America's most famous knife got a SUPER STEEL | Ka-Bar USMC MagnaCut by Spartan
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Review the Ka-bar Becker BK-7, it is a tougher american knife
I'm sorry fellas as badly as I want a DBK knife it just is not worth $500 US to me, I could buy so many other knives with better steel and larger blades for less... I understand you have a limited amount but come on you chaps are knife nuts just like me so why would you price something so high?
Please do a review on the LT Right knives
The only Ka Bar knife that will hold up isn't a Ka Bar but a tribute knife done called Hinderer MK2 fighting knife. It has an actual full tang and it's in 3V.
Still a Better Love Story than Twilight
Any story is a better story than twilight.
Hands down
If you compare anything with the bottom of the barrel of course it will be better. Wonder if was sarcasm?!
Bought the DBK Knife last Friday got it on Tuesday this week.
It is my first "real" Knife, when i first heard you guys made your own Knife i knew i had to have one, been saving up for it for about 2 years, and i almost cried when it got here
Love you guys, amazing content keep it up
Thomas
Man that truly means a lot to us!! We REALLY hope it will serve you wel for the rest of your life because that’s what it’s designed for! Legend mate, you are a LEGEND
Now make a Burger with it 😁
@@user-jr2ue9nu6y Any burger would be honored to be sliced by a DBK knife!
You'd think they'd make the super steel KA-BAR full tang since they didn't use stacked leather.
Exactly, there is no need for this size tang with a proper handle
Yeah, they should've done their Harsey Fighter in Magnacut, since it's just a more modern take on the design. Hell, Ka-Bar could do it with the Becker BK-7 too since it's Becker's interpretation of the fighting knife.
@@jaysee2213 Not really about the size of the tang, more about the shape where the tang meets the blade. Terrible design that makes zero sense.
If you want a thick, truly full tang (not rat tail), combat/survival knife that looks virtually identical to a Ka-Bar then get the Springfield Armory Limited Edition Custom Clip Point Field Knife before they sell out. The best fighting/survival blade I have ever owned and that's really saying something since I own over 400 knives and daggers in my collection.
@@BigDaddySwingingMeat although I like the look, the overall length and blade to handle ratio of the kabar is a little too much for my liking. Currently the TOPS TB Tracker 1 is serving me well, although I'm not so sure about its fighting capabilities (it's a short, heavy bitch).
It is the 90° corners where the blade is reduced to the tang. These sharp corners are called "Stress Risers". These are well known to greatly weaken steel under dynamic loads. If you go back and look at Wako's X-rays you will see that Mora uses well radiused corners at it's tang transitions.
I like stuff that's cool
These corners were radiused, look closely
Do you have a link I can't find this knife anywhere
I thought most puukko makers grind them flat
Exactly, and until they get that right, every single blade built like that will continue to break everytime. Make an integral guard on a full tang, micarta scales or kraton and you wont have that problem.
If you laser cut 90° angeles where your tang begins; you're inviting faillures. The transition from blade to tang should never have a 90° angle in it; it just invites stress faillures. On the other hand; extremely few vietnam-era combat reports mention a USMC combat knife breaking. I've seen the difference between kabar and camillius producing the same knife. I'll take the camillius USMC any day over any kabar. It wasn't designed as a survival/ bushcrafting knife; it was designed as a military knife. You open ammo cans with it; you crack a coconut with it. If it breaks, you ask your buddy to lend you his; untill you ask a new one back at base. These were soldiers' abusing knives. Actually, I find the Cold steel SRK a much better soldiers knife.
Yup... ^THIS^
A sharp 90⁰ angle like that concentrates all the forces into exactly the point where it broke, but if it had just a small radius (like a 3 or 4mm radius, but the bigger the better really...) spanning the inside of that sharp 90⁰ (which could be hidden inside the polymer grip very easily) then these forces would be spread-out over a much larger area/volume of the steel and be absorbed much more easily 😁👍
Except if you look closely, it actually has rounded corners
@@Lurifaks707 Round notches in that spot making it more narrow than the tang itself
The rounded fillet at the tang is a bad design… it is a pinch fillet design, and while that is better than a sharp corner… It’s not as good as a standard fillet, which increases the thickness of the area.
The tang needs to be about 50-75% wider, and proper fillets.
I think Spartan Blades actually has a Ka-bar style knife that is built much more rugged.
It's not even just the 90 degree radius. Looks to me like they filed (or machined) in notches there, perhaps as a method of holding the guard close and secure to the ricasso.
Any knife maker (me included) can tell you that's a really bad idea.
You REALLY cannot catch a break with this knife. I know how much you wanted to love it for nostalgia's sake.
Hang in there boys...
hahaaha it's a damn love story ending in heart break
Martin's frowny face was the key moment in this video.
I think they make military knifes cheaply because they never actually expect you to live long enough on the battlefield to be able to use it. :(
Military contracts are awarded to the lowest bidder.
Ouch! You might be right, that's messed up.
Tell that to the fällkniven F1 😜
Well; there is never, ever, an occasion you would baton in the military either. Should’ve absolutely survived that, but a military knife is for cutting and potentially stabbing.
That wouldn't surprise me. Government's don't care about their soldiers beyond what they can do for them. Soldiers are disposable and basically mass produced by any mass population.
I love how a new steel comes out and everyone is charging hundreds for hype.
That’s actually a good thing; the snobs will go after the latest mumbo jumbo steel, raising their prices, while all the other steels that are just as valid or even better for the money, will go down in price.
@@certamen832 unfortunately, that’s not how it tends to work. Knife makers from production to custom have capitalized on the “fancy steel” market and the hype rarely matches the performance, but the price always matches the hype. That’s not to mention blade grind, thickness, and heat treat protocols which tend to be different from everyone.
And then never use it because "WTF?! Are you nuts? I paid $377 for this knife!"
I can honestly say that from collecting super budget knives to premium ones, a cheap knife can be just as good or better that an expensive one.
Especially good budget steels like 14c28n
Your vids are always epic, entertaining and make me smile dudes! THANK YOU...for real....appreciate the craft of delivery you have mastered.
Can’t believe this design flaw was taken for granted by Spartan blades, nobody sees this as Ka-bar actually but more as a Spartan blades, it will damage the brand name of Spartan more as it does to Ka-bar
I agree, they should have modified the design. They could have made this a full tang if they wanted but kept the same design as the original. Bad move on their part and they need to address it asap. I wouldn't buy a Spartan simply after watching this video alone.
Former Marine here. My first K-Bar didn’t make it through School of Infantry. It’s just not meant for survival or bush crafting. I bought a Gerber MK2 which I still have 20 years later and a decent hand axe. Never did use the MK2 in a fight, but I was a lot more confident in it than the K-Bar.
Why do knife makers remove so much metal from the tang its creating a weakness
@@johnthompson7105money
The D2 extreme, fighter, and tanto have a wider tang. It’s something like 5/8” wide vs 3/8” like on the USMC.
I come for the comedic relief. 😂
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Hello Mikkie and Maarten, was glad to hear they upgraded the Steel, but...😢!!! Send 'em your results, they should do a rethink, huh? Hey, do y'all know what ya never want to hear after a fart? "UH-OH"!! What's the definition of a surprise? A fart w/a lump in it!!!😂 Hope all's well with everyone/thing and that ya got a giggle! Be safe and take care, "God Bless", sincerely, Randy. 🙏😇👊
Sadness😢 I was really hoping for something halfway decent. Times change and knife makers need to change with the times. Great video guys. 😊🇺🇲
You guys sharpen my knife knowledge every single time!
Now PLEASE do a Rick Hinderer Kabar to show what a difference the tang can make between two iterations of the same design!
They done with ka-Bar
I can't even imagine the price . Generally when mediocre brands make an effort on materials they overcharge like mad.
Yeah they do and it makes me mad I don't like to be screwed American companies aren't looking good compared to foreign companies right now this is why!
@@jerrydonquixote5927 depends on the company... every country has companies that make good and bad knives.
@@MovieGuy666 true
I absolutely like your honest review.
Thanks guys for a great testing video!
It should have been made with at least 3/16" stock and a wider tang with a large radius transition. It also would have helped to anneal the tang a bit. as you mentioned, it's a design flaw.
There's a lot of comments here about 90 degree corners acting as a stress raiser. As an industrial designer let me pass some comment on things.
90 degree corners are quite bad as stress raisers but this situation is in fact much much worse. Not only does that area of the tang face the huge change in stiffness and strength as it drops down to the tang, the tang itself has no profile or distal taper that can help bend to distribute stresses. This means that it has to deal with all the bending loads from the blade and the tang of the knife. If this wasn't enough, this tang transition has a notch with a small raised section behind it that helps with keying of the handle during moulding. You might note a similarity of this structure to the little valleys in between blocks of chocolate. In that application they are placed there intentionally to predictably and repeatedly break at the same location with minimal force. And would you look at this! The kabar breaks predictably and repeatedly at the same structure with minimal force.
@DutchBushcraftKnives if you'd like to discuss issues in tang and blade design for a video let me know.
Take care,
Andrew and the team at Kailash
True that! exactly my thoughts. Its as much use as a chocolate teapot
I made a video about stress risers in Ka-Bar tangs about two years ago.
@@sheltermonkey6065 Great video! great to see some engineering effort put into explaining this issue to the community.
Damn guys really wanted that knife to be great. It wasn't even ok. You really helped me save some money.
I nearly pissed my pants when you broke it 🤣
Man, I had high hopes for this version but I I'm glad for the honest review.
Drill a hole in the broken end and turn it into a huge folder👍🏽
Your face when it broke! Fantastic reaction! 😂
I don't think anyone in the USA buys the Ka-Bar USMC as a survival knife. We buy it for home protection. I mean, it's a design from WWII that was primarily used for combat and digging holes. It is more of a collectors piece nowadays. Great video!
no one buys a mark 2 for home protection
They must do better! This was a huge embarrassment, hopefully they will listen to suggestions and fix the issue.
Mora/Hultafors fscking masterrace!
6:16 the Curb Your Enthusiam music started playing in my head.
Also! I love Lamnia but I wish the discount code came last week before I put in a large order for several knives! Ach well
I was ready to order one. Now I'm damn glad I decided to watch this first. Thanks!
Aw that’s a shame. I guess I’ll just stick with my Cold Steel SRK in 3V. 😎
It cost all of $150. 😅
Absolutely agree!
Yep.
Me three!
Holy balls, it’s been years since I’ve watched your channel. I’m so happy you guys still make videos.
That's Totally Awesome on breaking the knife. Nicely done!!🇺🇸🇺🇸🪓🔪👍👍
Get the Demko Freereign, only $200, made in usa and won't break like that
Such a shame. Ka-bar need to address this, alot of people buy these, thinking they are going to be able to rely on them when the SHTF.
If you're relying on a fighting knife for shtf then you probably can't be help and will be among the first casualties
There are Ka-Bar alternatives that give it a full tang, namely the Becker BK-7 and Spartan Blades Harsey Fighter (which is a lot more like the Ka-Bar design, but just full tang and newer grip design). There are certainly others that can do similar jobs that I'm not aware of.
@@jessejames3600fantasist.....
Eh God didn't show up when we buit the cathedrals, the zombie apocalypse keeps not happening, too. But an 8" field knife at this price really should not be so fragile, considering you can get multiples of knives that wouldn't and still have plenty of change from the same money
@@jessejames3600 its not even well dsgined for fighting tho
I demand at least 3 DBKs per week
Thank you guys for the test, saved me some money :)
6:17 a million words unspoken in that look😂😂
Thank you for testing, I was already trying to buy the knife…
Full tank is the way to go for me 😉🤙
They didn't even upgrade the blade/tang junction, it's still full of stress risers.
EDIT: LMAO I've just seen it broke during batoning... totally expected!
That has got to be one of the most hard-R-word looking blade shoulders I have ever seen in my entire life.
I assume the wide blade pressing on the guard is creating a pressure point at what I also assume are water jet cut 90° angles. So with something like batoning each time you hit it, the force on that rat tang is multiplied greatly because the pressure is going directly into that guard and doesn’t allow any flex. As far as the baseball bat test it’s just the weakest point on the knife. They really should offer an alternative design that is full tang straight through the guard and then add a pummel at the end if need be.
I know from watching you guys for awhile that this will be a controversial statement, but I trust my Gerber Strongarm over every USMC Ka-bar any day of the week. You guys are right it’s a poorly designed knife and breaks in the same spot (with minimal effort) every time. My FUD of a father thinks this is the best knife ever made…😂
I agree. I never thought much of Gerber, but the Strongarm is probably the best knife in my sizable collection. I’m a retired Army officer, but if I had to go to war today I would probably choose the Strongarm. I keep hoping they’ll go on sale so I can buy one or two more Strongarms.
Want to know whats crazy i love and I hate you guys at the same time . I always come back like a lost puppy looking for a treat 😁
I have a Ka-Bar made by Ka-Bar in the 1980's and an original PAL RH-36 (6 inch Ka-Bar version) made and used during WW 2. Even when the original knife is in pretty rough shape and has been in constant use for around 70 years, I still trust it more than the modern Ka-Bar. There's just something about the original knife that feels and works better. It might be the tool steel they used during the war or the hardening and tempering process or something that is wrong with the modern replicas. I don't know how to describe it, but if you ever get a chance to handle an original vs a modern replica, you will know what I mean.
I’ve had my MKI for over 40 years . I’ve never had an issue. There have been a lot of changes over the years . I guess I got lucky. It’s still a razor. 🤙
Ah man broke my heart when that knife broke... I love the Spartan company and really really expected more.
Great short show, don't think I'll be buying one of those anytime soon.👍👍
The fact that you called the sharpness BEFORE testing it is fire 🔥. Morakniv still the best
Ka-bar just essentially released a bk16 in magnacut, full tang and everything. Should do a review! It’s called the bk76 magnacut, I’m gonna get one as soon as I can, looks like a good bushcrafter
Thanks for saving me $400. I’d much rather have the DBK knife. Probably over any other knife I’ve ever seen.
"Or if you buy it as a collectible"
you can hear the frustration and disappointment in Maarten's voice
I've bought quite a few things from Lamnia and they were good with reasonable delivery prices
I made a video about stress risers in Ka-Bar tangs a while ago. Spartan Blades is getting the press they deserve with this video. The fact that they didn't design proper fillets into the tang is shocking.
Pretty cool video you made. It does look like they added corner relief cutouts on this one but I guess it still wasn't good enough. I'd be curious to see the simulation for this design.
If Spartan Blades made that knife , the design flaw IS their fault. Or are they just the supplier of the knife ?
This is the reason i went with an Esee 6 instead of a full sized kabar. I had the short kabar, and did some batoning with it successfully, smaller stuff. I wanted a larger knife, and i wanted to go with the kabar for the name and history because i am a US marine, but i chose the esee 6 because the size is similar, and the blade is thicker, along with the full tang design and their warranty provided. I may still get a full sized kabar because i still think its cool. I think the esee 6 will be a much better military use survival knife.
For years and years here in the USA it’s been common knowledge that the Kbar and the Air Force survival knife have a flawed design. I seen more than one break in to from just throwing the knife trying to get them to stick In a piece of wood. Should have been redesigned years ago
I have this same knife. I won't baton with it for the rat tail, at least not with anything but straight grained softer woods.. Magnacut is ht'ed harder, so it's more brittle than 1095. It's fairly tough for a stainless, but as is the case with most steels, the harder it is the better edge retention, but you sacrifice toughness. K390 is the only steel that seems to break that cycle, at least from the ones I have experience with.. It has incredible edge retention, but it's still very tough. It isn't stainless though, so, it's probably not for everyone.
6:02 In this moment he realizes that Ka-Bar F'd up...
Very interesting steel 👍
Thanks men...
Just saved me a fortune 👌
brace yourselves for "Well, it was never meant to be used like that." from the fan bois. Forget the fact that there are 50-dollar knives that can easily accomplish that task. KA-BARs were designed as cheap easily replaceable knives. Marines the Pacific would go through several in one campaign. My Granddad told me they used to have crates of them dropped off with the rations. They'd use and abuse them and then go get a new one from supply. Same when I served, I had a box of old surplus M7 Bayonets, 20 years ago you could buy them for 15 bucks a piece or 3 for 10 bucks a piece. if you bent it prying open an ammo crate, meh no big loss.
Same design flaw. No matter how good the steel it needs to be full tang!
But the mora did it just fine and wasn’t full tang. Maybe a better heat treatment?
Could it be an harmonics thing?
@@gamerguy6990 mora recesses the shoulders into the handle so the weakness is reinforced by the surrounding plastic. Kbar are setting the bar for konsistently kbad desing.
Any bowie maker worth his salt stamps or mills a slot in the guard for the shoulders to rest in but of course ktard dont do this becus they myk the guard out of 1mm thick mild steel. Even the awful muela bw22 and aitor oso negro has this feature...
... because DBK!
Puukko means knife in Finnish! 💖
🍻Thank you for your service
Hi guys! I was just wondering: have you ever thought of trying out the Ontario SP1? Seems like the "better Ka-Bar" in the market thus far, it would be interesting to see how well it holds up to your tests. Have a good one!
I have a Kabar USMC version in my collection simply because of the amazing history it was apart of.
thats where it still hits my soft spot as well
Don't cry. You expected that was going to break
I’m sure it’s been asked before and is unrelated, but you should look into LT Wright knives. Very interested to hear your opinions about them. They are American made and now use Magnacut as well. I also find their 3V to perform better than many others I have used. LT is what Bark River should be (used to be) in terms of quality, quality control and customer service without the online douche-bagginess!
You guys should give the Svord Von Tempsky a shot, I don't need other knives anymore lmfao. Absolute perfect bush thwacker!
Please review the Spartan-Harsey fighter from Pineland Cutlery. If you haven’t already. I think it’s the knife you’ve been searching for. All the good of the Ka Bar with none of the bad.
Wow, glad to see this video before I wasted my money on the K-Bar
And I was thinking about buying one of those.
I've got a Ka-Bar D2 Extreme but only for use on my battle belt. Got other tools for batoning and other such jobs.
Heat treated in North Carolina by American Metal Treating (AMT) Aka American metal and heat treating.
60-62 target around 61rc. For this specific model. Folders that are smaller may be different but they havent disclosed that information yet as far as i know.
I do beleive they use 2 liquid nitrogen cycles before each temper. Most brands do not do this at all.
I think the design flaw is where there is a small gap at the start of the tang to catch the guard. It's a stress point during heat treatment and becomes a very weak point during use.
no matter the steel though all our USMC knives broke on exactly that spot. Even for nostalgia you can change it in the design as it is hidden unde rthe handle
@@DutchBushcraftKnives correct. I agree. Larrin Thomas has an article on knifesteelnerds about this topic.
@@tacticalcenter8658may one get linked?
Thank you for saving me a ton of money!
Looking at the specs I wonder if you can find someone with a Rockwell tester because I highly doubt that magnacut is in the 61-63 range. Maybe it might hit 61 but I doubt it since it’s coated which why do that with stainless.
Thanks, boys! Saved me $335.
It still needs a wider tang, and better designed stress relief fillets at the blade to tang transition.
It’s an old design, and has been surpassed.
I think Spartan Blades has a Ka-bar style knife that is made with a full tang and thicker blade.
I like the aesthetics of the knife style though… I plan on getting a properly rugged version at some point. But I do have knives already that are better survival/camp knives.
We have the capabilitys to modernize and upgrade the tang design of the KA-BAR to make it a great bushcrafting knife. Its beyond me why this hasn't been done yet.
That made me feel for kabar. That’s too bad. Hopefully they upgrade the tang on this maganacut model after seeing this video. I’m glad to see they are trying new steels but damn.
was the guard right up against the wood? Could it be the guard placing extra stress on the tang as it was up against the wood, or do you think it would've been just as poor without it?
If the coating comes off the blade, or you take it off, just force a patina by coating the blade with mustard, wrap it with paper towels and leave it overnight.
Jeez,
Quality Control, Where Art Thou
The vegata clip 👌
Just saved me about $350 USD! Thanks!!
Get rid of the 90 degrees at the blade junction and differential heat treat the blade.
Notice the small notches either side of the tang junction why did they do that ? Regular ka bar doesn't have those
Ya Goddamn Bloody Legends!
Hey have you tried the camilus that the French forien legion knife .it be spelled camiluis
Ill take toughness over edge retention everyday.
Everyone with basic knife making knowledge knows the reason they cut these blanks then don't round the corners. Coldsteel had this problem with early recon scouts and a few other designs. Unlike other companies they fixed it.
Its amazing people fall for the steel mark-up.
I also find it funny a knife for survival doesn't survive.
What about the ontario SP1?
It looks like a tougher Kabar
The look on Martin's face said everything
Hahaha, the disappointment xD
I'm curious to see you guys try the D2 version
Finally :)