i just lost my brother recently and have been looking at philosophy for some way to deal with my pain.I thank you for posting these videos for free. The stoics philosophy and Epicurus has helped me deal with the pain.I'm an atheist so a lot of what they say resonate with me.Thanks again i really appreciate it.
You're welcome -- and I'm sorry to hear about your loss. I can certainly see myself how Stoicism in particular would be helpful for dealing with that pain
Yea its very tough to accept,and i believe it might take a long awhile to recover,but i thank you again for posting these videos and also for taking the time to respond to me.Continue the great work.
I've found that when it comes to losses like that, the really hard time is 6 months to a year afterwards. The sympathy -- which one never really knows what to do with at the time -- is gone by then, but the pain is still there and descends a bit more deeply.
thanks for the kind words,all I've been doing is trying to spend as much time as i can with my family.After losing my brother it has put lots into perspective for me.I don't want to waste anymore time on trivial nonsense. I hope you get more recognition for posting this free information. The world is changing fast and it seems like you no longer need to spend lots of money getting a higher education.It's people like you that make this world a better place.I wish more people would take the time to give away free knowledge like yourself.
Good on you man. Acceptance of these things is one thing, but to seek a naturalistic (rather than supernaturalistic) philosophy to help you through the grieving process is really courageous. Kudos.
I really enjoy your mode of delivery. You remind me of one of my philosophy tutors from my university. Really accessible and down-to-earth breakdown of Epicurean ideas. Thanks a bunch.
Gregory B. Sadler Quick question. If I wanted a book which accurately covers the works of Epicurus, and provides reliable accounts from historians of the time who refer to Epicurus and his teachings, are there any recommendations you would make?
Well, nothing comes to mind offhand. Steven Long is a particularly good and now-classic commentator on Hellenistic philosophy, so I'd check out his works. A good bit of what we do know about Epicurus comes through Diogenes Laertes, including the entire texts of the Principal Doctrines and the three Letters Diognenes preserved
It depends very much, I think, on where one is living -- there's often library book clubs, gatherings of different sorts at local college, sometimes events at local book stores. . . something worth doing a video about, I suspect. The internet does open up all sorts of possibilities as well
I love this philosophy of friendship :) It is very rare...to have that true of a friend...or one that strives to be Your friends can help you improve yourself while still completely accepting and valuing all of you, including the flaws Wish I had discovered philosophy earlier in life
Nice to see a lecture on Epicurus, I've been reading a lot of his works recently. His thoughts make a lot of sense to me, perhaps more so than Stoicism, even though I like some of those ideas too. The Epicurean approach just seem easier to implement, for me. I've thought along some of these lines for some time. I've always valued friendship very highly and never been that interested in material things, fancy clothes or needed brand new things. I suspect some people fit well with some philosophers because their nature or own conclusions were already similar. I think the move by some people to reject consumerism and live more simply is in the vein of Epicurus.
Yes, I'd say that the Epicurean path is one way one might move out of or away from consumerism, which is kind of a "default" stance for our late modern liberal democracies
I really enjoyed this lecture on Epicurus. I only know about Epicurus from Bernard Russell book on western philosophy so this video was a lot help as it further elaborated more on the works of Epicurus. It seems like Epicurus was trying to live a life similar to that off a hermit but accompanied by only friends that he related to. Avoiding conflict , not to be involved in politics , avoiding luxury's etc. Again thanks for the lecture on one of the more underrated thinkers in western philosophy.
So, from my understudying, Epicurus was not just looking for pleasures such as partying, sex, food, etc, but rather, the absence of suffering. The absence of suffering or discontent would mean you are happy (pleasure). So in a sense, his idea of being happy is not a doctrine but rather an idea for each individual? Find what gives you more happiness and less suffering?
I suppose one could extrapolate that a person ought to determine what applies to their individual case. But he certainly does think that we human beings have a lot in common, that there are general rules that can be derived and then given -- that's precisely what he does in the texts we still ahve of him
I've been watching your channel for a few years now and have greatly benefited from your explanations. In the process of going through these "Introduction to Philosophy" sessions I have been attempting to follow along with the relevant source material in order to get the most from your lectures. I was wondering if you had the actual name of the relevant material for this lecture, and/or where i might be able to access it, so that I might be able to continue on through. Any help in this regard would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again.
All we have of Epicurus are three letters and two summaries of doctrine - very easy to find online with a quick search. I'm glad to read that you're working through the actual texts - all too often people watch the videos and don't go on to actually do that!
Accept someone being rude and disrespectful to me (interrupt when I am talking) and consider them my friend? Never! If that is what Epicurus meant, he had contempt for himself and for others. Is it more likely that a friendship will exist when people are disrespectful to each other OR when they are not?
Yes before I asked you I thought to visit the local college and ask around there...a video with ideas would be great as many of us were never in a position to explore the academic life, at least not when we had the interest :) i recently found another person/group but it is much too far away to pursue but 1x a year...that's not enough...thanks again for sharing your part
None come to mind. but I'm not much of a secondary source/textbook kind of reader. The primary sources, when it comes to Hedonism, are easy enough to find
Your a good professor, wished the students in your class were more involved. I am here behind the screen wanting to answer the questions you asked. lol
Well, actually you're wrong about the first. Epicurus has no problem seeing sex as something pleasant. He just thinks that it's a pleasure that tends to bring all sorts of other troubles and pains in it's wake. We discussed that briefly about 2/3 into the class. Being loved, you're right - he doesn't talk about that as a pleasure, in the few works by him we possess. Doesn't mean we can say that definitively rule that out, though. But, that's not really where the emphasis lies for the ancients
Maybe not "being loved", but they certainly seemed to love. They even created distinctions intimating a variety of different kinds of love (Eros, Agape, Philautia, Ludus, Philia, etc..)
Any advice as how to become involved with local-ish educational gatherings/lectures w such people? Or any beneficial advice for the curious mind that wants to delve and see where it goes. In this free learning, thank goodness for youtube and the internet
which texts would you suggest to read in order to understand the core of Epicurean philosophy? Also sometimes people attribute Epicurean philosophy as a reaction to a plentiful Roman society but Epicurus was in Greece, ~100 years prior to the fall of Greek civilization to the Romans. Do you have any insights as to why this misrepresentation of Epicurians exist? Thanks!
I feel closest to epicureanism due to the materialistic and secular nature of it. However, I find that stoicism is better suited for adversity than epicureanism in certain aspects.
does Epicurus think that eliminating unnatural/unnecessary desires makes necessary desires more pleasant? It makes a lot of sense to me, but I'm not sure if it's just my interpretation (or I heard it somewhere and don't remember)
Well. . . he doesn't say that as such. You might say that eliminating some pleasures does "make room", so to speak, for attending to others, actually experiencing them fully
😂 I have to say, I was watching on CC while muted and I didn't realize the name is Play Dough...this whole time I was saying Plato. Well, I know better now.
This is a very good lecture. Funny thing is though, the students are kind of sleeping... haha or maybe shy. I guess this was either 1st period, or 4th period. LOL the students were hardly awake.
Thanks for the video. What's going on with the students, they have no emotions or interest? Cmon if they are boring at least they should try to interact with the teacher. Every single anwser u asked get almost no response : / Im sorry about my english : P
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i just lost my brother recently and have been looking at philosophy for some way to deal with my pain.I thank you for posting these videos for free. The stoics philosophy and Epicurus has helped me deal with the pain.I'm an atheist so a lot of what they say resonate with me.Thanks again i really appreciate it.
You're welcome -- and I'm sorry to hear about your loss. I can certainly see myself how Stoicism in particular would be helpful for dealing with that pain
Yea its very tough to accept,and i believe it might take a long awhile to recover,but i thank you again for posting these videos and also for taking the time to respond to me.Continue the great work.
I've found that when it comes to losses like that, the really hard time is 6 months to a year afterwards. The sympathy -- which one never really knows what to do with at the time -- is gone by then, but the pain is still there and descends a bit more deeply.
thanks for the kind words,all I've been doing is trying to spend as much time as i can with my family.After losing my brother it has put lots into perspective for me.I don't want to waste anymore time on trivial nonsense.
I hope you get more recognition for posting this free information. The world is changing fast and it seems like you no longer need to spend lots of money getting a higher education.It's people like you that make this world a better place.I wish more people would take the time to give away free knowledge like yourself.
Good on you man. Acceptance of these things is one thing, but to seek a naturalistic (rather than supernaturalistic) philosophy to help you through the grieving process is really courageous. Kudos.
Thanks. Glad you enjoyed it
My study of Stoicism led me here. Thanks for the lecture, Professor Sadler.
You're welcome. Yes, you could say that it was like a deliberate retreat into a refuge accompanied by friends/
I really enjoy your mode of delivery. You remind me of one of my philosophy tutors from my university. Really accessible and down-to-earth breakdown of Epicurean ideas. Thanks a bunch.
You're welcome!
Gregory B. Sadler Quick question. If I wanted a book which accurately covers the works of Epicurus, and provides reliable accounts from historians of the time who refer to Epicurus and his teachings, are there any recommendations you would make?
Well, nothing comes to mind offhand. Steven Long is a particularly good and now-classic commentator on Hellenistic philosophy, so I'd check out his works.
A good bit of what we do know about Epicurus comes through Diogenes Laertes, including the entire texts of the Principal Doctrines and the three Letters Diognenes preserved
It depends very much, I think, on where one is living -- there's often library book clubs, gatherings of different sorts at local college, sometimes events at local book stores. . . something worth doing a video about, I suspect.
The internet does open up all sorts of possibilities as well
I love this philosophy of friendship :)
It is very rare...to have that true of a friend...or one that strives to be
Your friends can help you improve yourself while still completely accepting and valuing all of you, including the flaws
Wish I had discovered philosophy earlier in life
Yes, Epicurus doesn't seem to think that this kind of friendship is all that common
Nice to see a lecture on Epicurus, I've been reading a lot of his works recently. His thoughts make a lot of sense to me, perhaps more so than Stoicism, even though I like some of those ideas too. The Epicurean approach just seem easier to implement, for me.
I've thought along some of these lines for some time. I've always valued friendship very highly and never been that interested in material things, fancy clothes or needed brand new things. I suspect some people fit well with some philosophers because their nature or own conclusions were already similar. I think the move by some people to reject consumerism and live more simply is in the vein of Epicurus.
Yes, I'd say that the Epicurean path is one way one might move out of or away from consumerism, which is kind of a "default" stance for our late modern liberal democracies
I really enjoyed this lecture on Epicurus. I only know about Epicurus from Bernard Russell book on western philosophy so this video was a lot help as it further elaborated more on the works of Epicurus.
It seems like Epicurus was trying to live a life similar to that off a hermit but accompanied by only friends that he related to.
Avoiding conflict , not to be involved in politics , avoiding luxury's etc.
Again thanks for the lecture on one of the more underrated thinkers in western philosophy.
new video from the class on Love, Friendship, and Desire
So, from my understudying, Epicurus was not just looking for pleasures such as partying, sex, food, etc, but rather, the absence of suffering. The absence of suffering or discontent would mean you are happy (pleasure). So in a sense, his idea of being happy is not a doctrine but rather an idea for each individual? Find what gives you more happiness and less suffering?
I suppose one could extrapolate that a person ought to determine what applies to their individual case. But he certainly does think that we human beings have a lot in common, that there are general rules that can be derived and then given -- that's precisely what he does in the texts we still ahve of him
I've been watching your channel for a few years now and have greatly benefited from your explanations. In the process of going through these "Introduction to Philosophy" sessions I have been attempting to follow along with the relevant source material in order to get the most from your lectures. I was wondering if you had the actual name of the relevant material for this lecture, and/or where i might be able to access it, so that I might be able to continue on through. Any help in this regard would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again.
All we have of Epicurus are three letters and two summaries of doctrine - very easy to find online with a quick search.
I'm glad to read that you're working through the actual texts - all too often people watch the videos and don't go on to actually do that!
Alright, I will check these out. Thank you for your response
Accept someone being rude and disrespectful to me (interrupt when I am talking) and consider them my friend? Never!
If that is what Epicurus meant, he had contempt for himself and for others. Is it more likely that a friendship will exist when people are disrespectful to each other OR when they are not?
You probably need to give this a read and some more thought - knee jerk reactions don't serve you well
Yes before I asked you I thought to visit the local college and ask around there...a video with ideas would be great as many of us were never in a position to explore the academic life, at least not when we had the interest :) i recently found another person/group but it is much too far away to pursue but 1x a year...that's not enough...thanks again for sharing your part
Hey, i really enjoy your videos. Do you have any books concerning hedonism you could recommend?
None come to mind. but I'm not much of a secondary source/textbook kind of reader. The primary sources, when it comes to Hedonism, are easy enough to find
Yes. . . these are first semester college freshmen. They're not learning much moral theory in K-12
Great class.
Your a good professor, wished the students in your class were more involved. I am here behind the screen wanting to answer the questions you asked. lol
Well, you work with the students you get. Glad you enjoy the videos!
Well, actually you're wrong about the first. Epicurus has no problem seeing sex as something pleasant. He just thinks that it's a pleasure that tends to bring all sorts of other troubles and pains in it's wake. We discussed that briefly about 2/3 into the class.
Being loved, you're right - he doesn't talk about that as a pleasure, in the few works by him we possess. Doesn't mean we can say that definitively rule that out, though. But, that's not really where the emphasis lies for the ancients
Maybe not "being loved", but they certainly seemed to love. They even created distinctions intimating a variety of different kinds of love (Eros, Agape, Philautia, Ludus, Philia, etc..)
Any advice as how to become involved with local-ish educational gatherings/lectures w such people? Or any beneficial advice for the curious mind that wants to delve and see where it goes. In this free learning, thank goodness for youtube and the internet
which texts would you suggest to read in order to understand the core of Epicurean philosophy? Also sometimes people attribute Epicurean philosophy as a reaction to a plentiful Roman society but Epicurus was in Greece, ~100 years prior to the fall of Greek civilization to the Romans. Do you have any insights as to why this misrepresentation of Epicurians exist? Thanks!
I think there's a lot of people who do sloppy history of ideas out there. No big mystery about that, in my view
Yep, and likely not the average high school student
A question for the viewer. Which school of philosophy do you feel closest to: epicureanism, stoicism, or cynicism?
I feel closest to epicureanism due to the materialistic and secular nature of it. However, I find that stoicism is better suited for adversity than epicureanism in certain aspects.
@@astro_monist2559 I was gonna leave a response, but you said it perfectly.
does Epicurus think that eliminating unnatural/unnecessary desires makes necessary desires more pleasant? It makes a lot of sense to me, but I'm not sure if it's just my interpretation (or I heard it somewhere and don't remember)
Well. . . he doesn't say that as such. You might say that eliminating some pleasures does "make room", so to speak, for attending to others, actually experiencing them fully
😂 I have to say, I was watching on CC while muted and I didn't realize the name is Play Dough...this whole time I was saying Plato. Well, I know better now.
Gotta work on the jokes. You want them to be funny
This is a very good lecture. Funny thing is though, the students are kind of sleeping... haha or maybe shy. I guess this was either 1st period, or 4th period. LOL the students were hardly awake.
+Bryan “Ironman” Stark Yes, today's college students are often passive. This was in fact an 8 AM class
Diogenes didn't like epicureanism?
Why the bold?
@@GregoryBSadler Sorry, it's a habit. It tends to attract more attention.
@@bendadestroyer Negative attention as an attention-seeker here
@@GregoryBSadler Fair enough, your lecture, your rules. The bold has since been removed.
@@bendadestroyer Now, which Diogenes?
Thanks for the video. What's going on with the students, they have no emotions or interest? Cmon if they are boring at least they should try to interact with the teacher. Every single anwser u asked get almost no response : /
Im sorry about my english : P
Sometimes a class is like that
Why so many people confuse Hedonism with instant and meaningless pleasure?
Because the word "hedonism" has multiple senses
No one in the class knew what hedonism is.
I'm 16
Most virtuous class ever, sex and being loved didn't make it to pleasures.