I love these videos where you have to trace out several problems. In my line of work we refer to them as "multiple bogeys" cause they usually don't call us to come out until it's really bad. Can't wait to see what the next video on this machine brings.
That was one of the best explanations and examples of the X/Y circuit. Understanding how these things work and what part does what makes them so much easier to bring back to life! Really appreciate the videos!
Pizza Hut style! Love it. Brings back so many memories. I worked in a Woolworth's and there was a PH up the strip mall from us. On lunch breaks, I dropped a lot of quarters and ate a lot of slices there.
Great job working on the game! I worked at a local science museum planetarium from 1982 to 1991, and we had an Atari Lunar Lander vector game that was purchased lightly used in 1982. It was in our planetarium lobby and we made good money from that game. When I left the museum in 1991, it was still alive and kicking. The biggest issues we had with the game were replacing the same transistors you were testing, power supply issues, and replacing buttons. A local arcade/pinball game distributor in town would service the game for us and they had two techs that knew both the Lunar Lander and Asteroids games inside and out and when we would call them to come out and repair the game, they usually could have it back up and running in 2-4 hours. As I remember back, they only had to take it to their shop once or twice to replace the vector CRT.
Nice thing about taking time off from work is getting my Lyons' brothers videos in without having to wait till the endo f the day! Its a triple threat Tuesday all 3 brothers (if you watch both channels... like you should ;) )
44:26 that tiny UFO being unable to hit you could be a clue. These aim at you and usually hit you in the first 3 shots. Now many of the shots this bugger fired weren't even aimed anywhere near you. The crackling in the sound is gotta be one of the LM324s on the board. These very often go bad and usually sound way worse.
I've had transistors test OK between Base - Collector and Base - Emitter OK but which have a short (or resistance) between Emitter and Collector. It's always worth a quick check.
I dunno... It looked great on your video! This is very informative I must say... Even though you didn't replace the lights with LED's so they would pop! The transistor notes were great. Have a great thanksgiving guys!
7:12 alright, I’m gonna cheat a little bit because I have all these power supplies… your old hippy friend is probably thinking, ‘my work here is done’ and grinning sheepishly to himself 😅
This was the best style of cocktail table. Perfect for booths and eating food on. The other style... not so much. Local sandwich and pizza parlor had a Pac Man kitted into this style of cocktail when I was a kid.
Any reasons why Raster monitors don't have a Spot Killer circuit but Vector XY Monitors need a Spot Killer circuit for what reasons? The spot killer circuit is turning OFF the XY deflection transistors and circuit
Thanks for this! I really find smooth textureless polygons really charming to look at, but there's something even cooler at looking at these vector graphics on real sharp displays, and even today, despite technology advancing so much, nothing has really been able to surpass how clean these vector graphics look. I always wonder if we'll ever get some sort of successor to the long obsolete vector monitors, like a vector based LCD screen. The closest I've seen are some light projectors that were trying to emulate these arcade games, and they look really good. And it's a shame the Vectrex was the only vector based console to ever come out. Though it's a no wonder they died out, as raster graphics can do basically everything that they can do, but in more complex detail. I think there's a hobbyist following for it nowadays. Do you know if there was ever a 3D platformer that was made with this vector technology?
Joe and Ron , you guys are an inspiration! I bought an Asteroids yesterday that was working and then had issues when I brought it home. The Y axis was no longer working. Because of your tips, I was able to figure out how to fix the issue. I hope I get as good as you two when it comes to fixing machines some day! th-cam.com/video/4Gib0RZynXU/w-d-xo.html
@@LyonsArcade Quick question, when adjusting the monitor, how much "streaking" should you see as asteroids and as bullets fly in the area? A lot? A little? or none at all?
Hey, I might now have something to look at on the Asteroids at the pub. Thank you for making the video!
I love these videos where you have to trace out several problems. In my line of work we refer to them as "multiple bogeys" cause they usually don't call us to come out until it's really bad.
Can't wait to see what the next video on this machine brings.
That was one of the best explanations and examples of the X/Y circuit. Understanding how these things work and what part does what makes them so much easier to bring back to life! Really appreciate the videos!
RON IS SO SMART. HIM AND JOE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS STUFF FOR DECADES. O YOUR SMART TO JOE ❤❤
Smart knowing everything.
Smart = logical approach to troubleshooting applying lessons learned from prior experience.
Impressive ❤
Pizza Hut style! Love it. Brings back so many memories. I worked in a Woolworth's and there was a PH up the strip mall from us. On lunch breaks, I dropped a lot of quarters and ate a lot of slices there.
Great job working on the game! I worked at a local science museum planetarium from 1982 to 1991, and we had an Atari Lunar Lander vector game that was purchased lightly used in 1982. It was in our planetarium lobby and we made good money from that game. When I left the museum in 1991, it was still alive and kicking. The biggest issues we had with the game were replacing the same transistors you were testing, power supply issues, and replacing buttons. A local arcade/pinball game distributor in town would service the game for us and they had two techs that knew both the Lunar Lander and Asteroids games inside and out and when we would call them to come out and repair the game, they usually could have it back up and running in 2-4 hours. As I remember back, they only had to take it to their shop once or twice to replace the vector CRT.
I enjoy watching these videos to get a better idea of how these games work. I don't own Asteroids, but your Centipede videos proved very useful.
Joe and Ronnie are the best on the planet. Donuts and root beer for everyone there thank you !!
Awesome work, it’s always great to see an old arcade game fixed and working again. I’m looking forward to the next video to see the board repair. 👍
@24:30 it must be really broke because they got that guy from Amateur Repair time in to help fix it. Happy Thanksgiving Lyon's Arcade People.
Wow that Asteroids has some miles on it. Great restoration job 🙂
Well I just learned a ton about vector displays, awesome!
Genius… both your trouble shooting is just awesome. Thanks for sharing and explaining in a way that I can understand. Regards
I kind of like the glitched Asteroids. Maybe they should make that game too. lol
I’m digging the new intro ! Back with another broke arcade game for ya this evening! 😂
Did I hear a tube flash over at 27:21 ? ⚡
Hi Joe, Hi Ron! Interesting stuff,thanks. You guys have a good Thanksgiving. Catch you on Friday.
Wow! Great work on this game. It sure has some interesting issues. The next vid should be a beauty too.
The ufo "rabbit" when u switched boards was amazing :) timestamp 19:40
Nice thing about taking time off from work is getting my Lyons' brothers videos in without having to wait till the endo f the day! Its a triple threat Tuesday all 3 brothers (if you watch both channels... like you should ;) )
Remember spending a lot of quarters on one of these in the booth at our local Pizza Hut back in the day.
Great tag team video.
Great repair video !
44:26 that tiny UFO being unable to hit you could be a clue. These aim at you and usually hit you in the first 3 shots. Now many of the shots this bugger fired weren't even aimed anywhere near you.
The crackling in the sound is gotta be one of the LM324s on the board. These very often go bad and usually sound way worse.
You would think that, but not this time!
Great team. Great videos.
I've had transistors test OK between Base - Collector and Base - Emitter OK but which have a short (or resistance) between Emitter and Collector. It's always worth a quick check.
I've had transistors test OK out of circuit, but fail to pass any meaningful current.
@@senilyDeluxe A slight lack of gain too.
Years ago, I had Asteroids something awful, so I had them surgically removed.
Always wanted one of these
Hey Joe!!
And Ron!!
Hey Jason!
Wait ! Is this the Jason ??? The Jason with the bug ???
I don’t think anyone has it as bad as Arcade Jason. There’s nowhere to sit down in his entire house 😆
I dunno... It looked great on your video! This is very informative I must say... Even though you didn't replace the lights with LED's so they would pop! The transistor notes were great. Have a great thanksgiving guys!
7:12 alright, I’m gonna cheat a little bit because I have all these power supplies… your old hippy friend is probably thinking, ‘my work here is done’ and grinning sheepishly to himself 😅
This was the best style of cocktail table. Perfect for booths and eating food on. The other style... not so much. Local sandwich and pizza parlor had a Pac Man kitted into this style of cocktail when I was a kid.
I've got 2 asteroids too, a cocktail and a mini 😊
i love Asteroids too
Any reasons why Raster monitors don't have a Spot Killer circuit but Vector XY Monitors need a Spot Killer circuit for what reasons? The spot killer circuit is turning OFF the XY deflection transistors and circuit
Thanks for this! I really find smooth textureless polygons really charming to look at, but there's something even cooler at looking at these vector graphics on real sharp displays, and even today, despite technology advancing so much, nothing has really been able to surpass how clean these vector graphics look. I always wonder if we'll ever get some sort of successor to the long obsolete vector monitors, like a vector based LCD screen. The closest I've seen are some light projectors that were trying to emulate these arcade games, and they look really good. And it's a shame the Vectrex was the only vector based console to ever come out. Though it's a no wonder they died out, as raster graphics can do basically everything that they can do, but in more complex detail. I think there's a hobbyist following for it nowadays. Do you know if there was ever a 3D platformer that was made with this vector technology?
Feel thecitch!feel the itch
If you have the sickness for one game, I can't think of a better one. Simple but oh so addictive.
I KNOW WHATS WRONG WITH IT. ITS BROKE.❤
How did you know?
Being a kid growing up in the Arcades in the 70s and 80s, I have ofter wandered how lucractive the average arcade were. Did most make decent money?
Yes it was a great business for awhile, Most the games paid for themselves pretty quick from what the old Operators tell me.
From a previous episode, Ron was talking about laurel and hardy movie. The movie was called, way out west.
transistor's base is center letter PNP=+ - + NPN= - + - (electronics) i know just enough to be dangerous
I know, I know....."power supply, power supply, power supply!"
Spotkiller just pulls the Z up to blank the screen (when either X or Y is not oscillating), the monitor is very much still "on".
Ronnie, you missed your calling as a professor/teacher.
Might be nice to visit this customer of yours and do a video of his 50 games. Would make a great video, subject his approval of course.
It's on the to do list for sure!
Get the beefier versions of the 3792 and 3796
I've had the bug for 20 years😂
Can you fix it? I'm betting "Yes."
Power Supply Power Supply Power Supply. -or maybe- something's broke
Yodelayheehoo
Hello Lil Everette!
Is that an Electrohome monitor?
I can’t remember if it’s an electrohome or wg, they’re nearly identical
@@LyonsArcade I'm going to see if I still have my old schematics. I think I have one for both monitors. Great video, BTW.
Joe and Ron , you guys are an inspiration! I bought an Asteroids yesterday that was working and then had issues when I brought it home. The Y axis was no longer working. Because of your tips, I was able to figure out how to fix the issue. I hope I get as good as you two when it comes to fixing machines some day! th-cam.com/video/4Gib0RZynXU/w-d-xo.html
I knew you could fix it :)
@@LyonsArcade Quick question, when adjusting the monitor, how much "streaking" should you see as asteroids and as bullets fly in the area? A lot? A little? or none at all?
Squished pin syndrome.