I have been informed that the gun in the show was not a shotgun, but a double barreled rifle with brass cartridges. As I said, I didn't see the show. However, it was still an interesting experiment.
I guess Brass cartridges would probably fare a bit better. Particularly if the bullet is crimped, and they put sealer both on the primer and over the mouth of the cartridge where it meets the bullet.
Paul never disappoints! ...in shorts, running out to the surf, collecting 5 gallons of sea water then running back is priceless! Thank you Paul! R, Steve
While Paul was out getting the seawater, I started to reply various Monty Python's Flying Circus beach scenes in my head; I expected John Cleese to be sitting in the surf behind his BBC desk ending a phone call, hanging up, and saying "And now for something completely different."
Can we plz take a moment to appriciate now much effort was put in this video? Collecting seawater looks easy, however for Paul it is another story. The sheer site of Paul in his swimshorts made the ocean pull back miles. Normally the place were the video was shot was well under water however due to panic and fear the ocean tried to escape...
@@mattschmitt9924 All of the above is true, and at the same time. It is still being investigated among theoretical physicists as to why, but a general consensus is starting to form that the presence of Paul Harrell does indeed bend the very laws of the universe. Positrons become electrons when he draws a Taurus Judge. Uranium is enriched to pure U-235 in the earth below him when he proves a troll wrong. Fusion is spontaneously created by his mere proximity.
That sea water won the Paul Harrell prize, specially selected from the sea, peppered with shotgun ammo and left forever in a plastic tub in the Oregon wilderness
I've done some hunting with paper shells, and since game isn't all that abundant I wound up carrying the same shells for several hunting trips. Often in the rain. My experience is that if the wax gets rubbed off from carrying the shell in a pocket, the water resistance goes way down. They typically go bang anyways, but can swell enough to be hard to chamber. Also, I once had a damp paper shell act like an accidental cutaway slug; instead of the crimp opening to release the shot, the paper tore behind the wad and half the shell went downrange more or less in one piece.
that's sort of what I expected would happen only in my imagination the primer would seperate the paper from the brass and the entire paper body, with wet powder+shot would squib. thanks for that info about the wax too, I was wondering if they were coated with something.
It's been almost 50 years since I used paper shells. While I was watching this I was saying to myself, "Yes, they're paper, but coated in Wax." And I am old enough to have had all my school lunches packed in wax paper, and waterproofing my boots with wax. Thanks for reconfirming my memory.
@@stans5270 Did they use wax or a lacquer? And it's been 50 years since I shot a paper shell. Heck I remember when when some shooters were wondering about "them new fangled plastic shotgun shells".
@@mpetersen6 I've always used plastic shells, but occasionally collected empty paper hulls from the field in my youth. I'm pretty darned sure they were lacquered, but I suspect there's a pretty good chance they were lacquered and waxed. I'm thinking it would be far easier to seal the business end of the shell with wax than lacquer. (I honestly wish I could start shooting paper shells now... I'm pretty good at collecting my hulls, but there have been plenty of occasions where I couldn't find one, and the paper shells are going to break down a lot faster than the plastic ones... not to mention all the plastic wads I've put out into the field.)
I offered to donate some ammo I had that was submerged in flood waters during hurricane Ian, but he refused over safety concerns. Not sure I blame him.
sealed premium ammo vs nonsealed, like old type of critical duty's that was sealed with red paint, and new without it. it will need more time, like a week under water
I can certainly appreciate Paul's efforts, especially considering that he's basically going to have to completely disassemble the shotgun for cleaning, to ensure he gets rid of all the salt and minerals from that seawater.
10/4 Michell not a chance I’d do that to my gun ! Yeah they will swell after being exposed to high humidity for long periods of time I’ve had one to do it after it got rained on and left in a shell vest a month or so .
Can we just step back and look at the lengths he went to make this video. He went to the beach (how far is that for him?) to get REAL sea water. I am impressed. Anyone else would just have used a box of salt and tap water.
The " shotgun " in the show 1923, a spin off of the Yellowstone series is actually a Big Game double Rifle, as the character was in Africa. The cartridge are brass.
I've been in the ocean in Oregon in August. Water was 60 degrees. Felt like it was 40. I can't imagine how cold that felt. Props to you sir for another excellent video
I've been in there when the water was a bit colder than 60. Took a few minutes before my bare feet became acclimated. I was in La Pine, Oregon, on a hot summer day, dangling my legs in a river coming off the east side of the Cascades. That water was painful even after 15 minutes. Finally gave up and pulled my legs out of the water. It was way colder than the Pacific.
I was in Seattle in June five years ago. Just the wind coming off the ocean was too cold for me. Had the same experience further south at San Fran bay and Monterey area. I couldn't wait to get back to the Midwest.
A gun writer visited the Federal plant up in Minnesota where they still make paper shells. It was 2 or 3 guys using 75 year old equipment. One phase was putting the hulls into a vat of paraffin at a set temp for something like 24 hours. That would waterproof them!
I have an old box of federal 16 gauge shells I inherited from my grandfather. They are in good shape and I've kept them for nostalgia. Good to know they probably still work.
@@edgarburlyman738 Costs of tooling. Manufacturing space. Possible Federal licensing requirements for ammunition manufacturers. Age? Maybe they are three old farts. Limited market? Actually in the 1800s given the issues they had with drawn brass cartridges for a while I'm kind of surprised there weren't more centerfire pistol and rifle ammunition made with paper cases. It is my understanding that it was tried but the issues with drawn brass didn't take that long to figure out. Mostly a problem of alloy used iirc.
Paul, Great demonstration I have to say I was surprised at the results. Incidentally I watched the show 1923. It was a side by side dangerous game rifle. (Like a Holland &Holland) the caliber was a big bore straight wall brass case. Not depicted to be a shotgun. Thank you for what you do.
Im surprised that none of the cartridges malfunctioned. Your point about their functionality after they have been out of the water for a day, week, etc., is probably where they will end up failing. Great video.
Watching the beautifully filmed Oregon beach and surf opening scene brought back a memory from a family vacation more than sixty years ago. My little brother, then only three years old, had never seen anything like Pacific Ocean surf. After watching for a while, he asked why it just kept on ‘flushing and flushing?’ Also, thanks for the demonstration of the utility of well-made paper shotshells: Those old-time bees produced good wax, and our dads and grandads seem to have known how to use it effectively.
Oh I thought it crossed everyone's mind? We're always concerned about wet, corroded, musty ammo and ammo storage, which ammo box is best and what conditions it will be stored under to ensure it stays functional. I thought this was a topic of concern to all gun geeks.
I like that Paul is a skilled presenter that when I start noticing something, like the left barrel snagging a lil bit, he times it perfectly with "Oh by the way you might notice that..." and explains it
Any other guntuber: [Drops some paper shotshells in a bowl of tap water] Paul Harrell: [Travels to the nearest ocean and shows himself collecting the seawater to perfectly match the conditions of the scenario] That's why I love this channel.
As I recall, back in the day, around the mid-60s, moisture problems were often more pronounced with empty shells awaiting reloading - especially if they had been sitting around for awhile - like in a damp basement or garage. I also recall that was around the time when there was a transition between fiber wadding and plastic cups - with the plastic being more forgiving. I wouldn't have thought a shell would still function perfectly after a long time under water. Great video - thanks so much.
Nice and different! I collect 1960s shotshells just because I grew up using them. I still prefer to use them in my old shotguns. (just seems appropriate.) I know this sounds a little weird but They smell right. It takes me back to my youth. Thanks Paul!
Brave man our Paul I used to live in Oregon and can tell you that Pacific Ocen water is about 50 degrees in the Summer time!! Bravo sir well done that's why you are the best!!
Well I was pretty certain that I knew what the outcome of this video would be. Since I've hand loaded since the mid 70's. But Paul's commitment and the effort that it will take to clean this shotgun and even other stuff associated with this video is crazy to my old mind, down here on the seacoast. Thank you, Paul.
Interesting video, I am 74 so used a lot of paper shells back in the day, of course I never submerged them in sea water but living in England they did get wet regularly and I never had a problem but I have seen old paper shells that have swollen after damp storage. For several years I carried matches in a paper cased 16 gauge shell inside a paper cased 12 gauge shell they fit together better than plastic shells.
Ok here’s a little update on what I could find for anyone that’s interested . By 1895 waterproofing paper hulls were quite effective when Eley produced the Pegamoid case. This featured five layers of paper, bonded with water-resistant adhesive. Later on in the 1960s Remington introduced plastic cases and Eley started selling a plastic-cased version of the Grand Prix in 1974. They soon became the craze outselling paper case sales. Still up and help me with my World War I reference and I do remember there was an issue with shotgun shells in the trenches still looking. Although could be possible that I got everything completely wrong but I do believe that after World War I they change the construction of shotgun shells. might’ve just been military though.
Could be some sort of combination of a pump action shotgun and a muddy trench on top of the paper shells that caused issues in ww1, or maybe just bad batches of ammo. I think c&arsenal did a video on the Winchester 1897 that went more in depth on the use it saw in ww1.
I fucking love Paul man. Anyone else would've cut this video down to nothing with a cut every 10 seconds. Not Paul. He leaves the full sequence of him getting the sea water and coming back. Cinematic genius. And the Pop Tart ad **chef kisses**
This is the best test I could have asked for. I believe 1923 was also the year Winchester Staynless (non-corrosive, non-mercuric) primers started being used. The original Staynless primers were less chemically advanced than later primers, and the US Army thought they were too vulnerable to moisture during storage, resulting in less than satisfactory reliability. The primers in your old shells were probably better than 1923 primers, but I doubt the difference would matter for an hour of time submerged.
It's like all the ingredients of a cake, but just not quite stirred up and baked together. ASMR of crashing waves on a beach, report of a shotgun, and Paul's Shatner-esk style of talking. So soothing and calming. To bad you can't shoot on the beach _legally._
Fantastic. Your dedication of running into the surf in Oregon, in winter, reflects great credit upon yourself and is in keeping with the highest traditions of your channel. On a side note I can confirm that paper shotshells dropped into a watery ice chest for a quick second, will indeed work as hoped.
That water is warm enough for us natives, this time of year. Been there many times and usually get used to the cold water after a couple minutes. Then it's fine.
I came up at the end of the waxed paper shotshell era. New shells were all plastic but there were tons of older paper shells around. Never had a problem with either paper or plastic. The paper shells were thick and impregnated with wax. We often did have concerns about reloaded shells because you can't reproduce the factory crimp. Still, I don't recall a single problem.
One phenomenon rarely reported is with stee shotl shotgun shells. It has happened that steel shot, if exposed to moisture, can rust and fuse the shot together. This essentially turns the shot into a steel slug. Old gun magazine article.
Excellent video! A good follow up would be how long underwater before some shotshells fail, and how long before most fail. Also, the depth underwater may affect the time to fail (deeper underwater means higher pressure and the water will seep in faster). I suggest a similar test but deeper underwater, perhaps 5' and also 10' deep in a swimming pool. Salt water Vs fresh water affects how quickly it corrodes, but water ingress may be similar. Of course, no one should trust personal protection to ammunition that's been underwater, but it sure is interesting to learn what happens! Great work Paul, thank you.
What impresses me the most about stuff like this is that Paul doesn't assume anything. It would have *seemed* obvious (to me anyway) that this wouldn't work. Rather than put forward a similar opinion, Paul actually went and did a real-world experiment, and figured out I (and presumably others) was wrong...
We will never find another channel with Paul's disposition, he INDEED collected seawater just for the sake of the video you just know that a generic channel from leviathan would not even come close to his genuine way to educate us.
Paul, you've never put me to sleep, but those soothing waves certainly did. Remember those shells from the 50s/60s. I still have a 10 gauge shell from the 50s. All the best! Nice presentation. "The JJ" SW Penna.
I got caught in a heavy rain once while out with my .22. The ammo got wet and started to have about a 50 percent misfire rate. I went home, the ammo sat in a closet for a year then I tried it again and it worked.
The production of this video is AMAZING!! From the beach to the mountains within the first 5 minutes is EPIC!! Thank you, Paul, for your hard work and devotion.
Great presentation Paul, but I have one question...what about other types of modern shot shells like slugs and European roll crimped style of shells? There was a TH-camr who specifically said slugs and other shot shells with the roll crimp were not his fancy to use in Alaska because they are not water proof. I question it, as I've hunted with my 870 in snow storms, rain, ect, and I've never had a shell of any kind that would not fire when I needed it too and this also includes shells exposed to the elements that were on the side saddle of the shotgun. May be something worth a dive into if you have the time, I'm sure I'm not the only one who's curious. Thanks!
Roll crimps and slugs are indeed not watertight, and if you submerge them they are likely to fail. A little moisture probably won't hurt them, but I bet the powder will get wet if exposed to water too long or dropped underwear for a little bit. A little wax added to the end under the roll will probably fix this problem.
@@ratroute8238 yea and that surf is not to be taken lightly as well, those waves can do a number on you even in normal temp water! I gotta give it to the man he is a warrior - humble too and that is Badass!
Hey Paul, I remember some time ago you tested cut shells, but have you ever tested split point bullets? Like the kind you cut out yourself? I've found them kind of interesting, but have found almost no real world data on them, like what they are actually doing to a target. It might be a neat idea for a video. I shoot alot of hand load 38 special and 357 loaded with cast flat point projectiles and always wondered if I could make a viable round for taking deer at close range in heavy brush.
We have some rules about "modifying ammo" in this format, so I have been reluctant to do a presentation on this subject. And no, I don't know how Turdfladermouse gets away with it.
I have tried drilled out and drilled and cross topped lead round nose 190gn .452. Drill diameter was 1/8". Depth was matched to a .44 cal 240gn cheap shot, approx 1/8" deep. I was using a cap and ball 1858 8" remington with 30gbv of 777 3f with #11 magnum cci caps. Target was 3 inline gallon jugs full of water. I made 3 of each. None of them expanded or fractured beyond the normal performance of said round nose. When I get a chance I'll try this in my 50 call muzzleloader, to see if velocity changes anything. I will use sabots so as to be able to use the exact same round nose hard cast bullets.
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I have been informed that the gun in the show was not a shotgun, but a double barreled rifle with brass cartridges. As I said, I didn't see the show. However, it was still an interesting experiment.
What shotgun did you use for this video?
I guess Brass cartridges would probably fare a bit better. Particularly if the bullet is crimped, and they put sealer both on the primer and over the mouth of the cartridge where it meets the bullet.
That doesn't change the fact that the experiment was informative.
The funny part is, this disproved an episode of A-team where they live because the paper cartridge cant fire
go figure, I see this AFTER I commented... 😒😒😂😂
Now that we know the paper shells work, I'm curious how well seashell shotshells from the seashore work.
How about razor sharp coral ?
Soaked seashell shotshells from the seashore shall shoot safely, I'm sure. 😃
@@pulaski1 Now try to type it 3 times fast!
You mean, she sells shotshells by the seashore.
Sheesh...😅😅
There is nothing I love more than seeing Paul run into the ocean like the intro to an 80s cop show
Paul in a speedo when?
@@chase_h.01 No, that thought is now in my brain and I'll never sleep again!
I can't believe he wasn't out of breath
That's a bit weird 😳.
@@markchapman2585 he is a fit not-too-old person, I'm ready to bet he can still run circles around most people
Paul never disappoints! ...in shorts, running out to the surf, collecting 5 gallons of sea water then running back is priceless! Thank you Paul! R, Steve
While Paul was out getting the seawater, I started to reply various Monty Python's Flying Circus beach scenes in my head; I expected John Cleese to be sitting in the surf behind his BBC desk ending a phone call, hanging up, and saying "And now for something completely different."
Almost felt like an art house movie
What insane person goes in the ocean with shoes and socks
Can we plz take a moment to appriciate now much effort was put in this video? Collecting seawater looks easy, however for Paul it is another story. The sheer site of Paul in his swimshorts made the ocean pull back miles. Normally the place were the video was shot was well under water however due to panic and fear the ocean tried to escape...
the ocean recoils in fear of Paul, as he should
The ocean is actually all contained inside his shooting jacket. Like a world in a world.
@@mattschmitt9924 All of the above is true, and at the same time. It is still being investigated among theoretical physicists as to why, but a general consensus is starting to form that the presence of Paul Harrell does indeed bend the very laws of the universe. Positrons become electrons when he draws a Taurus Judge. Uranium is enriched to pure U-235 in the earth below him when he proves a troll wrong. Fusion is spontaneously created by his mere proximity.
Is it just me or was anyone else hoping for the biggest sneaker wave of all time?
Yes running while carrying 5 gallons if sea water! Haha
That sea water won the Paul Harrell prize, specially selected from the sea, peppered with shotgun ammo and left forever in a plastic tub in the Oregon wilderness
I've done some hunting with paper shells, and since game isn't all that abundant I wound up carrying the same shells for several hunting trips. Often in the rain.
My experience is that if the wax gets rubbed off from carrying the shell in a pocket, the water resistance goes way down. They typically go bang anyways, but can swell enough to be hard to chamber. Also, I once had a damp paper shell act like an accidental cutaway slug; instead of the crimp opening to release the shot, the paper tore behind the wad and half the shell went downrange more or less in one piece.
that's sort of what I expected would happen only in my imagination the primer would seperate the paper from the brass and the entire paper body, with wet powder+shot would squib.
thanks for that info about the wax too, I was wondering if they were coated with something.
It's been almost 50 years since I used paper shells. While I was watching this I was saying to myself, "Yes, they're paper, but coated in Wax." And I am old enough to have had all my school lunches packed in wax paper, and waterproofing my boots with wax.
Thanks for reconfirming my memory.
@@stans5270
Did they use wax or a lacquer? And it's been 50 years since I shot a paper shell. Heck I remember when when some shooters were wondering about "them new fangled plastic shotgun shells".
@@mpetersen6 I've always used plastic shells, but occasionally collected empty paper hulls from the field in my youth. I'm pretty darned sure they were lacquered, but I suspect there's a pretty good chance they were lacquered and waxed. I'm thinking it would be far easier to seal the business end of the shell with wax than lacquer.
(I honestly wish I could start shooting paper shells now... I'm pretty good at collecting my hulls, but there have been plenty of occasions where I couldn't find one, and the paper shells are going to break down a lot faster than the plastic ones... not to mention all the plastic wads I've put out into the field.)
Only Paul Harrell would drive to the coast, wade into the surf, and collect seawater for an experiment! True dedication.
17:15 The sound of these shells going off is epic. Great acoustics location.
He should do a bunch more vids on waterlogged ammunition. Even modern ammo. Im curious
I offered to donate some ammo I had that was submerged in flood waters during hurricane Ian, but he refused over safety concerns.
Not sure I blame him.
Yes
sealed premium ammo vs nonsealed, like old type of critical duty's that was sealed with red paint, and new without it. it will need more time, like a week under water
Yes.
Are the new plastic any better? :D
It all works
I can certainly appreciate Paul's efforts, especially considering that he's basically going to have to completely disassemble the shotgun for cleaning, to ensure he gets rid of all the salt and minerals from that seawater.
It's a double barrel. Not much disassembly to be done. Your point stands though
Probably oiling the barrel after every shot string.
10/4 Michell not a chance I’d do that to my gun ! Yeah they will swell after being exposed to high humidity for long periods of time I’ve had one to do it after it got rained on and left in a shell vest a month or so .
I’ve binging his videos. Hands down best gun channel on TH-cam. Practical, pragmatic, informative, and entertaining. Thanks Paul.
The lengths you would go to Paul are outstanding. You're the best gun channel hands down.
I can always rely on this channel to answer questions i didn’t even know i had.
Can we just step back and look at the lengths he went to make this video. He went to the beach (how far is that for him?) to get REAL sea water. I am impressed.
Anyone else would just have used a box of salt and tap water.
Lincoln City is on the ocean. I am just wondering why the Pacific didn't run away........
Instant ocean synthetic sea salt.
He lives in Oregon so it's a relatively short trip. Faster than for people in states that don't border the ocean anyway, it's still a big state
Making this movie allows him to write off a beach vacation on his taxes.
You'll need to use a box of sea salt and weigh the salt and water to achieve the concentration of 35 parts per thousand.
Your channel is outstanding. Thank you for all your hard work .
The " shotgun " in the show 1923, a spin off of the Yellowstone series is actually a Big Game double Rifle, as the character was in Africa. The cartridge are brass.
Thank you, literally just came here to say exactly that
Remember, he hasn't seen the show, and is simply going off of what he's heard
Wild how such an interesting video originated from a silly misunderstanding.
Yup. Double rifle. Express rifle. Like 416 rigby. Good show BTW. I recommend it.
When I read Hemingway's Islands in the Stream, the Main Character kept a Mannlicher Rifle on his boat for sharks
I've been in the ocean in Oregon in August. Water was 60 degrees. Felt like it was 40. I can't imagine how cold that felt. Props to you sir for another excellent video
I've felt the water in Monterrey, CA in June and it's not exactly warm there, either. That had to be a chilly dip filling that jug.
Yeah the Pacific Northwest coastal beaches are never warm when it comes to water.
60 degrees on the Oregon coast is considered warm... water or air LOL
I've been in there when the water was a bit colder than 60. Took a few minutes before my bare feet became acclimated.
I was in La Pine, Oregon, on a hot summer day, dangling my legs in a river coming off the east side of the Cascades. That water was painful even after 15 minutes. Finally gave up and pulled my legs out of the water. It was way colder than the Pacific.
I was in Seattle in June five years ago. Just the wind coming off the ocean was too cold for me. Had the same experience further south at San Fran bay and Monterey area. I couldn't wait to get back to the Midwest.
A gun writer visited the Federal plant up in Minnesota where they still make paper shells. It was 2 or 3 guys using 75 year old equipment. One phase was putting the hulls into a vat of paraffin at a set temp for something like 24 hours. That would waterproof them!
That explains some of the paper shells that I've handled. They didn't feel like 'paper' at all.
If it's just 3 guys who know how to do it, why do they still work for Federal? They should set up to do it themselves and keep all the profits!
@@edgarburlyman738 Federal isn't the only current maker of paper shotshells, several European brands also have them available.
I have an old box of federal 16 gauge shells I inherited from my grandfather. They are in good shape and I've kept them for nostalgia. Good to know they probably still work.
@@edgarburlyman738
Costs of tooling. Manufacturing space. Possible Federal licensing requirements for ammunition manufacturers. Age? Maybe they are three old farts. Limited market?
Actually in the 1800s given the issues they had with drawn brass cartridges for a while I'm kind of surprised there weren't more centerfire pistol and rifle ammunition made with paper cases. It is my understanding that it was tried but the issues with drawn brass didn't take that long to figure out. Mostly a problem of alloy used iirc.
Every anime has a beach episode, and now we do too. Bless you Paul.
Paul,
Great demonstration I have to say I was surprised at the results. Incidentally I watched the show 1923. It was a side by side dangerous game rifle. (Like a Holland &Holland) the caliber was a big bore straight wall brass case. Not depicted to be a shotgun. Thank you for what you do.
Also, really enjoy your channel. Been watching you for the last four years.
Thanks for making the Water Resistance of Paper Shot Shells video.
Paul Harrell does not do anything half Assed. Thank you for that Paul.
Im surprised that none of the cartridges malfunctioned. Your point about their functionality after they have been out of the water for a day, week, etc., is probably where they will end up failing. Great video.
I love your dry sense of humor Paul.
Your videos are always fantastic and educational.
I've paper shells from the 30's that still works. Good presentation.
The things Paul does for us to bring the great content.
Great appreciation ... thanks Paul.
Watching the beautifully filmed Oregon beach and surf opening scene brought back a memory from a family vacation more than sixty years ago. My little brother, then only three years old, had never seen anything like Pacific Ocean surf. After watching for a while, he asked why it just kept on ‘flushing and flushing?’
Also, thanks for the demonstration of the utility of well-made paper shotshells: Those old-time bees produced good wax, and our dads and grandads seem to have known how to use it effectively.
Great video. Thanks Paul !
THIS is why I subbed to this channel. Paul and crew are not afraid to go the extra mile. Sometimes literally. 👍
Now here's a topic that never crossed my mind. Another excellent video, as always!
Oh I thought it crossed everyone's mind? We're always concerned about wet, corroded, musty ammo and ammo storage, which ammo box is best and what conditions it will be stored under to ensure it stays functional. I thought this was a topic of concern to all gun geeks.
@@Hjerte_Verke It is, but not specifically with paper shotshells.
Every Paul Harrel Pop Tarts ad is pure gold.
I like that Paul is a skilled presenter that when I start noticing something, like the left barrel snagging a lil bit, he times it perfectly with "Oh by the way you might notice that..." and explains it
I was fully excepting him to never come back after he started running toward the water.
I like sunsets, poetry and long walks on the beach with Paul Harrell
Any other guntuber: [Drops some paper shotshells in a bowl of tap water]
Paul Harrell: [Travels to the nearest ocean and shows himself collecting the seawater to perfectly match the conditions of the scenario]
That's why I love this channel.
The last time I saw Paul in the water was the episode where he is in this pond, barechested and slapping the water with a spatula...lol
Thank you, Mr. Harrell !
As I recall, back in the day, around the mid-60s, moisture problems were often more pronounced with empty shells awaiting reloading - especially if they had been sitting around for awhile - like in a damp basement or garage. I also recall that was around the time when there was a transition between fiber wadding and plastic cups - with the plastic being more forgiving. I wouldn't have thought a shell would still function perfectly after a long time under water. Great video - thanks so much.
Makes a lot of sense.
Awesome presentation, thanks Paul.
Episodes just keep getting better. Excellent content.
Nice and different! I collect 1960s shotshells just because I grew up using them. I still prefer to use them in my old shotguns. (just seems appropriate.) I know this sounds a little weird but They smell right. It takes me back to my youth. Thanks Paul!
This has got to be one of the most underrated channels on TH-cam. Thanks Paul for all you do
not really underrated at all. but nice try
Life's a beach! A beautiful beach at that! Thank you young man!
This was very interesting and something I've never thought about. Really enjoy and appreciate your informative and knowledgeable videos, Mr. Harrell.
Brave man our Paul I used to live in Oregon and can tell you that Pacific Ocen water is about 50 degrees in the Summer time!! Bravo sir well done that's why you are the best!!
Love it Paul…having watched 1923, I’m pretty confident it was a double-barrel safari-style rifle though. Not a shotgun. Great show!
Great job Paul. As always.
Well I was pretty certain that I knew what the outcome of this video would be. Since I've hand loaded since the mid 70's. But Paul's commitment and the effort that it will take to clean this shotgun and even other stuff associated with this video is crazy to my old mind, down here on the seacoast. Thank you, Paul.
Quite disappointed that Paul didn't just pull that full jerrycan from out of his shooting jacket.
We can add Beach Model to Paul's already impressive resume.
Thanks Paul! very interesting!
Very interesting results. I would not have thought they would have performed that well in salt water. Thanks for the video 🙂
Interesting video, I am 74 so used a lot of paper shells back in the day, of course I never submerged them in sea water but living in England they did get wet regularly and I never had a problem but I have seen old paper shells that have swollen after damp storage. For several years I carried matches in a paper cased 16 gauge shell inside a paper cased 12 gauge shell they fit together better than plastic shells.
Good to see Paul again. When he ran out of the sea with the jug and said "I got the sea water lets go to the range!" I died.
I'm kinda surprised the ocean didn't recede rapidly - "advance in an opposite direction" - as he approached.
@@gottadomor7438 me too man
His jog there, and waterlogged jog back was one hell of a flex too.
I can see the shot impacting on the target; excellent presentation Paul.
Ok here’s a little update on what I could find for anyone that’s interested . By 1895 waterproofing paper hulls were quite effective when Eley produced the Pegamoid case. This featured five layers of paper, bonded with water-resistant adhesive. Later on in the 1960s Remington introduced plastic cases and Eley started selling a plastic-cased version of the Grand Prix in 1974. They soon became the craze outselling paper case sales. Still up and help me with my World War I reference and I do remember there was an issue with shotgun shells in the trenches still looking. Although could be possible that I got everything completely wrong but I do believe that after World War I they change the construction of shotgun shells. might’ve just been military though.
Could be some sort of combination of a pump action shotgun and a muddy trench on top of the paper shells that caused issues in ww1, or maybe just bad batches of ammo. I think c&arsenal did a video on the Winchester 1897 that went more in depth on the use it saw in ww1.
I fucking love Paul man. Anyone else would've cut this video down to nothing with a cut every 10 seconds. Not Paul. He leaves the full sequence of him getting the sea water and coming back. Cinematic genius. And the Pop Tart ad **chef kisses**
should've added some Baywatch music to you running back, Paul! Great video.
Thanks Paul
This is the best test I could have asked for. I believe 1923 was also the year Winchester Staynless (non-corrosive, non-mercuric) primers started being used. The original Staynless primers were less chemically advanced than later primers, and the US Army thought they were too vulnerable to moisture during storage, resulting in less than satisfactory reliability. The primers in your old shells were probably better than 1923 primers, but I doubt the difference would matter for an hour of time submerged.
Great video. Thank you.
It's like all the ingredients of a cake, but just not quite stirred up and baked together.
ASMR of crashing waves on a beach, report of a shotgun, and Paul's Shatner-esk style of talking.
So soothing and calming. To bad you can't shoot on the beach _legally._
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♪ Skeet shootin' USA! ♪
@@Stevarooni I don't know if getting Val Kilmer to collaborate with Paul would be a good idea
Thank You For Making This in The Way only You Could When You Didnt Have to & You Put in 110% & You Went The Extra Mile Making it Cool
GreT video. I grew up with paper shot shells. Always thought they had a parifin wax added to the paper And sealed. Was a kid then, so.
As a partially disabled fan, watching him jog out of the surf with (probably) 40+ pounds of water in his hand was inspiring!
Thank you sir for your insights. I hope you are having a great time doing these videos. You have been a great help to me.
Man, that ocean looked cold. What dedication!
Great video Paul, thank you for your sacrifice……..those knees!
Fantastic. Your dedication of running into the surf in Oregon, in winter, reflects great credit upon yourself and is in keeping with the highest traditions of your channel.
On a side note I can confirm that paper shotshells dropped into a watery ice chest for a quick second, will indeed work as hoped.
That water is warm enough for us natives, this time of year. Been there many times and usually get used to the cold water after a couple minutes. Then it's fine.
Paul probably has a ton of AAMs
Paul Harrell running on the beach is something my heart desperately need and now has.
His dedication is inspirational
I have been waiting all season for the Paul Harrell beach episode! It didn't disappoint
I came up at the end of the waxed paper shotshell era. New shells were all plastic but there were tons of older paper shells around. Never had a problem with either paper or plastic. The paper shells were thick and impregnated with wax. We often did have concerns about reloaded shells because you can't reproduce the factory crimp. Still, I don't recall a single problem.
That's one of my favorite spots to shoot! Glad to see your out in my area.
One phenomenon rarely reported is with stee shotl shotgun shells. It has happened that steel shot, if exposed to moisture, can rust and fuse the shot together. This essentially turns the shot into a steel slug. Old gun magazine article.
Paul Harrel videos are top notch.
Every time
Paul Harrell videos -- where a man belongs.
Paul, i enjoy and learn a lot from all your videos…keep up the great work!
Excellent video! A good follow up would be how long underwater before some shotshells fail, and how long before most fail. Also, the depth underwater may affect the time to fail (deeper underwater means higher pressure and the water will seep in faster). I suggest a similar test but deeper underwater, perhaps 5' and also 10' deep in a swimming pool. Salt water Vs fresh water affects how quickly it corrodes, but water ingress may be similar. Of course, no one should trust personal protection to ammunition that's been underwater, but it sure is interesting to learn what happens! Great work Paul, thank you.
Ammo makers hawk their pro ammo sometimes advertising having sealing for moisture resistance even today, even brass handgun rounds.
You are awesome.
You are always well worth the watch.
You made me cry laughing with the oooops.
Thanks for all your efforts.
What impresses me the most about stuff like this is that Paul doesn't assume anything. It would have *seemed* obvious (to me anyway) that this wouldn't work. Rather than put forward a similar opinion, Paul actually went and did a real-world experiment, and figured out I (and presumably others) was wrong...
Great informations like allways. Thanks Paul
Love the pop tarts intro!
I love that Paul shows uncut the collection of the water so no one can jump in and say he didnt do it
We will never find another channel with Paul's disposition, he INDEED collected seawater just for the sake of the video
you just know that a generic channel from leviathan would not even come close to his genuine way to educate us.
Paul, you're using that Oregon background scenery to maximum effect. What a beautiful place to live !
I was half expecting Paul to just dive straight into the water after he ran out there, lol.
Outstanding as always.
The character in 1923 is a guide and big game hunter in Africa. The weapon he has is a double rifle, not s shotgun.
Paul, you've never put me to sleep, but those soothing waves certainly did. Remember those shells from the 50s/60s. I still have a 10 gauge shell from the 50s. All the best! Nice presentation. "The JJ" SW Penna.
I got caught in a heavy rain once while out with my .22. The ammo got wet and started to have about a 50 percent misfire rate. I went home, the ammo sat in a closet for a year then I tried it again and it worked.
The production of this video is AMAZING!! From the beach to the mountains within the first 5 minutes is EPIC!! Thank you, Paul, for your hard work and devotion.
Great presentation Paul, but I have one question...what about other types of modern shot shells like slugs and European roll crimped style of shells? There was a TH-camr who specifically said slugs and other shot shells with the roll crimp were not his fancy to use in Alaska because they are not water proof. I question it, as I've hunted with my 870 in snow storms, rain, ect, and I've never had a shell of any kind that would not fire when I needed it too and this also includes shells exposed to the elements that were on the side saddle of the shotgun. May be something worth a dive into if you have the time, I'm sure I'm not the only one who's curious. Thanks!
Roll crimps and slugs are indeed not watertight, and if you submerge them they are likely to fail. A little moisture probably won't hurt them, but I bet the powder will get wet if exposed to water too long or dropped underwear for a little bit. A little wax added to the end under the roll will probably fix this problem.
Love it Paul. Be careful on that beach, dangerous rip tides there! Hope you warmed up to some clam chowder.
Just when you think PH couldn't get more badass - he goes swimming in the ocean in winter!!! Respect 💪
That water is COLD year round, but yeah Paul is a badass...
@@ratroute8238 yea and that surf is not to be taken lightly as well, those waves can do a number on you even in normal temp water! I gotta give it to the man he is a warrior - humble too and that is Badass!
Thanks Paul. Another amazing video!
Hey Paul, I remember some time ago you tested cut shells, but have you ever tested split point bullets? Like the kind you cut out yourself? I've found them kind of interesting, but have found almost no real world data on them, like what they are actually doing to a target. It might be a neat idea for a video. I shoot alot of hand load 38 special and 357 loaded with cast flat point projectiles and always wondered if I could make a viable round for taking deer at close range in heavy brush.
This is a great idea, although it may be a legal hurdle, especially given laws that are being passed in the pnw
@@DyslexicTurtle Ah yeah, forgot about the problem in Oregon. Not sure if "modification" of ammo is somehow in the law.
@@DyslexicTurtle OR 114? Or is it another thing?
We have some rules about "modifying ammo" in this format, so I have been reluctant to do a presentation on this subject.
And no, I don't know how Turdfladermouse gets away with it.
I have tried drilled out and drilled and cross topped lead round nose 190gn .452. Drill diameter was 1/8". Depth was matched to a .44 cal 240gn cheap shot, approx 1/8" deep. I was using a cap and ball 1858 8" remington with 30gbv of 777 3f with #11 magnum cci caps. Target was 3 inline gallon jugs full of water. I made 3 of each. None of them expanded or fractured beyond the normal performance of said round nose.
When I get a chance I'll try this in my 50 call muzzleloader, to see if velocity changes anything. I will use sabots so as to be able to use the exact same round nose hard cast bullets.
Great video Paul be safe my friend GOD BLESS