$1.50 per pay per view when the UFC sell 1+million pay per views he’s making $1,500,000 just on that alone. Not to mention show and win money plus outside endorsements. Assuming $500,000 show and $500,000 win. He’s bringing in $2,500,000 not counting outside endorsements for 12 weeks of hard training to prepare for 1-5 rounds of fighting. That’s great money… but I do see the argument where these guys want to make double that because of how tough this professional is on their body and minds.
That's a lot of dough indeed, but his main issue is knowing the PPV earnings of Jones, Conor, and Izzy. They make at least 10 million each, so that's why he found the Deal disrespectful.
His outside endorsements should have no factor in what the UFC pays him/ or his UFC contract. His outside endorsements are what his management team works to get him and they take a pretty healthy cut of it too.
@@MMABoutsOfficial I didn’t know those figures were confirmed for Jones/Izzy/conor. Always been curious to know contractual details for those guys. But also to be fair conor has sold over a million PPVs and holds most of the top 10 PPV of all time with Floyd. So he’s in his own league and should be rewarded as such in my opinion. Wish ngannou was able to do the boxing fight in his deal and make 30+ million that way with them. But it looks like it all worked itself out.
@@Drizzylaflair I think if you want more than $1.50 you need to be deserving of that. You need to command the audiences to want to buy your PPV fights like o’Malley, Conor, and others do. He’s a very talented fighter with amazing knockout skills, but a lot of people aren’t too excited to pay for his fights just looking at the stats. Not sure why that is, but I guess there should be more points in the table for champions as a standard. You fight for cheap for so many years and once you wear the gold belt you should be rewarded as a UFC champion. 5% of the PPV would be $4.00. So maybe that’s the magic number at a PPv cost of $80. Hard to say
Francis is looking out for himself. You can't blame him for that. I'm with you Francis. These fighters are independent contractors. Wouldn't you want to look out for your business also?
UFC gave Ngannou an opportunity and look where he is at now. Dude went from shoveling sand to having a car collection with the crown jewel being a Rolls-Royce Phantom VII worth close to $500,000. "They Offered $1.50 per $80 PPV!" Dude acts like there isn't security crew, cameramen crew, commentary crew, octagon construction crew, etc... that also need pay
@@jspringer86 Okay and he fulfilled his obligations to UFC the contract was over, he is suppose to kiss Dana ass forever because of an opportunity, fuck outta here
@@jspringer86the pay deserved by all those workers are to be paid by the UFC, not Francis. An excellent employee shouldn’t be forced to pay the sick leave wages of his coworkers just to do his boss a favor, makes 0 sense to say FRANCIS is the one that should be thinking of factoring in the wage potentials of the janitors at the Stadium when he’s renegotiating his contract. Dana has a multi BILLION dollar company and openly attempts to cuck his “contractors” from finding any other streams of revenue outside of the UFC. Dana is a leech
Also Dana: "Slap contests are the new big thing!!" He really is a joke. He ONLY cares about making money for his owners and I mean his "owners" literally. He's just a pawn.
Dana's right, boxing is dead. The only boxing matches people have talked about for the last 5 years are the circus events with youtubers and retired mma fighters. Once this fad dies out, boxing dies out with it.
UFC saw Francis as someone incredibly profitable, an income generator who wouldn’t ask for much because he came from nothing and speaks no English. Meanwhile Francis learns English, gets the belt and shows himself as the most intelligent fighter ever in his dealings with the promotion.
I’d say he is far from the smartest. McGregor, Izzy and all the other superstars are financially a lot more stable and more popular. But atleast he is doing what he wants to do
He got his education in real life experiences as he wanted to learn and progress and not huddle up in self-pity and defeatism. Great Fighter 💪 & Great Ambassador for the Fight Game
The no sponsorships deal is the biggest one. Schaub showed his receipts for the money that he got from sponsorships and it was huge. It dwarfed any purse they got. And this was Brendan Schaub, let that sink in. Imagine if this was Francis. And all because the UFC wants a bigger cut of any sponsor the fighters would get.
@@Darkgale69 no excuse as so many ways around that. All the UFC would have to do is vet each sponsor or set up some type of affiliate programme for companies to sponsor their fighters at least. The ufc could put so many rules in place for sponsors and it would still be beneficial to both fighters and sponsors
@@Darkgale69 Francis addresses this in the video. He says the UFC should simply review, and have the ability to veto sponsors if they don't align with the UFC brand.
@@Darkgale69That sounds like the dumb argument Dana made a while ago. Doesn't UFC have condom sponsors, alcohol sponsors, and gambling sponsors? Isn't Logan Paul a major UFC sponsor through Prime? How could any fighters sponsors be that bad? The only thing UFC is missing is adult companies... and we'll have to give that some time to see what happens lol Even then, UFC could give restrictions to the types of sponsors they allow. But it seems like for now, if fighters want sponsors they have to shout them out during their post fight interview.
Weird how everything Francis says is calm and respectful, still doesn't trash Dana or the UFC and frankly, it all just adds up! Meanwhile, Dana trashes ANYONE that even just sees out their contract and makes manic accusations on their way out that make no sense... 🤔
that's damn right! dana starts spittin and sputtering trying to get his words out and then either doesn't make sense or contradicts himself cuz he knows they do their fighters dirty af SMFH. then he'll say some shit about fighting for pride or the belt...as if they can't do that and make sure they don't end up broke also!
Respect to this guy. Nothing better than a serious tough man who is soft spoken, very rational, and can share emotionally charged facts with respect and as much honesty as might be prudent while swimming with understandable sharks. Have never done a deep dive on Francis and his skills and record but I'm a fan now. What a temperament and business savvy on this guy. 👍 Thanks MMA Bouts. 🙏
The most underrated thing about Francis is his IQ, this man is wicked gifted, the way he can absorbd knowledge. No one i know learn to fight different styles in such short time.
And from zero English to being able to articulate himself so clearly. Try having the same conversation with Diaz, Gaethje or any other American fighter
Love how Francis speaks like we're all sitting round a cracking fire deep in the woods, flames flickering on a circle of faces listening in wonderment.
@@gilbertoflores7397 even if they want to cash out on 1 fight that should still be on the table for UFC fighters especially if UFC gets to decide on which boxing fight that is. If it was any fight and many sure you'd have a point but having a clause in there for UFC to decide/make the offer then both the UFC and the fighter would benefit financially from the deal so not quite sure what's holding UFC back from cashing in on that unless they're scared of the fact it would devalue their champs if they all lose boxing fights
From working at a sand mine in Cameroon to being paid millions of dollars for a fight is no easy task. Francis is an absolute legend, the man is a fighter to the core if you think about it. Initially thought he was just physically gifted but the real talent lies in his heart, willing to endure and prevail at the end. Hollywood should make a movie out of it honestly.
After the first Miocic fight he was scared shitless and had one of the worst UFC matches ever vs Lewis. Now I like Francis as much as the next guy, but let's leave this "legend, fighter to the core, heart of a warrior" hype bullshit away
@@arjuken8he stumbled, doesn't mean he's not a legend. Can you imagine getting beat on by a guy like Stipe for 4 rounds and not having it effect your psyche? Ngannou got cocky, knocked down, but then regrouped and got back into the game. Even won his last MMA fight by wrestling on a bumb knee (the same as way he lost to Stipe). He was young and missed a step, doesn't mean he's not a legend.
@slayerhuh404 his boxing purse says otherwise 😂 Dana has the "independent contractor" hypnosis that the WWE has. Apparently if you convince your guys that you have a monopoly on their earning potential, they believe it. They fucked up by letting McGregor fight Mayweather 😂
i agree with him on alot of the things he was asking for. theres no reason the ufc couldnt allow fighters to have 1-2 sponsor patches on there uniforms. with the raised ppv prices champions should be receiving wayyy more than .25 cents of the increase thats insulting.
They said they offered him a 1.50. which I agree they could still offer a couple dollars more. Francis wanted more cuz there's no way he's selling a million ppv
Let's say the UFC has Rebok and Cocacola for sponsors. Rebok and Cocacola don.t want you to having your fighters promoting Nike, or Pepsi. They cut the UFC big checks for exclusive promotion. There was a clothing company named TapOut that made a lot of money through the UFC by having fighters wear thier gear. The UFC got nothing, and had no rights to TapOut. Dana learned from that mistake.
Venom pay premium bucks to ensure they are the only sponsor. As soon as fighters are allowed to use their own patches the value of the deal massively decreases. It provides a baseline guarantee for fighters at the bottom of the spectrum that may not have any sponsors. (Ofcourse they could get more but it does help certainly some!!)
So when ya hear Dana White says “the best boxers don’t fight the best boxers at times” remember how Dana White has personally BLOCKED certain HUGE FIGHTS in the UFC.
What do you even mean? The ufc needs to profit. Hid last ppv didn’t sell. Literally 300k. That’s horrible. Did he get free promotion his whole career? Free food from the pi? Free physical therapy? Free surgeries? Yes to all. Is Francis paying all the analysts and commentators? The judges? The venue fee? The cutmen refs? I’m boxing none of this stuff is free like he had it. The pfl will lose money every time fights.
He's making 10 mil to box; he was offered 8 mil to fight Jones. The UFC was WANTING Ngannou to win during his fights against Stipe. He had everything going for him and blew it with sleeper performances against Lewis. Had he beaten Jones, he would have been regarded the best fighter in the world and setup for record breaking paydays. Unless he SOMEHOW beats Fury, he's going to be in a bad spot.
@@Kgsoloman-ou6wm incorrect. He stands to make a minimum of 30 million from his mma matches in PFL. This is WITHOUT counting the money he will get from the Fury fight. Even if he loses… he won in life.
Francis is an amazing man. It's easy to get caught up in his image, being a shredded heavyweight. But the man inside is even more impressive to me. Great podcast
Ngannou's English is not great, which can make it easy to underestimate how smart he is. He comes across as a very humble, and gentle giant, but he is clearly also a man who is not easily manipulated, and knows how to stand up for himself in a mature, calm, and calculated way. I have so much respect for him.
When the negotiations were going on, all the meathead ufc "fans" were raging, calling Ngannou a coward for "avoiding" Jon. I'm glad Ngannou did his own thing. All the UFC fighters that are fine getting crumbs just because they say they are getting paid to punch someone need to realize that they deserve much more than the crumbs Dana tosses them.
The love CTE too much. Will throw some names: Dustin Porier, Gaethje, Holloway, Ortega, Oliveira, Hooker, Burns, Thompson, Strickland, Whittaker, Vettori, Anthony Smith, Blaydes, Volkov, Tuivasa
if u are smart enough, you should know employers dont want their employees to make enough money to live life rent free, those employers want you to NEED them. hence why they underpay everyone. its market manipulation 101 u guys need to wake the f up and see how rigged the system is
When has Dana EVER NOT upheld his end of the contract. He offers fights, promotes, and always pays them. If fighter can't understand the contract he/she signed... that's on them. Fighters negotiate, and willingly agree to sign the dotted line
Francis is one of the few fighters in a position who can speak out against the UFC. Others would have no where to go if they spoke out against the company.
Never really thought about it until Francis pointed it out. UFC has raised ppv prices so much during the years and the champs still get the same $1.25. $1.50, $2 for buys!
@@jonathanhall9726Lmao if those guys are “boring” maybe the ufc as a whole is really the boring company lmao imagine calling knock out artists like Francis a boring draw sounds like a consumer problem lol
@@RT-qz5ciwhat kinda stats are you pulling. Ngannou is a big dude who was able to improve his technical skills but other than his popularity he’s just another heavyweight fighter. There’s tons of other fighters heavyweight or otherwise that should be allowed to negotiate their contracts, it shouldn’t only be allowed for “special” fighters lmao
@@WastePlace i think you misunderstood what i was saying. I agree with you. Im saying the UFC could have easily given francis what he wanted and they should have. Their main concern was never really valid. Im all for the fighters getting paid, all of them
@@RT-qz5ciyou are a sheep 🐑 that why DW says it’s impossible and you believe it I think Francis have prove that it’s possible Hey, Mike Perry is getting his last laugh 😂😂😂😂 Still think ufc is the only game in town little bruh?
We're getting one side of the story, professor. I'm not saying he's lying or defending Dana white but this is only one perspective. Yell need to chill out.
@@sooperd00p Do the math yourself and then comment again. Him getting 1.875% of the PPV revenue, while being the main fight of the night, is crazy!!! That probably means less than 20% of the PPV revenue is going to the fighters.
@@sooperd00p dana shills like u never cease to amase me. Do the math corporations will always try to shaft employees if they can. Their goal is to make as much profit as possible. Their goal is not to be good people.
Francis is too smart for his own good, he has incredible business sense I commend him for that immensely! I hope nothing but the best for the big guy and his family.
I have never seen such capable, fierce, giant of a man be so soft and inviting. His smile and his speech cadence are disarming you forget he could literally rip off your arms and beat you to death if he wanted to and there is nothing you could do to stop him.
"rip off your arms and beat you to death" LOL that's why humans made spears, then bows & arrows then guns.... don't forget that reality bites HARD on the foolish....
Jones/Francis was not really a super fight. Silva/Jones is a ridiculous mismatch of epic proportions. Cormier Silva went exactly as expected. As for RJJ, only complete morons like watching these MMA fighters get their asses kicked by boxers.
If you listen to the whole interview, the PFL is willing to allow Francis to fight Jon Jones in the UFC while he's still in the PFL. It's up to Dana to allow that to happen.
Respect to Ngannou. I work in the corporate world and I see people getting taken of advantage of so many times, just based on what people perceive them to be. Ngannou is slept on in regards to his business awareness. They hear his accent and perceive him to be unintelligent because of a "language barrier", but if you just listen to him for a couple of minutes and pay attention, it's VERY CLEAR that he his much more than a fighter. His business sense is very impressive as well.
He literally couldn't sell a ppv to save his life. Given his look, fighting style, and accomplishments he probably had the worst branding in all of UFC. The guy got a great opportunity and took a risk which appears to be paying off, but lets not act like this guy is Conor McGregor. Sell some ppvs first.
@@justso-gr3jj Conor couldn't break his contract with the UFC. The UFC aka Zuffa co-promoted his boxing match. That was the biggest payday the UFC ever had. They would love to shovel another pile of crap like that to the braindead masses.
@@jesses5463honestly I don’t get why, Francis was a fucking specimen and his run was shocking…people getting folded left right and centre from non technical punches, almost no one could do shit to him despite his lack of experience. Then the rematch with stipe, ngannou could have gone on to be the best heavyweight in history with an insane story to match his skills/genetics. This version of Francis doesn’t get people interested? I suppose if he got purple hair and started talking non-stop shit he would get more of the blinded casual fan base involved. Anyone who was an actual fan of the sport never missed an ngannou fight because your witnessing greatness and a potential death 😂
UFC pays fighters 15% of there revenue. It is the worst payout by a mile compared to other sports organizations. NBA gives its players 55% of there revenue
basicaly fighters do all the work or the hard work, and get scraps for it, its like you work for a company, you make majority of the work that provides that big sum of $$$ but in the end all you get is scraps for it. thats exactly why not only fighters but workers/employees need to demand more.
They have ruined the UFC with crap like this. Fighters getting paid 20k for a UFC fight is crazy and that would never slide in the NFL, NBA, MLB, etc. Sport is dying because of greed.
False. It’s the same in other sports. The minimum salary for NFL is $750k, and that’s for the entire year. After paying the highest bracket of taxes, agents, personal expenses, etc. those players are also scraping by. The UFC’s annual revenue is $1B/year while the NFL’s annual revenue is $10B/year. I’m not saying UFC fighters shouldn’t get paid (they should). But comparing them to other sports is a terrible argument.
@@reesingu964also NFL players perform sooo many times a year. But fighters, especially heavyweights, fight twice a year if that… Francis is just greedy.
Woah woah woah ! Dana needs another 1.4 million dollar samurai sword in his man cave. Let's chill. Dana can't keep playing 600,000 dollar black jack hands if people start talking outta pocket
I think the reason the ufc can justify the only very small uptick in ppv points given to fighters, while having increased the cost of ppv so much, is because their business model has shifted away from ppv and towards television deals. We don’t often see them, but in many markets, tv stations pay big bucks to exclusively air ufc events. However, I also think that the ufc made this shift in part to reduce the bargaining power of the fighters. In the past, a big fighter could easily calculate their value to the company. Now a lot of that value is hidden in these TV contracts.
idiotic. its a single event and the only question is how to split the money between entertainers and management. only ufc is so broken that the athletes get peanuts. and the mma fans are just beyond stupid.
Tremendous respect for ngannou. He bet on himself and won and now has leverage in boxing and mma to negotiate with the top prize fighters. I’m surprised that more of the top ufc fighters haven’t taken a similar route. Their careers fighting at a championship level are very short. They are talent and the ufc continues to exploit them paying pennies on the dollar.
@@LorenzoGalassi1it is absurdly low when you consider most of the people buying his PPVs are because of the attention Francis's name brings edit: *_please forgive my ignorance I thought people gave af about the guy 😞_*
Francis is 100% right on the sponsorships, and it isn't just him who's said it Brendan Schaub, Mark Hunt and others have too. That Reebok deal was and is criminal, just simply Dana seeing fighters making money that he wanted I don't care what way they spin it. And it is the biggest joke that after they took away the fighters ability to have sponsors, they then covered the octagon in them. So they literally took the Reebok money, and then money from some of the companies that sponsored fighters. Here, take pennies on the dollar from this deal that we're making way more on, oh and we'll also have your sponsors thanks. That is called having your cake, and eating it too. Honestly, sponsored shorts looked way cooler anyway. It added to the raw, renegade feel the company had back then. I still love it and part of me always will, but I can't lie there was something about it back then that the corporate slick outfit they are now just doesn't have, and removing the sponsorships was a part of it. Truly a golden era, that we'll likely never see any resemblence of again.
Good on you Francis. He knew his worth and fought for it. $1.25 ppv revenue on an $80 cost is insane... should be double that at $2.25 with a $0.25 if it hits lets say 750k buys, so he earns based on how well the fight is promoted and does at the ppv box office
@@jamescaleb9676 Good Point, but they’re actually paying the undercard as well when it’s a PPV fight, so they’ll not only be paying for their team and camp but they’ll also be paying for everyone else on the card. The headline A side owns the show and pays out. They will still be left with a good percentage, more than 2% anyway.
@@DavidBenidorm undercard fighters in every sport get peanuts. the main event fighters get at least 50% of revenue. the level of abuse in mma is just unbelievable.
People forget they have to pay to rent the Arena for 1 night hire people to build the ring pay the camera man the production team pay a doctor to come ,pay announcers security, people that that stamp ur tickets, pay refs pay judges pay all the fighters in the prelims and undercard and your opponent , pay ring card girls ,pay city taxes pay the commission pay construction workers to put up the lights that go above the ring there’s a lot of money that’s being spent to make the event and the ufc needs to make a profit to
Funny reading the comments here when few months ago fans were saying how stupid, greedy, and scared he was. Social media really shines a light on mob mentality and ignorance. I held no opinion on the matter either way because I am not privy to any negotiations, relationships with the parties involved. yet, fickle fans held strong opinions as if they were in the know. Glad Francis is able to share his side.
Francis was smart. He bet on himself and his well being. If IFC isn’t gonna give him a proper bag, cross the street. Really wanted that Jones vs Ngannou though. I seriously believe Ngannou would’ve given Jones a run for his money.
@@forrestedmountains7081if we learned anything from his second stipe fight, his take down defense improved, and all he had to do was touch stipe to compromise him. I could see Jones shooting, Francis defending, and after a few punches from Francis, Jones would be rethinking his strategy.
Francis is alot stronger than Gane which was very clear in their fight so despite Jones being a better wrestler it´s not going to be as easy as Gane was for him and it´s just as likely that Francis hits Jones with power he´s never felt before and puts him out cold.. thats kind of the X factor you get with Francis that he can literally turn anybodys lights off... thats why everybody wants to see it.@@forrestedmountains7081
No one is believing that Joe Rogan doesn’t know this was happening at the UFC. This guy has never really advocated for fighters in any meaningful way. I am glad Ngannou had the balls no one has in the UFC to leave and prove that he can make all the money outside the UFC.
Ehh, most in the UFC can't get a fight with Tyson Fury. Also, many are offered more money in the UFC than Ngannou. This is a perfect storm of a fighter not being worth much to the UFC but also being able to command top dollars from another MMA organization and the potential for a big money boxing match. What other UFC fighters fit that description?
I agree, its crazy to me that Joe doesn't say it publicly. Dana is a good friend to Joe so it makes sense but it also shows he doesn't give AF about fighters.
@@MrOutPerform he wouldn’t be having Francis on discussing contract negotiations if that was the case, he’d have told him before the podcast started not to mention contract negotiations plus he’s been advocating for more weight classes so fighters can stop killing themselves trying to make weight. He obviously knows how the contracts work but he’s asking questions and playing dumb for the audience that doesn’t know.
All the people saying that was a good pay and Francis shouldn't have left, please look up the breakdown of a fighter's paycheck. Recently, some UFC fighter that fought in Australia recently broke down his 50k$ paycheck. After taxes to Australia, additional income tax, airline tickets, coaching and gym fees, he was left with 10-15k$. Hospital fees or whatever not included. They are basically fighting for free and idk why you guys would stick up for Dana White of all people? Fighters deserve more pay.
I think the best option for both parties is to allow personal sponsorship with the UFC taking 10-15% percent of the money, but cap it at 3 or 4 sponsors. This is allow there to be competition to sign the biggest stars, increasing the worth of each sponsor. UFC gets a little cut, and fighters accept it because of how large the sponsors are
the legal costs of organizing all of that would already not make it profitable i guess... think of all the parties involved. There would be endless negotiations and i guarantee some fighters would lose their mind thinking they get an unfair deal, they would probably go crazy and destroy the conference room. And do you really think the fighters would see any of the money? It would all go straight to their manager, who would have an easy time exploiting the fighter since he makes the sponsorship arrangement
@@nesletchimaew9209 perhaps, but that scenario is far better than 0 sponsors. And I think a good example is football ⚽️ as they allow personal sponsors, with club sponsors. Not the exact same, but similar
@@azr_Ħ so in football they all wear the same jersey but they have personal boot deals because they need personalized boots. Other than that it's the same as the ufc
Why would he be involved in dealmaking with the fighters? Like seriously how does it relate to his commentating job and how would the UFC benefit from him being looped in
@@dahui58 sorry, im not claiming he has some insider information (which he probably does as a UFC commentator but thays brsides the point) but rather hes smart enough and heard enough fighters talk about the pay issue and figured out for himself what ngannou was saying. He orob didnt know the exact value ofc but he knew ngannou wouldve been cheaped out fkr him to leVe
@@kevinyunseokim8194 fair enough, tbf this sort of negotiation occurs in most contracts/jobs etc. Anyone probably would know UFC would try and pay as low as they can get away with. But yeah Joe probably has more of an idea on it than the average.... joe
Francis appears to be a man of his word. I love how he said it was not so much just the amount (on the ppv) ) it was more about the proportion UFC goes from 60-80 & only gives.25 to the fighter. Then obviously after he decides to leave they say you can have everything & back pay too..Obviously it shows you’ve been very unfair. Very disrespectful to a major attraction for the UFC. Greed is ridiculous-these guys are breaking limbs- AND its not like the UFC is struggling!
My heart sank when Francis described his meeting with that guy Hunter. They are playing the fighters for fools. Hunter is worth over 50 million. Taking advantage of young naive guys that just want to fight. They don't know any better and when they are grow and learn-it will be too late for them-and the UFC will have already used them for $$. Best wishes to Frances. Can't wait to buy his PPV!
Taking advantage of workers is literally what every business does in America. Nobody starts a business to make workers happy as opposed to making profit. The fact people are outraged at this like it isn’t the norm is nuts
I'm really hoping the lawsuit going against the UFC succeeds and fighters get their due. They always short change them and give them unfavorable deals, but the mother company has enough money to buy WWE. Absolutely ridiculous stuff!
Start your own promotion and pay the fighters how you think they should be paid........ I just love how people wanna tell other people how to run their business. Francis doesn't like the contract, so he's not fighting.... A contract is between two people......
@@learningcurve3212 This,I think ngannou should run a fighting promotion because he have the 'business mindset',why he go bitching about dana,equal pay and shit,ufc pathway to these fighters to become popular,tv time,appear in movies,sponsorship elsewhere.
@learningcurve3212 That logic is beyond terrible. You could justify people working for nothing with that. The UFC just needs to allow independent sponsors which they should already. Its already been mentioned that stopping fighters from having sponsors is a shady area of law since the fighters are considered as independent contractors.
LOL. Dude hasn’t stepped foot in a ring or cage, and hasn’t received a single dollar for a fight yet. Just wait dude, this comment will age hilariously
@@Joshpower57that is a distorted argument because he's only making that much due to the size of Tyson Fury's name (which is also why the promotions agreed to it). Francis is a shit marketer, if he invests that purse into a solid marketing team, with his abilities he could command a lot more.
Not a company man. He is the company but being a billionaire is not enough. Rogan said that when Dana gambles, he bets millions. That comes at the expense of the fighters, Dana rips them off.
The UFC went balls to the wall promotionally for Francis leading up to first Stipe fight when he wasted his chance at being the poster boy. Dana White never forgave him
The only thing that bothered me about Francis leaving is there is literally no interesting heavyweight MMA fights for him outside of the UFC. And I watch all the organizations. Most of them or washed up or just garbage. Who is there? The one big Russian guy in ONEFC. That’s legitimately the only interesting match up.
Now he's going to make probably triple the money in one boxing match then his entire UFC career 😮 good for him he deserves it UFC is trash for how they treat and pay there fighters the people who make them all of their money 💰 smh
The UFC crams advertisements all over the PPVs and the octagon but fighters can’t have a patch or two to make extra. What’s crazy is that the fighters can make way more money and the UFC didn’t even have to pay.
Ngannou's English is not great, which can make it easy to underestimate how smart he is. He comes across as a very humble, and gentle giant, but he is clearly also a man who is not easily manipulated, and knows how to stand up for himself in a mature, calm, and calculated way. I have so much respect for him.
His English is good, his,native language is French. Its hard to get a rid of the french accent in English especially when you started learning it only a few years ago. What languages do you speak ?
$1.50 per pay per view when the UFC sell 1+million pay per views he’s making $1,500,000 just on that alone. Not to mention show and win money plus outside endorsements. Assuming $500,000 show and $500,000 win. He’s bringing in $2,500,000 not counting outside endorsements for 12 weeks of hard training to prepare for 1-5 rounds of fighting. That’s great money… but I do see the argument where these guys want to make double that because of how tough this professional is on their body and minds.
That's a lot of dough indeed, but his main issue is knowing the PPV earnings of Jones, Conor, and Izzy. They make at least 10 million each, so that's why he found the Deal disrespectful.
Every body doesn’t sell1 million paper views and 1.50 as the champ is definitely a slap in the face
His outside endorsements should have no factor in what the UFC pays him/ or his UFC contract. His outside endorsements are what his management team works to get him and they take a pretty healthy cut of it too.
@@MMABoutsOfficial I didn’t know those figures were confirmed for Jones/Izzy/conor. Always been curious to know contractual details for those guys. But also to be fair conor has sold over a million PPVs and holds most of the top 10 PPV of all time with Floyd. So he’s in his own league and should be rewarded as such in my opinion. Wish ngannou was able to do the boxing fight in his deal and make 30+ million that way with them. But it looks like it all worked itself out.
@@Drizzylaflair I think if you want more than $1.50 you need to be deserving of that. You need to command the audiences to want to buy your PPV fights like o’Malley, Conor, and others do. He’s a very talented fighter with amazing knockout skills, but a lot of people aren’t too excited to pay for his fights just looking at the stats. Not sure why that is, but I guess there should be more points in the table for champions as a standard. You fight for cheap for so many years and once you wear the gold belt you should be rewarded as a UFC champion. 5% of the PPV would be $4.00. So maybe that’s the magic number at a PPv cost of $80. Hard to say
Francis is looking out for himself. You can't blame him for that. I'm with you Francis. These fighters are independent contractors. Wouldn't you want to look out for your business also?
The UFC gave him the platform to become successful. FN is the dumbest athlete of all time. He flushed hundreds of millions
UFC gave Ngannou an opportunity and look where he is at now. Dude went from shoveling sand to having a car collection with the crown jewel being a Rolls-Royce Phantom VII worth close to $500,000.
"They Offered $1.50 per $80 PPV!"
Dude acts like there isn't security crew, cameramen crew, commentary crew, octagon construction crew, etc... that also need pay
Very soft spoken and intelligent man
@@jspringer86 Okay and he fulfilled his obligations to UFC the contract was over, he is suppose to kiss Dana ass forever because of an opportunity, fuck outta here
@@jspringer86the pay deserved by all those workers are to be paid by the UFC, not Francis. An excellent employee shouldn’t be forced to pay the sick leave wages of his coworkers just to do his boss a favor, makes 0 sense to say FRANCIS is the one that should be thinking of factoring in the wage potentials of the janitors at the Stadium when he’s renegotiating his contract. Dana has a multi BILLION dollar company and openly attempts to cuck his “contractors” from finding any other streams of revenue outside of the UFC. Dana is a leech
Dana: "Boxing is dead." Also Dana: "Box with Jon Jones instead Fury." Dana White is a clown.
He never told fury to box jones he told him to fight jones in MMA……..
Also Dana: "Slap contests are the new big thing!!"
He really is a joke.
He ONLY cares about making money for his owners and I mean his "owners" literally.
He's just a pawn.
@@Ibanez527he know jon Jones will take big fat L cuz he is not that guy in boxing.
Dana's right, boxing is dead. The only boxing matches people have talked about for the last 5 years are the circus events with youtubers and retired mma fighters.
Once this fad dies out, boxing dies out with it.
@@genocidejoe and fury would take a big fat L in mma.. I’m not sure what your point is.
UFC saw Francis as someone incredibly profitable, an income generator who wouldn’t ask for much because he came from nothing and speaks no English.
Meanwhile Francis learns English, gets the belt and shows himself as the most intelligent fighter ever in his dealings with the promotion.
Exactly.
lets be real...noboby was buying francis ppv cards lol
I’d say he is far from the smartest. McGregor, Izzy and all the other superstars are financially a lot more stable and more popular. But atleast he is doing what he wants to do
He wasn't a big pay per view seller
If you’re a big star like Conor you get a lot of leverage.
I am amazed how a man:
- with no education is so educated
- with crazy physical presence is so calm
He also speaks three languages now! French, English & his native tongue!
He is very educated. Just not the kinda of "educated" in your sense of the word.
He got his education in real life experiences as he wanted to learn and progress and not huddle up in self-pity and defeatism. Great Fighter 💪 & Great Ambassador for the Fight Game
A man with a legit dream. Every person like ngannou do be like that
He learns those real life lessons. Some you just don’t need school to learn.
The no sponsorships deal is the biggest one. Schaub showed his receipts for the money that he got from sponsorships and it was huge. It dwarfed any purse they got. And this was Brendan Schaub, let that sink in. Imagine if this was Francis. And all because the UFC wants a bigger cut of any sponsor the fighters would get.
part of it is some fighters got some pretty dumb sponsors
@@Darkgale69yeah man the ufc totally made a deal with Reebok out of concern for who the fighters were sponsored by... OK
@@Darkgale69 no excuse as so many ways around that. All the UFC would have to do is vet each sponsor or set up some type of affiliate programme for companies to sponsor their fighters at least. The ufc could put so many rules in place for sponsors and it would still be beneficial to both fighters and sponsors
@@Darkgale69 Francis addresses this in the video. He says the UFC should simply review, and have the ability to veto sponsors if they don't align with the UFC brand.
@@Darkgale69That sounds like the dumb argument Dana made a while ago. Doesn't UFC have condom sponsors, alcohol sponsors, and gambling sponsors? Isn't Logan Paul a major UFC sponsor through Prime? How could any fighters sponsors be that bad? The only thing UFC is missing is adult companies... and we'll have to give that some time to see what happens lol
Even then, UFC could give restrictions to the types of sponsors they allow. But it seems like for now, if fighters want sponsors they have to shout them out during their post fight interview.
Weird how everything Francis says is calm and respectful, still doesn't trash Dana or the UFC and frankly, it all just adds up! Meanwhile, Dana trashes ANYONE that even just sees out their contract and makes manic accusations on their way out that make no sense... 🤔
Of course because he will say and do what makes him and the ufc the most money.
How us Africans are
Is a business as a man you should never bring your emotions and Ego in a business meeting.
One has good belief set. The other tries to control narratvie
that's damn right! dana starts spittin and sputtering trying to get his words out and then either doesn't make sense or contradicts himself cuz he knows they do their fighters dirty af SMFH. then he'll say some shit about fighting for pride or the belt...as if they can't do that and make sure they don't end up broke also!
Respect to this guy. Nothing better than a serious tough man who is soft spoken, very rational, and can share emotionally charged facts with respect and as much honesty as might be prudent while swimming with understandable sharks.
Have never done a deep dive on Francis and his skills and record but I'm a fan now.
What a temperament and business savvy on this guy. 👍
Thanks MMA Bouts. 🙏
True gentleman
The most underrated thing about Francis is his IQ, this man is wicked gifted, the way he can absorbd knowledge. No one i know learn to fight different styles in such short time.
And from zero English to being able to articulate himself so clearly. Try having the same conversation with Diaz, Gaethje or any other American fighter
People say that but in every clip about him I see tons of comments saying how smart he is so I don't think its underrated
Love how Francis speaks like we're all sitting round a cracking fire deep in the woods, flames flickering on a circle of faces listening in wonderment.
Thats a rich description of the power of whispers friendo
Francis could have a solid career doing audio books if he wanted.
@@dfpguitar eh if it was an African story sure, otherwise it would be weird listening to him narrate a random story
I feel that man. Hes a real human. Hes been through some real stuff
@@dfpguitarhaha love that idea
Dana White says Boxing is Dead but ALL His fighters want to fight Boxers in a boxing ring.
Let that sink in…
They want to cash out with the one fight that'll make them a lot of money. If they fought some regular guys, they'd make much than you think.
If he paid his fighters professional sports salaries it wouldn’t matter.
All his fighters? Really? ALL of them?
@@gilbertoflores7397 even if they want to cash out on 1 fight that should still be on the table for UFC fighters especially if UFC gets to decide on which boxing fight that is. If it was any fight and many sure you'd have a point but having a clause in there for UFC to decide/make the offer then both the UFC and the fighter would benefit financially from the deal so not quite sure what's holding UFC back from cashing in on that unless they're scared of the fact it would devalue their champs if they all lose boxing fights
He also watches boxing matches cage side lol..Dana is full of shit
From working at a sand mine in Cameroon to being paid millions of dollars for a fight is no easy task. Francis is an absolute legend, the man is a fighter to the core if you think about it. Initially thought he was just physically gifted but the real talent lies in his heart, willing to endure and prevail at the end. Hollywood should make a movie out of it honestly.
After the first Miocic fight he was scared shitless and had one of the worst UFC matches ever vs Lewis. Now I like Francis as much as the next guy, but let's leave this "legend, fighter to the core, heart of a warrior" hype bullshit away
@@arjuken8he stumbled, doesn't mean he's not a legend. Can you imagine getting beat on by a guy like Stipe for 4 rounds and not having it effect your psyche? Ngannou got cocky, knocked down, but then regrouped and got back into the game. Even won his last MMA fight by wrestling on a bumb knee (the same as way he lost to Stipe). He was young and missed a step, doesn't mean he's not a legend.
Seems like his true power is not understanding how a business is run and destroying his earning potential in the process.
@slayerhuh404 his boxing purse says otherwise 😂 Dana has the "independent contractor" hypnosis that the WWE has. Apparently if you convince your guys that you have a monopoly on their earning potential, they believe it. They fucked up by letting McGregor fight Mayweather 😂
Imagine being offered 1.8% for your effort and people thinking thats a heck of a deal🤦♂
What do you think it costs to promote a fight a create a PPV event?
i agree with him on alot of the things he was asking for. theres no reason the ufc couldnt allow fighters to have 1-2 sponsor patches on there uniforms. with the raised ppv prices champions should be receiving wayyy more than .25 cents of the increase thats insulting.
There is a reason, but the UFC has the answer. It most likely boils down to money/power, at its root.
They said they offered him a 1.50. which I agree they could still offer a couple dollars more. Francis wanted more cuz there's no way he's selling a million ppv
Let's say the UFC has Rebok and Cocacola for sponsors. Rebok and Cocacola don.t want you to having your fighters promoting Nike, or Pepsi. They cut the UFC big checks for exclusive promotion. There was a clothing company named TapOut that made a lot of money through the UFC by having fighters wear thier gear. The UFC got nothing, and had no rights to TapOut. Dana learned from that mistake.
@davidkunkle3262 Yeah, Jon vs. Francis wouldn't have sold a million 🤡
Venom pay premium bucks to ensure they are the only sponsor. As soon as fighters are allowed to use their own patches the value of the deal massively decreases. It provides a baseline guarantee for fighters at the bottom of the spectrum that may not have any sponsors. (Ofcourse they could get more but it does help certainly some!!)
Francis Ngannou vs. Jon Jones would have been awesome. The UFC was absurd.
Francis would have lost like Gane
@@chiquita683don't think so homie
The ufc prefer to loose money rather than let fighters make with ufc as team .
So when ya hear Dana White says “the best boxers don’t fight the best boxers at times” remember how Dana White has personally BLOCKED certain HUGE FIGHTS in the UFC.
@@izqwiz1746He'd put up more of a fight than Gane but Jones would definitely win imo
I really like Ngannou. His story and where he came from to where he is today is amazing!!
Aged like fine wine
The finest of wines lol
So happy for Francis! I hope people realize how dirty the UFC was trying to do him....and still doing to fighters 😢
What do you even mean? The ufc needs to profit. Hid last ppv didn’t sell. Literally 300k. That’s horrible. Did he get free promotion his whole career? Free food from the pi? Free physical therapy? Free surgeries? Yes to all. Is Francis paying all the analysts and commentators? The judges? The venue fee? The cutmen refs? I’m boxing none of this stuff is free like he had it. The pfl will lose money every time fights.
He's making 10 mil to box; he was offered 8 mil to fight Jones. The UFC was WANTING Ngannou to win during his fights against Stipe. He had everything going for him and blew it with sleeper performances against Lewis. Had he beaten Jones, he would have been regarded the best fighter in the world and setup for record breaking paydays. Unless he SOMEHOW beats Fury, he's going to be in a bad spot.
@@Kgsoloman-ou6wm incorrect. He stands to make a minimum of 30 million from his mma matches in PFL. This is WITHOUT counting the money he will get from the Fury fight. Even if he loses… he won in life.
@@brandonsalinas2821acting like the UFC is barely making a profit is straight comedy 😂😂😂😂 thanks for that sir
@@Kgsoloman-ou6wmI agree, And he won't beat Fury, that's for sure.
Francis is an amazing man. It's easy to get caught up in his image, being a shredded heavyweight. But the man inside is even more impressive to me. Great podcast
Relaaaax .christ..😂
Francis is the man!
@@topshelfgully7120dudes getting excited
Ngannou's English is not great, which can make it easy to underestimate how smart he is. He comes across as a very humble, and gentle giant, but he is clearly also a man who is not easily manipulated, and knows how to stand up for himself in a mature, calm, and calculated way. I have so much respect for him.
@@syncmonism he's plenty intelligent and humble
Corporations hate it when employees start being capitalistic
He went to a boxing match and just made 10 millions!! Bravo Francis!!
When the negotiations were going on, all the meathead ufc "fans" were raging, calling Ngannou a coward for "avoiding" Jon. I'm glad Ngannou did his own thing. All the UFC fighters that are fine getting crumbs just because they say they are getting paid to punch someone need to realize that they deserve much more than the crumbs Dana tosses them.
you can't help fools, though
Pretty much hit the nail on the head bud
The love CTE too much. Will throw some names: Dustin Porier, Gaethje, Holloway, Ortega, Oliveira, Hooker, Burns, Thompson, Strickland, Whittaker, Vettori, Anthony Smith, Blaydes, Volkov, Tuivasa
The more I hear about UFC contracts, the more I feel like Dana is intentionally trying to prevent them from making money
if u are smart enough, you should know employers dont want their employees to make enough money to live life rent free, those employers want you to NEED them. hence why they underpay everyone. its market manipulation 101 u guys need to wake the f up and see how rigged the system is
Of course, gotta keep fighting
Slavery
He is. He has said it multiple times
When has Dana EVER NOT upheld his end of the contract. He offers fights, promotes, and always pays them. If fighter can't understand the contract he/she signed... that's on them.
Fighters negotiate, and willingly agree to sign the dotted line
Francis is one of the few fighters in a position who can speak out against the UFC. Others would have no where to go if they spoke out against the company.
Honest young man, this Mr. Ngannou. I wish him all the best.
Never really thought about it until Francis pointed it out. UFC has raised ppv prices so much during the years and the champs still get the same $1.25. $1.50, $2 for buys!
Don’t be a boring draw
@@jonathanhall9726Lmao if those guys are “boring” maybe the ufc as a whole is really the boring company lmao imagine calling knock out artists like Francis a boring draw sounds like a consumer problem lol
@@jonathanhall9726 Boring draws get fewer buys, what does that have to do with $ per buy…?
@@jonathanhall972620% didtrubted minimum for the main card fighters or all fights for supercards
$2 per pay preview is crazy I can't believe that that's an insult
The UFC couldn’t give in to his demands because it would open the doors for all other fighters to change the system as well, Good for Francis
Ehhh, thats what they say. But 99% of the roster can’t do what francis does. So they can’t really ask for the same thing
@@RT-qz5cifighters dont need to fight like Francis. They just have to be decent enough that companies wanna sponsor them.
@@RT-qz5ciwhat kinda stats are you pulling. Ngannou is a big dude who was able to improve his technical skills but other than his popularity he’s just another heavyweight fighter. There’s tons of other fighters heavyweight or otherwise that should be allowed to negotiate their contracts, it shouldn’t only be allowed for “special” fighters lmao
@@WastePlace i think you misunderstood what i was saying. I agree with you. Im saying the UFC could have easily given francis what he wanted and they should have. Their main concern was never really valid. Im all for the fighters getting paid, all of them
@@RT-qz5ciyou are a sheep 🐑 that why
DW says it’s impossible and you believe it
I think Francis have prove that it’s possible
Hey, Mike Perry is getting his last laugh 😂😂😂😂
Still think ufc is the only game in town little bruh?
Dana making Don King look like a good guy 🤣
He's a very calculated and smart guy.
We're getting one side of the story, professor. I'm not saying he's lying or defending Dana white but this is only one perspective. Yell need to chill out.
Nobody really needs to listen to anything Dana has to say. @@sooperd00p
@@sooperd00p Do the math yourself and then comment again. Him getting 1.875% of the PPV revenue, while being the main fight of the night, is crazy!!! That probably means less than 20% of the PPV revenue is going to the fighters.
@@sooperd00p You are defending Dana, like the typical coperate shill, you lot are shameless.
@@sooperd00p dana shills like u never cease to amase me. Do the math corporations will always try to shaft employees if they can. Their goal is to make as much profit as possible. Their goal is not to be good people.
Francis’s biceps are literally the size of a normal humans head. Looking at them is crazy 😂😂😂😂
I can’t unsee it now lol!
😂😂😂you'd swear there's synthol in them
Yeah...I thought 'What are those enormous things hanging on his arm?' 'Oh, they're biceps!'
@@NM21375for real, can’t imagine how big they are when he flexes 😂
Francis is too smart for his own good, he has incredible business sense I commend him for that immensely! I hope nothing but the best for the big guy and his family.
man he sounds so gentle 😂
I have never seen such capable, fierce, giant of a man be so soft and inviting. His smile and his speech cadence are disarming you forget he could literally rip off your arms and beat you to death if he wanted to and there is nothing you could do to stop him.
You could shit your pants......Predators often lose interest when their pray defecates....
"rip off your arms and beat you to death" LOL that's why humans made spears, then bows & arrows then guns.... don't forget that reality bites HARD on the foolish....
Alot of us Africans are gentle giants.
He isn't the sharpest tool in the shed
Ask him out for a date?
"After 99 dinners with Francis I still have no idea why he will not sing the new contract" Dana
"He doesn't want to fight"-Dana (about anyone who won't sign one of his bullshit contracts)
@yusuf8938 and then all of dana's little minion fans believe him lol dana could say the sky the green and they would believe him.
At one stage I was a huge McGrgeor fan now I've come full circle and watch every video of Ngannou on YT.
Pretty cool to hear how level headed Francis is. Hope nothing but the best for him
We missed all the true super fights. GSP/Silva, Silva/Jones, Silva/RJJ, and now Jones/Francis.
Jones/Francis was not really a super fight. Silva/Jones is a ridiculous mismatch of epic proportions. Cormier Silva went exactly as expected. As for RJJ, only complete morons like watching these MMA fighters get their asses kicked by boxers.
Thanks Dana
how would Silva vs RJJ be a superfight? When Silva was dominating, Roy was way past it
If you listen to the whole interview, the PFL is willing to allow Francis to fight Jon Jones in the UFC while he's still in the PFL. It's up to Dana to allow that to happen.
Couture vs Fedor
Respect to Ngannou. I work in the corporate world and I see people getting taken of advantage of so many times, just based on what people perceive them to be. Ngannou is slept on in regards to his business awareness. They hear his accent and perceive him to be unintelligent because of a "language barrier", but if you just listen to him for a couple of minutes and pay attention, it's VERY CLEAR that he his much more than a fighter. His business sense is very impressive as well.
Especially considering this dude was literally in the mine till he was like 20 with no formal education
He literally couldn't sell a ppv to save his life. Given his look, fighting style, and accomplishments he probably had the worst branding in all of UFC. The guy got a great opportunity and took a risk which appears to be paying off, but lets not act like this guy is Conor McGregor. Sell some ppvs first.
hes a knockout machine, what more do you want?@@jesses5463
@@justso-gr3jj Conor couldn't break his contract with the UFC. The UFC aka Zuffa co-promoted his boxing match. That was the biggest payday the UFC ever had. They would love to shovel another pile of crap like that to the braindead masses.
@@jesses5463honestly I don’t get why, Francis was a fucking specimen and his run was shocking…people getting folded left right and centre from non technical punches, almost no one could do shit to him despite his lack of experience. Then the rematch with stipe, ngannou could have gone on to be the best heavyweight in history with an insane story to match his skills/genetics.
This version of Francis doesn’t get people interested? I suppose if he got purple hair and started talking non-stop shit he would get more of the blinded casual fan base involved. Anyone who was an actual fan of the sport never missed an ngannou fight because your witnessing greatness and a potential death 😂
This man fights sharks in and out of the ring. What a legend.
This guy is so calm and so nice
UFC pays fighters 15% of there revenue. It is the worst payout by a mile compared to other sports organizations. NBA gives its players 55% of there revenue
basicaly fighters do all the work or the hard work, and get scraps for it, its like you work for a company, you make majority of the work that provides that big sum of $$$ but in the end all you get is scraps for it. thats exactly why not only fighters but workers/employees need to demand more.
Their *
Prove it
How the nba still exists is shocking
Worst thing is that Dana wastes all that money gambling and it’s stupid
They have ruined the UFC with crap like this. Fighters getting paid 20k for a UFC fight is crazy and that would never slide in the NFL, NBA, MLB, etc. Sport is dying because of greed.
The world is dying from greed, it’s everywhere lol
False. It’s the same in other sports. The minimum salary for NFL is $750k, and that’s for the entire year. After paying the highest bracket of taxes, agents, personal expenses, etc. those players are also scraping by. The UFC’s annual revenue is $1B/year while the NFL’s annual revenue is $10B/year.
I’m not saying UFC fighters shouldn’t get paid (they should). But comparing them to other sports is a terrible argument.
@@reesingu964also NFL players perform sooo many times a year. But fighters, especially heavyweights, fight twice a year if that… Francis is just greedy.
Woah woah woah ! Dana needs another 1.4 million dollar samurai sword in his man cave. Let's chill. Dana can't keep playing 600,000 dollar black jack hands if people start talking outta pocket
@@reesingu964 percentage of revenue NFL players get 48%, percentage UFC fighters get 18%. Pretty clear comparison.
This is so relatable to asking for a raise
This aged so well
I think the reason the ufc can justify the only very small uptick in ppv points given to fighters, while having increased the cost of ppv so much, is because their business model has shifted away from ppv and towards television deals. We don’t often see them, but in many markets, tv stations pay big bucks to exclusively air ufc events.
However, I also think that the ufc made this shift in part to reduce the bargaining power of the fighters. In the past, a big fighter could easily calculate their value to the company. Now a lot of that value is hidden in these TV contracts.
UFC doesnt control PPV price anymore, thats ESPNs fault
idiotic. its a single event and the only question is how to split the money between entertainers and management. only ufc is so broken that the athletes get peanuts. and the mma fans are just beyond stupid.
@@Darkgale69that’s what he said you idiot
Francis low key best business man.
Yes his brain is underrated
really. after he loses with fury, his value will drop by 90%
@@rb9888overstatement and he will have still made his bank anyways, and still has a future fighting in MMA, so he's won either way
@@rb9888yet that loss will make him more than an entire career in the ufc, yeah Francis definitely isn’t smart you should be his manager
@@Clustehh we will see. he reminds me of ike. let's hope he's not going to end like him
Can’t stop looking at Francis’ left arm, looks like a volleyball for a bicep.. ❤
Tremendous respect for ngannou. He bet on himself and won and now has leverage in boxing and mma to negotiate with the top prize fighters. I’m surprised that more of the top ufc fighters haven’t taken a similar route. Their careers fighting at a championship level are very short. They are talent and the ufc continues to exploit them paying pennies on the dollar.
I can see his point. They raised prices by a third but only payout by 20% $1.67 per buy shouldn’t be too much to ask for.
That % is actually pretty solid IF it's worldwide PPV.
If it's only American they definitely could bump it etc
Pardon my ignorance, may i ask you guys why? I mean if the PPV is 80$, isn't 1.67$ absurdly low? Are the costs so high?
@@LorenzoGalassi1it is absurdly low when you consider most of the people buying his PPVs are because of the attention Francis's name brings
edit:
*_please forgive my ignorance I thought people gave af about the guy 😞_*
@@RockyBoyBalboalol when was Francis a ppv draw?
@@RockyBoyBalboa But Francis did not pull PPV numbers
Biceps crazy
Francis is 100% right on the sponsorships, and it isn't just him who's said it Brendan Schaub, Mark Hunt and others have too. That Reebok deal was and is criminal, just simply Dana seeing fighters making money that he wanted I don't care what way they spin it. And it is the biggest joke that after they took away the fighters ability to have sponsors, they then covered the octagon in them. So they literally took the Reebok money, and then money from some of the companies that sponsored fighters. Here, take pennies on the dollar from this deal that we're making way more on, oh and we'll also have your sponsors thanks. That is called having your cake, and eating it too. Honestly, sponsored shorts looked way cooler anyway. It added to the raw, renegade feel the company had back then. I still love it and part of me always will, but I can't lie there was something about it back then that the corporate slick outfit they are now just doesn't have, and removing the sponsorships was a part of it. Truly a golden era, that we'll likely never see any resemblence of again.
Good on you Francis. He knew his worth and fought for it. $1.25 ppv revenue on an $80 cost is insane... should be double that at $2.25 with a $0.25 if it hits lets say 750k buys, so he earns based on how well the fight is promoted and does at the ppv box office
are you insane? 2.25 out of 80. in boxing the fighters get 50-60% which would be at least 40!
@@jamescaleb9676boxing is a very very different structure.
@@jamescaleb9676 Good Point, but they’re actually paying the undercard as well when it’s a PPV fight, so they’ll not only be paying for their team and camp but they’ll also be paying for everyone else on the card. The headline A side owns the show and pays out. They will still be left with a good percentage, more than 2% anyway.
@@DavidBenidorm undercard fighters in every sport get peanuts. the main event fighters get at least 50% of revenue. the level of abuse in mma is just unbelievable.
People forget they have to pay to rent the Arena for 1 night hire people to build the ring pay the camera man the production team pay a doctor to come ,pay announcers security, people that that stamp ur tickets, pay refs pay judges pay all the fighters in the prelims and undercard and your opponent , pay ring card girls ,pay city taxes pay the commission pay construction workers to put up the lights that go above the ring there’s a lot of money that’s being spent to make the event and the ufc needs to make a profit to
Funny reading the comments here when few months ago fans were saying how stupid, greedy, and scared he was. Social media really shines a light on mob mentality and ignorance. I held no opinion on the matter either way because I am not privy to any negotiations, relationships with the parties involved. yet, fickle fans held strong opinions as if they were in the know. Glad Francis is able to share his side.
@TuckerWittenberg 🤔
Well spoken -- Sanity is a VIRTUE!!
Most people are fkd. Physically, emotionally and spirituality. Fkd.
Beautifully stated.
Especially after the Jones return fight. So much shit talking
Is it me or did his english improve CRAZY since his first JRE episode?
Francis improves very fast with his fighting also everytime, he learns quick
He's been training with Mike so practicing in real-time usually helps people learn a language faster.
@@DJZ64X Mike & Teddy said the same about the boxing techniques they took time to show him as well!!
Not just you. Massive difference.
It seems like it all paid of in the end.
Francis Ngannou P4P #1 human on the world
Glad this interview happened and Francis got a chance to clear his name. Much respect, champ. I'll watch you fight wherever you go!
Francis was smart. He bet on himself and his well being. If IFC isn’t gonna give him a proper bag, cross the street. Really wanted that Jones vs Ngannou though. I seriously believe Ngannou would’ve given Jones a run for his money.
Likely Jones takes him down fight over.
Especially after a couple of key bumps
There still fighting idiot 😂
@@forrestedmountains7081if we learned anything from his second stipe fight, his take down defense improved, and all he had to do was touch stipe to compromise him. I could see Jones shooting, Francis defending, and after a few punches from Francis, Jones would be rethinking his strategy.
Francis is alot stronger than Gane which was very clear in their fight so despite Jones being a better wrestler it´s not going to be as easy as Gane was for him and it´s just as likely that Francis hits Jones with power he´s never felt before and puts him out cold.. thats kind of the X factor you get with Francis that he can literally turn anybodys lights off... thats why everybody wants to see it.@@forrestedmountains7081
His biceps are so unreal dude
was thinkin the same thing
are they bigger than usual? never saw them pop like that, training changes? or does he never wear short sleeves? its a tight shirt but still
@@marcinczapski8547 its probably the short sleeves now, but his biceps always looked big anyway.
Francis. Sounds like a librarian until you see him in person.
Am so happy for him, that he took the risk of leaving ufc and it worked out for him.
No one is believing that Joe Rogan doesn’t know this was happening at the UFC. This guy has never really advocated for fighters in any meaningful way. I am glad Ngannou had the balls no one has in the UFC to leave and prove that he can make all the money outside the UFC.
Ehh, most in the UFC can't get a fight with Tyson Fury. Also, many are offered more money in the UFC than Ngannou. This is a perfect storm of a fighter not being worth much to the UFC but also being able to command top dollars from another MMA organization and the potential for a big money boxing match. What other UFC fighters fit that description?
I agree, its crazy to me that Joe doesn't say it publicly. Dana is a good friend to Joe so it makes sense but it also shows he doesn't give AF about fighters.
@@MrOutPerform he wouldn’t be having Francis on discussing contract negotiations if that was the case, he’d have told him before the podcast started not to mention contract negotiations plus he’s been advocating for more weight classes so fighters can stop killing themselves trying to make weight. He obviously knows how the contracts work but he’s asking questions and playing dumb for the audience that doesn’t know.
Yea, I wonder why he had Francis on? 😅😂
This is one way of giving fighters the chance to tell their story. That is helping.
All the people saying that was a good pay and Francis shouldn't have left, please look up the breakdown of a fighter's paycheck. Recently, some UFC fighter that fought in Australia recently broke down his 50k$ paycheck. After taxes to Australia, additional income tax, airline tickets, coaching and gym fees, he was left with 10-15k$.
Hospital fees or whatever not included. They are basically fighting for free and idk why you guys would stick up for Dana White of all people? Fighters deserve more pay.
Any injuries that require medical attention is paid for by the UFC as long as it happened during a fight.
I'm always going to watch any/all fights for free
I think the best option for both parties is to allow personal sponsorship with the UFC taking 10-15% percent of the money, but cap it at 3 or 4 sponsors. This is allow there to be competition to sign the biggest stars, increasing the worth of each sponsor. UFC gets a little cut, and fighters accept it because of how large the sponsors are
the legal costs of organizing all of that would already not make it profitable i guess... think of all the parties involved. There would be endless negotiations and i guarantee some fighters would lose their mind thinking they get an unfair deal, they would probably go crazy and destroy the conference room. And do you really think the fighters would see any of the money? It would all go straight to their manager, who would have an easy time exploiting the fighter since he makes the sponsorship arrangement
@@nesletchimaew9209 perhaps, but that scenario is far better than 0 sponsors. And I think a good example is football ⚽️ as they allow personal sponsors, with club sponsors. Not the exact same, but similar
@@azr_Ħ so in football they all wear the same jersey but they have personal boot deals because they need personalized boots. Other than that it's the same as the ufc
rogan most likely already knew all of this. hes great at feigning ignorance, thats his job
Why would he be involved in dealmaking with the fighters? Like seriously how does it relate to his commentating job and how would the UFC benefit from him being looped in
@@dahui58 sorry, im not claiming he has some insider information (which he probably does as a UFC commentator but thays brsides the point) but rather hes smart enough and heard enough fighters talk about the pay issue and figured out for himself what ngannou was saying. He orob didnt know the exact value ofc but he knew ngannou wouldve been cheaped out fkr him to leVe
@@kevinyunseokim8194 fair enough, tbf this sort of negotiation occurs in most contracts/jobs etc. Anyone probably would know UFC would try and pay as low as they can get away with. But yeah Joe probably has more of an idea on it than the average.... joe
Bro, don't talk reckless without any proof. That's so wrong on your part.
@@DogWater2011 swallow a load
Francis appears to be a man of his word. I love how he said it was not so much just the amount (on the ppv) ) it was more about the proportion UFC goes from 60-80 & only gives.25 to the fighter. Then obviously after he decides to leave they say you can have everything & back pay too..Obviously it shows you’ve been very unfair. Very disrespectful to a major attraction for the UFC. Greed is ridiculous-these guys are breaking limbs- AND its not like the UFC is struggling!
Thank you for speeding up this video
Thank God for the competition
My heart sank when Francis described his meeting with that guy Hunter. They are playing the fighters for fools.
Hunter is worth over 50 million. Taking advantage of young naive guys that just want to fight. They don't know any better and when they are grow and learn-it will be too late for them-and the UFC will have already used them for $$.
Best wishes to Frances. Can't wait to buy his PPV!
Taking advantage of workers is literally what every business does in America. Nobody starts a business to make workers happy as opposed to making profit. The fact people are outraged at this like it isn’t the norm is nuts
I'm really hoping the lawsuit going against the UFC succeeds and fighters get their due. They always short change them and give them unfavorable deals, but the mother company has enough money to buy WWE. Absolutely ridiculous stuff!
Start your own promotion and pay the fighters how you think they should be paid........ I just love how people wanna tell other people how to run their business. Francis doesn't like the contract, so he's not fighting.... A contract is between two people......
@@learningcurve3212 Exactly. Also, there's other promotions they can go to if they feel the UFC isn't paying them enough.
@@learningcurve3212 This,I think ngannou should run a fighting promotion because he have the 'business mindset',why he go bitching about dana,equal pay and shit,ufc pathway to these fighters to become popular,tv time,appear in movies,sponsorship elsewhere.
Go blow Dana White behind 7/11. You couldn't run a lemonade stand.@@learningcurve3212
@learningcurve3212 That logic is beyond terrible. You could justify people working for nothing with that. The UFC just needs to allow independent sponsors which they should already. Its already been mentioned that stopping fighters from having sponsors is a shady area of law since the fighters are considered as independent contractors.
Ngannou radiating health, prosperity and happiness now
The ufc will always want the biggest slice of the pie
His bicep is about to knock me out just looking at it, Jesus!!
Probably the only guy who went against Dana White and won.
LOL. Dude hasn’t stepped foot in a ring or cage, and hasn’t received a single dollar for a fight yet. Just wait dude, this comment will age hilariously
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He's got the Tyson fury fight, if he makes 20 million off of that, he makes way more than a 8 fight deal in the ufc.
@@Joshpower57No way he’ll make that, the fight against Fury doesn’t have a hype that thought it would…
@@Joshpower57that is a distorted argument because he's only making that much due to the size of Tyson Fury's name (which is also why the promotions agreed to it). Francis is a shit marketer, if he invests that purse into a solid marketing team, with his abilities he could command a lot more.
@@SBayne762 Hes also making that much due to the size of his name and the fact that he was HW champ. People know francis.
Strong and smart. Hell of a guy right here. Rare
Dude made Jon Jones's net worth in one fight! Nuff said!
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Dana is a company man. He does what is in the best interest of the company. How can you blame Ngannou for doing the same.
Not a company man. He is the company but being a billionaire is not enough. Rogan said that when Dana gambles, he bets millions. That comes at the expense of the fighters, Dana rips them off.
Nothing but respect for this amazing guy!!!
The UFC went balls to the wall promotionally for Francis leading up to first Stipe fight when he wasted his chance at being the poster boy. Dana White never forgave him
Here after seeing his career earnings were 3-5 Million in UFC when he just reportedly took 10 Million from his fight with Fury.
The only thing that bothered me about Francis leaving is there is literally no interesting heavyweight MMA fights for him outside of the UFC. And I watch all the organizations. Most of them or washed up or just garbage. Who is there? The one big Russian guy in ONEFC. That’s legitimately the only interesting match up.
What about Braden Schaub
🤣@@Rob-J-BJJ
Malykhin, the Sweet One? Boy does that guy pack a punch. Three division champ. Too bad he'd getting a bit old, but still, such an impressive streak.
Respect to rogan as well for giving ngannou the podium to express his frustration with the ufc even though its joes bread and butter.
Thats okay he will be an actor soon. One of the villains in movies
Fighters should be able to get there own Sponsors..they earned that
Now he's going to make probably triple the money in one boxing match then his entire UFC career 😮 good for him he deserves it UFC is trash for how they treat and pay there fighters the people who make them all of their money 💰 smh
That's awesome for Francis, the UFC has arguably elevated his profile to the point where he now able to command that money
even more
Ngannou is simultaneously the most terrifying and most adorable person on the planet.
My man worked on his English and His Pronunciations Is Very Good, I Can Understand Him. Salute The Brother. God Bless Him.👊🏿
PERFECT Cuts
The UFC crams advertisements all over the PPVs and the octagon but fighters can’t have a patch or two to make extra. What’s crazy is that the fighters can make way more money and the UFC didn’t even have to pay.
It’s not about the money, but it is about the money😂
What an extremely levelheaded fighter!! amazing
I’m so happy for Francis
Uncle Daner = the Don King of MMA
Man carry’s himself like a champion should 👏
Ngannou has great business patience and analytical point of view, I'd love to listen to him speak about business more
Ngannou's English is not great, which can make it easy to underestimate how smart he is. He comes across as a very humble, and gentle giant, but he is clearly also a man who is not easily manipulated, and knows how to stand up for himself in a mature, calm, and calculated way. I have so much respect for him.
What videos are you watching ? ..... His English is very good.
His English is good, his,native language is French. Its hard to get a rid of the french accent in English especially when you started learning it only a few years ago. What languages do you speak ?
His English is excellent he speaks multiple languages. His accent is just heavy….that’s an insult even if you didn’t mean it like that
@@boristheb1ad3x67his native language is not French he’s from Cameroon 🇨🇲. He speaks Ngemba, he had to learn French and English
If boxing is dead then it should be no problem for Dana to allow Francis to box
Bro he is MASSIVE!! Look at his arms!
❌Commentator Removed: Joe Rogan
I’m behind Francis.
We couldn't see you. 🤣