Just like everyone else in Parliament, those elected officials swear their oath of allegiance to the Queen of England. So they can only represent her interests, not the interests of "Aboriginal" people.
Because ey want ass to be divide and go against witch others.Tis is Comunist agenda to divide ass people, to make They game, laying to ass, thinking we are stupid.
Unfortunately none of the elected people are actually full blood Aboriginal people there seems to be an unwritten Law in this country that they're not allowed to speak for themselves
So does that mean we need a voice for every nationality in Australia? In primary school we were taught unless you have the answer to what, when, why, where, who and how, further investigation is required. Until these questions are answered, the answer to the referendum is no.
Exactly!!! Imagine how hard any decision-making would be if each of the 278 ethnic groups in Australia, had a legal right to tell politicians what to do!!! Each, would have a group, elected by only them, and the number based on how many of them there are. All the "Voice" actually does, is start paying a group of people in parallel parliament, of indig only people, from local communities, right through to federal parliamentarians, "advisors". Can you imagine, the local tribal councillors get paid, the regional body gets paid, the state body gets paid and the federal body gets paid. All of a sudden you have several hundred, if not a few thousand people, on the public payroll.
According to Shireen Morris, Native Title, Closing the Gap, Indigenous Heritage Protection, though well meaning, have been "comprehensive failures", how about fixing the 'comprehensive failures' that have been failing for decades, before adding what is simply a band aid like the 'Voice to Parliament' ? 'Australians' haven't failed the Indigenous people of Australia, the people that 'Australians' have paid billions, via their taxation, to, have failed the Indigenous people of Australia, through decades of mismanagement, corruption and ineptitude. Linda Birney, the current Minister for Indigenous Affairs, according to her bio has been involved in this issue in State and Federal levels for 20 YEARS, yet the situation is, apparently, still a mess, when are the Individuals who have been chosen to oversee this debacle going to be held accountable? Why would any Australian citizen have any confidence that a new avenue of communication, like the 'Voice' be any different from the previous failures, when it is going to be managed by the same people that have track record of utter failure?
I think this is potentially one of the most divisive and destructive suggestions ever made for our country. One voice for one group of Australians and one voice for another group of Australians. It introduces an apartheid system in our country where there is one set of rules for one, and another set of rules for another. One where we now see three flags...not one... that represents us all as a country. And for what purpose? It doesn't bring us together. It divides us even more. In Malaysia there is favoured treatment for the Malay people at the expense of the Malaysian born Chinese and Indian races. It has bred a generation of lazy Malays, who believe they are the privileged ones. It's like living in a them, and us, country, which is how I believe it will end up in Australia if this referendum gets up. We are talking about creating separate conditions for a very small percentage of our population. Why not one country, with one Government, representing one cohesive Australia.
Why can't our aboriginal people ( the same as all Australians) simply talk to their elected politicians when they want their voice to be heard. They, like all Australians already have a voice. There is a lot of talk about remote communities being marginalised. Where are the suggestions about how to solve this from the aboriginal people themselves. How will a Voice change this? The opportunity is there now.
Will cause division. Destroy our Country. Leave us all equal. Do not divide. We can all see this Albo needs to go for.pushing division amongst us. He is dangerous!!
except in Malaysia the favourtism is towards the Majority, which represents 75% of the country population, which does not make any sense apart from gaining votes for the politicians, the minority in this case are actually the aboriginals.
To me Jacinta and Andrew or what ever his name is I find that they was very rude and the other two Dean and the beautifull young lady sitting next to Dean was very humble in speaking about the voice SO FOR I'D SAY YES YES TO THE VOICE 🙏
Aboriginals currently have as much right as I do to make decisions about our lives. By formalising a process where one race has more input into national policy formalises racism. It forever locks Aboriginals into always arguing for a special deal. They as a group need to change the mindset from compensation for the past to embracing the world as it is now. I say NO to locking everyone into a never ending discussion of the past and look to the future.
Calling this racist is like looking at two people about to race in a 100m sprint. The Aboriginal racer is placed 50m back (a total of 150m sprint) as analogous to racial discrimination of his ancestors leaving him with no intergenerational wealth setting them back socioeconomically. Then saying it would be racist to allow the Aboriginal racer to move forward 50m because that would be separating the two by their race. We currently do not provide equal opportunity for Aboriginal people in this country. Trying to take action to resolve that inequality is literally the opposite of racist.
Our government said "sorry". That's a big deal. Problem with people that say they're marginalised is you give an inch, they want a mile. It's entitlement of the highest order.
It’s this sort of fear mongering that I can’t stand. What are you so afraid of. How is helping our fellow First Nations Australians create better opportunities to lift up their disadvantaged situations going to negatively affect you?
Senator Jacinta Yangapi Nampijinpa Price has my support Not one of the issues raised here could not be fixed by all the current First Nation providers that are in place already. Listen to the 11 First Nation representatives that the Australian people voted for on the 21st May and are already being paid for by the taxpayers of Australia. There is no need to waste even more money and more time for Anthony Albanese ego or Whitlam moment. My vote is NO.
The problem is we are not allowed to say to white women that want to steal all the jobs and represent people they've never met that they're not Aboriginal and until we have the balls to do that we're going to end up in the same situation
The left: "the right are all racist hateful bigots. Anyone who doesn't agree with us is cancelled" The right: "hey can we talk about how resegregating our society into racial groups and crying about how oppressed we are is not only non-productive, but also undermining the tremendous social reforms we've made as a society in the last X years, while also playing into the Freudian concept that the more parity society achieves, the more we pathologically feel the need to differentiate ourselves by exponentially smaller and more insignificant things, and blow them to exponentially bigger proportions?" Left: YOU RACIST BIGGOT! YOU'RE FUCKING CANCELLED
Invaluable all round, Chris. One unanswered question for Dean Parkin: If the Voice committees/advisory groups are to be elected by Indigenous people only, how will their indigeneity be determined? Will they self-identify? Will formal family ancestory certificates be required? When indigenous ancestry is disputed will a race administrative tribunal decision be required? And would non-indigenous people be eligible to be tribunal members? This is an Orwellian nightmare compared to our existing parliamentary democracy.
I know people that are white as white and claim they have aboriginal heritage. Do these have to prove anything or are they taken at their word. Im just saying because l have no idea, but as in everything in life, like the covid payments, people abuse, take advantage of the system. Look at the abuse in the NDIS.
I think it's fairly obvious that we're going to get a lot of fat white women claiming to be Aboriginal and no one is game to say anything who will be doing exactly what they've done for the last 50 years wasting lots of money and doing fk all . If it was all full bloods on the committee I think everybody would vote yes
How about a voice for all Australians ? Me as a white straight Christian and other medical labels don't feel very represented, but I work hard and pay my taxes and I don't break laws. Where is my representation/voice ?
What about orphans, what about single parent families, what about cancer patients… Enough what aboutisms. We are talking about the voice because Aboriginal ppl a far more over represented in disadvantaged situations, financially and socially.. and that is a simple fact you can’t dispute.
@@wyattoutlaw2370 If you are born poor that is not your fault... If you die poor that is your fault... Personal responsibility is the biggest factor in the sovereignity of a person's life.
How arrogant, selfish and racist. "White straight christian" sums it up perfectly. Surely you must realize that only "left woke black trans they" is entitled to a view
They are already recognised in the constitution just because they are human. Indigenous Australians are 3 percent of the population and are already over represented with 11 senators. They already have a constitutional recognition for being human. A time machine would be good I know but we are here now
Equally treated holy shit, every company are bending over backwards to employ indigenous people, massive sums of cash paid to leaders for mining companies to be able to mine. Jobs being given to in educated indigenous candidates just to passify government agencies. 4.6 billion dollars over 4 years to help indigenous people who refuse to integrate with the 97 percent of Australia. How the flying FUCK can that be equality. Degrees given to indigenous students while everyone else has to work hard to get the same academic result. The goverment is racist to non indigenous people.
@Democratic Socialists of Australia agree, abolish abstudy and grants (such as Indigenous housing loans, research and study grants) university courses (with specific positions for Indigenous students) Centrelink and housing assistance (Indigenous-specific) employment (Indigenous identified positions). Oh you're not going to kind for that kind of equality? Be honest, you are fighting for preferential treatment, not equality
I will vote NO to Apartheid. I am white, descended from convicts and already I feel like a second rate citizen in OUR country. One people, One Flag, One Country. No to Division of Australia by Race.
You are not second rate in the eyes of many migrants that came pre 1980s. Australians are the ones that welcomed us and our families and gave us a helping hand to avoid becoming welfare dependent.
Convicts came to this land as ‘Refugees’ from Britain. QE-1 saw fit to transfer their incarcerated to a No man’s land to fend for themselves.Quite unawares that people already lived here !
@@ahirwan They came as convicts if they were caught just stealing a piece of bread to survive, but what about the ones that weren't caught and yet stole?
Millions of everyday Australians never get consulted or asked 'directly; about their opinions or the effects of policy on them individually and their families (at least no more or no less). Indigenous Australians and the challenges they face are very well known, Australia has been on a long journey of reconciliation and we have come a long way. Vote. keep informed and up to date on issues. write letters to parliamentarians. engage in social discourse. The best voice is your own voice and its each individual responsibility to sharpen their voice. Getting young indigenous students to school every day will provide them a voice. Improving the quality of education in remote communities will help to raise indigenous voices. Invest in infrastructure in remote in rural communities. What about children? What about immigrants? What about those people on welfare? Do they all get a separate voice to parliament? Or are they subject to to the whims of parliament.
It’s true, but what they do is play on victimhood instead of raising themselves up and moving forward ! And while we have a PM that gets off on feeding their victimhood, strokes his own ego to gain more power and invites APARTHEID into our Constitution , they will never attain the life their fighting for.
1:54 This sums up everything that is wrong with this. "In the past". We will always be in the past seeking some form of revenge for past mistakes. This will never end, and will be a perpetual cycle of grievance and punishment for each future generation. 7:08 It's powers will be advisory Only. We already have "Advisory" groups, so why the need for a referendum and constitutional amendment. I'm voting no just on the alarm bells ringing from that alone. 7:28 All children in this country already start with an equatable chance at life. 13:20 "Something needs to change". Yup I will say what no one want's to say and take a ban for the team. A portion of indigenous Australians have to stop playing the victim card and "Poor me" card and realize that are just as capable and have just as many opportunities for a good life as anyone else. They just have get up an make life happen. 13:30 Lets be honest, The whole point of all of these advisory groups is to take consultation from the indigenous peoples. I only get my local member for consolation, yet indigenous get an extra level of voice as well as local members. 14:16 "... It's always been informal ...", So is the change for a "Formal Voice, or as an "Advisory Voice"? See 7:08 " It's powers will be advisory Only." 22:20 Bad behavior has nothing to do with race. It's just bad behavior and the simple solution is don't participate in bad behavior, simple. 27:59 Same as above, bad behavior is bad behavior. They need to take a long hard look in the mirror and say the person "I" see in the mirror is a rubbish person and tomorrow "I" am going to make an effort to stop being a rubbish person. 32:53 This is all starting to sound like another virtue signaling exercise. Constitutionally recognized virtue signaling. > This is not necessary, divisive, serves no practical purpose that is apparent. It comes across as virtue signally with a hidden future agenda and I will vote NO.
@@lukei6255 countries throughtout the wholeworld have been colonized by others. Its called history. The english had many people that went into their country the Romans for one.Its called the history of the world. Doesnt anyone read, research other countries these days. Probably explains peoples narrow of things. What about Asian countries and there history.
You made up my mind and the answer is, NO ! I can feel a bunfight coming. How can you expect people to vote for something they know nothing about ? THE FOURTH FAMOUS PROMISE !
Australia, as a continent is 10 to 50 million years old. If Aboriginals have (really) been here for 60 000 years, and Australia is say (at the middle point) 30 million years old then that means that indigenous people have occupied the continent for only 1/500th of the time that is has existed. "Always was"? NO. Australia does not belong to the Aboriginals.
The indigenous argument summarized: Things have failed before, we have no idea how this "Voice" is going to work, and give us more endless money to squander in the process.
The reason why it failed was because we had white people claiming to be Aboriginal in charge now until we address that issue we're not going to get anywhere
Time for change is the Labor logo, this is designed purely to get a further $4 billion dollars out of the tax payers pocket and nothing to do with this elaborate scam. If it's not a scam then why not use the existing monies correctly and replace the organisation's that are not performing and are corrupt.
look at the arrogance of Dean Parkin when he says "I will put those two people on the voice". It is clear this voice is all about people like Dean to gather more Power and Exercise it on the rest of the community. Indigenous people need to be saved first from people like Dean.
What, “No one denies the shame of indigenous disadvantage in this country” CKenny. I reject that I or my Family do anything to promote indigenous disadvantage or support anything that would disadvantage any fellow citizens, period. That doesn’t matter on their sex, colour, heritage or religion. Here’s the deal Kenny, you, me, anyone in Australia can come from anywhere in the world, anywhere in this country and through education (mostly free and subsidised), discipline, hard work, good choices, and perseverance (and a sprinkling of luck to boot) can become ANYTHING. That is the rare and wonderful thing about Australia. As you sit there with an old white male (immigrant) and an indigenous woman (on the same opinion) and a boy from a single parent on welfare holding the highest office in the land ( PM Albanese) you are seriously trying to tell Australia that we are racist and there is massive gaps in opportunities based on gender, race and sociology economic beginnings?? REALITY CHECK.
When you see this Australian Indian lawyer remember that AOC's BBB architect who was a Hindu from Texas said that BBB was not about the environment but the transfer of wealth. The same is the case here.
If it's only 'advisary' anyway, then why bother with it? If it's anything more, then it's a policy that separates us by race. If you want to end racism, then STOP obsessing over race. When people have issues in their personal lives, whatever their race, then they should be dealt with on an individual needs basis. We can't be fairer than that.
So if child A is born to a poor household and child B is born to a rich household, is it individually child A's fault and responsibility to equalise that discrepancy? How is that fair? It's through no cause or fault of either child that they are in either position but your solution is to just tell them it's their problem to deal with individually and that it's fair. You're wrong. If we want to provide equality of opportunity to each of these children we necessarily must redistribute resources from child B to child A. Currently, Aboriginal children are overwhelmingly represented by the circumstance of child A. It's a socioeconomic issue that is drawn upon racial lines due to the historical racial abuse which caused it in the first place. Telling people to stop obsessing about race is silly because this issue was caused by racism and we can't ignore that. Giving those affected communities some greater access to determination of distributions of resources absolutely helps to take us a step closer to equality of opportunity.
@@axle.australian.patriot what are you talking about? Private school and public school are not the same at all. There is a reason why wealthy families will choose to pay tens of thousands of dollars to send their children to private schools instead of public schools. Further, public schools in the west have less resources than those in the city. Kids of wealthy families can afford to receive private tutoring as well. Not to mention they can more easily afford to go through university.
Jacinta Nampijinpa Price; Isn't she just the best representative as an Indigenous voice to Parliament? She's lived this stuff for decades. She knows what needs to be done. It's not a voice to Parliament that's required, it's a process to fix what we already know is broken. If this were a business to build it's strength, they would ensure the process that was authorised by the executive level or (aka The Government,) is being followed and reported on to show the successes and failures of its goals. For every Tom, Dick and Harry to have a "Voice" is ludicrous to think it will matter. Government, get off your arse and create a department that can work with our indigenous people to create real change to set goals and honest reporting.
@Jonquil I agree.... It's not about race. It's about the people who are most qualified to represent "Aboriginal" communities....qualifications which must include a lived experience of what its like to actually be apart of those communities, and the ability to speak their language/s. They must also have the trust of the people, and most importantly their full support to help bring the changes they seek. That being said, can you name one single politician who ticks even just one those boxes ? Or any white person ? Congratulations on getting Jacinta Price "elected", but being apart of the CLP she has no power in Parliament, and absolutely no support from "Aboriginal" communities within her electorate. Not only that, but she has never lived in an "Aboriginal" community, and doesn't speak any language apart from English. So what on earth makes you think she's qualified to represent anyone apart from the white Conservatives who elected her ? Those communities are calling for a representative democracy, not the same old communist dictatorship which they've had to endure for the past decades.
@Jonquil ofcourse I know. I'm "Aboriginal" myself, and have seen the petitions which have been circulating the internet for years - denouncing JP. No "Aboriginal" community supports her. Andrew Bolt mentions it himself during the "debate". It's the main reason why Jacinta doesn't support a "Voice", because she knows for a fact that "Aboriginal" people will never elect her to represent them. Never....but that's OK. She'll still have a job representing the people who actually elected her - white conservatives. Good luck with it 🙂
@@beepbeep6861 don't they have 11 representatives In parliament? Didn't they vote for them?? If they are not doing their job, do what the rest of us have to do: vote them out!
As a non indigenous people, I felt my voice wasn’t heart either. The interest rate is going high, the grocery and utilities expenses are getting expensive, lots of non indigenous families struggle to put food on the table. What this country is going to do to make sure our voice is heard? If government keep playing dumb and deaf on Australian people voice, it won’t make any difference to have one more “voice” in parliament!
Thankyou all but I vote no. Great debate. I used to assist in theatre mending broken jaws wiring them shut till it healed which quite often got rebroken. My heart felt every break, blackeyes and horrific injuries. I witnessed tribal wars where women shaved their head so they couldn't be grab and dragged by their hair. This is the complete opposite to the peaceful city indigenous. Im with Jacinta on this.
The truth is though the voice to parliament may be well intentioned, it will end up being a waste of money as Andrew Bolt pointed out. We are handing more concessions and money to the Aboriginal community but at the end of the day it is the way they are raised. When we can instill good behavior in the children, then they can be profitable members of society and can affect change in their communities.
This was a year ago and the PM and Government have still provided no detail on what it will look like. And Jacinta has just made more and more sense as evidenced by her National Press Club address.
@Democratic Socialists of Australia Well we certainly don't have inherent racial bias in Australia. And even if you are right about inherent bias your suggesting to fix this by implementing an overtly racist institution into parliament
@Democratic Socialists of Australia And you are suggesting to fix this by instituting an inherently racially biased institution into parliament. I mean it is really starting to head down the path of aparteit
Should other ethnic groups in Australia, all have a legally binding right to tell government what to do when anything is decided, which might effect that community? There are 278 ethnic groups in Australia. If one group, of just 3% of the population, must have a legally binding say in all legislation, and even be able to change our constitution, then all 278 ethnic groups must be represented, with their own "Voice to Parliament" group of people, individually elected by only the members of those ethnic groups. These groups should then be represented by a umber of people, which si proportional to their population. Otherwise, this "Indigenous Voice" is apartheid, and apartheid is pure evil, and by t's very nature, it's totally corrupt.
Moderator bias. 3 vs 2 is not fair. Arguments from both sides were valid and informative. However, the moderator should not have been there. He clearly stood to one side and although explicitly announcing his opinion at the start did not moderate equally but rather joined sides.
A. Why is the government acting like aboriginals don’t have a say now, they have the same right as everyone else to speak up. Why do they need special laws that divide us by race. B. This just sounds like the government has failed to do its job now they’re looking to HAND BALL the HARD WORK to a group of people that they can then turn around and say they can’t comment on those topics because it’s a racial issue.
We had this before just a money tree for those at the top Ended up with money going missing And what will that do for those in the bush nothing It is all about power for those at the top
How can aboriginal people be excluded from the constitution, when the constitution makes no mention of colour or race? If we are a nation, one people, governed by laws, then adding anything that divides this nation, which adding a colour specific clause to the constitution will, should be rejected without conversation or debate, as being colourist, is NOT Australian, it is aboriginal.
I went into this with an open mind, but within seconds I felt that the underpaying of the issue, the half truths and just crap, has solidly brought me down on the NO side. I and my wife will be voting NO!
I was born here. What does the aboriginal people want me to do? Leave? Go where? I am not a citizen of any other country. I am honestly sorry for what happened to the indigenous people of this great land. I had nothing to do with it but I still feel for what happened. I really would love to know why I am made to feel guilty for something that I had nothing to do with. I am sick of the Aboriginal people blaming me for how they were treated in the past. They have a choice. They choose to live outside our laws and culture but want us to 100% support them. So tired of this. Aboriginal people...stand up and live in this country or go back to the ways you used live. Just choose.
That was awesome. Go Jacinta Nampijinnpa Price and Andrew Bolt. You guys nailed it and I would vote for Jacinta Price as the first ABORIGINAL WOMEN prime minister. You guys made sense and think you smashed the debate. Love you dudes, you are champs, and I'm glad you were the two people representing Australia as one country.
Jacinta price is the only one who makes complete sense. She has the knack of explaining complex things in simple terms and with rationality and logic. A sheer pleasure to hear. A fabulous leader and person.
So why aren't the current negotiation organizations making a difference? If they are not suitable, get rid of them and find one that can and does. One thing I have learned from experience is that some organizations do not want the situation to improve else they would lose their reason to exist/ and income .
Shireen makes only one great point! Native Title, or Land Rights, has been an absolute disaster for indig people. They have been given "land rights" but they have to do exactly what they're told, and that is to stay on social welfare, not create their own enterprise. They should have freehold ownership, and even more, sovereignty of those tribal lands, where they have had continuous living connection with their lands, with the exception of not being able to exclude other Australians, from free passage and trade. The state wants to keep these communities on welfare! Their greatest strategy for keeping power is to say to them, "If you vote for the other mob, they will take your benefits". I know this for a fact, a certain, very powerful trade union, goes up the cape every election, spreading this propaganda. I've even heard they pay people to vote for Labor, and fill out their ballot papers for them, which goes directly to what Jacinta was saying. So, our political elite keep people in poverty, for the purpose of control, and the agenda is for widespread poverty, for that totalitarian control, which is the NET ZERO agenda. The wild rivers act, mentioned by Shireen, is one which did that and dispossessed communities from purposeful enterprise. It has stopped things like sustainable forestry, it actually shit down a sustainable timber industry and put the community on welfare. Another is the reef protection act, where any new activity in the catchment areas, is prevented, like farming enterprises by indig communities. The "Voice" will be no different, it will be a massive fraud on all Australians, with ZERO benefit to people in indig communities. The "voice" wont change what the native title scam has done to communities.
On a panel such as this the Chair Person should be selected for his or her impartiality. Kenny is so obviously biased towards the 'Yes' vote it is unbelievable, and instead of doing his job as chairman and remaining out of the discussion and acting as a 'referee' in the panelist's debate he is constantly interrupting and pushing his own views. It reminded me more of the sort of ultra biased debate you expect to see on the ABC rather than on a Sky programme, which is usually a far more balanced and unbiased platform.
You need to get the Aboriginal people to all vote for what is important for them via a plebiscite and make it transparent and visible to all. Ask them to vote on 5 basic questions to decide. Take politics out of the process. Then bring these solutions to the whole of Australia to vote on.
We are trying to achieve equality of outcome when we are talking about closing the gap. We can only give equality of opportunity to a community and nobody can guarantee equality of outcome.
Meanwhile little kids are Dying in Labor Run Hospitals because of Useless Trainee Doctors and Nurses that don't have a clue how to treat and diagnose anyone sick especially in Emergencies Wards 👎
@@raecarver2382 all these disgusting Sneaky Diversion Tactics by Albo and his Labor colleges to the real issues in the community only shows how desperate he is for the paid for bot likes on his social media accounts 👎 Do Nothing Albo , just more bs bla blablabla 👎
And this is the kind of convoluted, head-scratching situation you end up with when you devise public policy around a classic 80's pop rock hit - no matter how good that hit is. You've got alot to answer for, Farnsey.
Forget ATSIC, what about the current National Indigenous Australians Agency, what the hell are they doing with their 1300 employees and their $5.7 billion budget?
Why is Dr Morris shouting and throwing her hands around being pretty aggressive. Can someone explain where the $30 million has gone every year for the aboriginal people, and they are still living in poor conditions. Who is spending this money and on what because it doesnt appear to be going toward education, better living conditions, programs that are really needed. Changing the constitution isnt going to fix these jobs. Who has been spending this money and on what because it doesnt appear to be going where it should. How many advisory boards are needed, is that what is sucking up all that money. Pretty disgusting if that is the case. When things arent going to plan, follow the money trail.
Yes we wouldn't have this problem today, if only we had shared equally with our first nations people from the moment this country was supposedly founded by Cook or whoever else
@Yagera Sllihs Well what if they (first nations people) turned up at your house and told you to give them, your house and everything that you own and let me kill your family if you didn't listen, how'd you feel, educate yourself.
Dean with so right we don't want panels like this we want the indoctrinated to make the decision the trouble with that is Dean didn't want to hear the truth
NO!!! Australians. .needs to know whats in the 'REAL' Constitution .. before altering it through Referendum ..but why do we throw all this money at ..the Voice .. when they already have the same as it . and very well funded! This is about extorting more of the taxpayers money .. when one already exists !!! ..and where does it leave out indigenous out of the Original Constitution ( red jacket ) NOT the green and black version ..on the .gov website thats a reprint ..and sections have been altered ! When Councils wanted to be part of Goverment ..3 Referendums said NO ! after three times that cannot be contested again ... but I noticed on b rate notice they are claiming their goverment .. so they dont care .. anyway we are all AUSTRALIANS. .THIS IS MERELY DIVIDING US FURTHER ..AND TELLING WHITES THEIR NOT AUSTRALIANS.
So which laws in Australia say except aborigines, I can't find any. So changing your constitution for something that doesn't exist to create a superior race, isn't that apartheid? Everyone has a voice, but if what your spouting is batsh*t crazy, no one listens. She complains about nepotism and then proposes a group based on pure nepotism. I'm British and if this was proposed in the UK to give our indigenous an exclusive group, every leftie on the planet would become totally apoplectic.
If it was just a voice to parliament you could see the Australian people being OK with that . However anything promoted by any current ( wef controlled) western government is always the opposite of what it is purported to be. How could anyone trust a western government ever again ! This is and will always be about power and money for a select few with little or no help for aboriginals that need help! Without details I will be voting NO!
I would love to adopt an aboriginal baby and give it a healthy, safe and loving household and give he/she all the opportunities possible they deserve that kind of a life! Unfortunately the government won't allow that!
Dr Shireen Morris' voice was making my huskies howl haha as soon as I paused the video they stop, but- hit play and back they go again. Only when she speaks!! I even tried it with other interviews with her, yep, her voice is making my three huskies go crazy!! Someone should record her voice and play it at rioters through loud speakers, I bet they all poop their pants, stop what they're doing and go home!!
Despising Murdoch as I do, I can't believe I've found the most ballanced debate on Voice here on Sky! Well chosen speakers and well moderated. Thank you.
@@beepbeep6861 They are given more privileges, money and opportunities than than any other Australians. It's their own fault if they want to drink the money and throw the opportunities away.
@@axle.australian.patriot Ask yourself this, did they ask for any of those privileges eg money etc, (As you put it), Hey mate you can stick your money, go Outback and see how privileged those first nations people are
Simplicity of it? There is nothing remotely simple about “The Voice”… There is no clarity of purpose or vision… it’s a quagmire of obfuscation and confusion.
1 minute in and C Kenny omitted he also published 2x books on pro Voice themes. Or different rules for racially different people. One system, one set of rules for all and do your best. I think there is an New saying in Hollywood is “one people, one world” I think there is also a great example across the ditch in NZ, measure not by ideology but by the results of the ideology or policy, BUT, as Justice Ruth Ginsberg in the US said. ‘Any policy measure or law enacted to solve a problem that does not have a clear aim and endpoint to what it wants to achieve is flawed”.
They have 11 elected officials in Parliament. Why do they need a Voice?
@Democratic Socialists of Australia It is called democracy quite easily understood. Socialists can go and find their own Nazi state.
Just like everyone else in Parliament, those elected officials swear their oath of allegiance to the Queen of England. So they can only represent her interests, not the interests of "Aboriginal" people.
Because ey want ass to be divide and go against witch others.Tis is Comunist agenda to divide ass people, to make They game, laying to ass, thinking we are stupid.
Isn't that a voice by definition
Unfortunately none of the elected people are actually full blood Aboriginal people there seems to be an unwritten Law in this country that they're not allowed to speak for themselves
So does that mean we need a voice for every nationality in Australia? In primary school we were taught unless you have the answer to what, when, why, where, who and how, further investigation is required. Until these questions are answered, the answer to the referendum is no.
Exactly!!! Imagine how hard any decision-making would be if each of the 278 ethnic groups in Australia, had a legal right to tell politicians what to do!!! Each, would have a group, elected by only them, and the number based on how many of them there are.
All the "Voice" actually does, is start paying a group of people in parallel parliament, of indig only people, from local communities, right through to federal parliamentarians, "advisors". Can you imagine, the local tribal councillors get paid, the regional body gets paid, the state body gets paid and the federal body gets paid. All of a sudden you have several hundred, if not a few thousand people, on the public payroll.
If the rest of every nationality had the chance you would not be standing here today consider yourself extremely luck.. Well for now anyway..!!!
This guy Mr bolt, I just don't know how he breathes today..!!
I will be voting NO!!
According to Shireen Morris, Native Title, Closing the Gap, Indigenous Heritage Protection, though well meaning, have been "comprehensive failures", how about fixing the 'comprehensive failures' that have been failing for decades, before adding what is simply a band aid like the 'Voice to Parliament' ?
'Australians' haven't failed the Indigenous people of Australia, the people that 'Australians' have paid billions, via their taxation, to, have failed the Indigenous people of Australia, through decades of mismanagement, corruption and ineptitude.
Linda Birney, the current Minister for Indigenous Affairs, according to her bio has been involved in this issue in State and Federal levels for 20 YEARS, yet the situation is, apparently, still a mess, when are the Individuals who have been chosen to oversee this debacle going to be held accountable?
Why would any Australian citizen have any confidence that a new avenue of communication, like the 'Voice' be any different from the previous failures, when it is going to be managed by the same people that have track record of utter failure?
Exactly 🎯
@@dirtgucci Exactly my sentiment.
Still undecided?? Have a look at the rally in Darwin conducted by Thomas Mayo where he thanks the “ communist comrades “for their help and support !!
I think this is potentially one of the most divisive and destructive suggestions ever made for our country. One voice for one group of Australians and one voice for another group of Australians.
It introduces an apartheid system in our country where there is one set of rules for one, and another set of rules for another.
One where we now see three flags...not one... that represents us all as a country.
And for what purpose?
It doesn't bring us together. It divides us even more.
In Malaysia there is favoured treatment for the Malay people at the expense of the Malaysian born Chinese and Indian races.
It has bred a generation of lazy Malays, who believe they are the privileged ones. It's like living in a them, and us, country, which is how I believe it will end up in Australia if this referendum gets up.
We are talking about creating separate conditions for a very small percentage of our population.
Why not one country, with one Government, representing one cohesive Australia.
Why can't our aboriginal people ( the same as all Australians) simply talk to their elected politicians when they want their voice to be heard. They, like all Australians already have a voice.
There is a lot of talk about remote communities being marginalised.
Where are the suggestions about how to solve this from the aboriginal people themselves. How will a Voice change this?
The opportunity is there now.
AGREE
Voice a huge mistake
Will cause division. Destroy our Country. Leave us all equal. Do not divide. We can all see this
Albo needs to go for.pushing division amongst us. He is dangerous!!
except in Malaysia the favourtism is towards the Majority, which represents 75% of the country population, which does not make any sense apart from gaining votes for the politicians, the minority in this case are actually the aboriginals.
Jacinta Price talks so much sense.
she is the most level headed person in the whole place, i hope more of her kind find seats.
Jacinta Price is The bye-product of 250 yrs of Judeao-Christian Civilization coalesced into 650000yrs of Dream Time populations.Capeesch
Unlike most of the wankers talking about this subject she actually comes from the bush and knows what is needed
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To me Jacinta and Andrew or what ever his name is I find that they was very rude and the other two Dean and the beautifull young lady sitting next to Dean was very humble in speaking about the voice SO FOR I'D SAY YES YES TO THE VOICE 🙏
Aboriginals currently have as much right as I do to make decisions about our lives. By formalising a process where one race has more input into national policy formalises racism.
It forever locks Aboriginals into always arguing for a special deal. They as a group need to change the mindset from compensation for the past to embracing the world as it is now. I say NO to locking everyone into a never ending discussion of the past and look to the future.
Calling this racist is like looking at two people about to race in a 100m sprint. The Aboriginal racer is placed 50m back (a total of 150m sprint) as analogous to racial discrimination of his ancestors leaving him with no intergenerational wealth setting them back socioeconomically. Then saying it would be racist to allow the Aboriginal racer to move forward 50m because that would be separating the two by their race.
We currently do not provide equal opportunity for Aboriginal people in this country. Trying to take action to resolve that inequality is literally the opposite of racist.
THEY need to stop playing victims
@@sockpastarock7082 You have no idea
@@wrj888 explain which part of my argument is wrong. Otherwise, stop whining
Exactly right Scott Curtis.
Our government said "sorry". That's a big deal. Problem with people that say they're marginalised is you give an inch, they want a mile. It's entitlement of the highest order.
It’s this sort of fear mongering that I can’t stand. What are you so afraid of. How is helping our fellow First Nations Australians create better opportunities to lift up their disadvantaged situations going to negatively affect you?
Absolutely correct!
That's how stupid the government is how can you be sorry for what someone did? You can be sorry to hear it is all.
Senator Jacinta Yangapi Nampijinpa Price has my support
Not one of the issues raised here could not be fixed by all the current First Nation providers that are in place already.
Listen to the 11 First Nation representatives that the Australian people voted for on the 21st May and are already being paid for by the taxpayers of Australia.
There is no need to waste even more money and more time for Anthony Albanese ego or Whitlam moment.
My vote is NO.
The problem is we are not allowed to say to white women that want to steal all the jobs and represent people they've never met that they're not Aboriginal and until we have the balls to do that we're going to end up in the same situation
Nooooooooooo. This obsession with defining people based on ethnicity will guarantee racism never dies.
The left: "the right are all racist hateful bigots. Anyone who doesn't agree with us is cancelled"
The right: "hey can we talk about how resegregating our society into racial groups and crying about how oppressed we are is not only non-productive, but also undermining the tremendous social reforms we've made as a society in the last X years, while also playing into the Freudian concept that the more parity society achieves, the more we pathologically feel the need to differentiate ourselves by exponentially smaller and more insignificant things, and blow them to exponentially bigger proportions?"
Left: YOU RACIST BIGGOT! YOU'RE FUCKING CANCELLED
But funny how we're not allowed to say to white women claiming to be Aboriginal to piss off and let the full bloods do the talking
Thank you for your vision
Dean Parkin, very smooth talking bloke who easily avoids answering hard questions. Like the Voice itself, do not trust either.
I'm sure the majority will see sense and vote NO. Most don't trust Albo.
@Democratic Socialists of Australia thank you for your vote to support the NO campaign.
Invaluable all round, Chris.
One unanswered question for Dean Parkin: If the Voice committees/advisory groups are to be elected by Indigenous people only, how will their indigeneity be determined?
Will they self-identify? Will formal family ancestory certificates be required? When indigenous ancestry is disputed will a race administrative tribunal decision be required?
And would non-indigenous people be eligible to be tribunal members?
This is an Orwellian nightmare compared to our existing parliamentary democracy.
I am more worried Australia has an unelected head of state and nothing can be done about it. Like a dictatorship.
@Democratic Socialists of Australia asking is the first step of knowing(and understanding)
I know people that are white as white and claim they have aboriginal heritage. Do these have to prove anything or are they taken at their word.
Im just saying because l have no idea, but as in everything in life, like the covid payments, people abuse, take advantage of the system. Look at the abuse in the NDIS.
@Democratic Socialists of Australia in other words, you don't know either.
I think it's fairly obvious that we're going to get a lot of fat white women claiming to be Aboriginal and no one is game to say anything who will be doing exactly what they've done for the last 50 years wasting lots of money and doing fk all . If it was all full bloods on the committee I think everybody would vote yes
How about a voice for all Australians ? Me as a white straight Christian and other medical labels don't feel very represented, but I work hard and pay my taxes and I don't break laws. Where is my representation/voice ?
What about orphans, what about single parent families, what about cancer patients…
Enough what aboutisms. We are talking about the voice because Aboriginal ppl a far more over represented in disadvantaged situations, financially and socially.. and that is a simple fact you can’t dispute.
@@wyattoutlaw2370 the Aboriginal 3% population have 11 reps in parliament already,
@@NoChannelChannel Yeah, the squeaky wheel gets the oil...or money in this case!
@@wyattoutlaw2370 If you are born poor that is not your fault... If you die poor that is your fault...
Personal responsibility is the biggest factor in the sovereignity of a person's life.
How arrogant, selfish and racist. "White straight christian" sums it up perfectly. Surely you must realize that only "left woke black trans they" is entitled to a view
They are already recognised in the constitution just because they are human. Indigenous Australians are 3 percent of the population and are already over represented with 11 senators. They already have a constitutional recognition for being human. A time machine would be good I know but we are here now
Equally treated holy shit, every company are bending over backwards to employ indigenous people, massive sums of cash paid to leaders for mining companies to be able to mine.
Jobs being given to in educated indigenous candidates just to passify government agencies.
4.6 billion dollars over 4 years to help indigenous people who refuse to integrate with the 97 percent of Australia.
How the flying FUCK can that be equality.
Degrees given to indigenous students while everyone else has to work hard to get the same academic result.
The goverment is racist to non indigenous people.
@Democratic Socialists of Australia I agree with you
@Democratic Socialists of Australia agree, abolish abstudy and grants (such as Indigenous housing loans, research and study grants) university courses (with specific positions for Indigenous students) Centrelink and housing assistance (Indigenous-specific) employment (Indigenous identified positions). Oh you're not going to kind for that kind of equality? Be honest, you are fighting for preferential treatment, not equality
@@playasurf1000 why 🙄
@Democratic Socialists of Australia How come all the successful Aboriginal people in the world didn`t need a voice?
I will vote NO to Apartheid.
I am white, descended from convicts and already I feel like a second rate citizen in OUR country.
One people, One Flag, One Country.
No to Division of Australia by Race.
You are not second rate in the eyes of many migrants that came pre 1980s. Australians are the ones that welcomed us and our families and gave us a helping hand to avoid becoming welfare dependent.
Convicts came to this land as ‘Refugees’ from Britain. QE-1 saw fit to transfer their incarcerated to a No man’s land to fend for themselves.Quite unawares that people already lived here !
@@ahirwan
They came as convicts if they were caught just stealing a piece of bread to survive, but what about the ones that weren't caught and yet stole?
Millions of everyday Australians never get consulted or asked 'directly; about their opinions or the effects of policy on them individually and their families (at least no more or no less). Indigenous Australians and the challenges they face are very well known, Australia has been on a long journey of reconciliation and we have come a long way. Vote. keep informed and up to date on issues. write letters to parliamentarians. engage in social discourse. The best voice is your own voice and its each individual responsibility to sharpen their voice. Getting young indigenous students to school every day will provide them a voice. Improving the quality of education in remote communities will help to raise indigenous voices. Invest in infrastructure in remote in rural communities. What about children? What about immigrants? What about those people on welfare? Do they all get a separate voice to parliament? Or are they subject to to the whims of parliament.
It’s true, but what they do is play on victimhood instead of raising themselves up and moving forward !
And while we have a PM that gets off on feeding their victimhood, strokes his own ego to gain more power and invites APARTHEID
into our Constitution , they will never attain the life their fighting for.
1:54 This sums up everything that is wrong with this. "In the past". We will always be in the past seeking some form of revenge for past mistakes. This will never end, and will be a perpetual cycle of grievance and punishment for each future generation.
7:08 It's powers will be advisory Only. We already have "Advisory" groups, so why the need for a referendum and constitutional amendment. I'm voting no just on the alarm bells ringing from that alone.
7:28 All children in this country already start with an equatable chance at life.
13:20 "Something needs to change". Yup I will say what no one want's to say and take a ban for the team. A portion of indigenous Australians have to stop playing the victim card and "Poor me" card and realize that are just as capable and have just as many opportunities for a good life as anyone else. They just have get up an make life happen.
13:30 Lets be honest, The whole point of all of these advisory groups is to take consultation from the indigenous peoples. I only get my local member for consolation, yet indigenous get an extra level of voice as well as local members.
14:16 "... It's always been informal ...", So is the change for a "Formal Voice, or as an "Advisory Voice"? See 7:08 " It's powers will be advisory Only."
22:20 Bad behavior has nothing to do with race. It's just bad behavior and the simple solution is don't participate in bad behavior, simple.
27:59 Same as above, bad behavior is bad behavior. They need to take a long hard look in the mirror and say the person "I" see in the mirror is a rubbish person and tomorrow "I" am going to make an effort to stop being a rubbish person.
32:53 This is all starting to sound like another virtue signaling exercise. Constitutionally recognized virtue signaling.
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This is not necessary, divisive, serves no practical purpose that is apparent. It comes across as virtue signally with a hidden future agenda and I will vote NO.
Not being rude but if you're going to write comments like somebody born after 1990 no one's going to read what you have to say
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Here here Jacinta ❤️❤️🇦🇺🇦🇺 We don’t know what is in this Agenda We don’t want devision.
Vote No .
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So no to apartheid.
Tell it to the British who colonized and occupy Australia.
@@lukei6255 countries throughtout the wholeworld have been colonized by others. Its called history. The english had many people that went into their country the Romans for one.Its called the history of the world. Doesnt anyone read, research other countries these days. Probably explains peoples narrow of things. What about Asian countries and there history.
You made up my mind and the answer is, NO ! I can feel a bunfight coming. How can you expect people to vote for something they know nothing about ? THE FOURTH FAMOUS PROMISE !
Australia, as a continent is 10 to 50 million years old. If Aboriginals have (really) been here for 60 000 years, and Australia is say (at the middle point) 30 million years old then that means that indigenous people have occupied the continent for only 1/500th of the time that is has existed. "Always was"? NO. Australia does not belong to the Aboriginals.
Yes always was always 💯 will be!😁
Parkin keeps on saying that Aussies back the Voice, bullshit.
Jacinta said it all
Why are we voting on something that has not been drafted yet there is nothing in writing yet isn't that like giving someone a signed blank cheque?
Exactly.
Yep, just vote No
@@iggyblitz8739 Chile just had a referendum to change their Constitution. Also voted 'No'. Hooray! Small steps, big possibilities.
The indigenous argument summarized: Things have failed before, we have no idea how this "Voice" is going to work, and give us more endless money to squander in the process.
The reason why it failed was because we had white people claiming to be Aboriginal in charge now until we address that issue we're not going to get anywhere
RIGHT ON.
No. Definatly no. The two in favour have made my mide up for me. NO!
Time for change is correct, but not as Dean presents. It's time for indigenous Australians to apply themselves to learning.
Time for change is the Labor logo, this is designed purely to get a further $4 billion dollars out of the tax payers pocket and nothing to do with this elaborate scam. If it's not a scam then why not use the existing monies correctly and replace the organisation's that are not performing and are corrupt.
Then they will apply that learning to make up new perceived grievances.
look at the arrogance of Dean Parkin when he says "I will put those two people on the voice". It is clear this voice is all about people like Dean to gather more Power and Exercise it on the rest of the community. Indigenous people need to be saved first from people like Dean.
What, “No one denies the shame of indigenous disadvantage in this country” CKenny.
I reject that I or my Family do anything to promote indigenous disadvantage or support anything that would disadvantage any fellow citizens, period. That doesn’t matter on their sex, colour, heritage or religion.
Here’s the deal Kenny, you, me, anyone in Australia can come from anywhere in the world, anywhere in this country and through education (mostly free and subsidised), discipline, hard work, good choices, and perseverance (and a sprinkling of luck to boot) can become ANYTHING. That is the rare and wonderful thing about Australia.
As you sit there with an old white male (immigrant) and an indigenous woman (on the same opinion) and a boy from a single parent on welfare holding the highest office in the land ( PM Albanese) you are seriously trying to tell Australia that we are racist and there is massive gaps in opportunities based on gender, race and sociology economic beginnings??
REALITY CHECK.
Something needs to change, it’s not a voice but an investigation on how our money is spent. An audit on where this enormous amount of money is going.
When you see this Australian Indian lawyer remember that AOC's BBB architect who was a Hindu from Texas said that BBB was not about the environment but the transfer of wealth. The same is the case here.
Go Jacinta ❤ and Andrew ❤
How can this be a fair debate , when the mediator himself admits to supporting one side, he needed to be totally neutral!
If it's only 'advisary' anyway, then why bother with it? If it's anything more, then it's a policy that separates us by race.
If you want to end racism, then STOP obsessing over race.
When people have issues in their personal lives, whatever their race, then they should be dealt with on an individual needs basis.
We can't be fairer than that.
Hear!, Hear!
So if child A is born to a poor household and child B is born to a rich household, is it individually child A's fault and responsibility to equalise that discrepancy? How is that fair? It's through no cause or fault of either child that they are in either position but your solution is to just tell them it's their problem to deal with individually and that it's fair. You're wrong.
If we want to provide equality of opportunity to each of these children we necessarily must redistribute resources from child B to child A. Currently, Aboriginal children are overwhelmingly represented by the circumstance of child A. It's a socioeconomic issue that is drawn upon racial lines due to the historical racial abuse which caused it in the first place. Telling people to stop obsessing about race is silly because this issue was caused by racism and we can't ignore that. Giving those affected communities some greater access to determination of distributions of resources absolutely helps to take us a step closer to equality of opportunity.
@@sockpastarock7082 What a complete load of rubbish. In Australia everyone has the same access to schooling.
@@axle.australian.patriot what are you talking about? Private school and public school are not the same at all. There is a reason why wealthy families will choose to pay tens of thousands of dollars to send their children to private schools instead of public schools. Further, public schools in the west have less resources than those in the city. Kids of wealthy families can afford to receive private tutoring as well. Not to mention they can more easily afford to go through university.
@@sockpastarock7082 Everyone has access to the minimum level of schooling
Jacinta Nampijinpa Price; Isn't she just the best representative as an Indigenous voice to Parliament? She's lived this stuff for decades. She knows what needs to be done. It's not a voice to Parliament that's required, it's a process to fix what we already know is broken. If this were a business to build it's strength, they would ensure the process that was authorised by the executive level or (aka The Government,) is being followed and reported on to show the successes and failures of its goals. For every Tom, Dick and Harry to have a "Voice" is ludicrous to think it will matter. Government, get off your arse and create a department that can work with our indigenous people to create real change to set goals and honest reporting.
How about we let "Indigenous" people decide who is the best person to represent them and their issues, instead of deciding for them ?
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@Jonquil I agree.... It's not about race. It's about the people who are most qualified to represent "Aboriginal" communities....qualifications which must include a lived experience of what its like to actually be apart of those communities, and the ability to speak their language/s. They must also have the trust of the people, and most importantly their full support to help bring the changes they seek.
That being said, can you name one single politician who ticks even just one those boxes ? Or any white person ?
Congratulations on getting Jacinta Price "elected", but being apart of the CLP she has no power in Parliament, and absolutely no support from "Aboriginal" communities within her electorate. Not only that, but she has never lived in an "Aboriginal" community, and doesn't speak any language apart from English. So what on earth makes you think she's qualified to represent anyone apart from the white Conservatives who elected her ? Those communities are calling for a representative democracy, not the same old communist dictatorship which they've had to endure for the past decades.
@Jonquil ofcourse I know. I'm "Aboriginal" myself, and have seen the petitions which have been circulating the internet for years - denouncing JP. No "Aboriginal" community supports her. Andrew Bolt mentions it himself during the "debate". It's the main reason why Jacinta doesn't support a "Voice", because she knows for a fact that "Aboriginal" people will never elect her to represent them. Never....but that's OK. She'll still have a job representing the people who actually elected her - white conservatives. Good luck with it 🙂
@@beepbeep6861 don't they have 11 representatives In parliament? Didn't they vote for them?? If they are not doing their job, do what the rest of us have to do: vote them out!
As a non indigenous people, I felt my voice wasn’t heart either. The interest rate is going high, the grocery and utilities expenses are getting expensive, lots of non indigenous families struggle to put food on the table. What this country is going to do to make sure our voice is heard? If government keep playing dumb and deaf on Australian people voice, it won’t make any difference to have one more “voice” in parliament!
Thankyou all but I vote no. Great debate. I used to assist in theatre mending broken jaws wiring them shut till it healed which quite often got rebroken. My heart felt every break, blackeyes and horrific injuries. I witnessed tribal wars where women shaved their head so they couldn't be grab and dragged by their hair. This is the complete opposite to the peaceful city indigenous. Im with Jacinta on this.
The truth is though the voice to parliament may be well intentioned, it will end up being a waste of money as Andrew Bolt pointed out. We are handing more concessions and money to the Aboriginal community but at the end of the day it is the way they are raised. When we can instill good behavior in the children, then they can be profitable members of society and can affect change in their communities.
This guy hardly asked Jacinta a question, just keeps bypassing her, while she sits with Authenticity, I think he is so rude !!
AGREE
This was a year ago and the PM and Government have still provided no detail on what it will look like. And Jacinta has just made more and more sense as evidenced by her National Press Club address.
So lets stop making laws and bodies that are specific to aboriginal bodies and treat everyone the same, can't get anymore equal than that
The English need to pack and leave. They are the ones who made specific laws for themselves in Australia.
@@lukei6255 you don't count.
@Democratic Socialists of Australia Well we certainly don't have inherent racial bias in Australia. And even if you are right about inherent bias your suggesting to fix this by implementing an overtly racist institution into parliament
@@lukei6255 So if the english pack and leave what would you be left with? hardly utopia. I think your position is inherently discriminatory
@Democratic Socialists of Australia And you are suggesting to fix this by instituting an inherently racially biased institution into parliament. I mean it is really starting to head down the path of aparteit
Should other ethnic groups in Australia, all have a legally binding right to tell government what to do when anything is decided, which might effect that community? There are 278 ethnic groups in Australia. If one group, of just 3% of the population, must have a legally binding say in all legislation, and even be able to change our constitution, then all 278 ethnic groups must be represented, with their own "Voice to Parliament" group of people, individually elected by only the members of those ethnic groups. These groups should then be represented by a umber of people, which si proportional to their population.
Otherwise, this "Indigenous Voice" is apartheid, and apartheid is pure evil, and by t's very nature, it's totally corrupt.
Slice it & dice it anyway you like it's still another form of apartheid .
Moderator bias. 3 vs 2 is not fair.
Arguments from both sides were valid and informative. However, the moderator should not have been there. He clearly stood to one side and although explicitly announcing his opinion at the start did not moderate equally but rather joined sides.
A. Why is the government acting like aboriginals don’t have a say now, they have the same right as everyone else to speak up. Why do they need special laws that divide us by race.
B. This just sounds like the government has failed to do its job now they’re looking to HAND BALL the HARD WORK to a group of people that they can then turn around and say they can’t comment on those topics because it’s a racial issue.
How about remove all monies from communities and introduce personal incentives.
We had this before just a money tree for those at the top Ended up with money going missing And what will that do for those in the bush nothing It is all about power for those at the top
How can aboriginal people be excluded from the constitution, when the constitution makes no mention of colour or race? If we are a nation, one people, governed by laws, then adding anything that divides this nation, which adding a colour specific clause to the constitution will, should be rejected without conversation or debate, as being colourist, is NOT Australian, it is aboriginal.
I went into this with an open mind, but within seconds I felt that the underpaying of the issue, the half truths and just crap, has solidly brought me down on the NO side.
I and my wife will be voting NO!
Meanwhile cost of living doesn't get a mention let alone a debate.
I was born here. What does the aboriginal people want me to do? Leave? Go where? I am not a citizen of any other country.
I am honestly sorry for what happened to the indigenous people of this great land. I had nothing to do with it but I still feel for what happened.
I really would love to know why I am made to feel guilty for something that I had nothing to do with. I am sick of the Aboriginal people blaming me for how they were treated in the past. They have a choice. They choose to live outside our laws and culture but want us to 100% support them.
So tired of this. Aboriginal people...stand up and live in this country or go back to the ways you used live. Just choose.
In regards to this talk, jacinta price's voice was cut off many times but all in all, it was a fair and constructive debate.
I don't think the moderator was a good choice.
That was awesome. Go Jacinta Nampijinnpa Price and Andrew Bolt. You guys nailed it and I would vote for Jacinta Price as the first ABORIGINAL WOMEN prime minister. You guys made sense and think you smashed the debate. Love you dudes, you are champs, and I'm glad you were the two people representing Australia as one country.
This is the kind of debate the ABC could learn from. No name-calling, no bullying. And a NO vote for me!
Hang on. Aboriginal Australia already has a voice. It's Jacinta.
What defines aboriginal issues? What if aboriginal issues conflict with other peoples issues wheres their representation?
Jacinta price is the only one who makes complete sense. She has the knack of explaining complex things in simple terms and with rationality and logic. A sheer pleasure to hear. A fabulous leader and person.
Jacinta should be PM not that lightweight we've got now
So why aren't the current negotiation organizations making a difference? If they are not suitable, get rid of them and find one that can and does. One thing I have learned from experience is that some organizations do not want the situation to improve else they would lose their reason to exist/ and income .
$34b a year is not enough😅
It's awesome they put this on TH-cam
Shireen makes only one great point! Native Title, or Land Rights, has been an absolute disaster for indig people. They have been given "land rights" but they have to do exactly what they're told, and that is to stay on social welfare, not create their own enterprise. They should have freehold ownership, and even more, sovereignty of those tribal lands, where they have had continuous living connection with their lands, with the exception of not being able to exclude other Australians, from free passage and trade.
The state wants to keep these communities on welfare! Their greatest strategy for keeping power is to say to them, "If you vote for the other mob, they will take your benefits". I know this for a fact, a certain, very powerful trade union, goes up the cape every election, spreading this propaganda. I've even heard they pay people to vote for Labor, and fill out their ballot papers for them, which goes directly to what Jacinta was saying. So, our political elite keep people in poverty, for the purpose of control, and the agenda is for widespread poverty, for that totalitarian control, which is the NET ZERO agenda.
The wild rivers act, mentioned by Shireen, is one which did that and dispossessed communities from purposeful enterprise. It has stopped things like sustainable forestry, it actually shit down a sustainable timber industry and put the community on welfare. Another is the reef protection act, where any new activity in the catchment areas, is prevented, like farming enterprises by indig communities.
The "Voice" will be no different, it will be a massive fraud on all Australians, with ZERO benefit to people in indig communities. The "voice" wont change what the native title scam has done to communities.
agree 💯
Dr. Morris you are not telling us the truth. this is MORE than an advisory board.
Vote NO 👍👍👍🇦🇺😎
I thought that ~ The our *Current 🇦🇺 National Anthem ~ 👍STATES that 》 "WE ARE *ONE✅ & FREE ✅ 👏 😍
Education and I mean a proper education where you are taught to think for yourself.
The Voice will seal the fate for Australia for good.
RIP Australia and what's left of it.⚰️🙏🏾
RIP your colonial Australia 😂
If this gets through, and if Dan Andrews wins this coming election. I'm moving abroad. Australia is finished!
@@jameson2511 Start packing
@@jameson2511 I prefer to sit on the fence and watch the Country turn to crap. Lol
@@whiskeygamer9402 You're afraid, very afraid
On a panel such as this the Chair Person should be selected for his or her impartiality. Kenny is so obviously biased towards the 'Yes' vote it is unbelievable, and instead of doing his job as chairman and remaining out of the discussion and acting as a 'referee' in the panelist's debate he is constantly interrupting and pushing his own views. It reminded me more of the sort of ultra biased debate you expect to see on the ABC rather than on a Sky programme, which is usually a far more balanced and unbiased platform.
Biggest Issue of a generation??? Ffs are you kidding.
Vote no and move on!
You need to get the Aboriginal people to all vote for what is important for them via a plebiscite and make it transparent and visible to all. Ask them to vote on 5 basic questions to decide. Take politics out of the process. Then bring these solutions to the whole of Australia to vote on.
We are trying to achieve equality of outcome when we are talking about closing the gap. We can only give equality of opportunity to a community and nobody can guarantee equality of outcome.
YES
Meanwhile little kids are Dying in Labor Run Hospitals because of Useless Trainee Doctors and Nurses that don't have a clue how to treat and diagnose anyone sick especially in Emergencies Wards 👎
New born babies given 6 panadol and they wonder why their dying.
@@raecarver2382 all these disgusting Sneaky Diversion Tactics by Albo and his Labor colleges to the real issues in the community only shows how desperate he is for the paid for bot likes on his social media accounts 👎
Do Nothing Albo , just more bs bla blablabla 👎
And this is the kind of convoluted, head-scratching situation you end up with when you devise public policy around a classic 80's pop rock hit - no matter how good that hit is. You've got alot to answer for, Farnsey.
Forget ATSIC, what about the current National Indigenous Australians Agency, what the hell are they doing with their 1300 employees and their $5.7 billion budget?
Should be ongoing debate programmes every week leading up to the vote with different people debating 😊
It is racist. It only affects 3% of the population who use 30 billion per year.
Why is Dr Morris shouting and throwing her hands around being pretty aggressive.
Can someone explain where the $30 million has gone every year for the aboriginal people, and they are still living in poor conditions. Who is spending this money and on what because it doesnt appear to be going toward education, better living conditions, programs that are really needed. Changing the constitution isnt going to fix these jobs.
Who has been spending this money and on what because it doesnt appear to be going where it should.
How many advisory boards are needed, is that what is sucking up all that money. Pretty disgusting if that is the case.
When things arent going to plan, follow the money trail.
Why can't the Government just govern for the people that it represents.
Equal voice to all , this is racist 🏴🇬🇧
You don't even belong with those flags in Australia. So be quiet!
Yes we wouldn't have this problem today, if only we had shared equally with our first nations people from the moment this country was supposedly founded by Cook or whoever else
@Yagera Sllihs Well what if they (first nations people) turned up at your house and told you to give them, your house and everything that you own and let me kill your family if you didn't listen, how'd you feel, educate yourself.
The Moderator can't help but put his thumb on the scale every so often, aside from that it was well done.
Moderators should not take sides.
Andrew has the best understanding of this whole fiasco!
Dean with so right we don't want panels like this we want the indoctrinated to make the decision the trouble with that is Dean didn't want to hear the truth
41:38 Chris, you're not a debater, you're a moderator. Know your place.
NO!!! Australians. .needs to know whats in the 'REAL' Constitution .. before altering it through Referendum ..but why do we throw all this money at ..the Voice .. when they already have the same as it . and very well funded!
This is about extorting more of the taxpayers money .. when one already exists !!! ..and where does it leave out indigenous out of the
Original Constitution ( red jacket ) NOT the green and black version ..on the .gov website thats a reprint ..and sections have been altered !
When Councils wanted to be part of Goverment ..3 Referendums said NO ! after three times that cannot be contested again ... but I noticed on b rate notice they are claiming their goverment .. so they dont care .. anyway we are all AUSTRALIANS. .THIS IS MERELY DIVIDING US FURTHER ..AND TELLING WHITES THEIR NOT AUSTRALIANS.
So which laws in Australia say except aborigines, I can't find any. So changing your constitution for something that doesn't exist to create a superior race, isn't that apartheid? Everyone has a voice, but if what your spouting is batsh*t crazy, no one listens. She complains about nepotism and then proposes a group based on pure nepotism.
I'm British and if this was proposed in the UK to give our indigenous an exclusive group, every leftie on the planet would become totally apoplectic.
Great episode, it’s a shame this sort of thing is longer welcome on mainstream media 😢
If it was just a voice to parliament you could see the Australian people being OK with that . However anything promoted by any current ( wef controlled) western government is always the opposite of what it is purported to be. How could anyone trust a western government ever again ! This is and will always be about power and money for a select few with little or no help for aboriginals that need help! Without details I will be voting NO!
Fine, no western ideals. Go back to the bush i guess
Albanese has divided the country, and he should stand down as PM.
Jacinta Price and Andrew Bolt destroyed their opposition in this debate. I feel the penny dropped for Kenny tonight.
I would love to adopt an aboriginal baby and give it a healthy, safe and loving household and give he/she all the opportunities possible they deserve that kind of a life! Unfortunately the government won't allow that!
Because the Aboriginals don't want that.
Dr Shireen Morris' voice was making my huskies howl haha as soon as I paused the video they stop, but- hit play and back they go again. Only when she speaks!! I even tried it with other interviews with her, yep, her voice is making my three huskies go crazy!!
Someone should record her voice and play it at rioters through loud speakers, I bet they all poop their pants, stop what they're doing and go home!!
The idea that there's a debate worth having is the biggest success of this debate.
The Voice sounds like a gameshow rather than a serious parliamentary commitee
So obviously billions of $ spent doesnt give you a voice or cure the problem !!!
very impressed sky,for hosting this debate 👍🏾
Despising Murdoch as I do, I can't believe I've found the most ballanced debate on Voice here on Sky! Well chosen speakers and well moderated. Thank you.
Well moderated?
VOTE NO - every Australian should be equal, with equal rights.
Would you like to be treated the way our first nations people are treated
@@beepbeep6861 They are given more privileges, money and opportunities than than any other Australians. It's their own fault if they want to drink the money and throw the opportunities away.
@@axle.australian.patriot Ask yourself this, did they ask for any of those privileges eg money etc, (As you put it), Hey mate you can stick your money, go Outback and see how privileged those first nations people are
@Yagera Sllihs Where's your proof?
@Yagera Sllihs You're getting off track
Its a big NO for me
show us were the Billions that have gone to fixing this has already been spent,
Simplicity of it? There is nothing remotely simple about “The Voice”…
There is no clarity of purpose or vision… it’s a quagmire of obfuscation and confusion.
1 minute in and C Kenny omitted he also published 2x books on pro Voice themes. Or different rules for racially different people. One system, one set of rules for all and do your best.
I think there is an New saying in Hollywood is “one people, one world”
I think there is also a great example across the ditch in NZ, measure not by ideology but by the results of the ideology or policy, BUT, as Justice Ruth Ginsberg in the US said.
‘Any policy measure or law enacted to solve a problem that does not have a clear aim and endpoint to what it wants to achieve is flawed”.