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The way I see FEH is a card collecting game, the main thing I've always done is collect the characters that I like so in that sense yeah I'm very much a F2P player
Same here. Not skilled enough to get anywhere with summoner duels, but at least able to maintain an ok arena and AR tier. That's good enough for me, cause it gives me enough to build the units I want.
Agreed,i love these character chibis and battle animations,its very rare for me to get then because theyre strong or something
Been playing since launch and I STILL don’t have base Hector and base Ryoma. Only last year did I finally get base Elise.
I mean, you could get some cipher boxes haha and get physical fe cards :)
Big same. That's the only reason I still play, honestly
I'd say the issue isn't F2P not being possible to a wide audience, it's instead this:
*"There is no such thing as a "safe investment" anymore."*
Way back in the day, the best thing we could do is save for a favorite one-off & try to +10 any amount of the many 4 star candidates that would show up willingly or no. Slap on budget skills like Fury+Desperation or give them some TLC via some rarer T4 fodders that could truly make them look nice, and it was sign & seal.
Today? I was attacked in AR by a fully flowered, invested, and supported +10 Brave Marth sat in front of my +0 Neutral W!Dimitri who only had my lowly Panic Manor hit some of B!Marth's allies and W!Edel's T4 Ploy hit B!Marth & pals. W!Dimitri ran up, prf pre-combat charged his No Quarter, and promptly 1-shot the B!Marth. Turn 2, instant surrender by the attacker.
Today, it feels as if unless you have the newest flavor of dumbness/the newest release heroes, you simply cannot compete.
We couple this with the time required to garner the required resources to build said 4 star focus or special/Grail Unit/5 star to our tastes:
- The X orbs/grails required to summon said unit that'll always vary person to person
- 5-30 Flowers needing 600-3260 flowers hoarded to upgrade stats +1 - +6 based on year of release
- 10 additional copies to upgrade all stats +4
- Anywhere between 1 to 3, sometimes even 4 or 5 desired high quality units to sacrifice skills to give them ABC, Special, and Attuned Slots suited to taste, made worse if the unit is prf-less, adding a Weapon fodder requirement for typically the latest Arcane weapon of that type
The cherries on top:
Did you miss Engage Marth? No optimal special charging.
Did they receive a Resplendant form? $10-15 to purchase FEH Pass to access a further +2 to all stats that cannot be gotten anywhere else.
And finally, the lynchpin of it all:
There will always be that non-zero chance that the very next banner releases a unit that does the entire kit & caboodle of your "max" invested unit better than said unit ever could thanks to a basekit that just so happened to have all of the desired effects and mayhaps also come with a prf weapon, skill or special to widen the performance gap.
That's all I got, ZeShado. I'd like to hear your thoughts on this.
Investments are inherently not f2p friendly though, no? Your F2P “favorite” that you invested 300+ orbs in with fodder gets deleted by a new nuke I get in on average 60 orbs. Seems pretty f2p friendly to me.
Every single one of these reasons are why I quit playing this game. And to think ideally you need to go through this mess for at least one full team to compete in any mode. It's just not fun, and there's other things I could be doing.
And before someone says this: I think you should be able to compete in any mode you want to the highest of your ability and skill and not be limited by your ability to engage with outside arbitrary design mechanics specifically designed to be roadblocks. I don't care if it's a gacha, I will always abhor this design.
As someone who was f2p that quit 3+ years ago your essay comment didn't even read as English. Like what abomination has this game become? Lol
@@GamingTranceSeer It's bad dude, it's really bad LMAO.
To put it in layman's terms, complexity creep + powercreep, units that are good only stop being good because something WAY stronger with less investment comes out and blows them out of the water, until another new thing releases and blows them out the water ad infinitum.
Honestly, i just play only to get daily orbs and whatnot and then summon for characters i really like, but otherwise i dont do shit. The game has become too powercrept for me to enjoy it otherwise.
this right here
I did this for years, got fairly lucky with random 5stars along the way - Just played game properly and did like 5 chapters worth of easy>lunatic and almost every paralogue and used all those gems. Now i'm sat here twiddling my fingers like, err what do I do now :|
9:13 its the same with Yu-Gi-Oh where people ask why are Japanese people so good in Master Duel (Yu-Gi-Oh "sim")? And it's because their card text is more clean and organized than in the west where is more jumbled and can be a overwhelming wall of words
F2P I can’t compete at all, I’ve resorted to being a fun casual to preserve my sanity.
I have the FEH pass, so I'm not F2P. Had a clearly F2P guy with book one units go against my AR-D. He got slaughtered. Being F2P hasn't viable anymore, and frankly, the power creep is so bad, I'm losing interest in the game. My 40+10 Ascended Laegjarn cannot do anything against these far saves, and that really makes it hard to care about the game.
I’ve been f2p for a while aside from getting a couple resplendents, and I’ve completely given up on aether raids since there’s no way I can compete there
My light season AR offense team basically revolved around Severa and B!Lucina up until last year when things finally started getting out of hand and I couldn't just cheese things by Omni tanking through the BS anymore
Yeah, I just let the auto-dispatch do its thing for me nowadays. It doesn't give me much rewards but some is better than none. I only try AR when I'm going for rewards that require me to do it myself
I used to like AR but movement shenanigans and status bs forces you to enemy phase (which is dead) or do everything in one turn (which is often difficult).
AR for me is still the most accesible for F2P, but yeah I mostly use BS units like W!Byleth. But Arena is just pain. Modern duo units + new skills makes it unplayable. Things like Robin, Elincia, Hinoka is just disgusting. The only "solution" I see is save like 1500 orbs for a Broken duo unit and make a wish for that unit to not get powercreeped that fast.
Galeforce or Hit and Run has been very kind to me in offense
You just have to know what you're doing 👍 for anyone wondering if they can't do it
I am a F2P and I only play AR as a competitive mode but not to the point of staying in Vault of Heaven. I mean, staying in VoH is way harder then getting in - one season I get in VoH, then the next I fall off. I could stay but I require merged mythics and must demolish every team on offense while getting all the pots, and that's incredibly hard if you are maintaining it while being a F2P.
As a F2p player i rarely play aether raids and summoner duels because I'm mostly saving my orbs for new alts of my favourite characters and don't have the meta stuff so theres really no hope for me winning
aether raids basically just exists to do a few attempts each week for the daily rewards and the weekly rewards from playing; imo the rewards for the lower tiers are perfectly fine to coast on for enjoyment without the need to try hard for higher levels
summoner duels is just no; quite frankly they should have never put actual rewards behind it, only had it as a fun little mode to mess around with other players; you win yay if not oh well it's not locking you out of resources. pvp in gacha games is never enjoyable unless you're a whale
I'm fully f2p and I've basically just gotten this game down to a png collector. I don't play Aether Raids, Summoner Duels or even really Arena at this point because it's not even that fun for the amount of effort you need to put into it.
With the orbs I get naturally, I can generally get 1-2 5-star units on each seasonal banner and the occasional 5-star or two on the standard banners and I'm content with that.
I have played the game for 5 years and never wasted a single penny on the game
You're a strong one I've wasted a lot on feh pass😭
I mostly waste the orbs to +10 the sacred stones cast so i either waste on SS banner or a unit that have good fodder
I'm mostly F2P until now. I've had 17 merge projects completed as of now. In terms of summoning a demote unit you like, sometimes, it takes months to get that demote you want as a merge project. When my Shez (F) was stuck at +8, it literally took me 4 months to get my 9th merge then 5 days later, I got the final copy to +10 Shez (F). For Arena scoring purposes, you need a Legendary Hero to get the highest score possible. If you don't have that Legendary Hero, it's pointless. The only way to get them is summoning on a Legendary/Mythic banner or Legendary/Mythic Hero Remix banner. In terms of Aether Raids, the important part is the Mythic merges to gain more lift and it requires a lot of orbs to get merges on a particular Mythic Hero. For Summoner Duels, it's mostly busted units like V! Lyon and probably stay away from that game mode especially if you're F2P and don't have any good units to use or don't know how to play this game mode properly. Also regarding about sparking on a banner, seasonal, Legendary/Mythic, Double Special Heroes banners require FEH Pass in order to get the spark after 40 summons. F2P players without FEH Pass won't have access to the spark. About the Forma Soul, if you want to get more than 1 Forma Soul, you have to wait before the Celestial Stone Shop reset which will take a few months if you want to get a specific Forma unit you like, that's for F2P players who don't spend money on getting a Forma Soul. Otherworld Bond is paywalled and F2P players won't get that resource for Binding Worlds. In terms of the current meta, I would consider that F2P might slowly be dying but can still be possible until now depending what units you currently have
Im mostly ftp and very ocassionaly buy a feh pass (because I reach a spark and I get pissed at not getting anything) or some times once every 4 or 5 months a forma pack.
As long as you dont act on impulse and spend your free orbs in the units you believe will bring power to the way you play you are mostly fine.
Another good tip is to not act on impulse with the fodder. If you get 2 copies of a cool unit do not merge them, save it in the reserves. Eventually you could need that fodder for another unit you might want to build that could bring a ton of value to your game. Merges are mostly worthless since at the current pace everything gets devaluated way too fast.
And speaking of devaluating, do NOT invest in tanks. Those are the ones that lose their value the fastest. Best investments are supports, a good nuke with some useful gimmik and favorites.
I feel like investing in a +10 is a bad idea since it will be overpowered by a random +1 in two months. Moreover, investing in your favorite, even with the bests skills is still not enough for the monsters that are released every months (and already come with a full kit). That's why I pull my favorites but almost never +10 them and aslo I don"t care about most game mods ranking (I'm glad being in vault of heaven every other week but that's it)
I am a former dolphin who went cold turkey when the pass dropped, because I finally saw the writing on the wall when the predatory pass came out.
I don’t touch summoner duels or arena other than bare minimum to get basic rewards. AR I’ll play since my gold throne rank is pretty high but I don’t summon any units with AR in mind. And many modes, I’ll just completely forget to do because I’ve lost so much interest in FEH that I don’t really care if I don’t remember to do my pawns of Loki run or whatever.
I don’t even summon for SI to dump on my existing waifus because it’s so expensive to go get the fodder.
I always said for many years that the SI system as it’s currently implemented is highly toxic, but for years I got a lot of pushback from the community. But it seems as the SI powercreep is completely out of control, more people are finally waking up to that fact. The basic gist of the problem with SI is that it’s basically like the equipment system of FEH, except it’s a permanent one-time use decision, so unlike pulling for CEs in FGO, you’re stuck with whoever gets the SI.
I just cannot recommend this game to new players.
Yes. Easily. Trying to keep up with modes like AR and Summoner Duels is a suckers game unless you've got amazing luck.
Powercreep absolutely comes from the units, not the skills. Unique units who do things nobody else does stand out more than flying lance unit number 52. Legendary Camilla deleting your health as combat begins, Duo Lyon taking Fomortiis Nightmare skill to it's extreme, Tina stealing buffs, Legendary Alear offering pierce DR on special activation via ally support, Christmas Edelgard with her ridiculous kit of pierce DR and non special miracle on top of galeforce and a huge atk/def debuff and 2 extra movement buffs, Christmas Byleth being the best far saver with Null C and pierce DR and a -3 scowl effect, etc. It absolutely comes from unique units. No question.
Any new player gets access to all of these new toys. All of the old toys have been thrown to the waysides of weekly revival banners or Legendary/Mythic hero remix banners. The only critical issues new players have to deal with are a lack of game knowledge (which good luck with that), resource creep (which I'd say is a bigger issue considering that we have 1000+ heroes), and being overwhelmed by the many modes (both good and garbage) on offer, and a lot of which have been abandoned (Blessed Gardens lol).
So, no. Being F2P is not dead. If you want to be F2P and keep up with the competitive modes, I hope you have a lot of patience and discipline. If you ignore that crap and try to have fun in your own ways, you'll be fine.
It depends a lot on what your goals are in this game. If you just play it for collection purpose it is mostly F2P friendly.
As a f2p player, I avoid summoner duels like the plague. I’m not about to test my strengths against a whale’s fully merged winter Edelgard.
I'm mostly f2p with the exception of the occasional feh pass, a fave gets added, or if I'm just a few summons away from a spark but have exhausted every orb resource in the game. There's really only an issue if you're competitive. If you're just casually playing, it's fine, even moreso if you have someone to play with. My partner and I build to challenge each other's keeps, which i find very fun
You really should actually try being F2P, because as a F2P actually investing into your favorites is basically never worth it.
I think the best case study is probably PM1, dude has probably gotten nearly ever orb someone can get on a F2P account, and he’s definitely successful in modes like Aether raids, but there’s a very clear reason, and that’s because he strategizes his pulls, he basically only gets characters that are good in Aether Raids Hyper offensive galeforce teams, or merges on mythics, and because he’s actually good at the game, he does well, but players like him are honestly pretty rare.
If you want to enjoy FEH in a normal capacity, as a F2P getting characters you actually want and getting meta picks can be very contradictory.
Aside from purchasing the Feh pass a few times and spending some money back on Guunthra’s banner, I’ve been very successful being F2P with some good merge projects and doing well in most modes ever since the start of Feh.
I do agree with what was discussed in the video like how progressively hard it is to keep up with score/skill creep and potentially having some investments be fruitless.
However, with enough goals and dedication towards said goals, you can still manage to succeed as a F2P player.
Thanks for this video ZeShado.
I've been a true F2P player since the day this game started. I've never hit the top the of the bar of any game mode, but I've been pretty close. I hover around Tier 19-20 in Arena, Tier 24-30 in Aether Raids, 5-7 wins in Arena Assault, Interval 19 in Resonant Battles, Synergy 79 in Allegiance Battles, and Gold Rank in Summoner Duels R/S. I've never thought it was possible to hit the true top ranks without paying, just by the nature of this game. But as long as Legendaries and Mythics continue to be very economical with 1 or 2 copies, Rearmed Units being sparkable, and orbs continue to be easy to grab, I think you can easily stay relatively competitive.
In Smogon terms, I think most F2P units and players always have been and can stay UU-tier, OU in certain seasons and metas. They will never stay in it, and some units are downright UBERS or Anything Goes with dolphin or whale-level investment, but I don't think FEH ever been a game where paying money gets you far more than the game provides out, whether in competition or fun factor. UU is always a great tier to be in.
Ive been playing since winter edelgard came out. Shes what got me into the game. I felt called out when ya said "if your favorite is meta then congrats you win" cuz that was pretty much me lmao
I like tanking. Tanking is not f2p with all the omega nukes that keep coming out. Time to use galeforce I guess. Also how can you tank when you take 60 pre combat dmg and Safy steal ALL your fucking buffs? Stupid units
i get all my enjoyment out of watching and analyzing banner trailers, which doesnt involve actually summoning. its not really playing the game, but i do think more people need to be doing it personally
I think it's possible but mainly for PvE stuff (mainly Arena, as bizzare it might sound). With the other modes though being F2P is more or less playing the game with a huge handicap.
I'm F2P and been playing since day 1. The last time I genuinely enjoyed this game was when the CYL4 brave heroes came out. I can't believe I'm saying this as a massive fire emblem fan but I want this game to EoS. The powercreep is too much.
Trying to play a gacha game competitively seems like asking to get shot in the face, I like that people do it even though because it brings out interesting dynamics. But I personally like to get the characters that are more fun for me to play (not necessarily the ones I like the most story-wise) because I get genuine enjoyment out of playing pve or arena with my builds
Being F2P the only modes where I can't reach max ranks are Harmonic Battles (not enough merge on my harmonic heroes) and SDS/SDC (i'm still around rank 17 to 20 in those modes).
Remember that you don't need all the new stuff to perform quite well in most of competitive modes, in AR for exemple I just throw my best cav nukes in defense to make a random cavline and build something each week in offense and most of the time this is more than enougth to grab a golden throne (not sure about the english name sorry, i juste translated "trône d'or" from french), same in arena with 3 grail +10 and a legendary.
Also you don't need to play competitively when you don't want to, i CAN perform in competitive mode each week, but sometimes i just don't want to spend some time on it, so i DO it only when i want.
And I think that powercreep is actually quite f2p friendly, because you can just get one copy of the broken support/nuke units of the moment (i think you need merge to tank) instead of having to invest a lot on some specific units.
But one thing is true : you can't (on a unique account, you can with 2 if you have time) play competitively AND max merge your favourite characters at the same time, you must make a choice.
You make a really good point about how power creep is subtly F2P-friendly. For example, I summoned a double Byleth while getting to the spark for Christmas Edelgard, so now I have a far savior that is basically better than the whales' +10 L!Corrins. I question why anyone is spending any money on new units when it is highly likely that the investment will be obsolete in a couple of months.
My playstyle is:
- if a mode is purely PvE, I try to squeeze all the rewards out of it. I have difficulty with Infernal difficulty and with more-recent story maps' Lunatic difficulties, but I know that those modes aren't going away forever so I care less about getting those rewards ASAP. Sometimes when I'm low on orbs and desperately want something I'll go back to a map I had trouble with a year ago, and new units or new skills on old units will allow me to get through them.
- if a mode is even partially PvP - Arena and Aether Raids do count - I engage to the best of my ability for the first few instances in order to figure out where I am comfortable, and then I tone back just a bit so I can do those modes mindlessly. This has me sitting at Tier 16-17 in Arena, somewhere in the portion of the Aether Raids background that is themed after the aurora borealis, and then during Chaos Season I am like two tiers higher (and it makes me sad every time because the aurora is so much prettier than the night sky, so when they switch to Chaos Season I'll sometimes have a gut reaction of "oh shit I did too good this week" before realizing).
- if a mode is full-on PvP, I just engage the bare minimum. I play with the characters I want to use (I tend to like cute healers, peg knights, and goofy guys) and if I know them from the main series I try to give them skills that match their personalities rather than things that are "meta". Or sometimes I make jokes - the only character I let have the skill Fury, is Legendary Young Tiki, and it's because if you give her the swirly glasses accessory, she looks vaguely like Fawful from the Mario & Luigi series, whose catchphrase is "I have Fury". But this means that anyone who puts even a slight investment into being meta, is going to curb-stomp me.
- my Sakura has gathered a collection of every healer-exclusive inheritable skill available, and this means that whenever a new healer comes out I look at their kit to know if I need to summon for them.
In the past year or two, FEH has been kind to me in a way that most people would probably hate: on each banner, the character I most care about - either because new healer skill or because they're a character I want - is the free unit, in like 80% of cases. Which a lot of people would hate because it means their skills won't be as good as the summonable-characters' skills, but for me it means I can just save orbs. The only thing I want but don't have, is WoM4 for my Sakura. Her actual kit is a weird synergy between the Live-to-Serve seal, WoM, and Rehabilitate+ that basically means that the more one of her allies needs healing, the easier it is for her to warp to them and heal them to full in order to also heal herself. It creates a decent healer that the AI cannot kill - especially because she *also* has Absorb+ Dazzling refine which means if she decides to attack on her turn instead of heal, she *still* self-heals - and yet it's something that human-controlled opponents can usually tear to shreds. But she's currently at WoM3.
I have been playing FEH since day 1, and I have been f2p. It’s both a blessing and a curse because I have a lot of heroes and resources just because I’ve been playing so long but especially right now, I have almost no way to get more orbs to pull stuff which makes it super hard to keep up with the power creep
i've actually tried making a new account at the end of december and for the moment it's going fine , (I have taken feh pass to spark for a few banners but I don't plan on making it a habit however), i have pulled and gotten very lucky for quite a lot of great units for arena AR and PVE, but I also haven't reached the critical point where every ar team is absolute bonkers like my first account did. ultimately I am actually trying to spend orbs feathers and skills much more responsibly on both my accounts and most importantly to not stress too hard on results, if I manage to get my favourite units to good merges I'll be happy
Currently I find myself spending lots of orbs for merges on my projects that I never use like A Idunn…. While getting lucky one pulls like Igrene that just makes everything soooo easy. I feel like new units are sooo overpowered that you dont really need merges or inheritance for them to work. So just spark one and you can pretty much destroy most content outside summoner duels
Tbh I think being f2p is easier than ever. Back in Day 1 you weren't méta if you didn' have +10 hector or +10 takumi. And sur you could counter them with some 4* but you still didn't have +10 hector. Then if you wanted to score well in arena you needed full +10 most recent armored units.
Now thanks to arcane weapons And broken skills you can make à random 4* stand against all the prefered weapons+ prefered skills +10 whale characters. And sure you have to summon for them but that's kind of the point of à gacha to summon. And as I play many gacha games I can say that feh is very generous in terms of free orbs And 5* rates on banners. Most gacha stop at 1 or 2% chance of getting a 5* And unlike feh the rate doesn't go up the more you summon. Feh color separation also allows you to choose who you want to summon while other gachas put everything in the same box so you're never guaranteed the character you want. And having free summons on every new banners + tickets is a god sent.
Let's take some gachas as exemple
Food fantasy: most new banners require paid ressources And they limit the number of summon you can make with free ones, Poor drop rate and no free summon
Genshin impact: they're so tightwad that when they put an event every 3 months to get the equivalent of 3 orbs in feh everyone is celebrating as if it was the most generous thing ever. Also to buy the equivalent of 1 orb you have to pay 160 of another ressource wich is also rare. If you want to pay real money it's 30€ to make what we call "à full circle" in feh. Also the drop rate is abyssmal and no free summon, you also have to summon for the weapon of the character
7ds grand cross: abysmal drop rate. You sometimes get banners with free summons but the only 5* avaible are the garbage one. Need to make 300 summon to get to the pity, one summon cost 30 diamonds and 1 diamonds is as rare than one orb in feh (so kinda generous but when you need 30 just for one summon it all of a sudden doesn't feel as generous) also if there's multiple characters on the banner you can't choose who you want when you get the pity
It's random.
Black clover mobile: abysmal droprate and they keep releassing broken characters weekly that you need to summon and full merge otherwise your account is dead because of how powercreep is out of hand. And there's skill ineritence or things like that so garbage characters are doomed to stay garbage forever. You also have to summon for the weapon of the character
Pokemon master: most new/interesting banner require paid ressources to summon, you can't with the free one. And the free ressource is so rare that would have to save up an entire year just to be able to do 1 pity on a free banner
I was f2p until late last year and the progress I've made is heavens above I did before then...
Short answer is basically, yes you can still play, but having fun is another story. As a f2p launch player, the few things that keep me playing aren't related to the game itself (mostly sunk cost fallacy and liking the characters)
Aether Raids was arguably the only fun and somewhat fair mode but powercreep killed it. Summoner Duels you could play a bit if you had some key roles, but now if you don't have the latest meta units (that have a lifespan of 3 months) and/or the busted skills, you just insta lose as soon as you run into them. Arena was always bad but is borderline unplayable now unless you just stop caring about your score. And pve is as boring as ever.
But I think the worst of all is, most people just want to play with their favorites, but the amount of resources needed to optimize just 1 unit (and keep it up to date) is absurd, and even after spending months to achieve it, you'll just see it get curbstomped by any new unit with zero investment, so why bother?
I think being F2P and being competitive in one mode is feasible, but being F2P and being competitive in all of them is impossible.
Now being FEH pass only and competitive in all modes might be doable but would require some serious planning and knowledge on what to do.
Or you can just summon your favorite character, play the story on easy and have fun.
I am more of a casual, buying the mid-month pack and feh pass, and tbh since AR is a thing I have ALWAYS used the same unit as my offense carry, and thats my grail boi Joshua
sometimes it works to stay in VoH with him and unmerged mythics (my highest offense mythic is a Plumeria +3 as example), its basically a 50/50 depending what opponents I get if I am able to stay in VoH or drop out, like right now I am currently out of the vault, it is hard to keep up with Joshua but it is possible to keep being in top 6k with him depending on matchups
The place that the whales get me is Arena. Since I have been playing since February of 2017, I have the right units in my barracks to stay in tier 21. But it is painful since my old Legendaries and score-bots get walloped by most of the modern, meta units. Of course, new Legendaries like Camilla make the mode easy and fun, no matter how dated the rest of my team might be. So this nets out that I made the decision to hoard orbs to maximize my chance of getting the new Legendary heroes.
Also, I've never really played Summoner Duels, partly because it just seemed so whale friendly.
Of the three meta modes, Aether Raids is the most F2P friendly. I look forward to it every single day.
Duo Ephraim having the biggest weapon subscription :D Tbh most things are skill issue. There are guys like PM1 and you who show how you can stay F2P and still hold top spots.
But like me, many people are not that smart and not an 20 year fan of FE. I started 4 years ago and still im learning sometimes something new. But the hardest thing is to either pay the pass or miss out a ton of good stuff if you are not extrem lucky. Last Arena unit i got was L! Hinoka because i got lucky on the free summon. The one before her was L! Shez...
The main reason how i play now vs before is. I worked for 2 years on my B! Dimitri (most favorite unit) and be happy as he finally got +10 and with good skills from forma. Just to experience, he just got useless in some month cuz SOOO many nukes got released, he can´t withstand if i don´t have the new support skills and heroes who mostly avaible in Myhic/Leg banners.... was so close to throw this game...
I feel nowadays kinda reliefed, cuz i stopped caring about getting and holding AR-O-Heaven, T20,5/T21, playing SD. I just do the PvE Stuff and average PvP stuff. (in and out of heaven + T19-20 in Arena, stopped SD complete) I don´t pull on Mythic/Legend banners anymore and just pull on spark banners with Heroes who i find fun to play like Attuned Ivy and Arcane Hortensia.
And i stopped having to many projects. I focus now on CYL Units if i like them like Gullveig (cheapest banner unit to +10) and favorites or QoL Units like Attuned Peony, Triandra, Plumeria. As well i upgrade some favorite Grail/4 Star. Sure they don´t be as op as the new Lyon etc.
For my targets, they are enough i think. I just update their kits with recent stuff and try to have fun.
BUT the new type of heroes just in Mythic/Leg Banners is a fucking stupid ass move against F2P. They want to lure us to purchase their really shitty pass... pissed me off really hard.
Just want to add, they really have to something or they start losing more and more players. I think many are in the community are pissed of and just barely touching the game. Thats why they pull more and more trigget to get us pay. But people stay strong. If they lose more players and money, we more rewars and leeway.
I stopped playing nearly 2 years ago because of the ludicrous power creep. The amount of investment I’d have to make just barely get by was really demoralizing
There are more tools than ever to make your favorite units work. Yeah, it takes orbs to get the fodder they need.
The only mode that’s impossible to stay at the top level of while using your favorite units without ALSO abusing flavor-of-the-month meta units is Summoner Duels.
I've been F2P since launch and what I do in the game is basically collecting characters. I build only those whom I can (Grail, 3-4* and 4-5* in the past). I pull generally on the seasonal banners and rarely on the New Heroes banners (only if they have someone I really want rn, or if it's a Rearmed hero I want), so I usually have meta units in some quantity. I play every PVE mod, including Arena and AR, which I really love, but I don't play PVP Summoner Duels anymore (it's scary). But otherwise, I still enjoy the game. I wish those descriptions were shorter, though. It's really tiresome to read all of it so I often don't.
At this point, im just playing to treat my favs. AR was the only mode i took seriously but now i just coast in and out of VoH.
Hi y'all f2p here, its very much possible. Just takes a lot of grinding on the paralouge levels. The most important thing as starting out is by choosing the right free 5 star units, i.e. Chrom and Corrin. The divine vein stone and Chrom's reposition will carry you all the way. Currently I have a +3 merged Emblem Chrom that is also hard carrying me through.
Personally, I say yes. It is totally possible to be F2P while still competitive in the higher echelons of the competitive modes. Even things like Summoner Duels, plenty of F2Ps regularly are able to reach Rank 1 while still being able to focus on other things. I'm basically F2P and still can compete in the competitive mode, using literally the same team to reach Rank 1 in SDR for like 6 months. I definitely agree Arena is for sure the most P2W mode in the game right now, and unironically I think SDR/S is the least P2W mode when it comes to ranking. But honestly I think a lot of folks really overestimate the "P2W"-ness of the modes as honestly, I truly believe anyone can be able to compete. I don't think it's hard to keep up, and I think an important distinction is units that are meta or powerful and units you actually need. A lot of folks equate the two, but it is very different and being able to identify what you actually need vs what is powerful is important.
@@G1-hy7oy I did get R!B!Lucina yeah but that and only one other resplendent is the only thing I ever broke being F2P. Which obviously doesn't give any advantages and all the summoning I've done is with purely F2P orbs. So the point of being able to keep up as F2P still stands imo.
@@G1-hy7oy I think you're overstating how hard it is to get units with free currency even without spark. 50th percentile you get the unit you want with ~120 orbs. We get ~320 orbs a month F2P. Obviously you can really get unlucky, but still as long as you identify what you actually need to succeed and don't just summon the latest new unit, I believe anyone can do well in the various competitive modes. Cause let's be real the average F2P player doesn't just have grail units, they also summon and get "exclusive" units too. I truly do believe everyone has the ability to succeed regardless of spending level or initial "skill" level.
@@G1-hy7oy Oh don't worry, you didn't offend me or anything and I apologize if I came off that way. It's always good to have these sort of discussions even if we disagree. And I think we'll just have to disagree on that point. I don't think there is a specific unit you will always need to summon for, there is always ways to make do, even if it is more difficult. And while yeah I did get really unlucky on the Winter Banner, the fact that it was sparkable was really the only reason why I summoned on that in the first place.
Biggest issue for me is the collection because even if I wanted to invest in a unit its even more expensive because Iwould need 2 copies of a character one for skills and one to keep. While also pretty p2w for competative modes Dx2 has a skill transfer system that destroys the sourced unit but you have the option of a transfer file to extract the skill from the unit so they just lose the skill but you can now transfer the skill to a yome else of you want
Honestly I've been hounding them personally about cleaner effect text. But one person sending them feedback through their feedback feature once a month isn't going to change that.
They already have keywords and are using them for blurbs at the end of effects. Now they just need to use more keywords and conditions. Then tap that keyword to have the blurb appear. Yeah multiple drop downs would be alot, but at least it wouldn't be a 5 paragraph effect text that's confusing to read.
That's not personally why i think the game is unfriendly to f2p players, but it is unfriendly just in general to all players
First day player here, and mainly f2p (i buy the pass 2-3 times yearly).
I think that if you want to compete, you can't be f2p anymore.
Of course, the game is still good if you only want to play casually and collect units, but the game can't be considered f2p anymore.
In the past you can hoard during months for a really powerfull unit, and since prf aren't that stacked, inerited skills allow the unit to be meta around a year and even launch units can be used.
But now, every month we have at least 2 new meta units that usually does the same thay other meta unit but better, in comparison in the past we usually recive a tier 1 but not super broken unit every 2-3 months.
In the past a grial unit super invested with premium skills can compete with the meta, but now prf are so stacked and powercreep is so fast that you don't feel rewarded for build a grial unit, since is thrash in comparison with all the duo and legendary units that come every month.
Not help that we actually are probably in the worst meta that we have since launch, a complete hyper ofensive meta full of ofensive units with pre combat dmg, brave weapons, and skills that allow the unit to ignore the defensive enemy skills. And every recent unit designed to be meta do a million of things with even xy and % maths.
F2P simply can't compete anymore.
If you get a really good pull you can manage. One broken unit can carry f2p for a long time.
The only reason I play is to get characters I like. I never do any of the competitive stuff. I just collect the orbs I can and then hope I summon the characters I want.
Yeah, seems like I can't even scrach some of my opponents in duel events and Loki pawns as well. Also, festive maps objectives much harder to do, thanks for late units bullshit strength. Seems like game peak was long gone and company trying to sell latest banners as much as they could. Still enjoying it though, because i somewhat new player, but wonder how old players feels like and how long it will continue this way, with all this mega units and exclusive skill slots.
Dude ive been playing since book 2 and only a handful of my units are usable anymore
It's just so depressing man
I have a barracks full of used to be fun units but now i would need 3 premium skills and a weapon for all of them???
And the ones id need arent even avilable most of the time?????
This is just stupid
I had to break my FTP streak since launch because the Lumera + Emblem Marth banner pity broke me when I was forced to pick on colors I didn’t want *3* times.
Considering I’m someone who has saved 2000+ orbs waiting until they release a new Selkie, I don’t see any lack of orbs haha
The real reason that the game isn’t F2P is I don’t know how anyone gets 50,000 points in TT without Auto Replay
My favorite units are Lyon and Catria and I’ve pulled every alt of both. Needless to say I’m eating good
I cant complain about 3/6/8% banners. In other gatchas the chances are like, 0.3% with no garanteed character picks and a lot of trash in the way.
Im free to play and my last goal that remained is hoping that a legendary alcryst comes on the banner.
trying to compete for the top as f2p in a gacha game is a wild goose chase. dont compete for the top, just try to complete missions, do your free summons, and build your units. running out of content is going to happen no matter what game you play if you play it for long enough.
I have been using Grail units for a while now while sacrificing the new powercreep unit skills I sometimes get since the last time i spent money on FEH was the old Black Knight pack 👍
honestly needing legendaries for arena really ins't the full picture. i am 20.5 and that misses like how much stuff compared to always 21 with my grail unit army vs 1000 orb bait units +10
ps.: why is it that the japanese always do text right and then it goes to the west and we just make it block text. thats not just a feh thing but just a general thing. they made it first so why don't we just copy the thing that we are SUPPOSED to copy anyways.
Yeah I've been a day 1 player, I've only spent a bit of money on feh pass for resplendents and a couple of orbs recently. I play the game a lot more casually now and just pull for fodder to be funny... And then said fodder gets powercrept and I find myself questioning my life's decisions (I'm looking at you, Arcane Grima and both NY Kana weapons)
I'm F2P and the only competitive game mode I play consistently is arena. I don't even touch the other pvp modes because I know I don't stand a chance with all the whales there.
I don't play summoner duels or other pvp. Never spent any penny on this game. Still I got some good things (not +10, obviously). Looking at my barracs to find skills to build my Tharja Emblem and my Kagero Emblem teams.
only 4 times to really summon
BRAVES, AHR, Kid Banners, Villain (possession) banners
everything else is a no, its not worth the 8% gamble, its not worth the random (outside of swimsuit) seasonals, don't chance that one legendary and then have no orbs when u need it, save the story for when u need it
Just summoning for some of the recent/modern characters is enough to hold you over for a while for Arena at the very least.
Keep in mind that I haven't touched AR in years and have never touched Summoner Duels.
Just do not, I repeat, SO NOT bother +10'ing ANY character unless you just really like the character. It is not worth the orb use. If that character happens to be Byleth then I'm sure Duo Byleth is something you'd consider +10'ing but modern units are so overtuned the extra merges are negligible.
On the topic of bridge fodder, it would be nice if the modern demotes, GHB and TT units just had the tier 3 skills we need now. We really don't need garbage like the 20th ploy/smoke skill or freakin Odd Follow Up. Like is Fuga got Atk/Def finish 3 then not only would he a potential worthwhile investment for the 12 people who like him since you don't have to fish for Atk/Def Finish 4 now, he could be an incentive for people to actually use Grails.
But then we'd have the issue of grails being so sparse that it would become another issue like with Dragon Flowers.
This has been a gacha since 2017. The winning move has always been don't obsess over "the best"; because this metric will constantly change. Let the whales burn their money and have the top tiers of the PvP modes, just go for the characters you like and play the content that's enjoyable without needing to +10 2-3 new units every other week.
I play everything except AR and Duels
Im still happy with it
just spend your 200 orbs for sure OP hero whenever feh releases
I'm a pay to play but I'm starting to loose sight of wanting to keep up with new units and skills I'll keep playing just gonna save my orbs for Brave Alfonse and be done.
Thanks for this. Hoping emblem Marth can carry me at least for 3 months 😭😭
As an f2p I quit because it was kinda ridiculous, two true damage inheritable red tomes locked behind a 4* seasonal focus back to back???!!!?? Uhm... no, not worth it.
Building your favorite units doesnt even feel like an option anymore because of how stupid the skill powercreep is.
me being a masochist and reroll everytime I finish all pve content and can't summon new heroes anymore
i gave up the game for a few weeks after dropping feh to fully quit, came back and just play it extremely casual now. I don't feel incentivized to spend now since DFs you need so much to build up even 1 gen 1 char and why spend money on this banner when in a month those units and skills may be obsolete, and I got to do it all over again?
I would say yea but the last few banners iv needed to spark due to not summoning a 5 star at all or getting the focus unit Im trying to get in the end i need to buy Feh pass just to get the focus 5 star i want or need Xmas Edelgard being the example if you skipped that banner arena was extreamly hard in higher tiers when that banner dropped only due to you needed her on your team to tank her if she appears on the enemey team
FTP ranking high in arena with crowns and Vault of Heaven is now long gone. It’s definitely become much harder, but not impossible.
I just by feh pass becayse of my busy schedule, but aside Arena which i dont care, it's not too bad. Just make sure you have a back up sparked Meta unit for Summoner Duels S
0:20 HOW THE FUCK DID I NOT SEE THIS VIDEO BEFORE
Nevermind I just saw it, that shit is diabolical please don't xd
Powercreep make this game so hard to chase meta , I can't reach higher tier with SDS and sdr if I don't summon for new unit
Truth is, Feh is just too boring for me to try that hard anymore. We've been cycling through the same boring chores for years now
In my experience, I enjoy the game playing as F2P, but it's a reality for me that competitive game modes are out of my league.
Because no matter how much I can grow up my favorites with the few resources the game give you for free, in the next banner with the new units, my F2P units will be outdated instantly leaving me with no choice other than trying to update their builds with new skills, or just give up in trying to be competitive lol
Story or Event it is possible. Any PvP of any kind... good fucking luck.
Yall really dont understand what being f2p means. It means you have spent NO MONEY on a game, 0 dollars, not even a CENT. Your either free to play or your not, there is no inbetween, and there is also no "Mostly" Its that simple.
PM1 shows that you can
I been F2P since I wanna say 2018
Only watched 5 seconds of the video cause my attention span by YT alogrithems is only like 5 seconds, but yes, I can answer that DTM is fraud and not F2P >_0
F2P BTW 😇Just free summon E!Marth EZ
Yes. This game went from a few annoying whale modes to an all around no fun zone.
Yeah, completely dead. It's impossible to compete with the new units... the sad part is there are new units ( even more broken the before) every two weeks
Tbh, for me i pretty much just play to collect heroes and do arena. AR, is basically Nuke simulator. Which can be fixed if IS just made the maps a little bigger.
SD is basically unfun simulator.
And to this day, colourless is still the worse pool to pull on, so 🤣 anyone whohas a fav colorless hero whether its mythic or not. Pray to the gacha godss
If you are lucky, yeah f2p is possible. But anything competitive is not worthwhile, probably.
Bord's still not in.
3:34 don't remind me I still hate him
Ever since the precombat damage meta started, I thought I could use the inheritables to update my favorite units, so I gave the tome to my +10 arete. She does 7 to 10 damage precombat. I think at this point, either you have a prf or youre worthless, and even then, you'll likely be outclassed in a few months. Its a shame, but now around 75%of the cast is absolutely worthless without spending to get the most recent fodder every time...
if I remember you get about 2 sparks of orbs every month
At least FEH is more merciful than Seven Deadly Sins: Grand Cross could ever be!
Hegemon Edelgarde is what made me quit the game.
Yep. It's why I Uninstaller outside of the only being playable in wifi bug. Every single plus10 investment of a mythic legendary becomes useless in 1 year. Bottom tier useless....if not less than a year. Lol nah I'm good
I have been F2P since 2017. Just get good lol
It is very much possible. Except maybe for PvP, but idaf. PvP always sucks in every gacha game.
Powercreep hard
No, it's possible. I'm F2P.