Thanks mate for the video. Well isn't that awesome bought a beautiful Alcock pool table that suits world rules about a year ago. Guess Ill have to save up and buy a new table :) I can see that the pockets are "squared" off and I've heard that the cloth has no nap. What are the size differences if any. Also is the transition between the two different table an easy one or is it just a rule based change that I need to worry about. Keep the videos coming Thumbs up!!
Hey mate these tables are about $3500ish so I’m tipping the Alcock is more expensive. These tables are slightly smaller and the tables do have nap they are just a finer cloth. Yes game play is a little different because you can knock balls is slightly easier but it always comes down to mapping. Appreciate the kinds word mate 👍
At the start of a frame to decide suits, can you play yellow onto red and pot red without also potting yellow at same time, is that loss of turn and still open table?
Just to qualfy one comment you made when you said that in England (or the UK) that a golden break and a golden duck is allowed to either win or lose on the break: that is only the case with Monday night pool ( as I call it). Monday night pool is a leque competition, it's first to 4 frames with a 20 minute match clock. This competition was a development of speed pool which used to be played with black ball rules but during covid they adopted the international rules format ( in the UK international rules is usually referred to as ultimate pool). The challenger series, however, is played on weekends full when full international rules apply with a longer match clock about 40 or 50 minutes, I think. There is no golden break or golden duck. I hope that clears that up. There is good prize money to be had if you're ever tempted to play in the UK. it's the same rules. The standard is possibly the best in the world. You can see some of these matches on you tube.
In international rules, there’s no total Snooker, so after you hit the object ball, either the white ball or the object ball has to hit a rail after contact or any other Ball for that matter.
I assume it's loss of frame if you pot the black after making initial contact with your object ball? Instead of loss of turn as it is when you pot an opponent's ball after initial contact with your own
Great vid. Wish I’d found it sooner. If you use a combination shot to pot your opponents last ball and leave them snookered on the black, is this a foul shot (giving them ball in hand) or a legal tactic and just loss of turn?
Is only a deliberate foul if you dont attempt to hit your own ball first? What if for some reason you hit your ball first but deliberately dont hit a cushion because you roll your ball into a pack of theirs to impede them for example?
@@MichaelScerri147 I appreciate that, but it's a gap on the rules so I'm not sure how they could. Theirs a lof of language of "accidentally" in the standard fouls section, and on loss of frame they use "deliberately" a lot, but this example isn't covered and others are explicitly, the closest only refer to striking the on ball first- 6f Loss of frame fouls (1) Deliberately not playing a ball from their own group first, or an on ball after a foul, or; (5)A player who clearly and intentionally fails to make an attempt to play a ball(s) of their own group. Realistically it could be covered under "6f (2)Unsporting behaviour / bringing the game into disrepute.Including but not exclusive to:...." but it's not similar to any of those examples in that section. Maybe pedantic nuance, but this is where important frames can be won and lost in the detail
At one of the pubs in Ireland I had white ball in hand & I was told that I cannot put the white ball anywhere behind the line even if I am breaking. There was an arc behind the centre of the line and they said white ball must go inside the arc, I've tried to check on the rules & I couldn't find it. How true was that?
The arc was on very old tables and possibly pub rules but even if the table had an arc in international rules you can place it anywhere behind the line for breaking 🙂
What about winning the frame with a skill shot when your on the black only, ie can you pot the black onto a ball over the pocket and follow in with the black? Cheers for the video btw 👍👍
Hi Michael just a question about ball hitting the rail. When hitting my object ball and it doesn't hit a cushion but runs into other players ball which hits the cushion is that still a foul? thanks Gerry
Thanks for watching with international rules it’s only ever 1 shot ball in hand never 2 shots. Only off a legal break if the white ball goes in the pocket to get ball in hand behind the bulk line or if it’s a foul break or white jumps off table then it’s ball in hand anywhere 1 shot only.
Question....Table broken red ball goes in. ( fair break 3 points gained ) Player aims for red ball and connects but misses. Fluke happens and a yellow ball goes in. .. What happens then?
Hi yes after you strike the white ball it must come in contact with another ball, if you don’t pot a ball then either that ball or any ball plus the white has to hit a rail. Cheers for watching and good luck 🤞
Found this video very useful. With the change of turn shot, rather than running your ball on to the opponents, can you flick off your ball knocking the opponents ball in with the white?
Scenario that never happens but I had this twice in one week... My Black ball hanging in corner pocket..opponent shot puts his ball touching the black....I am totally snookered to get through to the black...i cant touch on his ball it will 100%>drop the black in.....it's a total snooker but it's my turn......what happens... ? Second one was the same. apponants ball touching black. but he fouled trying to hit his ball but again left me totally snookered ...he said it was ball In hand ...when my shot was not possible....I said loss of frame ..he said he did not deliberately foul...??.....we settled both on a re rack....but what is the official ruling !!..???.can you show us please.👌👍 I know that you cannot intentionally foul anymore..but could you also show it the other way on . Black over the pocket same .your ball touching the black ball...cue ball on side rail..impossible to hit your ball without dropping the black..its your turn.. what happens?.. can you show old rules and new way for all 3 please mate ..cheers!
This all makes sense up until the change over shot at the end where a deliberate foul is played by potting the red and leaving the yellow over the pocket. If it is a deliberate foul then as explained earlier it should be loss of game surely. This has always been a pet hate of mine that you can deliberately foul and gain an advantage by doing so.
Hi mate this shot was just a loss of turn shot because the player was on yellow’s and played his yellow onto the red which is legal. If the yellow drops in also then at player continues like normal. This is called a skill shot.
@@MichaelScerri147 So a deliberate foul is NOT loss of game then and when snookered you can pretend to try to get out of snooker, fail and still gain an advantage ?
@@markpritchard4427 a change over shot or loss of turn shot isn’t a deliberate foul in this set of rules. If you deliberately foul on purpose, that’s loss of frame straight away and yes you could pretend to miss, but if the ref doesn’t buy it then you will lose the frame.
@@MichaelScerri147 So the shot you played in the video, deliberately playing the yellow onto the red to pot it and deliberately not potting the yellow to leave opponent in bad position, is not a deliberate foul ??
@@markpritchard4427 nope it’s called a change over shot or loss of turn but not deliberate. So it’s a bad thing in these rules to put your balls over pockets. It’s designed this way to keep the game flowing.
Very informative video but these international rules are crap, having to hit a cushion when snookered is a shocking rule because it encourages hit and hope shots and potentially flukes so it eliminates the skill of escaping snookers, handing over control of the table to the opponent after potting the black ball on the break is another terrible rule because it really penalises the breaker.
I thought potting the 8 ball off the break was a win..in ultimate pool they call it the golden break..If they pot the black and foul off the break it,s a loss and they call it the golden duck
@@MichaelScerri147 yea..great additions to the rules..8 ball on the break is quite rare and on the english coin op tables re spotting the black means putting more money in..)
Some of the rules make sense others don't. I know it's designed to entertain and speed up the game but really it's a one sided match now. Any decent player can win very easily. As for potting the black and you opponents ball is pathetic. It a bloody foul in any game of pool. Not sure who wrote these rules but that rule is a joke. Anyway that's the game now designed for tv entertainment. Play these guys with the old rules and let's see how good they really are.
1. White ball goes off the table when breaking......ball in hand anywhere on the table. 2. No plants after breaking (red pots yellow and vice versa), you must pot the colour set you hit first. 3. Skill shot allowed on black ball. 4. Stalemate when no path (blocked) available to your ball. 5. Intentional fouls is loss of frame. 😁
Best explaination of the rules ive found. Really helps the bits I was missing. Especially coming from old 8 ball rules.
Appreciate the kind words thanks
Great explanation of the rules.👏
Thank you
Thanks Michael for explaining the international rules so thoroughly, appreciate it immensely. Cheers mate.👍
Your welcome 🙂
Thanks Michael. It is going to take me a while to make the conversion :). This video is a real help.
Great job champ! Much easier to learn from a demo like this.
Thanks 😊
Thanks for the vids 🎱👍
Is there anywhere I could view some examples of push shot fouls in iRules 🤔
There should be some on the internet mate just not sure where sorry.
I’ll try do a video on this in my part 2 on the next one.
You're a great teacher
Thanks 🙏
Can you show...rules on what is a push shot and what is a double hit...what is classed as a legal or illegal push at speed..cheers michael..
Here mate try this …
PUSH SHOTS | How To Avoid It | 8 Ball | Michael Scerri
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Hi Michael, Could you please show us some examples of "push shots" under International Rules, or perhaps show us how to avoid them ?
No problem I’ll do that for the next video.
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Thanks mate for the video. Well isn't that awesome bought a beautiful Alcock pool table that suits world rules about a year ago. Guess Ill have to save up and buy a new table :) I can see that the pockets are "squared" off and I've heard that the cloth has no nap. What are the size differences if any. Also is the transition between the two different table an easy one or is it just a rule based change that I need to worry about. Keep the videos coming Thumbs up!!
Hey mate these tables are about $3500ish so I’m tipping the Alcock is more expensive.
These tables are slightly smaller and the tables do have nap they are just a finer cloth.
Yes game play is a little different because you can knock balls is slightly easier but it always comes down to mapping.
Appreciate the kinds word mate 👍
At the start of a frame to decide suits, can you play yellow onto red and pot red without also potting yellow at same time, is that loss of turn and still open table?
Yes mate, loss of turn and still open 👍
What if the white ball is touching my ball. Can I play the white away so that it makes contact with the cushion
Yeah the same as world rules 👍
Just to qualfy one comment you made when you said that in England (or the UK) that a golden break and a golden duck is allowed to either win or lose on the break: that is only the case with Monday night pool ( as I call it). Monday night pool is a leque competition, it's first to 4 frames with a 20 minute match clock. This competition was a development of speed pool which used to be played with black ball rules but during covid they adopted the international rules format ( in the UK international rules is usually referred to as ultimate pool).
The challenger series, however, is played on weekends full when full international rules apply with a longer match clock about 40 or 50 minutes, I think. There is no golden break or golden duck. I hope that clears that up. There is good prize money to be had if you're ever tempted to play in the UK. it's the same rules. The standard is possibly the best in the world. You can see some of these matches on you tube.
Yeah cheers for that mate I do watch some of the pool it’s a great set up you guys have over there. 👏👏
Thanks m8ty 😎👍
You’re welcome 👌🏼
On the break, can you also explain what happens if 2 balls pass the middle and a 3rd ball sits on or just over the middle line.
Hey mate the 3rd ball has to clear the line 100%
What about the black ball? Do you have to nominate the pocket?
Nah mate no nomination needed thanks for watching 😊
Thanks!!
After the old snooker does your ball have to hit the cushion or is it ok if just the white hits the cushion
In international rules, there’s no total Snooker, so after you hit the object ball, either the white ball or the object ball has to hit a rail after contact or any other Ball for that matter.
I assume it's loss of frame if you pot the black after making initial contact with your object ball?
Instead of loss of turn as it is when you pot an opponent's ball after initial contact with your own
Yes you have to pot the black separately, but it’s ok if you’re on the black pot it and pot opponents ball.
Great vid. Wish I’d found it sooner. If you use a combination shot to pot your opponents last ball and leave them snookered on the black, is this a foul shot (giving them ball in hand) or a legal tactic and just loss of turn?
Yeah legal mate once you get rid of their last ball then yes you can snooker them on the black. 👌🏼
Cheers for watching.
Is only a deliberate foul if you dont attempt to hit your own ball first? What if for some reason you hit your ball first but deliberately dont hit a cushion because you roll your ball into a pack of theirs to impede them for example?
Well if the umpire thinks you did it on purpose then and clearly didn’t hit it hard enough then I think they could call loss of frame.
@@MichaelScerri147 I appreciate that, but it's a gap on the rules so I'm not sure how they could. Theirs a lof of language of "accidentally" in the standard fouls section, and on loss of frame they use "deliberately" a lot, but this example isn't covered and others are explicitly, the closest only refer to striking the on ball first- 6f Loss of frame fouls
(1) Deliberately not playing a ball from their own group first, or an on ball after a foul, or; (5)A player who clearly and intentionally fails to make an attempt to play a ball(s) of their own group.
Realistically it could be covered under "6f (2)Unsporting behaviour / bringing the game into disrepute.Including but not exclusive to:...." but it's not similar to any of those examples in that section.
Maybe pedantic nuance, but this is where important frames can be won and lost in the detail
At one of the pubs in Ireland I had white ball in hand & I was told that I cannot put the white ball anywhere behind the line even if I am breaking. There was an arc behind the centre of the line and they said white ball must go inside the arc, I've tried to check on the rules & I couldn't find it. How true was that?
The arc was on very old tables and possibly pub rules but even if the table had an arc in international rules you can place it anywhere behind the line for breaking 🙂
What about winning the frame with a skill shot when your on the black only, ie can you pot the black onto a ball over the pocket and follow in with the black? Cheers for the video btw 👍👍
Yes that’s allowed also 👌🏼
Is push shot a loss of frame or foul in international rules?
Just a foul mate i accidentally said loss of frame but cleared that up in the next video. 👌🏼
Hi Michael just a question about ball hitting the rail. When hitting my object ball and it doesn't hit a cushion but runs into other players ball which hits the cushion is that still a foul? thanks Gerry
No mate if your opponents ball hits a rail then no foul.
Basically if any ball hits a rail after contact with object ball then it’s ok. 👌🏼
Opposition foul, i get ball in hand and 2 shots, is there free shot on the first. And when would i have ball in hand?
Thanks for watching with international rules it’s only ever 1 shot ball in hand never 2 shots.
Only off a legal break if the white ball goes in the pocket to get ball in hand behind the bulk line or if it’s a foul break or white jumps off table then it’s ball in hand anywhere 1 shot only.
Question....Table broken red ball goes in. ( fair break 3 points gained ) Player aims for red ball and connects but misses. Fluke happens and a yellow ball goes in. .. What happens then?
Just a loss of turn mate play ball from where it lies.
thanks greatly. Cheers@@MichaelScerri147
Get yourself over to the UK in the Ultimate pool tournament, your an excellent player and deserve to play in all top tournaments!!
Cheers 🍻
een mixed things online but if I'm potting my final red and then canon and pot the black ball, is this a win or loss of frame?
Loss of frame mate. But if you are on the black and you pot it for the win it’s ok to run into your opponents ball and knock it in.
@@MichaelScerri147 cheers mate
I'm new to this and the "ball must hit a cushion" rule is confusing. Also, what happens if a ball doesn't hit a cushion? Is it just loss of turn?
Hi yes after you strike the white ball it must come in contact with another ball, if you don’t pot a ball then either that ball or any ball plus the white has to hit a rail.
Cheers for watching and good luck 🤞
Thanks. Would that be the end of your visit to the table or something worse?
@@bipedantics just loss of turn, which is ball in hand for your opponent
I'm a woman and finding it hard to break any ideas to help me. Cheers
I did a video on breaking check it out and let me know what you think
Found this video very useful. With the change of turn shot, rather than running your ball on to the opponents, can you flick off your ball knocking the opponents ball in with the white?
Yes mate 🙂
Scenario that never happens but I had this twice in one week...
My Black ball hanging in corner pocket..opponent shot puts his ball touching the black....I am totally snookered to get through to the black...i cant touch on his ball it will 100%>drop the black in.....it's a total snooker but it's my turn......what happens... ?
Second one was the same. apponants ball touching black. but he fouled trying to hit his ball but again left me totally snookered ...he said it was ball In hand ...when my shot was not possible....I said loss of frame ..he said he did not deliberately foul...??.....we settled both on a re rack....but what is the official ruling !!..???.can you show us please.👌👍
I know that you cannot intentionally foul anymore..but could you also show it the other way on .
Black over the pocket same .your ball touching the black ball...cue ball on side rail..impossible to hit your ball without dropping the black..its your turn.. what happens?..
can you show old rules and new way for all 3 please mate ..cheers!
Hey mate, probably best to make a video of all three and send them to me and I’ll have a look and we’ll go from there.
Quite similar to american 8 ball world rules,except doing away with ability to play deliberate fouls,that is a good rule.
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Is there a free shot after foul or just ball in hand?
Just ball in hand mate
This all makes sense up until the change over shot at the end where a deliberate foul is played by potting the red and leaving the yellow over the pocket. If it is a deliberate foul then as explained earlier it should be loss of game surely. This has always been a pet hate of mine that you can deliberately foul and gain an advantage by doing so.
Hi mate this shot was just a loss of turn shot because the player was on yellow’s and played his yellow onto the red which is legal.
If the yellow drops in also then at player continues like normal.
This is called a skill shot.
@@MichaelScerri147 So a deliberate foul is NOT loss of game then and when snookered you can pretend to try to get out of snooker, fail and still gain an advantage ?
@@markpritchard4427 a change over shot or loss of turn shot isn’t a deliberate foul in this set of rules.
If you deliberately foul on purpose, that’s loss of frame straight away and yes you could pretend to miss, but if the ref doesn’t buy it then you will lose the frame.
@@MichaelScerri147 So the shot you played in the video, deliberately playing the yellow onto the red to pot it and deliberately not potting the yellow to leave opponent in bad position, is not a deliberate foul ??
@@markpritchard4427 nope it’s called a change over shot or loss of turn but not deliberate.
So it’s a bad thing in these rules to put your balls over pockets. It’s designed this way to keep the game flowing.
Very informative video but these international rules are crap, having to hit a cushion when snookered is a shocking rule because it encourages hit and hope shots and potentially flukes so it eliminates the skill of escaping snookers, handing over control of the table to the opponent after potting the black ball on the break is another terrible rule because it really penalises the breaker.
At last someone said it 👏
I thought potting the 8 ball off the break was a win..in ultimate pool they call it the golden break..If they pot the black and foul off the break it,s a loss and they call it the golden duck
Yes you’re right, but that’s just ultimate pools version that they have added onto their rules
@@MichaelScerri147 yea..great additions to the rules..8 ball on the break is quite rare and on the english coin op tables re spotting the black means putting more money in..)
Some of the rules make sense others don't. I know it's designed to entertain and speed up the game but really it's a one sided match now. Any decent player can win very easily. As for potting the black and you opponents ball is pathetic. It a bloody foul in any game of pool. Not sure who wrote these rules but that rule is a joke. Anyway that's the game now designed for tv entertainment. Play these guys with the old rules and let's see how good they really are.
Yeah mate it’s all about TV now unfortunately 👍
1. White ball goes off the table when breaking......ball in hand anywhere on the table. 2. No plants after breaking (red pots yellow and vice versa), you must pot the colour set you hit first. 3. Skill shot allowed on black ball. 4. Stalemate when no path (blocked) available to your ball. 5. Intentional fouls is loss of frame. 😁
Yes correct these for a later video 👍
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@@MichaelScerri147 Keep em coming mate. These tutorials are excellent.
5. intentional foul is loss of frame but the video shows otherwise !