There is a worship-to-hatred pipeline with many Dream Theater fans, and it was going on before the band hit rock bottom circa 2015-2017. DT is in a bind because people get hooked on their fast, technical passages, and yet those same passages get fatiguing to listen to. Maybe with The Astonishing, they were trying to scale back and do something simpler. Unfortunately, they equated "simple" with "clichéd and cheesy."
P.S. they really did Derrick Sherinian bad back then. Yes it was obvious that he wasn't the shred master Jordan Rudess was, but he was getting better by the end of the last tour. PLUS, he might have been able to show the band how to continue on a different path of writing good music without all the shredding which was going to fade with age anyway. Perhaps if he was in the band today, DT wouldn't seem so over the hill trying to play licks and passages that Father Time has determined is not for them anymore.
It's the anger of someone that saw something very beautiful go to waste. I can relate to this on a profound level because I've had immense love for DT...they were my favourite band for decades and I played every Petrucci solo I could get my hands on...knew every drum fill by heart etc. And when you see something so beautiful being destroyed...of course anger and frustration arise. This channel helps me cope with that side of my love-hate-relationship with DT. I am very thankful for this channel. The content is genuine and raw and hoenst.
@@blackgrizzly4987 he clearly hasnt liked them for long. He has said their best stuff was 1990s, when octavarium and the count of tuscany exist (aka the best songs they have made)
Moore important to me, he says no to cheesy keyboard sounds, ostentatious playing, and 500 pointless apps and widgets that never get used on Dream Theater albums.
@@theravenskillrebelmilitia139 I like Moore way more, and I'm not saying that because of moore's playing on the first 3 dream theater albums. Moore's solo output (Chroma Key, OSI) is really worth checking out, I've listened to only 2 Rudess albums but they weren't intersting at all.
@@DK-5 I'm dying to know Kevin Moore's opinion on the current state of DT. He always struck me as having a lot of integrity, so I can't see him approving of it.
@@theravenskillrebelmilitia139 I think Moore, Sherinian and Portnoy were smart enough to understand that It was better leaving a band that was going in a complete downfall. And hopefully all three of them put out much better music compared to new DT suff.
Jordan Rudess is technically proficient no doubt. But it tends to overpower the rest of the band/rhythm section. Kevin and Derek's parts were more subtle and placed well within the song in my opinion.
I fully agree. There are so many "singable" solos and cool atmospheric sections from Derek in just one album (well, two if we count ACOS), and of course Kevin was so unique. Then you have 10+ records with Rudess, and the good moments are so relatively scarce... It's just sad. In most cases, Jordan's solos don't do anything for the song at all and feel they have been improvised in one take and that's that (which could be the case given Jordan's undeniably incredible technique). In the worst cases, his solos actually ruin entire songs (for example, A Rite of Passage, to mention one that is very evident). I really love when he plays more self-contained and when his solos feel actually composed after some thought process. But sometimes he -and the band, I guess- is happy with just pulling off some technically impressive solo and leave it as that.
He's ridiculously talented but the biggest gripe among us is that he does these little circus melody solos that kill the whole feel a song has been building up to. Whereas Derek had the guitar-like and raw sound of keys. Moore knew how to be subtle and when to just make something have incredible feel on the keys.
To me, the only song Rudass actually sounded decent in was Blind Faith. Everything else is either sappy, adult contemporary bullshit or widdly diddly nonsense.
yes. DT worked when they were "held back" by "lesser" keyboard players and even outside producers. it forced them to write songs, not masturbatory oddyseys.
I do have some more videos I want to release eventually. This channel is a low priority though, and unfortunately, somewhere between one-third and one-half of Dream Theater's audience appears to be totally impervious to the truth. It does not matter how many lies and gaffes the band is caught in. They get angry rather than persauded.
@@theravenskillrebelmilitia139 Someone voicing disinterest is not the same as them claiming to be the boss of you. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that he knows he can't dictate your content lol. That being said, love your channel, you're doing the Lord's work.
I enjoy Dream Theater but I´m a critical fan. I agree with your opinion on Labrie´s vocals. But what i want to say is there is no perfect band, every band sucks in some point. Why dream theater´s negatives points is more hated than the negative points by others bands? For example, labrie sucks, but Dave Mustaine is worst. Dave Mustaine even don´t have voice to sing( and i like megadeth). I mean every band "sucks" in some point, every band has bad elements. Do the owner of this channel listen to the old dream theater at least?
No, I don't listen to the "old" Dream Theater, although that could have a variety of meanings. I respect their work through A Dramatic Turn Of Events other than very subpar live vocals after the food poisoning incident. The 2013 self-titled album is the first completely unacceptable studio album from them due to drum sound.
He is a whackjob who Jordan Rudess hired to help with a video back in 2013, failing to do any sort of background check. Matthew has a penchant for issuing threats of death and violence to anyone who doesn't support his delusions of being a super-important activist and documentary filmmaker. Myself and Charlie Dominici are among those who have been harassed by Matthew. Jordan eventually removed the Matthew video from his TH-cam channel. There is a story there which Jordan has not told anyone (yet). There is a movie about Matthew which is going to be released soon called Social Media Monster.
This is my new favourite channel. I bet the DT fan base has a bounty out for you lol I always feel I lose testosterone just by listening to these turds. Petrucci is kinda cool though
Petrucci is the reason this band has gone downhill. He is the leader with MP out of the pack, and stays inside a narrow, little comfort zone. Won't get a new singer. Won't stop emulating Rush right down to getting Hugh Syme to do most album artwork. Won't vary up his guitar tone. Puts out 200 signature guitars that don't bring anything new to the table. The Crapstonishing was his attempt at an "experimental" album and ended up being one of the worst albums in history. I guess he's just not capable of innovative thought.
@@theravenskillrebelmilitia139 I have it on kind-of-sort-of good authority, through a "friend of a friend of a friend" kind of deal, that The Astonishing was actually largely the part of Petrucci's wife, which would go some way to explaining why it's so far-removed from any of their other work and why Petrucci had so much faith in it. If there's actually some truth in that, also feeds into the soy theme here, so there's that.
Crazy how DT used to be my favorite band, and now I really can't stand them
There is a worship-to-hatred pipeline with many Dream Theater fans, and it was going on before the band hit rock bottom circa 2015-2017. DT is in a bind because people get hooked on their fast, technical passages, and yet those same passages get fatiguing to listen to. Maybe with The Astonishing, they were trying to scale back and do something simpler. Unfortunately, they equated "simple" with "clichéd and cheesy."
same here.back in the early days i loved them.now i can’t even listen to an entire song,exept falling into infinity songs.
P.S. they really did Derrick Sherinian bad back then. Yes it was obvious that he wasn't the shred master Jordan Rudess was, but he was getting better by the end of the last tour. PLUS, he might have been able to show the band how to continue on a different path of writing good music without all the shredding which was going to fade with age anyway. Perhaps if he was in the band today, DT wouldn't seem so over the hill trying to play licks and passages that Father Time has determined is not for them anymore.
@@fleetadmiralsidiqi1941 Too much showboating with Rudess in the band and not enough TONE.
I always preferred Symphony X over Dream Theater.
this is what happens when you're terminally online
Man, I applaud your determination and consistency, being mad at DT for so long... That's some dedication.
It's the anger of someone that saw something very beautiful go to waste.
I can relate to this on a profound level because I've had immense love for DT...they were my favourite band for decades and I played every Petrucci solo I could get my hands on...knew every drum fill by heart etc.
And when you see something so beautiful being destroyed...of course anger and frustration arise.
This channel helps me cope with that side of my love-hate-relationship with DT.
I am very thankful for this channel. The content is genuine and raw and hoenst.
@@blackgrizzly4987 he clearly hasnt liked them for long. He has said their best stuff was 1990s, when octavarium and the count of tuscany exist (aka the best songs they have made)
The Soylent Man
Soyprised I didn't think of that!
This is the most 2016 thing I've ever seen...and I fucking love it 🤣
Dr.Moore says no to soy
Moore important to me, he says no to cheesy keyboard sounds, ostentatious playing, and 500 pointless apps and widgets that never get used on Dream Theater albums.
@@theravenskillrebelmilitia139 I like Moore way more, and I'm not saying that because of moore's playing on the first 3 dream theater albums. Moore's solo output (Chroma Key, OSI) is really worth checking out, I've listened to only 2 Rudess albums but they weren't intersting at all.
@@DK-5 I'm dying to know Kevin Moore's opinion on the current state of DT. He always struck me as having a lot of integrity, so I can't see him approving of it.
We know what Derek S thinks. He made several thinly-veiled potshots at LaBrie and Rudess, and got on the bad side of the forum circle jerks for that.
@@theravenskillrebelmilitia139 I think Moore, Sherinian and Portnoy were smart enough to understand that It was better leaving a band that was going in a complete downfall. And hopefully all three of them put out much better music compared to new DT suff.
Jordan Rudess is technically proficient no doubt. But it tends to overpower the rest of the band/rhythm section. Kevin and Derek's parts were more subtle and placed well within the song in my opinion.
I fully agree. There are so many "singable" solos and cool atmospheric sections from Derek in just one album (well, two if we count ACOS), and of course Kevin was so unique. Then you have 10+ records with Rudess, and the good moments are so relatively scarce... It's just sad.
In most cases, Jordan's solos don't do anything for the song at all and feel they have been improvised in one take and that's that (which could be the case given Jordan's undeniably incredible technique). In the worst cases, his solos actually ruin entire songs (for example, A Rite of Passage, to mention one that is very evident). I really love when he plays more self-contained and when his solos feel actually composed after some thought process. But sometimes he -and the band, I guess- is happy with just pulling off some technically impressive solo and leave it as that.
He's ridiculously talented but the biggest gripe among us is that he does these little circus melody solos that kill the whole feel a song has been building up to. Whereas Derek had the guitar-like and raw sound of keys. Moore knew how to be subtle and when to just make something have incredible feel on the keys.
Its like how the Boomers/Gen X-ers think if they just say "epic" enough, their kids will respect them more.
Don't forget "dude," "homey," and randomly name-dropping Tupac Shakur.
Nobody's talking about NFTs craps and apps Jordan Rudess put out?
Rudess NFTs
Petrucci Beard Oil
Petrucci whiskey
Astonishing video game
That's totally what we all wanted and asked for, guys! Not a better singer...
Dream theater caused metal culture to sit out
That slight zoom in at the end XD
The keys have sounded like complete circus music from the day Jordan joined the band.
To me, the only song Rudass actually sounded decent in was Blind Faith. Everything else is either sappy, adult contemporary bullshit or widdly diddly nonsense.
yes. DT worked when they were "held back" by "lesser" keyboard players and even outside producers. it forced them to write songs, not masturbatory oddyseys.
@@isukatgeetar15 YES! Very underrated song and the unison solos are some of, if not, the hardest to play
@@isukatgeetar15 Blind Faith is one of DT's best... Absolutely amazing song.
Dream Theater is 100% free from animal protein, unless your surname is Petrucci.
100% free of animal protein
100% full of shit
I hope you make some new videos when the new album comes out
I do have some more videos I want to release eventually. This channel is a low priority though, and unfortunately, somewhere between one-third and one-half of Dream Theater's audience appears to be totally impervious to the truth. It does not matter how many lies and gaffes the band is caught in. They get angry rather than persauded.
Focus on the musical mishaps. Random joke-videos do not interest me.
Who cares? You don't get to dictate the content I make.
@@selim6033 Found the vegan
@@theravenskillrebelmilitia139 Someone voicing disinterest is not the same as them claiming to be the boss of you. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that he knows he can't dictate your content lol.
That being said, love your channel, you're doing the Lord's work.
I’m so confused on what I watched, but I feel as though it makes sense.
I always look at these as ripping accomplished people by youtubers. Who cares how people eat, if they live for soy let em, leaves more meat for me😂🤣
I enjoy Dream Theater but I´m a critical fan. I agree with your opinion on Labrie´s vocals. But what i want to say is there is no perfect band, every band sucks in some point. Why dream theater´s negatives points is more hated than the negative points by others bands? For example, labrie sucks, but Dave Mustaine is worst. Dave Mustaine even don´t have voice to sing( and i like megadeth). I mean every band "sucks" in some point, every band has bad elements. Do the owner of this channel listen to the old dream theater at least?
No, I don't listen to the "old" Dream Theater, although that could have a variety of meanings. I respect their work through A Dramatic Turn Of Events other than very subpar live vocals after the food poisoning incident. The 2013 self-titled album is the first completely unacceptable studio album from them due to drum sound.
@@theravenskillrebelmilitia139 Old dream theater: when dream and...; images and words and awake. Do you like dream theater or not?
I dont get it.
th-cam.com/video/hPrpDDYQpm0/w-d-xo.html
And this is why Spock's Beard is superior
Soy is good for you
It must be if guys who frequently eat it always have their mouths agape in joy!
who is this guy called Matthew Berdyck and can you explain this rabbit hole? sorry for my bad english
He is a whackjob who Jordan Rudess hired to help with a video back in 2013, failing to do any sort of background check. Matthew has a penchant for issuing threats of death and violence to anyone who doesn't support his delusions of being a super-important activist and documentary filmmaker. Myself and Charlie Dominici are among those who have been harassed by Matthew. Jordan eventually removed the Matthew video from his TH-cam channel. There is a story there which Jordan has not told anyone (yet). There is a movie about Matthew which is going to be released soon called Social Media Monster.
wtf @@theravenskillrebelmilitia139
This is my new favourite channel. I bet the DT fan base has a bounty out for you lol I always feel I lose testosterone just by listening to these turds. Petrucci is kinda cool though
Petrucci is the reason this band has gone downhill. He is the leader with MP out of the pack, and stays inside a narrow, little comfort zone. Won't get a new singer. Won't stop emulating Rush right down to getting Hugh Syme to do most album artwork. Won't vary up his guitar tone. Puts out 200 signature guitars that don't bring anything new to the table. The Crapstonishing was his attempt at an "experimental" album and ended up being one of the worst albums in history. I guess he's just not capable of innovative thought.
@@theravenskillrebelmilitia139 I have it on kind-of-sort-of good authority, through a "friend of a friend of a friend" kind of deal, that The Astonishing was actually largely the part of Petrucci's wife, which would go some way to explaining why it's so far-removed from any of their other work and why Petrucci had so much faith in it.
If there's actually some truth in that, also feeds into the soy theme here, so there's that.
@@DrakodanSRL So basically, Petrucci got pussy-whipped into making that album?
Portnoy is not doing better. He has no band, maybe nobody wants him.
@@RoPabl0 Winery Dogs isn't a band???