Excellent lecture. Great clarification. Kudos. The comment about the aged relative saying "Everybody else has gone" is interesting. Heard the same thing from my deep South relatives that lived with my family. I think one defines oneself almost mythically by one's early family/environment." The loss of all these people ruptures one's points of reference and can leave a person in a deep sense of insecure loneliness. Their capacity for happiness at that elderly state seems dependent on their having a bank of good memories and being able to relish those memories. I am nearly 70 and feel some of this generational isolation beginning. I hope to counter it by enriching my life with new relationships, but something tells me one cannot entirely dodge it. So I practice relishing my good memories as well.
Hello, Professor. I've just found your channel and enjoyed it so much. I study philosophy for passion, I mean don't study academically. I'm a graduate in literature. Literature is all I can say about my degree because here in Brazil I teach Portuguese literature. I speak English a bit . So, I like Spinoza, Epicuro, stoicism and, of course, the history of philosophy. I wish I could participate in a live show from you. Congratulations for your knowledge.
I’m glad you like the channel. We do have a lot of live events each month, which I post about in social media and talk about in the monthly update video
The revivalist who is referenced that lives in Chicago is named Hiram Crespo. He has written a book Tending the Epicurean Garden (Humanist Press, 2014), which is excellent and highly recommended. Dr. Sadler also has an excellent review of that book on his channel.
I think he said "I'm Stoic in the morning when I write, Skeptic in the afternoon when I teach, and Epicurean when I am home and I try to relax" or something like that 😅
Pleased that you mentioned Jeremy Bentham - I assumed links to Epicurus- I was an undergraduate at University College London and frequently met Bentham.
@@adrianthomas1473 Yes, I think just about every intro to philosophy textbook mentions the autoicon, and profs like to bring it up. That and the panopticon idea
Wouldn’t a masochist that pursues physical pain be more problematic than one who pursues what others perceive as mental pain? Physical pain is objective while you could argue that if somebody enjoys something like humiliation, it isn’t pain to them. So, a mental masochist is still pursuing pure pleasure. However, I guess that assumes that the Epicureans saw mental pain as a partially subjective phenomenon. Maybe they saw it as universal.
Isaac Peachey Epicurus is completely aware that people don’t always get what they seek. If they did, what would be the purpose of philosophy? If you read his letter to Herodotus or Menoeceus, you’ll learn that people suffer pain because of their false beliefs. Everyone still seeks pleasure. Much in the same way that Plato thinks everyone seeks virtue. Just because someone doesn’t secure virtues for themselves isn’t in conflict with Plato. Some vicious people are even ostensibly satisfied with their character... they are still missing out on the real good.
Mental and physical pain are both subjective. There can be objective correlates, but the feeling is subjective by its nature. You'll likely want to read the available Epicurean texts, if the goal is to think this out along their lines
Excellent lecture. Great clarification. Kudos.
The comment about the aged relative saying "Everybody else has gone" is interesting. Heard the same thing from my deep South relatives that lived with my family. I think one defines oneself almost mythically by one's early family/environment." The loss of all these people ruptures one's points of reference and can leave a person in a deep sense of insecure loneliness. Their capacity for happiness at that elderly state seems dependent on their having a bank of good memories and being able to relish those memories. I am nearly 70 and feel some of this generational isolation beginning. I hope to counter it by enriching my life with new relationships, but something tells me one cannot entirely dodge it. So I practice relishing my good memories as well.
Dr. Sadler. You’re doing the world a huge service. Thanks
You're welcome!
Good stuff bro, I'm glad you posted this.
Thanks
I enjoyed this lecture, good overview of Epicurus and a lively discussion with lots of questions from the audience.
Glad you enjoyed it
Hello, Professor. I've just found your channel and enjoyed it so much. I study philosophy for passion, I mean don't study academically. I'm a graduate in literature. Literature is all I can say about my degree because here in Brazil I teach Portuguese literature. I speak English a bit . So, I like Spinoza, Epicuro, stoicism and, of course, the history of philosophy.
I wish I could participate in a live show from you.
Congratulations for your knowledge.
I’m glad you like the channel. We do have a lot of live events each month, which I post about in social media and talk about in the monthly update video
The revivalist who is referenced that lives in Chicago is named Hiram Crespo. He has written a book Tending the Epicurean Garden (Humanist Press, 2014), which is excellent and highly recommended. Dr. Sadler also has an excellent review of that book on his channel.
Here it is - th-cam.com/video/PM4cNSC4d04/w-d-xo.html
@@GregoryBSadler Thank you professor. We are benefitting greatly from your lectures in our little 'Garden of Epicurus' study group on Facebook.
@@youngepicurean8282 That's awesome to read!
I think he said "I'm Stoic in the morning when I write, Skeptic in the afternoon when I teach, and Epicurean when I am home and I try to relax" or something like that 😅
I always catch up on your content on Epicurus♥️
Well that will keep you busy for a bit!
Love the video. I need more on his polytheism.
Epicureans thought the gods were irrelevant, so if that's the feature you're interested in, you're going to be disappointed
Thank you for this its great!
You're welcome!
Thank you for uploading this video, very interesting.
Glad you found it interesting
Love this series what’s the name of the song in the intro?
Antonin Dvorak, Czech Suite, Op. 39 - I. Praeludium,
Getting a strong sense that it was mostly a Catholic audience. Great lecture with great discussions (plus audio quality).
Glad you enjoyed it
Pleased that you mentioned Jeremy Bentham - I assumed links to Epicurus- I was an undergraduate at University College London and frequently met Bentham.
You mean you walked past the auto-icon?
@@GregoryBSadler yes - indeed. He was sitting in a case in the cloisters!
@@adrianthomas1473 Yes, I think just about every intro to philosophy textbook mentions the autoicon, and profs like to bring it up. That and the panopticon idea
I appreciate this so much, muchas gracias
You're welcome!
Wouldn’t a masochist that pursues physical pain be more problematic than one who pursues what others perceive as mental pain? Physical pain is objective while you could argue that if somebody enjoys something like humiliation, it isn’t pain to them. So, a mental masochist is still pursuing pure pleasure.
However, I guess that assumes that the Epicureans saw mental pain as a partially subjective phenomenon. Maybe they saw it as universal.
Isaac Peachey Epicurus is completely aware that people don’t always get what they seek. If they did, what would be the purpose of philosophy? If you read his letter to Herodotus or Menoeceus, you’ll learn that people suffer pain because of their false beliefs.
Everyone still seeks pleasure. Much in the same way that Plato thinks everyone seeks virtue. Just because someone doesn’t secure virtues for themselves isn’t in conflict with Plato. Some vicious people are even ostensibly satisfied with their character... they are still missing out on the real good.
Mental and physical pain are both subjective. There can be objective correlates, but the feeling is subjective by its nature. You'll likely want to read the available Epicurean texts, if the goal is to think this out along their lines
One of the gentlemen in the audience sounds like William Lane Craig…
I wouldn't know. I quit paying attention to him a long time back