Another case where the pilots can’t actually fly the plane. A 4000 hour captain and a first officer, only a few weeks into the job. The captain was more keen to instruct the copilot, than he was to keep the plane in the air. I don’t think you need vast experience to know that ‘Low Terrain’ means pull up!
Were either of them actually instrument rated? I mean everything about this tells me the captain was flying entirely based on visual cues. He never once brought his head inside the cockpit during landing. Otherwise he would've seen he was too high for the glide slope, known that he was too low for an orbit maneuver, been able to see that his 360* turn was not fully completed, and known that his nose was pitch down. He literally ignored every instrument in the cockpit, including the auditory alerts that tell you to pay attention to the damn instruments and gain altitude immediately.
Personally, I felt this piloting crew was quite incompetant. Good grief!! They didn't know the SOP -- pretty much seemed like they 'did their own thing'. Sad. . . People died because of this. . . Excellent work, Allec!! Pray all is going well for you! 🙏🙏💖✈✈💖
Another EXCELLENT video AJ, I am glad to be a small part of your group and this channel is an absolute blessing to those of us that love aviation. Keep it going my friend!!
The Captain obviously hadn't got a clue, didn't respect his job, his crew or his passengers and had managed to get away with it on an Airbus that generally corrected his mistakes (yes, I'm assuming) This left him to BS his new inexperienced FO while performing an approach, and which left the FO with no opportunity, no understanding or no inclination to call the Captain out or even ask what's going on and what's happened to procedure. CRM training is all well and good in theory, but falls apart putting a crew like this together. I wonder what the Captain's score card looked like up to this crash. I suspect he was never called up on his previous failings, of which there were either probably many - or his ability was almost never inspected. God rest them all.
With Gulf Air if your father is rich or influential you can be a captain as soon as you qualify, assuming you do qualify and daddy doesn't just by you the license.
My mind is boggling at the non-reaction to the automated "Pull Up" warning. That should get instinctive, immediate response - because that alarm means you're about to die.
This should have been a standard landing but was complicated by the first missed approach. The captain just compounded the problem by making a series of bad decisions. Very tragic.
A passenger on the flight was a neighbor and a friend. Capt Shakeeb had a reputation for being a little arrogant I was told. RIP to all the victims and condolences to their families and loved ones 🤲
Such a low-time First Officer! And it sounded like the Captain was doing a bit of training of the "new kid". So much was wrong with this one, but mostly the same sorry old story of an unstabilized approach going very, very badly.
@@AllecJoshuaIbay I think he referred to MsFS2020 instead lol but either he meant you stand strong or he feels you should change. It's hard to tell from the context but your comment was good no matter which one it was, especially if he tried to drag you down for it 😎
This was a very inexperienced flight crew operating a complex Airbus A320 aircraft. With only 4400 hours, the Captain was still learning and an F/O with 600 hours probably should have been instructing in light aircraft. The odds were stacked against the passengers before departure, but they didn't realise because all pilots look the same walking through the terminal - they're not though.
I lived and worked in Bahrain for a few years in the 70s and early 80s so was a regular on GA. Every time after boarding the First Officer would usually make a welcome announcement and introduce his Captain. If the Captain's name was local then an audible groan would pass through the aircraft.
Not many hours of flight time for the crew and I'd say the first officer had no business being a FO. No call outs? Neither of them using their instruments rather relying on what they feel rather then what they know and this is poison I dont care who you are and your hours. There's 350k dollars worth of navigational equipment built into these planes for a reason!
I remember this one very well. Easy to fly airplane with nothing wrong, VFR conditions and an empty suit Captain. Sadly he is the reason for 143 tombstones.
An added benefit of your videos, Allecc Joshua, is to warn others what NOT airlines to fly on. Years ago, I took a trip on Egypt Air from Cairo to Abu Simbel for a Nile River Cruise departure AT Abu Simbel. A B737-200. As a pilot, I requested jumpseat access, because ...well, I wanted to be safe. The Captain was gracious, he was ex- Egyptian Air Force and very competent. His FO was low time, in training. All went well, of course
Guessing that the perfect weather combined with the 100% functional AB320-200 were the proximate cause of the Pilots’ lackadaisical approach to the approach.
I would call this a "normalization of deviance" in full development. Low crew hours, immaturity, and bravado, are the sisters of death. These guys would not have benefited from CRM training, they were too young and inexperienced. This is a big problem caused by pilot shortages and preferential treatment of candidates in undisciplined cultures, IMO.
I’ve watched all of the videos on this channel. In this one, the combined flight hours of these two pilots was only about 5000, the lowest number of any pilot combo on a plane carrying more than 100 passengers. Coincidence or did lack of pilot experience cause this crash? is there a minimum number of flight hours required for pilots before they fly large passenger planes?
I watch your videos every week and I just (belatedly) subscribed. Great stuff! Love it. Good job. But I have to ask… what’s with the red skies? I’ve never, ever, seen anything like it in real life. Have you? :) But that’s okay! Carry on, Allec! And, at the risk of being labeled a horrible xenophobic Uhmurkin… why do so many of these crashes outside of the USA and Europe involve an arrogant old-man captain lording it over a first officer who’s barely out of his/her diapers? Recurring theme. Used to happen in the USA… like 60 years ago.
Very sad, maybe a more experienced crew would have taken all the clues into account - even if they felt they were climbing too steeply, they were definitely not getting any kind of stall warning. Quite the opposite - dropping the nose when you have an overspeed warning just sounds wrong. They didn't say anything to indicate they thought the instruments or warnings were faulty. RIP passengers and crew
Great job Allec. A sad tragedy that needn’t have happened because the pilots did not have sufficient experience to prevent it. RIP to all involved. Great work from you sir…
I remember this one quite well- I had been on a working holiday in Australia and was due to fly back to the UK on the 24th of August with Emirates (another Middle Eastern airline, though with a better safety record than GA)....sobering to hear about this as you are about to fly halfway across the planet.
I had a similar experience one time. I was sitting on a plane waiting to take off, and I heard a couple of passengers referring to the Tenerife incident. Kind of disconcerting to hear of something like that as you are about to embark on a long flight!!
Whatever you say, although technically true, this crew messed it up completely. The first officer was not experienced enough and he seems to have understood ... nothing while the captain was in fact not able to fly manually an aircraft in IMC. He should have been driving a taxi instead of being a pilot. Sad.
Wow! Another SUPER Awesome video Allec. What a great job you did. This was incredibly detailed and technical. Very impressive! Keep up the fantastic work! As for this pilot, the thing I am most stumped about was how in the world did he accumulate 4400 hours and not crash a plane until this?? Were they all in a simulator? He seemed completely clueless. WOW! I feel very sorry for the FO to have to have been subjected to this idiot, and henceforth lose his life as a result. And of course, so tragic for the passengers. I just cannot fathom how this guy could be allowed to fly! Wow, just Wow!
I noticed that many pilots ignore the alerts, now I understand why I like to flight during time day, so many accidents happen during the night, pilots tired, poor visibility
When we had 'Arab' crew members as First Officers they did not have the sparkle of our normal RAF trained crew, but instead had to be asked for information - for example height or speed. In a dust storm it's like being in thick fog and you are 'feeling' the aircraft, his information enables you to concentrate on the vital 'mechanical' parts of flying. Elsewhere I was always glad to fly with one of our ex Luftwaffe pilots who knew and could anticipate each move. On this clip well and non emotionally told surely both pilots will have carried out landings elsewhere?
then people wonder why I will never fly again...if I can not drive or walk there, I do not need to be there....thanks to TH-cam for allowing all these videos like this to be posted 🙂
THE FLYING CREW WAS VERY INCOMPETENT.IN THAT PART OF WORKD THEY HV NO CRITERIA FOR FLYING .FIRST OFFICER ONLY 500 HOURS OF FLYING WT A SHAME.THEY WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR WHOLE OF MASCAR.
The extensive control inputs made in error by the Captain aside, how did neither pilot notice they were flying over 70 KNOTS TOO FAST, 1st of all?!? 2nd, the failure to monitor their altitude during the initial go-around was beyond egregious. Finally, WHY WAS A 1ST OFFICER W/ONLY 608 HRS PAIRED W/A CAPTAIN WHO WAS FAIRLY GREEN HIMSELF W/LESS THAN 5,OOO HRS?? What's goin on over there Gulf Air??🤔🧐
From pride of the Middle East to disaster in 10 or so years. Gulf Airs' transition through Bahrainisation was far too swift, ill thought out and was complicit in the airlines rapid demise at that time. Crew and back room staff promoted on the basis of connections not ability or experience. CRM ? Neither fully understood or followed. The FO would not have dared open his mouth such was the arrogance of some of the chosen few. So avoidable...still so sad...RIP my dear friends both cabin crew and pax .. your are still missed.
At my airline, we were to be established in landing configuration, on Vref speed, at 1000 AGL, or else it was considered "unstabilized" and a Go-Around would be performed. This Captain, Pilot Flying it seems, with a low-time FO? Bad combination.
1st Crew Resources Management, again!? Aviation accidents investigation, are supposed to avoid repeating the same mistakes and design flaws, but this CRM keeps coming up, over and over again, why? 2nd, somatogravic illusion is another repeated, human related accident cause. These are supposedly highly proficient IFR certified pilots! Are we to believe that there is no training to keep the pilots aware of these sensory illusions? Then, why this problem keeps popping up in IFR approaches?
> CRM keeps coming up, over and over again, why? cultural factors fostering hierarchy and deference to authority...individual arrogance encouraged by long years of experience...the tendency to hyperfocus on matters not strictly related to flying the damn plane...
I believe Gulf air was set up by British Airways who supplied the staff originally. I have flown Gulf air many times in the 1980's without mishap except for an engine fire on a flight from Dubai to London which necessitated a swift landing at Doha. Knowing how things worked back then, there was a tendency to Arabise as quickly as possible, resulting in raw and inexperienced staff being rushed through the system.
They get a pull up warning and they don't even cross check the altitude and sink rate while pulling back on the yoke like their life depended on it (It did!!!) appalling incompetence.
What a poor crew performance. Way too fast during the whole approach, never stabilised. This is not uncommon when you have First Officers flying commercial jets with less than 1,000 hours experience. When I got my first airline job I had 3,500 hours on multi engine aircraft and that was to fly an F-27. In my opinion having only around 500 hours and flying commercial RPT operations in the right seat is nothing short of dangerous.
Oh Lord, a repeat of Saudi Flight 163 20 years later?! 🤦🏾♂️ Least the pilots of 163 didn’t crash the plane. But still the same type of incompetence. 😐
A copilot with 600 hours total flight time and a nincompoop Captain ignoring SOPs and playing with the plane like he's in a video game. Those poor passengers...in the hands of a novice and an idiot. What a shame.
after the amount of dumbf**kness exhibed by the Captain and the inexperience of the First Officer, the final pitch down after an Overspeed alert and the pull up warning, made me think... wasn't he drunk and/or high?
I remember when this crash happened. I heard about it in the news. My Dad and sister were going to fly out to Halifax that afternoon. I didn't want to mention the crash, but asked if they knew what kind of plane they'd be on. However on the drive to the airport, the car's radio was tuned to a news station that mentioned the crash.
Another case where the pilots can’t actually fly the plane. A 4000 hour captain and a first officer, only a few weeks into the job. The captain was more keen to instruct the copilot, than he was to keep the plane in the air. I don’t think you need vast experience to know that ‘Low Terrain’ means pull up!
Yup, the alarm literally says "PULL UP"!
Unless its aeroperu 603
@@bardockdbzfan6299 that's very specific
This is so scary and sad, also very preventable. Hurts my heart that this happened.
Were either of them actually instrument rated? I mean everything about this tells me the captain was flying entirely based on visual cues. He never once brought his head inside the cockpit during landing. Otherwise he would've seen he was too high for the glide slope, known that he was too low for an orbit maneuver, been able to see that his 360* turn was not fully completed, and known that his nose was pitch down. He literally ignored every instrument in the cockpit, including the auditory alerts that tell you to pay attention to the damn instruments and gain altitude immediately.
What was set like a normal approach and landing turned into a nightmare of errors and negligence. RIP to all who lost their lives in Flight 72
Personally, I felt this piloting crew was quite incompetant. Good grief!! They didn't know the SOP -- pretty much seemed like they 'did their own thing'. Sad. . . People died because of this. . . Excellent work, Allec!! Pray all is going well for you! 🙏🙏💖✈✈💖
Personally? Aren't all comments, personal? SOP?
@@Capecodham I believe SOP = Standard Operating Procedures
@@zBrainlezz Then why didn't she say that?
Another EXCELLENT video AJ, I am glad to be a small part of your group and this channel is an absolute blessing to those of us that love aviation. Keep it going my friend!!
Agreed!
Barely 5,000 hours combined between Captain and First Officer. How many hours do you normally need to be promoted to Captain?
way more than 5k hours of flying time tbh
The Captain obviously hadn't got a clue, didn't respect his job, his crew or his passengers and had managed to get away with it on an Airbus that generally corrected his mistakes (yes, I'm assuming)
This left him to BS his new inexperienced FO while performing an approach, and which left the FO with no opportunity, no understanding or no inclination to call the Captain out or even ask what's going on and what's happened to procedure.
CRM training is all well and good in theory, but falls apart putting a crew like this together.
I wonder what the Captain's score card looked like up to this crash. I suspect he was never called up on his previous failings, of which there were either probably many - or his ability was almost never inspected.
God rest them all.
With Gulf Air if your father is rich or influential you can be a captain as soon as you qualify, assuming you do qualify and daddy doesn't just by you the license.
@@Ricimer671 Buy
@@anthonymichalski9015 I know, I realised as soon as I pressed send and couldn't be arsed to edit.
My mind is boggling at the non-reaction to the automated "Pull Up" warning. That should get instinctive, immediate response - because that alarm means you're about to die.
This should have been a standard landing but was complicated by the first missed approach. The captain just compounded the problem by making a series of bad decisions. Very tragic.
A passenger on the flight was a neighbor and a friend. Capt Shakeeb had a reputation for being a little arrogant I was told. RIP to all the victims and condolences to their families and loved ones 🤲
No gives a bit about your RIP
Such a low-time First Officer! And it sounded like the Captain was doing a bit of training of the "new kid". So much was wrong with this one, but mostly the same sorry old story of an unstabilized approach going very, very badly.
My man is still out here years later making FS2004 vids
Always and consistently
@@AllecJoshuaIbay I think he referred to MsFS2020 instead lol but either he meant you stand strong or he feels you should change. It's hard to tell from the context but your comment was good no matter which one it was, especially if he tried to drag you down for it 😎
@@AllecJoshuaIbay you are legend of crash simulation in TH-cam 👍
@@AllecJoshuaIbay champ
@@Fluffy-Fluffy never
RIP
To the passengers and crew of Gulf Air Flight 072
The crew’s tombstones reading “See! I told you we needed more training” would have been appropriate.
Yes. The airline was just as responsible for this as the crew. Sending an inexperienced crew on a night flight was the first mistake.
This was a very inexperienced flight crew operating a complex Airbus A320 aircraft. With only 4400 hours, the Captain was still learning and an F/O with 600 hours probably should have been instructing in light aircraft. The odds were stacked against the passengers before departure, but they didn't realise because all pilots look the same walking through the terminal - they're not though.
I lived and worked in Bahrain for a few years in the 70s and early 80s so was a regular on GA. Every time after boarding the First Officer would usually make a welcome announcement and introduce his Captain. If the Captain's name was local then an audible groan would pass through the aircraft.
All that shows is your attitude towards "locals". Only whites should fly planes, amiright?
Not many hours of flight time for the crew and I'd say the first officer had no business being a FO. No call outs? Neither of them using their instruments rather relying on what they feel rather then what they know and this is poison I dont care who you are and your hours. There's 350k dollars worth of navigational equipment built into these planes for a reason!
My old boss used to say "You can cater for fools, you can cater for damn fools, but you can't cater for bloody damn fools."
I remember this one very well. Easy to fly airplane with nothing wrong, VFR conditions and an empty suit Captain. Sadly he is the reason for 143 tombstones.
These Pilots especially the captain should never have been put in an airplane. Mistake after mistake after mistake!
What happened here is nothing short of massive incompetence.
Another plane doomed because of incompetence/inexperience in the cockpit.
Aileen Wood was killed in this crash, she was 28 and a good friend of mine, we worked together in a bar in Edinburgh for several years.
I love Allec's videos - so informative - but i'm never flying again.
Perhaps the best solution apart from upgrading procedures was to only use pilots with a damn sight more hours for night flyops.
Copilot with 600 hrs. Holy shit.
Captain not so much better. Most experienced crew member in this flight was autopilot - 6 years flight experience.
@@adamw.8579 Yes he was lacking as well by western standards. You tube search AirChina 981. Fucking scary.
@@adamw.8579 hahaha nice one
@@adamw.8579 😅👍🏻
@@adamw.8579 you made my day ! 🙏👍😉
I've been looking forward to this video
Researched it for so long, thank you 👍
"In response to the accident, investigators recommended to Gulf Air that they not do this again."
Still the most comprehensive documentation👍
good as always. I also offer my condolences to the deceased
These knuckleheads weren’t qualified to fly a turboprop from Detroit to Kalamazoo
YES YES YES waiting for this for a long time and I have requested u to do this flight.....thank you Alec and keep flying dude 👍
An added benefit of your videos, Allecc Joshua, is to warn others what NOT airlines to fly on. Years ago, I took a trip on Egypt Air from Cairo to Abu Simbel for a Nile River Cruise departure AT Abu Simbel. A B737-200. As a pilot, I requested jumpseat access, because ...well, I wanted to be safe. The Captain was gracious, he was ex- Egyptian Air Force and very competent. His FO was low time, in training. All went well, of course
Excellent job Allec!
So sad for all those who lost their lives due to the captain's ego/attitude.
Guessing that the perfect weather combined with the 100% functional AB320-200 were the proximate cause of the Pilots’ lackadaisical approach to the approach.
I would call this a "normalization of deviance" in full development. Low crew hours, immaturity, and bravado, are the sisters of death. These guys would not have benefited from CRM training, they were too young and inexperienced. This is a big problem caused by pilot shortages and preferential treatment of candidates in undisciplined cultures, IMO.
You nailed it.
'Undisciplined cultures'? What exactly is that?
@@milinbel Two arabs.
I’ve watched all of the videos on this channel. In this one, the combined flight hours of these two pilots was only about 5000, the lowest number of any pilot combo on a plane carrying more than 100 passengers. Coincidence or did lack of pilot experience cause this crash? is there a minimum number of flight hours required for pilots before they fly large passenger planes?
My understanding is that it is 1500 hours in the USA.
It's a miracle this Captain crashed a plane much earlier...
I watch your videos every week and I just (belatedly) subscribed. Great stuff! Love it. Good job. But I have to ask… what’s with the red skies? I’ve never, ever, seen anything like it in real life. Have you? :) But that’s okay! Carry on, Allec!
And, at the risk of being labeled a horrible xenophobic Uhmurkin… why do so many of these crashes outside of the USA and Europe involve an arrogant old-man captain lording it over a first officer who’s barely out of his/her diapers? Recurring theme. Used to happen in the USA… like 60 years ago.
Very sad, maybe a more experienced crew would have taken all the clues into account - even if they felt they were climbing too steeply, they were definitely not getting any kind of stall warning. Quite the opposite - dropping the nose when you have an overspeed warning just sounds wrong. They didn't say anything to indicate they thought the instruments or warnings were faulty. RIP passengers and crew
If I’d had known that both of them were that inexperienced, I would have gotten off of the plane.
Great job Allec. A sad tragedy that needn’t have happened because the pilots did not have sufficient experience to prevent it. RIP to all involved. Great work from you sir…
Not one of the passengers ever dreamed that someone would be fishing them out of the Persian gulf.
it is Arabian Gulf
May wanna watch the video.
@@os2647 yes it's arabian gulf
I remember this one quite well- I had been on a working holiday in Australia and was due to fly back to the UK on the 24th of August with Emirates (another Middle Eastern airline, though with a better safety record than GA)....sobering to hear about this as you are about to fly halfway across the planet.
I had a similar experience one time. I was sitting on a plane waiting to take off, and I heard a couple of passengers referring to the Tenerife incident. Kind of disconcerting to hear of something like that as you are about to embark on a long flight!!
Inexperience and over reliance on automation. An easy trap to fall into.
One thing is clear that the crew was very disoriented after they couldn't align the aircraft with the runaway on time
When the plane was in mid flight..It is like both these pilots suddenly forgot how to land a plane!?
Whatever you say, although technically true, this crew messed it up completely. The first officer was not experienced enough and he seems to have understood ... nothing while the captain was in fact not able to fly manually an aircraft in IMC. He should have been driving a taxi instead of being a pilot. Sad.
Another great video well done
Wow! Another SUPER Awesome video Allec. What a great job you did. This was incredibly detailed and technical. Very impressive! Keep up the fantastic work! As for this pilot, the thing I am most stumped about was how in the world did he accumulate 4400 hours and not crash a plane until this?? Were they all in a simulator? He seemed completely clueless. WOW! I feel very sorry for the FO to have to have been subjected to this idiot, and henceforth lose his life as a result. And of course, so tragic for the passengers. I just cannot fathom how this guy could be allowed to fly! Wow, just Wow!
Finally a video on GF crash .. Thanks Allec 👌👋
GF?
@@Capecodham GF...Y
Another excellent video, thank you!!
Your content is much better than The Flight Channel
Poor airmanship on the part of both pilots. Condolences to all that were lost :(
I had to watch this one twice. Pretty clear nobody in the cockpit knew what the **** he was doing.
Nicely done, Allec. It is obvious to me that the pilots were horribly incompetent.
Yo allec , May I ask where you download your planes from ?
Seems like neither one of the pilots should have been flying without an experienced pilot in command 🤷♂️😏
Let no pilot's soul cry out, "Had I the proper training..."
I noticed that many pilots ignore the alerts, now I understand why I like to flight during time day, so many accidents happen during the night, pilots tired, poor visibility
How did the captain ever accumulate 4,400 hours of flying time? Sheer luck. Complete incompetence.
To die at the hands of these two incompetent pilots, how sad.
Maybe the pilots were too habituated to fly with the autopilot set on, that them lose yours manual flight skills.
It’s a sorry outlook if a pilot with only 600 hours has already lost his piloting skills due to automation! I suspect he never had any.
Rest In Peace! 💐
JustPlanes, from video is, Plane Spotting in Dubai 1999
Those pilots didn't follow directions or perform the required skills 🤦♂️😭
another good one, thanks.
When we had 'Arab' crew members as First Officers they did not have the sparkle of our normal RAF trained crew, but instead had to be asked for information - for example height or speed. In a dust storm it's like being in thick fog and you are 'feeling' the aircraft, his information enables you to concentrate on the vital 'mechanical' parts of flying. Elsewhere I was always glad to fly with one of our ex Luftwaffe pilots who knew and could anticipate each move. On this clip well and non emotionally told surely both pilots will have carried out landings elsewhere?
It sounds like they drove it like they stole it. The people in the back had to be going through hell. Rip to those people.
Great videos, but maybe turn down the engine noise in the beginning. I have to turn down my headset every time.
So sad for the passengers to have pilots like these guys flying them. Seems like they were still learning to fly the plane
then people wonder why I will never fly again...if I can not drive or walk there, I do not need to be there....thanks to TH-cam for allowing all these
videos like this to be posted 🙂
In the USA flying main carriers has been and remains the safest form of transportation. However, It is also the most frustrating.
Need to observe and trust your instruments more than you trust your own gut feelings. The instruments are the facts. Facts don't care about feelings.
THE FLYING CREW WAS VERY INCOMPETENT.IN THAT PART OF WORKD THEY HV NO CRITERIA FOR FLYING .FIRST OFFICER ONLY 500 HOURS OF FLYING WT A SHAME.THEY WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR WHOLE OF MASCAR.
500 hours is like 10 weeks?
The extensive control inputs made in error by the Captain aside, how did neither pilot notice they were flying over 70 KNOTS TOO FAST, 1st of all?!? 2nd, the failure to monitor their altitude during the initial go-around was beyond egregious. Finally, WHY WAS A 1ST OFFICER W/ONLY 608 HRS PAIRED W/A CAPTAIN WHO WAS FAIRLY GREEN HIMSELF W/LESS THAN 5,OOO HRS?? What's goin on over there Gulf Air??🤔🧐
Such an avoidable accident. Pilots should be more focused and make fewer mistakes. Rest In Peace to all the passengers and crew.
From pride of the Middle East to disaster in 10 or so years. Gulf Airs' transition through Bahrainisation was far too swift, ill thought out and was complicit in the airlines rapid demise at that time. Crew and back room staff promoted on the basis of connections not ability or experience. CRM ? Neither fully understood or followed. The FO would not have dared open his mouth such was the arrogance of some of the chosen few. So avoidable...still so sad...RIP my dear friends both cabin crew and pax .. your are still missed.
Autopilot was the best pilot among them. Unbelievable the way they managed to crash it.
Flight instrumentation was developed for a reason, not just to look fancy.
Happened just one month after the Concorde crash. Not a good time in aviation history.
It was like some say, the plane got away from them.
At my airline, we were to be established in landing configuration, on Vref speed, at 1000 AGL, or else it was considered "unstabilized" and a Go-Around would be performed. This Captain, Pilot Flying it seems, with a low-time FO? Bad combination.
3:28 320kts at 9 miles? How exactly did they think this was going to work?
One of the best
What was the point of that dive ?
Bahrain! Let's go.
A co-pilot that's 25 and has 608 flying hours? Very low standards.
1st Crew Resources Management, again!? Aviation accidents investigation, are supposed to avoid repeating the same mistakes and design flaws, but this CRM keeps coming up, over and over again, why?
2nd, somatogravic illusion is another repeated, human related accident cause. These are supposedly highly proficient IFR certified pilots! Are we to believe that there is no training to keep the pilots aware of these sensory illusions? Then, why this problem keeps popping up in IFR approaches?
> CRM keeps coming up, over and over again, why?
cultural factors fostering hierarchy and deference to authority...individual arrogance encouraged by long years of experience...the tendency to hyperfocus on matters not strictly related to flying the damn plane...
If ONLY they had flight instruments, such as, oh, altimeter, airspeed, rate of descent.
Lot polish airlines 5055 next?
I believe Gulf air was set up by British Airways who supplied the staff originally. I have flown Gulf air many times in the 1980's without mishap except for an engine fire on a flight from Dubai to London which necessitated a swift landing at Doha. Knowing how things worked back then, there was a tendency to Arabise as quickly as possible, resulting in raw and inexperienced staff being rushed through the system.
They get a pull up warning and they don't even cross check the altitude and sink rate while pulling back on the yoke like their life depended on it (It did!!!) appalling incompetence.
What an ass!! The plane was shouting "Pull up," but the captain pulled it down!(?)
My bag is damaged with gulf airline can you please help i have done complaints in airport itself
What a poor crew performance. Way too fast during the whole approach, never stabilised. This is not uncommon when you have First Officers flying commercial jets with less than 1,000 hours experience. When I got my first airline job I had 3,500 hours on multi engine aircraft and that was to fly an F-27. In my opinion having only around 500 hours and flying commercial RPT operations in the right seat is nothing short of dangerous.
Oh Lord, a repeat of Saudi Flight 163 20 years later?! 🤦🏾♂️ Least the pilots of 163 didn’t crash the plane. But still the same type of incompetence. 😐
A copilot with 600 hours total flight time and a nincompoop Captain ignoring SOPs and playing with the plane like he's in a video game. Those poor passengers...in the hands of a novice and an idiot. What a shame.
after the amount of dumbf**kness exhibed by the Captain and the inexperience of the First Officer, the final pitch down after an Overspeed alert and the pull up warning, made me think... wasn't he drunk and/or high?
Islamic cultures frown on substance use, aviation is stringently against it, but anything is possible.
Can you make Japan Air System flight 451,please
Total incompetence
I remember when this crash happened. I heard about it in the news. My Dad and sister were going to fly out to Halifax that afternoon. I didn't want to mention the crash, but asked if they knew what kind of plane they'd be on. However on the drive to the airport, the car's radio was tuned to a news station that mentioned the crash.
Captain seems to be showing off a bit. Tragic outcome.