Will the Voice to Parliament fix First Nations issues? | 60 Minutes Australia
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It started as a simple and without doubt honourable thought, as well as a long overdue opportunity to do good by recognising indigenous Australians in our nation’s constitution. But then politics took over. The proposed Voice to Parliament is now mired in complication and confusion, with fear being used to fuel its almost certain failure.
As Amelia Adams reports, instead of being history-making the referendum is set to be nation-dividing. So how and why did it get to this?
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I am a proud indigenous Australian. I will be voting NO. This type of thing has no place in our country. We are ONE. We are Australians. That is all. What example does this set. In my mind it's opening the door to every group and 'I feel marginalised' community to want their own individual voices to be heard by parliament. Then even less will be done and more money wasted while we cater to the demands of a few loud voices seeking personal gain while claiming to represent various issues...
wow, spot on !! 😀
@LukaViberg - I would gladly elect you to a position of power, just like Jacinta (who ought to be PM in my opinion). Skin colour or cultural background does not dictate who is smart, or fair, or even greedy. Everyone can grift, but only folks like yourself get the big picture, and I truly wish you the very best in life :)
Very well said
Thanks mate
We're one people
Much respect!
All Australians have an Equal voice with our Vote. We have 11 Indigenous Australians in Parliament. I will be Voting no to this divisive proposal. Just the idea of the Voice has caused Australia to be more divided that ever. As time passes by I am also seeing more and more Indigenous Australians saying they don't want it.
No more Immigration
10 in parliament. Gordon Reid is a joke…he has no more experience being Aboriginal than does Gordon Ramsay
@@jaymcbakerk11 federal and 26 total state and federal
Australians are divided every time time they walk into a voting booth. I hear what you are saying, but I think you (and others) have overthought it. Furthermore, the fact there are 11 indigenous Australians in Parliament is why the Voice to Parliament is necessary. Communities often disagree with politicians. Small communities are often overlooked by politicians, be they indigenous or non-indigenous. How else can anyone explain why the booze-ban in Northern Territory was allowed to expire in 2022, without pleas from those communities being heard. Politicians focus on there own LGA’s and this is why the Voice to parliament has been proposed. I hope people reading this take time to think it through.
@@joshuashaw9457 did they go to their local member and tell them they want it to continue, like the rest of us have to? Or did they sit quiet and didn’t say a thing?
It comes down to a basic question. Should we all be treated equal under the laws of the land or not? If you think yes, Vote No.
okay No it is
yes is the right thing to do
Well the black fellas in the bush aren't going to be treated any better that is a lie and probably why they're not allowed anywhere near the media whatsoever because they will spill the beans on the white Aboriginal corruption
Yes will divide us more. Work better with the reprasentatives you already have. Make sure the money and help goes to those who need it. Not into the wrong hands.
The Voice has no answers , no explanations. Let the already indigenous reprasenatives in Govt work better with there people. Ban alcohol. Send the children to school. Learn a trade that is so badly needed and let them feel good about their achievements.lets all walk proudly together .
We cannot vote for something very serious in changing our constitution with no understanding of it.
My heart went out to the man saying he would like his children to go to school and get a job. Let all this talk help all to do better with what we already have to work with. God Bless all.
@@veenacriddle1207 only hate divides. I haven't seen one Yes voter post anything hateful or negative at all. The no vote is where the fire and hate is spewing from.
Good report. I'm voting no because there is zero room for racial division in this country, period. The Voice is wrong on principle.
people vote No from the soul and we become like Family by the Heart
King Noel Billy coke bottle living the life as a Comi activist never worked driving the gravy train
How unaware can you be if you don't think there is already racial division in this country. Wake up
@@annecrestani9218this won't make it any better.
The truth is the country has always been divided. In the late 60's a referendum was held to start counting aboriginals in the federal census.
Vote NO to division.
Voice for big mouth Bailey and put her in your lease .
Vote yes for First nations people and their welfare.
@@AdamSandaver over 30billion dollars a year is spent on that.
@@AdamSandaverYou should care about the welfare of all Australians
I wish we were a little more intelligent than just a catchphrase Google divided us long ago into left and right and God knows what. I'm more concerned about 40 billion dollars being spent on people like Noel Pearson but not people in the bush who are sleeping under bits of corrugated iron
A great question for Anthony Albanese would be: is he willing to pay for a contractor that had no end date and no exact cost, he just has to keep giving a blank check forever? I don't think he would sign up for that. Hypocrite.
Albo-sleeze tells everyone else to read the 270page Calma Langton report but can't be bothered reading 20 page invoice from the wallet?!😡 Terrible hypocrite. VOTE NO!
He would if the Australian taxpayer footed the bill
We saw the way this so called caring government showed how much they cared for the problems the aboriginal community in Alice Springs faced by not showing up to one council meeting in Alice springs. Albo and Linda Burney couldn't care less about the aboriginals.
In the last week there is a nursing home that has been broken into twice during the night the residents are living in absolute fear and it doesn't even make the news let alone even attract the attention of the government. In the last week someone was stabbed doesn't make the news people have had their houses broken into cars smashed police have been hospitalised through rock throwing none of it makes the news because it's Alice. How many backpackers have gone home horrified at what they saw
I always pay the fine vs voting, but I will be making sure vote NO, dividing the country is a terrible idea.
Looking at New Zealand its only made thing worse as it's a total mess. More reason to vote NO
You pay the fine? Bro, if you don't want your vote to count, show up, take the ballot, scribble a smiley face on it then place it in the ballot box. Your vote won't count plus you don't get fined 🤔🤔
same with Canda millions in extra tax, 0 change for the ppl it was to help,
@@wtfire a smiley face is classed as a YES vote.
Showing up to vote is registering yourself under their Admiralty system, marking yourself off the list. Registering with the AEC is agreeing to take away your rights. Because when you register something with the grubberment, you are giving up ownership. Rather than paying the fine, you are better to learn about common law. You can have yourself taken off the electoral role, you can return letter unopened "UNCLAIMED" or you can learn divine sovereignty, send them your fee schedule then notice them and charge them for your services. Start with the first two.
@@wtfirethat was his point it's not going to help anyone write no ✌️
What will The Voice achieve that Linda Burney can't achieve as the minister of Aboriginal Affairs?
When the Libs get in, she cannot be kicked out.
True indigenous living on country don’t want it… listen to their voice not the opinions of advocates.
You have no evidence to back up such a sweeping generalisation
@@annecrestani9218 living and working in Australia’s most remote and violent indigenous community on indigenous land, I think that qualifies as evidence. Also note my wording I state “true indigenous living on country” not city indigenous.
is that the 4 people you spoke to. Indigenous leaders are there because they've spent their life working for it.
I spoke to councillors, elders and the residents. I lived there for 2 years so knew and still know many people from the community. Have you lived on country in a indigenous community?
The WA cultural heritage act attacking farmers and conservationists rights to dig holes caused the public to question their beliefs about the intentions of labour and indigenous leaders across this nation. If small farms and landcare will be a thing of the past with a voice to parliament, the people won’t allow it. And after WA opened our eyes to the massive threat it poses, there’s not going to be time to undo that damage before we go to the polls.
I'm sorry, did you just equate overseas controlled mining operations ripping apart massive swathes of the country as "digging holes"?
@@TheIsioisihe is not talking about Juukan gorge, he’s talking about the farmers that couldn’t dig a hole on their own property and the councils that wanted to plan-trees along the swan river but got blackmailed for 2.5 million dollars just to dig some holes!
@@TheIsioisi no, the opposite. Mining should be legislated, or heritage sites should be subject to compulsory acquisition, taken away from and protected from mining companies. Why on earth do mining companies own land with significant sites in the first place?! It’s a travesty!
But the WA cultural heritage act didn’t fix any of those issues, in fact in order for mining to continue wherever they like, all they need to do is offer the minister of indigenous affairs a cushy position after his term expires and they can bypass the entire process. Meanwhile we can’t dig through coffee rock and hard pan to establish trees here at landcare! Regenerative ag farms can not do the same nor put in swales to drought proof the landscape. No one can even put in fence posts under this act. None of the environmentally active community has money or corrupt connections to bypass this law!!
The whole thing is sick!
We get punished! The very people who have always protected the land! And mining gets away with what they’ve done scott free!
The WA cultural heritage act was a massive scam! Disgraceful!
Ask the government or community leaders what on earth were they thinking and you either get crickets or they ignore the facts entirely and double down on wanting it to be permanent!! What the?!?!
Mining companies are funding the “yes” campaign. Think about that.
There’s something really wrong going on here. Vote “no”.
NO! No way am I voting for this voice to parliament. They aren't telling us enough about it.
You can pretty much find all the information you could possibly ever want through a 10 minute read through Wikipedia.
It's unbiased too
Of course they are! You just don't want to listen!
@@wekeem7071 You'll be so happy, I changed my mind!! I'm voting "yes". I did a lot more research into the voice and now understand what it means. My initial comment was completely ignorant, although I still think that the wording of the voice is too complicated for most people who aren't interested in politics... That was/is me.
News Corp are about to have a Royal Commission due to the misinformation. There's other places to be informed though. I have researched it for 2 months and am voting YES. So much bullshit out there.
One country = One nation . Vote NO to division
Now can we have a referendum to close down private schools? They divide the nation based on religion and have covered up tonnes of child abuse.
Actually the Australian constitution has always divided by race. Section 51xxvi "The race power" subsection
Billions of Tax Payer dollars are spent on Aboriginal affairs every year. Where are the measures of positive outcomes for Aboriginals? We don't need a voice, we need an independent annual audit showing what is being achieved and at what cost.
The billions spent isn't getting results. The outgoings will be reduced when the actual issues can be resolved, that's the whole point.
@@MissFarnsey The only thing it will achieve is the rich getting richer at the expense of those who need it the most.
and once the books are tallied then what?
The measures are called, 'Close the Gap', an open access website. Targets are not being met.
Noel Pearson is one of the main people here. Brought up in cities, went to private boarding schools, all the best money can buy. He has no heritage associated with aboriginals except for his name!
Yup, generally speaking all these bleeding hearts that are voting yes have never spoken to an aboriginal. I was born and raised in country WA, when I would discuss issues on aboriginals with my mates, I was called a racist for some of my takes. Fast forward to a night out, a friendly but drunk aboriginal sat with us. Some of my mates were scared, others were on edge. He was a human, just a chill human coming for a chat. Yet I’m the one that “others” them. Crazy haha
Urban Aboriginals are still aboriginal. You might not be aware, but to say that aboriginals have to live and look a certain way is racism.
They already have representation. . . Jacinta Price is one such representative who is a voice of reason.
How about the aborginal men take responsibility for their communities that are suffering from alcoholism, drug abuse, domestic violence, pedophilia, crime etc.
Lead by example.
I remember back in the 70' & 80's all u heard on the ABC was how hard done by were the aborginines.
Nothing has changed, only gotten worse.
Unfortunately many people in our country, not just Aboriginal, have been conditioned to think only government can save them. Very scary stuff when you hand all your power and responsibility over to someone else.
Not only aboriginal men drink either. Get a grown point of view please
@@amanda-zn7bl aren't we talking about aboriginal communities, how they are to be represented and the solutions.
I didn't realize the voice included Europeans as well.
Who can guarantee there's always indigenous representatives in parliament? Jacinta said voting for her is the answer in the interview. Sounds like she's doing it for herself. She didn't suggest a better alternative. Getting the Voice in the constitution is a solution proposed by indigenous leaders from all states. It is a power for them to influence policies that's going to affect them. It's a solid way forward.
@@vinkc it's not a "solid" way forward at all. It's nothing more than tokenistic virtue signalling. Indigenous people already have a say in how their communities are run, along with lots of funding. I have a solution: stop differentiating people based on their color/race/ethnicity. Have laws that are fair and equal for all Australians. I understand that huge injustices happened in the past but we can't be held responsible for that, many Australians aren't even of British descent, instead how about we treat everyone equally and stop treating Aboriginal people like helpless victims of history. They can rise above it and they don't need permission from anyone, least of all government, to do that. A victim mentality has never helped anyone overcome their issues, nor does it empower, rather quite the opposite.
I’d love to know how the voice would tackle youth crime, school absentee rates and quality of living that couldn’t be done right now. Otherwise I’m voting no
To really change these items it must come form the individuals or families themselves. Take youth crime. Where are the families or community members when groups of young people (from all races) are conducting antisocial behaviours? Yet they will be the first to explode if something happens to them. No amount of government funds are going to change the attitudes and beahvious of individuals and families to get this change. The opportunities for turning ones life around in australia are enormous. One just needs to take it up!!
We already have multiple indigenous voices in parliament. On a state and federal level. I've been around it all my life. I've seen the money wasted, the resources taken to better the lives of the few at the expense of the many. The money and effort poured into the indigenous community in Australia to me looks just like the welfare that goes into Africa. It's taken by those at the top. And almost nothing reaches those that really need it. It's absolutely horrible to see.
@MrMarkguth - Mate, I hate to say it, but given the chance this is how The Voice will propose addressing these problems: Youth crime - Indigenous Australians are entitled to steal, destroy & harm with no response from police or the courts. Absentee rates: Attendance is now non-compulsory. Quality of living - why, of course, by taxing all non-indigenous Australians and/or corporations to 'pay their rent' & provide the means for a comfortable life. For all time.
@mitchmccarron8337 yep. It's happening already. I am indigenous and I cop it for my mob non stop because I refuse to take a free ride. I get accused of being to white. I'm 50/50... then white lefties accuse me of being right wing because I speak up about the absolutely shit way kids in indigenous communities are being raised.
I've just launched a not for profit organisation with several other local indigenous people to provide meals to kids at school. Even one to take home. Mentoring by indigenous people who have been there done that and know where it leads. By men and women who have turned their lives around to hopefully guide these kids to a better life. But it's got to start with the young. Keep them in school and in sports. Get them out on the land and ocean. Rebuild their connection to country. That's the key in my opinion. Not pouring money into it. But by lifting up the kids we can make a change.
@@NoWayErn Isn't that what the Voice will fix? Create programs to help the Aboriginal family unit? Isn't the complaint is that we spend billions of dollars on these Aboriginal issues but it doesn't work because the current management is crap and "the Voice" will fix this?
“All the Voice can do is make representations to the govt”……nope, as a Constitutional entity it could tie up the govt for years with legal challenges on anything it disagrees with
What an insane comment. The RBA, state governments, high court, Treasury, federal police and the defence force are all constitutional entities. When was the last time the army mounted a legal challenge? What a twit.
@@nickatnights The voice, if made into the constitution, will tie up the government on anything it disagrees with. That's its purpose. And also to pay reparations. I'm not voting to become a 2nd class citizen.
@nickatnights tell me you have no idea about Federal Politics again 😅
Good! Seen what's happening at Barrup Hub? We need a Voice to stop Adani coming in and destroying Australia
Which of the Aboriginal languages will Qantas choose to address it's passengers in ?
ENGLISH! The language of us "oppressors"... Hypocrites! VOTE NO!
No mire Immigration
@@blox82Vote Yes and the Voice will stop the Imnigration Invasion
@karenvrcsei4217 immigrants are the ones who work their arses off & build this country! I'd much prefer grateful immigrants who want to work & contribute vs entitled, rent seeking ATSI's like mayo/thorpe who want to "tear down" my country. I cannot wait to VOTE NO! ♥️💪💪👍
@@karenvecsei4217 Australia was built upon & needs continued future immigration. IV got no problem with immigrants - IV got a big problem with the racist unnecessary voice. Let's all VOTE NO! 💪💪
Will a Voice to parliament ensure that funds get to those in need? Of course not!
Good Point.
Hardly any mobs will be represented let alone receive money from the common- wealth,
where it’s needed.
it's to stop wasting funds! No point throwing out cash unless it's going to work.
I came from a divided country to Australia and now Australia is wanting to introduce a division to the country. I’m voting NO
Australia's always been divided stop playing the victim johnny come lately.
I read a study awhile ago that looked at the human development of indigenous persons in USA, Canada, New Zealand and Australia in terms of life expectancy, incarceration rates, income, etc and all 4 countries were not great. That suggests that what has been established in New Zealand hasn’t been working. I’m not an expert so happy to be pointed to a different study.
The big difference is that there's about 100,000 years of evolution between most of the people you spoke about and the Australian Aborigines so we really don't have lots of options when they have just recently come out of the stone Age being isolated in Australia
Might have only benefit the indigenous people sitting in government and getting paid. Thats all.
I've been researching education. When Canadian and Australian indigenous people establish two-way education (as opposed to western education) the outcomes and attendance are increased by a lot...50% or something like that.
Albo is dividing the nation , we are all Australian under one flag , we are One Nation and should all be treated equally .
Furthermore, there are disadvantaged across all Australians who need to be heard. Youth crime in Queensland and Victoria seems to be out of control. Homelessness and lack of affordability of rental properties is concerning. Education, health care and quality of living also worrying.
Yes but the reality is if you are indigenous you are not treated equally - get real
I believe a new Australian flag will come out of this. 🙏
Gee, what a "great' use of funds @@Mayaxxxxxx
The point is the very real and significant unique issues among aboriginal communities, is it not? If they are treated with equal amount of concern.. nothing will get better
A big NO from me and everyone I know.Enough money has gone into the Aborigine community every year but nothing has changed in regional Australia at all. Albanese should be investigating where all this money has gone and why it isn't getting to the Aborigines in the outback of Australia. Pauline Hansen proposes a royal commision inquiry into these Aboriginal funding to discover where is all the money going but both Labour and the Liberals didn't back her suggestiin why? Too scared to be called rascists I assume but just like everything else their has to be accountability but not in this case obviously
Does Australia need migrants?
The modelling says Australia needs 250,000 migrants a year to boost the economy by $1.6 trillion by 2050.
Liberal Investment Income After Tax.
That's where all the Money is going!
Not in the 3 percent of Aboriginals like everyone assumes.
@@karenvecsei4217 What are you talking about? I never mentioned migrants at all.
Yes the land councils are not giving money to the people in the bush they're spending it on themselves and that needs to be investigated
great points, very true!!
Funding being cut before they can take any effects. This is all because of the division in political parties. Getting the Voice in constitution is the first step to let indigenous leaders to ensure these important issues to get funding they need, instead of being controlled by political agendas.
VOTE NO TO THE VOICE .......VOTE NO TO ALBANESE .........VOTE NO AUSTRALIA .......LABOR IS NOT FOR THE PEOPLE
SOC
Now can we have a referendum to close down private schools? They divide the nation based on religion and have covered up tonnes of child abuse.
The lack of housing should keep him up at night! An additional expensive privileged group is not needed to act on the continuing problems, just act now to resolve the problems and stop the excuses. Money spent on the voice could have been spent on housing or infrastructure needed in Tennant Creek!!!
but then they would build houses that suit whitefella ways. Indigenous people have kinship systems that require a different layout.
No way to the Voice. Trust Noel Pearson, trust the Prime Minister...you've got to be joking. NO NO NO
and trusting Peter Dutton is okay hey? He has a history of human rights abuses you know.
@MissFarnsey really, I'd love for you to tell me who, when and where. I'd trust Peter Dutton over Albanese or any other member of the Labor Party any day. Albanese has lied so many times since being elected it's ridiculous
After the NO vote wins we need to audit the aboriginal industry, 30+ billion a year going to just 3% of the population , we want to know where all that money is going too
it's 4 billion a year.
Linda Burney is a voice to parliament. She should do her job.
Crazy that she is the "best" they could come u with eh!
I live in burney's electorate Barton 🤮😞 she's hopeless
She didnt even know her Aboriginal family until she was 20 odd. Her indigenous mother dumped her with the fathers family who were white.
What would she know about Indigenous hardships and doing it tough
Linda Burney has a whole government department (NIAA) to support her support Indigenous Australia.
The NIAA has a budget of over $4,000,000,000 annually, now over 1400 staff all over Australia listening to Australian Indigenous voices.
I also congratulate Linda on where she has got to in life. To get where she is she has worked hard, used the opportunities that were available to her and achieved. I don't agree with her on the VOICE referendum but acknowledge her progress and achievements.
@@Prickles2001and in the great tradition of Australia no full bloods are allowed to be involved 😂
There is huge domestic violence and sexual abuse problem within indigenous families. This is a problem which indigenous men need to address, is this their “CULTURE”. Maybe get the architects of the voice to draft a plan to sort out their problem!
I think you'll find that those huge problems your listing occur mainly in the families of the stolen generation as the pattern of behaviour of child abuse stems from the abusive and racist orphanages the stolen kids were placed in.
Hopefully a no vote succeeds
You completely failed to get both sides of the story in NZ. It's extremely unprofessional that you didn't speak to ANY non-indigenous New Zealanders to see what they think! They would've been more than willing to tell you! And the NO campaign is being fuelled by fact - not fear. Really poor 60 minutes. I expected better.
Expect less. Especially from western media and sensationalist tabloids like 60 minutes. You don't seriously believe anything you're told on the tv, do you?
If you do then I have a bridge to sell you.
I'm surprised they got out without all their camera gear being stolen. Such a fake representation of a nation, awash with apartheid and child abuse.
It’s a no
You want a voice…. contribute to society, abide by the law, live a decent moral life, enrol to vote and then vote. All Australians have that power including the indigenous peoples of this country. All voices are equal in the wonderful place we call home.
Australia ain't your home Dog
cant all contribute equally when everyone starts the race at different distances.
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Well said 😊👍
@@aiyanarose4389Plenty non-indigenous people don't start with a leg up either. In fact plenty of non-indigenous Australians come from situations that are far far worse than anything existing in Australia. So that argument ain't sufficient to enshrine privileges for a racial minority in the constitution.
These people make no sense!
I hope there is an overwhelming NO for the sake of the other 97% of people that will have to pay for this group to live off the government .
We are all able to make representations to parliaments, already. Wasting all this time and money, multi-millions of dollars to achieve what we are able to do anyway, is plainly nonsensical.
Vote NO because we are all Australians no one should have a special voice especially one that cost money from the Taxpayers that don't have a special voice NO NO NO.
Why does she say Australia is a country that doesn't recognise our indigenous people thats not correct
Aboriginals are recognised in Australia as indigenous to this nation.
Finally please vote the worst prime minister in Australia's history out
If one group of people's issues are being neglected, do you think they should receive help in a way that those issues are heard?
That's pretty much what the voice is
Very few people are willing to analyse what is causing the gap to exist in the aboriginal community. My opinion is that the breakdown of the family and fatherlessness is a significant driving factor. John Anderson is the only one pointing this out. If you cant accurately define the problem, you should not be given money and power to solve it. Youll only make things worse.
Men need to hold other men accountable as they don't listen to women.
Good point. Perhaps this is one of the roles of the consulting committee.
yes! This is why we need to allow THE voice so that funding can be targeted at solutions that actually work!
NO NOEL WE VOTE NO
Say NO to Noel!
Labour closed the Indigenous Community Centre in Tennant Creek and an Indigenous Boarding School, they didn’t listen when told the problems to do with Alcohol and money cards. Do the Labour Government create major problems to try and sell the Voice. I’m voting NO. The PM said when he was elected that he supported The Statement of the Heart completely in full. That’s Voice, Truth, Treaty and Compensation. I’m Voting NO
Noel Pearson keeps saying "us". He's divided already by his words. There's no us and them. My family and I will be voting NO.
The rhetoric that Anthony Albanese uses on this referendum tells me he didn't give it much thought, before he acted.
Democracy can only thrive if citizens have equal political rights by exercising their vote. Equal political rights should not be sacrificed for the benefit of an ethnic group, no matter how disadvantaged they are now or how unfortunate their ancestors were in history. As a civilized country, we already support the less fortunate through our elected government, watched by our parliament.
Australia has spent billions on the Asians
Australia fought against the Asians so why are you in Australia? Enemy of Australia
Indigenous communities are often neglected due to an apathetic atmosphere in parliament from being a minority. Because of this, a 'voice' could help bring their issues under light and can be addressed
@@haydencantthink But we have got 11 parliamentary members (total 227) who are indigenous. They account for a higher percentage in the parliament than that in the population. It is a fair process to get selected through a democratic election and a proper way to represent the voice from the voters in the constituents.
I can't see the necessity of establishing another advisory body to represnt a particular ethenic group through changing the constitution.
it's called intergenerational trauma. Look it up
@MissFarnsey That can be applied to any race that has a miserable past. It is also hard to quantify the trauma on the whole race. Some indigenous people claimed they did not suffer from that. If the trauma varies between individuals in that race, how can it be justified to give the voice for all of them in the Constitution?
Why does having a structured Aboriginal committee to be an advisory board have to be constitutional? I'm for recognising Aboriginals in our constitution but setting up said committee should be part of the closing the gap initiative and disbanded once the gap is closed.
So vote NO and still make up an Aboriginal Voice. Well done. Should have happened in 2022. I suspect there are other agenda's going on.
Were dose our $40, Billion Dollars go every year !!! Were is the accountability $$$$$ Vote NO
Noel isn’t the Boss of the Voice. He can’t say with certainty what the Voice will or won’t do. If the Voice is so good, put it in place now and show Australia that it works. Then vote to protect it by putting it in the Constitution
True. South Australia voted it in in March but it is deliberately being delayed until after the referendum. Instead they could have shown us what the reality will be like.
it's been 17 years in the making (while Libs held power). That's exactly what is happening, getting signed in now while Labour is still in power.
For anyone wondering, the New Zealand constitution does not give Māori a body like the Voice to parliament. Nothing even remotely like it.
NZ have a treaty, like the US and Canada. The Voice is to open the door for a treaty. But look at how defensive people are already, and the vile political attack it received. We need the Voice first then work towards a treaty.
Be careful, New Zealand doens't even have a constitution - but by law (and since 1860s) they have dedicated electoral seats in NZ Parliament, voted for by Maori voters
They already have a Treaty.
The Devil is in the detail and in this case, I fear there is way too much Devil.
If there is one thing the Australian people have learnt, its that politicians don't follow through with their promises. Addressing the Cost of living, energy. Lie after lie. What most Australians can see is the ability for politicians to misuse this power. We simply don't trust you Albo
Nope no details from the PM and Linda Burney when asked. This is a very important issue, the proposal should have substance to answer some tough questions yet even simple questions go unanswered. No special voice should be give to Australians based on a specific race or ethnic background. Me and my family Voting NO! to this Constitutional Experiment.
And god forbid that we may actually have a real Aboriginal in parliament instead of the Bernie thing
You're letting your hood slip. @@James-kv6kb
@@monkeynogo white guy from a carnival family of 150 years.
This is why I keep saying that if politicians did their jobs the aboriginal communities in the bush would be in a better place where has all the money gone that taxpayers paid to help aboriginal communities there has to be accountability but politicians just keep throwing money at it but nothing ever changes
Hence The Voice
Like every other adult Austraoian, the indigenous have a voice, it's called representation, each electorate has a member, each state has Senators, they are our voice to parliament, it is through our representaives will have our will enacted.
Now if indigenous Australia does not use their voice via their representatives now, why would they in the future?, 3% of the population has 4% of the representaion, and even with indigenous members in our parliament, the parliament does not listen now.
How can installing racism into oir constitution change anything?, it won't....
Absolutely correct. Certain senators can't manage to answer a question with out reading from a script, so what help are they to anyone. If they were doing their jobs, we wouldn't be where we are.
who are all a different culture. Would you like to go to India and just speak to an Indian about your need for space because you're Australian.
If they want us to vote on a change to the constitution the exact wording of that change should be tabled well before the referendum so we can determine exactly what powers it provides. The fact that they only plan to decide on the wording after the yes vote gets through (if it does) is like signing a blank contract and someone else filling in all the details afterwards.
@ride-time - 100% Correct. The legislation is not even worded to explain what kind of powers it does NOT include - eg. Taxation, National defence, National Public Holidays for example? This guarantees that these things, and much more, is within scope & Albo knows it. Any legacy he will leave, if this gets up, is as a traitor to the people of this country by backing a racist change to our constitution. Disgusting. Mitch, GIppsland.
That's not correct. The exact wording is written in the booklet that should have been mailed to you.
This is a good point that has created many misunderstandings - the constitution is generalised and doesn't give such information (it's the same for other groups and government bodies mentioned in the constition). I think that the Government is not sharing this information to try to keep it simple - and the exact details will be setup later. But my trust in the government is not so high right now, and their communication has been so poor. Key point is the advisory group setup can only suggest and not make laws, only elected representatives in parliament can do that
I simply think the timing was wrong. They needed more time for this referendum to unfold before voting.
We, the population needed more time for the information to filter down and allow plenty of open discussion through media and ourselves in our families, workplaces, social spheres, communities.
Few of us watch TV, it's takes longer nowadays to stay abreast of the news as we're spending our online time chasing our own interests.
We needed to have that time to really get comfortable with making this decision, by ironing out all the creases and finding out how in effect it would operate, how it would affect the Koori population, and how it would affect us.
Change is hard to facilitate, but even harder without commensurate time to deeply consider the ramifications of that change. It just needed more time. I feel sorry for the Kooris that feel disheartened about the outcome, but this 8s important and it needed time to ponder on before making a vote. The No vote is only a reflection that this referendum wasn't long enough.
The government already has indigenous advisory groups, the voice will not fix any of the issues affecting our indigenous brethren. Making representations to parliament and parliament having to consider these concerns me greatly. Parliament has the power to pass laws based on the representation and I for one do not trust the woke governments to act rationally. Vote no.
Im voting HELL NO. I will disown the country of my birth.
Hell No will be rejected as a vote.
200 years vs 50 000 years.
@@MissFarnsey i doubt you are 50,000 years old. And i doubt that all of your ancestors were aboriginal either. Should you pay yourself reparations because one of you ancestors was this, and another was that?
@MissFarnsey what does that have to do with a voice with zero details, in the constitution, which means we cant get rid of it for less than the cost of another referendum when the governmental beauracracy and corruption poisons this like everything else. Does every clan/tribe get its own representation? Or is it just the chosen few? Where are the actual details?
Are you also trying to say that 50,000 years means that girls at 13 or 14 should be sold into marriage? At what point do we say hang on, no details about anything is a bad idea. Look at the way governments managed the money handed out during the gfc stimulation under Rudd. The beauracracy ate up all the money with sub par results compared to the private and semi private schools. Just as an exam0le of how badly and poorly the governments can make these systems run.
Also funding per capita of aboriginal vs non aboriginal people is roughly double. Something like 43k vs 22k. If they cant make a difference now do we sign a cheque for a blank amount administered in a blank way?
Its not about hatred of our aboriginal countrymen. Its about actually making a damn difference for a change not just some token gesture expensive toothless tiger.
@@morganoox3838 i understand. I meant the emphasis with which i vote no will have indented paper.
I also specified my why above. If you are curious
NO, VOTE NO
youve become a Family member in my heart Mate = ) ox
VOTE NO TO THE VOICE!!!
Nothing good will come from the voice,for all or any Australian ,, start helping all Australians by stopping failing us all ,do your jobs well
I love my country and I respect indigenous Australians we are already one nation we don't need this voice so my vote will be for the no campaign as this referendum will create division between our peoples we are all Australians here always have been that won't change even if the voice doesn't get In.
I don’t trust the pm and his government and I be voting no
your a true friend from the soul mate
As a community elder, I will be voting NO.
Indigenous people already have a voice in parliament by being elected . There are already so many programs and funding given specifically to help Indigenous people the rest of us do not have. Write NO on the ballot paper.
Vote NO
I respect Jacinta. Down earth, practical and love doesn’t pay the bills.
I'm glad that a woman like Jacinta who has experienced the struggle of being a single mum, with kids to multiple different men has your support. Society often shames women like her when all they need is non judgemental understanding and acceptance.
Noel Pearson should use techniques other than 'emotional blackmail' to persuade, if he wants to convince that all First Nation people will benefit. Moreover, where there is severe disadvantage to 'trust' and show 'love' voters need specifics of why and where; how have the millions of dollars (maybe billions) funded been distributed.
Jacinta price AKA black tea with full cream milk
Like the way he washes his hands as he says government makes decisions on taxes, as he knows the voice increases aboriginal bias in the government
It is now well understood the Voice is part of a six stage strategy, the Voice itself is stage 5 and stage 6 is Makarrata. The aims are clearly stated "A TREATY could include a proper say in decision making, the establishment of a TRUTH commission, REPARATIONS, a financial settlement (such as seeking a PERCENTAGE OF GDP), the resolution of land, water and resources issues, RECOGNITION OF AUTHORITY and CUSTOMARY LAW" (from page 19 of a 26 page document released under FOI (FOI/2223/016) from the National Indigenous Australian Agency, page 1 is titled Uluru statement from the heart [centre justified]) "Makarrata is the culmination of our agenda" from the Uluru Statement from the Heart (page 1).
So its very clear, not only is the Voice a planned assault on democratic principles, not only does it introduce race/cultural identity into the constitution, its part of an agenda that the Prime Minister himself promotes VOICE - TREATY - TRUTH. He even has the T - shirt.
Moreover, the National Indigenous Australian Agency (now under Linda Burney) has had executive authority to close the gap since 2019. (e) specify the functions of the National Indigenous Australians Agency be as follows: iii. to lead and coordinate the development and implementation of Australia’s Closing the Gap targets in partnership with Indigenous Australians; (Federal register of legislation, C2019G00474).
I note, life expectancy for Indigenous men increased from 56.6 years in 1999 to 65.6 years in 2018 (change, 9.0 years; 95% CI, 7.9-10.0 years) and from 64.8 to 69.7 years for Indigenous women (4.9 years; 95% CI, 3.2-6.7 years); Med J Aust 2022; 217 (1): 30-35. || doi: 10.5694/mja2.51553
Furthermore, the three clauses to be inserted into section 129 of the constitution do not include the words advice, advisory or advise: - i There shall be a body, to be called the Aboriginal and Torres Straight Islander Voice. - ii The Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice may make representations to Parliament and the Executive Government on matters relating to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples. - iii The Parliament shall, subject to this Constitution, have power to make laws with respect to the composition, functions, powers and procedures of the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice (AEC).
Clearly unique access based on race/cultural identity to all levels of government. Vote NO "it is a ruthless con job" (Greg Craven, The Australian).
In addition, Stuart Wood AM KC, "It is unconscionable that a government would, with full knowledge, put forward a seriously deficient and misleading question, in an attempt to misinform the Australian people at a referendum as critical as the one ahead" (IPA, 12th September, 2023).
Same as on The Voice's FAQs on their website.
Q: Is the Voice proposal limited because it will only be able to advise parliament on policy and legislation?
A: No. The Voice will have powers and functions to support First Nations people across a range of matters, as agreed between First Nations and government. Its strength for First Nations communities, as well as its value to government, will come from the legitimacy of being a genuinely representative, collective Voice. And from the mandate gained from the Australian people at a referendum.
@@YSTDJ "Genuinely representative" is very different to "advisory body". The deceit from Albanese and Burney is shocking.
🎵"Australians all let us rejoice,
For we are ONE and free"🗣.... As in our anthem we are one people. Let us not be divided
100% no, too vague, no one know what we voting for.
were voting to become Family not friends vote NO
Voting NO. Because; "We are ONE, and we are many, and from all the lands on earth we come"
No cost of living relief
No housing solutions
No energy reductions
Mean I’m Voting NO
This was a great well balanced segment. The reporter playing devils advocate on both sides of the fence, perfect way to communicate the news
sesnsationalist fearmongering with very little facts.
NO TO SPECIAL TREATMENT!!! EVERYONE MUST BE TREATED THE SAME.
Ok then, go live in a humpy without running water.
No to apartheid. Equality for all. VOTE NO!
No!
The PM explains and communiates this so badly
NZ violent crime rate, New Zealand's crime statistics are compounded by the over-representation of Māori. Despite Māori making up only 16% of the general population, figures show 42% of all criminal apprehensions involve a person identifying as Māori, as do 51% of those in prison.
Just remember in NZ if there are two people who require medical treatment the Maori will go first even if the other is non Maori and in greater need. Race before need.
I listen to these reports to understand why and how voting yes will benefit indigenous australians, not even the prime minister was able to give a solid example!
Our PM has claims he has only read the one page executive summary of the Uluṟu statement. Yet he is proposing a referendum based on it. Shame on you PM for not even bothering to read the whole statement.
Maori were united tribes of fearsome warriors who defended small islands & cannibalised 60+ British colonialists upon arrival in NZ. The Haka is loved as the Rugby team performed it & white + black could partake. It was fun & popularity grew organically. Unlike Welcome To Country that feels forced upon us & so serious. Throughout history, the dominant culture survives. Aboriginals envy Maori culture's outcomes, but do not acknowledge the differences in their cultures that have resulted in a different outcome for Maoris 🤷🏻♀
Aē tautoko to korero
Im maori and 100% agree with you. Well said. Kia ora from Aotearoa NZ
I could sum up the differences between the cultures with one word “Waitangi”
60 minutes Australian. Canadian here. Tells amazing documentaries style.
People from overseas have no idea what we're dealing with here the Aboriginal people are like no other humans in the world they are directly from the stone Age and have been isolated in Australia for a long time. The real Aboriginal people are not allowed to be involved in this debate because they're hidden away in the outback but because they are so different there is no solutions if you type in Australian Aborigines town camps Aboriginal violence in Alice Springs you will see what I'm talking about
Noel Pearson talks about Love that comes across about as convincing as Albanese's avoidance of what the Voice is. They are talking Babble. How many people can tell you what the voice really means. What does voting Yes mean to Australian people?
Nothing. We won't notice the impact of it. What will it mean to the majority of Indigenous people, a great deal. They will always get a say in matters that affect them, no matter if Libs or Labour get voted in.
It's disturbing that many Aboriginal people at the fair in that town didn't even know what the Voice is. How many Aboriginals in Australia don't know about it?
Lots of Indigenous people don't even have running water, let alone phone coverage. : (
Amelia Adams did a good job here. Asked some fair questions. However, when she asked the PM how the voice would be elected, the PM said how they would be elected… this is at best misleading, at worst a lie. All literature on the design of the voice talks about its members being appointed
The challenge is that the wording of the amendment we are being asked to vote on gives Parliament the power to make laws regarding the bodies composition, functions, and powers. So under one government it could be 200 elected people. Under another government, by changing the laws, it could be 2 appointed people. The amendment does not even stipulate that those people have to be indigenous.
Stlll no one has the balls to ask the question why the people with the least amount of Aboriginal blood get the most attention and services and why we're not seeing any full bloods involved in this debate. This is the first time I've actually seen anyone ask them a question
Vote No NSW
Vote No from the soul and we become Family
When Linda Burney had the chance to speak out against lifting the ban on alcohol and the cashless card, all she could talk about was dignity. She has never apologised for the resultant mayhem. If a group of unelected activist voices are entrenched in the constitution it will turn out to be all about power and nothing to do with support for the vulnerable.
it has everything to do with supporting the vulnerable. Do you reckon indigenous leaders would ever advocate for a cashless debit card? I would take dignity to mean no more of this sort of thing.
NO NO NO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Im sick and tired of hearing about this voice its a NO from me To this divise and this prime minister won't even read the full 26 page of the Uralla statement himself!
Only 2 months ago the media reported that Maori people were to be placed ahead of non-Maori people for hospital and medical treatments for identical conditions.
New Zealand has been a country living under apartheid for some time. They breach human rights of ALL New Zealanders on the daily.
Yea thats what causes racism against maori. We get special treatment. We are a warrior race and dont need special treatment. Im maori and if an older person had same condition or worse i would give them my spot. Kia ora Australia.
is there any change the media might have sensationalised that? Pretty sure medical professionals in emergency use a triage system that does not include race.
Noel Pearson stands up for all the Cape York indigenous. From his luxury house in Noosa. Do you want someone like this just feathering their own nest through the Voice? Vote NO.
Jacinta Nampijinpa Price has taken this ignorant immigrant who is the furthest from racism you can be from a YES to strong NO. Corporations, celebrities and politicians - condescend Australians at your peril. And you have. We can think for ourselves, we love Australia, and we want to be ONE people, that loves and takes care of all of us. Especially our indigenous family who in some instances are hurting. Real change starts with listening,starts with strong leaders like Jacinta. Proud NO voter. And I hope Jacinta is our PM one day.
Noel Pearson has been involved with indigenous peoples for a number of years, he seems to be doing OK for himself while the people he supposedly represents in various capacities are struggling? There is no need for a change in the constitution there is a need for people like Pearson to do right for the indigenous peoples and not sit on the gravy train!
Wow, I’m shocked a journo who actually asked some hard questions. It wasn’t as one sided as I thought. My question is - why won’t Albo or anyone debate this with Senator Price??? She is the only one who has articulated why she states it won’t work whereas the Yes campaign can’t give us any details except - trust us…..we aren’t stupid or racist just give us more information on it!! Is that so hard?
All I’ve seen as an indigenous based nurse is the division that and Welcome to country has caused! It hasn’t United the nation but divided us and people are too scared to stand up to say they’ll vote no due to fear they’ll be called racist. I have NOT yet met one person planning to vote yes. They are all tired of the division it’s causing and they way we are being treated.
450 mill to pay for the yes campaign not to mention the 30 billion spent on aboriginal affairs
2 words: THOMAS MAYO. Nuf said. VOTE NO!
Must be the Jew in him or what??🎉
We don’t need another ATSIC enshrined in Australia’s constitution.
Ol mates opening statement, he wants work for his son to stay off the streets.
Govt can fund apprenticeships, traineeships and grants for small business.
Albo: "Its power is the power of voice". Ummm........what? Vote NO
No, it won't, and make sure you vote NO, so this rabble can be removed!
There is very little truth telling by the yes campaign. This is not a modest request and they know it - why are the details being kept from us and why would these details only be discussed after the vote. Listen to people like Jacinta and Warren and you will know the full consequences of a Voice. I and most of my family and friends are all voting No and this includes my indigenous friends.
Liberals allowed cashless debit cards, NT inervention.
Vote NO for the good of every children in the future.
equality is equality for everyone, not just for the Aboriginal.