Even at 4MP, the image quality was outstandingly good. You should make commercial version of this. There is a huge need for a good quality telecine machine. The Wolverine telecine is a bitter disappointment and not worth using. If you wanted to consider a Kickstarter project, I'd be interested in having a chat. I reckon there could be Standard 8/Super 8 version and one that also does 8mm and16mm.
Very good quality image from a very nice DIY. The machinery is very well made. I wish this kind of equipment was available at a reasonable price, but I can tell you spent a great deal of time and talent on this project.
@@variopancolar6487 Sony alpha 6300 can shoot with electronic shutter.You can certainly do 3 or even 4 exposures per second, i just tested this (just turn off auto-review). Maybe some of the newer viewfinderless alpha models are just as good for your purpose and cheaper. I heard nikon 1 series also does electronic shutter, don't have one, can't test, and it's a rather funky format.
@@matthiasmartin1975 Sure, but it does not make much sense to build a scanner on your own to save money and then spend several hundred Euros for a camera. ;)
@@variopancolar6487 It _does_ make sense, because what you built cannot be bought for less than a few thousand euros, not in this quality. There are now 450€ chinese built machines like th-cam.com/video/OFtP8KC6wDI/w-d-xo.html but the film transport is just barely good enough and the camera used is very basic. Very good for doing commercial transfers, but not good enough to preserve the quality of the film. By the way, you are using a lens that is worth 2000€ according to ebay ;-).
MAYBE HE NEED MONEY FOR DEVELOPMENT IDEAS AND FACTORY? BILL GATE IS VERY KIND MAN AND HAVE A LOT OF DOLLARS AND CAN BE DONOR FOR GIFTED AND TALENTED. GOOD LUCK.
Excellent work. There is a desperate need in the market for a high quality 8mm film scanning solution. The Wolverine and all other similar machines appear to all use the same low-quality parts, and the results are disappointing. My current best solution is to project onto cardstock on the wall and video with a miniDV camcorder in real time. The variable-speed projector lets me find a speed that minimizes flicker. The result is ok, but focus is soft, brights are blown out, and the edges are often dark. Still, it results in twice the resolution of the terrible Wolverine. It kills me to use this technique, though, because I know that scanning each frame is the right approach, and I have many scanning elements that would work fine--my iPhone 14, a flatbed scanner, etc. As you have demonstrated, the tricky part is getting the film to feed reliably. Even scanning an entire roll into a single, long image ("ribbon scanning") would work fine, since modern software would have no problem slicing the long image into the individual frames and aligning them. There must surely be someone who could build a super 8 scanner with high quality optics for under $1000.
The quality in general is quite good, but it didn’t turn out very well with overexposure. Either you need to shoot in RAW, or dim the lamp brightness. Or both. Another interesting question is the use of an ND filter for digitization. As for the clarity (not sharpness) of the image, there is a feeling that it should be 15 percent better. I mean to extract the quality from the film completely.
you are great. you have created a fabulous machine. i bought a SOMIKON, and i regret it bitterly. crying is of little use. please forgive my bad english.Anyway congrats for your machine
Outstanding. Did you build the claw mechanism by yourself or did you scavenge it from a camera or projector? If yes which camera model could have such a mechanism? I only have a handful of family reels to transfer so I cannot go all out like this build, but if I find the claw mechanism I think the rest of the setup can be more crude.
Hi!, Theres´s something I don´t understand... How can I set up the camera lens? I have a Nikon 1 J3 Camera with 2 different lenses and an extra nikon d5000 telephoto lens. could you help me with the setup?
@@variopancolar6487Thank´s for your fast response!. The lenses I have are: Nikon 1Nikkor 30-110 ED IF 1m/3.3ft Nikon 1Nikkor 10-30 IF Aspherical 0.2m/0.7ft Nikon DX AF-S Nikkor 55-200mm 1:4-5.6G ED 1.1m/3.61 ft 52 I see you have like an accordion. Do you think my lenses can work? or should I get one?
Доброго. Думаю фильмовый канал вы взяли из кинокамеры,цепочки с барабанами и зубчатыми колёсиками из кинопроектора. Я видел ещё применяют жидкость для устранения мелких царапин. Не думали об этом? Примеры я видел
I don't see the 'claw' moving away/out of the hole, after it drags the film over, and before it moves back. How does this happen? nicely done by the way!
@@variopancolar6487 I figured that. But I don’t see the hook moving up and down. Is the hook shaped like a sawtooth, and going back to position 1, the friction of the film guide keeps it from moving backward, and the angle of the tooth lets its slip back under the film while it goes back to position 1?
@Vario Pancolar awesome! I know it's just mechanics. But it's so cool! I have some Super 8 films I just paid to have tele-cine converted. I can't wait to see them. Thanks for sharing your awesome video! 🙏
@@variopancolar6487 Thank you! A Lomo camera or projector? It looks like the cameras don't have the same film gate as yours: th-cam.com/video/1aVb9C6lR7A/w-d-xo.html
Are you disappointed after completing the project? I usually have mixed feelings; I'm happy with the results but sorry that the project is mostly worked out. Somewhat like losing an old friend. This is a very satisfying mechanism. Cheers!
This is amazing! I would have one question: When film accumulates in the takeup spool, it increases the diameter of the spool, hence it increases the length of film accumulated per rotation (in the beginning, let's say one rotation = 15 cm of film and by the end, you get 60 cm of film on the spool in one rotation). Therefore, the rotation speed of the takeup spool has to slow down as the scanning progresses. How did you manage that? Isn't the rotation speed constant? Thanks :)
Hello, Regarding the mechanism you hold at 0:15, is it directly like this when you extract it from the camera or did you customise it? Also, from which Lomo camera model did you get it : www.transfert-films-dvd.com/cameras-super-8-lomo/ Thanks :)
This particular film gate is from a Quartz 1x8 S, but this is not critical. You can use a film gates/transport mechanism from any Super 8 camera where the parts are MADE OF METAL. :)
@@variopancolar6487 Thanks. But the brass parts and the silver grey lid that blocks the film are not genuine right? You added them on the original gate?
@@variopancolar6487 Yes, the pressure plate and the system attaching it to the gate that allows it to go up and down. I have never seen this on Super 8 cameras.
@@AzurMoire To go up and down? :-D Yeah, of course Super 8 cameras don't have a pressure plate originally, since this plate is a part of the Super 8 cassette.
I would love to buy one of these. I want to shoot super 8 but I am tired of hollywood prices for film scanning. Can you make one for sale? thanks for your advice.
Converting a projector to a scanner for narrow film is quite easy, but the quality of the digitization is very unsatisfactory. Projectors simply have a very poor image quality - even high-quality devices. That shouldn't come as a surprise. A projector must have several contradicting properties at the same time. In particular, it should enable bright projections. This means that the actual image transport must take place as quickly as possible; because while it is being transported, the light throw is cut off in principle. The longer the dark phase, the darker we perceive the projection image. Nevertheless, the fact that the image should be transported as quickly as possible must be as gentle as possible. This means that the phase of accelerating and decelerating the film is designed to be "gentle". To achieve this, the control curve of the gripper is given a very special shape. Unfortunately, these efforts counteract the image status. The "dead centers" of the gripper arm lie quite flat, so that there can be a considerable reversal margin; that is, the film picture always remains in a slightly different place after each transport. Although these are only amounts of a few tens of micrometers, the slightly "prancing image" on the screen will tolerate a projection. When digitizing, however, this error is extremely disturbing. With the gripper system used here, which uses parts of a film camera, the reversal of a curve control is completely avoided. Unlike the projector, a film only runs through the scanner once, which is why other grippers can be used here (and in the camera). The second essential idea was to arrange the image stage horizontally so that a camera with bellows device could be built over it. This enables the phase images to be digitized precisely by microphotography. This would also circumvent this second weak point. A Zuiko 3.5 / 38mm and a Jena Mikrotar 4.5 / 45mm are used, which are specially designed for these imaging scales (around 1: 4.0 for APSC sensors). They make it possible to transmit almost 100% of the quality inherent in the Super 8 picture.
VERY STRONG, VERY GOOD. OFFER YOUR INVENTION FOR COMPANY IN CHINA WHO PRODUCE WOLVERINE AND BE CO DIRECTOR .THEY MAKE GARBAGE QUALITY, AND TAKE GOOD MONEY 300-400 DOLLARS FOR ONE PIECE. THANKS. YOU CAN BE BILLIONAIRE.
Wow, love it! Potential much better than the no-really-cheap film scanners on the market.
Even at 4MP, the image quality was outstandingly good. You should make commercial version of this. There is a huge need for a good quality telecine machine. The Wolverine telecine is a bitter disappointment and not worth using. If you wanted to consider a Kickstarter project, I'd be interested in having a chat. I reckon there could be Standard 8/Super 8 version and one that also does 8mm and16mm.
Very cool, especially since there is currently more and more interest in Super 8. Well Done!
I have just uploaded this video. You are very quick! :-D
@@variopancolar6487 Hallo, ich möchte Ihnen eine Maschine zum Scannen von 8 mm und mehr 8 mm kaufen
I come back to this video again and again, slowly gathering materials, skills, and parts to recreate what you did there. It is quite a journey.
Good luck :) But better start with such a solution: th-cam.com/video/O39vKnWzB_s/w-d-xo.html
@@variopancolar6487 Hallo, ich möchte Ihnen eine Maschine zum Scannen von 8 mm und mehr 8 mm kaufen
Downright impressive, great job and thank you for sharing.
All I can say is WOW! Nicely done!
Just brilliant work!
I love it. Pure steampunk technology
Very good quality image from a very nice DIY. The machinery is very well made. I wish this kind of equipment was available at a reasonable price, but I can tell you spent a great deal of time and talent on this project.
Thank you very much 😊
@@variopancolar6487 How much time and material did it take to make the unit, and have you considered making a version for 8mm (not Super-8)?
this is rad! the scan came out looking great
thank you :) But I need a better camera.
@@variopancolar6487 Sony alpha 6300 can shoot with electronic shutter.You can certainly do 3 or even 4 exposures per second, i just tested this (just turn off auto-review). Maybe some of the newer viewfinderless alpha models are just as good for your purpose and cheaper. I heard nikon 1 series also does electronic shutter, don't have one, can't test, and it's a rather funky format.
@@matthiasmartin1975 Sure, but it does not make much sense to build a scanner on your own to save money and then spend several hundred Euros for a camera. ;)
@@variopancolar6487 It _does_ make sense, because what you built cannot be bought for less than a few thousand euros, not in this quality. There are now 450€ chinese built machines like th-cam.com/video/OFtP8KC6wDI/w-d-xo.html but the film transport is just barely good enough and the camera used is very basic. Very good for doing commercial transfers, but not good enough to preserve the quality of the film. By the way, you are using a lens that is worth 2000€ according to ebay ;-).
well done. You should mass produce each component and sell a kit package for assembly.
MAYBE HE NEED MONEY FOR DEVELOPMENT IDEAS AND FACTORY? BILL GATE IS VERY KIND MAN AND HAVE A LOT OF DOLLARS AND CAN BE DONOR FOR GIFTED AND TALENTED. GOOD LUCK.
@@ikhilyangoldvekht4309 Kickstart it.
Excellent work. There is a desperate need in the market for a high quality 8mm film scanning solution. The Wolverine and all other similar machines appear to all use the same low-quality parts, and the results are disappointing. My current best solution is to project onto cardstock on the wall and video with a miniDV camcorder in real time. The variable-speed projector lets me find a speed that minimizes flicker. The result is ok, but focus is soft, brights are blown out, and the edges are often dark. Still, it results in twice the resolution of the terrible Wolverine. It kills me to use this technique, though, because I know that scanning each frame is the right approach, and I have many scanning elements that would work fine--my iPhone 14, a flatbed scanner, etc. As you have demonstrated, the tricky part is getting the film to feed reliably.
Even scanning an entire roll into a single, long image ("ribbon scanning") would work fine, since modern software would have no problem slicing the long image into the individual frames and aligning them.
There must surely be someone who could build a super 8 scanner with high quality optics for under $1000.
Absolutely fabulous! ⭐️
Very impressive results !
The quality in general is quite good, but it didn’t turn out very well with overexposure. Either you need to shoot in RAW, or dim the lamp brightness. Or both. Another interesting question is the use of an ND filter for digitization.
As for the clarity (not sharpness) of the image, there is a feeling that it should be 15 percent better. I mean to extract the quality from the film completely.
you are great. you have created a fabulous machine. i bought a SOMIKON, and i regret it bitterly. crying is of little use. please forgive my bad english.Anyway congrats for your machine
Thank you 🙂
Outstanding. Did you build the claw mechanism by yourself or did you scavenge it from a camera or projector? If yes which camera model could have such a mechanism? I only have a handful of family reels to transfer so I cannot go all out like this build, but if I find the claw mechanism I think the rest of the setup can be more crude.
It is from a camera 🙂
I absolutely need this for what I’m doing
genius!! great stuff
Great job! Very good result ;-)
Thank you 🙂
By the way, I think this is a direct frame by frame instead of telecine. At least as I understand the terms.
Hi!, Theres´s something I don´t understand... How can I set up the camera lens? I have a Nikon 1 J3 Camera with 2 different lenses and an extra nikon d5000 telephoto lens. could you help me with the setup?
3:36
@@variopancolar6487Thank´s for your fast response!.
The lenses I have are:
Nikon 1Nikkor 30-110 ED IF 1m/3.3ft
Nikon 1Nikkor 10-30 IF Aspherical 0.2m/0.7ft
Nikon DX AF-S Nikkor 55-200mm 1:4-5.6G ED 1.1m/3.61 ft 52
I see you have like an accordion. Do you think my lenses can work? or should I get one?
@@pepetono6374 🙈
You're a real movie buff!
So cool!
Is not a shutter going to be worn out soon?
Доброго. Думаю фильмовый канал вы взяли из кинокамеры,цепочки с барабанами и зубчатыми колёсиками из кинопроектора.
Я видел ещё применяют жидкость для устранения мелких царапин. Не думали об этом? Примеры я видел
I don't see the 'claw' moving away/out of the hole, after it drags the film over, and before it moves back. How does this happen? nicely done by the way!
This claw works on the principle of a rachet mechanism.
@@variopancolar6487 I figured that. But I don’t see the hook moving up and down. Is the hook shaped like a sawtooth, and going back to position 1, the friction of the film guide keeps it from moving backward, and the angle of the tooth lets its slip back under the film while it goes back to position 1?
@@BLT-Tech This is how many film transports in super 8 cameras work. :)
@Vario Pancolar awesome! I know it's just mechanics. But it's so cool! I have some Super 8 films I just paid to have tele-cine converted. I can't wait to see them. Thanks for sharing your awesome video! 🙏
@@variopancolar6487 Hallo, ich möchte Ihnen eine Maschine zum Scannen von 8 mm und mehr 8 mm kaufen
Thank you
Amazing!
Realment es-pec-ta-cu-lar!!!!!.. Enhorabona des de Barcelona! ;-)
Great result well done.You‘re from Germony ?The trancefair-result is an german Film.
I am from Görmöny ;-D
Hallo,Gruss aus BS.👍🥁
I need a high quality transfer machine like this! Do you have the plans so I can make my own. I would buy this from you if you were in Los Angeles!
If only you were near. I would let you scan my fathers entire super 8 collection digitized by you.
Genial, da sieht man erst, welche Qualität mit Super8 möglich war bzw. ist (natürlich kameraabhängig)!
nossa fiquei horas olhando isso. perfeito
Hi! Do you remember from which model of Super 8 camera you got the claw mechanism?
from a Lomo
@@variopancolar6487 Thank you! A Lomo camera or projector? It looks like the cameras don't have the same film gate as yours: th-cam.com/video/1aVb9C6lR7A/w-d-xo.html
You are SICK!
Excllent work!
Are you disappointed after completing the project? I usually have mixed feelings; I'm happy with the results but sorry that the project is mostly worked out. Somewhat like losing an old friend. This is a very satisfying mechanism. Cheers!
No, I start a new project imediatelly ;)
This is amazing! I would have one question:
When film accumulates in the takeup spool, it increases the diameter of the spool, hence it increases the length of film accumulated per rotation (in the beginning, let's say one rotation = 15 cm of film and by the end, you get 60 cm of film on the spool in one rotation). Therefore, the rotation speed of the takeup spool has to slow down as the scanning progresses. How did you manage that? Isn't the rotation speed constant?
Thanks :)
with a friction clutch
@@variopancolar6487 That's very ingenious. Do you have to change the gear manually? If not, how did you make it fully automatic?
@@variopancolar6487 Hallo, ich möchte Ihnen eine Maschine zum Scannen von 8 mm und mehr 8 mm kaufen
@@variopancolar6487 Hallo, ich möchte Ihnen eine Maschine zum Scannen von 8 mm und mehr 8 mm kaufen
Very nice
Hello,
Regarding the mechanism you hold at 0:15, is it directly like this when you extract it from the camera or did you customise it?
Also, from which Lomo camera model did you get it : www.transfert-films-dvd.com/cameras-super-8-lomo/
Thanks :)
This particular film gate is from a Quartz 1x8 S, but this is not critical. You can use a film gates/transport mechanism from any Super 8 camera where the parts are MADE OF METAL. :)
@@variopancolar6487 Thanks. But the brass parts and the silver grey lid that blocks the film are not genuine right? You added them on the original gate?
@@AzurMoire You mean the pressure plate??
@@variopancolar6487 Yes, the pressure plate and the system attaching it to the gate that allows it to go up and down. I have never seen this on Super 8 cameras.
@@AzurMoire To go up and down? :-D Yeah, of course Super 8 cameras don't have a pressure plate originally, since this plate is a part of the Super 8 cassette.
1000000 times bravo
Admire！
Muito bom
I would love to buy one of these. I want to shoot super 8 but I am tired of hollywood prices for film scanning. Can you make one for sale? thanks for your advice.
Or how to reinvent a super 8 projector available on Ebay for 20€...
Cool mechanism. I made one out of a Canon 8/Super 8 gate, exploring building the transport mechanism. Check it out.
Tutorial!
Converting a projector to a scanner for narrow film is quite easy, but the quality of the digitization is very unsatisfactory. Projectors simply have a very poor image quality - even high-quality devices. That shouldn't come as a surprise. A projector must have several contradicting properties at the same time. In particular, it should enable bright projections. This means that the actual image transport must take place as quickly as possible; because while it is being transported, the light throw is cut off in principle. The longer the dark phase, the darker we perceive the projection image. Nevertheless, the fact that the image should be transported as quickly as possible must be as gentle as possible. This means that the phase of accelerating and decelerating the film is designed to be "gentle". To achieve this, the control curve of the gripper is given a very special shape. Unfortunately, these efforts counteract the image status. The "dead centers" of the gripper arm lie quite flat, so that there can be a considerable reversal margin; that is, the film picture always remains in a slightly different place after each transport. Although these are only amounts of a few tens of micrometers, the slightly "prancing image" on the screen will tolerate a projection. When digitizing, however, this error is extremely disturbing.
With the gripper system used here, which uses parts of a film camera, the reversal of a curve control is completely avoided. Unlike the projector, a film only runs through the scanner once, which is why other grippers can be used here (and in the camera).
The second essential idea was to arrange the image stage horizontally so that a camera with bellows device could be built over it. This enables the phase images to be digitized precisely by microphotography. This would also circumvent this second weak point. A Zuiko 3.5 / 38mm and a Jena Mikrotar 4.5 / 45mm are used, which are specially designed for these imaging scales (around 1: 4.0 for APSC sensors). They make it possible to transmit almost 100% of the quality inherent in the Super 8 picture.
Do you considering selling this machine? Maybe you do not need it any more.
OMG. Buy a Wolverine.
hahahaha
You sir have to much time in your hands
VERY STRONG, VERY GOOD. OFFER YOUR INVENTION FOR COMPANY IN CHINA WHO PRODUCE WOLVERINE AND BE CO DIRECTOR .THEY MAKE GARBAGE QUALITY, AND TAKE GOOD MONEY 300-400 DOLLARS FOR ONE PIECE. THANKS. YOU CAN BE BILLIONAIRE.