FreedomFox killer?!? Those are fighting words. Bring it! 955lbs with the standard wing is like a fat chick on high heels showing up to compete in a thin ice walking contest. Factory Rotax power and the STI wing for the win! 😝
🤣 😀😀.... that fat chick lost a few pounds and with our VG setup we are but 1 knot faster on stall so it will be great to see if those extra HP can pull us through. Challenge accepted 🤪 It should be interesting to finally put the question to rest - Factory Power vs Performance Engine...😁
🤣 Meeeooooow!! Did a dead cub just get thrown out of FreedomFox? 🤣 Seriously though - it would be awesome to see the two aircraft race side-by-side ...at the home of STOL drag - in a year or so after covid blows through???
Always look forward to seeing videos from these guys in South Africa! It is AWESOME to see how Aviation lives around the WORLD. Looking forward to the Part 2 and more detail on the Edge Performance Engine!
I liked the enthusiasm as long as it’s also tempered with knowledge which you guys do. You’re not “dumbing it down” so the excitement feels genuine, and you really do know what you’re talking about.
Thanks man that really means alot! We appreciate your feedback 🔥 If you have any technical questions about the engine, please ask - well address them in part 2
Exuberance level high !!! : ) I don't care this is great stuff , off the charts entertaining .. In fact don't change a thing , keep it ripping ... Got me another must watch aviation U tube channel
I'd far rather watch this kind of a-bit-cheeky-cheesy-with-marmite-on-top, well researched over-exerberance over some of the deathly dull stuff posted as edutainment on youtube - I was still smiling and laughing at the end. Keep up the great work guys, enjoy what you get up to and thanks again for sharing all your projects :)
Good information. Aviation is serious stuff. It is also something people are passionate about. You can not expect the best results acting like you are selling specials in Home Hardware. Don't tone it down, rather try a entirely different style. You have the right stuff and I hope to see you do well.
It took me a while to get used to the exuberant presentation style, but you know what - once I did, I like it - it's almost like watching theatre, you can feel the youthful energy and passion. Ignore the naysayers, don't change a thing - it's what makes your channel unique. Subscribed - keep them coming.
Hello Riaan . Well done! If Short field ops is your favoured mission, why then the extra weight of the autopilot? Safety in case of inadvertant IF, or just a wish list? Come to the short field farm sometime... Reid
What can we boost our 914UL to chaps? We need 130bhp but only to climb up to 200ft towing a heavy 2 seat 800kg glider. Above the 500ft safe height 115bhp would be fine. I'm thinking: Tweak the existing turbo boost above 40mBar, with a boost controller. Fit an intercooler (even if it has to be fitted externally to the cowling) Most importantly we need a larger capacity oil cooler as the oil temp gets to top of the green 110C by the time we've climbed to 3000ft.
So two things to ask/discuss. 1. engine power, the guys at Edge performance said to me that they would not recommend the big bore kits and the turbo. And you guys have gone for both AND a bigger turbo. So that puts a HUGE amount of stress on the crankshaft that was designed for the the 100HP 912. Yes they weld it into a single piece but that is still a modification not a performance made piece. And I am a fabricator by trade. Welding only gets you so far compared to solid machined metal. How did you cater for the crank? 2. The prop. so more blades means more thrust by converting more energy into thrust per revolution. This favours high power engines with very high torque that can support the greater resistance of the greater amount of blades. Now the cruise speed compromise. At the tip of each blade you get the vortices that are generated with any wing. This is where most of the drag of a blade is generated. I am not sure about this but I believe that drag in cruise is greater under identical energy consumption. In other words for the same fuel burn you will cruise at lower speeds. However you just put in a little more power and you get more thrust and you get back some speed. In other words its not a reduction in cruise speed, its a reduction in cruise efficiency. Like your tires. You reduce cruise speed only if your not allowed to add more power. If you wanna go the TNIO550 in the front I can tell ya those tires are not going to slow you down. Can you find out from Airmaster if this is the case or am I just confused. Also Noise 4 blades reduce noise. Did you notice a reduction in noise.
gus bisbal this engine started out as a 914 with 79.50mm bore and we converted it to ULS bore 84.00mm. So it’s a “big bore” 914, but it’s not our NA 88/92mm cylinders. We’ve stressed the cranks to well above 200hp, and broken a few, so we know where the limits are.
@@EdgePerformanceNorway Great! You know you need to put this out there on your site. There are a lot of shops that will not go to the extent that you have gone to. Some shops just install parts and don't test everything. I personally don't like to make anything that has not been fully tested because the moment I don't test, it is that element where I am found to be wrong. The more I find out about your work Thomas the more I realise that it is of a very high level of quality assurance.
That' s really interesting. The speaker is so bad that he's even good! And the editing dynamics are such that even my son preferred this video to cartoons. Лайк, подписка, колокольчик.
I love your channel, the best part is to see how original you are. It is so nice to see new original content and I want to follow up with birth THE FREEDOM FOX KILLER ... awesome plane you guys
with the four blade constant speed propeller, were you able to adjust the propeller in flight to increase cruise speed? if so what was you best cruise speed? thx
Dankie Karl vir die video. Praat jy van Veiligheid? Waar's die lugsake of noodenjin? Die gedeeltelike landing op die water is 210%! Hou so aan. Mag el vra? Jul't genoem van 2, 3 en 4 span skroef. Kry 'n mens ook 5. 6 en meer spanne skroewe?
Ons plesier!😁 Hierdie klas van vliegtuie het nie lugsakke nie en het slegs een enjin. 2 en 3 span skroewe is die mees algemeen, mens kry ook 4 span en daar is 5 span maar hulle is besonders raar want op daardie punt raak hulle baie oneffektief op hierdie grootte enjins. Ek hoop die antwoord die vraag?
@@About2Stall Dankie Karel. Ja ek't ook nog nie gehoor van 'n vliegtuig met lugsakke of frommel sone nie... Die pilot is maar beide.(Eina!) Oor die Noodenjin? Nee, ek soek nog self. Kan wel ding. I] Die normale 2-metorige vliegtuig sal help. II] Die Starship-vliegtuie se enjins is agter gemonteer. Die skoewe is slegs centimeters van elkaaar.('n "pucher") Dis waarskynlik die beste wat 'n pilot sal kan kom met twee engins op die selfde vlerk. III] Die "Ruten" EZ of Cessan 337 is seker die heel naste aan gelykspeel en minste afwyking indien een enjin sou uitsny. ('n "Puller" en 'n "Pucher") IV] Die nuwe elektriese engins kan of sal kan in lyn met die binnebrand engin geplaas kan word. Byna soos die Toyota Prius se aandrywing vd 2000's. Vir kort afstande en onder 60km/u het elekriese engin gedryf anders het die1500cc binnebrandenjin soomloos oorgeneem.
None of the high horse power mods will do diddly squat, for landing short! All that extra weight (my Kitfox 1, with a 65 HP Rotax 532, weighed 465 lbs., with about the same wing area this bird has) needs to be dissipated once on the ground, more inertia means longer LZ requirements, no matter the stall speed. I do like the nicely faired aft gear legs (covered AND faired, that's the correct way to do it), and just as dictated by Dan Denny way back when.
I think you misunderstood, we can already land short, we need a bigger engine to take off as short as we can land 🤪 Please let us know if we should clarify anything. Thanks for the comment and support!
Love the plane, and your documenting of it. But my God is there too much "fluff" in these. I get it, there's a sell it to um method to your infomercial way of doing this. But it's alot to take in brov.
Way more restricted that the US, but less than Australia apparently... The "basic" rules are, 1. You have to have Permission from the land owner. Or 2. Have an emergency to land off-airport So we usually spend a lot of time tracking down the owner(s) of land where we plan on landing before going there and then usually try and drive there with a 4x4 to assess the "safety" aspect of landing there.
So what are the laws in South africa around doing a bush landing. In Australia we cannot do one. It has to be an area prepared for aircraft operations. Yeah, thats actually the term they use. ie it has to be a strip of some sort that has received or will receive aircraft as its main function.
Hi Steven! We mentioned in the video that Our engine cost about €14500 - at the current conversion rate it's about $15 760,12 vs the $37000 of the Rotax 915is. The $15760 includes build labour and tax... We will be able to give the final tally in the last video when the project has been completed! Hope this helps.😁
Then you probably have not seen our VG video where we got the STALL to 29kt. With the 4 blade STOL prop, not just a high HP prop and allot more horsepower... But the proof will be in the pudding 🤪🤪🤪
The engine is from Edge Performance th-cam.com/video/nxinw8nXwok/w-d-xo.html Start at 9:18 Extreme STOL - Steve Henry - Yamaha Engines - Just Aircraft Also View Steve Henry's Yee Haw 7 Walk Around th-cam.com/video/9Uk9GeEEokY/w-d-xo.html Start at 4:52
FreedomFox killer?!? Those are fighting words. Bring it! 955lbs with the standard wing is like a fat chick on high heels showing up to compete in a thin ice walking contest. Factory Rotax power and the STI wing for the win! 😝
My thoughts too. 955lbs is already way high.
🤣 😀😀.... that fat chick lost a few pounds and with our VG setup we are but 1 knot faster on stall so it will be great to see if those extra HP can pull us through.
Challenge accepted 🤪
It should be interesting to finally put the question to rest - Factory Power vs Performance Engine...😁
Fight! Fight! Fight!
Trent Palmer, i think you been “BITCH SLAPPED”🤨
🤣 Meeeooooow!! Did a dead cub just get thrown out of FreedomFox? 🤣 Seriously though - it would be awesome to see the two aircraft race side-by-side ...at the home of STOL drag - in a year or so after covid blows through???
Always look forward to seeing videos from these guys in South Africa! It is AWESOME to see how Aviation lives around the WORLD. Looking forward to the Part 2 and more detail on the Edge Performance Engine!
Thanks for Tuning in for the Premiere! And appreciate the feedback! We're looking forward to sharing Part 2!!
I liked the enthusiasm as long as it’s also tempered with knowledge which you guys do. You’re not “dumbing it down” so the excitement feels genuine, and you really do know what you’re talking about.
Thanks man that really means alot! We appreciate your feedback 🔥
If you have any technical questions about the engine, please ask - well address them in part 2
South African bush plane, with 29” Alaskans, shipping his engine off to Norway, talking smack with a guy in Nevada. Love it!!!
🤣 Glad we could amuse you! 😄
Exuberance level high !!! : ) I don't care this is great stuff , off the charts entertaining .. In fact don't change a thing , keep it ripping ... Got me another must watch aviation U tube channel
😁 Yeah! Thanks man, appreciate it! We will definitely keep them comming 🔥
I'd far rather watch this kind of a-bit-cheeky-cheesy-with-marmite-on-top, well researched over-exerberance over some of the deathly dull stuff posted as edutainment on youtube - I was still smiling and laughing at the end. Keep up the great work guys, enjoy what you get up to and thanks again for sharing all your projects :)
😁 Thanks Hamish! That's a very good way of putting it! We will most certainly keep at it, thanks for the support 🔥
Awesome. I look forward to part two and subsequent reports.
Thanks Brad!
We can't wait to share them😁
Amazing Video!🤩 Cant wait for part 2!
Thanks! Can't wait to get it out to you!🔥
Good information. Aviation is serious stuff. It is also something people are passionate about. You can not expect the best results acting like you are selling specials in Home Hardware. Don't tone it down, rather try a entirely different style. You have the right stuff and I hope to see you do well.
Man, I love these Kit Foxes
Yeah they are amazing Aircraft!
It took me a while to get used to the exuberant presentation style, but you know what - once I did, I like it - it's almost like watching theatre, you can feel the youthful energy and passion.
Ignore the naysayers, don't change a thing - it's what makes your channel unique.
Subscribed - keep them coming.
Thanks man!
We did tune it down a bit, but the energy and passion remains 😁💪🏼
Will keep them coming - thanks for the support!
Hello Riaan . Well done! If Short field ops is your favoured mission, why then the extra weight of the autopilot? Safety in case of inadvertant IF, or just a wish list? Come to the short field farm sometime... Reid
Nice work !
Thanks Christo!
We really appreciate the feedback 🔥
Game on !
love your enthusiasm
Thanks man, appreciate it!
BIG THANKS to ALL who joined us for the PREMIERE!!!
If you have any questions please ask them here in the comments!!!
Nic job! Come fly with us!
Thanks Kevin!
We'll have to make a plan sometime! 😁
What (if anything) are you doing with the gearbox to ensure it will be reliable with 165hp going thru it vs the stock 115hp?
We will go into that and all other related questions in part 2!😁
Love to get an Edge engine. Looking forward to part 2.... Any progress on your gap seals design?
From what we have seen só far - it's amazing!! We have made some progress, we'll make an update video on that.
What can we boost our 914UL to chaps?
We need 130bhp but only to climb up to 200ft towing a heavy 2 seat 800kg glider.
Above the 500ft safe height 115bhp would be fine.
I'm thinking:
Tweak the existing turbo boost above 40mBar, with a boost controller.
Fit an intercooler (even if it has to be fitted externally to the cowling)
Most importantly we need a larger capacity oil cooler as the oil temp gets to top of the green 110C by the time we've climbed to 3000ft.
So two things to ask/discuss.
1. engine power, the guys at Edge performance said to me that they would not recommend the big bore kits and the turbo. And you guys have gone for both AND a bigger turbo. So that puts a HUGE amount of stress on the crankshaft that was designed for the the 100HP 912. Yes they weld it into a single piece but that is still a modification not a performance made piece. And I am a fabricator by trade. Welding only gets you so far compared to solid machined metal. How did you cater for the crank?
2. The prop. so more blades means more thrust by converting more energy into thrust per revolution. This favours high power engines with very high torque that can support the greater resistance of the greater amount of blades. Now the cruise speed compromise. At the tip of each blade you get the vortices that are generated with any wing. This is where most of the drag of a blade is generated. I am not sure about this but I believe that drag in cruise is greater under identical energy consumption. In other words for the same fuel burn you will cruise at lower speeds. However you just put in a little more power and you get more thrust and you get back some speed. In other words its not a reduction in cruise speed, its a reduction in cruise efficiency. Like your tires. You reduce cruise speed only if your not allowed to add more power. If you wanna go the TNIO550 in the front I can tell ya those tires are not going to slow you down. Can you find out from Airmaster if this is the case or am I just confused. Also Noise 4 blades reduce noise. Did you notice a reduction in noise.
gus bisbal this engine started out as a 914 with 79.50mm bore and we converted it to ULS bore 84.00mm. So it’s a “big bore” 914, but it’s not our NA 88/92mm cylinders. We’ve stressed the cranks to well above 200hp, and broken a few, so we know where the limits are.
@@EdgePerformanceNorway Great! You know you need to put this out there on your site. There are a lot of shops that will not go to the extent that you have gone to. Some shops just install parts and don't test everything. I personally don't like to make anything that has not been fully tested because the moment I don't test, it is that element where I am found to be wrong. The more I find out about your work Thomas the more I realise that it is of a very high level of quality assurance.
Awesome piece of kit
Thanks Steve! She is amazing🔥
Nice fresh SA view of bush planes!!
Thanks Shane!
That' s really interesting. The speaker is so bad that he's even good! And the editing dynamics are such that even my son preferred this video to cartoons. Лайк, подписка, колокольчик.
🤣 What an interesting way to put it.
Glad you and your son enjoyed it!
We appreciate your feedback, sub and like🔥
Just love it 😍😍😍
Thanks Man! Appreciate it🔥
I love your channel, the best part is to see how original you are. It is so nice to see new original content and I want to follow up with birth THE FREEDOM FOX KILLER ... awesome plane you guys
😁 Thanks Jim! Appreciate it!
sure knows how to get a message across. Good job.
Thanks David! Appreciate the feedback😁
Hi can you tell me what type of stalling alarm device you have installed on your plane ?
So why would a this particular 4 bladed prop sacrifice cruise speed vs the 3 bladed?
Great video man, but to exaggerated on the speaking =( You don't need that.
Thanks man! Yeah, we toned it way down in part 2 and 3. Thanks for the feedback!
Yes, way too much coffee! I was waiting to hear “But wait, there’s more!!!” 😂
Actually I quite like the caffeine kick, makes for entertaining watching. Why would you want to watch normal?
Glad you liked it Chris! 😁👍🏼
What is the Airmaster Prop model you ended up going with, and are you still happy with the choice?
I cannot believe you said Freedom Fox Killer. Man you have balls lol.
You mean we're stirring the pot with both cubs and our friend Trent Palmer? 🤪
@@About2Stall Yep I can see that. Would love to see you two in a head to head.
Same here!
We are thinking of flying her to Osh at some point from South Africa 🇿🇦. So we might just be able to some day...
Cool!
Thanks man!😁
with the four blade constant speed propeller, were you able to adjust the propeller in flight to increase cruise speed? if so what was you best cruise speed? thx
Yes, Of course!
We were able to cruise at around 98kts
Dankie Karl vir die video. Praat jy van Veiligheid? Waar's die lugsake of noodenjin? Die gedeeltelike landing op die water is 210%! Hou so aan. Mag el vra? Jul't genoem van 2, 3 en 4 span skroef. Kry 'n mens ook 5. 6 en meer spanne skroewe?
Ons plesier!😁
Hierdie klas van vliegtuie het nie lugsakke nie en het slegs een enjin.
2 en 3 span skroewe is die mees algemeen, mens kry ook 4 span en daar is 5 span maar hulle is besonders raar want op daardie punt raak hulle baie oneffektief op hierdie grootte enjins.
Ek hoop die antwoord die vraag?
@@About2Stall Dankie Karel. Ja ek't ook nog nie gehoor van 'n vliegtuig met lugsakke of frommel sone nie... Die pilot is maar beide.(Eina!) Oor die Noodenjin? Nee, ek soek nog self. Kan wel ding.
I] Die normale 2-metorige vliegtuig sal help. II] Die Starship-vliegtuie se enjins is agter gemonteer. Die skoewe is slegs centimeters van elkaaar.('n "pucher") Dis waarskynlik die beste wat 'n pilot sal kan kom met twee engins op die selfde vlerk.
III] Die "Ruten" EZ of Cessan 337 is seker die heel naste aan gelykspeel en minste afwyking indien een enjin sou uitsny. ('n "Puller" en 'n "Pucher")
IV] Die nuwe elektriese engins kan of sal kan in lyn met die binnebrand engin geplaas kan word. Byna soos die Toyota Prius se aandrywing vd 2000's. Vir kort afstande en onder 60km/u het elekriese engin gedryf anders het die1500cc binnebrandenjin soomloos oorgeneem.
I still like my Rotax 100HP AeroTrek....
Nice
Thanks @Mohanos!
Appreciate!! 😀😀😀
@trentpalmer .....the freedomfox killer..
Why did they stop producing content?
Is that intercooler and its plumbing from Edge Performance also?
Hi Martin
Yes, it did! We had to modify the intercooler a little bit but we'll go into that in the future videos!
My dream is to own one of these planes someday!!
Hold onto that dream! It does come true 😁👍🏼
None of the high horse power mods will do diddly squat, for landing short! All that extra weight (my Kitfox 1, with a 65 HP Rotax 532, weighed 465 lbs., with about the same wing area this bird has) needs to be dissipated once on the ground, more inertia means longer LZ requirements, no matter the stall speed.
I do like the nicely faired aft gear legs (covered AND faired, that's the correct way to do it), and just as dictated by Dan Denny way back when.
I think you misunderstood, we can already land short, we need a bigger engine to take off as short as we can land 🤪
Please let us know if we should clarify anything.
Thanks for the comment and support!
@@About2Stall My point was that more weight hurts landing performance, it doesn't help, it's a given. I'm sure it will climb though like a raped ape!
No wind 27 foot landing 15-20 mph winds 16.5 feet landing 300 HP Edge Performance Yamaha Highlander 2.5 foot takeoff, Steve Henry
th-cam.com/video/TgncesRfqho/w-d-xo.html
2011 Kitfox, needs new wiring
1975 Cessna 150M, same wiring since 1975. I guess it's due for new wiring...🤷🤷🤷
🤣😁
Love the plane, and your documenting of it. But my God is there too much "fluff" in these. I get it, there's a sell it to um method to your infomercial way of doing this. But it's alot to take in brov.
Yeah that's true!
We took it down a few notches in the rest of the videos in the series...
Thanks for the feedback.
@@About2Stall awesome brother.
Pow!
👊🏼😁
@About2Stall - How restricted are you with back-country flying in SA? Lots of red tape?
Way more restricted that the US, but less than Australia apparently...
The "basic" rules are,
1. You have to have Permission from the land owner. Or
2. Have an emergency to land off-airport
So we usually spend a lot of time tracking down the owner(s) of land where we plan on landing before going there and then usually try and drive there with a 4x4 to assess the "safety" aspect of landing there.
@@About2Stall Perfect! Thanks for that... Looking forward to nog vidoes ;-)
My Pleasure!
the best English dialect out there... :)
😁 Thanks András, appreciate that!
lekker dankie
Dankie! Waardeer die ondersteuning!!
How much was your kitfox?
Okay then
So what are the laws in South africa around doing a bush landing. In Australia we cannot do one. It has to be an area prepared for aircraft operations. Yeah, thats actually the term they use. ie it has to be a strip of some sort that has received or will receive aircraft as its main function.
In South Africa you have to have Permission from the land owner or an emergency...
@@About2Stall The US is then the only country that allows you to land on a road if no one is coming.
Man that would be so good.
Yeah! They're very lucky!
Baaaahahaha the kitfox's are trying to kill each other....... watch out Jonas
🤣😂 It keeps Experimental aircraft going forward doesn't it?
Jonas sold his Kitfox. He is building a new plane of his own design.
How much money do you have to make all this happen ... on a kit-fox nevertheless. You mentioned all the numbers except the $$
???
Hi Steven!
We mentioned in the video that Our engine cost about €14500 - at the current conversion rate it's about $15 760,12 vs the $37000 of the Rotax 915is. The $15760 includes build labour and tax...
We will be able to give the final tally in the last video when the project has been completed!
Hope this helps.😁
Sr how to buy this engine
Your best bet would be to contact Edge Performance via their website.
www.edgeperformance.no
I want yo contact and buy this engine
FreedomFox Killer? I doulbt it, not without changing your wings to STI.
Then you probably have not seen our VG video where we got the STALL to 29kt.
With the 4 blade STOL prop, not just a high HP prop and allot more horsepower... But the proof will be in the pudding 🤪🤪🤪
To bad I can't understand anything he says
If this guy gets any more over the top exited he’s gonna👏👏 pee himself.
😂🤣
Less talking and more footage/flying
We'll be sure to keep it in mind, thanks! 😁
How much coffee did you drink before shooting this? Also seems like you're slurring your words a bit mate, add some whiskey to that coffee, did ya?
Haha no, no coffee!
It was quite early the next morning, and my second Language...😋
@@About2Stall :)
You obviously have never heard an Afrikaans South African accent before bud.
Wanted to watch but the guy was just toooiii much!!
Sorry you feel that way Jess. We toned it way down in part 2 and 3
Don't tell him Steve Henry's is producing 300 HP. True ! True ! look it up please. Can anyone say, PERFORMANCE!!!!
I know Steve Henry has got it go'n on ! He is the Champion.
The engine is from Edge Performance th-cam.com/video/nxinw8nXwok/w-d-xo.html Start at 9:18 Extreme STOL - Steve Henry - Yamaha Engines - Just Aircraft
Also View Steve Henry's Yee Haw 7 Walk Around th-cam.com/video/9Uk9GeEEokY/w-d-xo.html Start at 4:52
dont like how you taking or noting about you.
++++
Thanks Alex! 😁
Worried about money; spends more
Not so much worried about money as much as price for performance...
The Edge Performance engine gives more power and cost less!
Nice
Thanks man!