Purdue guy here. We have a young team so it is tough to quibble with individual matchups because we haven't seen the current Purdue players play at the level they'll be expected next year. Coach Painter does a great job with the talent he has, which will be a huge factor in performance next year.
Indiana's roster looks a lot better on paper. But the main difference is that Purdue is often better than the sum of their parts, and Indiana is not. It's a 5v5 game, not 5 1v1 games.
ROFL at historical mediocre Purdue. It took 44 years for Purdue to have reached the Final Four again lol. By the way I am not an Indiana fan but rather my favorite program is historically greater than any Big 10 team.
@@JTH-hm8ew Mediocre? History? How about the past 20 years of stank ass iu basketball. Still living in the 80s and 90s huh? Hasnt little i small u failed to make the tournament 10 of the last 20 years? How many coaches have IU fans run out of town during that time frame? Your “history” is history.
ROFL. I am a North Carolina fan and not an Indiana fan. Purdue basketball would never win a debate with North Carolina basketball. Elite UNC NCAA record 21 Final Fours and NCAA record for most NCAA tourney game wins.
@@JTH-hm8ew No doubt UNC would win that argument. They would win against pretty much anyone. But that is probably because they started paying players 30 years ago. That helps in recruiting. Look at what NIL is doing now days. It would be 100 times greater 30 years ago. It also helped that they were given a, very good, degree without ever showing up for class because lets be honest. Your a basketball school. There is no way it was only the football kids getting to skip. Regardless the resume is far superior. You are correct. Congrats.
@@JesseD2 I’m a Purdue fan…I am real. Every season IU has higher ranked recruits and Purdue has outperformed them for like the last 5 seasons. Until IU can prove otherwise their roster ranks don’t mean very much. To be honest I thought IU was going to be very good this past season and they didn’t even make the tourney.
@@michaelpatrick7764with all due respect Purdue has had a better team the past five years. Edey for the last two and Ivey/Williams, high end recruits don’t automatically make good players at the college level.
@@briandeheer9614 completely agree, however, rankings is really what they are going by here is all I’m saying. I don’t blame them for doing so. Painter ran everything through Edey and our guards really never got a true chance to show who they are when the focal offensive point is on them.
IU has the better recruiting class every year but the difference is the recruits for Purdue stay and don’t leave for the draft. Purdue is no slouch in recruiting. They get 2-3 4 star players a year. As of recently IU has brought in NBA talent for 1 year. Imagine if JHS stayed last year as projected before stepping on campus. IU is easily a top 20 team
Here’s the problem comparing stats from guys that played on other teams last season and guys that were featured options vs guys that were all on Purdue playing complimentary roles to the NPOY… Galloway was a starter and played 33 min per game on a bad Indiana team. Colvin was like a 10 min per game guy and with Edey’s usage rate it made it tough for anyone else to put up huge numbers. That’s not to say they can’t as sophomores though. Both Colvin and Heide were pretty efficient but it takes a lot of projecting when comparing someone like Colvin or Heide to a guy like Galloway when you’ve seen what Galloway is as a starter and 33 min per game guy.
Purdue fans are more than OK with the IU hype train that is going on. IU has put together a better roster than last year for sure but still have to put it together. Purdue is playing the long game while still putting out a good team next year. 25-26 is the season though the Boilers have their sights set on.
IU guy here and it looks like we have a very good roster going into next year maybe the most balanced we have had in a very long time…….. coaching is my biggest concern!!
I think with Purdue's roster, there are lots of unknowns. Will Berg could be a good 7 footer, and they have a backup 7ft3 freshman. Camden heidi, and Colvin are both athletic, long, and good shooters, they could be really good. I think TKR still plays the 4, maybe he improves his 3 point shooting. Braden and Fletcher are known commodities, and Gicari Harris probably only needa to play 5 minuted a game behind Braden. I think kanon has a lot of potential, and by the end if the year really good, but I think he may be a bit raw of a player still. Pretty much all of Purdue players are good 3 point shooters outside the center position, and all capable defenders. Really balanced team, just without a superstsr.
This is the first season in a long time for the Boilers that they're going to improve SIGNIFICANTLY throughout the season. Not only are they young, but they have guys who are either true freshmen or haven't played big minutes before. Plus Painter will almost certainly change the offensive structure next year, abandoning the low post focus and switching to a Baby Boiler style with more spacing. TKR is a good post scorer, but they're going to have much better scoring guards and wings like Smith, Colvin, Heide, Loyer, and Catchings.
Painter has been coaching college ball over 20 years and Woody 3. Woody is on the rise and figuring out recruiting as well as bench coaching. Get ready for for IU to kick backsides in the big 18,
I understand why you go with established known players. But as a Purdue fan I would never, ever, ever change players. I'll run with my players upside being astronomically higher. But I get why you have your take. Looking forward to actually playing.
I think it's cool that you guys are confident enough to admit that you were not very prepared for this. Great video, a perfect illustration of how the media generally views talent and roster construction.
CJ Cox is a 6’2” combo guard he’s not going to play the 3. Very loosely categorizing I would say: 1/2: Smith, Harris, Cox 2/3: Loyer, Colvin, Benter 3/4: Heide, Catchings 4/5: TKR, Furst, Burgess, Berg, Jacobsen Definitely unproven compared to Indiana’s roster but we have 13 playable guys. The competition for minutes *should* ensure a solid rotation. Anything can happen but in my biased homer opinion this team will be very good lol
Thank you. Clearly you’re way more tuned into the team than these two - who I love and will get there. Their starters they named show me they are pretty damn far out of the loop on Purdue. I’m actually shocked by it
ok so let's take a step back here for a moment comparing Purdue and IU. I realize that Evan Miya player rankings aren't perfect but neither is blindly looking at stats because of good stats mid team type of things... but here we go IU's player 2023-2024 Evanmiya ranking (674 average) Ballo 44 Mgbako 250 Galloway 285 Myles Rice 387 Malik Reneau 405 Luke Goode 522 Anthony Leal 1053 Kanaan Carlyle 1171 Gabe Cupps 1953 Purdue (421 average) Smith 6 Fletcher Loyer 112 TKR 259 Heide 658 Colvin 659* Furst 838 *Colvin technically shows no data, but similar to Heide. Both in top ten of P6 Freshmen for eFG%. Colvin actually lowers the average here so it's not helping Purdue Purdue's returners actually beat out the rankings of these great transfers. The segment putting a lof of emphasis on Reneau stats but he still is only ranked 405. For this exercise, I don't include Catchings/Tucker since they don't have rankings but they are similar rated recruits. Basically a wash for this conversation Wildcard: Gicarri just won the Iverson 3 pt contest, has handles and could be a dawg. Berg has battled with Edey for 2 years now and didn't get PT due to the B2B POTY playing in front of him. The other part here is that Loyer is ELITE at what he is expected to do, shoot 3's and make them. Number 2 in the B1G behind Gillis for all individuals averaging 3 attempts per game. He's close to double Galloway's 3 pt% which, from the guard spot, is absolutely huge. We also talk about the creation that Galloway has, but Loyer doesn't need that to be effective in his role as he can entry pass and Smith handles creation. You might look at this and think "yeah but if you only take the top 5, IU is better averaged". Truth here, but also a truth is that everyone isn't going 40 minutes here. I think the last part to think about IS the large recruiting class though. Purdue is bringing in 6 guys and expecting Berg to make a jump as well. If Purdue only needs 2 more guys to contribute there, that's pretty good odds on finding that dude amongst the 7. IU bringing in 1 recruit that they hope is effective immediately, otherwise they drop off real fast. Basically, what the synopsis of this is that 1:1, IU players may beat Purdue. As a team? Purdue has the better roster to fit roles. Lastly- Cox would not be the option before Jack Benter or Gicarri based on film/recruiting profile
Counter to Cox. Go watch painter talk about him. He gushes about him just like he did Braden. He calls him the steal of the class. Which is what he called Braden after signing him. Should be interesting to follow this whole class. It could be Baby Boilers 2.0.
@@NDHURLER55 per 40 is tough to use as a guide because the sample size is so small; Berg is a more mobile, 5 that will stretch the floor; teams will learn they can't double TKR and they can't slough off of Berg. This team will run a lot of teams off the court; Berg is much faster in transition than Zach; different style same results
Purdue has some tantalizing talent but a lot of it is unknown. Which as a fan is kinda exciting. We don't get too many guys like Catchings, and Heide/Colvin is also a level of athlete I'm not quite used to (Ivey being the exception of course. Maybe the trend is changing with Purdue). I'm really excited to watch the season play out and see what painter is able to put together.
We know what Indiana has from the portal and what these players can do. However, I would take Purdue's roster over Indiana's any day! I believe we are going to be just as good if not better than we were last year because we have way more athletic ability basketball talent, we are just young and that will be the only hindrance. Will Berg will not be Zack Edey next year but we don't need that we've got at least three guys that are over 40 inch vertical leapers who will show incredible athleticism next year against any team that they play. It will be fun to watch for sure.
it didnt look very tantalizing in the champ game. hiede is a great leaper and can hit an open three. he does not do much off the dribble. he is ok defensively, but is going to need a significant jump if he is starting. colvin has a great shot, and can do a bit more off the dribble at this point. he definitely improved defensively as the year progressed. if i was picking a player to vastly improve it would be him. where i think the sleepers guys and many purdue fans are wrong is that they think braden smith is the undisputed best player between both teams and therefore purdue will be good because of that. i think smith is a fine player, but to be that cut and dry about it is hilarious to me. smith can much more easily be taken out of a game than edey and thats where purdue is gonna have to get creative next year if they want to keep their current standard.their floor will be much lower imo. even when they didnt play well lasy year they pretty much still were able to win. they got 5 offensive rebounds a game from a single player! thats crazy. they shot so many free throws because one player was a foul magnet. like how will this team get to the line, which was a big reason their offense was so efficient? they basically still only have one guy who can penetrate and he is not the fleetest of foot. call me skeptical of purdue next season. doesnt mean it will be indiana taking over. i just think the league is much more open this coming season
@@corsmalls they didn't say Brayden Smith was the best player out of both teams. They were just saying that he is the best guard out of these two teams
@@corsmalls Catchings is a complete unknown, could be a star, could be a ways away. Certainly has a lot of talent. Colvin has a ton of talent too, but was raw and we didn't ask him to do a whole lot. Everyone on the team really will be asked to do things they weren't on last years team, which is part of what makes it exciting as a fan, for me at least. I'm not sure the champ game is a good bar either. UConn is the best team I've seen in a few years. They were clearly on another level. Purdue ain't gonna see many teams that good, if any lol.
Let me argue this, and I’m a lifelong IU fan btw, Matt Painter is the better coach and subsequently the better program. There has been many years where IU had the better roster talent but couldn’t get them to play together or prepare adequately to play to the teams full potential. Painter is the exact opposite, that dude gets the most out of every kid on his team.
Purdue will run the same actions with Will Berg. He has good mobility and good hands. He isn’t Zach Edey but he is 7’2 and everyone else should be better. I don’t even think TKr will be the 5. I think it’s a breakout season for Will Berg. Train keeps rolling
i think thats the best play for purdue tbh. start berg and tkr. they dont have rim protection otherwise. i could see berg giving the 9 and 6 or so. tkr is not good enough to start in the big at center and actually want your team to win.
Painter is NOT going to run the same action for a backup center as he did for Edey. If the focal point of the team is Berg then we are in for a llllong season. Painter will run an offense similar to what he ran with Edwards/Cline. We will see Purdue go back to a motion offense with multiple screeners, drives to the basket and a more uptempo style. Berg wil NOT BE a starter. Lol
Who knows which team will be the best. IU clearly has more experience, way more than the Edeyless, Gillisless boilers. Ballo's 5th year playing major college ball, Mailck's 3rd season playing heavy minutes, Galloway who tied Isiah Thomas for the most assists in a season for IU, yes without playing in IU's last two games, Gal tied Isiah for the single season IU record in assists. And IU got Goode who is a knockdown three-point shooter who will be playing his 5th season. Miles Rice was fantastic his freshman of year in Pac 12. Mac won the same award in the Big 10. Both Bryson and Newton have tons of potential as big-time athlete with basketball skills. Brayden Smith is good but he won't get past what IU will become, a real top 10 team
Man I'm a Purdue guy and not at all down on your video! I don't even think you're missing anything. But, what a lot of people might be missing is how much talent is coming in, and how much talent was sitting unused on Purdues final four team. To the unaware, these guys are going to " come out of no where", but to those of us who pay attention, we're salivating waiting for the next guys up!
This SHOULDN’T be a question. Indiana has the better and more VETERAN team. Yes Purdue has a really good recruiting class, but REMEMBER, young teams are NOT succeeding well in this day and age of College Basketball. Kentucky had the top class last year, and what happened? THEY LOST FIRST ROUND IF THE NCAA TOURNAMENT. Purdue doesn’t have Zach Edey anymore, and they lost players to the transfer portal. So yes, it is clear Indiana has the better team and PROVEN talent, while Purdue is going to have a bunch of players that have NOT played CBB yet, not saying Purdue will be a bad team, but Purdue is NOT a top 10 or 15 team until they prove it otherwise. Indiana SHOULD be top 15 MINIMUM bc they return Malik Runeau, Trey Galloway, etc, even Mackenzie Mgbako they return. Plus, they have brought top players from the portals including Omar Ballo, the big from Arizona who arguably is the BEST player from the transfer portal
This is a fun exorcise just for Purdue to win the conference by 3 games again. By stars indiana has had the better roster the last 2 years but hasnt done anything with it in conference. I am curious to see what wins out. New School Money vs Old School Recruiting
By the end of the year this is my projection of Top 10 players between IU and PU: 1. Mgbako 2. Ballo 3. Catchings 4. Rice 5. Smith 6. Reneau 7. Galloway 8. Heide 9. TKR 10. Carlyle 1st out is Tucker
@@camdenknies8646not hatred. Think he’s limited on his size and he got to play with the the best player in CBB for 2 straight years. I think this year should be focusing on Kanon being the #1 option and I think the gravity Edey brought cannot be overstated. Think that goes away and makes passes and driving lanes tougher for him
As an IU fan I love the talent of the roster, but Purdue has Painter. It would be a fun exercise to review talent of last years rosters. Probably closer with Purdue ahead, but the games weren’t close at all. I’m afraid that could easily happen again. This is the year Woodson has show the league he can coach, or IU will continue to resemble the Lakers and get another HC. I beg coach Woodson to prove me (and every other reasonable person) wrong. Great shows guys. Really enjoying the channel! “Dusty gonna fill it” best line this spring 😉
You cannot base this off of "stats" Also, most people know IU gets a lot of talent but yet they still do not have success And I think a team bringing in 3 potential starters from a different team could have issues. And are you sure TKR will not be much better stats? He could be a walking double double as well with increased minutes
you think or you're hoping there are issues? two different things. what has tkr shown you in his three years at purdue so far to make you think he will avg a dbl dbl. he is maybe 6'8, doesnt have great lift off the floor, and is not very skilled. he'll get some hustle stats, sure, but offers no rim protection or good defense to this point in his career.
@@corsmalls Not hoping at all. I will admit IU has talent. I am saying until proven that it works ranking them over a team that has been way more successful over the past 10 years is kind of drastic. I do think IU should be better. I have seen players make that leap at Purdue once they are more of a focal role and TKR has flashes that to me think he could be a 12 and 10 kind of guy. Dude was the second big man option for his first two years to the NPOY
@@corsmalls Also, for example Edey after Ivey left I am sure was not thought of to make the leap he did. Not saying TKR will be NPOY but he is very talented
Cox is not a 3, if he plays much it will be as a backup PG. Myles starts backed by Loyer at the 2, Heide starts at the 3 backed by Harris. TKR starts at the 4 with Catching off the bench early. That may switch as the season goes forward. Berg starts at the 5 with TKR and Burgess as the backups. IU went out and bought the best ream their backers could buy because they couldn't recruit anyone. Can Woodson make them a team. We'll see.
I think these guys don't understand Painter. Berg will be the 5. TKR will be the 4. Heide will be the 3 Loyer will be the 2 and Smith the 1. Harris will back up Smith. Colvin will back up Loyer and Heide. Catchings will be the primary back up at 4 and some at 3. Berg at 5 with Furst as the back up. Benter, Cox, Jacobsen will RS. Burgess will be possible RS but could see some minutes at 4/5. He has a college body. Is fast and can shoot 3s. But freshmen have trouble understanding the complexity of Painter's defense. IU always looks like they have a better roster until Purdue kicks their butts. Same thing this year. Talent is one component of the roster. Playing together, understand the offense and defense schemes and having offense and defense schemes that work are huge in college basketball. Talent rules in the NBA but if that was the case Calipari would still be at KY.
Yea, he's taken 2 downtrodden NBA teams to become playoff teams. You know the NBA, the highest level of basketball in the world? Don't forget he swept the series thecseason before last, when Painter lost to a 16 seed in rhe NCAAs. SmH
Painter is the better coach, but Woodson is 3-3 against Edey. While Woodson constructed a bad roster last season, he has also constructed a good-looking roster this season. Let's see how he does with much more talent than he had last season. If Woodson wins 19 games with this team, then there will be problems lol.
You did this game with every team Purdue played last year and the result was largely the same with Purdue having 1 point against a lot of teams…and you guys saying “oh I guess that means XX team wins
How come no one is talking about how the guards could struggle next year for Purdue? Especially without Edey, arguably one of the most dominate College basketball players ever.
@@johnhaime6412 Losing Edey also means a lot less space for these guys. A full season without him should be an adjustment. Smith will still be elite, didn’t rely on Edey nearly as much as some of the other guys and is more talented. Loyer will struggle and that 3% should drop
the the question of which team wins the power forward position: clearly it's Indiana. Reneau can be a 1st or 2nd option on a reasonable team. Neither of the Purdue players could be a 1st or 2nd option on a reasonable team.
It depends on who does not red shirt next year we will have freshmen but they are very talented! Reneu was very talented as a freshman as well. We will have Burgess or Catchings or Jacobson or even Furst - we will be just fine!
That back court was decimated last year....people tend to forget that. HECK, the year before last, lost pg after 11 games and had to go with a freshman.
TKR wont pull double teams so Purdue spacing wont be great. Thats bad for Loyer but ok for Heide Colvin and Catchings. Defensively Purdue will be awful if TKR plays the 5. Berg (and all the other young players) will have to really step up for Purdue to have great season. I dont expect Purdue to win Big 10 this year. IU ...definitely talented...not sure if they have coaching to be top 25.
Let's pump the brakes on Painter being a great Coach. One F4 appearance in 20 years does not connote great and, coupled with his predecessor its 1 F4 in 43 years. Also, we will see what Smith truly is without Edey.
@@kennethdescombes4097 Nobody in their right mind would doubt that Big Ten teams like IU have talent. They just never won anything with any of those players.
Loyer is Purdue’s 6th or 7th best player this year. Smith, TKR, Colvin, Heide, Catchings, idk who else and the rest of that order but - Loyer is worse than all those guys
This goes to show that when you're not very familiar with previous bench players, you're really bad at projecting future success. I think this video will end up being waaaaaay off.
Everyone so disrespectful towards Edey, ESPECIALLY Purdue fans. It’s kinda disappointing. I’m an IU fan, when TJD left last year, I said Purdue was clearly better than IU. Idk, people who are saying the teams are close this year are imo A) Coping B) disrespectful to the best player in purdues program history
Reneau and Ballo will eat Purdue alive. No Edey means each player on Purdue will have to do it on their own now. No free plays because of three defenders staying closer to Edey. There will be a dip in shooting percentage for every player.
Thanks for giving the Boilers motivation and dismissing one of the deepest benches in the country. Last year you guys constantly picked our opponents to win bc of "guard play" every time we played against another top 25 team. Smith and Loyer would then outplay and out preform said guards, every time. TKR, Smith, Loyer, Furst, Hiede, and Berg all returning and we add more athletic talent than Painter has ever had team wide! TKR, Furst, Berg can platoon the 5 depending upon match-ups. Harris, Jacobsen, Catchings, and Benter (severely underrated at 3* should be a 4*) all bring shooting and rim attacking abilities. I understand that on paper iu has bought a good team but I'm looking at coaching and culture. This isn't a new thing where iu suddenly has 5* talent, they've consistently had 5* players and still managed to under preform year after year.
@@corsmalls we have no idea what the line ups will be so I understand it's more of a comparison exercise. I said we'll be young but Painter is one of the best coaches especially when it comes to players buying into their roles.
Sleepers Media lost a lot of credibility from this video. Heide plays the 3, Colvin is a 2 or a 3, TKR will play the 4 with Catchings backing him up. Multiple guys could play the 5 (berg, furst, Jacobson). Coaching points: Painter 10 Woodson 0. Reneau and Ballo can’t guard a fence post. It’s the same stuff every year…..the IU hype is kind of comical. Rice/Karlyle coming from PAC-12….both sub 30% from deep, Trey at 26%. Just kidding about the credibility thing…you guys do great stuff…but I will remind of this when IU finishes 6th in the BIG
Braden Smith is really good until he faces elite athletes and players. Look at what he was reduced to against UConn. Rice averaged almost 15 a game in the PAC12 last year and is a much better athlete than Smith, plus he's probably got 4 inches on him. IU has potentially several future NBA players and Purdue has perhaps one with Catchings as long as his game can translate to the next level. '22-'23 season, when IU had an elite guard (Hood-Schifino) and center (TJD) they lost both games to IU and back then the rest of IU's roster wasn't that great. This year they are loaded from top to bottom.
not just uconn. he got 2 10 second violations in the nc state game going against horn. good player for sure, but all-american? lets just see on that shall we?
12 and 8 against the best team in the country is pretty good actually for Smith. This is just saying the Purdue is IUs super bowl if we are only taking head to head stock
IU's top 5 all are returning all conference honors recipients. 1. Ballo, 2. Reneau, 3. Mgbako, 4. Carlyle 5. RICE Galloway, Tucker and Newton would start for most teams in all cbb. Goode and the onltly missing piece a back-up 5 of worth would log solid minutes for most teams in cbb too.
dude newton hasn't played in 2 years, id pump the breaks a bit. the other two would def be rotation guys on most teams, but starters? not sure its that black n white
@corsmalls I will not pump the brakes on Newton. Everyone else is without ever watching videos on him , from games to pickup games and interviews. He says he is 100% back health wise and it has been plenty of time for him to be fully healthy. They handled his injuries like they would a budding superstar for a reason. He broke most weight lifting records when arrived last summer before they realized he needed another surgery to repair damage missed in his first surgery. He still showed his 43" vertical between surgeries last summer. He also comes in at 6'3" to 6'4" with a 6'10" wing span. He was one of his HS teams primary ball handlers and scorers on a team that had Stephon Castle who is likely a lottery pick this year. He has an easy repeatable shooting stroke and the mentality to be a shutdown defender as well as a primary scorer. Saying he is one of our top 3 bench options is not going out on any limb. The kid is an absolute driven beast. He will transition to this level as fast as any freshman but is not going to have to be depended on because of all the talent around him. When Newton signed to IU he was moving up fast in his class rankings and got up to 42. He often matched Castle his junior season before injury then missed his pre senior season in AAU and his senior year in HS and he was forgotten about by those talent evaluators.
@@kennethdescombes4097 look no one wants newton to do well more than me, but being off the court for about two years is tough. i think your expectations may be too high this season. if he is able to be in the rotation at all, call it a win. in time, if he regains that athletic ability, i have no problem seeing him prosper as his work ethic and attitude are spectacular
@corsmalls again, I am not backing off. The kid is ready to play, has been full go for a little while already, by the time bb season arrives his rust should be well removed. There is no reason he cannot be an impact player. I am not buying that he is going to be overwhelmed by the college game. He has played against tough competition in HS regularly and has a year of seeing his team go through a season and is going to be mentally prepared for it. You can be as unnexpecting as you want but I am fine with saying he will be one of out best 8 players.
Purdue fan comments. Don’t disagree IU is stacked with talent, not convinced that translates to a great team. I predict Jeckyl and Hyde season where one game they look FF caliber the next game they lose to a non-tournament team. You’re too low on Purdue talent, which is good because Purdue plays better with a chip on their shoulder. Predict Purdue will be more consistent, win the games they should and lose the games you expect them to. Split head to head games winning at home. Both end season with similar overall record and both teams make tournament. IU wins 2 tournament games.
IU offseason champs every single year. Why are you judging a team by individual talent?? Teams don’t win by summing up individuals. THERE IS ONLY 1 BALL. What are we doing here?
The assumption that the purdue freshman are going to come in and be able to immediately contribute is crazy. None of them are 1 and done's. Purdue is going to take a big step back this year.
woodson vs painter. Woodson swept painter two seasons ago and Painter did it last season so what is the big difference their? Also Woodson got a no. 4 seed two seasons ago and finished second in the Big Ten. Explain to me the question on Woodson coaching?
@@johnhaime6412 oh I understand lol. I coach. I’m speaking more about the hype around being the best B10 player according to Greg and expectations for this year. Great player and facilitator. I think the gravity Edey created will be glaring. Depends how Painter adjusts to a PG driven offense
@@slammin2445 Coaching middle school doesnt count. Smith will be just fine without Edey. I guess Smith flirting with near triple doubles every other game is just hype.
Why is your default position, Woody will screw it up. He will prove all you haters wrong and go much deeper than PU this post season. Painter his overrated because he had 2 great players, Edey and Smith, without both they wouldn't have won 6 bid 10 games
2024 IU could put together the best on-paper team in CBB history and still go 10-10 in conference play. That’s what happens when you have a bad program, coaches, fans, and culture. Feel bad for all the older fans who had a taste of what success feels like knowing it’ll never come back. The younger fans read the Wikipedia pages that tells that they used to be good and act like they know what winning feels like.
These guys just talk to fill space constantly. Returning IU players put up those stats on a team that was absolute ass vs. a team that was in the title game. Do better guys.
@@edalbanese6310 I forgot more about the game than you'll ever know, so you'll have to do more than personal attacks. But feel free to prove otherwise.
Then you stick all IU guys in Woodspn’s system and none shine. Painter gets everything out of his guys, Woodson has never proven he gets anything out of anyone but bigs.
I would argue JHS and Galloway have made tremendous jumps in Woodson’s system. That’s even with Trey playing out of position last year. Woodson’s black cloud the last 3 years is his investment in X. Johnson. Woodson’s system is predicated on wing pick and rolls and post feeds. The only time he had a 3 level play making guard IU was a top 15 team
@@33jlong Defense. Passing. Play making. Rebounding. More athletic. Stronger with the ball. Yes Fletch is a much better shooter in an offense better suited for him but let’s not kid ourselves
Rename video: Stark realization that Purdue is nowhere near as good as you hoped they would be. Reality sucks.....Painter will help but they will likely struggle next year.
They said that when Ivey and Trevion left too. And when Swanigan left, we jumped from 19th in Kenpom to 5th the year after. Said we'd be gone after Carsen left.
Purdue guy here. We have a young team so it is tough to quibble with individual matchups because we haven't seen the current Purdue players play at the level they'll be expected next year. Coach Painter does a great job with the talent he has, which will be a huge factor in performance next year.
Indiana's roster looks a lot better on paper. But the main difference is that Purdue is often better than the sum of their parts, and Indiana is not. It's a 5v5 game, not 5 1v1 games.
ROFL at historical mediocre Purdue. It took 44 years for Purdue to have reached the Final Four again lol. By the way I am not an Indiana fan but rather my favorite program is historically greater than any Big 10 team.
@JTH-hm8ew your looking nationally but in conference Purdue is historically the best
@@JTH-hm8ew Mediocre? History? How about the past 20 years of stank ass iu basketball. Still living in the 80s and 90s huh? Hasnt little i small u failed to make the tournament 10 of the last 20 years? How many coaches have IU fans run out of town during that time frame? Your “history” is history.
ROFL. I am a North Carolina fan and not an Indiana fan. Purdue basketball would never win a debate with North Carolina basketball. Elite UNC NCAA record 21 Final Fours and NCAA record for most NCAA tourney game wins.
@@JTH-hm8ew No doubt UNC would win that argument. They would win against pretty much anyone. But that is probably because they started paying players 30 years ago. That helps in recruiting. Look at what NIL is doing now days. It would be 100 times greater 30 years ago.
It also helped that they were given a, very good, degree without ever showing up for class because lets be honest. Your a basketball school. There is no way it was only the football kids getting to skip. Regardless the resume is far superior. You are correct. Congrats.
Just a reminder that IU has had a better roster and better recruiting class for multiple years now. People forget this every season.
IU had a better roster than Purdue, who had the national player of the year?? Lol get real
@@JesseD2 I’m a Purdue fan…I am real. Every season IU has higher ranked recruits and Purdue has outperformed them for like the last 5 seasons. Until IU can prove otherwise their roster ranks don’t mean very much. To be honest I thought IU was going to be very good this past season and they didn’t even make the tourney.
@@michaelpatrick7764with all due respect Purdue has had a better team the past five years. Edey for the last two and Ivey/Williams, high end recruits don’t automatically make good players at the college level.
@@briandeheer9614 completely agree, however, rankings is really what they are going by here is all I’m saying. I don’t blame them for doing so. Painter ran everything through Edey and our guards really never got a true chance to show who they are when the focal offensive point is on them.
IU has the better recruiting class every year but the difference is the recruits for Purdue stay and don’t leave for the draft. Purdue is no slouch in recruiting. They get 2-3 4 star players a year.
As of recently IU has brought in NBA talent for 1 year.
Imagine if JHS stayed last year as projected before stepping on campus. IU is easily a top 20 team
Here’s the problem comparing stats from guys that played on other teams last season and guys that were featured options vs guys that were all on Purdue playing complimentary roles to the NPOY… Galloway was a starter and played 33 min per game on a bad Indiana team. Colvin was like a 10 min per game guy and with Edey’s usage rate it made it tough for anyone else to put up huge numbers. That’s not to say they can’t as sophomores though. Both Colvin and Heide were pretty efficient but it takes a lot of projecting when comparing someone like Colvin or Heide to a guy like Galloway when you’ve seen what Galloway is as a starter and 33 min per game guy.
Purdue fans are more than OK with the IU hype train that is going on. IU has put together a better roster than last year for sure but still have to put it together. Purdue is playing the long game while still putting out a good team next year. 25-26 is the season though the Boilers have their sights set on.
IU guy here and it looks like we have a very good roster going into next year maybe the most balanced we have had in a very long time…….. coaching is my biggest concern!!
You were right to be concerned...
I think with Purdue's roster, there are lots of unknowns. Will Berg could be a good 7 footer, and they have a backup 7ft3 freshman. Camden heidi, and Colvin are both athletic, long, and good shooters, they could be really good. I think TKR still plays the 4, maybe he improves his 3 point shooting. Braden and Fletcher are known commodities, and Gicari Harris probably only needa to play 5 minuted a game behind Braden. I think kanon has a lot of potential, and by the end if the year really good, but I think he may be a bit raw of a player still. Pretty much all of Purdue players are good 3 point shooters outside the center position, and all capable defenders. Really balanced team, just without a superstsr.
There are just as many unknowns for IU though, mostly because 3 or 4 of their starters will have never played together before
This is the first season in a long time for the Boilers that they're going to improve SIGNIFICANTLY throughout the season. Not only are they young, but they have guys who are either true freshmen or haven't played big minutes before. Plus Painter will almost certainly change the offensive structure next year, abandoning the low post focus and switching to a Baby Boiler style with more spacing. TKR is a good post scorer, but they're going to have much better scoring guards and wings like Smith, Colvin, Heide, Loyer, and Catchings.
@@bensmith7385 the offense will be less low post offense but when they do use it; TKR will be dominant post player. But Berg will be there as well.
Painter has been coaching college ball over 20 years and Woody 3. Woody is on the rise and figuring out recruiting as well as bench coaching. Get ready for for IU to kick backsides in the big 18,
The problem for IU is shooting the three. They were bad last year and I don’t see who is going to improve that next year.
I understand why you go with established known players. But as a Purdue fan I would never, ever, ever change players. I'll run with my players upside being astronomically higher. But I get why you have your take. Looking forward to actually playing.
I think it's cool that you guys are confident enough to admit that you were not very prepared for this. Great video, a perfect illustration of how the media generally views talent and roster construction.
For all of Woodson's struggles, he went 2-2 against Zach Edey in his junior and senior year, including a win at Mackey.
IU has a better roster but how will the pieces fit and can Woody use them right. Purdue will still be solid I think.
CJ Cox is a 6’2” combo guard he’s not going to play the 3. Very loosely categorizing I would say:
1/2: Smith, Harris, Cox
2/3: Loyer, Colvin, Benter
3/4: Heide, Catchings
4/5: TKR, Furst, Burgess, Berg, Jacobsen
Definitely unproven compared to Indiana’s roster but we have 13 playable guys. The competition for minutes *should* ensure a solid rotation. Anything can happen but in my biased homer opinion this team will be very good lol
You beat me to it. Cox is not a 3!
Gonna be hard to keep Jack Benter off the floor. What with him shooter Lance Jones' 3s at Mason Gillis' %. He's gonna be great!
Thank you. Clearly you’re way more tuned into the team than these two - who I love and will get there.
Their starters they named show me they are pretty damn far out of the loop on Purdue. I’m actually shocked by it
ok so let's take a step back here for a moment comparing Purdue and IU.
I realize that Evan Miya player rankings aren't perfect but neither is blindly looking at stats because of good stats mid team type of things... but here we go
IU's player 2023-2024 Evanmiya ranking (674 average)
Ballo 44
Mgbako 250
Galloway 285
Myles Rice 387
Malik Reneau 405
Luke Goode 522
Anthony Leal 1053
Kanaan Carlyle 1171
Gabe Cupps 1953
Purdue (421 average)
Smith 6
Fletcher Loyer 112
TKR 259
Heide 658
Colvin 659*
Furst 838
*Colvin technically shows no data, but similar to Heide. Both in top ten of P6 Freshmen for eFG%. Colvin actually lowers the average here so it's not helping Purdue
Purdue's returners actually beat out the rankings of these great transfers. The segment putting a lof of emphasis on Reneau stats but he still is only ranked 405.
For this exercise, I don't include Catchings/Tucker since they don't have rankings but they are similar rated recruits. Basically a wash for this conversation
Wildcard:
Gicarri just won the Iverson 3 pt contest, has handles and could be a dawg.
Berg has battled with Edey for 2 years now and didn't get PT due to the B2B POTY playing in front of him.
The other part here is that Loyer is ELITE at what he is expected to do, shoot 3's and make them. Number 2 in the B1G behind Gillis for all individuals averaging 3 attempts per game. He's close to double Galloway's 3 pt% which, from the guard spot, is absolutely huge. We also talk about the creation that Galloway has, but Loyer doesn't need that to be effective in his role as he can entry pass and Smith handles creation.
You might look at this and think "yeah but if you only take the top 5, IU is better averaged". Truth here, but also a truth is that everyone isn't going 40 minutes here.
I think the last part to think about IS the large recruiting class though. Purdue is bringing in 6 guys and expecting Berg to make a jump as well. If Purdue only needs 2 more guys to contribute there, that's pretty good odds on finding that dude amongst the 7. IU bringing in 1 recruit that they hope is effective immediately, otherwise they drop off real fast.
Basically, what the synopsis of this is that 1:1, IU players may beat Purdue. As a team? Purdue has the better roster to fit roles.
Lastly- Cox would not be the option before Jack Benter or Gicarri based on film/recruiting profile
Counter to Cox. Go watch painter talk about him. He gushes about him just like he did Braden. He calls him the steal of the class. Which is what he called Braden after signing him. Should be interesting to follow this whole class. It could be Baby Boilers 2.0.
You guys are sleeping on Berg
Agree!!
Maybe , but maybe not. The channel is called sleepers after all.
I think this is spot on. Berg's per 40 minute numbers (which Sleepers LOVE looking at) are CRAZY good!
@@NDHURLER55 per 40 is tough to use as a guide because the sample size is so small; Berg is a more mobile, 5 that will stretch the floor; teams will learn they can't double TKR and they can't slough off of Berg. This team will run a lot of teams off the court; Berg is much faster in transition than Zach; different style same results
@@DaveWill-yg9wp sooooo.... we agree?
Purdue has some tantalizing talent but a lot of it is unknown. Which as a fan is kinda exciting. We don't get too many guys like Catchings, and Heide/Colvin is also a level of athlete I'm not quite used to (Ivey being the exception of course. Maybe the trend is changing with Purdue). I'm really excited to watch the season play out and see what painter is able to put together.
We know what Indiana has from the portal and what these players can do. However, I would take Purdue's roster over Indiana's any day! I believe we are going to be just as good if not better than we were last year because we have way more athletic ability basketball talent, we are just young and that will be the only hindrance. Will Berg will not be Zack Edey next year but we don't need that we've got at least three guys that are over 40 inch vertical leapers who will show incredible athleticism next year against any team that they play. It will be fun to watch for sure.
it didnt look very tantalizing in the champ game. hiede is a great leaper and can hit an open three. he does not do much off the dribble. he is ok defensively, but is going to need a significant jump if he is starting. colvin has a great shot, and can do a bit more off the dribble at this point. he definitely improved defensively as the year progressed. if i was picking a player to vastly improve it would be him. where i think the sleepers guys and many purdue fans are wrong is that they think braden smith is the undisputed best player between both teams and therefore purdue will be good because of that. i think smith is a fine player, but to be that cut and dry about it is hilarious to me. smith can much more easily be taken out of a game than edey and thats where purdue is gonna have to get creative next year if they want to keep their current standard.their floor will be much lower imo. even when they didnt play well lasy year they pretty much still were able to win. they got 5 offensive rebounds a game from a single player! thats crazy. they shot so many free throws because one player was a foul magnet. like how will this team get to the line, which was a big reason their offense was so efficient? they basically still only have one guy who can penetrate and he is not the fleetest of foot. call me skeptical of purdue next season. doesnt mean it will be indiana taking over. i just think the league is much more open this coming season
@@corsmalls they didn't say Brayden Smith was the best player out of both teams. They were just saying that he is the best guard out of these two teams
@@corsmalls Catchings is a complete unknown, could be a star, could be a ways away. Certainly has a lot of talent. Colvin has a ton of talent too, but was raw and we didn't ask him to do a whole lot. Everyone on the team really will be asked to do things they weren't on last years team, which is part of what makes it exciting as a fan, for me at least.
I'm not sure the champ game is a good bar either. UConn is the best team I've seen in a few years. They were clearly on another level. Purdue ain't gonna see many teams that good, if any lol.
Let me argue this, and I’m a lifelong IU fan btw, Matt Painter is the better coach and subsequently the better program. There has been many years where IU had the better roster talent but couldn’t get them to play together or prepare adequately to play to the teams full potential. Painter is the exact opposite, that dude gets the most out of every kid on his team.
You should do this again just prior to the B10 so you have some idea of who is playing what position and role
Purdue will run the same actions with Will Berg. He has good mobility and good hands. He isn’t Zach Edey but he is 7’2 and everyone else should be better. I don’t even think TKr will be the 5. I think it’s a breakout season for Will Berg. Train keeps rolling
i think thats the best play for purdue tbh. start berg and tkr. they dont have rim protection otherwise. i could see berg giving the 9 and 6 or so. tkr is not good enough to start in the big at center and actually want your team to win.
Painter is NOT going to run the same action for a backup center as he did for Edey. If the focal point of the team is Berg then we are in for a llllong season. Painter will run an offense similar to what he ran with Edwards/Cline. We will see Purdue go back to a motion offense with multiple screeners, drives to the basket and a more uptempo style. Berg wil NOT BE a starter. Lol
Who knows which team will be the best. IU clearly has more experience, way more than the Edeyless, Gillisless boilers. Ballo's 5th year playing major college ball, Mailck's 3rd season playing heavy minutes, Galloway who tied Isiah Thomas for the most assists in a season for IU, yes without playing in IU's last two games, Gal tied Isiah for the single season IU record in assists. And IU got Goode who is a knockdown three-point shooter who will be playing his 5th season. Miles Rice was fantastic his freshman of year in Pac 12. Mac won the same award in the Big 10. Both Bryson and Newton have tons of potential as big-time athlete with basketball skills. Brayden Smith is good but he won't get past what IU will become, a real top 10 team
Don't sleep on Newton a very real X-factor
Man I'm a Purdue guy and not at all down on your video! I don't even think you're missing anything. But, what a lot of people might be missing is how much talent is coming in, and how much talent was sitting unused on Purdues final four team. To the unaware, these guys are going to " come out of no where", but to those of us who pay attention, we're salivating waiting for the next guys up!
This SHOULDN’T be a question. Indiana has the better and more VETERAN team. Yes Purdue has a really good recruiting class, but REMEMBER, young teams are NOT succeeding well in this day and age of College Basketball. Kentucky had the top class last year, and what happened? THEY LOST FIRST ROUND IF THE NCAA TOURNAMENT. Purdue doesn’t have Zach Edey anymore, and they lost players to the transfer portal. So yes, it is clear Indiana has the better team and PROVEN talent, while Purdue is going to have a bunch of players that have NOT played CBB yet, not saying Purdue will be a bad team, but Purdue is NOT a top 10 or 15 team until they prove it otherwise. Indiana SHOULD be top 15 MINIMUM bc they return Malik Runeau, Trey Galloway, etc, even Mackenzie Mgbako they return. Plus, they have brought top players from the portals including Omar Ballo, the big from Arizona who arguably is the BEST player from the transfer portal
This is a fun exorcise just for Purdue to win the conference by 3 games again. By stars indiana has had the better roster the last 2 years but hasnt done anything with it in conference. I am curious to see what wins out. New School Money vs Old School Recruiting
I think it pretty obvious that Sleepers have no clue about Purdues incoming freshman class
So obvious
Catchings decomitted! So now it’s not close! He’s also being recruited by IU!
By the end of the year this is my projection of Top 10 players between IU and PU:
1. Mgbako
2. Ballo
3. Catchings
4. Rice
5. Smith
6. Reneau
7. Galloway
8. Heide
9. TKR
10. Carlyle
1st out is Tucker
oh my god this list is horrible😂😂
@@garrettburkle8401 tell me about it. How would you rank em?
@@slammin2445Smith at 5 could only be justified by blind hatred
@@camdenknies8646not hatred. Think he’s limited on his size and he got to play with the the best player in CBB for 2 straight years.
I think this year should be focusing on Kanon being the #1 option and I think the gravity Edey brought cannot be overstated. Think that goes away and makes passes and driving lanes tougher for him
As an IU fan I love the talent of the roster, but Purdue has Painter. It would be a fun exercise to review talent of last years rosters. Probably closer with Purdue ahead, but the games weren’t close at all. I’m afraid that could easily happen again. This is the year Woodson has show the league he can coach, or IU will continue to resemble the Lakers and get another HC. I beg coach Woodson to prove me (and every other reasonable person) wrong.
Great shows guys. Really enjoying the channel! “Dusty gonna fill it” best line this spring 😉
You cannot base this off of "stats" Also, most people know IU gets a lot of talent but yet they still do not have success
And I think a team bringing in 3 potential starters from a different team could have issues. And are you sure TKR will not be much better stats? He could be a walking double double as well with increased minutes
you think or you're hoping there are issues? two different things. what has tkr shown you in his three years at purdue so far to make you think he will avg a dbl dbl. he is maybe 6'8, doesnt have great lift off the floor, and is not very skilled. he'll get some hustle stats, sure, but offers no rim protection or good defense to this point in his career.
@@corsmalls Not hoping at all. I will admit IU has talent. I am saying until proven that it works ranking them over a team that has been way more successful over the past 10 years is kind of drastic. I do think IU should be better. I have seen players make that leap at Purdue once they are more of a focal role and TKR has flashes that to me think he could be a 12 and 10 kind of guy. Dude was the second big man option for his first two years to the NPOY
@@corsmalls Also, for example Edey after Ivey left I am sure was not thought of to make the leap he did. Not saying TKR will be NPOY but he is very talented
I think jakai is way better then what people think he for sure will contribute next year
I don't know but IU needs to sign Woodson to a lifetime contract.
Cox is not a 3, if he plays much it will be as a backup PG. Myles starts backed by Loyer at the 2, Heide starts at the 3 backed by Harris. TKR starts at the 4 with Catching off the bench early. That may switch as the season goes forward. Berg starts at the 5 with TKR and Burgess as the backups.
IU went out and bought the best ream their backers could buy because they couldn't recruit anyone. Can Woodson make them a team. We'll see.
Admittedly, I'm a rabid Purdue fan, but any suggestion that IU 's roster is on par with (or better than) Purdue's is 100 percent cope.
I think these guys don't understand Painter. Berg will be the 5. TKR will be the 4. Heide will be the 3 Loyer will be the 2 and Smith the 1. Harris will back up Smith. Colvin will back up Loyer and Heide. Catchings will be the primary back up at 4 and some at 3. Berg at 5 with Furst as the back up. Benter, Cox, Jacobsen will RS. Burgess will be possible RS but could see some minutes at 4/5. He has a college body. Is fast and can shoot 3s. But freshmen have trouble understanding the complexity of Painter's defense.
IU always looks like they have a better roster until Purdue kicks their butts. Same thing this year. Talent is one component of the roster. Playing together, understand the offense and defense schemes and having offense and defense schemes that work are huge in college basketball. Talent rules in the NBA but if that was the case Calipari would still be at KY.
How is Catchings better than Tucker?
Evidently, the ratings services don't know anything
IKR.. lol how did they get there.. KC is a 4 star… BT is a burger boy… 🤦♂️ seriously
Painter has always fallen short and PU fans hate to admit it. IU is way better and they will prove it by the Big 18 season start
I don't think there's much question that IU has a better roster right now. I'd rather have Purdue's going forward though.
IU has Woodson PU has Painter. Winner Winner Chicken Dinner.
I.U still has Woodson. So the edge is Purdue.
Woodson is .500 against Purdue. Now Edey is gone also.
@williammcmurtrie871 so you base success from playing purdue? Wow that speaks volumes. Can't coach, buy them from the Portal
Yea, he's taken 2 downtrodden NBA teams to become playoff teams. You know the NBA, the highest level of basketball in the world? Don't forget he swept the series thecseason before last, when Painter lost to a 16 seed in rhe NCAAs. SmH
Well, that's the premise of the podcast. We can always look at National Championships where IU leads 5-0 and 25-2 overall sports.
Painter is the better coach, but Woodson is 3-3 against Edey. While Woodson constructed a bad roster last season, he has also constructed a good-looking roster this season. Let's see how he does with much more talent than he had last season. If Woodson wins 19 games with this team, then there will be problems lol.
You did this game with every team Purdue played last year and the result was largely the same with Purdue having 1 point against a lot of teams…and you guys saying “oh I guess that means XX team wins
How come no one is talking about how the guards could struggle next year for Purdue? Especially without Edey, arguably one of the most dominate College basketball players ever.
They played in Europe last year without Zach and did well - TKR played the 5. Will Berg might surprise some people too.
@@johnhaime6412 Losing Edey also means a lot less space for these guys. A full season without him should be an adjustment. Smith will still be elite, didn’t rely on Edey nearly as much as some of the other guys and is more talented. Loyer will struggle and that 3% should drop
the the question of which team wins the power forward position: clearly it's Indiana. Reneau can be a 1st or 2nd option on a reasonable team. Neither of the Purdue players could be a 1st or 2nd option on a reasonable team.
It depends on who does not red shirt next year we will have freshmen but they are very talented! Reneu was very talented as a freshman as well. We will have Burgess or Catchings or Jacobson or even Furst - we will be just fine!
Luckily for us Purdue fans it’s a team game
Don’t sleep on Jakai Newton. He was a top 60 recruit.
That back court was decimated last year....people tend to forget that. HECK, the year before last, lost pg after 11 games and had to go with a freshman.
13:54 Catchings is the 6th best player on Purdue LMAO 😂
Tucker vs Carlson. Tucker McDonalds American and rated higher coming out of high school. Who are you people?
So far, this video hasn't aged very well...
TKR wont pull double teams so Purdue spacing wont be great. Thats bad for Loyer but ok for Heide Colvin and Catchings. Defensively Purdue will be awful if TKR plays the 5. Berg (and all the other young players) will have to really step up for Purdue to have great season. I dont expect Purdue to win Big 10 this year. IU ...definitely talented...not sure if they have coaching to be top 25.
You do realize that Tucker is a McDonald’s All-American. No way Catchings is automatically better.
LOL, so Indiana has the most 2023/24 points scored. So what will that translate to for 24/25 exactly?
Woody is 3-3 vs Painter with Purdue having higher ranked teams every single time. The games might not even be close this year.
Let's pump the brakes on Painter being a great Coach. One F4 appearance in 20 years does not connote great and, coupled with his predecessor its 1 F4 in 43 years. Also, we will see what Smith truly is without Edey.
All those old school iu fans that hang on to history, tradition, we graduate players, clean program,...now they are buying mercenaries. Oh the irony.
Ware, Reneau, Mgbako, Trayce Jackson-Davis, Jalen Hood-Schifino, none of those guys shined in Woodson's system?
@@kennethdescombes4097 Nobody in their right mind would doubt that Big Ten teams like IU have talent. They just never won anything with any of those players.
the irony is that purdue wants so badly to be viewed as the program that indiana once was. a program they despised
Still wouldn't mind one more impact big for IU. Babba Miller?
Langdon Hatton.
Same bucket, huh? Interesting comment 😅
IU and it’s not close
And yet IU has had one winning record in B10 in the last 7 years? And keeps turning over coach after coach after coach.
Gets said every year
Purdue has a better coach. End of story.
Loyer is Purdue’s 6th or 7th best player this year. Smith, TKR, Colvin, Heide, Catchings, idk who else and the rest of that order but - Loyer is worse than all those guys
Cox is more of a point or 2 guard, not a 3.
Yeah, that raised my eyebrows. Cox is probably strictly a a backup pg as far as next season goes.
This goes to show that when you're not very familiar with previous bench players, you're really bad at projecting future success. I think this video will end up being waaaaaay off.
Everyone so disrespectful towards Edey, ESPECIALLY Purdue fans. It’s kinda disappointing. I’m an IU fan, when TJD left last year, I said Purdue was clearly better than IU. Idk, people who are saying the teams are close this year are imo A) Coping
B) disrespectful to the best player in purdues program history
Reneau and Ballo will eat Purdue alive. No Edey means each player on Purdue will have to do it on their own now. No free plays because of three defenders staying closer to Edey. There will be a dip in shooting percentage for every player.
I would lean Indiana. Close though.
Thanks for giving the Boilers motivation and dismissing one of the deepest benches in the country. Last year you guys constantly picked our opponents to win bc of "guard play" every time we played against another top 25 team. Smith and Loyer would then outplay and out preform said guards, every time. TKR, Smith, Loyer, Furst, Hiede, and Berg all returning and we add more athletic talent than Painter has ever had team wide! TKR, Furst, Berg can platoon the 5 depending upon match-ups. Harris, Jacobsen, Catchings, and Benter (severely underrated at 3* should be a 4*) all bring shooting and rim attacking abilities. I understand that on paper iu has bought a good team but I'm looking at coaching and culture. This isn't a new thing where iu suddenly has 5* talent, they've consistently had 5* players and still managed to under preform year after year.
a deep bench of unheralded freshman? id pump the breaks. you guys will probably go 7 or 8 deep in conference
@@corsmalls we have no idea what the line ups will be so I understand it's more of a comparison exercise. I said we'll be young but Painter is one of the best coaches especially when it comes to players buying into their roles.
CJ Cox ain't a 3 man. He will be 3rd string PG
IU... trying to buy wins since Bobby left in 2000. Sad.
Sleepers Media lost a lot of credibility from this video. Heide plays the 3, Colvin is a 2 or a 3, TKR will play the 4 with Catchings backing him up. Multiple guys could play the 5 (berg, furst, Jacobson). Coaching points: Painter 10 Woodson 0. Reneau and Ballo can’t guard a fence post. It’s the same stuff every year…..the IU hype is kind of comical. Rice/Karlyle coming from PAC-12….both sub 30% from deep, Trey at 26%. Just kidding about the credibility thing…you guys do great stuff…but I will remind of this when IU finishes 6th in the BIG
Indiana vs. Purdue, it comes down to coach, and Painter is better beyond a doubt
How do you know Carlyle is better than Harris?
IU has a top 5 starting 5.... not an issue. Just gotta get these boys coached up and get the chemistry down
Agree Reneau is best player
Braden Smith is really good until he faces elite athletes and players. Look at what he was reduced to against UConn. Rice averaged almost 15 a game in the PAC12 last year and is a much better athlete than Smith, plus he's probably got 4 inches on him. IU has potentially several future NBA players and Purdue has perhaps one with Catchings as long as his game can translate to the next level. '22-'23 season, when IU had an elite guard (Hood-Schifino) and center (TJD) they lost both games to IU and back then the rest of IU's roster wasn't that great. This year they are loaded from top to bottom.
The X factor in college sports is coaching - Painter is exponentially better vs Woody. Major factor.
not just uconn. he got 2 10 second violations in the nc state game going against horn. good player for sure, but all-american? lets just see on that shall we?
i see maybe 2 nba players on this current iu roster. thats if things go well. its hard to get in the nba y'all
there is no way ppl think rice is better than smith😂😂😂. like come on. we’re talking about a triple double threat vs a guy who shot 27% from 3💀
12 and 8 against the best team in the country is pretty good actually for Smith. This is just saying the Purdue is IUs super bowl if we are only taking head to head stock
IU's top 5 all are returning all conference honors recipients. 1. Ballo, 2. Reneau, 3. Mgbako, 4. Carlyle 5. RICE
Galloway, Tucker and Newton would start for most teams in all cbb. Goode and the onltly missing piece a back-up 5 of worth would log solid minutes for most teams in cbb too.
dude newton hasn't played in 2 years, id pump the breaks a bit. the other two would def be rotation guys on most teams, but starters? not sure its that black n white
@corsmalls I will not pump the brakes on Newton. Everyone else is without ever watching videos on him , from games to pickup games and interviews. He says he is 100% back health wise and it has been plenty of time for him to be fully healthy.
They handled his injuries like they would a budding superstar for a reason. He broke most weight lifting records when arrived last summer before they realized he needed another surgery to repair damage missed in his first surgery.
He still showed his 43" vertical between surgeries last summer. He also comes in at 6'3" to 6'4" with a 6'10" wing span. He was one of his HS teams primary ball handlers and scorers on a team that had Stephon Castle who is likely a lottery pick this year. He has an easy repeatable shooting stroke and the mentality to be a shutdown defender as well as a primary scorer.
Saying he is one of our top 3 bench options is not going out on any limb.
The kid is an absolute driven beast. He will transition to this level as fast as any freshman but is not going to have to be depended on because of all the talent around him.
When Newton signed to IU he was moving up fast in his class rankings and got up to 42. He often matched Castle his junior season before injury then missed his pre senior season in AAU and his senior year in HS and he was forgotten about by those talent evaluators.
@@kennethdescombes4097 look no one wants newton to do well more than me, but being off the court for about two years is tough. i think your expectations may be too high this season. if he is able to be in the rotation at all, call it a win. in time, if he regains that athletic ability, i have no problem seeing him prosper as his work ethic and attitude are spectacular
@corsmalls again, I am not backing off. The kid is ready to play, has been full go for a little while already, by the time bb season arrives his rust should be well removed.
There is no reason he cannot be an impact player. I am not buying that he is going to be overwhelmed by the college game. He has played against tough competition in HS regularly and has a year of seeing his team go through a season and is going to be mentally prepared for it.
You can be as unnexpecting as you want but I am fine with saying he will be one of out best 8 players.
@@kennethdescombes4097 alright man
Purdue fan comments. Don’t disagree IU is stacked with talent, not convinced that translates to a great team. I predict Jeckyl and Hyde season where one game they look FF caliber the next game they lose to a non-tournament team. You’re too low on Purdue talent, which is good because Purdue plays better with a chip on their shoulder. Predict Purdue will be more consistent, win the games they should and lose the games you expect them to. Split head to head games winning at home. Both end season with similar overall record and both teams make tournament. IU wins 2 tournament games.
so where was that chip in the title game? they did not play "better."
@@corsmalls shhhhh! The adults in the room are discussing basketball.
IU offseason champs every single year. Why are you judging a team by individual talent??
Teams don’t win by summing up individuals. THERE IS ONLY 1 BALL.
What are we doing here?
The assumption that the purdue freshman are going to come in and be able to immediately contribute is crazy. None of them are 1 and done's. Purdue is going to take a big step back this year.
woodson vs painter. Woodson swept painter two seasons ago and Painter did it last season so what is the big difference their? Also Woodson got a no. 4 seed two seasons ago and finished second in the Big Ten. Explain to me the question on Woodson coaching?
All the other years you missed.
this game is cute and all until it’s on the court. Purdue is the better team
Woodson who finished second in the big ten two seasons ago just a horrible coach.
I am sure you think Woodson is a level below Pat Kelsey and Mark Pope. LMAO>
B smith with 12 pts in the final game? with edey come on Smith could struggle next year.
I’m still not getting this Braden Smith hype
People who understand basketball get it.
@@johnhaime6412 oh I understand lol. I coach. I’m speaking more about the hype around being the best B10 player according to Greg and expectations for this year. Great player and facilitator. I think the gravity Edey created will be glaring. Depends how Painter adjusts to a PG driven offense
@@slammin2445 Coaching middle school doesnt count. Smith will be just fine without Edey. I guess Smith flirting with near triple doubles every other game is just hype.
Why is your default position, Woody will screw it up. He will prove all you haters wrong and go much deeper than PU this post season. Painter his overrated because he had 2 great players, Edey and Smith, without both they wouldn't have won 6 bid 10 games
2024 IU could put together the best on-paper team in CBB history and still go 10-10 in conference play. That’s what happens when you have a bad program, coaches, fans, and culture. Feel bad for all the older fans who had a taste of what success feels like knowing it’ll never come back. The younger fans read the Wikipedia pages that tells that they used to be good and act like they know what winning feels like.
well how purdue know? theyve never won. just be happy you got as far as you did and keep it pushing
These guys just talk to fill space constantly.
Returning IU players put up those stats on a team that was absolute ass vs. a team that was in the title game.
Do better guys.
CJ Cox is 6’2 brother he will not be playing the 3
lance jones was 6'1 and played the 3. not far fetched. its just sayin he would be a third guard out there
@@corsmalls Lance played the 2 bud, Fletch was the 3 in those lineups
@@AngryBoilerFan and fletcher is a 3? im still not following. most teams play three guards of varied size.
@@corsmalls Fletcher technically played the 3 yes. Lance just guarded the teams best player which was usually a guard.
@@AngryBoilerFan i just dont think you could label either of them a 3. they were both guards which is fine. a 3 can be a guard
Easily IU
Tkr>
How can you give IU the nod? This is crazy! Do you guys even watch basketball?
Dumbest comment on this pod.
@@jethrotroll5442 you must not watch basketball too
@@edalbanese6310 I forgot more about the game than you'll ever know, so you'll have to do more than personal attacks. But feel free to prove otherwise.
@@jethrotroll5442 awww so sensitive! Watch a game this season? IU sucks!
@@edalbanese6310 That's funny, since you're the one that responded with the personal attack. Play victim much?
Then you stick all IU guys in Woodspn’s system and none shine. Painter gets everything out of his guys, Woodson has never proven he gets anything out of anyone but bigs.
I would argue JHS and Galloway have made tremendous jumps in Woodson’s system. That’s even with Trey playing out of position last year.
Woodson’s black cloud the last 3 years is his investment in X. Johnson.
Woodson’s system is predicated on wing pick and rolls and post feeds.
The only time he had a 3 level play making guard IU was a top 15 team
Galloway and Carlyle >>> Loyer and Colvin
Not sure what Greg sees there
Galloway is NOT better than Loyer except for dribbling which Loyer doesn't really need.
@@33jlong Defense. Passing. Play making. Rebounding. More athletic. Stronger with the ball. Yes Fletch is a much better shooter in an offense better suited for him but let’s not kid ourselves
Purdue you've had your cute little run these past few years. Big Bro is back and here to stay.
There is a new Sherif in Town!! And his name is Purdue!
Past few? Overall I think Purdue has the all time better record between the 2.
Where have you been for the past 20 years as Purdue wins? It can’t get any worse and your players still have to wear the clown pants.
So overrated this IU roster. Pretty funny. Reneau and Ballo are horrid defensively.
dude you need to dive a little deeper on ballo. reneau is passable
Indiana by far, purdue doesn’t have a top 25 roster next season
I hope you haven't put money on that, Gambler.
Just stop
You're right. They have a top 10 roster. Not top 25.
@@dennisdezarn5895not top 10
Stop it
Rename video: Stark realization that Purdue is nowhere near as good as you hoped they would be. Reality sucks.....Painter will help but they will likely struggle next year.
They said that when Ivey and Trevion left too. And when Swanigan left, we jumped from 19th in Kenpom to 5th the year after. Said we'd be gone after Carsen left.