"This Changes NOTHING!" Samito Reacts to the New Overwatch 2 Balance Patch
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man that hit at the cowboys was entirely unneeded................ but 100% accurate.
My favorite part is that they think overclock getting 3+ kills per use is balanced. Incredible.
Meanwhile, Deadeye makes you practically immobile, is bugged enough to miss, and needs time to lock on to someone and kill them. Soldier 76 has literal aimbot but at least he isn’t popping a hitscan Helix crit into your head every two seconds
Sojourn is a DPS played by almost every DPS player in top500 while she is hardly touched in lower ranks, so it balances out - Blizzard logic probably.
@@sirnetflix7162 a hitscan helix rocket lol
@@xntrk4282 I play overwatch a lot and I’m sure my option dosent matter bc I’m only gold rank on Dps but even in my rank the sojourn players dominate more of the time then suck
An ultimate getting 3+ kills is fine, the fact that she can get that many in a normal teamfight is the issue.
It's so weird how they can absolutely murder characters in patch notes like genji but when it comes to other characters it will be like for kiriko: -.15 seconds of invulnerability from teleport and it takes them literally weeks and weeks to do it too.
its cuz you have to pay for kiriko if she sucks you wont buy her
@@connorparks8281 you can't buy her anymore?
Genji is okay, they killed sombra and brig
@@connorparks8281you actually can unlock her by doing quests on challenges I think
It’s been the philosophy of the game since they first started releasing new characters. They feel that new characters need to be viable if not “meta” or the game will become stale and boring. Whether they’re right or not is up to you but I at least understand the thought process of keeping new and interesting characters meta to keep things fresh.
YES, And Blizzard 100% does need to start helping heroes that consistently get less value than others in the role. Its easy to tell who they are...they have a terrible pickrate and consistantly get ranked C-, D-, or F-tier.
Except sombra, she can stay trash
#buffdoom
They said ball and rein buffs are incoming so that’s good
@@donovan4222 where the gengu buff
I was reading the patch notes in Skiesti’s stream and I literally said you were gonna mald
Yeah because nothing changed
Flats' entire face went red on his own stream
the dude was just holding it together.
From 200 thousand average viewers to 20 thousand average. Come on blizzard. Surely when 80% of your player base stops watching and playing then you realise something is wrong.
It’s amazing the complete opposite tone and take you can get from these notes going from a Samito vid to a YourOverwatch vid
He's a blizzard ding dong sucker
ones a shill and ones not, its that simple.
@@WorldKeepsSpinnin No, One is pragmatic and logical while one is emotional.
@@jgavpercussion same thing different words.
One’s afraid to look bad, the other doesn’t give a fuck and will say what needs to be said and how to say it (Samito)
Just played today, Orisa runs rampant again 😂
I hate that fat cow
Anyone with half a brain could tell these changes wouldn’t have done shit, yet it took a whole fucking team of people months to make these changes. I uninstalled ow for the last time yesterday, no point playing a game that the creators don’t even care anymore
I took a season off and they're JUST NOW getting around to attempting to fix these issues holy shit.
They explained why it took so long in the stream
What game have you ever played where balance patches come out faster than this? OW1 would go multiple months without changes.
The balance team is out of touch. Hog is going to be completely unplayable and a throw pick now, the best parts of Sojourn and Kiriko's kits are left untouched. The only thing that is going to change is that Ram and Orisa are going to be picked instead of hog.
I agree with everything Samito is saying. Orisas cool downs are way too aggressive and cycle way too easy. Sojurns rail gun is the problem not the primary fire damage. Widows 1 shot is still OP and no fun. Kiriko has too many powerful abilities and outperforms every other support. It's pretty silly when you think about the power level of "meta" heroes in this game. You get stuck in "orisa jail" or "kiriko jail" because the other heroes don't have the same impact or utility or cooldowns to compete. Pretty sad. Samito is 💯 on this call-out. Blizzard is embarrassing at balancing this game.
Deep down they really don’t want the PVP player base.
Taking away widow one shot literally defeats her entire character. She’s the one character in this game who should actually have that ability.
Although the sojourn changes do reduce rail uptime, so there’s that I guess. Rail still needs changes tho but at least it happens less.
Problem with kiriko is that if u take away the invulnerability the ability becomes next to useless cause if there’s no de buffs it dosnt do anything. Maybe just give it a strong damage reduction instead? Idk just something to think about when discussing kiriko I suppose.
@@clarencealexander3287 no it doesnt, overwatch is a team based game, make widow do 195 to weak heroes (200-250HP) and 300 to tanks (600-700-500HP) just like that yoi balance her, she can still one-shot but she needs to have her team playing with her or she doesnt get that much amo
@@carlos2villalobos276 No one in the history of the game that actually pays attention for widow's positioning has ever asked for a nerf the same you and the other guy are. Yes it can be annoying when you're not paying attention to get destroyed, but why did you get destroyed? Because you weren't paying attention. You take away her ability to do anything by just paying attention to where she is.
The lead character designer said on Flat's and Emongg's stream today that there was a bug specifically with Hog, which is why they couldn't do those changes. Not half assed....
im ngl i thought the sojourn changes were juicy until i went into practice range and realized how insignificant it is
It’s actually a buff whenever sojourn is shooting at an armored character, like Orissa, Doomshield, or Ram block.
i literally played a qp game tonight after work and locked sojourn and i didnt even notice a difference in how i was walking, i was like 27-3 and like 12k dmg
Remember she is balanced
I've been waiting for this video all day XD
~6:00 you also forgot to mention that you’d make the helix rocket hitscan :)
What blows me away is this all could of been released in Dec.
Literally it’s beyond laughable at this point.
It was confirmed in the the Stream where the Dev talked to Flats and Emongg that Hog was 1 of 3 heroes that physically couldn’t be changed because of a hotfix bug - so it couldn’t have come in Dec. to be fair
@@kenerb654 that and you know Christmas and stuff
Based on what? How could you possibly know that?
I am so concerned about horse more than anything. She's a monster of a tank and while she is fun, she is way too survivable. Even in the 9ish games I played today, I've seen majority Orisa.
now that hog isn’t a thing, you can go dive. Orisa dmg isn’t high enough to worry about, dive the enemy team (mind you, don’t dive the horse) with kiri for cleanse if they have an ana or smth
Her survability is what makes her fun though. You actually get to play the game.
@@maxieroo629 who will you dive if you play against sojourn kiriko and mercy ? And the other dps could be echo, even junkrat, there will be no one to dive…
Out of all the tanks, I have destroyed the most as Sigma. In fact, now that hog and orisa got slightly nerfed, people are going to call for Rammatra (his ult IS broken I'm surprised it isn't mentioned enough) and then people are going to bitch and call for nerfs on Sigma even tho he is actually balanced. You can deal with Orisa easily because if she goes aggro you can use shield to cut off her heals with the option to kill or ignore her and chase down her team. Or if she stays back, you can still do A LOT of damage to them while providing damage mitigation and possibly secure a kill or 2. These vids mostly apply top 500, so unless you're top 500 yourself it might not even affect you at all. It's all very predictable - you can't really have 1 single patch that will please top 500/OWL and the rest of the game.
I was actually dominating with hog before he was "broken" and I was surprised at how no one bitched until suddenly people caught on thanks to streamers finally using him and complaining due to the addition of Kiriko. But oh, Kiriko wasn't even the biggest problem apparently, it was the fact he can one shot with or without her which doesn't belong in a game containing Widowmaker even tho you could already do that for ages lol
@@willwilliams2944 Yeah, she’s fun to play as, but horrible to play against.
Great breakdown Sam! Thank you so much for your input. Helps me see things from another angle!
I think this dumpsters hog, on almost all maps but the ones with spots you can get kills with environment. But they really need to change kirikos teleport and cleanse to make the game fun.
High mobility characters have a better chance at getting away from hog after getting hooked, BUT, some shitters have found a couple of ways to one shot even 250 hp characters, so I guess hog can't really get kills for free unless they're on cooldown
For hog to 1 shot now you need to left click then hook so you have the dmg done on hook for the 1 shot combo to actually happen
ngl, after playing him a bit. I think this might be a hog buff actually. It just shifts his power from a one shot to a more consistent damage dealer. But if he hooks you, on most heroes your still dead. Also the one shot is still possible.
I tested Hog 2 hours ago in training range, to answer some questions people have. Hog is not dumpstered. Skill Challenging? Very much yes. I tested these on a Genji, who has 200 HP.
At 0 Meters AKA point blank, Hog 1shots 200 HP targets still. Hook Combo, If done ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, will leave a target with EXTREMELY low Health.
Hog With Mercy Pocket or Nano boost, will 1-shot a 200 HP target. Stack damage boost and Nano together, Hog is mathematically back in the same position he was before the nerfs.
Even without the nerfs, Hog must resort to more utility now, and instead of securing kills, Hook unprotected players to allow your team's DPS and you to take them out.
No matter how you look at it, Hog is not bottom tier. He's certainly not S Tier, hell no. But Hog is gunna be very consistent, and work as more shield break and tank pressure. If you play Junker Queen and want more self sustain? Go Roadhog.
@@o0_VanYsH_0o I’m sorry but if your mercy is dmg boosting your hog you are in low elo that shouldn’t be happening. Hog is dumpstered now. The top console hog players said he is dumpstered, he’s to the point there’s no playing him cause you won’t be securing the kill alone like you can on orisa once you spear someone.
Sojourns rail gun charges in 1.35 seconds
THE BEST PART ABOUT THE STREAM WITH ALEC DAWSON WAS WHEN HE HAD THE AUDACITY TO SIT THERE AND SAY "THE TEAM THINKS GENJI IS FINE BECAUSE HES A POPULAR HERO XDDDD"
LIKE OFC HES A POPULAR HERO HES FUN TO PLAY THAT DOESNT MEAN THE HERO IS GOOD
NO WAY FIRE THIS BALANCE TEAM MAN WTF
Wait wtf where
@@wizzroz4362 Go to Flats stream, watch it through just as they finish the segment on the balance discussion and they ask questions, Genji gets brought up and Alec was like "eeeehh maybe somewhere down the line but not now, hes fine because hes popular"
I called out that they knew the hero was popular because they released the cool skin on the battle pass season 1. They just wanted to spit in people's mouth for playing a hero that they gave a cool skin for.
Genji with the speed buff wasn't oppressive or unfair even so he's lost all that and more now for no reason.
Man I would give so much to get back to the first couple years of OW. The game is completely unrecognizable and so frustrating to play. They sucked every ounce of fun out of it....
When do you normally stream so I can watch your stream? I love your content
iirc there was a bugfix for kiriko that made it so she could no longer make the flag she is carrying (in cap the flag gamemode i think) no longer dissapear when she tp's. This also removed the s and cleanse from her tp tho i haven't checked in game if this is still the case.
Gotta be honest, it’s impressive how long they’re willing to actively troll this community to see how much they’ll take and continue playing lmao
And ppl eat it for free lmao
I uninstalled a couple weeks ago. I'll wait until the game is in a better state. I can't play this game right now without getting frustrated.
I'll just take another 1 year break and hope sojourn will be balanced by early 2024 but the game will probably be dead by that time.
@@Torbintime not to be pessimistic but what makes you think the game is alive to begin with
@@GameOver-ou1ge it was nice having a lower than 15 minute q time, felt like the game was popular again. But it's just artificially boosted because ranks are meaningless now and somehow gold peak players end up in high Dia games "they have the same mmr" according to Blizzards posts. Surely blizzard doesn't just match random ranks together.
What I don’t understand is why not just put soj rail gun on a cool down? You know, like everyone else? It’s the only ability that doesn’t have a cool down. Why? If there’s a cool down it adds a moment of vulnerability. Where I can 1v1 her and feel safe that my hp won’t be deleted. It’s literally the same as all other heroes. Mccree no flash, tracer no recall, genii no deflect, etc. Just add a cool down..
I think because she would become a bad widow. Plus, if the cooldown is too long, she just sits there with full charge and not being able to use it which feels bad. Perhaps if rail gun didn’t do damage at all but added visible crit spots on opponents for a time that only Soj can use and the ability does a base 25 damage with a 2 or 3 second cooldown. Her ult could let the ability target all the crit spots on an opponent at once.
@@Venufan she would become a bad widow.... As she literally should??? The whole point of Widowmaker is that you give up your awareness, cqc potential and continuous mobility for oneshot potential. Why the fuck should sojourn be as good as widowmaker while also not being as penalized as her?
@@daniilnoun8262 it doesn't make sense for her to have to manually charge up an ability AND wait for a cooldown.
@@Venufan Why is not being able to use charge bad? It would force players to use her rail gun more strategically instead of just spamming it into the enemy team. The rail gun should be more like soldiers Helix rocket.
@@donovan4222 because no other hero has that setback because it is unnecessary. Helix Rockets don't have to be charged. Plus, even if it's up she has to charge it first which Soldier does not have to do with Rockets.
I just want the balance team to get their well deserved Netflix Standup Special.
Does the 3 to 4 m distance he pulls people with his hook still pull them in melee range?
Something else... Overwatch was at it's funnest when instead of nerfing everything, they made everything op. Those were fun days. Except hog. Hog is a dps in the tank role, and he should either be moved or changed.
You just have to laugh at how incompetent the balance team is. I wouldn’t be suprised if the viewership numbers are similar to how they were when the game stopped getting consistent updates. They really stopped patching their old game for two years just for OW2 to be in the exact same spot OW1 was in when it was dead. Laughable.
Apparently on Flats' stream they said the reason it took the hog changes so long to come out, is there was a bug preventing 3 heroes including hog from being hotfixed. Honestly, this doesn't change anything for me though. They could've patched the game if they prioritized it, but they didn't. They could've communicated that the bug was preventing hog from being fixed, but they didn't. They could've told us that the end of January change won't be the soft rework to hog so we didn't get our expectations up, but they didn't. This isn't just needing better avenues of communication, they've said they're working on a better way of getting news out, but this is just no communication.
They keep saying things are "going" to be nerfed, but it's difficult to trust that considering the "nerfs" they've given Sojourn which have either done nothing, or ended up buffing her. As a developer I understand the frustration of interacting with a community as... passionate as Overwatch's. But there's a good reason they're like that, it's not out of nowhere. The balance team needs to do better, and needs to provide an actual action plan of how they want to conduct balance moving forward, because 2 patches every season isn't enough if they're going to be as light as this one.
I liked the things they said on stream about wanting to nerf junkrat and hanzo not in their close-range lethality, but their long-range lethality given their mobility. It's good to see that they understand good avenues of nerfing those heroes without making it significantly worse for those who main them. They also mentioned that hog's winrate was actually below 50%, but they wanted to nerf him anyway due to player frustrations; it's good to see they're prioritizing things outside of data into account for their changes. These changes need to happen significantly faster though. It's immensely frustrating to play against these things for months, then when the holy patch comes out, it does nothing, and you have to wait weeks/months yet again. Why haven't they used the experimental system at all? This would be a great way of gathering data for more aggressive balance/changes that they're hesitant to put out. But then again, that'd just make too much sense.
What if they removed the healing aspect from suzu? That way, it wouldn’t feel like your work is being undone, the other healer would have to pick up the slack which would create a team-play dynamic between them. The other way they could do it is if it heals, but doesn’t have invulnerability
In what other profession can you FAIL OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN and STILL be employed (except police and politicians)
it is so Embarrassing and the devs on Twitter are whining that the balance team are being called out for being bad at their job
SOMEONE HAS TO DO IT IF YOU WANNA STAY EMPLOYED BECAUSE THIS GAME IS GOING DOWNNNN
Wouldn't make more sense to say there should be more rather than insult the devs
I agree that those small tweaks shouldn’t have took that long but they definitely have the potential to shake things up, while yes on paper it doesn’t seem much, they certainly can turn the meta into something good. However if every content creator now releases a video: THIS CHANGES NOTHING obviously this will change nothing, people will listen to you without even thinking about it and just keep playing the same boring shit, just a small example: Asia has been playing dive since the last patch meanwhile NA/EU is stuck on hog/orisa for more than a month, while yes Asia is just cracked it shouldn’t take us that long to adapt imo
Kiri nerfed healing: she won’t be able to be a solo healer anymore which means either kiri will see less play time or mercy and since kiri is still way too good to not be played mercy will see a huge drop, without mercy the soj matchup is way more fair and considering she gets even less value out of mercy now, it will be only worth to play mercy over Ana/Kiri if you have someone like Proper on your team
Hog nerf: monkey meta, in which soj her effectiveness drops a lot. Asia has been playing like that the whole last patch so I’m confident that NA/EU will figure out how to play it now too with his hard counter being dumpstered, at least that’s what I hope because I really don’t want to play another 2 weeks on 150 ping
I KNEW I WASNT CRAZY
Finally someone with a brain, samito is such a manchild fr
Asia servers are absolute cancer. Easily the worst players ive ever had the misfortune of having to play with. Far worse than NA and EU.
It's gonna be funny to see Samito's reaction when they buff Supports to counteract bad Matchmaking Quality.
or buff them in a desperate attempt to make them fun and fail miserably, because support is the role holding back queue times now.
If you expect disappointment then you will never be disappointed
i expected disappointment, and im still disappointed. thats how bad this patch is.
Now Sam let's give the balance team some credit they moved from supports being unkillable being they have so much sustain to supports being unkillable because they have so much mobility that you can't ever catch them without them having an escape. That's an improvement. Right?
Speaking as a low SR player, Sojourn players aren't missing their Railgun shots most of the time. They're just not consistently clicking heads with it, preferring instead to have it as a finisher.
I really wanna catch the stream but idk what time or day he streams. Can anyone tell me?
Sad times man no genji buff nor doom buff after dumpstering both of them sad times I’ll hold hope but the balance team is a bunch of toddlers
They need to js revert genji to non nerfed,he didn’t need a nerf at all
@@Suckerroodoo fr that would be perfectly fine
@@Suckerroodoo he did, he was to powerful. Horrible genjis were getting value out of him because all you needed to do was dash to someone body shot them and they died. And then just nano blade instant team fight win if your supports are bad (spoiler 80% of the time) He cant be good with blade and his normal kit.
@@WorldKeepsSpinnin I don't really think genji combos are as consistent as other garbage like cass bodyshot and grenade.
@@WorldKeepsSpinnin blade is already a bad ultimate and it received 0 changes with the genji nerf not to mention 2 ults being invested into nano blade means the ultimate should get value. its not uncounterable and a lot of the time genji will get like 1 kill with it if the enemy can get away and not give him dash resets. like every support in the game has easy ways to save their teammates when genji dives them. nerfing genjis damage and ammo count just made him super clunky and makes it impossible to kill someone unless their supports are just being negligent
Maybe we shouldn’t be nerfing high skill ceiling characters like kiriko, but instead buffing the rest of the supports to meet the new standard
i agree with this because it might just fix the issue with queue times and people generally enjoying the role. you cant nerf supports right now because no one is going to play them then. theyre already unfun to play in this state, who wants to have an even worse time? i say this as a support main too, i genuinely cant play the game alone on support because it's just so frustrating if i dont have someone with me so its easier to manage it.
Flats did a sit down with mr dawson and he said that hog was bugged from being able to be changed
I smell a Group Up Pod with the OG crew in the works
Well let's just wait and see what happens.
The hog rework was needed I think - especially answering the issues with his OP 1 shots. Orissa's fortify reduction didn't really matter to me because it doesn't last long enough to be so effective.
I've seen this video and Freedo's video on this patch and honestly, I think Freedo has completely lost his mind
To summarize, he thinks this patch (at least for the tank role) will "flip the meta on its head" and I cannot fathom how he came to that conclusion when this balance team is not willing to do more than a slap on the wrist for the most dominant and oppressive heroes
Freedo was correct? Before hog was meta every other tank was also meta as well. And now that hog is weaker it opens a lot more opportunities.
@@zmehirdel orisa was always a bigger issue then hog. Even when he was good she countered him, her hardly changing means she's either equally or moreso dominant, couldn't be farther from "meta changing" when effectively they reinforced the same meta
Freedo lost his mind ever since his “best battle pass in gaming” video. Dude is a 🤡
This is my opinion on the changes and it's basically agreeing with Sam
- they needed to change Orisas cd cycle.
- Hog needed those changes to stop the one-shot EXCEPT the damage nerf. One valuable part of his kit that isn't the hook combo is the long range shot and they nerfed that for no reason.
- they handled Sojourn absolutely wrong again. All they have to do is slow the rate it charges and reduce the time needed to decay by a substantial margin
- I honestly have no idea how to change Kiriko but doing this to make it seem like you have a plan is hilarious
Blizzard and overwatch is dead
Needs a full overhaul except for the people who make cosmetics
Yep😂
@@thegettokidZz and you just proved they don't need to actually change anything to make money lol
@@granddaddy_funk have you been playing the game at all recently?? I have to go on lower level accounts just to find games in diamond the servers are fucking dead
@@granddaddy_funk good luck making all your money off of a dead corpse of a game
Looks like they just wanna keep her railgun identity. I think if they nerf her hitbox (she is impossible to hit from the front. A/D strafing SJ literally invulnerable) and nerf her slide cooldown, i would be ok. Primary fire dmg nerf and energy gain nerf is quite good.
Yes. All I wanted for her was a hitbox size increase and for overclock to not be so ridiculous. The rail charge nerf is decent but we're still miles away.
Sojurn nerf idea:
Railgun
-Crit damage does not increase past 75 charge.
-Damage nerfed by flat 30%
-Charge per hit rifle shot reduced
Overclock rework
-Duration 6 seconds
-Gain 100 charge on activation
-Reload rifle
-Rifle reload speed +40%
-Rifle firerate +15%
-Gain +100% charge rate on railgun
-Gain10 charge every second
(You are still able to colat with overclocked railgun)
Flats stream had a dev that noted buffs coming to both ball and rein, I'm hoping this is a sign that blizzard is done with the genji style nerfs and is Taki g ot one step at a time, do these nerfs really change the game? Not as much as we maybe had hoped, but if we see subsequent changes stack on top of this it will change for the better.
not the cowboys shade 💀💀💀💀
well im glad they fixed the lucio hermes skin bug
Damn I didn’t know they worked brig that many times and she’s still a problem. I’m still trying to figure out why Hog was allowed to one shot. What’s the point if he’s basically a widow with 600 health
Completely agree with the proposed S76 buff. At this point, yeah, it's just laughable; I keep saying to myself "wait and see" and I'm just trying to keep my eyeballs from getting stuck facing my brain. Fortunately I'm a casual player so I can just opt to play the game less. I really feel for those who have tethered their livelihood to this tire fire.
The blue raz man himself
We are working on a Road Hog rework....just kidding here are some number changes instead we could have done weeks ago.
If he cant one shot he doesnt bring much tank utility to the team.
5:06 LMAO
BE ANGRY SAMITO your voice is needed
Is anyone having trouble with the lucky pouch challenge I been won 8 games and it hasn’t progress neither the charm or the skin.
It's been long enough, people who have been playing sojourn how does she feel?
just a bit harder to build rail if they run specific tanks but other than that feels the same
In one weekly update, Fortnite releases more than them in a whole season - hell, two seasons. Not sure what outdated business model they're working off of - also I think they only look at how much heroes are played and could care less about actual balancing
I bet you Genji has maybe a win rate around 50% and this is their reasoning for not buffing or nerfing Genji any further because they think this is fine 😑
Let me get all those soldier buffs you mentioned
The sojourn changes would be ok if they also shortened the duration of overclock, IMO. It's not the best outcome, but it would at least reduce her impact a little bit.
hopefully they have a better and bigger patch for start of season 3 but this patch changes nothing besides hog who was starting to stop getting played anyway because of orisa, who btw basically got no nerfs, and they have no plans for genji at all
That shot at my cowboys was so unnecessary 😭💀
Actually, I noticed a positive difference in my games during my stream last night with the at least Hog getting appropriately nerfed. It was nice to be able to actually play my support role without having to constantly hide underground from Hog’s oppressive one shot. They should have nerfed sojourn more though. While I’m frustrated with the overall state of comp, especially the tank decay, I’m glad that they are at least communicating and trying to fix problems.
Yeah I’m not sure why Samito is acting like patches taking weeks to come out is bad, when they usually take multiple months in OW1 and other games
Sorry I meant RANK decay. Stupid spell check.
wow u just had to bring up my cowboys
I had a lot of hope for 2 as someone who quit around 2017. At this point I feel the death of overwatch as an IP is pretty set in stone.
Calmest Samito content
How long will we play the same thing god
I know a good way they can nerf Widow
1) They make it to where her sniper power only goes up by 50% (at a slower rate) and can only go up to 100% while in ult, but they would have to buff her normal fire rate when not sniping to compensate.
2) She can no longer spam snipe and has to wait till her sniper power is at 50%.
3) She can't be damage boosted while sniping and while sniping in ult as to not make her one shot capabilities as effective as before
4) Reduce her HP back to 175
This is a hot take but at this point widow shouldn't get the pockets she gets in game. She's so oppressive when attacking and defending and when you go dive her the entire enemy team turns around for her, rendering your flank useless.
They should make Otis’s take 1.25 headshot damage while fortify is up and for widow headshot 1.5x and kiriko headshot 2x
The soujourn nerf is good tho, doesn’t it mean she doesn’t get extra charge from a pocket mercy?
Yes
its not what she needs though. its the fact the railgun does so much dmg and can oneshot
It's literally going to take the new dev team to fix the characters in the role. I'm done with these Overwatch 1 devs, just patching a pothole of a work just for the road, which still gets rough
in my opinion people are heavily underestimating how much the charge change does on sojourn. the change is really good imo because sojourns uptime on her rail is now SIGNIFICANTLY reduced especially when she gets mercy pocketed. you used to gain like 10+ charge from a single primary fire headshot and even more with a damage boost and thats no longer the case. like yeah she gains a bit more charge from blocks and fortify, but thats not nearly as good as a trade off when you consider that you shouldnt even shoot a doom block, most rams wont be blocking for more than 2 seconds of their nemesis form and imo its actually good that she gains more charge off fortify because that makes orisa slightly worse since shes already so broken. i dont think she will be bad now, i still think shes the best dps in the game, but her uptime was reduced by at least 25% and she is a lot fairer in duels as well. with her reduced damage and lower charge gain heroes like tracer will be able to duel her a lot easier. i still think they should nerf overclock or make rail not be able to headshot but i honestly think its a very big step in the right direction compared to their other "nerfs" she got before. i still agree with you on the kiriko changes and think cleanse should at most have a 0.1 second i-frame so it actually requires skill to negate things like tire and pulse how they probably intended it to be (oh and obviously it shouldnt boop or heal lol) also they should make her tp cd maybe 2 secs longer and make her ult charge rate significantly lower since you shouldnt have a insta fight win ult every 1.5 fights. maybe reduce her headshot multiplier in a later patch if those changes dont even out the support pickrate to 2.5x so she cant duel heroes like tracer as easily.
overall i think the patch was actually decent and that you are overreacting. there wasnt a change that made the game worse, no characters were unnecessarily over buffed or butchered (besides hog but like thats fine for now if the rework comes out for s3) and the things they addressed were addressed (soj mercy and hog one shot) got addressed.
I think they changed kiriko teleport samito to where like if Cassidy for example nades her she will still be stuck even after she tell pets or she will still be antinade from ana. This I saw from a ml7 video recently with ml7 crying that they nerfed her teleport
It was a bug it’s already been fixed
I get the frustration but I think you're underestimating these changes, you're right that Sojourn/Kiriko will stay at the top of the meta, but I think the tank changes are fairly significant. To me, it looks like they are trying to rein in Sojourn/Kiriko slowly, especially since we are just around the corner for Season 3 where more changes are coming, this is definitely temporary to see how much it actually effects them. While tank wise, I think this brings Ram/Queen up in the meta quite a lot, not to mention the Rein and Wrecking Ball changes that are already confirmed. Sojourn is definitely still too strong, but I like this change, messing with her synergy with Mercy, I do think the Railgun needs changes, like personally I think it shouldn't be able to headshot at all, but that's just me. And support wise, I believe it's good to rein in Kiriko's healing potential, making other supports like Ana have higher potential, while keeping Kiriko's strong utility. Yes, Suzu needs to be reined in as well, but could you imagine how bad Kiriko would be if they did both at the same time, but one was pulled back too much, she'd be trash, which is specifically what they've said they are trying to avoid doing with any hero. I believe Season 3 will have significant changes to all rolls. That is when the buffs will come that will change the meta. But we just have to wait and see. Maybe you'll be right, but personally I disagree with you.
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@@comedial6829 I'm not embarrassed at all, I do think Activision-Blizzard should be ashamed at the way they handle their games. But I believe in the dev's and their love for their game. I believe they are working hard to make the best game they can, despite their leadership.
they must have very good MJ in cali I bet
As to why Roadhog wasn’t nerfed earlier, Alex Dawson stated that there was a bug that prevented them from implementing the nerfs earlier
A bug?💀 unreal devs🤣
@@fullnelson4986 they explained it on Flats’ stream on it. I’m sure you have great insights to game development in order to criticize their apparent incompetence on this matter
When was this, cause i remember hotfixes not working but that was like season 1 and they already fixed it
@@acerola8867 It wasn’t the hot fix system, it was that certain heroes were unable to be changed due to an internal bug. They mention it on Flats’ stream
a bug called excuses lmao
You didn’t have to do the cowboys like that😢
I was a plat 2 Moira main and after hearing samito saying she was still broken I played her now I’m master 4 in just 1 day
I can’t wait to play some more Sig-Widow-Soj-Mercy-Kiri simulator tonight 😌
Sig over orisa?
I use to love this game
Honestly I haven't wanted to play ow since Xmas. I though things would be different but it's the same
Overwatch 2 is a game made for casuals. If you have that in mind, everything Blizzard does makes sense.
I think the only good changes are the Hog nerfs, one-shots are always unhealthy for the game, so I agree with that change, but the other changes don't really do anything, glad I wasn't the only one that thought that way. Sojourn still one-shots because they didn't nerf the cause of the problem, Mercy, and Kiriko still has Suzu maybe charges ult slightly slower because of the healing per second reduction. Orisa's cooldown cycle didn't change so a smart one can always live through everything anyway. I really wish Samito was on the balance team, maybe even lead, he understands how the game works and would be 1000x better balance-wise and maybe OW2 would never have needed to happen. If they hired people that actually played the game or similar games professionally or at a high level like Valorant does, OW would be top of the market right now.
I think one shots are fine but only on one condition. Self risk. Rein charge is fine as a one shot as he has no mobility and using it puts him at extreme risk. Add on that you still have to reach the person and aim well. That sort of one shot is fine. Fishing one shots from Pluto isn't good.
There are a lot of things that are not healthy in the game right now, its just that certain heroes were standing out too much due to them being overtuned, there are still so many issues to address. And while the change to hog is good, Orisa is still a raid boss and it makes no sense that they gave her a nerf which probably does nothing in the grand scheme of things. Sojourn will still be a force to reckon with and outperform most dps, widow will start to become more of an issue since she can literally one tap a majority of the roster literally from Pluto and I would say that its not that hard to click heads on a hitscan at long range since you only need to make small movements to track or flick to a head and the only way to effectively counter her would be to mirror her and possibly swap out your tank and literally change the way you play the game cos of one hero on the enemy team. Then there's sombra who is literally a throw pick right now and cassidy who doesnt do much in higher elos and then hanzos that just seem to get headshots without even intending when spamming an area due to the size of the arrow being as big as a log that is hurled towards you.
As a mercy player (not a one trick, I'm willing to play other supports too) I feel guilty for pocketing a sojourn and enabling her one shots :/
They dont need to nerf mercy to fix the sojourn oneshot issue. they fix the damage cap, just like they did with ashe. that is the problem.
@@aw_1890 it feels so bad to do but like i wanna win
....Yea, im gonna take a break from this channel. These changes were incremental which i prefer.
Yeah like I’m not saying blizzards balance isn’t shit, but anything
They do will have some side of the community upset.
@@God-Almighty Perfect example. have you played the game? Orisa change actually slowed her tempo a decent amount. You can burst her through gold if the team is coordinated. The Hog change made his still a threat by forcing cooldowns but not an instant team win. The sojourn changes have reduced her right click uptime by so much in my matches. Mercy doesnt exclusively pocket her anymore.
ITs not the truth to lie.
I find myself not wanting Kiriko more than Ana as a Tank main. If the enemy is running a tank like Rein, Ramattra or even Winston sometimes, they can literally roam free with 0 pressure from the back line if we have like Kiriko+Mercy for instance. If I'm against an Ana and for whatever reason my Kiriko isn't suzuing me whenever I get anti'd then it's just hell. Also Kiriko's tend to enter the DPS zone too often, where Ana players tend to offer more support inbetween their aggression.
I'm in the metal ranks so that's definitely the reason, but still, I feel like Kiriko isn't very good unless she is specifically suzuing a Hog who CAN 1 shot any squishy. If Hog is having trouble landing those picks, I think Kiriko also gets less value. Also Nano is way better at creating space and securing kills than Kitsune Rush more often than not. I know Kitsune Rush is the "better" ultimate, but unless the Kiriko places it well then it can also be useless. Nano is very easy to play around and immediately gets immense value, particularly when put onto a tank player who can utilize it (ie me 😀). I used to be a support main all of OW1 and start of OW2 (switched to tank this season) and as someone who played a lot of Kiriko, she feels bad against the tanky tanks since she doesn't apply any pressure to them, specifically their shields or armor health. Kitsune Rush is also somewhat hard to get value with, even if you think you are placing it right, because your team has to follow up or it's useless (so the other side of the coin).
Basically I feel like Kiriko is pretty situational. I'm sure it's different in top 500, than down here in the metal ranks, but at the same time I've seen top 500 streamers play Kiriko and struggle with the same things I did. Like even if Rein is terrible, depending on your comp, if you have 0 shield pressure, he can feel unpunishable too. Kitsune Rush doesn't even benefit all the DPS heroes the same, so if you are running snipers with like a Sigma and Mercy or something, you literally might not be getting value from it (sure sigma might like it, but he can still miss).
The cowboys-dev team comparison is spot on. All hype, no real conviction to do better.
mans spitting truths
I feel like the chargers would be a better fit than the cowboys
surely season 3 will be better 💀
SURELY! I mean its literally their last chance before alot of people just quit again. I know i will be if its bad. Got my gm and top 500 im good tbh.
Yea I'm pretty much looking for a new game if season 3 doesn't fix this attrocity of balance issues. Every single 1 shot needs to be taken out of the game in 5v5. Or at least SEVERELY nerfed. At least we see hog nerfs
Now that roadhog has been Nerfed, now I'm gonna spam out nothing but orisa every match to replace roadhog
I would love if they lessened the aoe of suzu and removed the heal on it and gave her kunai more incentive to use.
Too soon for that cowboys joke maaaan
Sojourn is gonna be the brig of dps now, they'll take 27 nerfs and she'll still be meta
I’ve seen no change still play hog and orissa 😂 havnt changed a single play style
This patch is just a hot fix, its not supposed to be a huge balance patch. So it makes sense its only touching the dominant heros. They said thats what the season 3 patch is for. Not to mention the increased balancing after that