review Its hard to argue with the steering radius, my SCX10 is atrocious. Plus I already have Beadlocked PitBulls and Hyrax tire sets. Thank you again! 🤙🏼