These guys just appeared in my tank one day after adding some live plants. I panicked at first but once I found out what they were I was actually pleasantly surprised. I love watching my Betta and CPD's hunt them.
You can also look at fairy shrimp. They are the larger equivalent of the brine shrimp but fully freshwater unlike brine which will soon die from it. Most of their eggs, including the largest beavertail can be bought online and can get in the fish size range at over an inch and a quarter or as small as brines. Because they are seasonal, you just need to scoop out some substrate from the tank they laid eggs in and dry that out, then regrow a new generation in a smaller tank before adding them back to the main tank to replenish them constantly. Daphnia can also be raised with them.
I have put live water fleas and live daphnia in my tank, but my voratious fish seem to eat them all before they can find hiding places. Sadly, they never get a chance to reproduce with my little monsters around. I've had better luck with crayfish reproducing in the turtle tank, and that's even though my turtle likes live crayfish better than anything else. He actively stalks and hunts them, often times digging under the log in his tank to try and dig them out. He's rarely successful in that, but if one of the crayfish is foolish enough to come out from under the log, my turtle turns into a cheetah and simply out-runs them and catches them with sheer speed. I have tried feeding my fish before introducing the water fleas or daphnia, but they'll go crazy over them anyhow and will overeat, sometimes catching and killing them, only to spit the dead ones out.
Ostrocods would survive in nano fidh tank as they have hard shells. Juveniles get eaten and the cycle girs in. I am maintaining the same in ine of my densly planted tanks.
it's crazy to see the difference between your rummynoses and mine. yours barely cared about the brine shrimp being dropped in the tank. Mine are just sharks stealing everything (litterally everything) from everything. I have to overfeed with tiny powder like foods to ensure my pygmy corydoras don't starve. Hopefully the moina can help them and live in the aquasoil to reproduce
Wow your rummy nose definitely sound like they enjoy their food! I run into the same problem feeding my Corys when they compete against my middle column fish. Sinking pellets definitely help balance the distribution of food! Oh man it doesn’t seem like the Moina have been reproducing, however I’ve now mastered culturing scuds and will make a follow up video on keeping a scud population alive to feed my micro predators!
@@4kfishes You should consider culturing Asellus Aquaticus (or similar), if you can. They are fantastic for the purposes of live feed and are a valued addition to a cleanup crew, also. Depending on where you live, I might be able to set you up with a starter culture. If not, you can probably just scoop them out of any local body of water. They crawl through the sediment.
I think it would be best to add the Moina and brine shrimp and let them thrive for at a few weeks to a month so that they could fully establish all over the tank. Then add in the fish that way the ecosystem can start off with the fish having extra food and then naturally knocking them down to a natural balance. I figure if you put them in while the fish are there a lot get picked off before they can hide
How did get your Puffer to play nice? My Puffer was the smallest fish in my tank and she was an ill-tempered hell raiser that picked on every fish in the tank. I would return home and she would have an entire Neon in her mouth she couldn't swallow.
@@Orange_DNA honestly a little bit of luck, but maintaining peace in the tank is a lot easier when you’re feeding everyone in the tank! I also have plenty of live food in the substrate for my pea puffer to hunt and chase for. (Snails, scuds, etc) Fed fish probably lower the overall aggression of the tank!
Im surprised you successfully co-existed a pea puffer with all these fish, behavior varies from individual, so you must be extra lucky having a tame pea puffer-
Hello from my fish room channel in Chicago, where I just subscribed to yours! Your tank creatures are awesome. But I have to be a bummer now: While I love feeding live adult brine shrimp to my fish they are in fact bereft of any real nutritional value. It is the baby brine that has all that :)
@@LushSaltyAquariums thank you for the sub! Just subbed back, and wow you learn something new everyday! I’ll have to start asking around for baby brine shrimp! Just looked up how there is more nutritional value since the babies just ate their yolk sack! Any other live food you recommend to feed your fish?
Hi from Portugal. Totally agree. I maintain a healthy colony of brine shrimp but, after reading from multiple sources that the adult nutritional value is quite below par, I only feed them to the fish after they are kept for a couple of hours in a spirulina enriched water. This method is used very successfully in aquaculture (not with spirulina but mostly with chlorela and other fatty acid rich phytoplancton). It is used not only for enriching Artemia but also other live feeds like rotifers and copepods.
Great question, it was definitely a blend of ample space, planted areas, and plenty of food for everyone to mitigate aggression. So far the micro predators have been getting along with everyone! Occasionally a fish or some shrimp gets chased but nothing excessive. I’ve come to realize that people may be exaggerating how aggressive pea puffers are.
@@Asperatic from my experience it seems like that would work. I have two baby guppy fry in the tank who live peacefully with my puffer. However every pea puffer has a different personality so be prepared if things don’t turn out as expected! I’ll be documenting the growth my baby guppy fry in this tank in the upcoming episodes, so you’ll be able to see how that relationship plays out for your reference!
Place 3 hard water buckets with a pinch of organic fertilizer in the sun to get green water. Then keep Daphnia in 2 storage binz with hard water. Feed 1 half a bucket of green water every other day and boom 💥. Forever supply of live Daphnia Moina/Magna.
@@lloyd011721 it seems as though you’re right! It’s been a few days since I finished making this video and I haven’t seen many Moina. I’m going with a new approach and keeping a breeding box of Moina instead. I’ll document the approach for a future video!
What if , if i put moina/brine shrimp in sump with plant only.. Like refugium in saltwater tank.. Will be became continous food for my fish or still slowly gone?
@@aderachmat1892that might work for the moina if they start a colony in the “refugium” but brine shrimp won’t reproduce in freshwater they only live for a bit in fresh cause u grow them in salt water
@@aderachmat1892 they may be able to survive in there, but i would also try keeping them in a 2 or 5 gallon bucket on their own incase of a colony crash. its always good to run 2 colonies or more at once. theyre filter feeders that eat micro bacteria and stuff too, so if you can keep green water going, they absolutely thrive eating that. kinda hard to keep green water in a sump though.
Very good video. I am afraid the moina population could not sustain a very long period in the fish tank because the food chain is still not yet complete. Moina need to feed on micro algae to thrive. Do you have a updates on the following change in the tank?
Maybe eventually in the future! But to stay consistent and out put as much work as a one person crew, using the voice for now helps save time for now! 👌🏼
Potentially! I’ve actually spoken to a few fish keepers in Austin who have had success keeping a reasonable colony in their tanks. they told me the Moina feed off the algae in the tank and probably eat left over fish food. I’d say maybe if you have enough algae in your tank they’d be quite all right during your vacation.
As long as oxygen/air pump is on and that's fine, fish is cold blooded, they can eat little for two weeks, as long as room temperature not hot/warm, if you have air conditioner at that room, turn it on for about 22 celcius, the fish metabolism will be dropped a little and then they will eat little
I did not enjoy this video, I will not subscribe for more adventures with 4KFishes, you took way too long to get to the subject of the video somone would expect from the title, and you said nothing about breeding them or creating an INFINITE supply.
Would you try adding Moina to your tank? Comment below! 🐟🫧
I'm doing it
@@Cleeon @4kfishes Is the Moina able to survive and breed in aquarium ? would be very interesting
@@yashwantn5533 it won't, being alive they're noticed very easily and feasted on by the other predators real quick.
Absolutely will be trying them :)
Great video but your voiceover sounds like a serial killer about to torture your victim
@@skeeterjohn200 haha thanks for the feed back, I might try and find a more innocent voice to use 😭🧐
Unfortunately have to second that, sounds quite creepy. Just try your natural voice haha
@@4kfishesyou sound perfect, I think his taste is just different
Please use your actual voice. FFS
@@4kfishes I personally like it
Man you took a lot of heat in the comments for nothing 😂great vid!
@@mq9047 lolol thanks, I think the serial killer comment was my favorite roast. The engagement keeps me going tho
These guys just appeared in my tank one day after adding some live plants. I panicked at first but once I found out what they were I was actually pleasantly surprised. I love watching my Betta and CPD's hunt them.
@@Ethdawg nice! Just to clarify are you talking about moina appearing in your tank?
You can also look at fairy shrimp. They are the larger equivalent of the brine shrimp but fully freshwater unlike brine which will soon die from it. Most of their eggs, including the largest beavertail can be bought online and can get in the fish size range at over an inch and a quarter or as small as brines. Because they are seasonal, you just need to scoop out some substrate from the tank they laid eggs in and dry that out, then regrow a new generation in a smaller tank before adding them back to the main tank to replenish them constantly. Daphnia can also be raised with them.
@@GrimReaper_sGhost this is such a great suggestion! I’m absolutely trying this 👌🏼🙌🏼
If you can find the eggs, the snails are gonna find the eggs.
Excellent videography
@@fahoodie1852 thank you!
I have put live water fleas and live daphnia in my tank, but my voratious fish seem to eat them all before they can find hiding places. Sadly, they never get a chance to reproduce with my little monsters around. I've had better luck with crayfish reproducing in the turtle tank, and that's even though my turtle likes live crayfish better than anything else. He actively stalks and hunts them, often times digging under the log in his tank to try and dig them out. He's rarely successful in that, but if one of the crayfish is foolish enough to come out from under the log, my turtle turns into a cheetah and simply out-runs them and catches them with sheer speed.
I have tried feeding my fish before introducing the water fleas or daphnia, but they'll go crazy over them anyhow and will overeat, sometimes catching and killing them, only to spit the dead ones out.
Ostrocods would survive in nano fidh tank as they have hard shells. Juveniles get eaten and the cycle girs in. I am maintaining the same in ine of my densly planted tanks.
it's crazy to see the difference between your rummynoses and mine. yours barely cared about the brine shrimp being dropped in the tank. Mine are just sharks stealing everything (litterally everything) from everything. I have to overfeed with tiny powder like foods to ensure my pygmy corydoras don't starve. Hopefully the moina can help them and live in the aquasoil to reproduce
Wow your rummy nose definitely sound like they enjoy their food! I run into the same problem feeding my Corys when they compete against my middle column fish. Sinking pellets definitely help balance the distribution of food!
Oh man it doesn’t seem like the Moina have been reproducing, however I’ve now mastered culturing scuds and will make a follow up video on keeping a scud population alive to feed my micro predators!
@@4kfishes well i'll be looking forward to that video then!
@@4kfishes You should consider culturing Asellus Aquaticus (or similar), if you can. They are fantastic for the purposes of live feed and are a valued addition to a cleanup crew, also. Depending on where you live, I might be able to set you up with a starter culture. If not, you can probably just scoop them out of any local body of water. They crawl through the sediment.
I think it would be best to add the Moina and brine shrimp and let them thrive for at a few weeks to a month so that they could fully establish all over the tank. Then add in the fish that way the ecosystem can start off with the fish having extra food and then naturally knocking them down to a natural balance. I figure if you put them in while the fish are there a lot get picked off before they can hide
How did get your Puffer to play nice? My Puffer was the smallest fish in my tank and she was an ill-tempered hell raiser that picked on every fish in the tank. I would return home and she would have an entire Neon in her mouth she couldn't swallow.
@@Orange_DNA honestly a little bit of luck, but maintaining peace in the tank is a lot easier when you’re feeding everyone in the tank! I also have plenty of live food in the substrate for my pea puffer to hunt and chase for. (Snails, scuds, etc)
Fed fish probably lower the overall aggression of the tank!
Im surprised you successfully co-existed a pea puffer with all these fish, behavior varies from individual, so you must be extra lucky having a tame pea puffer-
@@matteld3179 sooooo fortunate to have a nice pea puffer! I think since we got Mrs. Puff while she’s young also helped her get used to her tank mates.
Very cool and good quality video you have made! Don’t listen to the haters.
@@Russeren01 appreciate your kind words!!! Stay tuned for more, we’re just getting started 👌🏼🙌🏼
Hello from my fish room channel in Chicago, where I just subscribed to yours! Your tank creatures are awesome. But I have to be a bummer now: While I love feeding live adult brine shrimp to my fish they are in fact bereft of any real nutritional value. It is the baby brine that has all that :)
@@LushSaltyAquariums thank you for the sub! Just subbed back, and wow you learn something new everyday! I’ll have to start asking around for baby brine shrimp! Just looked up how there is more nutritional value since the babies just ate their yolk sack!
Any other live food you recommend to feed your fish?
@@4kfishes raising baby brine is super easy!
Hi from Portugal. Totally agree. I maintain a healthy colony of brine shrimp but, after reading from multiple sources that the adult nutritional value is quite below par, I only feed them to the fish after they are kept for a couple of hours in a spirulina enriched water. This method is used very successfully in aquaculture (not with spirulina but mostly with chlorela and other fatty acid rich phytoplancton). It is used not only for enriching Artemia but also other live feeds like rotifers and copepods.
what species are Patty and Maddie?
@@al28854 they are scarlet badis! I have an entire video on how to take care of them on my channel 😄
@@4kfishes TK 👍🙏
Would that work with a sponge filter?
@@SaidRoussell it definitely should!
How’d you get your puffer to not bully the other fish?
Great question, it was definitely a blend of ample space, planted areas, and plenty of food for everyone to mitigate aggression.
So far the micro predators have been getting along with everyone! Occasionally a fish or some shrimp gets chased but nothing excessive.
I’ve come to realize that people may be exaggerating how aggressive pea puffers are.
@@4kfishes that’s great to hear!! You think I could mix one with guppies if I feed a lot?
@@Asperatic from my experience it seems like that would work. I have two baby guppy fry in the tank who live peacefully with my puffer. However every pea puffer has a different personality so be prepared if things don’t turn out as expected!
I’ll be documenting the growth my baby guppy fry in this tank in the upcoming episodes, so you’ll be able to see how that relationship plays out for your reference!
@Asperatic Also feeding a lot can cause other problems. Especially if it's not live food such as daphna.
@@doobyfrooby7606 I guess my plan was just to feed the puffer a lot of snails
The bigger Daphnia, the Russian reds or the magna I don’t know what they’re called are way better
Do symphysodon Discus pls
Will do!
@@4kfishes nice, i'll looking for it
Nice
Thank you! 🫧🙏🏼
Place 3 hard water buckets with a pinch of organic fertilizer in the sun to get green water. Then keep Daphnia in 2 storage binz with hard water. Feed 1 half a bucket of green water every other day and boom 💥. Forever supply of live Daphnia Moina/Magna.
Thanks for the tips!
Spirulina powder with a bit of cayenne pepper to give them a bit more red color works really good
Music too loud relative to voice
Hey bro you're gonna rock
Your voice is incredible ❤
❤from india 🇮🇳
Will you remember if get famous in this hobby 🤔
Thank you brother! Absolutely I’ll remember this support all the way 🙏🏼🫧🐟
absolutely not. there will be no surviors in that tank. you will need to raise them separately
@@lloyd011721 it seems as though you’re right! It’s been a few days since I finished making this video and I haven’t seen many Moina. I’m going with a new approach and keeping a breeding box of Moina instead.
I’ll document the approach for a future video!
What if , if i put moina/brine shrimp in sump with plant only.. Like refugium in saltwater tank..
Will be became continous food for my fish or still slowly gone?
@@aderachmat1892that might work for the moina if they start a colony in the “refugium” but brine shrimp won’t reproduce in freshwater they only live for a bit in fresh cause u grow them in salt water
@@aderachmat1892 they may be able to survive in there, but i would also try keeping them in a 2 or 5 gallon bucket on their own incase of a colony crash. its always good to run 2 colonies or more at once. theyre filter feeders that eat micro bacteria and stuff too, so if you can keep green water going, they absolutely thrive eating that. kinda hard to keep green water in a sump though.
@@4kfishes It seems scuds survive and breed in Aquarium. randombits has a series of such videos
pea puffer in 5 gallon, yes or no?
@@ApoorvSharma-e1r possible, results will vary! The more space the better.
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Much appreciated!!!
Is that a fresh water tank or salt water tank…brine shrimps don’t survive in fresh water
Fresh water, I don't think there was any suggestion in the video that they would survive. Just a snack for the fish.
Very good video. I am afraid the moina population could not sustain a very long period in the fish tank because the food chain is still not yet complete. Moina need to feed on micro algae to thrive. Do you have a updates on the following change in the tank?
I do! There are a few I find occasionally at the bottom of the tank, but the population is not as established as it was a few weeks ago ):
Awesome video, but why can't you just use your normal voice????
Maybe eventually in the future! But to stay consistent and out put as much work as a one person crew, using the voice for now helps save time for now! 👌🏼
if i have sustainable population of moina in tank can i go on holidays for 2 weeks without worrying about feeding ?
Potentially! I’ve actually spoken to a few fish keepers in Austin who have had success keeping a reasonable colony in their tanks. they told me the Moina feed off the algae in the tank and probably eat left over fish food.
I’d say maybe if you have enough algae in your tank they’d be quite all right during your vacation.
As long as oxygen/air pump is on and that's fine, fish is cold blooded, they can eat little for two weeks, as long as room temperature not hot/warm, if you have air conditioner at that room, turn it on for about 22 celcius, the fish metabolism will be dropped a little and then they will eat little
I did not enjoy this video, I will not subscribe for more adventures with 4KFishes, you took way too long to get to the subject of the video somone would expect from the title, and you said nothing about breeding them or creating an INFINITE supply.
trying way too hard