Ret Paladin TWW Beta - New Talents! Overview + Gameplay Duels/ Arenas! WoW 11.0 The War Within
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Seems like Ret went from always being a single target beast to Aoe now, seems like they focus alot on Mythic +, I love when TV hits like a Truck, thank you for the update ❤
thx for the update mate, taking a break from retail atm but always watch your videos to stay in touch with news on my main ret, keep up the good work
Thanks!
It is interesting how long the mage lived in the first game. I don't know but that shouldn't be...
mages are nearly unkillable blizz jst went over board with them
and the damage of the paladin in the first game should be?
@@maeselance when he gets 0 focused and can do what he want than this happens, yeah. Furthermore you should ask yourself why he was able to do so much dmg. The mage healed himself several times to full hp, got plenty of shields and teleports without a sweat around the map like he pleases while being jumped by 2 players
@@BetterLookBehindYou that is the excuse to double the dmg ?
@@maeselance I see. You are not able to get the point. Every further discussion would be senseless.
Have a great day
No matter how many breaks I take, I know I can come back and count on your guides. Looking forward to the new expansion
Thanks for the video, man! You're doing the Lord's work :D
I am super excited, paladin looks so much fun
Its very enjoyable right now
Hey bro! Question for you: I haven't played in a VERY long time. To give you an example... The highest level I remember was 100, logged in recently, and my guys are 50. I'm thinking on pre-ordering TWW, and I hear it also gives you Dragon flight access. I mainly just PVP.. HATE PVE. Can I jump back into the game to strictly PVP? Or do I need to do a bunch of PVE stuff before I can? Like I'm the type of player, I'd rather not quest, I'd just PVP to level xD Thanks man!
If you buy TWW you will get a lvl 70 boost so no need to level until TWW launches! Pvp gearing is fairly quick too.
@@LvladenPvP Awesome brother! Thank you for the reply :) Considering Ret, Feral, or DH. I know you're a Ret :P What would you suggest of the three? Based off what you've seen?
Seal of the Crusader seems like burned talent points without taking the HoW talent underneath it. Might've freed up 3 points to use elsewhere?
Yep!
Looks like a lot has changed since this video. Patiently waiting on the next one =D
Once again thanks for the video, couple of things, on the herald side gleaming rays also got nerfed from 10% down to 6% really sad, every week for the past 5 weeks heralds gotten nerfs. what was a fun and powerful hero spec feels medicore now IMO. Also surprised you didn't mention how much of a dps loss losing vanguard of justice was, I'm not a fan of the new talent holy flames(most likely dead talent for PVE) I think its garbage for PVE and PVP. Having a suped up mega Divine storm once every 20 seconds was way more damage (like 3-4 times more in my testing) then having a 3% dmg buff across that same 20 second time frame, losing vanguard of justice is a huge loss in burst dmg potential. Ive given feed back saying the new talent is bad and that they should now get rid of Inquisitors Ire and put vanguard of justice back in its place at rank 1 30% stacking 3 times. this would make sense. As you noted DS gone back to feeling avg to press now. Also don't sleep on crusading strikes, yes its kinda boring but in conjunction with the new heart of the crusader and zealot fervor its damage has increased a lot and it will proc Art of war/blade of justice more with 40% attack speed as well as increase HP generation, I think herald may favour crusading strikes as it has a reliable slow meaning more uptime on targets were as templar strikes might favour templar build, Thanks again for the video.
Crusading strikes might be better in pve but you dont have that kind of melee uptime in PvP unless fighting cleaves. Personally I dont notice the loss of vanguard of justice at all. I actually like the functionality of holy flames because it gives blade of justice and expurgation a purpose. Previously BoJ was just a filler spell or the last in priority to extend shake the heavens. Now it feels worth pressing and makes every spell in the rotation have a purpose. Templar slash is also the hardest hitting spell we have outside of hammer of light. Im sure both are close in sims but now those who enjoy an active ability can do so.
damage is good and all but i dont know why they dont buff the healing.
Ret healing is pretty good right now through the hero talents but yeah baseline spells such as flash of light and word of glory by themselves are still very low. If its any consolation Ret can almost indefinitely live if you cycle your defensive CDs properly and in-between big defensives you use wake of ashes for the heal and shield.
Hey, bro. What macro or sequence did you use on 12:20 minute??? It was amazing!!!
I was low so I used bubble and instead of healing myself I did as much damage as I could into him during the bubble. As bubble fades I use wake of ashes and then hammer of light to heal myself to live until I can hammer of justice him into a templar strike then final verdict.
@@LvladenPvP Thank you so much for reply me, you are my idol, bro.
I hope one day I can be good like you on PVP, even I not using macros :(((
Herald of the Sun still playable in PvP? Or is Templar the way to go now?
Yes its still playable/good. Took some nerfs - templar currently most likely better but its close.
How did you grow your TH-cam
So are we better off in the war within or nah? Cheers
Id say so! Not that we are bad right now in retail haha
Details for alpha? Curse forged? Or manually drop in x86 folder?
Copied the retail 11.0 version into the x86 beta addons folder
@@LvladenPvP much luv xoxo
Hi could you post your keybindings ? Thx a lot!
Like a list of what spells I have keybound and where? I have everything keybound. If you full screen the video you can see what keys I have on which binds.
@@LvladenPvP ill try to figure it out ! Thanks! Yes i meant which spells you have on which keys
@@LvladenPvP your 5 your R and your shift-r for example. do you have any logic in it ? lets say for example everything with shift+.. is for partyplayer 1
Double Dps games last that long ? Thats wild 😢 11:00
I knooooow... :P and that wasnt even that long haha I had a 12 minute 1v1 with a DK in a skirm the other week.
Do you think double dps will be viable in war within? Esp against dps/heals? Me and my mate want to do ret paladin fury warrior, trying in retail atm but st high rating is impossible lol
@@Ben-iv4yb also interested on his take here but with all the self healing and defensives I don’t think double dps will stand a chance at high rating into any dps healer team. 😔
RET WENT LIVE WITH 10% DIVINE PROTECTION LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
Maybe I’m the only one but I feel like Templar is too squishy compared to herald specially first mins fight in the arena before dumpening starts to stack too much
Without ground, we lost our mobility against mages and mana is still tied to WoG. Is it so hard to give us non-dispel freedom?
Ret mobility in TWW is higher than retail atm. Right now you can run double 8 second steed while still having the ranged capabilities of dragonflight. In DF (at least in pvp) we could only take steed with no modifiers.
@@LvladenPvP I may not have understood your statement, but DF could have taken 8 seconds as well, but at least we had grounds and judgment of pity. In TWW, only templar increases movement speed in the first 3 seconds by 30%, but it doesn't make much difference if the mage reduces all speed by 50%.
@@Falxel I mean I guess technically we could take double 6 second steed but it wasn’t possible if you were playing meta talents. Idk what you mean by ground though.
@@LvladenPvP I mean, the "Consecrated blade" talent that was in DF was made passive in TWW, and now we can throw Hallowed Ground under the enemy's feet, but not under ours to remove the slowdown
Great vid thanks
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The talents before hand that made final verdict hit 3 targets and big divine storm damage were way cooler. They always do this with the Ret rework even in the initial rework at the start of dragonflight. They always come out with really cool talents and concepts and then a couple builds later, they remove them for something bland and dog shit. Fuck sake Blizzard!!
The final verdict cleave talent is still there. If you really think about it vanguard of justice was completely passive (at least in pvp) youre not sitting there stacking it waiting to press an active divine storm. Empyrean legacy just consumed the stacks if you had it. I am actually a fan of holy flames as it gives Blade of justice and expurgation a purpose in the rotation. Previously BoJ was the last in priority and only really used when you had nothing else to extend shake the flames. Now we have a better reason to push the spell and everything in the rotation has a clear purpose and priority.
Omg the chicken wing shoulders flopping around look so stupid I just can't not laugh. Thank goodness for t-mog
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Idk man I think you sleeping on crusading strikes with how many blade of justice you get from auto swings it might be back again over all these new big changes are a pvp nerf fasure tho we finally had a big one shot build or single target build now we just stuck with boring bullshit but most of all I'm pissed about sacrosanct nerf because it's OK for other classes to have 5 million shields and passive heals like locks demon hunters and even hunters and rouges but ret get something decent nerf off rip smh this why I just can't buy beta the bullshit just doesn't stop I only want to play the final build that's it
Ret definitely still has a high amount of survivability right now. Almost nothing can kill Paladin right now if you cycle your CDs and wake of ashes properly. I do wish our offheals were potent though, that is still weak unfortunately. I don't plan on playing crusading strikes unless they nerf templar strikes. I just like the melee ability too much and I prefer templar where it can extend shake the heavens. If I play herald I might end up trying crusading strikes but the downside of buffing the melee attack speed talents is that our range on crusading strike is 3yds less than DF which means it will have less uptime and cleave less with blessed champion. In PvE its definitely a buff though.
@lvladen Are you seeing any action on your bug reporting? Ive submitted multiple bug reports in beta regarding spells and talent nodes not working as intended, like 6 duplicates once every week after the build changes and NONE of them have been fixed, this is very frustrating cause all we have to go on as players is the tooltip information if something goes against that, what other option do we have then to thinks its a bug? makes me think that there not listening to the community and that the submit a bug section is a joke. Why should i have to submit 6-7 bugs once every week for 6 weeks of the same bugs only to have them ignored and not fixed. Biggest offender is wake of ashes not being affected by seal of orders 10% cd reduction on blessing of dusk, literally every other generator including divine toll, exection sentence, final reckoning(when talented) and all std generators are affected but wake of ashes isnt.. SO frustrating as I use execution sentence talented with divine AUxillary and now have to wait an extra 3 seconds to fire it and wake of ashes back to back. Is it normal for all of my bugs to not be fixed after 6 weks of me harrassing them?
@@nathanott4544 bug fixing has been very slow but that’s probably because the xpac releases soon and they need to get all the content out. Bugs I reported in alpha have been fixed
@@LvladenPvP cheers lets hope your positive outlook rubs off on me, and they take action on bugs submitted soon.
Been watching a lot of duels, especially on that Dalaran Gaming channel, and rets just get their asses handed to them by survival hunters, destro locks and unholy dks, mostly.
Nah, dude, this stinks. I'm already thinking of going back to my ancient unholy dk now that they no longer suck at PVP.
Rets pretty good dueler right now. Probably top 3.
@@LvladenPvP You mean YOU are, but then you're above average.
@@sygmarvexarion7891 if I can do it anyone can! Just about cycling your CDs and using wake of ashes between the forbearance windows :) big healing.
Damn still hoping Blizzard wakes up and brings back class identity... Cloth wearers should do big damage but be squishy af, that mage should not have been able to survive that long against a ret, especially not with another class on him! I mean at this point they might as well be called tanks.
XD just wait and see what a good mage can do.. haha
By that logic should plate wearers be tanky and do no damage? 😂
@@akirameru675 plate wearers used to have lower mobility because they were tankier... Uk the game actually made sense
poor enhancement shaman still getting no re work🤣
I know :( they got some buffs but both hero talents are still pretty underwhelming. Im going to probably make some enhance videos before the end of the beta.
The talent trees are way too complicated these days. Completely overwhelming for new players, so they won’t even try and play. Way too many talents overlap with one another so it’s even confusing when swapping them around for existing players. It’s just not intuitive anymore.
Talents should be designed in a way to specifically enhance single abilities or provide a new specific ability and that’s it. There should be no other talents that then modify that ability again. This tree has certain talents that need to be taken to stack with another talent that is not even near it on the tree. Something blizzard won’t do now because they are in too deep..
The numbers have also ballooned way too much. It’s stupid when you hit someone for millions of damage because it’s been compounded by 3+ modifiers and to actually utilize a certain talent it has to be paired with others, which you wouldn’t know without studying the tree intensely. Then when you make a change the numbers are still hitting for millions of damage but you might be missing out on like 200k but you might not even notice it because the numbers are so big. Then you’re confused why your total dps is down when you made a small adjustment. They need to simplify the game, because it’s just that, a game..
This also makes it harder to balance for themselves, which we all know they suck at the balancing of classes, albeit they are finally realizing they need to balance more frequently and are doing better at that. Just make it easier on yourself blizz..