I truly don't understand religious violence. If you have the truth why does it matter what others believe? You will have the last laugh. Religion to me also seems like a very personal thing. Unless someone insults your beliefs I don't really get why you have to enforce them on others.
@@Blackdeathgaming-yv1kk Some religions are "universal", being unrestricted by race or culture or nationality. They claim to have the one true reality and morality from the highest authority and their mission is to make everyone just like them. Islam and Christianity for sure, Judaism isn't real big on converting everyone. Its just how they are....
Force? Idiot Goths sacked rome in 410 and adopted to west rome culture to keep their empire secured and running 😂😂 This guy only gave examples of germanics forcing the religion on other germanics because they didnt know any better
I can say as an Estonian that when Estonian pagans were converted into christianity, then most of us went to the sacred rivers and washed it off, but pretended to be christians still
@@parabot2 there are stories of danes being baptised several times, them crossing the danevirket to christianed saxon lands to get the free white tunic. 😆 some were caught after a few times tho.
@@InAeternumRomaMater i'll see if i can find the source: "Written sources mention a gift that came with baptism - a set of fine white clothes. This tempted many Vikings to be baptised. A monk called Notker attended a baptism ceremony at the Frankish court in the 800s, and described how a Viking was also present. Many people were baptised that day, and when it came to this individual’s turn, there were no more white clothes left. Therefore he was presented with a set of coarser and simpler clothes. When this happened he apparently said: Twenty times I have been bathed and given the best and whitest clothes, but such sackcloth is not fit for a warrior, it suits a swineherd better. And if it was not because I was ashamed of my nakedness, I would give you back both the clothes and your Christ …"
Forcing your religion upon other people has always been a focal point for me. I've been speaking with people from all kinds of religions and all say that my believe is fake and I will end up in hell of some sort. Always judging my believe. I've been raised by Christian parents, but they've let me walk my own path and never forced it upon me. The rest around me did. Now I have a wife and she's also pagan. Nice to live in the Netherlands and have someone with the same believe.
Provincie Utrecht hier! Net een stukje biblebelt zelfs dus ik snap je ontzettend goed hoe het is van een omgeving die hun christelijke hel en verdoemenis prediken wanneer je zegt heiden/pagan te zijn. De Middeleeuwse christen propaganda dat de heidenen een stelletje wilde duivelse barbaren zijn zit er ontzettend diep ingebakken bij de christenen. Maar voorouders komen van origine uit Harlingen, Stamboom gaat terug tot 16e eeuw Friesland. Dus mogelijk voel ik daarom veel meer met het paganisme dan met de invasieve romeinse onderdrukkers.
Here in Sweden churches was built on raised pagan sites and many many churches have smashed up runestones in the foundation (facing outwards) as to show christian dominance.
@@asgrim1513 oh, they'll be around still. But looking at the people emerging from churches here in town on Sundays, they're all old! Hubby's theory is that they's just going because they're old and wanting to not end up in hell if it exists, so it's a "just in case it's true" attendance 😂 We never see anyone young coming out if these doors.
@@asgrim1513 Christianity as default is gone we are seeing the rise of a non-Christian Europe. Figures show a majority of young adults in 12 countries have no faith, with Czechs the least religious. The survey of 16- to 29-year-olds found the Czech Republic is the least religious country in Europe, with 91% of that age group saying they have no religious affiliation. Between 70% and 80% of young adults in Estonia, Sweden and the Netherlands also categorise themselves as non-religious. The most religious country is Poland, where 17% of young adults define themselves as non-religious, followed by Lithuania with 25% Christianity as a default, as a norm, is gone, and gone for good.
@@parabot2 you are right about young Europeans moving away from Christianity. I hosted a foreign exchange student from the Czech Republic who refuted Christianity, and my brother's Lithuanian wife is decidedly pagan. It would appear at a glance that most are not embracing paganism, but adopting a more or less secular atheist viewpoint. While I disagree with Christianity, there are some moral principles that I could agree with that seem to be disappearing as modern Europeans become more nihilistic. It would be nice to see a strong resurgence of Europeans returning to paganism, but if that is happening its a movement in its infancy or possibly to remain a niche activity. Time will tell.
There are a lot of grooming (adults preying on children) books flooding into schools and those should be banned. Save one copy to be held up for public ridicule for eternity, right beside "M3in K@mpf" and "The Gr3at R3s3t"
I am a Frisian heathen, now living in Bremen. One thing I missed is that Bonefatius was killed near Dokkum, Fryslân, by the Frisians. Suppose that can be seen as karma 😀
Bonifatius was a terrorist in his days. Destroying our frisian holy sites and frisian culture. That is why he was " removed" and rightly so. I do not consider that to be murder. In fact Bonifatius was a representative of the Druids from Britain. Fryslan boppe!
Thank you for all your work in compiling and making these videos :D I often think about all things our ancestors suffered trying to keep our pagan beliefs alive.
In the US, in Catholic parochial school we of course NEVER learned about that. Just like they never mentioned the genocide and slavery Spanish Catholics brought to the "New World".
Please keep doing what you do. I consider myself pagan I do not share this with the people around me because of the backlash I simply go on about my business and let them go about theirs.
I'm the same there brother my belief's are my own as are my politics I don't ask others what there beliefs are and quite frankly don't care just leave me in peace as I do with you.
TH-cam this ( What if Christianity was Rome's Woke Movement? ) It explains from a Pagan view how Rome was taken over/Down , much like the Modern West .
Dannevirke fortifications were built largely to defend Denmark from the Franks. We definitely were supposed to be next after the Saxons and Frisians but had held out for another couple of centuries. Some hypothesize the viking raids against western Europe, were partially a response to attempts at forced christianization, at least in the beginning. Likewise they could've started as a shot across the bow, responding to the appearance of christian monks in danish lands. Kind of makes sense as the danes were definitely aware of what had just happened to the south of Denmark, they knew that the monks were a bad omen, followed by frankish swords and the message could've been: don't you dare come here or else this is what awaits you. We're not going to go down easy. Harald Bluetooth accepted christianity for practical reasons, but it was kind of pathetic let's be honest. Today Harald I is basically celebrated more than his father, being buried in Roskilde Cathedral and all...
In addition to the Danevirke, there is the fact that Alcuin of York, Charlemagne's head advisor from the Church, was in regular correspondence with Lindisfarne, which is where the famous raid took place in 793. Alcuin played a key role in encouraging Charlemagne to force the Saxons into converting.
Alex, I think Harald is praised so much because he won himself all of Denmark and Norway, and we Danes kinda have a hard-on for Denmark looking big on maps. I mean... Just look at how we over the span of a couple years made the entirety of the Internet go from "Ha haaa! Denmark small!" to "you forgot Greenland."
i think you are misinterprating the facts here... the viking raids targeted the monasteries because they had no soldiers to defend them , because they were often built on isolated islands (like the one of Lindisfarn) so easy for hit and run from boats , because they had relics and rockery made of silver and gold... the idea that the raids were an anti-crusade of some sort is a romanticised version of history, the raids were about greed ! The anglosaxon kingdoms of the Heptarchy or the heirs of Charlemagne were at each other throats for power and thrones so a geostrategic situation easy to exploit ! And often some of those christian warlords hired viking mercenaries to do their dirty work, here again the reality is far away from a pagan war of religion where pagans and christians would have always been enemies two examples Pepin 2nd had a viking army to help him to claim his kingdom in the 840's, and then the battle of Clontarf 1014 christians and vikings fought as allies in both rival armies.
Something similar is happening today with politics now. All the western countries embrace radical far-left agenda while countries on the other side like India remain mostly traditional and ethnically homogenous.
A lot of the Muslim kings looked after the Hindus and Buddhists without enforcing Islam on them. The violent hatred the Hindus had for Muslims started these conflicts.
THIS reason and the destruction of the Library at Alexandria is why I'm still holding a grudge against those people.....the people not the religion itself.
Organized Christianity (that is, the founding of the Roman Catholic Church c. 325 C.E. & the later Protestant Churches) has been a major political force since its founding, & it has worked to destroy all other cultures & their religions into the present. (Early Christian groups, generally known as the Gnostics, were the first to be destroyed by organized Christianity.) The very basis of organized Christianity is quite clear in its claims & demands, as it is based on the claim the Christian religion is the only true religion & that their God is the only true god, that all non-Christians must convert & that all non-Christian peoples must convert. This is no different from a school bully demanding that everyone must agree with his claims or else. And the Church became the most powerful institution in Europe by forcing itself on all other peoples. It became such a major power by first converting the masses of the Hellenic world, largely by the church fathers rewriting of scripture with anti-Jewish views that would make it acceptable to the Hellenic culture that was then dominant. In order to appeal to the Hellenic world, it had to disclaim any ties with Judaism, which was very difficult & took a lot of distortion since early Christianity had been founded as a sect of Judaism & since the Judaic elements could not be entirely erased from the scriptures which came to be a major element. But the founders of the Church rewrote much of what came to be part of their Bible, often claiming these scriptures were originated by Christians & not connected with Judaism. It was a major feat, but with the Christian theft of much Judaic thought & the rewriting of scriptures to deny any connection with Judaism & to demonize Judaism & the Jews, the early church was able to achieve great popularity & eventual conversion of most of the Hellenic world. The church, having become dominant in the Hellenic world, then set out to conquer other parts of Europe. With the Roman empire becoming Christian-dominated, with the Church having won the power to rule via law, the conversion of the Roman-ruled regions of Europe began. Most Christians seem to know little of this history, instead having chosen to believe that conversion to Christianity was voluntary. It was seldom voluntary, in Europe or elsewhere. Forced conversion of non-Christians was widely practiced throughout pagan Europe & later throughout the Americas. For example, during the 200 yrs or so when Sp. states were gradually seizing rule from the Islamic peoples (who had ruled for centuries & who had allowed both Jews & Christians to practice their own religions), the forced conversion of Sp. Jews began in earnest. Increasingly, from the 14th c through the 15th c, as the Church & Crown took over most of Spain, the Christian populace & clergy rounded up Jewish residents & forced them to undergo forced conversion. Then in 1492, Christian Spain ousted the last of the Islamic states, Grenada, in the same year sent all Sp. Jews into exile (retaining their properties, to be divided between Church & Crown), then beginning the Sp. Inquisition in earnest by targeting the Conversos/Maranos. The Conversos were those of Jewish ancestry who had converted to Christianity & they had long served as the main educated middle class of Spain. Since with accusation by the Sp. Inq., properties of the accused were seized (personal homes included) & since the great majority of the accused were found guilty by the Inq. tribunals, the Crown & the Church gained massive wealth. In that same year as the active start of the Sp. Inq. & the forced exile of Sp. Jews (most of whom had lived there for centuries), Columbus was financed to set sail for the Americas. His first voyage was meagerly financed, but his second voyage in 1493 was extravagantly financed. He returned to the Americas with 17 ships, highly equipped with armaments & with ships equipped to return with great numbers of slaves. Natives of the Caribbean were to be the slaves. The practice of forced conversion was practiced wherever the invaders went in the Americas. A brief statement was read aloud (in Spanish of course) to any new native peoples encountered, a statement which said the person promised loyalty to the Sp. Crown & to the Church. Any Indians who did not immediately agree to submit to Christianity & the Crown were killed. A massive slave trade in native peoples quickly developed after 1503, with massive numbers of Indians shipped to N. Africa & Spain to be sold on the slave markets. Many others were enslaved to work the plantations & silver mines throughout Mexico & elsewhere, with untold millions dying of starvation & of literally being worked to death. Unlike with the slaves brought from Africa, who had a higher monetary value & who were encouraged (forced) to reproduce, the enslaved Indians received not even minimal food or sleep but were worked till they dropped dead, usually within two years at most. (The popular myths re how Indians were somehow unsuited for slavery & were thus replaced by stronger African slaves is mere myth.) The Protestant denominations have no better history than the Catholic. Nor were the British & other Eurpopean invaders & colonizers any less cruel than the Spanish. In what's now the U.S., the various Christian denominations had an active hand in their own forms of forced conversion. (And Indians were enslaved, with the US government merely ignoring it if not actively profiting. Many early founders made private fortunes from seizing Indians to sell on the slave markets, Indians with whom they had peace treaties. This accounted for the genocide of many of the smaller Indian nations east of the Miss.) The notorious "residential schools " for Indians in the US & Canada were organized & operated by the churches. In the US, various denominations pressured the US gov. to establish such Indian schools, the US gov. having no problems with this particular plan for genocide. Conversion to Christianity meant conversion to the western way of life, death of all aspects of native cultures. But that is what Christianity has demanded since it was first organized into churches: total conversion to the dominant power's way of life. The hold Christianity has over the majority of people in the US is almost never recognized by Christians. But it is still the dominant religion & the dominant view of life & it permeates every part of life, as is its very nature. After all, claiming to possess the only truth, claiming that all other views are not only false but offensive. (Islam is Christianity's twin, since each makes the same basic claims of being "the only way." If this foundation is recognized, how can anyone deny that this is an overt & pervasive form of bullying?) For an excellent comparative study of Christianity & Native Am. spirituality, see Vine Deloria's revised edition of "God Is Red", in which he explains not only the vast differences but how Christianity has been used as a method of cultural genocide.
The irony in all of that is Charlemagne practiced a very Germanized, warlike version of medieval Christianity--one that was far-removed from the religion preached by the Nazarene known as Jesus Christ. It was highly influenced by paganism. Saint Boniface chose to cut down an oak tree said to have been dedicated to Thor precisely because violence and power were the common language known to these Germanic "barbarians". The Frisians would've laughed their Germanic asses off at a "God" that got captured, flogged, and executed by being nailed to a wooden cross. Please note that I'm not passing judgement on any of these people or historical events. Read the The Germanization of Early Medieval Christianity by James C. Russell.
Germanized? I mean Charlemagne was Germanic (though of course that is not how anyone would have identified back then). You are basically saying that Charlemagne acted like a person of his time, background and position would have acted. No shit
@@ikbo It´s always funny how muslims write these utopian lies about how wholesome their religion is. Completely tone deaf about the tensions in India over Islam. Or in the Balkans. Or in Israel. Or in the Ottoman Empire. Or what the Caliphate did from 632 AD and afterwards. But yeah, keep lying about how it´s "prohibited" to forcefully convert people. You just kill them if they lose the upper hand.
I certainly have experienced stupidity, hate and threats of violence from Christian keyboard cowards against me many times on line in the last few years and it’s getting worse. I was watching 3 livestreams this week and all the chats were FULL of Christian supremacist bullies. They certainly aren’t making me want to be like them…They’re only making me really hate them! 😡
Great video. There is also plenty of history regarding christian violence against pagans in southern Europe too. Especially rome and countries with hellenic religion. Torture, executions, vandalization, ect ect.
@@Surtur99 what the hell are you talking about lol innocent Christian’s were murdered and killed. If you publicly announced you were a Christian you were executed, either thrown into a pit and torn apart by animals, crucified, or burnt alive. Learn history you ignorant clown. Not to mention early Christian’s in Rome we’re predominantly slaves, descendants of slaves, and lower-class non Roman immigrants who were already disdained by the Roman elites and despised by the Roman Citizens. Roman, and pagan culture as a whole had no tradition of caring for the poor, sick, and vulnerable. Which is why many people of these groups were drawn towards Christianity, as they offered community and help to anyone whether they believed in Christ or not. Early Christian’s were non-violent. Despite being despite being persecuted and murdered by pagans, not a single Christian ever fought back or attacked the pagans who were persecuting them.
@@nicobrady1596 From what i understand, there’s a whole dynamic there where social groups tend to re-perpetrate oppression and trauma on other groups. Similar to how people left to escape European feudalism then turned around and decimated the native Americans/ First Nations (I think that’s what they prefer, but I could be wrong). The church became the state religion of the Empire after Constantine and inherited a lot of bad history from it. Just look at what the Church did to the Cathars, and for so little reason. Disregard blame or competition, it’s just the nature of human ignorance regardless of group identity.
@@darkstream28 the ones that actually faced persecution did not live to enact any sort of revenge, and our scriptures specifically tell us not to, and to “love your enemy.” Christianity changed after Constantine’s conversion, and in fact adopted many pagans ways and traditions. The Romans usurped Christianity, and used it as a means to assert more control over their people. I’m in fact writing my dissertation for university specifically on this topic.
From the Christian perspective it was their duty to save souls and stop ignorant peoples worshipping the devil. This is why they were so forceful, they believed it was gods will and they had to enforce it. Personally I am on the fence about which spiritual position is the truth, but human sacrifice gives paganism a sour taste….sacrificing in general to appease a deity seems a bit silly.
From what i know in norse paganism, sacrifice (blot) isn't to appease deity. It is an exchange for what you ask to the gods, or to say thank you to tyem for what they have broight to you. In most of cases the flesh is eaten and only the things like bones etc are given to the gods. Sometime when it was very important all the animla is given to them. But it was not to appease, it was to ask.
Not that it makes it cool or anything, but it's important to note celts and most germanics were killing prisoners of war (romans) criminals or animals that had become lame. So basically the ancient death sentence. Except they made the death holy by commemorating it to the creator. Sending the soul back to source intentionally.
I have lived in mostly mountainous rural areas of the American West during my life, filled with fundamentalist Christian fervor. When you resist their desires to convert you, they will flat out tell you, "You are going to Hell!" If only I had a nickel for each...
I had a talk, over a pint or two, at my local the other night. This guy us a Christian and quite active within his church, mainly the music program. Our conversation turn a bit on religion with a young couple sitting next to us. She is a Christian, he isn't. The fella I was Shar conversation with interjected, "That's okay, it's not a competition". Which I think is the right attitude more Christians (or any other Abrahamic faith based religion) , and to be honest, several pagans could use.
Thank you . I had some missing pieces and questions. Your lecture put me on a new path and gave me some serious sources to check out . My brain is no longer stuck or bored . My God Bless and Keep You for blessing me
I heard that one of the reasons why the Vikings targeted France so much was because of Charlemagne's war on the Saxons. Another often forgotten part of history is that Charlemagne conquered the Avars, although he did so with an alliance with the pagan Bulgarian Krum, who is notorious for turning the head of the Byzantine Emperor into a drinking cup. The Hungarians later were allegedly seen by the Avars as their liberators, they told the Hungarians the way in which Charlemagne conquered them and when the Franks attempted to invade Hungary they knew exactly how to defeat them which became known as the Battle of Pressburg, the battle of Pressburg was actually the climax of 5 consecutive battles, all of which the Hungarians won. The Hungarians relentlessly raided Western Europe, specifically targeting the regions where Charlemagne distributed the war loot taken from the Avars, possibly the motivation was retribution for his war on the Avars. The Viking and Hungarian raids were so relentless that the Karlings were constantly defeated and humiliated, to the point that they lost power and new nobility took their place. So it's good to see that the Karlings in the end paid the price for Charlemagne's deeds and there was retribution.
The old cults got rebranded as "global warming" and "Branch C0vidian$" complete with the cluster b phony persecution and entitlement complex, and psychopaths demanding total control from everyone including nonbelievers
Timely I just did my dna and found out that I am almost entirely German and Scandinavian (Norwegian , Dane and Swedish with 3% Irish . I just tonight was talking to my husband about digging into ancestry honoring and worship and reclaiming our tribal history from before we were forced into conversion.. like literally. Talking just hours ago
Similar test results. Mostly Scandinavian. Rest, Northern Germany. Years ago a doc called it, correctly guessing what i now know. Told me to eat the way my ancestors did and i would feel better. It worked. Also explained a lot of lifelong inclinations.
Ive started making runes and pendants from Elk antlers. My wife has studied runes for years. Extremely interesting. I grew up on several Native American reservations. Their tribal ways and rituals always felt better. I learned how to pray in a sweat lodge. Finally finding a safe and grounded spiritual path. Our ancestors were basically robbed of our heritage. Similar to what Native Americans have gone through just recently. We have alot in common. Constantine started a very genocidal movement. Follow the money, as the man said. Good luck on your journey 👍
Been taking tests since 2000…fathers are Netherlands r1b u106, mf I1, and 20% Native MesoAmerican…just nearly ALL my ancestors fell to the fantasies and violence of the christians.
I had an awakening, and began following the ways of the Old Gods and the traditions of my ancient ancestors about a decade ago. You may discover that our beliefs are still being actively oppressed by powerful and wealthy Christian groups, who like to equate us with a well known political party that rose up in 1930's Germany. They adopted Norse and Germanic folk beliefs, and left us vulnerable to that unflattering comparison. As you may notice, I deliberately omitted certain names...because of the aforementioned oppression.
Saxon's were also present in modern day Netherlands, while the Frisians were the larger people in the area in the early medieval period. Saxons were present in mainly the eastern part of the modern day Netherlands.
@@sebe2255 My brother in Christ. Heheh. I am Low Saxon what you write about the integration is partially true. Linguistically yes there is a significant Low Frankish influence but there is a still a strong seperate Low Saxon identity in the Netherlands.
Excellent video. I have Swedish and Norman English on my maternal side and 100% Finnish on my paternal side. I have always been more in sync with natural sources. I have catholic friends who are more accepting of this, they tend to enjoy a healthy debate of pagan history. Keep up the education of people
Exactly the same as in the Slavic environment. After the arrival of Cyril and Methodius in Great Moravia, christianization was still quite "peaceful". But after a few decades, it was discovered that many people still believed in the old gods and practiced pagan rituals, so the current king Břetislav II. destroyed all remaining pagan sanctuaries and made paganism a crime.
This was a great topic. Thought provoking man, I've got so many questions and comments I can't even begin. I feel a lot like Athleston and Ragnar, im stuck trying to figure out what faith is right for me. I borrow things from a few, I feel like omens are legit I pray with my hands out and open. I'm trying to sort it out. The journey brings more questions than answers I guess.
Very nice approach to idiotisms, or what I called it if even a word. My ex wife was quite religious, I am not. One day I was watching a historic documentary on medieval church practices vs pagan peoples. Until I noticed her also watching, she was crying, and I asked, what is wrong pausing the doco. She said, no don't stop because history is cruel, and my eyes have been opened. I think I now know why you're so against religious institutions. I never knew why, until seeing this, I finally see where you are coming from. I am not against religion, as people need something to believe, and who am I to tell them they are wrong. I do not need to be religious to do the right thing. Religion for me has ruined a lot of humans.
I think it should be clarified that a religion isn't nesicarily a "people" with the only exception really being the Hebrews (Jews). These religious feuds in Europe were more akin to Civil Wars between the same people, and they are all our ancestors equally.
This makes a lot of sense. We can see this happening day after day. If you don't believe what I want you to believe, then we are enemies. Hard to believe (pardon the pun) that this still happens. Love your video, cheers mate.🧙♂
It's so funny that I grew up southern Baptist, yet for years I've been kind of a pagan and honestly didn't even realize it. I have never studied any of this really. I've just always listened to the natural world and had my own "church" alone in the woods. Never told anyone. Never talked about it. I just have done it for most of my life. And now all this comes out. There are just no coincidences in any of this.
You're right. I'd also like to add.Much of the brutality of the medieval Catholic church also had to do with trade. One of the popes (cant remember which one or exactly when) made a decree that christians were no longer allowed to do business with pagans at all. So the some of the kings "converted" and then proceeded to "convert" their populations, usually by the sword. There is NOTHING in the teachings of Jesus Christ that says "killing those who don't share your beliefs is ok". They derived much of their justification for violent actions from the old testament. We don't have time for a biblical history lesson. Its already all been written. Love your videos. Interesting and informative. Much respect.
Christianity was even forced on the native people (Sami) much, much later. Myself was forced by the system be Christian, but when I was older I discovered there was a way to leave that religion too. I have never been Christian by soul or heart, so I happily converted to the Pagan believe (that I always been since I was a kid). I don't mind others having their beliefs as long as they don't try force them on me. Thanks for a great video.
Swedes, Norwegians, and Danes are the native people of Scandinavia. Sami people came long after our ancestors were here. Getting tired of people denying my right and my people's right to a native country and place in this world. And I'm not saying what the Christians did to the Sami is right, it's not. The government and the church were really bad for the Sami, as I do my self have some Sami blond and my woman is half Sami. But we really need to stop trying to deny Scandinavian their native homes. Specially in Sweden it seams that people don't even know there history
The fact that Norway has no birth certificate, but issues a baptismal certificate instead, means you don't legally exist till you're baptised into the statskirken which is Lutheran. It may have changed in later years, with all the new people arriving from other countries having their beliefs, I'm not sure, haven't lived there since 2006
@@galenbjorn443 I mean no group is 100% "native" to thier lands, the indo-europeans moved there at some point in time, and before then there were hunter-gathering groups. Human race history is literally nothing but mirgration and cultural blending.
@@BattleBrotherZuriel no shit, we are not even from this earth if you think like you do. But my point is that in scandinavia we are tought that we are not native to this land but the sami people are from some reason. Even doug our ansestors have been here since the ice melted, the first people. Scandinavia are the people that are the most related to the native hunter and gatheres in scandinavia. But i guess you dont live in Sweden so you dont know how we are denyed our place every day
The people rarely left their farms. The kings, warriors and nobility usually converted to gain favor with Rome, and then forced the people to convert through various violent and non-violent means. So even if there were no "holy Roman" armies forcing people to convert, the church still got their way somehow.
But the Medieval popes and bishops did maintain armies of their own. There are bishops who were sainted for doing little more than killing non-Christians.
The first part about the Franks is incorrect. The Battle of Tolbiac was not fought by Christian Alemanni. These were two warring pagan tribes, and the cause of the Alemannic raids into Frankish territory was not to convert the Franks to Christianity, but simply to pillage and raid due to geographical proximity. Remember that there was no grand, unified Germanic culture at this time, where everyone who worshipped Odin got along with every other Odin worshipper, and raiding among one another was still common in this late period. Another possible reason for the antagonism was the gradual Romanization of the Franks, who were the first tribe to be officially given permission to settle within the borders of the Roman Empire, adopting Roman customs, manners of dress, currency, and friendly relations with the emperor. As a result, the fiercely pagan Alemanni, who had much more of an anti-Roman stance as a result of being founded by wolf warriors earlier on, and were a notoriously implacable enemy of Rome and Emperor Caracalla in particular previously, might have viewed the Franks as traitors, or at the very least, just another extension of Rome by this point. The Alemanni remained pagan until well into the seventh century, and weren't almost entirely Christian until the eighth. In fact, when the Alemanni did establish an alliance with the Franks, the Byzantines noted that they were similar, except in one important aspect: "the Alemanni fighting among the troops of Frankish king Theudebald were like the Franks in all respects except religion, since they worship certain trees, the waters of rivers, hills and mountain valleys, in whose honour they sacrifice horses, cattle and countless other animals by beheading them, and imagine that they are performing an act of piety thereby.[30] He also spoke of the particular ruthlessness of the Alemanni in destroying Christian sanctuaries and plundering churches while the genuine Franks were respectful towards those sanctuaries."
In the city of Utrecht, the Netherlands, a monastry was buid on a pagan sight, where later the Dom church would be constructed. That also did not go with out a massive tug of war between the pagan Frisians and Franks. Lasting decades!
I hope so, but we probably won't get there... Europe is dying by the wish of the globalists and I don't see how just a handful of us pagans can really change that...
@@Perceval777 in the current state, perhaps, but when there is general breakdown of society and lack of basic necessities, it could really push things forward.
@@tallswede80 i doubt trump is coming back. Modern europeans are weak and tolerant. I really dont see it happening. Also muslims countries wont allow it to happen. We would have civil war, get invaded by muslim countries and maybe get invaded by russia
"Charlemagne" is celebrated as the "Father of Europe" these days. In Aachen, they award the "Charlemagne Prizes" for services to the unification of Europe. In his 46 years as king (from the year 800 as emperor), he waged constant wars against neighboring peoples in order to subjugate them to his rule. This included that these peoples had to accept Christianity. If the peoples resisted, he responded with the worst terror imaginable. I hope that those who want to promote the unification of Europe today do not see "Charlemagne" as their role model.
We have never met in person and yet I truly feel accurate in calling you one of my brothers. I agree and appreciate your point of view here as I do on so many of your segments.
@norsemagicandbeliefs Love the video and in depth description, small edit though I might be wrong but I think Estonia or Lithuania was the last European country to convert to christianity as I think they lasted up until the 1400’s in some places of the baltic.
in terms of a bloody conversion, there is also the one of the pagan Jutes of the Isle of wight, who were invaded by the Saxons of Wessex and the local nobility almost wiped out
Thanks for sharing. This history was stolen by the Christian’s. As I listen so many of your videos sound like The SW Native Navaho legends. Their history, the history of my mother’s descendant’s, was subjected to many similar atrocities, first other tribe’s, then Spaniard’s, then more European Christian’s. Stories lost to time. But some remain immortalized through the elder’s and TH-cam. They speak of Holy one’s. The connection with nature. The use of salve’s, ointments, and other medicinal herbs. The use of ceremonies. The parallel’s are striking! I feel grateful to those who share their knowledge. From all parts of the 🌎. We are all children of this Earth.
Christianity was very similar to woke/communist rhetoric in that it promised equality to those who were lower status. It would have been readily accepted by those who stood to gain the most from the new religion, particularly the rich and the poor. Also, while the warriors died off fighting Christians, the peasants who would have been converted were left to repopulate with their new beliefs.
When researching the origin ofApril fools day, it appears it was a New Years celebration of older days for pagans who were lured into celebrating only to be made fools as there was no celebration. New Years was now set at the new Gregorian Calendar. I don't have further information, but I was curious about what the calendar looked like before the year 500 as it makes more sense to start a new year around April first after the Old year has "died" for some reason.
Always a warm an commfy feeling to hear about our ancestor being rounded up and put to the sword. My friend I am sorry to hear your prologe in this, my apologies
I used to be in a Discord server that had a religious section. It wasn't a religious server, it just happened to have this because it was relevant. I rarely interacted in that channel because the times where I did, I could just feel how scathingly uncomfortable the Christians got whenever I started talking about my religion and my hobbies they believe is devil whispering. They mostly kept their mouths shut but they'd avoid talking in depth with me and in fact would start conversing with another Christian who happened to be in that channel until I'd finally leave because they're not trying to keep me in the conversation, they're not engaging me, they're clearly ignoring me and pushing me out. Once new comers found out I wasn't Christian, but i was saying a bunch of shit they agreed with, they'd avoid me. I find it incredibly sad that these people are raised to be so narrow minded and full of fear that they can't engage with anyone, lest they let the Christian devil taint their sheltered and misled minds. I feel sorry for them because their family and community keep them from growing and instead live in fear and hatred. That being said, I respect the Christians who are willing to listen to me and not fear me at least much as their brethren do. Still, I find the ones who are more polite have a tinge to them that creates space between us - it's tolerable, though. My brother recently went Christian and he tried to persuade both my mom and me to convert until eventually he relaxed and made it more personal to himself. Which is where it should stay. Just because your religion helped you, doesn't mean it's a one size fits all application. Keep your views to yourself unless the other person asks. Don't persuade anybody unless they want to hear what you have to say. I don't understand this need to convert or persuade anyone. It makes me suspicious that this is even common in their branches.
"It's not the religion that's the problem, the problem is trying to force your beliefs on others", which to my mind is exactly the difference between Pagans and Christians - Orthodoxy, which is an emphasis on what you believe, vs Orthopraxy, which places importance on what a person *does* , on one's actions and *deeds* . I don't care about what people believe, I judge them by what they *do* .
When the religion says believers can exploit and murder nonbelievers and do unthinkable things to children, then yes the religion itself is the problem
It saddens me to see Euro People's, behave with Afro-Asiatic, Semetic Middle-Eastern and Arabic traits & thoughts, because of Religion, while condemning our existence.
I was calmly talkin to the person who you're referring to but when I look back on the previous video my comments are gone. As mainly an Irish Pagan myself I also cannot deny my Germanic & Cherokee heritage as well as Christianity so I except all. Be open-minded everyone shouldn't limit theirselves to one thing because you'll turn out to be a better person if you understand other countries and cultures 🥃 Sláinte or ⚔️ Bás 🇮🇪
I'm a Englishman and a pagan it's weird my dad's side of the family name comes from Ireland and I have a Scottish grandad from my mum's father I no I have English Germanic Scottish Irish Norwegian ancestry it's weird but I love respect my ancestors roots culture from the past and present now
I'm American, so I vehemently believe in individual rights. As long as a person is never harming other people or infringing on other's rights. I served in the US Army as an MP and served in war over in Afghanistan & Iraq. I personally witnessed the persecution of minorities, including Christians, kurds, Yezids, & others. Some were treated very barbaric. Looking back, I went there with a feminist idea of female liberation. I can't even explain just how ridiculous I felt when we were not, in any means there to liberate girls & women. It completely shattered me. Europe did force millions of people to convert to Christianity. The great Spanish inquisition is a great example. The torturing of people took place daily, some for the shear pleasure of elite rulers. So yes, millions of Christians were forced to join the Catholic Church. Then we had Martin Luther, Whyclift, & Knox, who brought about the protestant revolution, which in turn led to more mass education & enlightenment. So I fully believe that a person has the absolute right to choose whichever spiritual beliefs that they choose.
Power, wealth, control. Same as always. Word of the leaders = word of God, there for, you cannot question them. We see a lot of the same behaviour today: shaming language. "Do you not believe?"
to establish a worldwide abrahamic slave system that permeates your mind, finances, history, education, medication etc. it will crescendo when they name the meshiac and build their third temple, then we all get to experience noahide laws that yes quite a few of our countries have signed onto behind our backs. go look.
I do dread meeting Christians when they find out I am of the Baha’i’ Faith….a pagan by their standards. The Number One Principle of Baha’i’ is Independent Investigation of Truth. It is YOUR decision on what path to follow.
The Christian Cross is Sword ( look at it ) if they did not covert you with the book they used the Sword . Despite the long-held notion that the early Christians were meek and mild, going to their martyr's deaths singing hymns of love and praise . Far from being meek and mild, they were violent, ruthless and fundamentally intolerant.
Kings and emperors who wanted more power & dominance are not reflective of Christian’s or Christianity as a whole. The early Christian’s faced centuries of persecution at the hands of pagans, and did go to their deaths willingly. To announce you are a Christian publicly in the first, second, and third century would almost certainly = death. When the Romans arrested someone who was suspected of being a Christian, they would ask them three times to renounce their faith and worship the emperor as a god. If after the third time they still refused, they were executed.
@@nicobrady1596 Unlike the polytheistic world, in which the addition of one new religion made no fundamental difference to the old ones, this new ideology stated not only that it was the way, the truth and the light but that, by extension, every single other way was wrong and had to be destroyed. From the 1st century to the 6th, those who didn't fall into step with its beliefs were pursued in every possible way: social, legal, financial and physical. Our altars were upturned and temples demolished, our statues hacked to pieces and priests killed. It was an annihilation. Also the Christian religion is Alien by definition to Europe and the European spiritual ways , thus Europeans fought back against this Alien religion.
@@nicobrady1596 Obviously, the pagans had a very good reason to persecute Christianity. They were right. You shouldn't tolerate people who would never tolerate you when they get all the power, people who literally think you are a devil-worshiper or infidel.
As a Christian myself, I despise the Christians of the past whose hearts were corrupted by power and greed and so used government and armies to advance the word of God at the point of a sword. That's not what I was taught, I was taught through my readings that God gives us the free will to follow him or not. Just as Love can not be forced neither can Faith.
About the German regions, the Franks did similar to the Allemanic Swabians who had remained heathens in the south west, as they did to the Saxons, just in a bit smaller scale, the “blood trial of Cannstatt” comes to mind, basically all Allemanic nobles were invited to a feast….and then utterly slaughtered, but not only the nobles, but every Swabian or Allemanic person the Franks could find, then giving their titles to Frankish nobles.
The christians (of the past) weren't much different from the ISIS fighters we see today. I don't blame today's christians of course...it's not their fault. But when I see a christian talking disrespectfully about our gods, pagans or paganism in general, I like to rub the church's bloody history in his/her face. That always works! I'm a Frisian and I find the history of my ancestors very fascinating. Donar's oak wasn't on Frisian territory, but the Frisians must've known about its destruction. Boniface was executed by the Frisians because he violated the laws of Frisia, as codified in the Lex Frisionum 8th century. Destroying a pagan shrine or temple was sanctioned with death. The punishment: The offender's ears were cleft, he was castrated, drowned on the beach and sacrificed to the god whose temple he dishonored. I think Boniface was excecuted with an axe or a sword, so he got off lightly... 😮 Kind regards from Fryslân/Frisia!
The greatness of Christianity did not lie in attempted negotiations for compromise with any similar philosophical opinions in the ancient world, but in its inexorable fanaticism in preaching and fighting for its own doctrine. -A.H
Anytime someone says Visigoth Lineage and people like to chuckle these days. But there's several instances in recent past where such things held a lot of weight. I like this one best- "in 1438 two bishops one from Sweden thr other from Gothic lineage argued who should have more influence in church matters. The swede said them, because they were the homeland of all the Christian germanic people. But the Gothic descended man, slapped them down. The Spanish and Swedish claims of Gothic origins led to a clash at the Council of Basel in 1434. Before the assembled cardinals and delegations could engage in theological discussion, they had to decide how to sit during the proceedings. The delegations from the more prominent nations argued that they should sit closest to the Pope, and there were also disputes over who were to have the finest chairs and who were to have their chairs on mats. In some cases, they compromised so that some would have half a chair leg on the rim of a mat. In this conflict, Nicolaus Ragvaldi, bishop of the Diocese of Växjö, claimed that the Swedes were the descendants of the great Goths, and that the people of Västergötland (Westrogothia in Latin) were the Visigoths and the people of Östergötland (Ostrogothia in Latin) were the Ostrogoths. The Spanish delegation retorted that it was only the "lazy" and "unenterprising" Goths who had remained in Sweden, whereas the "heroic" Goths had left Sweden, invaded the Roman empire and settled in Spain"
The Goths disappeared in history a long time ago, blending into the broader Spanish population. How in the world do you know you're descended from Goths? People living in Sweden or England where Beowulf was composed are more likely to be able to accurately make this claim, given that the Geats were a subgroup of Goths. So if you're Spanish and not from Gotaland in Sweden or East Anglia in England, you're probably of Iberian/North African/Arabic/Roman descent.
Here in Sweden it was mainly done by force, even more, they built Christian churches on all sacred pagan sites in whole of Sweden, everyone can visit and see it for them selfs. A show of dominance. The island ”Öland ” here in Sweden still had pagans up to the 13th century.
It is a heresy to see the gods as distinct and separate deities. There are many gods but they are one face of the same one. Odin is the supreme god who embodies them all, the vector of the gods. We don't say hail Forseti, we say "Hail the Gods" as the sources say
@@CharlesWorthington-pt2vu If I choose to focus on any one particular god over another at any particular time then I will do so without the interference or correction by anyone and am willing to holmgang anyone who seeks to do so!
Christians *literally* have it written into the Bible to "go and *make* disciples of *all* nations"; and they *know* that they can't do it via persuasion because their arguments are so *weak* that even an ordinary person like *me* can defeat them really *easily* . So of *course* they do it by the sword, and that's something that's *never* changed over its history; in *fact* , I honestly believe the modern west being founded on Christianitys and the *other* Abrahamic religions' doctrines is exactly *what* allowed for wokeism to become a thing in the *first* place, since I've actually noticed an *alarming* number of similarities between the two; that's why I honestly think we need to abolish *both* and start over.
I can't speak for anyone else, but i never felt "christian". None of my family were overly religious anyway. Weddings and funerals mostly. And no one knew what they were. My mom was Anglican/Episcopal. My dad wasn't sure if he was lutheran or methodist. Lol. I ALWAYS held animistic feelings. For as long as i can recall. I officially became "Pagan" at 16. I am 49 now. So it's been a minute, lol. When i was 9 my mother gave me a children's bible. The graphic novel kind. I read it. But i recall not seeing myself in any of the characters until the Romans showed up. They were the closest thing to "me" in that book. I feel like we have been stuck in the midst of a 1,500+ yr old case of Stockhom Syndrome. I truly wish all of us broke free from it. Imagine who we'd be if we'd never had Christianity. It would be beautiful.
I'm a pagan as well but to try and act like we wouldn't live in a violent Brutish world. Everything would be beautiful and sunshine and rainbows is laughable
You’d all be in hell if your ancestors never converted to Christianity. Europe has embraced Christianity for centuries now and it has helped it innovate, develop and explore the world. If we didn’t have it, Europe would be an unremarkable backwater.
@@Seekerofgodandlife I have no delisuions of sunshine and rainbows. Lol. But take a look at the western world. We have become weak and it began many centuries ago. I'd rather live in a brutish world than the one we have right now. At least it'd be an honest existence with clearly defined ways of life. These days, your own people are your worst enemy.
Big respect to people who stand up for their religion without having to force it on everyone else.
I truly don't understand religious violence. If you have the truth why does it matter what others believe? You will have the last laugh. Religion to me also seems like a very personal thing. Unless someone insults your beliefs I don't really get why you have to enforce them on others.
@@Blackdeathgaming-yv1kk Some religions are "universal", being unrestricted by race or culture or nationality. They claim to have the one true reality and morality from the highest authority and their mission is to make everyone just like them.
Islam and Christianity for sure, Judaism isn't real big on converting everyone.
Its just how they are....
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Force? Idiot Goths sacked rome in 410 and adopted to west rome culture to keep their empire secured and running 😂😂 This guy only gave examples of germanics forcing the religion on other germanics because they didnt know any better
Judaism controls by proxy, be it Cuckstianity or Pisslam
I can say as an Estonian that when Estonian pagans were converted into christianity, then most of us went to the sacred rivers and washed it off, but pretended to be christians still
Interesting! Thanks for this info.
@@njordmannen Many played like the fox , but we still remain as the wolf.
@@parabot2 there are stories of danes being baptised several times, them crossing the danevirket to christianed saxon lands to get the free white tunic. 😆 some were caught after a few times tho.
You lived back then or is it something that sources actually say?🤔
@@InAeternumRomaMater i'll see if i can find the source: "Written sources mention a gift that came with baptism - a set of fine white clothes. This tempted many Vikings to be baptised. A monk called Notker attended a baptism ceremony at the Frankish court in the 800s, and described how a Viking was also present. Many people were baptised that day, and when it came to this individual’s turn, there were no more white clothes left. Therefore he was presented with a set of coarser and simpler clothes. When this happened he apparently said: Twenty times I have been bathed and given the best and whitest clothes, but such sackcloth is not fit for a warrior, it suits a swineherd better. And if it was not because I was ashamed of my nakedness, I would give you back both the clothes and your Christ …"
Forcing your religion upon other people has always been a focal point for me. I've been speaking with people from all kinds of religions and all say that my believe is fake and I will end up in hell of some sort. Always judging my believe. I've been raised by Christian parents, but they've let me walk my own path and never forced it upon me. The rest around me did.
Now I have a wife and she's also pagan. Nice to live in the Netherlands and have someone with the same believe.
Ferdinand, je bent niet de enige. In Fryslân there are still a lot of pagans.
@@suupkalvers2244 ja, gelukkig. Ben zelf wel geboren in Overijssel, maar mijn familie komt uit Friesland. Romkes is m'n familie stamboom.
Provincie Utrecht hier! Net een stukje biblebelt zelfs dus ik snap je ontzettend goed hoe het is van een omgeving die hun christelijke hel en verdoemenis prediken wanneer je zegt heiden/pagan te zijn. De Middeleeuwse christen propaganda dat de heidenen een stelletje wilde duivelse barbaren zijn zit er ontzettend diep ingebakken bij de christenen. Maar voorouders komen van origine uit Harlingen, Stamboom gaat terug tot 16e eeuw Friesland. Dus mogelijk voel ik daarom veel meer met het paganisme dan met de invasieve romeinse onderdrukkers.
Gods bless you
grrrrrr why do you still believe in jesus?!?!?!?!?!?!
Always enjoy and appreciate your videos. Thank you for taking the time to make them and for providing the information you do. Skål !!
Here in Sweden churches was built on raised pagan sites and many many churches have smashed up runestones in the foundation (facing outwards) as to show christian dominance.
Their Churchs are falling into ruin, the old ways have returned.
@@parabot2 idk if you can say some little % of people being pagan "Old ways have returned" christianity is still in full swinge in european countries.
@@asgrim1513 oh, they'll be around still. But looking at the people emerging from churches here in town on Sundays, they're all old! Hubby's theory is that they's just going because they're old and wanting to not end up in hell if it exists, so it's a "just in case it's true" attendance 😂
We never see anyone young coming out if these doors.
@@asgrim1513 Christianity as default is gone we are seeing the rise of a non-Christian Europe. Figures show a majority of young adults in 12 countries have no faith, with Czechs the least religious. The survey of 16- to 29-year-olds found the Czech Republic is the least religious country in Europe, with 91% of that age group saying they have no religious affiliation. Between 70% and 80% of young adults in Estonia, Sweden and the Netherlands also categorise themselves as non-religious.
The most religious country is Poland, where 17% of young adults define themselves as non-religious, followed by Lithuania with 25% Christianity as a default, as a norm, is gone, and gone for good.
@@parabot2 you are right about young Europeans moving away from Christianity. I hosted a foreign exchange student from the Czech Republic who refuted Christianity, and my brother's Lithuanian wife is decidedly pagan. It would appear at a glance that most are not embracing paganism, but adopting a more or less secular atheist viewpoint. While I disagree with Christianity, there are some moral principles that I could agree with that seem to be disappearing as modern Europeans become more nihilistic. It would be nice to see a strong resurgence of Europeans returning to paganism, but if that is happening its a movement in its infancy or possibly to remain a niche activity. Time will tell.
Well done! Well said! Time well spent! The US is going through a period of book banning on subjects that do not fit their bubbles!
There are a lot of grooming (adults preying on children) books flooding into schools and those should be banned. Save one copy to be held up for public ridicule for eternity, right beside "M3in K@mpf" and "The Gr3at R3s3t"
I am a Frisian heathen, now living in Bremen. One thing I missed is that Bonefatius was killed near Dokkum, Fryslân, by the Frisians. Suppose that can be seen as karma 😀
I'm a pagan from england👍
Scumbag had it coming..
Bonifatius was a terrorist in his days. Destroying our frisian holy sites and frisian culture. That is why he was " removed" and rightly so. I do not consider that to be murder. In fact Bonifatius was a representative of the Druids from Britain.
Fryslan boppe!
If you're a Frisian heathen, then say "Ørlög" and not Karma.
My brother in law is/was in Bremen. 🙋🏼♀️
Thank you for all your work in compiling and making these videos :D
I often think about all things our ancestors suffered trying to keep our pagan beliefs alive.
The so called Viking age was triggered by the massacre in Verden.
The slaughter of fellow pagans had to get a response.
In the US, in Catholic parochial school we of course NEVER learned about that. Just like they never mentioned the genocide and slavery Spanish Catholics brought to the "New World".
@@StephenGangi Columbus: Mi scusi, Signore, but human sacrifices must stop 🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿
Please keep doing what you do. I consider myself pagan I do not share this with the people around me because of the backlash I simply go on about my business and let them go about theirs.
I'm the same there brother my belief's are my own as are my politics I don't ask others what there beliefs are and quite frankly don't care just leave me in peace as I do with you.
TH-cam this ( What if Christianity was Rome's Woke Movement? ) It explains from a Pagan view how Rome was taken over/Down , much like the Modern West .
That is a very good point. History always repeats itself.
Forced to worship the desert god.
Fr, LOL!
Dannevirke fortifications were built largely to defend Denmark from the Franks. We definitely were supposed to be next after the Saxons and Frisians but had held out for another couple of centuries.
Some hypothesize the viking raids against western Europe, were partially a response to attempts at forced christianization, at least in the beginning.
Likewise they could've started as a shot across the bow, responding to the appearance of christian monks in danish lands.
Kind of makes sense as the danes were definitely aware of what had just happened to the south of Denmark, they knew that the monks were a bad omen, followed by frankish swords and the message could've been: don't you dare come here or else this is what awaits you. We're not going to go down easy.
Harald Bluetooth accepted christianity for practical reasons, but it was kind of pathetic let's be honest.
Today Harald I is basically celebrated more than his father, being buried in Roskilde Cathedral and all...
Very interesting good point
We always celebrate the wrong heroes. Gorm would not be proud 😊
In addition to the Danevirke, there is the fact that Alcuin of York, Charlemagne's head advisor from the Church, was in regular correspondence with Lindisfarne, which is where the famous raid took place in 793. Alcuin played a key role in encouraging Charlemagne to force the Saxons into converting.
Alex, I think Harald is praised so much because he won himself all of Denmark and Norway, and we Danes kinda have a hard-on for Denmark looking big on maps.
I mean... Just look at how we over the span of a couple years made the entirety of the Internet go from "Ha haaa! Denmark small!" to "you forgot Greenland."
i think you are misinterprating the facts here... the viking raids targeted the monasteries because they had no soldiers to defend them , because they were often built on isolated islands (like the one of Lindisfarn) so easy for hit and run from boats , because they had relics and rockery made of silver and gold... the idea that the raids were an anti-crusade of some sort is a romanticised version of history, the raids were about greed !
The anglosaxon kingdoms of the Heptarchy or the heirs of Charlemagne were at each other throats for power and thrones so a geostrategic situation easy to exploit ! And often some of those christian warlords hired viking mercenaries to do their dirty work, here again the reality is far away from a pagan war of religion where pagans and christians would have always been enemies two examples Pepin 2nd had a viking army to help him to claim his kingdom in the 840's, and then the battle of Clontarf 1014 christians and vikings fought as allies in both rival armies.
Always amazed me how Europe succumbed to Christianity while India retained Hinduism despite a thousand years of Islam.
Something similar is happening today with politics now. All the western countries embrace radical far-left agenda while countries on the other side like India remain mostly traditional and ethnically homogenous.
A lot of the Muslim kings looked after the Hindus and Buddhists without enforcing Islam on them. The violent hatred the Hindus had for Muslims started these conflicts.
Maybe 1000 years from now, Europe will be Pagan again.
leaders took up christianity for political reasons. turks invaded india for plunder rather than control
@@j_p_stratorus211 especially most Muslim countries remain conservative Alhamdulillah
THIS reason and the destruction of the Library at Alexandria is why I'm still holding a grudge against those people.....the people not the religion itself.
I agree. The destruction of the library was criminal, so much knowledge lost, because of Christian intolerance.
Organized Christianity (that is, the founding of the Roman Catholic Church c. 325 C.E. & the later Protestant Churches) has been a major political force since its founding, & it has worked to destroy all other cultures & their religions into the present. (Early Christian groups, generally known as the Gnostics, were the first to be destroyed by organized Christianity.)
The very basis of organized Christianity is quite clear in its claims & demands, as it is based on the claim the Christian religion is the only true religion & that their God is the only true god, that all non-Christians must convert & that all non-Christian peoples must convert. This is no different from a school bully demanding that everyone must agree with his claims or else. And the Church became the most powerful institution in Europe by forcing itself on all other peoples. It became such a major power by first converting the masses of the Hellenic world, largely by the church fathers rewriting of scripture with anti-Jewish views that would make it acceptable to the Hellenic culture that was then dominant. In order to appeal to the Hellenic world, it had to disclaim any ties with Judaism, which was very difficult & took a lot of distortion since early Christianity had been founded as a sect of Judaism & since the Judaic elements could not be entirely erased from the scriptures which came to be a major element. But the founders of the Church rewrote much of what came to be part of their Bible, often claiming these scriptures were originated by Christians & not connected with Judaism. It was a major feat, but with the Christian theft of much Judaic thought & the rewriting of scriptures to deny any connection with Judaism & to demonize Judaism & the Jews, the early church was able to achieve great popularity & eventual conversion of most of the Hellenic world.
The church, having become dominant in the Hellenic world, then set out to conquer other parts of Europe. With the Roman empire becoming Christian-dominated, with the Church having won the power to rule via law, the conversion of the Roman-ruled regions of Europe began. Most Christians seem to know little of this history, instead having chosen to believe that conversion to Christianity was voluntary. It was seldom voluntary, in Europe or elsewhere.
Forced conversion of non-Christians was widely practiced throughout pagan Europe & later throughout the Americas. For example, during the 200 yrs or so when Sp. states were gradually seizing rule from the Islamic peoples (who had ruled for centuries & who had allowed both Jews & Christians to practice their own religions), the forced conversion of Sp. Jews began in earnest. Increasingly, from the 14th c through the 15th c, as the Church & Crown took over most of Spain, the Christian populace & clergy rounded up Jewish residents & forced them to undergo forced conversion. Then in 1492, Christian Spain ousted the last of the Islamic states, Grenada, in the same year sent all Sp. Jews into exile (retaining their properties, to be divided between Church & Crown), then beginning the Sp. Inquisition in earnest by targeting the Conversos/Maranos. The Conversos were those of Jewish ancestry who had converted to Christianity & they had long served as the main educated middle class of Spain.
Since with accusation by the Sp. Inq., properties of the accused were seized (personal homes included) & since the great majority of the accused were found guilty by the Inq. tribunals, the Crown & the Church gained massive wealth.
In that same year as the active start of the Sp. Inq. & the forced exile of Sp. Jews (most of whom had lived there for centuries), Columbus was financed to set sail for the Americas. His first voyage was meagerly financed, but his second voyage in 1493 was extravagantly financed. He returned to the Americas with 17 ships, highly equipped with armaments & with ships equipped to return with great numbers of slaves. Natives of the Caribbean were to be the slaves.
The practice of forced conversion was practiced wherever the invaders went in the Americas. A brief statement was read aloud (in Spanish of course) to any new native peoples encountered, a statement which said the person promised loyalty to the Sp. Crown & to the Church. Any Indians who did not immediately agree to submit to Christianity & the Crown were killed.
A massive slave trade in native peoples quickly developed after 1503, with massive numbers of Indians shipped to N. Africa & Spain to be sold on the slave markets. Many others were enslaved to work the plantations & silver mines throughout Mexico & elsewhere, with untold millions dying of starvation & of literally being worked to death. Unlike with the slaves brought from Africa, who had a higher monetary value & who were encouraged (forced) to reproduce, the enslaved Indians received not even minimal food or sleep but were worked till they dropped dead, usually within two years at most. (The popular myths re how Indians were somehow unsuited for slavery & were thus replaced by stronger African slaves is mere myth.)
The Protestant denominations have no better history than the Catholic. Nor were the British & other Eurpopean invaders & colonizers any less cruel than the Spanish.
In what's now the U.S., the various Christian denominations had an active hand in their own forms of forced conversion. (And Indians were enslaved, with the US government merely ignoring it if not actively profiting. Many early founders made private fortunes from seizing Indians to sell on the slave markets, Indians with whom they had peace treaties. This accounted for the genocide of many of the smaller Indian nations east of the Miss.)
The notorious "residential schools " for Indians in the US & Canada were organized & operated by the churches. In the US, various denominations pressured the US gov. to establish such Indian schools, the US gov. having no problems with this particular plan for genocide. Conversion to Christianity meant conversion to the western way of life, death of all aspects of native cultures. But that is what Christianity has demanded since it was first organized into churches: total conversion to the dominant power's way of life.
The hold Christianity has over the majority of people in the US is almost never recognized by Christians. But it is still the dominant religion & the dominant view of life & it permeates every part of life, as is its very nature. After all, claiming to possess the only truth, claiming that all other views are not only false but offensive. (Islam is Christianity's twin, since each makes the same basic claims of being "the only way." If this foundation is recognized, how can anyone deny that this is an overt & pervasive form of bullying?)
For an excellent comparative study of Christianity & Native Am. spirituality, see Vine Deloria's revised edition of "God Is Red", in which he explains not only the vast differences but how Christianity has been used as a method of cultural genocide.
Great Video thank you so much please keep up your mazing work stay safe and have a wonderful and blessed day
The irony in all of that is Charlemagne practiced a very Germanized, warlike version of medieval Christianity--one that was far-removed from the religion preached by the Nazarene known as Jesus Christ. It was highly influenced by paganism. Saint Boniface chose to cut down an oak tree said to have been dedicated to Thor precisely because violence and power were the common language known to these Germanic "barbarians". The Frisians would've laughed their Germanic asses off at a "God" that got captured, flogged, and executed by being nailed to a wooden cross. Please note that I'm not passing judgement on any of these people or historical events. Read the The Germanization of Early Medieval Christianity by James C. Russell.
Germanized? I mean Charlemagne was Germanic (though of course that is not how anyone would have identified back then). You are basically saying that Charlemagne acted like a person of his time, background and position would have acted. No shit
The Anglo Saxon gospel is pretty great
Now talk about how Islam was forced on people.. just so we can point out that monotheist beliefs are equal in blame.
Islam ruled over India for 1000 years yet Hinduism survived and now thrives. How do you explain that?
@@ikbo Explain me.
@@Joonzen because Muslims didn't forcefully convert Hindus. It is explicitly prohibited in their faith.
@@ikbo It´s always funny how muslims write these utopian lies about how wholesome their religion is. Completely tone deaf about the tensions in India over Islam. Or in the Balkans. Or in Israel. Or in the Ottoman Empire. Or what the Caliphate did from 632 AD and afterwards. But yeah, keep lying about how it´s "prohibited" to forcefully convert people. You just kill them if they lose the upper hand.
I certainly have experienced stupidity, hate and threats of violence from Christian keyboard cowards against me many times on line in the last few years and it’s getting worse. I was watching 3 livestreams this week and all the chats were FULL of Christian supremacist bullies. They certainly aren’t making me want to be like them…They’re only making me really hate them! 😡
use quotes from their book against them, i do.
They hate paganism because it brings awareness to their religious Stockholm syndrome, it's very difficult to break the conditioning
@@Metalhead5158 That's my favorite!
I think it's a reaction to the fact that they've peaked, and they're bow losing ground quite rapidly.
And you're a victim, right dude right 😂
Great video. There is also plenty of history regarding christian violence against pagans in southern Europe too. Especially rome and countries with hellenic religion. Torture, executions, vandalization, ect ect.
Yes, let’s just ignore the long history of pagan Romans persecuting Christian’s for centuries lol
@@nicobrady1596 So? Monks coming to rome were violent. Fuck them.
@@Surtur99 what the hell are you talking about lol innocent Christian’s were murdered and killed. If you publicly announced you were a Christian you were executed, either thrown into a pit and torn apart by animals, crucified, or burnt alive. Learn history you ignorant clown.
Not to mention early Christian’s in Rome we’re predominantly slaves, descendants of slaves, and lower-class non Roman immigrants who were already disdained by the Roman elites and despised by the Roman Citizens.
Roman, and pagan culture as a whole had no tradition of caring for the poor, sick, and vulnerable. Which is why many people of these groups were drawn towards Christianity, as they offered community and help to anyone whether they believed in Christ or not.
Early Christian’s were non-violent. Despite being despite being persecuted and murdered by pagans, not a single Christian ever fought back or attacked the pagans who were persecuting them.
@@nicobrady1596 From what i understand, there’s a whole dynamic there where social groups tend to re-perpetrate oppression and trauma on other groups. Similar to how people left to escape European feudalism then turned around and decimated the native Americans/ First Nations (I think that’s what they prefer, but I could be wrong). The church became the state religion of the Empire after Constantine and inherited a lot of bad history from it. Just look at what the Church did to the Cathars, and for so little reason. Disregard blame or competition, it’s just the nature of human ignorance regardless of group identity.
@@darkstream28 the ones that actually faced persecution did not live to enact any sort of revenge, and our scriptures specifically tell us not to, and to “love your enemy.”
Christianity changed after Constantine’s conversion, and in fact adopted many pagans ways and traditions. The Romans usurped Christianity, and used it as a means to assert more control over their people.
I’m in fact writing my dissertation for university specifically on this topic.
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From the Christian perspective it was their duty to save souls and stop ignorant peoples worshipping the devil. This is why they were so forceful, they believed it was gods will and they had to enforce it.
Personally I am on the fence about which spiritual position is the truth, but human sacrifice gives paganism a sour taste….sacrificing in general to appease a deity seems a bit silly.
From what i know in norse paganism, sacrifice (blot) isn't to appease deity. It is an exchange for what you ask to the gods, or to say thank you to tyem for what they have broight to you.
In most of cases the flesh is eaten and only the things like bones etc are given to the gods.
Sometime when it was very important all the animla is given to them.
But it was not to appease, it was to ask.
Not that it makes it cool or anything, but it's important to note celts and most germanics were killing prisoners of war (romans) criminals or animals that had become lame. So basically the ancient death sentence. Except they made the death holy by commemorating it to the creator. Sending the soul back to source intentionally.
I have lived in mostly mountainous rural areas of the American West during my life, filled with fundamentalist Christian fervor. When you resist their desires to convert you, they will flat out tell you, "You are going to Hell!" If only I had a nickel for each...
The sheer horror. Such people are dangerous, mostly to themselves
I had a talk, over a pint or two, at my local the other night. This guy us a Christian and quite active within his church, mainly the music program. Our conversation turn a bit on religion with a young couple sitting next to us. She is a Christian, he isn't. The fella I was Shar conversation with interjected, "That's okay, it's not a competition". Which I think is the right attitude more Christians (or any other Abrahamic faith based religion) , and to be honest, several pagans could use.
Good Video. People interested should really look up the „Capitulatio de partibus Saxoniae“
Thank you . I had some missing pieces and questions. Your lecture put me on a new path and gave me some serious sources to check out .
My brain is no longer stuck or bored .
My God Bless and Keep You for blessing me
I heard that one of the reasons why the Vikings targeted France so much was because of Charlemagne's war on the Saxons. Another often forgotten part of history is that Charlemagne conquered the Avars, although he did so with an alliance with the pagan Bulgarian Krum, who is notorious for turning the head of the Byzantine Emperor into a drinking cup. The Hungarians later were allegedly seen by the Avars as their liberators, they told the Hungarians the way in which Charlemagne conquered them and when the Franks attempted to invade Hungary they knew exactly how to defeat them which became known as the Battle of Pressburg, the battle of Pressburg was actually the climax of 5 consecutive battles, all of which the Hungarians won. The Hungarians relentlessly raided Western Europe, specifically targeting the regions where Charlemagne distributed the war loot taken from the Avars, possibly the motivation was retribution for his war on the Avars. The Viking and Hungarian raids were so relentless that the Karlings were constantly defeated and humiliated, to the point that they lost power and new nobility took their place. So it's good to see that the Karlings in the end paid the price for Charlemagne's deeds and there was retribution.
Bro, the Hungarians were destroyed before they could somehow ruin the life of the Franks
I live In the what they call the Bible belt of the US and I find the more they love Jesus the more evil they are.
Love to my Germanic cousins and pagan community worldwide shout from england
Great video, it does seem that people trying to force their religion on others is increasing doesn't it? Very educational as usual.
With Izz Lam, yes.
The old cults got rebranded as "global warming" and "Branch C0vidian$" complete with the cluster b phony persecution and entitlement complex, and psychopaths demanding total control from everyone including nonbelievers
Thankfully, Paganism is making a comeback all over the world.
Do you believe in magic, odin and friends?
Not really it’s just basement dwelling potheads wanting to piss off their parents
Timely I just did my dna and found out that I am almost entirely German and Scandinavian (Norwegian , Dane and Swedish with 3% Irish . I just tonight was talking to my husband about digging into ancestry honoring and worship and reclaiming our tribal history from before we were forced into conversion.. like literally. Talking just hours ago
Similar test results. Mostly Scandinavian. Rest, Northern Germany. Years ago a doc called it, correctly guessing what i now know. Told me to eat the way my ancestors did and i would feel better. It worked. Also explained a lot of lifelong inclinations.
Ive started making runes and pendants from Elk antlers. My wife has studied runes for years. Extremely interesting. I grew up on several Native American reservations. Their tribal ways and rituals always felt better. I learned how to pray in a sweat lodge. Finally finding a safe and grounded spiritual path. Our ancestors were basically robbed of our heritage. Similar to what Native Americans have gone through just recently. We have alot in common. Constantine started a very genocidal movement. Follow the money, as the man said. Good luck on your journey 👍
Welcome!
Been taking tests since 2000…fathers are Netherlands r1b u106, mf I1, and 20% Native MesoAmerican…just nearly ALL my ancestors fell to the fantasies and violence of the christians.
I had an awakening, and began following the ways of the Old Gods and the traditions of my ancient ancestors about a decade ago. You may discover that our beliefs are still being actively oppressed by powerful and wealthy Christian groups, who like to equate us with a well known political party that rose up in 1930's Germany. They adopted Norse and Germanic folk beliefs, and left us vulnerable to that unflattering comparison. As you may notice, I deliberately omitted certain names...because of the aforementioned oppression.
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Saxon's were also present in modern day Netherlands, while the Frisians were the larger people in the area in the early medieval period. Saxons were present in mainly the eastern part of the modern day Netherlands.
They are still present in the Netherlands, but they have been almost completely absorbed into the Fraconian culture, unlike the Frisians
@@sebe2255 My brother in Christ. Heheh. I am Low Saxon what you write about the integration is partially true. Linguistically yes there is a significant Low Frankish influence but there is a still a strong seperate Low Saxon identity in the Netherlands.
Excellent video. I have Swedish and Norman English on my maternal side and 100% Finnish on my paternal side. I have always been more in sync with natural sources. I have catholic friends who are more accepting of this, they tend to enjoy a healthy debate of pagan history. Keep up the education of people
Exactly the same as in the Slavic environment. After the arrival of Cyril and Methodius in Great Moravia, christianization was still quite "peaceful". But after a few decades, it was discovered that many people still believed in the old gods and practiced pagan rituals, so the current king Břetislav II. destroyed all remaining pagan sanctuaries and made paganism a crime.
That's really cool. I don't know much about that region or it's history. Appreciate it.
This was a great topic. Thought provoking man, I've got so many questions and comments I can't even begin. I feel a lot like Athleston and Ragnar, im stuck trying to figure out what faith is right for me. I borrow things from a few, I feel like omens are legit I pray with my hands out and open. I'm trying to sort it out. The journey brings more questions than answers I guess.
Very nice approach to idiotisms, or what I called it if even a word.
My ex wife was quite religious, I am not. One day I was watching a historic documentary on medieval church practices vs pagan peoples. Until I noticed her also watching, she was crying, and I asked, what is wrong pausing the doco. She said, no don't stop because history is cruel, and my eyes have been opened. I think I now know why you're so against religious institutions. I never knew why, until seeing this, I finally see where you are coming from.
I am not against religion, as people need something to believe, and who am I to tell them they are wrong. I do not need to be religious to do the right thing. Religion for me has ruined a lot of humans.
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I think it should be clarified that a religion isn't nesicarily a "people" with the only exception really being the Hebrews (Jews). These religious feuds in Europe were more akin to Civil Wars between the same people, and they are all our ancestors equally.
Oh man, I'm on Norway and the mountains and the snow is amazing, your country is beautiful.
This makes a lot of sense. We can see this happening day after day. If you don't believe what I want you to believe, then we are enemies. Hard to believe (pardon the pun) that this still happens. Love your video, cheers mate.🧙♂
So well explained! Great video again as always 🍻
"Might makes right."
"NOO NOT LIKE THAT"
the Donar's Oak felled by Bonifacius wasn't in Frisia, it was in an area that is today in Germany (Hessen today, back then Thüringia)
He sure died for that in Frisia though 😉
Could you possibly do more videos on germanic pagan religious beliefs and practices?
It's so funny that I grew up southern Baptist, yet for years I've been kind of a pagan and honestly didn't even realize it. I have never studied any of this really. I've just always listened to the natural world and had my own "church" alone in the woods. Never told anyone. Never talked about it. I just have done it for most of my life. And now all this comes out. There are just no coincidences in any of this.
It was the woke movement of their age.
You're right. I'd also like to add.Much of the brutality of the medieval Catholic church also had to do with trade. One of the popes (cant remember which one or exactly when) made a decree that christians were no longer allowed to do business with pagans at all. So the some of the kings "converted" and then proceeded to "convert" their populations, usually by the sword.
There is NOTHING in the teachings of Jesus Christ that says "killing those who don't share your beliefs is ok". They derived much of their justification for violent actions from the old testament. We don't have time for a biblical history lesson. Its already all been written.
Love your videos. Interesting and informative. Much respect.
Christianity was even forced on the native people (Sami) much, much later.
Myself was forced by the system be Christian, but when I was older I discovered there was a way to leave that religion too. I have never been Christian by soul or heart, so I happily converted to the Pagan believe (that I always been since I was a kid).
I don't mind others having their beliefs as long as they don't try force them on me.
Thanks for a great video.
Swedes, Norwegians, and Danes are the native people of Scandinavia. Sami people came long after our ancestors were here. Getting tired of people denying my right and my people's right to a native country and place in this world.
And I'm not saying what the Christians did to the Sami is right, it's not. The government and the church were really bad for the Sami, as I do my self have some Sami blond and my woman is half Sami. But we really need to stop trying to deny Scandinavian their native homes. Specially in Sweden it seams that people don't even know there history
The fact that Norway has no birth certificate, but issues a baptismal certificate instead, means you don't legally exist till you're baptised into the statskirken which is Lutheran.
It may have changed in later years, with all the new people arriving from other countries having their beliefs, I'm not sure, haven't lived there since 2006
@@galenbjorn443 I mean no group is 100% "native" to thier lands, the indo-europeans moved there at some point in time, and before then there were hunter-gathering groups. Human race history is literally nothing but mirgration and cultural blending.
@@sarahgilbert8036 in Sweden you will be automatic Christian if your parents are that.
@@BattleBrotherZuriel no shit, we are not even from this earth if you think like you do. But my point is that in scandinavia we are tought that we are not native to this land but the sami people are from some reason. Even doug our ansestors have been here since the ice melted, the first people. Scandinavia are the people that are the most related to the native hunter and gatheres in scandinavia. But i guess you dont live in Sweden so you dont know how we are denyed our place every day
The people rarely left their farms. The kings, warriors and nobility usually converted to gain favor with Rome, and then forced the people to convert through various violent and non-violent means. So even if there were no "holy Roman" armies forcing people to convert, the church still got their way somehow.
But the Medieval popes and bishops did maintain armies of their own. There are bishops who were sainted for doing little more than killing non-Christians.
The first part about the Franks is incorrect. The Battle of Tolbiac was not fought by Christian Alemanni. These were two warring pagan tribes, and the cause of the Alemannic raids into Frankish territory was not to convert the Franks to Christianity, but simply to pillage and raid due to geographical proximity. Remember that there was no grand, unified Germanic culture at this time, where everyone who worshipped Odin got along with every other Odin worshipper, and raiding among one another was still common in this late period. Another possible reason for the antagonism was the gradual Romanization of the Franks, who were the first tribe to be officially given permission to settle within the borders of the Roman Empire, adopting Roman customs, manners of dress, currency, and friendly relations with the emperor. As a result, the fiercely pagan Alemanni, who had much more of an anti-Roman stance as a result of being founded by wolf warriors earlier on, and were a notoriously implacable enemy of Rome and Emperor Caracalla in particular previously, might have viewed the Franks as traitors, or at the very least, just another extension of Rome by this point.
The Alemanni remained pagan until well into the seventh century, and weren't almost entirely Christian until the eighth. In fact, when the Alemanni did establish an alliance with the Franks, the Byzantines noted that they were similar, except in one important aspect:
"the Alemanni fighting among the troops of Frankish king Theudebald were like the Franks in all respects except religion, since
they worship certain trees, the waters of rivers, hills and mountain valleys, in whose honour they sacrifice horses, cattle and countless other animals by beheading them, and imagine that they are performing an act of piety thereby.[30]
He also spoke of the particular ruthlessness of the Alemanni in destroying Christian sanctuaries and plundering churches while the genuine Franks were respectful towards those sanctuaries."
Top vids, mate! Good stuff!
In the city of Utrecht, the Netherlands, a monastry was buid on a pagan sight, where later the Dom church would be constructed. That also did not go with out a massive tug of war between the pagan Frisians and Franks. Lasting decades!
Great video! Other Germanic nations- Luxembourg, Liechtenstein, Switzerland, Belgium (Flanders)
Flanders is basically covered by the Franks
Those were already christians. The current territories of those nations were part of the Roman Empire
do you think that a resurgence in paganism would allow the europeans to act in their own interest, i.e., eject the migrants from europe?
I hope so, but we probably won't get there... Europe is dying by the wish of the globalists and I don't see how just a handful of us pagans can really change that...
@@Perceval777
in the current state, perhaps, but when there is general breakdown of society and lack of basic necessities, it could really push things forward.
Many European men became weak and tolerant and i doubt America would allow it.
Also Russia could invade if Europe is in civil wars
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depends on who is in control of america. Trump might allow it. He might even help.
@@tallswede80 i doubt trump is coming back.
Modern europeans are weak and tolerant. I really dont see it happening.
Also muslims countries wont allow it to happen.
We would have civil war, get invaded by muslim countries and maybe get invaded by russia
"Charlemagne" is celebrated as the "Father of Europe" these days. In Aachen, they award the "Charlemagne Prizes" for services to the unification of Europe. In his 46 years as king (from the year 800 as emperor), he waged constant wars against neighboring peoples in order to subjugate them to his rule. This included that these peoples had to accept Christianity. If the peoples resisted, he responded with the worst terror imaginable. I hope that those who want to promote the unification of Europe today do not see "Charlemagne" as their role model.
I always tries to respect Christians. But when I hear these things I just loose my control.
Could be worse. It could be muslims. Then you'll wish for christians to come back
As long as you keep your axe, sword and spear out of peoples reach , you can loose it haha
I love your video so much. They bring so much knowledge and light into my journey through spirituality. Thank you!!!!!
Informative and interesting as always, thank you.
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@@jessevanhalen6967 thank you for the more original name spelling. I might just have to start using it.
We have never met in person and yet I truly feel accurate in calling you one of my brothers. I agree and appreciate your point of view here as I do on so many of your segments.
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@norsemagicandbeliefs Love the video and in depth description, small edit though I might be wrong but I think Estonia or Lithuania was the last European country to convert to christianity as I think they lasted up until the 1400’s in some places of the baltic.
Thank you so much for making this video! I love your channel. Going to sub and patreon however it's spelled! 😆
Ironically, you could just as easily destroy Christian shrines and nothing would happen.
in terms of a bloody conversion, there is also the one of the pagan Jutes of the Isle of wight, who were invaded by the Saxons of Wessex and the local nobility almost wiped out
Thanks for sharing. This history was stolen by the Christian’s. As I listen so many of your videos sound like The SW Native Navaho legends. Their history, the history of my mother’s descendant’s, was subjected to many similar atrocities, first other tribe’s, then Spaniard’s, then more European Christian’s. Stories lost to time. But some remain immortalized through the elder’s and TH-cam. They speak of Holy one’s. The connection with nature. The use of salve’s, ointments, and other medicinal herbs. The use of ceremonies. The parallel’s are striking! I feel grateful to those who share their knowledge. From all parts of the 🌎. We are all children of this Earth.
I've never clicked on one of your videos so fast.
Christianity was very similar to woke/communist rhetoric in that it promised equality to those who were lower status. It would have been readily accepted by those who stood to gain the most from the new religion, particularly the rich and the poor. Also, while the warriors died off fighting Christians, the peasants who would have been converted were left to repopulate with their new beliefs.
When researching the origin ofApril fools day, it appears it was a New Years celebration of older days for pagans who were lured into celebrating only to be made fools as there was no celebration. New Years was now set at the new Gregorian Calendar. I don't have further information, but I was curious about what the calendar looked like before the year 500 as it makes more sense to start a new year around April first after the Old year has "died" for some reason.
Charlemagne killed 5000 Saxon warriors in one day in the name in Christianity thank the Gods they all had sisters and they never forgot
Always a warm an commfy feeling to hear about our ancestor being rounded up and put to the sword. My friend I am sorry to hear your prologe in this, my apologies
Excellent video on a very important issue! We must never forgoet the sacrifice of our ancestors.
At the point of a Sword ( the Saxons )
I've written five sets of lyrics in their voices
Irmasul was destroyed as well
I used to be in a Discord server that had a religious section. It wasn't a religious server, it just happened to have this because it was relevant.
I rarely interacted in that channel because the times where I did, I could just feel how scathingly uncomfortable the Christians got whenever I started talking about my religion and my hobbies they believe is devil whispering. They mostly kept their mouths shut but they'd avoid talking in depth with me and in fact would start conversing with another Christian who happened to be in that channel until I'd finally leave because they're not trying to keep me in the conversation, they're not engaging me, they're clearly ignoring me and pushing me out. Once new comers found out I wasn't Christian, but i was saying a bunch of shit they agreed with, they'd avoid me.
I find it incredibly sad that these people are raised to be so narrow minded and full of fear that they can't engage with anyone, lest they let the Christian devil taint their sheltered and misled minds. I feel sorry for them because their family and community keep them from growing and instead live in fear and hatred.
That being said, I respect the Christians who are willing to listen to me and not fear me at least much as their brethren do. Still, I find the ones who are more polite have a tinge to them that creates space between us - it's tolerable, though.
My brother recently went Christian and he tried to persuade both my mom and me to convert until eventually he relaxed and made it more personal to himself. Which is where it should stay. Just because your religion helped you, doesn't mean it's a one size fits all application. Keep your views to yourself unless the other person asks. Don't persuade anybody unless they want to hear what you have to say. I don't understand this need to convert or persuade anyone. It makes me suspicious that this is even common in their branches.
"It's not the religion that's the problem, the problem is trying to force your beliefs on others", which to my mind is exactly the difference between Pagans and Christians - Orthodoxy, which is an emphasis on what you believe, vs Orthopraxy, which places importance on what a person *does* , on one's actions and *deeds* . I don't care about what people believe, I judge them by what they *do* .
When the religion says believers can exploit and murder nonbelievers and do unthinkable things to children, then yes the religion itself is the problem
It saddens me to see Euro People's, behave with Afro-Asiatic, Semetic Middle-Eastern and Arabic traits & thoughts, because of Religion, while condemning our existence.
Hehe, "this creature passing for a human being"... that whole piece was great. Enjoy the channel learning about my ancestors beliefs and practices
This is my favorite video so far. You should put all the very good videos on dvd and market it. Skál bröder.
I was calmly talkin to the person who you're referring to but when I look back on the previous video my comments are gone. As mainly an Irish Pagan myself I also cannot deny my Germanic & Cherokee heritage as well as Christianity so I except all. Be open-minded everyone shouldn't limit theirselves to one thing because you'll turn out to be a better person if you understand other countries and cultures 🥃 Sláinte or ⚔️ Bás 🇮🇪
I'm a Englishman and a pagan it's weird my dad's side of the family name comes from Ireland and I have a Scottish grandad from my mum's father I no I have English Germanic Scottish Irish Norwegian ancestry it's weird but I love respect my ancestors roots culture from the past and present now
I'm American, so I vehemently believe in individual rights. As long as a person is never harming other people or infringing on other's rights. I served in the US Army as an MP and served in war over in Afghanistan & Iraq. I personally witnessed the persecution of minorities, including Christians, kurds, Yezids, & others. Some were treated very barbaric. Looking back, I went there with a feminist idea of female liberation. I can't even explain just how ridiculous I felt when we were not, in any means there to liberate girls & women. It completely shattered me. Europe did force millions of people to convert to Christianity. The great Spanish inquisition is a great example. The torturing of people took place daily, some for the shear pleasure of elite rulers. So yes, millions of Christians were forced to join the Catholic Church. Then we had Martin Luther, Whyclift, & Knox, who brought about the protestant revolution, which in turn led to more mass education & enlightenment. So I fully believe that a person has the absolute right to choose whichever spiritual beliefs that they choose.
Great information about HOW,
I want to know WHY?
They fear free people and wanted to subjugate us.
Power, wealth, control. Same as always.
Word of the leaders = word of God, there for, you cannot question them. We see a lot of the same behaviour today: shaming language.
"Do you not believe?"
Look to what the Charlemagne Prize is awarded for and to whom.
@@0KT0BER nwo tactics type stuff.
to establish a worldwide abrahamic slave system that permeates your mind, finances, history, education, medication etc. it will crescendo when they name the meshiac and build their third temple, then we all get to experience noahide laws that yes quite a few of our countries have signed onto behind our backs. go look.
I do dread meeting Christians when they find out I am of the Baha’i’ Faith….a pagan by their standards. The Number One Principle of Baha’i’ is Independent Investigation of Truth. It is YOUR decision on what path to follow.
The Christian Cross is Sword ( look at it ) if they did not covert you with the book they used the Sword . Despite the long-held notion that the early Christians were meek and mild, going to their martyr's deaths singing hymns of love and praise . Far from being meek and mild, they were violent, ruthless and fundamentally intolerant.
Kings and emperors who wanted more power & dominance are not reflective of Christian’s or Christianity as a whole. The early Christian’s faced centuries of persecution at the hands of pagans, and did go to their deaths willingly. To announce you are a Christian publicly in the first, second, and third century would almost certainly = death.
When the Romans arrested someone who was suspected of being a Christian, they would ask them three times to renounce their faith and worship the emperor as a god. If after the third time they still refused, they were executed.
scratch the surface today and you'll find these shabbas goys (christians) havent changed
@@nicobrady1596 Unlike the polytheistic world, in which the addition of one new religion made no fundamental difference to the old ones, this new ideology stated not only that it was the way, the truth and the light but that, by extension, every single other way was wrong and had to be destroyed. From the 1st century to the 6th, those who didn't fall into step with its beliefs were pursued in every possible way: social, legal, financial and physical. Our altars were upturned and temples demolished, our statues hacked to pieces and priests killed. It was an annihilation. Also the Christian religion is Alien by definition to Europe and the European spiritual ways , thus Europeans fought back against this Alien religion.
@@sweetjesus697 Yep 100% , Also your comment got shadowbanned. Small hat Tribe don't like Truth .
@@nicobrady1596 Obviously, the pagans had a very good reason to persecute Christianity. They were right. You shouldn't tolerate people who would never tolerate you when they get all the power, people who literally think you are a devil-worshiper or infidel.
Thanks for the vid bro! Greetings from Frisia😃
It was cultural genocide
At best. Many people were killed too
As a Christian myself, I despise the Christians of the past whose hearts were corrupted by power and greed and so used government and armies to advance the word of God at the point of a sword. That's not what I was taught, I was taught through my readings that God gives us the free will to follow him or not. Just as Love can not be forced neither can Faith.
If thou arn't with Jesus but against him. He doesn't comest to bring frith in the earth but sword eke fire.
Now I finally understand why the Norwegian Black Metal kids go around burning down Christian churches. I don't agree with it but I understand it now.
St. Columba and St Patrick as two more examples of "peaceful" conversion practices.
About the German regions, the Franks did similar to the Allemanic Swabians who had remained heathens in the south west, as they did to the Saxons, just in a bit smaller scale, the “blood trial of Cannstatt” comes to mind, basically all Allemanic nobles were invited to a feast….and then utterly slaughtered, but not only the nobles, but every Swabian or Allemanic person the Franks could find, then giving their titles to Frankish nobles.
The christians (of the past) weren't much different from the ISIS fighters we see today. I don't blame today's christians of course...it's not their fault. But when I see a christian talking disrespectfully about our gods, pagans or paganism in general, I like to rub the church's bloody history in his/her face. That always works!
I'm a Frisian and I find the history of my ancestors very fascinating. Donar's oak wasn't on Frisian territory, but the Frisians must've known about its destruction. Boniface was executed by the Frisians because he violated the laws of Frisia, as codified in the Lex Frisionum 8th century. Destroying a pagan shrine or temple was sanctioned with death. The punishment: The offender's ears were cleft, he was castrated, drowned on the beach and sacrificed to the god whose temple he dishonored. I think Boniface was excecuted with an axe or a sword, so he got off lightly... 😮 Kind regards from Fryslân/Frisia!
I can make the same argument about the pagans. These Norse pagans you larpers idealize were plundering and slaughtering Christian’s in England
King Bluetooth was still braver than any leader or politician we have now days
They tried to force baptize me when I was 9, "to get the devil out of you boy" because I was drawing runes that my grandfather taught me.
The greatness of Christianity did not lie in attempted negotiations for compromise with any similar philosophical opinions in the ancient world, but in its inexorable fanaticism in preaching and fighting for its own doctrine.
-A.H
My blood boils when I hear of this topic as someone of Gothic descendance
Yeah the fall of spain is very infuriating
Anytime someone says Visigoth Lineage and people like to chuckle these days. But there's several instances in recent past where such things held a lot of weight. I like this one best-
"in 1438 two bishops one from Sweden thr other from Gothic lineage argued who should have more influence in church matters. The swede said them, because they were the homeland of all the Christian germanic people.
But the Gothic descended man, slapped them down.
The Spanish and Swedish claims of Gothic origins led to a clash at the Council of Basel in 1434. Before the assembled cardinals and delegations could engage in theological discussion, they had to decide how to sit during the proceedings. The delegations from the more prominent nations argued that they should sit closest to the Pope, and there were also disputes over who were to have the finest chairs and who were to have their chairs on mats. In some cases, they compromised so that some would have half a chair leg on the rim of a mat. In this conflict, Nicolaus Ragvaldi, bishop of the Diocese of Växjö, claimed that the Swedes were the descendants of the great Goths, and that the people of Västergötland (Westrogothia in Latin) were the Visigoths and the people of Östergötland (Ostrogothia in Latin) were the Ostrogoths. The Spanish delegation retorted that it was only the "lazy" and "unenterprising" Goths who had remained in Sweden, whereas the "heroic" Goths had left Sweden, invaded the Roman empire and settled in Spain"
Me too! 😡
Same feeling too.
The Goths disappeared in history a long time ago, blending into the broader Spanish population. How in the world do you know you're descended from Goths? People living in Sweden or England where Beowulf was composed are more likely to be able to accurately make this claim, given that the Geats were a subgroup of Goths. So if you're Spanish and not from Gotaland in Sweden or East Anglia in England, you're probably of Iberian/North African/Arabic/Roman descent.
Here in Sweden it was mainly done by force, even more, they built Christian churches on all sacred pagan sites in whole of Sweden, everyone can visit and see it for them selfs. A show of dominance. The island ”Öland ” here in Sweden still had pagans up to the 13th century.
I was just talking about this with a Catholic family member, it's basically how all wars started
Great job on this brother!
We STILL don't accept it! Hail Forseti !
And Odin ,thor,Freyr
It is a heresy to see the gods as distinct and separate deities. There are many gods but they are one face of the same one. Odin is the supreme god who embodies them all, the vector of the gods. We don't say hail Forseti, we say "Hail the Gods" as the sources say
@@CharlesWorthington-pt2vu If I choose to focus on any one particular god over another at any particular time then I will do so without the interference or correction by anyone and am willing to holmgang anyone who seeks to do so!
Christians *literally* have it written into the Bible to "go and *make* disciples of *all* nations"; and they *know* that they can't do it via persuasion because their arguments are so *weak* that even an ordinary person like *me* can defeat them really *easily* . So of *course* they do it by the sword, and that's something that's *never* changed over its history; in *fact* , I honestly believe the modern west being founded on Christianitys and the *other* Abrahamic religions' doctrines is exactly *what* allowed for wokeism to become a thing in the *first* place, since I've actually noticed an *alarming* number of similarities between the two; that's why I honestly think we need to abolish *both* and start over.
I can't speak for anyone else, but i never felt "christian". None of my family were overly religious anyway. Weddings and funerals mostly. And no one knew what they were. My mom was Anglican/Episcopal. My dad wasn't sure if he was lutheran or methodist. Lol. I ALWAYS held animistic feelings. For as long as i can recall. I officially became "Pagan" at 16. I am 49 now. So it's been a minute, lol. When i was 9 my mother gave me a children's bible. The graphic novel kind. I read it. But i recall not seeing myself in any of the characters until the Romans showed up. They were the closest thing to "me" in that book. I feel like we have been stuck in the midst of a 1,500+ yr old case of Stockhom Syndrome. I truly wish all of us broke free from it. Imagine who we'd be if we'd never had Christianity. It would be beautiful.
I'm a pagan as well but to try and act like we wouldn't live in a violent Brutish world. Everything would be beautiful and sunshine and rainbows is laughable
You’d all be in hell if your ancestors never converted to Christianity. Europe has embraced Christianity for centuries now and it has helped it innovate, develop and explore the world. If we didn’t have it, Europe would be an unremarkable backwater.
@@Seekerofgodandlife I have no delisuions of sunshine and rainbows. Lol. But take a look at the western world. We have become weak and it began many centuries ago. I'd rather live in a brutish world than the one we have right now. At least it'd be an honest existence with clearly defined ways of life. These days, your own people are your worst enemy.
@@frekitheravenous516 Christianity isn't what made us weak. It was the abandonment of traditional values which many ancient cultures value.