I got 2 reasons why hawk is nerfed: 1. After that victory in s4, Hawk’s popularity in the fandom ridiculously increased, but that also takes off the attention of Miguel and Robby and the writers didn’t rly like that so they wanted to punish his character by making him look like a demetri lvl threat. 2. Hawk hold back a lot because he is afraid that he might slip back into his old aggressive cobra Kai bully persona again and might ruin the friendships he made with Robby, Miguel, Demetri, Sam, Kenny, Devon, and Tory.
I wished Hawk took a mentor role to Kenny considering they both had similar paths in joining CobraKai, going too far and trouble channeling their anger. Then it becomes something he enjoys and that causes conflict in his story with Demetri because now he's not sure MIT is what he wants to do. Because the OGs no longer seem invested in Karate anymore they can pass on their skills to the new blood Kenny and Devon. You can still show how strong Hawk is by training Kenny without taking the spotlight because maybe he gives up his Sekai Tekai spot to Kenny and Kenny carrys the torch by using some of Hawks moves.
It's so annoying because hawk is supposed to be on the same power level and skill set as Robby and Miguel. But they had to give ngas like Kenny and demetri plot armor by beating him 💀
No he's not, he has never been on their level before S4 finale and after that. Y'all need to accept that he's not as good and his best fight with Robby was not even a clean win.
hawk definitely got nerfed hard because throughout all 6 seasons he never took a long break from karate like robby and miguel did in season 3. by that logic i feel like hawk should be the most skilled fighter out of them
This is what I’m saying! But unfortunately there is nothing that proves it. This is my biggest gripe with the show. The writing isn’t consistent and it doesn’t make sense.
@@Nrr0501I feel the same way, the power scale with all the characters is horrible and inconsistent. For example how is Kenny gonna beat Hawk but Hawk beat Robby and Robby absolutely curb stomped Kenny? I get they had to have Sam win for her character development but did that really mean throwing Hawk under the bus?
he was first one called by Mike Barnes, he did the best in the round 1 of that test, he beated Demetri until Demetri backstabbed him. He's still great but the Writers didn't give him enough moments.
They should have cleared the Dametri beef in the first epsiode and then have Hawk vs Yoon as the main hawk rivarly in part two. Instead of the tag team part it should have been Hawk vs Yoon which determines if Robby can go up against Kwon, giving him a vital role and doing bro some justice
@jarrrrrrrrrrrrrrr-k1d It was a good showcase but because of it people continue to shit on Hawk saying he's nerfed still because he couldn't beat Yoon on his own.
@@goofyahhprodThat’s not Hawk getting nerfed, Yoon is a beast honestly close to Kwon levels, One of the biggest reasons Kwon was able to beat him was because he mastered the learnings of his dojo which made him predictable to anyone in the dojo but anyone outside the dojo is going to struggle against him. He is also always fighting along side Kwon so the show is pushing to make the fans realize that Yoon and Kwon are not that far off at all
He’s a peak character still I think. He beat Robby legitimately. In season 4 If round 3 hadn’t ended because of the time limit, he would’ve ended it right there. He had Robby on the ground, it was over. When he loses past this point, it’s only ever to new opponents or because he’s asked to hold back (in the case when he fought Kenny). He holds himself back not to fall back into that bad place he was in. S6 showed him still tough, but also respectable, like when he stayed loyal to his girlfriend even when other girls were hitting on him.
Hawk wasn't nerfed. He - much like every other OG cast member who isn't Miguel, Sam, or Tory - just got left behind by the steady power creep of the series.
And that would be the case, it it wasn’t for the fact that even Demetri seems to be nearly on par with him. I don’t mind Miguel & Robby growing stronger, but don’t nerf/sideline Hawk to make them better.
Hawk is a good analogy as a character for Cobra Kai itself. It had an interesting unique character that was a flawed hero but after being forced to shift their morality the show both abandons Cobra Kai as the central entity to make everything about Miyagi Do and shifts anything highlighting Hawk away back towards Daniel and Sam. Tldr as cobra Kai gets worse so does specifically Hawk
On a side note. Idk why Kenny replaced Devon. The clip at the start shows that Demetri gives zero shits about the tournement. Also has basically no W in the Sekai Takai, even Devon got some rare Ws.
After watching Season 6 Parts 1 and 2, I have to say that out of the seven Miyagi-Do fighters that participated in the tournament, Demetri is easily the weakest out of them. He's a decent fighter, but is not one of the top strongest The perfect team imo would be Miguel, Robby, Sam, Hawk, Kenny and Devon
I got bullied really bad in highschool to the point I dropped out and hid in my room until I was 20. Cobra Kai (and especially Hawk) changed my life around, got into martial arts, went from 320 lbs to 220, got into actual boxing and MMA matches (record isn't great but we're working on it) so to see him get done so dirty hurt like a bitch
People can't call Hawk trash because he literally won against Robby in the all valley becoming the male or valley Champ. Robby himself even said it was a fair fight. Although I do sort of see how Robby also was in the wrong headspace only fighting with hate.
Correction- people can’t say Hawk was always trash because he literally won against Robby. However they can say he has been a complete let down since. TBH Robbie has a lot of off days when his head isn’t straight. How many fair fights has Robbie lost in the seka Thai thing. Robbie was mentally off when Hawk beat him
@@choppyhakushoyour are right I agree with you too, but he is talkin about how robby was out of it for the first 80% of the seki taki. Robby was strong during the 2nd All valley and hawk beat him. Hawk was arguably better in s4. Im not sure about now but we will see
Since Robby was in cobra Kai he was not balanced and was fighting with agression like a cobra Kai student, so hawk had an edge and also he got distracted
This is what happens when you replace logic for plot convenience, you get a crap story and nerfed characters! Kenny shouldn’t even have been as good as he was! Season 5 also.
"As" good no, but Kenny spiking in the first place isn't that unreasonable when you look at the big picture, which is that: Miguel and Kenny are the only characters who learned karate out of sheer necessity. Hawk and Demetri learning it was certainly helpful, but they could've always just leaned on Miguel at that point whenever someone was bothering them. Robby didn't learn karate to solve a physical problem, he learned it to solve a spiritual one. But Miguel and Kenny both had problems they HAD to fight their way out of. And when you need to learn something, you tend to learn it a lot quicker. I can agree that he got a little too good a little too quickly, though.
My goat hawk got nerfed this season i thought my Goat Hawk would never fall off he had a great character and development the past few seasons. Bro needs to go back to Corba kai because since he is in miyagi do . Becoming weak. Thank god Eil on the good side . Can you make video on what if demetri joined Corba kai?
Cobra Kai wouldn't have accepted him. Dimitri doesn't have the "edge" that the Cobra Kai kids had. Hawk was more inclined to violence over his facial scar causing more mockery than what Dimitri had. He's just a stereotype nerd
I don’t know if anyone’s going to understand what I’m commenting. But the beginning of this video just seems like a continuation to the last cobra Kai video and the same goes to that last video it’s like you breaking in peace by peace.
As much as it's sad to see him not at his best. You have to remember there are plenty of other fighters from all over the world. I think mentally he is nerfed due to him and Dimitri not getting along. Similar to Miguel in season 4 who is not mentally in the right space. But skill wise I don't think he's nerf. You guys just have to accept. There are people better than him.
@choppyhakusho no he wasn't, he was beaten by Kenny and struggling with kylet in season 5. Robby, Miguel, Sam, and Tory all had better performance than him in season 1, 2,3, 5, 6 and even in season 4 before the finale that didn't even make sense because he stopped training, he is not as good as you think he is, deal with it.
I completely agree. This is just simply bad writing. Demetri and Hawk were peak characters in S4, but they’ve completely dropped off since then. I think the problem is that the show has lasted too long and so they are creating stupid forced drama to make up for the lack of natural drama. Like the MIT beef is not that serious. This should’ve been resolved in the first episode. They literally had no interesting character arc in S6. The worst part about it is that they didn’t have to do anything. What I mean is that the writers didn’t have to cause this beef between them. They could’ve just put Hawk and Demetri in their primes and had them shine in the tournament and everything would’ve been good. But instead they nerfed them the whole time but then somehow Kenny and Devon perform better than BOTH of them? Like what the heck. Devon and Kenny combined have like 8 months of training, yet they are on the same level as Hawk? This writing doesn’t make any sense. I expected better for the last season. This is the last season, you would think that they would put all the characters in their primes but instead they nerfed like half the cast.
In s3 end he was considered top tier. In s2 he was 4th best behind Miguel, Robby and Sam. In s4 he was legit the best fighter there when he had his confidence. Robby only scored on him when he was using less than half his arsenal, which Robby knew all too well. If he had gone all out from the start, Robby wouldn't have gotten that point as it would have been 2-0 for hawk by the time the buzzer ran out. Maybe 2-1 for if u want to consider the Kenny distraction. And then hawk wins with 3-1. @@j.43
@BamBamBinBin no she isn't. Not even close. Tory lost to him at coyote Creek. And considering what he said to Miguel saying "finally a worthy opponent" indicates it wasn't too tough for him to eliminate her
I don't think the writes know what to do with Hawk, his arc was completed in Season 4 by him going against what he learned and showed off the Miyagi-Do way (GET OUT) of doing it. After that what else is he supposed to do? He's a main character or at least was, and right after his win Kenny (an eighth Grader) becomes his rival and he gets his ass handed to him. I honestly don't know what role they could give hawk which sucks because he used to be so cool for taking down Robby or others but know its a relief if he wins a fight. Hopefully they have something for him to deo but it's confirmed by one of the creator or writers idk on Twitter that Hawk won't fight in Part 3
Hawk was never going to win in the Sekai tekai, and fans never asked for it, either, but they could have easily given him a 1v1 rivalry against Yoon: Robby vs. Kwon, Miguel vs. Axel, and Hawk vs. Yoon.
@@AP-vi4cj I never said anything about him winning the Sekai Taikai but also there wouldn't be a need for Hawk to have a rivalry with Yoon because Yoon isn't important so there's reason for a rivalry that won't go anywhere. I do get what you're saying though
I think the writers would argue that his season 5 fight with kenny was not a true loss as silver showed kenny how to cheat and fight him in a dirty way. I think they also view him as slightly below Miguel and robby in the pecking order as far as fighting is concerned. But I agree that with him and demitiri, after season 4, there has been an absence of any major arcs for them.
I honestly don’t think he’s been that disrespected by the writers in the later seasons. As a Hawk fan since season 1, I’m just grateful he’s been given great enough development without being a main character. My All Valley Champion 🦾
This is one of the main reasons why I really don’t like the show no more cause of how badly they treated the character of Hawk after season 4 and it’s sad
My theory is because they were dojo hopping throughout in between seasons which is why hawk kenny migule robby and the rest Because of daniel and johnny and silver and kreese and chosen If anything mike barnes as dojo leader was more right than danile and johnny his unbiased student thing if johnny and danile did not keep interrupting behind his leaderboard book the starting tournament would be better if daniel and Johnny just allowed mike alone vs what happened
Eli is trash but the one thing that always bugs me is the binary bro that whole binary brother makes me feel like demetri and eli are similar in level even tho their not it's annoying btw i feel like people hate that is a nerd and not a sick bully
They finished his ARK too soon. Bis Victory gainst Robby was .... c'mon. Hawk should have been felt in conflict trying to proove something. Maybe some storyline of him getting mentored by Barnes or Chozen in the Tournament he goes full out against Kwon or Axel. But it ain't enough. But still one of the best fights because Hawk learned to be fine with it and makes every moment count. He has fun. We always got arrogant, cocky or depressed. But this time would be really Hawk/Eli in total harmony. It's a defeat. But a defeat people talk about. Even Kreese or Silver could be impressed and his fight showed where Kwon or Axel have their weaknesses to Robby or Miguel.
Was Hawk ever top-tier? I doubt it. He was never top-tier before beating Robby or beating after him. You can't call someone top-tier just because he won a tournament in which Miguel got injured and Robby got distracted. They could have done justice to hawk's character by giving him 1v1 rivalry with Yoon instead of that binary brothers bullsh*t.
Imo yall ALWAYS overrated him, his scaling made sense if you actually took into account how he always struggled againts injured, or not paying attention miguel and robby
Ey, we all hoping that when he finally changes that stupid us hairline he better be back on s2 demon time. But in a more apeace state of demon time. A flaming hot orange if you say...
C'mon, even the Vegeta stans never took it this hard... Y'all are trying to complicate two simple truths: One, Hawk is one of Cobra Kai's best achievements. Two, he was written into the story to be a close half-step below the 4 core greats. (Or arguably just the two guys.) He has a couple of tainted "losses" that weren't written to be definitive (LEAST of all the last Demetri one, where he won, then got sucker-punched). He also got a borderline-untainted championship win. Flexible floor and ceiling, same nothing-wrong-with-it Vegeta status. Yes, the finale is probably going to bring it down to just a couple best-of-the-best fighters, and yes, he's probably going to be on the side, getting some cool moments and a round-off to his "striking out on my own path, alone" sub-plot. Let him play his role and enjoy what it has left to offer. If the show screwed over anyone, it was by having Demetri stay totally static, after his single, turn-the-entire-character-on-his-head level-up.
nah miguel and robby are the main characters, hawk had almost NO motives throughout the whole show other than just being a bum to be a bum, there was little depth to him other than when it came to demetri but once that plot line was over, it makes sense that his “spotlight” stopped shinning
The thumbnail is right , he was never gonna win against Robby, he only won because he got distracted and from then on every one started thinking he is more powerful then Robby 😂😂. And for people saying hawk would have hit Robby if not for the timer , if u see clearly that scene , Hawk and Robby both had their fist against each other so if hawk would have hit him if there were more time , Robby would have done the same , so it would have been again 3-3 .
Aren’t you the same guy who made that Daniel hate video? Idk if I can trust a word you say after that dumpster fire. Jk. This video is good. That Daniel video was still trash though.
you also have to take into account the fact that they’re going up against the best in the entire world, so I don’t understand this narrative, it would be very unbelievable if they were all still the best
I got 2 reasons why hawk is nerfed:
1. After that victory in s4, Hawk’s popularity in the fandom ridiculously increased, but that also takes off the attention of Miguel and Robby and the writers didn’t rly like that so they wanted to punish his character by making him look like a demetri lvl threat.
2. Hawk hold back a lot because he is afraid that he might slip back into his old aggressive cobra Kai bully persona again and might ruin the friendships he made with Robby, Miguel, Demetri, Sam, Kenny, Devon, and Tory.
Hawk 2 🤤
For 2. That doesn’t make sense cause you can go all out and control yourself
Hawk was just never a good character, Kenny owns him, Faux-Hawk
that is a pretty good theory CallmeDanial. A shame if it is true.
@@nurbmanjones1709 Your a clown, Hawk is a good character and stomps Kenny.
I wished Hawk took a mentor role to Kenny considering they both had similar paths in joining CobraKai, going too far and trouble channeling their anger. Then it becomes something he enjoys and that causes conflict in his story with Demetri because now he's not sure MIT is what he wants to do.
Because the OGs no longer seem invested in Karate anymore they can pass on their skills to the new blood Kenny and Devon. You can still show how strong Hawk is by training Kenny without taking the spotlight because maybe he gives up his Sekai Tekai spot to Kenny and Kenny carrys the torch by using some of Hawks moves.
Bro this would have been a GREAT arc for hawk! I really thought he’d help Kenny come to the light.
It's so annoying because hawk is supposed to be on the same power level and skill set as Robby and Miguel. But they had to give ngas like Kenny and demetri plot armor by beating him 💀
Plus kenny did better then him at the sekai takai💀
Hawk downfall needs to be study after season 4 he fell off
kenny is good but demetri sucks a$$💀
@@KyngzD3adWouldn't say all dat but hawks only good highlight in s6 was the tag team match
No he's not, he has never been on their level before S4 finale and after that. Y'all need to accept that he's not as good and his best fight with Robby was not even a clean win.
hawk definitely got nerfed hard because throughout all 6 seasons he never took a long break from karate like robby and miguel did in season 3. by that logic i feel like hawk should be the most skilled fighter out of them
This is what I’m saying! But unfortunately there is nothing that proves it. This is my biggest gripe with the show. The writing isn’t consistent and it doesn’t make sense.
@@Nrr0501I feel the same way, the power scale with all the characters is horrible and inconsistent. For example how is Kenny gonna beat Hawk but Hawk beat Robby and Robby absolutely curb stomped Kenny? I get they had to have Sam win for her character development but did that really mean throwing Hawk under the bus?
Ik right, but everything is written for the plot that Miguel and Robby are the main rivals and protagonists.
My goat hawk fell off after season 4 man
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After a 4 he was Faux-Hawk 💀
@@Kenzoedits78 💀💀💀
he was first one called by Mike Barnes, he did the best in the round 1 of that test, he beated Demetri until Demetri backstabbed him. He's still great but the Writers didn't give him enough moments.
As soon as he won the All Valley I knew what they were gonna do to him
They should have cleared the Dametri beef in the first epsiode and then have Hawk vs Yoon as the main hawk rivarly in part two. Instead of the tag team part it should have been Hawk vs Yoon which determines if Robby can go up against Kwon, giving him a vital role and doing bro some justice
nah the Demetri x Hawk x Kenny part was fye
@jarrrrrrrrrrrrrrr-k1d It was a good showcase but because of it people continue to shit on Hawk saying he's nerfed still because he couldn't beat Yoon on his own.
@@goofyahhprodThat’s not Hawk getting nerfed, Yoon is a beast honestly close to Kwon levels, One of the biggest reasons Kwon was able to beat him was because he mastered the learnings of his dojo which made him predictable to anyone in the dojo but anyone outside the dojo is going to struggle against him. He is also always fighting along side Kwon so the show is pushing to make the fans realize that Yoon and Kwon are not that far off at all
He’s a peak character still I think. He beat Robby legitimately. In season 4 If round 3 hadn’t ended because of the time limit, he would’ve ended it right there. He had Robby on the ground, it was over.
When he loses past this point, it’s only ever to new opponents or because he’s asked to hold back (in the case when he fought Kenny). He holds himself back not to fall back into that bad place he was in. S6 showed him still tough, but also respectable, like when he stayed loyal to his girlfriend even when other girls were hitting on him.
Hawk wasn't nerfed. He - much like every other OG cast member who isn't Miguel, Sam, or Tory - just got left behind by the steady power creep of the series.
And that would be the case, it it wasn’t for the fact that even Demetri seems to be nearly on par with him. I don’t mind Miguel & Robby growing stronger, but don’t nerf/sideline Hawk to make them better.
Hawk is a good analogy as a character for Cobra Kai itself. It had an interesting unique character that was a flawed hero but after being forced to shift their morality the show both abandons Cobra Kai as the central entity to make everything about Miyagi Do and shifts anything highlighting Hawk away back towards Daniel and Sam. Tldr as cobra Kai gets worse so does specifically Hawk
Lol. Except season 5 was the best season. So you're wrong.
whatever you say bot
I'm getting tired of Hawk's nerf. I hope he performs well in part 3.
I heard he might die in part 3
writers confirmed his fights are done
@@timtubehd4409 I heard Yoon might kill him but idk
@PopCulture145 did u see the hawk gravestone?
Part 3 is mainly probably gonna be about Robby Miguel and axel so hawk is cooked
If hawk was still in s4 or s3 mentality he wouldve been one of the most brutal and dangerous fighters in sekai taikai
No he wouldn’t, being a merciless asshole doesn’t make you a better fighter
@@ptona3287 If anything it makes you a worse fighter, thinking your invincible is a 10/10 way to get your ass whooped
Hawk offense S3 and Hawk Defense S4 is the ultimate fighter on the show
On a side note. Idk why Kenny replaced Devon. The clip at the start shows that Demetri gives zero shits about the tournement. Also has basically no W in the Sekai Takai, even Devon got some rare Ws.
After watching Season 6 Parts 1 and 2, I have to say that out of the seven Miyagi-Do fighters that participated in the tournament, Demetri is easily the weakest out of them. He's a decent fighter, but is not one of the top strongest
The perfect team imo would be Miguel, Robby, Sam, Hawk, Kenny and Devon
He was nerfed ever since Hawk Tuah became a thing.
I got bullied really bad in highschool to the point I dropped out and hid in my room until I was 20. Cobra Kai (and especially Hawk) changed my life around, got into martial arts, went from 320 lbs to 220, got into actual boxing and MMA matches (record isn't great but we're working on it) so to see him get done so dirty hurt like a bitch
People can't call Hawk trash because he literally won against Robby in the all valley becoming the male or valley Champ. Robby himself even said it was a fair fight. Although I do sort of see how Robby also was in the wrong headspace only fighting with hate.
Correction- people can’t say Hawk was always trash because he literally won against Robby. However they can say he has been a complete let down since. TBH Robbie has a lot of off days when his head isn’t straight. How many fair fights has Robbie lost in the seka Thai thing. Robbie was mentally off when Hawk beat him
@@lowkey621 Robby literally admitted he went all out against Hawk and Hawk beat him. Hawk won fair and square.
@@choppyhakushoyour are right I agree with you too, but he is talkin about how robby was out of it for the first 80% of the seki taki. Robby was strong during the 2nd All valley and hawk beat him. Hawk was arguably better in s4. Im not sure about now but we will see
Since Robby was in cobra Kai he was not balanced and was fighting with agression like a cobra Kai student, so hawk had an edge and also he got distracted
@@codeblue362 Robby was in it 100%, Robby admitted he gave it his all, Hawk won fair and square.
Hawk in the big 3 is like mentioning kobe in the goat debate
Kobe is in the big 3 maybe not 2 but 3. Let's not compare hawk to kobe
I really like Hawk
It’s really sad that he was nerfed. I know he could’ve done way better at the Sekai Takai
This is what happens when you replace logic for plot convenience, you get a crap story and nerfed characters! Kenny shouldn’t even have been as good as he was! Season 5 also.
"As" good no, but Kenny spiking in the first place isn't that unreasonable when you look at the big picture, which is that:
Miguel and Kenny are the only characters who learned karate out of sheer necessity. Hawk and Demetri learning it was certainly helpful, but they could've always just leaned on Miguel at that point whenever someone was bothering them. Robby didn't learn karate to solve a physical problem, he learned it to solve a spiritual one.
But Miguel and Kenny both had problems they HAD to fight their way out of. And when you need to learn something, you tend to learn it a lot quicker.
I can agree that he got a little too good a little too quickly, though.
Hawk and migual should go back to Cobra Kai
My goat hawk got nerfed this season i thought my Goat Hawk would never fall off he had a great character and development the past few seasons. Bro needs to go back to Corba kai because since he is in miyagi do . Becoming weak. Thank god Eil on the good side . Can you make video on what if demetri joined Corba kai?
Cobra Kai wouldn't have accepted him. Dimitri doesn't have the "edge" that the Cobra Kai kids had. Hawk was more inclined to violence over his facial scar causing more mockery than what Dimitri had. He's just a stereotype nerd
@richborn6700 I'm talking about in season 1 it's just a what if
I don’t know if anyone’s going to understand what I’m commenting. But the beginning of this video just seems like a continuation to the last cobra Kai video and the same goes to that last video it’s like you breaking in peace by peace.
As much as it's sad to see him not at his best. You have to remember there are plenty of other fighters from all over the world. I think mentally he is nerfed due to him and Dimitri not getting along. Similar to Miguel in season 4 who is not mentally in the right space. But skill wise I don't think he's nerf. You guys just have to accept. There are people better than him.
He was never among the best fighters.
@j.43 in the all valley yes in the world tournament no 😔
@@j.43 Your a clown, Hawk is in the top fighters, Hawk was number 2 up to S5, he's been getting ignored and pushed away in S6.
@choppyhakusho no he wasn't, he was beaten by Kenny and struggling with kylet in season 5. Robby, Miguel, Sam, and Tory all had better performance than him in season 1, 2,3, 5, 6 and even in season 4 before the finale that didn't even make sense because he stopped training, he is not as good as you think he is, deal with it.
@@j.43 he still beat Kyler and he was going easy on Kenny. It is literally confirmed by the writers.
I completely agree. This is just simply bad writing. Demetri and Hawk were peak characters in S4, but they’ve completely dropped off since then. I think the problem is that the show has lasted too long and so they are creating stupid forced drama to make up for the lack of natural drama. Like the MIT beef is not that serious. This should’ve been resolved in the first episode. They literally had no interesting character arc in S6. The worst part about it is that they didn’t have to do anything. What I mean is that the writers didn’t have to cause this beef between them. They could’ve just put Hawk and Demetri in their primes and had them shine in the tournament and everything would’ve been good. But instead they nerfed them the whole time but then somehow Kenny and Devon perform better than BOTH of them? Like what the heck. Devon and Kenny combined have like 8 months of training, yet they are on the same level as Hawk? This writing doesn’t make any sense. I expected better for the last season. This is the last season, you would think that they would put all the characters in their primes but instead they nerfed like half the cast.
Ridiculous nonsense
I always laughed whenever people claimed he got nerfed. His track record is awful and all of his wins have asterisks next to them.
Exactly, like he was never top tier before keeping up with Robby in Season 4 and after that.
In s3 end he was considered top tier. In s2 he was 4th best behind Miguel, Robby and Sam. In s4 he was legit the best fighter there when he had his confidence. Robby only scored on him when he was using less than half his arsenal, which Robby knew all too well. If he had gone all out from the start, Robby wouldn't have gotten that point as it would have been 2-0 for hawk by the time the buzzer ran out. Maybe 2-1 for if u want to consider the Kenny distraction. And then hawk wins with 3-1. @@j.43
@@ZarrarAAliTory is also better in season 2 he’s 5th best
@BamBamBinBin no she isn't. Not even close. Tory lost to him at coyote Creek. And considering what he said to Miguel saying "finally a worthy opponent" indicates it wasn't too tough for him to eliminate her
@if sam is better how is Tory not Tory is literally equal to her?
Bro didn’t even make the top 3 fighters In season 6, like the disrespect to his character
U can't be serious about cobra kai scent 💀
Yo uh u should look at my community posts, it’ll make it clear to u
I don't think the writes know what to do with Hawk, his arc was completed in Season 4 by him going against what he learned and showed off the Miyagi-Do way (GET OUT) of doing it. After that what else is he supposed to do? He's a main character or at least was, and right after his win Kenny (an eighth Grader) becomes his rival and he gets his ass handed to him. I honestly don't know what role they could give hawk which sucks because he used to be so cool for taking down Robby or others but know its a relief if he wins a fight. Hopefully they have something for him to deo but it's confirmed by one of the creator or writers idk on Twitter that Hawk won't fight in Part 3
Hawk was never going to win in the Sekai tekai, and fans never asked for it, either, but they could have easily given him a 1v1 rivalry against Yoon: Robby vs. Kwon, Miguel vs. Axel, and Hawk vs. Yoon.
@@AP-vi4cj I never said anything about him winning the Sekai Taikai but also there wouldn't be a need for Hawk to have a rivalry with Yoon because Yoon isn't important so there's reason for a rivalry that won't go anywhere. I do get what you're saying though
I think the writers would argue that his season 5 fight with kenny was not a true loss as silver showed kenny how to cheat and fight him in a dirty way. I think they also view him as slightly below Miguel and robby in the pecking order as far as fighting is concerned. But I agree that with him and demitiri, after season 4, there has been an absence of any major arcs for them.
I honestly don’t think he’s been that disrespected by the writers in the later seasons.
As a Hawk fan since season 1, I’m just grateful he’s been given great enough development without being a main character. My All Valley Champion 🦾
This is one of the main reasons why I really don’t like the show no more cause of how badly they treated the character of Hawk after season 4 and it’s sad
The Marine Corps got you beat on the Cobra scent man, USMC Cobra 65 is an OG scent
I think they need to give Hawk a spinoff where Hawk wins the Sekai Taikai with his new dojo
Let it go lil bro 💀😭
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@@Zakai__fr, like what is bro talking about😭
@@KazenamiLOL I don’t see what’s wrong with my statement but, ok judge me. I just think they should. Just to redeem his character. Give him his moment
@@havardtelhaug5048 hawk opening his own dojo is ridiculous😭.
ngl i think by the whole set up of season 6 parts leading into one another i think Hawk will somehow get a chance to prove himself
0:30 not the trove soundtrack in the backround 😭
First thing I noticed too
Have you Seen The Part 3 Leaks, I hate people who spoil stuff and ruin the experience for others
I don't mind leaks. What I do mind is when people put the leaks in their videos or thumbnails without any warning in advance!
Nature was flaming 🔥 for this vid
Season 2/3 Hawk was my fav
Once he started acting toxic it was over
The writers are against hawk
Damn, Mike Hawk is looking a little different than usual
hawks peak is s6, His prime is s6, etc. him being cooler in a previous season doesn’t make it his prime. I just wanted to say this
“You can’t spell humiliation without spelling humility”, yes… yes you can…
Bro had his bullied ark to spreading his wing ark to villain ark to redemption ark to deciding his college ark
This shi actually made me mad, they need to buff hawk.
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yeah, like atleast show him to be consistent, he was top 3 a season ago, they could've given him a good rivalry with Yoon atleast
@@jr5034 he still is. the shows an ensemble we don't need hawk highlights
@ no need for higlights, atleast give him a decent rivalry, and at the very least please don't show him to be on Demetri level
@ fair enough. these last few seasons the writers have screwed over character arcs and stirred up repetitive drama.
Nah. In part 3 he deserves a significant win to reclaim his aura that he lost recently
My theory is because they were dojo hopping throughout in between seasons which is why hawk kenny migule robby and the rest
Because of daniel and johnny and silver and kreese and chosen
If anything mike barnes as dojo leader was more right than danile and johnny his unbiased student thing if johnny and danile did not keep interrupting behind his leaderboard book the starting tournament would be better if daniel and Johnny just allowed mike alone vs what happened
I felt like I was having a stroke trying to read this
@bjh903 yeah I wasnt thinking about structure just ranting there about the cobra Kai students to dojo thing
Johnny. The H is third in the name, no second. It's John, not Jhon. Even your own device will correct that for you
the show as whole is being dragged, there is no need for season 6.
Finally someone speaking out i appreciate this video so much
Once he got his W he fell off 😂
u like that?
Eli is trash but the one thing that always bugs me is the binary bro that whole binary brother makes me feel like demetri and eli are similar in level even tho their not it's annoying btw i feel like people hate that is a nerd and not a sick bully
Bruh my goat😢
Two questions who’s Eli Muscless, and who’s Yamacha
Still my favourite character
They made him weak because the fandom loved him too much, and the main teen of the show is Miguel.
Hawks story is done. Hes found peace and hes found balance while still being badass.
hawk got nerfed
Fjällräven mentioned!🔥🔥🔥
Every S4 character was a fever dream besides Miguel I loved Hawk In it
Why does the thumbnail say he was never good
“Eli moskulas” 0:28
They finished his ARK too soon. Bis Victory gainst Robby was .... c'mon. Hawk should have been felt in conflict trying to proove something. Maybe some storyline of him getting mentored by Barnes or Chozen in the Tournament he goes full out against Kwon or Axel. But it ain't enough. But still one of the best fights because Hawk learned to be fine with it and makes every moment count. He has fun. We always got arrogant, cocky or depressed. But this time would be really Hawk/Eli in total harmony. It's a defeat. But a defeat people talk about. Even Kreese or Silver could be impressed and his fight showed where Kwon or Axel have their weaknesses to Robby or Miguel.
Precisely.
5:36 does he say yama-cha?
Ngl I'm just going to say it Kenny is who Hawk thinks he is
Cobra commander is coming for you.
Hawk was never on that level. He's No.3. But there's a real gap. Always was.
Was Hawk ever top-tier? I doubt it. He was never top-tier before beating Robby or beating after him. You can't call someone top-tier just because he won a tournament in which Miguel got injured and Robby got distracted. They could have done justice to hawk's character by giving him 1v1 rivalry with Yoon instead of that binary brothers bullsh*t.
Completely true
U realise that hawk would’ve won anyway if there was no overtime 💀
@@Yoshi14838nah Robby 10x better than your silly hawk who got chicken wings for his lame ass karate.
Robby will never win a tournament, stay mad
People who stand Hawk are the same people who say Gohan is more popular than Goku or Vegeta
Imo yall ALWAYS overrated him, his scaling made sense if you actually took into account how he always struggled againts injured, or not paying attention miguel and robby
What do you mean he’s not good bro is amazing. And just because he had a downfall after season 4 That still make no sense
not tryna stir up anything but Robby was NOT 2v1ing in the first parts of the Sekai Taikai, bro was lowkey fumbling the bag
He was 2v1ing in the last against kwon and yoon thrice
@ oh right in the brawl, my bad
Ey, we all hoping that when he finally changes that stupid us hairline he better be back on s2 demon time. But in a more apeace state of demon time. A flaming hot orange if you say...
C'mon, even the Vegeta stans never took it this hard...
Y'all are trying to complicate two simple truths: One, Hawk is one of Cobra Kai's best achievements. Two, he was written into the story to be a close half-step below the 4 core greats. (Or arguably just the two guys.)
He has a couple of tainted "losses" that weren't written to be definitive (LEAST of all the last Demetri one, where he won, then got sucker-punched). He also got a borderline-untainted championship win. Flexible floor and ceiling, same nothing-wrong-with-it Vegeta status. Yes, the finale is probably going to bring it down to just a couple best-of-the-best fighters, and yes, he's probably going to be on the side, getting some cool moments and a round-off to his "striking out on my own path, alone" sub-plot. Let him play his role and enjoy what it has left to offer.
If the show screwed over anyone, it was by having Demetri stay totally static, after his single, turn-the-entire-character-on-his-head level-up.
Cobra Kai cologne💀💀💀
nah miguel and robby are the main characters, hawk had almost NO motives throughout the whole show other than just being a bum to be a bum, there was little depth to him other than when it came to demetri but once that plot line was over, it makes sense that his “spotlight” stopped shinning
Miguel is the mc Robby and everyone else teen wise are side characters
@ yeah yeah but still miguel and robby always had much more focus than hawk
Did we watch the same show lmfao, he was a bullied kid with extreme levels of anger and hatred built up for years, is that not a motivation to you lol
Not very sigma of him, bro just needs that hawk tuah on hawkk
He became Eleven. HaHa!
Goku - Miguel
Robby - Vegeta
Hawk - Piccolo
They nerfed my boi hawk or he would’ve soloed sekai taikai 😢
The thumbnail is right , he was never gonna win against Robby, he only won because he got distracted and from then on every one started thinking he is more powerful then Robby 😂😂.
And for people saying hawk would have hit Robby if not for the timer , if u see clearly that scene , Hawk and Robby both had their fist against each other so if hawk would have hit him if there were more time , Robby would have done the same , so it would have been again 3-3 .
The tien of cobra Kai
Robby and Miguel were never good ... Hawk was
Hawk was never nerfed he just wasn't on the level of Miguel and Robby until S4 but in all honesty Sam is the better fighter than Hawk.
Hawk sucks, Kenny Payne rules
Hawk wasnt nerfed bruh
Hawk was nerfed so hard bruh what is you taking about
u like that?
He wasn't
@ItsLeprechaunDoge hawk is very nerfed
@@naimchowdhury1594 you mean he got nerfed by Kenny and other characters.Accept Kenny will be a better fighter than hawk with training.
1-3 with him part of unbalced cobra kai he sucked seaons 4 and up since joining miyagi do he become balanced and became a good fighter
Aren’t you the same guy who made that Daniel hate video? Idk if I can trust a word you say after that dumpster fire. Jk. This video is good. That Daniel video was still trash though.
I have won 5 karate titles were I’m from and I’m from dagastan
He said is that’s honestly some bullshii I’m not non lie to u was real
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W video
you also have to take into account the fact that they’re going up against the best in the entire world, so I don’t understand this narrative, it would be very unbelievable if they were all still the best
No one is saying he's the best, but he's damn sure not the bum they're treating him to be
Hawk tuah
This some hating ass shit