British not part of Europe anymore. Theyre just no longer part of European Union, they are still in Europe and part of EU region when it comes to servers. Its not that they lifted anchors and fucked entire country off to open ocean. Not that it wouldnt be amusing to watch, i cheer for them to one day achieve this feat.
Couldn't help but chuckle a little bit watching this one. Lowskilled's APM was consistently 3-5x that of RockMan, and that reminded me of a quote I heard once "It doesn't matter how high your APM is if 73% of those actions are shoving your thumb up your butt."
Did he say his oponent is brain damaged? I think he Said it only about unit design. Regarding siege line - I thin that actually walking in siege line would be better as Terran units ar least do friendly damage.
I'd pay real money to see Harstem laddering in BW and playing against Artosis. Also, how can that man be ignorant on Dark Archons?! He'd love the unit!
11:55 - Dark Archons in SC:BW can cast Maelstrom, Mind Control, and Feedback. However, they have no normal attack. Regular Archons formed from High Templar cannot cast any spells but have a powerful splash attack, just like Archons in SC2. It would be a joy to see you play some Broodwar. Also this will be the only time I know something the Captain doesn't. 😅
The problem is you generally don't have an air army even if you go stargate for oracles early game. If you switch to carriers without upgrades against a zerg with upgraded hydras, you're going to lose that fight (even without the vipers). Carriers are only good when upgraded, in large numbers, and with their interceptors already out. Admittedly then they are amazing; but getting there is very difficult unless the opponent is asleep for 6 minutes.
@kugeltmg tempest/phoenix are a significantly faster option. Based on the tech they had though base trading was probably the best choice. But while stalling can build a second Stargate and stockpiling void rays for defense til they push to your last base. They don't need to win the fight, just need to stall for time for your main army to wipe their bases.
Detection is the main issue vs. Ghosts as well. In PvT they just scan and snipe the Observer. Then ghosts can do whatever they want. The +1 vision for the pylons is a good call, but is still not enough. I mean we admit that Protoss has a vision problem. Maybe +1 vision on the Cannons as well, idk. The problem is the detection. Other than that, I think Protoss is fairly balanced right now.
This level of play won't get you to 3300 mmr. Zergs go mass Lurker almost every mid-game in plat/diamond; so you've got to learn that you just don't attack into that many. Like tanks, don't let them get there or accept that that's a zerg base now. I think Lowskilled was majorly thrown off by that proxy hatch and then got ptsd again when he saw lurkers probably because he's lost to them so many times. I can relate to some weird bs throwing you off. It happens all the time but it comes in so many flavors that it's often a surprise. What's truly IMBA is anything weird and aggressive early game. Any random stupid crap is almost always harder to defend than to do because the doer pre-planned it and the defender learned about it once it was well underway. You'll notice Harstem has a rote response to this, like pilot memory items; you have to know how to respond before it happens. It's never clear at that level what the hell is happening.
"Frog in it's pond" means that he is comfortable and safe because in the pond the frog it's in its element, it's domain. Like a spider in it's web or a bear in his cave. Not only are you sitting the chilling but you are more powerful at home or something like that. I never heard this before but i get what he meant.
Not only that, but Frogs hunt by sitting and waiting. I think that's mostly what he meant. They just sit it their pond, waiting for food to walk close enough that they can strike.
there is a sc2 vs broodwar mod, you can play e.g. bw terran vs sc2 terran. There are some balance tweaks, e.g. ghost's lockdowns arent freaking infinite, so it seems viable. I think it would be interesting, just imagine sc2 P vs bw Z with 1 supply early game hydras. I think this would make a good content for a couple of videos.
I think the "Frog in pond"-line is more of a general description of Lurkers: Like frogs, they sit on their asses and when prey comes along, they obliterate it with a long range attack.
A frog in a pond is not an expression, its a description. The way all you can see of a frog is its eyes poking above the water.. I admit that lurkers don't look much like frogs so I can see how you would be confused.. I'm pretty sure you can take out a single lurker with 3 zealots coming in from different directions right? Hope this helps.
Dear Harstem, I’ll just put it straight up. Human players are imba. In this game, my opponent set my predetermined strategy to “Economic Focus”. I thought we were going to have an epic macro game as I droned up as much as my programming allowed. My opener was solid and I was ahead of my human opponent for most of the game. Everything was going perfectly until bam, two dropships full of marines and marauders drop in my main. There was nothing I could do. One by one, my buildings fell and I had minimal army units to fend off my opponent. It was a disaster. I requested to surrender to my opponent but to my dismay, my opponent said NO to my request and continued to destroy the rest of my buildings. Not only was my opponent imba, but they had the audacity to bm me as well. This is surely imba, as I was not allowed to commit more resources to building an army, but I’ll let you tell me Captain. Is it imba, or do I suck? - AI (Hardest)
2:30 - Captain, the phrase "like a frog in it's pond" isn't so much an idion/turn of phrase as a comparison. In their home turf ("ponds") some frogs sit still and let their food come to them, then do the often illustrated tongue whip. He's saying that the Zerg ends up turtling with lurkers that make it dangerous to attack him (for fear of unseen predators), then just crosses the map and ends him.
thats dva, not anime. means lowskilled plays overwatch - which is even worse than watching anime. I sadly was exposed to that side of the internet and its burnt into my brain
Our Neighbour sometimes has a Frog in his Pond and that prevents my parents from sleeping because the frog is quacking all night long; maybe that is what he means, that the lurkers are like a frog in a pond a their spines are annoying like the quacking.
In Brood War you had regular archons made from high templar that are basically identical to the archons in SC2 (just attack only with high shields) and you had dark archons made from dark templar that were spellcasters. They couldn't storm, but they did have other spells like feedback (given to high templar in SC2), mind control and maelstorm (an aoe spell that immobilises).
Dark templars fused into Dark archon. I had this one as a wallpaper on my phone in 2007... that was so cool, despite the unit hadn't basic attack)))) 14:57 Biologist here: frogs actually have their reflexes neural circuits located outside the brain, primarily in the spinal cord. Therefore if LowSkilled belongs to some kind of a frog race he could play headless based on pure reflexes. Idk how this frogling would overcome a little problem with lacking eyes to look at the game, but... this is a minor issue comparing to the absence of brain. 20:01 The sound xD
LOVE the delayed *2* worker pull for the proxy, into NOT attacking the hatch but instead double battery INTO swapping the zealot for the 2 workers. Clearly, the Da Vinci of his craft, ideas never before seen by man
It's always funny to see f2 abusers. Just stop using F2. Delaying learning how to use controll groups until you've gotten "decent" at the game will hurt you a lot more in the long run. You're not focusing on and getting good at more important stuff, you're literally lazy and trying to use shortcuts to get free wins by ignoring one of the most important parts of an RTS. It is like ignoring macro to get good at micro first before you learn how to macro. It is amazing to me that f2 abusers can even get to diamond in the first place, you don't belong there. If your excuse is that you can't stop abusing f2 because you do it automatically, then go into hotkey settings and disable it, if you can't get used to playing without abusing f2 in less than 50 games then RTS is not for you, go play with tide pods and crayons while watching tiktok.
Without even watching the full video yet: use storms or disruptors After watching the video: yep, should have used storms or disruptors instead of running whole army into lurker field what's wrong with you
I'm all in for you trying brood war. But there's also a mod popular on the Korean server where you can play SC2 vs brood war. That would be a very fun watch.
Lurkers outranging colossi feels thematically weird so maybe just buff colossi to 10 range with extended thermal lance? We had a patch where this was done accidentally and it's not like it really gave Protoss a bunch more wins.
@@TheGriftcast Irrelevant. As this game actually shows, the Lurker is just too imba. The only control is burrow/unburrow, and it has 200 hp (!), good speed, insane SPLASH damage and it costs very little in terms of resources and supply compared to it's insane damage output. If you put 15 tanks there instead of Lurkers, the tanks would eventually be cleaned up, but Lurkers? Nooooo. Tbh Lurkers should lose their extended range upgrade and get nerfed to 150 hp, so that 1 disruptor ball and 2 storms kill them. Then they might be balanced.
He was but the observer was the first thing that got a-moved into vipers so the rest of the army couldn't see the lurkers. I guess that was part of the complaint.
Didn't help that in that last fight he just moved three or four colossi right over the lurkers. Christ, at least A move so even if you do something stupid you do a LITTLE damage.
I cant actually beleive what I was watching this game. I mean this dude some how has made it to 3.5k. HOW ?!? Its like he doesnt understand how units work. How to attack or even some of the basics about the game. Baffles me.
3.5k is respectable but ofc they look terrible compared to Harstem and good players. That and they will look worse when sending in a losing replay. Like Low skilled can clearly play; doing a lot of damage with their first attack despite it hitting too late. Just doesn't know how to deal with lurkers. I'm also in D2 and my control is pretty bad so I'm not surprised here hahaha
At 21:56 you mention how lurkers have to siege, and then unsiege, and this is time consuming.. Its not really true though. You can totally leapfrog constantly using the shift key and que up the siege mode on things like siege tanks, liberators, and lurkers. If you make just two separate hotkeys you can do this all day to great effect.
Another thing I rarely see is pro players queuing up targets.. lets say you have two reapers and you know you can kill 3 probes.. you can shift left click 3 probes an dthen send reapers home as one long command freeing yourself up to do other things in the early game. This works for clearing supply depos quickly with liberators as well.. You can siege your liberators analize and decide to kill a few supply depos or a single tech structure, and also que up retreating after they are done, with pathing. congrats on the recent tournament btw, I love your work.
yep, because he's using F2. This happens to me when I panic F2 for a basetrade and don't have time to re-separate my units. I think Lowskilled never made a 2nd control group in the first place. It's extremely bad against lurker/hydra too because you'll keep losing your observers to the hydras and if you F2 you certainly aren't capable of keeping them tagged with an oracle.
And still loses units to the spore. The guy doesn't even have the basic micro to just select the air units and move them back. While this is pretty low mmr it's still kinda sad that he could reach this level with this level of macro, micro and decision making.
@@mothrahlurker788 Don't be surprised what a good meta build order will do for you. I hit around that level in teams cause I don't play 1v1 but I play almost entirely my own build orders, and boy do I have to compensate for my build orders. Often watch replays from perspective of team members and you still get the 60 apm straight into air players that don't know what the other side of the map is until they are maxed, they usually get there because of the simplicity and all-around nature of what they are doing. Masters is really where people start understanding the game.
a frog in its pond - he means he is in his environment, just sieging or camping but as it was meant to be, wherever it choses to be. And: in BroodWar, 2 high templar will make an Archon which has no spells and can only attack, and 2 dark templars will make a Dark Archon, which cannot attack and has only spells, like feedback, immobilize and mind control, no storm.
The phrase is not localized to any region of Europe. I'm from the USA and I knew exactly what they meant. It's probably just about being from a place where both frogs and the ponds they inhabit are common, specifically rural areas with nearby wetlands.
You could make a thing about playing from idiotic positions, like the mass lurker in your base at 24:20, against actually good players. Not only would it be funny it could also be educational to lower tier players.
This was a brutal iodis: the worst fight in recorded history of iodis, he is more brain damaged than his opponent and he sucks. But, 'frog in a pond' is a great expression, let noskill go down in history as the linguistic mastermind who came up with that.
'It's a European replay so maybe not the British. Not really part of Europe anymore are they?" - instalike. Are you now speaking the voice of politics over the voice of geography? ;) Anyway, it is painful painful to hear for an European lining in the UK. :( But nice one.
Sadly, this is the kind of protos strat I loose to on the ladder. Most of the time they remember to F2&A-move unlike this guy though^^ I feel this game demonstrated much better why protos is OP than that zerg is OP.
I'm all for BW attempt. The Dark Archon has Maelstrom, but it only seems to work well in limited situations. I've been playing Protoss since 1998, (rarely though) and I don't think I've ever made a Dark Archon. That's your series, "Dark Archon to S-Rank"
You are mistaken slightly. Storming is from High Templar, take two to get an Archon, those two units are pretty much the same as in SC2. The Dark Templar are very similar to their SC2 successors, no blink though. Take two of them to get a Dark Archon, which special gimmick is to mind control an enemy Unit - Permanently. I'm not certain you can even make Dark Archons in Multiplayer...
All these players who you say "suck" made me play some games on the ladder. I got placed in Bronze League (used to be Platinum) and won 3/11 games, two of the wins being from cannon rushes I defended fairly comfortably. I gotta say - Bronze level players are waaaaay better than they were 10 years ago. They might not play efficiently, but they're miles beyond the Bronze League I remember, where players wouldn't even leave their bases until they had maxxed out carriers.
Ngl, as a Zerg player, I only use lurkers if I absolutely must. As much as I can complain about things like teleporting BCs, widow mines and skytoss death balls, it feels absolutely disgusting to have even just a handful of lurkers and just Thanos snap an entire ground army in seconds. I’m not quite sure what they were smoking when they gave a unit with linear splash damage a huge range upgrade and giant anti armor damage, but it was clearly some strong stuff.
Someone has probably answered at this point, but Dark Archons have Mind Control, Feedback and Maelstrom. I think Maelstrom just holds units in place without making them invulnerable like Stasis does. But don't quote me on that. I don't think Dark Archons were ever really part of the Meta.
I thought I was a fraud at 3400 MMR, 0 control groups and 70 APM, but damn..... My macro is so bad I don't think I ever got to 60 drones ever. But something like a good engage and a few good orders within a fight is enough to carry you high it seems.
Everytime I see IODIS against zerg I know: it's going to be absolutely fantastic. Modern zergs are so weak on gold-master level, that applicant needs to do something extremely stupid to lose the game and being even more stupid to not realizing the stupidity and claim the imbalance. This time protos did so well at the early game that I was almost rooting for him. He almost made me to believe that game was unfair. And then 10K fight happen....
Honestly the problem of the series is that captain while asserting "is it imbalanced or do I suck" doesn't seem to recognize scenario "I suck, but it is still unbalanced". Let's be honest - everyone will always suck. We have seen players from all levels even pro asserted as "sucks", but losing because of making mistakes doesn't mean it's balanced. For most of player's who can't play Perfect lack of Ballance means situations where probabilities of making mistake or impact of those mistakes are asymmetrical. In this case guy's army melted in seconds because in heat of the moment he made a mistake of not using an attack move and his units simply walked over lurkers not dealings any damage and dying. While it is also possible to do a similar mistake from zerg side and walking with lurkers into a protoss death ball it usually doesn't happen. I think SC2 unit pathing and clumping up patterns makes the army that is not well controlled very vulnerable to lurker damage especially when army is walking towards lurkers as they deal splash damage in straight lines. So consequences of not doing at least basic correct micro against lurkers are catastrophic and this is why in my book it is not balanced.
Guessing people have already commented on how archons/dark archons worked in BW by now, so I'm just going to say that dark archons probably would've rather had psi storm instead of feedback (╹ڡ╹ )
I've heard of a frog in a pond and I'm in the US. I can't imagine a frog fending off a coyote, yet "ribbit ribbit ribbit". Frogs sit in the all you can eat bug-buffet and taunt all the predators within a quarter mile (half a km) all day (and night) every day all summer and nothing bad happens to them.
Harstem in sc1 2 templars made and a regular archon and 2 DT's made a (dark Archon) which was a spell caster that had mind control. Once you mind control a unit, it was then yours forever from what i remember. Also just to let you know, im a frog in a pond :'v
Sure, try "a little bit of Brood War", but mark my words, even with loads of practice you won't be anywhere near Artosis level. As a former W3 player you have no idea about the BW mechanics. But would love to see that of course :)
I think "a frog in a pond" refers to the frogs in a russian children book (a traveller frog), where regular frogs are pictured as a creatures that always praise their own swamp where everything is better then everywhere else. In contrast with that special "traveller" frog that was collaborating with birds to experiment with travelling. Sadly, that brave frog could not manage to travel far enough, ended in an another swamp, bragging with her new friends about how good other places are. So probably "frog in a pond" is someone who does not want to discover something and step into the unknown.
Thank you for mentioning up to 20 workers is more efficient than long distance mining, im a low masters player and I didn't know that. More helpful facts like that in future vids would be very appreciated.
It would be rad if when you said "This is a shitty response", you gave examples of what a good/better response would have been and why they're better. Otherwise it's pretty meaningless.
Jesus, I'd 100% let Harstem roast my games. but I don't think he'd find the words to explain why I accidentally started my lair and roach warren at 8 minutes
Britain is a part of europe. Its not a part of the EU. But unless they take their island and go somewhere else the former is not changing anytime soon.
11:20 lol, he runs away from the roaches, with a flying unit. Just to fly into spores..... 19:16 why are the disruptores in front of the army? And yes, yes i know the answer is: because of no control groupes!
Not sure if you've done this before, but this would be a great game to have 2 pros pick up where the gg left off without telling them what the game looks like (if this is possible). They load in and see what happens.
hahahahah, do this guy not know what detection is ? :D Sure lurkers are good units but like siege tank you can just kill them as they don't move if they attack.
Wise man said: "Each lurker is like a tank and a half. If you wouldn't go into an area where are fifteen tanks attacking you, then you shouldn't go where there are ten lurkers attack you."
All I can really say is that anybody in diamond league is still better than the vast majority of players, even if he seems like a poor player in Harestem's eyes XD.
i feel like the whole "frog in its pond" thing was kinda literal... just a frog camping out till a fly gets too close, then snapping it up with its tongue.
Protoss was almost ahead the whole game even with the proxy hatch and nexus delay and just let it get away from him by walking into very obvious lurkers. Just walk around them.
Bronze to Artosis series incoming ?
idk on average bronze players seem just as salty as Artosis so there wouldn’t be much difference
I came to comment the same thing haha
Lmao I would love to see harstems BW Protoss crush artosis
YES PLS!
It would be awesome! I will be hooked with it no doubt!
Archon = the one we have... Dark Archon = Could take control of a enemy unit... no "Storm" Archons
British not part of Europe anymore.
Theyre just no longer part of European Union, they are still in Europe and part of EU region when it comes to servers. Its not that they lifted anchors and fucked entire country off to open ocean. Not that it wouldnt be amusing to watch, i cheer for them to one day achieve this feat.
Couldn't help but chuckle a little bit watching this one. Lowskilled's APM was consistently 3-5x that of RockMan, and that reminded me of a quote I heard once "It doesn't matter how high your APM is if 73% of those actions are shoving your thumb up your butt."
>Does basically the equivalent of walking into a set up siege line
"mY oPpOnEnT iS BrAiN DaMaGeD"
Did he say his oponent is brain damaged? I think he Said it only about unit design. Regarding siege line - I thin that actually walking in siege line would be better as Terran units ar least do friendly damage.
@@dawislv 1:02
I'd pay real money to see Harstem laddering in BW and playing against Artosis.
Also, how can that man be ignorant on Dark Archons?! He'd love the unit!
11:55 - Dark Archons in SC:BW can cast Maelstrom, Mind Control, and Feedback. However, they have no normal attack.
Regular Archons formed from High Templar cannot cast any spells but have a powerful splash attack, just like Archons in SC2.
It would be a joy to see you play some Broodwar. Also this will be the only time I know something the Captain doesn't. 😅
Artanis Archons in coop can cast storm. not sure if archons with storm are the case in any other mode
If only Protoss had a way to deal with units that attack ground only. Or a way to detect invisible units.
If only. Sadly, this does not exist. 😔
The problem is you generally don't have an air army even if you go stargate for oracles early game. If you switch to carriers without upgrades against a zerg with upgraded hydras, you're going to lose that fight (even without the vipers). Carriers are only good when upgraded, in large numbers, and with their interceptors already out. Admittedly then they are amazing; but getting there is very difficult unless the opponent is asleep for 6 minutes.
@kugeltmg tempest/phoenix are a significantly faster option. Based on the tech they had though base trading was probably the best choice. But while stalling can build a second Stargate and stockpiling void rays for defense til they push to your last base.
They don't need to win the fight, just need to stall for time for your main army to wipe their bases.
Thats what templars with storm are for, countering both hidras and corruptors@@kugeltmg
Detection is the main issue vs. Ghosts as well. In PvT they just scan and snipe the Observer. Then ghosts can do whatever they want.
The +1 vision for the pylons is a good call, but is still not enough. I mean we admit that Protoss has a vision problem. Maybe +1 vision on the Cannons as well, idk. The problem is the detection. Other than that, I think Protoss is fairly balanced right now.
This level of play won't get you to 3300 mmr. Zergs go mass Lurker almost every mid-game in plat/diamond; so you've got to learn that you just don't attack into that many. Like tanks, don't let them get there or accept that that's a zerg base now.
I think Lowskilled was majorly thrown off by that proxy hatch and then got ptsd again when he saw lurkers probably because he's lost to them so many times. I can relate to some weird bs throwing you off. It happens all the time but it comes in so many flavors that it's often a surprise.
What's truly IMBA is anything weird and aggressive early game. Any random stupid crap is almost always harder to defend than to do because the doer pre-planned it and the defender learned about it once it was well underway. You'll notice Harstem has a rote response to this, like pilot memory items; you have to know how to respond before it happens. It's never clear at that level what the hell is happening.
YES PLEASE TO BROOD WAR AND ROAD TO DEFEATING ARTOSIS
I feel bad for laughing too hard over the Artosis joke.
We really need a Harstem BW series now! Get some basic coaching from Scarlett maybe who did really well when she played BW for a while.
What artosis joke?
"Frog in it's pond" means that he is comfortable and safe because in the pond the frog it's in its element, it's domain. Like a spider in it's web or a bear in his cave. Not only are you sitting the chilling but you are more powerful at home or something like that. I never heard this before but i get what he meant.
Bingo
Kinda sounds familiar from German
Not only that, but Frogs hunt by sitting and waiting. I think that's mostly what he meant. They just sit it their pond, waiting for food to walk close enough that they can strike.
I’ve heard it before- but now that you mention it, I may have heard it mostly in Germany-
you used the right its once despite using the term 5 times. Crazy.
brood war would be some great content, and nostalgia
there is a sc2 vs broodwar mod, you can play e.g. bw terran vs sc2 terran. There are some balance tweaks, e.g. ghost's lockdowns arent freaking infinite, so it seems viable. I think it would be interesting, just imagine sc2 P vs bw Z with 1 supply early game hydras. I think this would make a good content for a couple of videos.
Just look up "Falcon Paladin", he has about 8000 videos on brood ward and still casts them :)
I think the "Frog in pond"-line is more of a general description of Lurkers: Like frogs, they sit on their asses and when prey comes along, they obliterate it with a long range attack.
Would be hilarious if from now on, all IODIS replays have the DVa voice
A frog in a pond is not an expression, its a description. The way all you can see of a frog is its eyes poking above the water.. I admit that lurkers don't look much like frogs so I can see how you would be confused.. I'm pretty sure you can take out a single lurker with 3 zealots coming in from different directions right? Hope this helps.
Harstem thinks BW archons have storm. What a newb.
Dear Harstem,
I’ll just put it straight up. Human players are imba. In this game, my opponent set my predetermined strategy to “Economic Focus”. I thought we were going to have an epic macro game as I droned up as much as my programming allowed. My opener was solid and I was ahead of my human opponent for most of the game. Everything was going perfectly until bam, two dropships full of marines and marauders drop in my main. There was nothing I could do. One by one, my buildings fell and I had minimal army units to fend off my opponent. It was a disaster. I requested to surrender to my opponent but to my dismay, my opponent said NO to my request and continued to destroy the rest of my buildings. Not only was my opponent imba, but they had the audacity to bm me as well. This is surely imba, as I was not allowed to commit more resources to building an army, but I’ll let you tell me Captain. Is it imba, or do I suck?
- AI (Hardest)
2:30 - Captain, the phrase "like a frog in it's pond" isn't so much an idion/turn of phrase as a comparison. In their home turf ("ponds") some frogs sit still and let their food come to them, then do the often illustrated tongue whip. He's saying that the Zerg ends up turtling with lurkers that make it dangerous to attack him (for fear of unseen predators), then just crosses the map and ends him.
if anime fans were capable of understanding normal pitched english they'd be so mad at you
Just want to point out that Rockman was the name for Megaman in the original Japanese release. Kinda cool I guess....
Sounds more like a caveman type character rather than a futuristic cutting edge robot lol.
Rockman IS the name for Megaman in japan, that has not changed at all, just that Capcom decided to kill the series for some reason.
@@ghosthunter0950His name is Rock. Hence his superhero name is Rockman.
Harstem: I have nothing against anime.
Also harstem: There's a certain kind of brain rot you need to truly enjoy this kind of stuff.
2:31 Which continent are they rowing their islands to?
4:05 Three probe hit squad chasing a zergling, what a circus.
thats dva, not anime. means lowskilled plays overwatch - which is even worse than watching anime. I sadly was exposed to that side of the internet and its burnt into my brain
Hoping for a brood war series
Our Neighbour sometimes has a Frog in his Pond and that prevents my parents from sleeping because the frog is quacking all night long; maybe that is what he means, that the lurkers are like a frog in a pond a their spines are annoying like the quacking.
The Blue Bomber strikes in SC2.
In Brood War you had regular archons made from high templar that are basically identical to the archons in SC2 (just attack only with high shields) and you had dark archons made from dark templar that were spellcasters. They couldn't storm, but they did have other spells like feedback (given to high templar in SC2), mind control and maelstorm (an aoe spell that immobilises).
Dark templars fused into Dark archon. I had this one as a wallpaper on my phone in 2007... that was so cool, despite the unit hadn't basic attack))))
14:57 Biologist here: frogs actually have their reflexes neural circuits located outside the brain, primarily in the spinal cord. Therefore if LowSkilled belongs to some kind of a frog race he could play headless based on pure reflexes. Idk how this frogling would overcome a little problem with lacking eyes to look at the game, but... this is a minor issue comparing to the absence of brain.
20:01 The sound xD
LOVE the delayed *2* worker pull for the proxy, into NOT attacking the hatch but instead double battery INTO swapping the zealot for the 2 workers. Clearly, the Da Vinci of his craft, ideas never before seen by man
2:28 the brexit burn. Oof. Mainland europe still loves you tho. Please come back after the puberty phase
Ugh, it's not a phase mum! I want to hang out with Rwanda and America. You wouldn't understand.
"The British are not part of Europe anymore" 😂 Not sure if countries can exit continents my dude
You know that Britain is an island, don't you? :)
he obviously meant the European Union and Brexit, but ok
It's always funny to see f2 abusers. Just stop using F2. Delaying learning how to use controll groups until you've gotten "decent" at the game will hurt you a lot more in the long run. You're not focusing on and getting good at more important stuff, you're literally lazy and trying to use shortcuts to get free wins by ignoring one of the most important parts of an RTS. It is like ignoring macro to get good at micro first before you learn how to macro.
It is amazing to me that f2 abusers can even get to diamond in the first place, you don't belong there.
If your excuse is that you can't stop abusing f2 because you do it automatically, then go into hotkey settings and disable it, if you can't get used to playing without abusing f2 in less than 50 games then RTS is not for you, go play with tide pods and crayons while watching tiktok.
Without even watching the full video yet: use storms or disruptors
After watching the video: yep, should have used storms or disruptors instead of running whole army into lurker field what's wrong with you
I'm all in for you trying brood war. But there's also a mod popular on the Korean server where you can play SC2 vs brood war. That would be a very fun watch.
The answer is simple. Lowskilled sucks and Lurkers are imba
Lurkers outranging colossi feels thematically weird so maybe just buff colossi to 10 range with extended thermal lance? We had a patch where this was done accidentally and it's not like it really gave Protoss a bunch more wins.
@@chloesmith4065 Quiet, before terran players hear you and write a 10 page essay about Colosus being more powerful than every terran unit combined.
@@faridmk3707everything is overpowered when you suck.
@@chloesmith4065 Let's give colossi global range; the minute they pop out, they one-shot everything that everything it can see, which is everything.
@@TheGriftcast Irrelevant. As this game actually shows, the Lurker is just too imba. The only control is burrow/unburrow, and it has 200 hp (!), good speed, insane SPLASH damage and it costs very little in terms of resources and supply compared to it's insane damage output. If you put 15 tanks there instead of Lurkers, the tanks would eventually be cleaned up, but Lurkers? Nooooo.
Tbh Lurkers should lose their extended range upgrade and get nerfed to 150 hp, so that 1 disruptor ball and 2 storms kill them. Then they might be balanced.
Dark Archons are indeed spellcasters in BW, but they don't cast storm, they have their own spells
This is not a timing attack, thats for sure... if it is a timing attack, the timing would be 'too late' 😂
19:10 He's kiting the spore. Which he wouldn't need to do, if he had control groups.
how did that guy get to diamond and not A moving as protoss?
He was but the observer was the first thing that got a-moved into vipers so the rest of the army couldn't see the lurkers. I guess that was part of the complaint.
I think "like a frog in a pond" sometimes gets used to describe being in a familiar/comfortable space
You playing brood war and battling Artosis would be quality content!
12:15, what a bold statement.
At least the name of the complainant is accurate; LowSkilled.
Second
we really need a tally on how many IODIS have been about lurkers
waiting for your brood war crusade
Didn't help that in that last fight he just moved three or four colossi right over the lurkers. Christ, at least A move so even if you do something stupid you do a LITTLE damage.
That was so painful, and the fact I think he used 1 disruptor in the whole game despite building like 5 of them
0:55
Oh! I think I know what unit he talks about. An invisible unit that can just wipe Toss armies off the map?
But what does Zerg have to do with it?
Based on the context, frog in its pond = Being cozy/happy where you are. Nothing indicates it would mean anything else
I cant actually beleive what I was watching this game. I mean this dude some how has made it to 3.5k. HOW ?!? Its like he doesnt understand how units work. How to attack or even some of the basics about the game. Baffles me.
3.5k is respectable but ofc they look terrible compared to Harstem and good players. That and they will look worse when sending in a losing replay.
Like Low skilled can clearly play; doing a lot of damage with their first attack despite it hitting too late. Just doesn't know how to deal with lurkers.
I'm also in D2 and my control is pretty bad so I'm not surprised here hahaha
England is still part of Europe. Just not part of the EU. 2 different things.
Just like England and the United Kingdom are two different things.
new series, can you win the IODIS
At 21:56 you mention how lurkers have to siege, and then unsiege, and this is time consuming.. Its not really true though. You can totally leapfrog constantly using the shift key and que up the siege mode on things like siege tanks, liberators, and lurkers. If you make just two separate hotkeys you can do this all day to great effect.
Another thing I rarely see is pro players queuing up targets.. lets say you have two reapers and you know you can kill 3 probes.. you can shift left click 3 probes an dthen send reapers home as one long command freeing yourself up to do other things in the early game. This works for clearing supply depos quickly with liberators as well.. You can siege your liberators analize and decide to kill a few supply depos or a single tech structure, and also que up retreating after they are done, with pathing. congrats on the recent tournament btw, I love your work.
yeah sure better clear a nexus with 2 libs u super expert, go give more tips to pro players in ytube comments
Hi, the guy is kiting the hatchery because he is trying to keep his air units from dying to the spore.
yep, because he's using F2. This happens to me when I panic F2 for a basetrade and don't have time to re-separate my units. I think Lowskilled never made a 2nd control group in the first place. It's extremely bad against lurker/hydra too because you'll keep losing your observers to the hydras and if you F2 you certainly aren't capable of keeping them tagged with an oracle.
And still loses units to the spore. The guy doesn't even have the basic micro to just select the air units and move them back. While this is pretty low mmr it's still kinda sad that he could reach this level with this level of macro, micro and decision making.
@@mothrahlurker788 Don't be surprised what a good meta build order will do for you. I hit around that level in teams cause I don't play 1v1 but I play almost entirely my own build orders, and boy do I have to compensate for my build orders. Often watch replays from perspective of team members and you still get the 60 apm straight into air players that don't know what the other side of the map is until they are maxed, they usually get there because of the simplicity and all-around nature of what they are doing. Masters is really where people start understanding the game.
a frog in its pond - he means he is in his environment, just sieging or camping but as it was meant to be, wherever it choses to be.
And: in BroodWar, 2 high templar will make an Archon which has no spells and can only attack, and 2 dark templars will make a Dark Archon, which cannot attack and has only spells, like feedback, immobilize and mind control, no storm.
The phrase is not localized to any region of Europe. I'm from the USA and I knew exactly what they meant. It's probably just about being from a place where both frogs and the ponds they inhabit are common, specifically rural areas with nearby wetlands.
You could make a thing about playing from idiotic positions, like the mass lurker in your base at 24:20, against actually good players. Not only would it be funny it could also be educational to lower tier players.
yes road to Artosis lets go !
This was a brutal iodis: the worst fight in recorded history of iodis, he is more brain damaged than his opponent and he sucks. But, 'frog in a pond' is a great expression, let noskill go down in history as the linguistic mastermind who came up with that.
'It's a European replay so maybe not the British. Not really part of Europe anymore are they?" - instalike. Are you now speaking the voice of politics over the voice of geography? ;) Anyway, it is painful painful to hear for an European lining in the UK. :( But nice one.
PLAY BROOD WAR PLEASEEEE
Sadly, this is the kind of protos strat I loose to on the ladder. Most of the time they remember to F2&A-move unlike this guy though^^ I feel this game demonstrated much better why protos is OP than that zerg is OP.
I'm all for BW attempt. The Dark Archon has Maelstrom, but it only seems to work well in limited situations. I've been playing Protoss since 1998, (rarely though) and I don't think I've ever made a Dark Archon. That's your series, "Dark Archon to S-Rank"
You are mistaken slightly. Storming is from High Templar, take two to get an Archon, those two units are pretty much the same as in SC2. The Dark Templar are very similar to their SC2 successors, no blink though. Take two of them to get a Dark Archon, which special gimmick is to mind control an enemy Unit - Permanently. I'm not certain you can even make Dark Archons in Multiplayer...
All these players who you say "suck" made me play some games on the ladder.
I got placed in Bronze League (used to be Platinum) and won 3/11 games, two of the wins being from cannon rushes I defended fairly comfortably.
I gotta say - Bronze level players are waaaaay better than they were 10 years ago. They might not play efficiently, but they're miles beyond the Bronze League I remember, where players wouldn't even leave their bases until they had maxxed out carriers.
Ngl, as a Zerg player, I only use lurkers if I absolutely must. As much as I can complain about things like teleporting BCs, widow mines and skytoss death balls, it feels absolutely disgusting to have even just a handful of lurkers and just Thanos snap an entire ground army in seconds. I’m not quite sure what they were smoking when they gave a unit with linear splash damage a huge range upgrade and giant anti armor damage, but it was clearly some strong stuff.
Someone has probably answered at this point, but Dark Archons have Mind Control, Feedback and Maelstrom. I think Maelstrom just holds units in place without making them invulnerable like Stasis does. But don't quote me on that. I don't think Dark Archons were ever really part of the Meta.
I thought I was a fraud at 3400 MMR, 0 control groups and 70 APM, but damn..... My macro is so bad I don't think I ever got to 60 drones ever. But something like a good engage and a few good orders within a fight is enough to carry you high it seems.
Everytime I see IODIS against zerg I know: it's going to be absolutely fantastic. Modern zergs are so weak on gold-master level, that applicant needs to do something extremely stupid to lose the game and being even more stupid to not realizing the stupidity and claim the imbalance. This time protos did so well at the early game that I was almost rooting for him. He almost made me to believe that game was unfair. And then 10K fight happen....
Honestly the problem of the series is that captain while asserting "is it imbalanced or do I suck" doesn't seem to recognize scenario "I suck, but it is still unbalanced". Let's be honest - everyone will always suck. We have seen players from all levels even pro asserted as "sucks", but losing because of making mistakes doesn't mean it's balanced.
For most of player's who can't play Perfect lack of Ballance means situations where probabilities of making mistake or impact of those mistakes are asymmetrical.
In this case guy's army melted in seconds because in heat of the moment he made a mistake of not using an attack move and his units simply walked over lurkers not dealings any damage and dying. While it is also possible to do a similar mistake from zerg side and walking with lurkers into a protoss death ball it usually doesn't happen.
I think SC2 unit pathing and clumping up patterns makes the army that is not well controlled very vulnerable to lurker damage especially when army is walking towards lurkers as they deal splash damage in straight lines. So consequences of not doing at least basic correct micro against lurkers are catastrophic and this is why in my book it is not balanced.
Guessing people have already commented on how archons/dark archons worked in BW by now, so I'm just going to say that dark archons probably would've rather had psi storm instead of feedback (╹ڡ╹ )
Bro the anime comment is spot on hahaha
I've heard of a frog in a pond and I'm in the US. I can't imagine a frog fending off a coyote, yet "ribbit ribbit ribbit". Frogs sit in the all you can eat bug-buffet and taunt all the predators within a quarter mile (half a km) all day (and night) every day all summer and nothing bad happens to them.
Harstem in sc1 2 templars made and a regular archon and 2 DT's made a (dark Archon) which was a spell caster that had mind control. Once you mind control a unit, it was then yours forever from what i remember.
Also just to let you know, im a frog in a pond :'v
Sure, try "a little bit of Brood War", but mark my words, even with loads of practice you won't be anywhere near Artosis level. As a former W3 player you have no idea about the BW mechanics. But would love to see that of course :)
I think "a frog in a pond" refers to the frogs in a russian children book (a traveller frog), where regular frogs are pictured as a creatures that always praise their own swamp where everything is better then everywhere else. In contrast with that special "traveller" frog that was collaborating with birds to experiment with travelling. Sadly, that brave frog could not manage to travel far enough, ended in an another swamp, bragging with her new friends about how good other places are. So probably "frog in a pond" is someone who does not want to discover something and step into the unknown.
Thank you for mentioning up to 20 workers is more efficient than long distance mining, im a low masters player and I didn't know that. More helpful facts like that in future vids would be very appreciated.
It would be rad if when you said "This is a shitty response", you gave examples of what a good/better response would have been and why they're better. Otherwise it's pretty meaningless.
Jesus, I'd 100% let Harstem roast my games.
but I don't think he'd find the words to explain why I accidentally started my lair and roach warren at 8 minutes
Britain is a part of europe. Its not a part of the EU. But unless they take their island and go somewhere else the former is not changing anytime soon.
11:20 lol, he runs away from the roaches, with a flying unit. Just to fly into spores.....
19:16 why are the disruptores in front of the army?
And yes, yes i know the answer is: because of no control groupes!
Not sure if you've done this before, but this would be a great game to have 2 pros pick up where the gg left off without telling them what the game looks like (if this is possible). They load in and see what happens.
Try brood war!!!
Brood war pls!
hahahahah, do this guy not know what detection is ? :D Sure lurkers are good units but like siege tank you can just kill them as they don't move if they attack.
Does the complete opposite of what you're meant to do against lurkers (walk into them in a straight line), and complains about imba. Hilarious!
Wise man said: "Each lurker is like a tank and a half. If you wouldn't go into an area where are fifteen tanks attacking you, then you shouldn't go where there are ten lurkers attack you."
All I can really say is that anybody in diamond league is still better than the vast majority of players, even if he seems like a poor player in Harestem's eyes XD.
i feel like the whole "frog in its pond" thing was kinda literal... just a frog camping out till a fly gets too close, then snapping it up with its tongue.
I swear he MUST pay these guys to talk like this in their imba forms, they are almost always so confident in themself being flawless lol
Nerd not even knowing its extended thermal lance psh cannot watch this guy anymore..the colossi already have thermal lances
Has he ever said that something is IMBA? Because without watching I can guess that the author of the complaint sucks.
well i only know like "Frog in a fountain" like what he sees from there is his univers he dosent know theres a "outside" from his point of view
Protoss was almost ahead the whole game even with the proxy hatch and nexus delay and just let it get away from him by walking into very obvious lurkers. Just walk around them.
Does he mean frog or fish? Because if he said a big fish in a pond that would make a lot more sense but frog I'm a little bit confused on.
Astrea uses the Dva announcer afaik
Harstem the EU is not Europe. Just because they left the EU it doesn't mean the British Isles swam away 💀
The amount of wrong comments about the frog thing is baffling. If you don't know, don't comment?
Someone is brain dead because they don't play a specific video game a certain way? 🤦♂️