@everydaymistics8082 have you taken any trips in your new RV? Anything you'd change? How is the upper deck, specifically the bedroom? The "step of doom" is a concern for us... we are tall and the bedroom seems cramped.
Ooh, I really like this one. Being out west, getting under 30’ is important for having more places to go. Being able to use the entire rig with the slide closed is also a major plus. And am I the only one who looked at that roof and saw all of the panel potential? Oh, and as I get older, auto level is now a must. I’m looking at you Northwood.
@TheKevin, my apologies. I don’t get noticed when folks reply. Panel potential = more solar panels. A lot of state and federal parks out here are small. In some California State Parks, if you’re over 25ft, you’re not getting in to camp.
I like it! I would prefer that the little countertop section to the right of the sink were the same height as the rest. There’s so much kitchen space that they could actually get rid of the kitchen counter/cabinet section right next to the door and replace it with a bar or desk overlooking the camp side 🎉
Here’s an idea - replace the outside mini fridge with a trash can, and make it accessible from the inside and outside. Then you don’t have to walk inside to throw stuff away, and you can empty your trash from outside too!
Excellent idea! How about having a cabinet door to provide access from the kitchen as well? Flex space so the owner can use however they like. Trash can, 12 volt Cooler, or extra storage.
Pretty much the perfect floorplan for me. I love the nook idea. I want a comfortable place to eat but don't want it to use up too much space. I was never sold on using a free standing table at a couch or just having a bar-top to eat. This is the perfect compromise. Wish this came in a TT, I prefer to keep my truck bed storage.
I like this floor plan and that dining table is a perfect craft table! Now if they can only push the innovation into a single-person 5th wheel 25' or less for a 1/2 ton short bed with zero slides, I'm ready.
Well, that's a good idea, but my first thought wuz to put my outdoor sink under that space and have the whole *kitchen* setup right there! And, if anyone else watches Finding Our Someday, you prolly know that this specific layout is their idea, and I'm thrilled to see Grand Design producing it now! And as a 5th wheel - We might even consider it for our future travels!
Diablo sandwich and a Dr. Pepper 😜😂😂. Great couples floor plan. Love all the camp side windows. Lighter cabinetry is more to my preference, particularly in smaller units. Has a bit of a Winnebago vibe to the decor. The triple recliner is awesome. Definitely agree on the 3/4 ton tow vehicle, particularly if you want to go anywhere near the mountains. Into the top tier with the rear dinette floor plans.
GD nailed this floor plan. GD needs to relocate the electrical outlet on both sides of the bedroom headboard down to just under the nightstand lights. We both have a USB fan, USB watch charger and a USB iPhone charger, this 3 cables wrapping around your head while you sleep. Please tell GD to move these outlets down under the nightstand lights where all your devices will be anyway. All trailers should come with extra solar to power a 2000watt inverter so your 110v outlets are hot to watch tv.
Not a bad layout for sure. Might be one to consider as we are looking at the 260rd. As someone who trims house, installs cabinets and all that jazz for a living, the 2 - 2 1/2”gap on the left side of the microwave looks like a mistake. Cabinet should fit tight on both sides. That would bug me. They need to make hat cabinet above the microwave 30” and then make that cabinet to the left bigger to make up the extra space.
Love what they did with this model! 👏🏻 it’s great to see brands reworking the “dining” areas. YAY for real travel access! Been looking at 5th wheels of this size/similar layout and it seems like most get a D- for travel access. Love all the kitchen space in this. Also love that the bathroom cabinet is not a head bumper! I wash my face in the bathroom sink at least once a day and not getting a daily concussion from that would be nice 😁 Thanks Josh!
Late to the party with this one, but this is a great size and layout. I love the breakfast nook idea, plenty of seating - you could easily add a folding chair/s. My only suggestion would be a retractable tv that comes up from behind the fireplace. If you’re watching tv you’re probably not going to be looking out the window.
Steps ... I know it limits the floorplans, but I love my "exterior" roll up/under steps (the "old" style) on my 2019 2600RB. And I have little Lippert "feet" that make contact with the ground so we don't have the traditional bounce. I don't have to worry about how level the site is (I've seen others have to reposition the trailer as they couldn't fully deploy the steps). Also ... I can quickly drop things in the trailer (just on the floor) without having to pull stairs down. If I had longer legs I could probably hop into the trailer for a quick in/out ... but alas, that is not the case!
There are button guards on Etsy for those theater seats. Same buttons in our 22RBE. Those button guards definitely help prevent accidentally hitting any of the buttons. Would like to see the entry steps be the 4-step instead of 3-step (looks like you would need a small step stool to get up to the first step).
Great new design. I'd prefer it flipped and the seating and larger windows on the campsite. This is very nice though. I'm glad that they still kept the windows, even with the flip.
Another great tour Josh, thank you. After looking at dozens of videos this is the best fit for my requirements BUT, am I the only one that isn't in love with this color?
Really like the layout. The corner dinette with that clipped corner looks awkward. Since it isn't a sleeper I would have preferred an oval or round table with a radius cushion in the corner. Primo spot for one, great for two, cozy for 3 and possibly 4 with a side chair.
I am in love with that kitchen! You can't beat the amt of counter space. The dropped counter next to the sink is odd, but would make a good home for the coffee pot. The nook is cute, and handier that those little couches that always look awkward to me. I would prefer a free standing table though. I don't care for the side table on the bed. It's attractive and all, but I'd rather leave the whole thing open than it be cut like it is.
I just purchased this unit and pick it up next month. I have been following you for years and it was between this and the Rockwood 2442 BS. The travel mode in this is what won me over. I become a full time RVer next spring and It's just me and my dog so perfect 5th wheel for me. Thanks for all the videos you do and your honesty.
I only saw a couple of things I would change, like you've said before, there is no perfect camper for everyone. I totally agree. But I will say this, when I compare this to our 2800BH that we love, that is the best overall couples camper that I've seen so far. I absolutely love it!! Great video sir as always!
Seems like one I would definitely consider when my wife and I are empty nester's. Seeing how our first daughter is 18 months old.... It might be awhile lol. Thanks for Sharing Josh.
I think that 24rk was retired for the new 23ML which he like a cougar 23MLE which is similar to this It’s largely personal preference. They’re built and equipped more similarly than differently really Avenue has a wide body which is nice
very nice unit. Clearly a size that is very towable and capable of being put into state/provincial park type sites with relative ease. Great review...thanks
I love this floor plan and had been stalking it on line for months. Was super excited to see it at the National Rally last month. Got my husband to check it out and discovered 2 things. The trim piece on the slide side of the dinette that holds the table up sticks out and is SHARP! Husband got a huge gash across his calf when he slid into the dinette. They really need to cap that somehow. And the dinette on the bathroom side is pretty tight..it has to be that way so the slide can come in, but table is super close to the seat. Between those two things it was pretty much a deal breaker for my husband. Then we checked out the 310GK..have you done a video on that one? Husband loved it (and of course so did I!)but we’d have to buy another truck..😂😂😂😂
LOVE THIS ONE.... If I get a new one this will be the one! My only thing would be to make it a stand alone table. I love all the windows. Yes they need to make that over the toilet cabinet smaller or take it out.
I love this layout! Finally, not a U dinette as the only seating/lounging option in a 'small' camper trailer. The only thing I'd like is generator prep. I could see putting my own in the very front storage.
1. How about a TV televator. 2. Why does the counter drop down to the right of the sink? Bad idea. What is this supposed to do for me? 3. Free floating table please. 4. Yes, use a real fan in the bathroom. 5. It'd be nice if some company could design and test for slide furniture to be usable when slides are in.
I think this is a great floorplan with this length. We have a '20 KZ Durango 250RED and they also did a great job with their layout. One of the things I love the most about the Durango is that it has a coat closet-genius! This is a contender for that shorter length for sure!
I think this is my favorite option in the under 30' fifth wheel category. My must haves: bathroom accessible in travel mode, 30x36" shower, outdoor grill, theater seats with recliners, open feel.
I have been dreaming of my own RV since as a kid I realized they were forts for adults - but I got to stay in one at my sister-in-laws where it was being used as a guest house and I actually needed a step stool to get in and out of the bed (vertically challenged) it made me rethink the ankle breaker death step in the bedroom as a possible feature I may enjoy ... my one wish to customize it to my tastes is could I trade some overhead cabinets in the kitchen over the sink for a bigger window to let my view in (especially while i do dishes).
Line from the movie Tombstone… When the world doesn’t fit,friend, make adjustments. I also like the steps around the beds. Makes it easier for our camping kitty to get up onto the bed 😻.
My 2 cents, lose the tootsie toaster and put the TV in a pop up from below. That would add cabinet space above while only losing a little below. Solve the neck wrecker issue. And eliminate a useless gimmick.
LOVE IT. My only tiny quirk is that I think a little free-standing table would be more convenient. It's not a deal breaker, it's just my 2-cents. 99.9% perfection.
I have a 200 mk with free standing table. It heave and a pain to setup. ib went onn amazoea bought a small aluminium table which is better, but it still nice to have it setup when i t built in. No tear down and setup
we just got this model. The table location is where is should be. The counter space on both sides of stove is perfect. Getting rid of the slide in the bedroom saves on weight and wont be missed since all we do is sleep in the bedroom
Wow! This hits almost every thing I want! The length is perfect. 'Road mode' is awesome!! Including a place to sit & eat w/o being in the slide. I like the outdoor fridge for cold beers (& cool waters). Outdoor griddle is great too 🙂. It is not tooo heavy. Just one thing, if they just offered it with a King bed option, I would order one now!
Love the corner dinette - so much more practical. Like the wide 3 seat recliners with drop down in the middle. Great kitchen. Does this exact floor plan come in a non-5th wheel? Since my dad has fallen many times on the bedroom steps, I'm no longer a fan of 5rh wheels. Agree with you on the ankle biting step up floor under the bed.
I discovered that step was due to the fact they have the pivoting pin box. It requires the extra upper deck structure that they using, which force is the mini step.
Either move the TV down or put a mount that allows you to tilt it down. I might actually prefer a hideabed sofa just in case we have a guest. Those theater seats just really aren't that comfortable. Just look when you kick back and recline. Your ankles and feet hang off the end. I understand that manufacturers are trying to stay under the 10k pound threshold, but adding a bedroom slide wouldn't add that much weight when you consider that you're going to need a 3/4 ton either way. Any HD truck that can handle 10k can handle 10.5k. I like the bedroom, but one extra foot would give you so much more room to move around and get dressed. The side-stand setup is perfect. The step down can certainly be an issue when I'm 3/4 asleep.
We love our 2021 260RD but wish this was available in 2021. The only issue we have with our 260 is the lack of access to the bedroom/bathroom when traveling. We use Harvest host and sometimes there's not enough level parking or space to open the slide and we sleep in the couch recliners. This 270 will be great for long travels.
Wow! This 5th wheel is awesome, and just what I'm looking for! Plenty of room in the entertainment area for company! Thanks for bringing this one to our attention, Josh! And BTW, your videos are very awesome and informational.
They address everything slide with recliners t.v. across from the recliners plus an electric heater can use refrigerator and you can use it same way with bathroom and bedroom mike
Great video. GD nail it on this model, it's pretty much a perfect rv I give it a A- because I wish they would install power recliners. The door above the griddle is probably fire proof. I think they should have the make these in door step standard if would be one more upgrade you don't have to do. We presntly own the 2023 GD Reflection 226RK. Very happy with it.
We have a 28 foot forest river fifth wheel rear kitchen and when loaded the pin box is light on weight. When going over bumps on the road or high way the pin box would lift the fifth wheel hitch . Awesome video. Denis from Santa Rosa CA.
We have the OG of this floorplan, Rockwood 2622RK. We lucked out and got the 2022 so we were able to get the optional theater seats instead of the dinette set. I do like the small dinette in this model instead the little couch we got. The Rockwood doesn't have a pantry but does have more windows in the kitchen. The other big difference is closet slide in the bedroom. We love our Rockwood BUT this model does have a couple of things I like.
Love the under 30 ft and you get seating and a table. Usually its one or the other. This checks alot of boxes for me. BTW, your roll of the couch had me cracking up.
1. I love a banquette. It’s a space saver of floor square footage. 2. Finally, proper seat placement for tv viewing. If the fire place kitchen cabinet was as deep as the others, they could install a Televater behind the fire place so people don’t have to strain their necks back to see tv. And by moving tv down, you gain upper cabinets. 3. I noticed more drawers in the lower cabinetry. I think I can speak for most or all seniors, we don’t want or can’t get down on our knees easily anymore nor do we want to bend over or squat to retrieve stuff in the back of lower cabinets. Pulling out a lower drawer takes up no more space than the opening of a door so why not install drawers.
I remember seeing a couple renovate their RV on TH-cam who did this floor plan. You remember him saying that he had to cut the table at an angle cuz he hit walking past. I think their video is a year old. I do like this floor plan.
Finding Our Someday has the TT version with the bunkhouse at the rear. They did take out the little couch and built their own Nook there. Probably where GD got the idea.
Love the size but would love to see a televator for the tv so they could put a bigger window on that wall. Also would like to see the stove and sink swapped places and add a big window over sink with upper cabinets on both sides of window. I’d rather do dishes and look out at my camp view not the rear view. Currently have the Reflection RL295, love all the windows we have but would like something smaller and have not seen a smaller 5th wheel that has the windows on the camp side like ours.
My favorite thing about many Grand Design rigs is the way they do that counter extension under the tv that gives you extra kitchen work space when/if you need it, but converts back to "living room" space when you don't. The idea of making features convertible or multi-purpose in order to maximize functionality in the small spaces of RVs seems to be neglected by most manufacturers. After seeing the same awkward, tired floorplans over and over I wonder why there haven't been more sensible innovations. Grand Design offers a refreshing exception, and seems to be among the best at making good use of available space even in smaller units. Mini kitchens may be fine for people who don't like to cook, but even making a sandwich or washing out a few cereal bowls just seems like it would be a more cramped and fussy task with so little working space, and frankly if I'm going to be towing around a trailer any larger than a teardrop, I expect to have at least some working counter space. The corner dinette is a great idea, because after inadequate work space and storage in a kitchen, the thing I hate most is the "neck wrecker" layout. This solves that problem while still allowing for a dedicated dinette that can also convert to additional lounge space if wanted, then convert back to dining for a couple and their guests. Your tip about adding dining chairs is right on point. There are good folding dining chair options available that would work perfectly here and then stow when not needed. An improvement I'd like to see is making the dinette seating a tad more comfy or "couch-like," what you'd call a "dinofa," so that it truly could serve for both lounge and dining. A lagoon table that can easily remove to make that area into couch/lounge seating, or allow for the use of a larger freestanding table to accommodate more guests would also level up this dining solution into a more truly multi-purpose area. Appreciate the counter space and decent storage in the bathroom, and the ample headroom. I like the bedroom but would prefer to see the area around the bed covered in something other than carpet, and would like to see a small utility drawer at each bedside in addition to the bottom cabinet. Having a small drawer to throw little things like lip balm, ear buds, glasses, etc., is really helpful at the bedside and something I miss when it isn't there. Oh, and I'd wish for an option to delete the outside kitchen and have that storage space for the inside kitchen instead. You could mod this yourself along with the other stuff I list, but it would be nice to not have to buy features you don't want / have to change yourself. Still, a great rig with lots of potential for dialing in given a little dyi, and definitely one I'd consider.
I really like the overall design. I have a few personal quirks that I noticed. I don’t like the entertainment area not being symmetrical. I am also kind of miffed about the gap on the left of the microwave. I agree with other viewer’s comments about an option to remove the outside kitchen for additional storage.
Nice unit! I do so wish folks would add a cream color upholstery or some color that is much lighter to open up and brighten the place. It’s a couple’s unit and we don’t have to worry as much about kids and spills. Maybe offer a light colored upholstery but keep the wood tones for cost and efficiency purposes? It’s too dark for me to purchase. Can sofa be the tri-fold sort? Love love love the standard anti -lock brakes, TPMS, and leveling, and awesome kitchen - thank you.
Three things I wish they would change. First, make that little drawer section counter top the same height as the rest of the counter. Second, install a large rain sensor vent fan with cover in the bathroom to match the kitchen vent fan. Third, install a 2000 watt button victron inverter with inverter receptacles in the rv so we can add more solar and run the 120 appliances & ac with soft start. Then it would be perfect. This would compete with Cougar & Rockwood.
Finding Your Someday, a Grand Design ambassador, did this dinette / sofa swap in their 5 yr old Reflection about a year ago & that's where GD got the idea from.
Seems like a nice 5th wheel. 1st step is to high. Would prefer the alum steps that fold underneath. Would be a pain crawling underneath to check spare tire air pressure. Hope they have tire mounted so you don’t have to drop tire to check air pressure . Would be nice if they made walls thicker so elect outlet were on wall. Nice video Josh
I really like the bedroom if you have small dogs or cats. The bed in my travel trailer is so dang high, I have to have a step stool to get in it, plus I have to have doggie steps also which makes it really hard to get in the bed for me and my dogs!! This way, me and my pups can get in bed without any steps! Perfect! Love all the counters too! The bathroom is just about perfect too!
Finally! A smaller 5th wheel that I'd consider buying.
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Saw this video on Tuesday. Bought the rv on Saturday! Can hardly wait to take our first trip!
Hope it treats you well! Mind dropping me a quick review at g.page/r/CdPcitNVx2nDEAg/review if my video was helpful to you?
@everydaymistics8082 have you taken any trips in your new RV? Anything you'd change? How is the upper deck, specifically the bedroom? The "step of doom" is a concern for us... we are tall and the bedroom seems cramped.
A wardrobe slide in the bedroom would make this absolutely perfect
Ooh, I really like this one. Being out west, getting under 30’ is important for having more places to go. Being able to use the entire rig with the slide closed is also a major plus. And am I the only one who looked at that roof and saw all of the panel potential? Oh, and as I get older, auto level is now a must. I’m looking at you Northwood.
What do you mean by "panel potential"?
Also, what is the significance of 30ft out West? State Parks? National Parks? Thx!
@TheKevin, my apologies. I don’t get noticed when folks reply. Panel potential = more solar panels. A lot of state and federal parks out here are small. In some California State Parks, if you’re over 25ft, you’re not getting in to camp.
I like it! I would prefer that the little countertop section to the right of the sink were the same height as the rest. There’s so much kitchen space that they could actually get rid of the kitchen counter/cabinet section right next to the door and replace it with a bar or desk overlooking the camp side 🎉
Great idea! Thank you
Love that L-shape table. With two chairs added, it’s perfect for playing games.
Agreed!
Here’s an idea - replace the outside mini fridge with a trash can, and make it accessible from the inside and outside. Then you don’t have to walk inside to throw stuff away, and you can empty your trash from outside too!
I love indoor outdoor trashcan set ups. It is a really good idea.
YES! I totally agree! That would be awesome. 🥰💕🙏👍🏻👍🏻😎
Excellent idea! How about having a cabinet door to provide access from the kitchen as well? Flex space so the owner can use however they like. Trash can, 12 volt Cooler, or extra storage.
Pretty much the perfect floorplan for me. I love the nook idea. I want a comfortable place to eat but don't want it to use up too much space. I was never sold on using a free standing table at a couch or just having a bar-top to eat. This is the perfect compromise. Wish this came in a TT, I prefer to keep my truck bed storage.
If this had a full bed slide to allow a bigger closet in the bedroom it would be perfect for my husband and me.
Agree!!
I like this floor plan and that dining table is a perfect craft table! Now if they can only push the innovation into a single-person 5th wheel 25' or less for a 1/2 ton short bed with zero slides, I'm ready.
This one is sweet only obvious miss was the door on the outside fridge going up instead of making a drink table by opening down like a draw bridge
Oooh I like that
Excellent idea 💡
Well, that's a good idea, but my first thought wuz to put my outdoor sink under that space and have the whole *kitchen* setup right there! And, if anyone else watches Finding Our Someday, you prolly know that this specific layout is their idea, and I'm thrilled to see Grand Design producing it now! And as a 5th wheel - We might even consider it for our future travels!
Slide a piece of wood etc. under your fridge to create a cantilevered surface.
Diablo sandwich and a Dr. Pepper 😜😂😂. Great couples floor plan. Love all the camp side windows. Lighter cabinetry is more to my preference, particularly in smaller units. Has a bit of a Winnebago vibe to the decor. The triple recliner is awesome. Definitely agree on the 3/4 ton tow vehicle, particularly if you want to go anywhere near the mountains. Into the top tier with the rear dinette floor plans.
Man I never expected a Diablo sandwich comment to generate so much buzz lol
GD nailed this floor plan. GD needs to relocate the electrical outlet on both sides of the bedroom headboard down to just under the nightstand lights. We both have a USB fan, USB watch charger and a USB iPhone charger, this 3 cables wrapping around your head while you sleep. Please tell GD to move these outlets down under the nightstand lights where all your devices will be anyway. All trailers should come with extra solar to power a 2000watt inverter so your 110v outlets are hot to watch tv.
Not a bad layout for sure. Might be one to consider as we are looking at the 260rd. As someone who trims house, installs cabinets and all that jazz for a living, the 2 - 2 1/2”gap on the left side of the microwave looks like a mistake. Cabinet should fit tight on both sides. That would bug me. They need to make hat cabinet above the microwave 30” and then make that cabinet to the left bigger to make up the extra space.
Agree 100%. That would bug me to no end. Not a very Grand Design.
Love what they did with this model! 👏🏻 it’s great to see brands reworking the “dining” areas.
YAY for real travel access! Been looking at 5th wheels of this size/similar layout and it seems like most get a D- for travel access. Love all the kitchen space in this. Also love that the bathroom cabinet is not a head bumper! I wash my face in the bathroom sink at least once a day and not getting a daily concussion from that would be nice 😁
Thanks Josh!
My pleasure!
Definitely a great floorplan by Grand Design.... Thanks Nerd👍
You bet!
Considering that oddly colored baggage door is over the grill, maybe it's a heat resistant coating?
Heat, and grease-proof. 😉
I discovered that’s exactly what it is. Apparently you were smarter than me lol.
I've always had a love for side entry vis rear and that's a great floorplan.
Really nice except for high tv and that bedroom step.
I so love that they didn’t put the sky light in the bathroom. It helps for a little cleaner roof surface. I really like this lay out. Awesome!
I totally agree!
Love this floor plan ! This counter top gives me a space for my sewing machine so I can work on my quilts.
Yes it does!
Thank you for describing the Reflection 150. We are impressed with this Trlr. We believe it's THE one.
Good choice!
They nailed the seating. Really liked the theatre seat in the slide with the L shaped dinette to the side.
Agreed
Is it the angle or is the microwave not centered in its location?
A couple things to make this one perfect for me would be a king bed option and free floating table. Otherwise checks all my needs. Thanks Josh
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Late to the party with this one, but this is a great size and layout. I love the breakfast nook idea, plenty of seating - you could easily add a folding chair/s. My only suggestion would be a retractable tv that comes up from behind the fireplace. If you’re watching tv you’re probably not going to be looking out the window.
That's a great idea!
Steps ... I know it limits the floorplans, but I love my "exterior" roll up/under steps (the "old" style) on my 2019 2600RB. And I have little Lippert "feet" that make contact with the ground so we don't have the traditional bounce. I don't have to worry about how level the site is (I've seen others have to reposition the trailer as they couldn't fully deploy the steps). Also ... I can quickly drop things in the trailer (just on the floor) without having to pull stairs down. If I had longer legs I could probably hop into the trailer for a quick in/out ... but alas, that is not the case!
Yeah, if a floor plan requires stable steps, but I totally get it. Otherwise, I like the idea of those flip down feet that you mentioned.
There are button guards on Etsy for those theater seats. Same buttons in our 22RBE. Those button guards definitely help prevent accidentally hitting any of the buttons. Would like to see the entry steps be the 4-step instead of 3-step (looks like you would need a small step stool to get up to the first step).
Ty for the Etsy tip
Yeah that's a big first step!
Great new design. I'd prefer it flipped and the seating and larger windows on the campsite. This is very nice though. I'm glad that they still kept the windows, even with the flip.
Another great tour Josh, thank you. After looking at dozens of videos this is the best fit for my requirements BUT, am I the only one that isn't in love with this color?
You’re not alone but it remains popular overall
We have a 2018 220 RK grand designs here in New Zealand, it is a greatt couples van and we really enjoy it. I recommend looking at one .
I know you came out with this video 11 mo. ago I love this design more than any other travel trailer or 5th wheel. THIS is the one I am buying 🎉😊
TY for watching! :)
A wish theses guys would start using pop up plugs, we hate having the cords to everything hanging.
Totally fair
I do agree
Excellent layout. Would like to see this as a flat-deck !
Washer/dryer prep & outdoor plumed sink would make it perfect !
Flat deck you say? Try this: th-cam.com/video/nriSk_vcM1I/w-d-xo.html
Cougar has something similar coming
Put the tv on a telovater then add more cabinets
Really like the layout. The corner dinette with that clipped corner looks awkward. Since it isn't a sleeper I would have preferred an oval or round table with a radius cushion in the corner. Primo spot for one, great for two, cozy for 3 and possibly 4 with a side chair.
I am in love with that kitchen! You can't beat the amt of counter space. The dropped counter next to the sink is odd, but would make a good home for the coffee pot.
The nook is cute, and handier that those little couches that always look awkward to me. I would prefer a free standing table though.
I don't care for the side table on the bed. It's attractive and all, but I'd rather leave the whole thing open than it be cut like it is.
Great idea!!
@@JoshtheRVNerd I think we both know how important it is to have coffee within easy reach.
I just purchased this unit and pick it up next month. I have been following you for years and it was between this and the Rockwood 2442 BS. The travel mode in this is what won me over. I become a full time RVer next spring and It's just me and my dog so perfect 5th wheel for me. Thanks for all the videos you do and your honesty.
Great pick. I think you're going to enjoy it
I only saw a couple of things I would change, like you've said before, there is no perfect camper for everyone. I totally agree. But I will say this, when I compare this to our 2800BH that we love, that is the best overall couples camper that I've seen so far. I absolutely love it!! Great video sir as always!
Ty!
Seems like one I would definitely consider when my wife and I are empty nester's. Seeing how our first daughter is 18 months old.... It might be awhile lol.
Thanks for Sharing Josh.
Thank you for watching!
Love any fifth 32’ and under! Usually just the wife and me and occasionally the grandson so we don’t need the 40 footer!!! Very nice unit!
Yeah, I tend to subscribe to similar theories. Thank you.
Hey Josh, how would you compare this to the Alliance 24RK? They both seems to be laid out the same.
I think that 24rk was retired for the new 23ML which he like a cougar 23MLE which is similar to this
It’s largely personal preference. They’re built and equipped more similarly than differently really
Avenue has a wide body which is nice
This is really nice and well thought out. Of course I always think that every new RV you show is great.
Lol ty
very nice unit. Clearly a size that is very towable and capable of being put into state/provincial park type sites with relative ease. Great review...thanks
It sure is!
I love this floor plan and had been stalking it on line for months. Was super excited to see it at the National Rally last month. Got my husband to check it out and discovered 2 things. The trim piece on the slide side of the dinette that holds the table up sticks out and is SHARP! Husband got a huge gash across his calf when he slid into the dinette. They really need to cap that somehow. And the dinette on the bathroom side is pretty tight..it has to be that way so the slide can come in, but table is super close to the seat. Between those two things it was pretty much a deal breaker for my husband. Then we checked out the 310GK..have you done a video on that one? Husband loved it (and of course so did I!)but we’d have to buy another truck..😂😂😂😂
You should see my shins when I am recording a lot. I am always busted and gashed up
LOVE THIS ONE.... If I get a new one this will be the one! My only thing would be to make it a stand alone table. I love all the windows. Yes they need to make that over the toilet cabinet smaller or take it out.
Thx Laura
That is the reason it is Top on my list for the road mode (love the pocket door).
Very cool design! Why does the microwave not fill the cabinet opening? Free floating table would be nice. Thanks again Josh!
Yeah, I noticed that too. 🤔
I love this layout! Finally, not a U dinette as the only seating/lounging option in a 'small' camper trailer. The only thing I'd like is generator prep. I could see putting my own in the very front storage.
Agreed. They nailed the seating. Just need to lower the rv a bit I feel
1. How about a TV televator. 2. Why does the counter drop down to the right of the sink? Bad idea. What is this supposed to do for me? 3. Free floating table please. 4. Yes, use a real fan in the bathroom. 5. It'd be nice if some company could design and test for slide furniture to be usable when slides are in.
I think this is a great floorplan with this length. We have a '20 KZ Durango 250RED and they also did a great job with their layout. One of the things I love the most about the Durango is that it has a coat closet-genius! This is a contender for that shorter length for sure!
Coat closets by the door are so handy
I really like this model.
I think this is my favorite option in the under 30' fifth wheel category. My must haves: bathroom accessible in travel mode, 30x36" shower, outdoor grill, theater seats with recliners, open feel.
Try this one th-cam.com/video/TpHM3NJBNhU/w-d-xo.html
I have been dreaming of my own RV since as a kid I realized they were forts for adults - but I got to stay in one at my sister-in-laws where it was being used as a guest house and I actually needed a step stool to get in and out of the bed (vertically challenged) it made me rethink the ankle breaker death step in the bedroom as a possible feature I may enjoy ... my one wish to customize it to my tastes is could I trade some overhead cabinets in the kitchen over the sink for a bigger window to let my view in (especially while i do dishes).
Sometimes perspective is a bitter pill but great teacher
Line from the movie Tombstone… When the world doesn’t fit,friend, make adjustments. I also like the steps around the beds. Makes it easier for our camping kitty to get up onto the bed 😻.
My 2 cents, lose the tootsie toaster and put the TV in a pop up from below. That would add cabinet space above while only losing a little below. Solve the neck wrecker issue. And eliminate a useless gimmick.
Televator could be neat but those heaters are super useful for a lot of people
LOVE IT. My only tiny quirk is that I think a little free-standing table would be more convenient. It's not a deal breaker, it's just my 2-cents. 99.9% perfection.
I have a 200 mk with free standing table. It heave and a pain to setup. ib went onn amazoea bought a small aluminium table which is better, but it still nice to have it setup when i t built in. No tear down and setup
The tables GD uses are nice when setup but yeah.. they’re a bit of work
Would have loved a bigger fridge option. But WOW
we just got this model. The table location is where is should be. The counter space on both sides of stove is perfect. Getting rid of the slide in the bedroom saves on weight and wont be missed since all we do is sleep in the bedroom
Glad to hear it's treating you well!
Why is there a gap besides the microwave? Seems like a miss to me. A larger awning would be nice.
Overall it's incredible. I love the Floorplan!
Wow! This hits almost every thing I want!
The length is perfect.
'Road mode' is awesome!! Including a place to sit & eat w/o being in the slide.
I like the outdoor fridge for cold beers (& cool waters).
Outdoor griddle is great too 🙂.
It is not tooo heavy.
Just one thing, if they just offered it with a King bed option, I would order one now!
Helpful input! Ty
Oh yeah, this just moved to my #1 pick. Thanks nerd!
My pleasure
Hey whats going on with that big gap on one side of the microwave?
I really like this layout. This is a great couples rv. I'm filing this one away. Thanks Josh! ⛺️
Glad you like it!
Wow, power recliner and we are buyers. Where shopping right now
Love the corner dinette - so much more practical. Like the wide 3 seat recliners with drop down in the middle. Great kitchen. Does this exact floor plan come in a non-5th wheel? Since my dad has fallen many times on the bedroom steps, I'm no longer a fan of 5rh wheels. Agree with you on the ankle biting step up floor under the bed.
I discovered that step was due to the fact they have the pivoting pin box. It requires the extra upper deck structure that they using, which force is the mini step.
Either move the TV down or put a mount that allows you to tilt it down. I might actually prefer a hideabed sofa just in case we have a guest. Those theater seats just really aren't that comfortable. Just look when you kick back and recline. Your ankles and feet hang off the end.
I understand that manufacturers are trying to stay under the 10k pound threshold, but adding a bedroom slide wouldn't add that much weight when you consider that you're going to need a 3/4 ton either way. Any HD truck that can handle 10k can handle 10.5k.
I like the bedroom, but one extra foot would give you so much more room to move around and get dressed. The side-stand setup is perfect. The step down can certainly be an issue when I'm 3/4 asleep.
I think they were really focusing on under 30ft here. Bed slide would actually add at least 22" surprisingly
We love our 2021 260RD but wish this was available in 2021. The only issue we have with our 260 is the lack of access to the bedroom/bathroom when traveling. We use Harvest host and sometimes there's not enough level parking or space to open the slide and we sleep in the couch recliners. This 270 will be great for long travels.
Ty! I think this one is a great improvement on the classic setup
You may also consider looking at cougar’s 23mle
Thank you for finally getting a video out on this one...
You bet!
Great review. Thanks! It would be nice to have a pull-out desk top on the counter under the TV.
Great idea!
Excellent, I would like to make this one my next camper.
Good pick
I love this! The recliners where they are with the dinette over to the side! Perfect! 🤩😎
Thank you!! 😊
Wow! This 5th wheel is awesome, and just what I'm looking for! Plenty of room in the entertainment area for company! Thanks for bringing this one to our attention, Josh! And BTW, your videos are very awesome and informational.
Glad you like it!
You won't find anyone showing and making an RV video better than Josh.
They address everything slide with recliners t.v. across from the recliners plus an electric heater can use refrigerator and you can use it same way with bathroom and bedroom mike
That is an excellent dinette for a big dog family!
Great video. GD nail it on this model, it's pretty much a perfect rv I give it a A- because I wish they would install power recliners. The door above the griddle is probably fire proof. I think they should have the make these in door step standard if would be one more upgrade you don't have to do. We presntly own the 2023 GD Reflection 226RK. Very happy with it.
Love seeing this. Thank you!
Love this one. This may have moved to the top of my list if and when we decide to downsize!
Good choice!
We have a 28 foot forest river fifth wheel rear kitchen and when loaded the pin box is light on weight. When going over bumps on the road or high way the pin box would lift the fifth wheel hitch . Awesome video. Denis from Santa Rosa CA.
Oh wow..
We have the OG of this floorplan, Rockwood 2622RK. We lucked out and got the 2022 so we were able to get the optional theater seats instead of the dinette set. I do like the small dinette in this model instead the little couch we got. The Rockwood doesn't have a pantry but does have more windows in the kitchen. The other big difference is closet slide in the bedroom.
We love our Rockwood BUT this model does have a couple of things I like.
Yeah, dinette or theater seating has always been available as an option in that rockwood. Still is
@@JoshtheRVNerd I thought they didn't have the theater seats as an option anymore in 2023
Josh, if this can tow a rigid tandem I can put my motorcycle on, you may have sold me one of these!
I think as long as it stays under 3000 pounds total and 300 pounds tongue weight you’re good
Love it. I do think one more step would be nice. Thanks Josh
Noted!
Love the under 30 ft and you get seating and a table. Usually its one or the other. This checks alot of boxes for me. BTW, your roll of the couch had me cracking up.
Had my hip cracking up too lol
I love this just the way it is!!
Ty!
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Great layout and great review overall. I like this layout a lot. Is there dead space behind the angled wall panels in the front corners by the bed?
I’m not sure what might be there. Usually things like that are used to cover wiring
1. I love a banquette. It’s a space saver of floor square footage.
2. Finally, proper seat placement for tv viewing. If the fire place kitchen cabinet was as deep as the others, they could install a Televater behind the fire place so people don’t have to strain their necks back to see tv. And by moving tv down, you gain upper cabinets.
3. I noticed more drawers in the lower cabinetry. I think I can speak for most or all seniors, we don’t want or can’t get down on our knees easily anymore nor do we want to bend over or squat to retrieve stuff in the back of lower cabinets. Pulling out a lower drawer takes up no more space than the opening of a door so why not install drawers.
Appreciate the insights. TY for watching! :)
Just noticed that the Microwave doesn't completely fill the allotted spot. There's a gap on the left side.
Yep. Allows for larger aftermarket upfits
"Visible heat" 🔥🔥can be problematic. Such a simple and elegant solution to the normal shortcomings this layout traditionally presents.
Glad you like it!
I remember seeing a couple renovate their RV on TH-cam who did this floor plan. You remember him saying that he had to cut the table at an angle cuz he hit walking past. I think their video is a year old. I do like this floor plan.
Finding Our Someday has the TT version with the bunkhouse at the rear. They did take out the little couch and built their own Nook there. Probably where GD got the idea.
Love the size but would love to see a televator for the tv so they could put a bigger window on that wall. Also would like to see the stove and sink swapped places and add a big window over sink with upper cabinets on both sides of window. I’d rather do dishes and look out at my camp view not the rear view. Currently have the Reflection RL295, love all the windows we have but would like something smaller and have not seen a smaller 5th wheel that has the windows on the camp side like ours.
Camp side windows are hard to do nicely when the rv gets shorter
My favorite thing about many Grand Design rigs is the way they do that counter extension under the tv that gives you extra kitchen work space when/if you need it, but converts back to "living room" space when you don't. The idea of making features convertible or multi-purpose in order to maximize functionality in the small spaces of RVs seems to be neglected by most manufacturers. After seeing the same awkward, tired floorplans over and over I wonder why there haven't been more sensible innovations. Grand Design offers a refreshing exception, and seems to be among the best at making good use of available space even in smaller units. Mini kitchens may be fine for people who don't like to cook, but even making a sandwich or washing out a few cereal bowls just seems like it would be a more cramped and fussy task with so little working space, and frankly if I'm going to be towing around a trailer any larger than a teardrop, I expect to have at least some working counter space.
The corner dinette is a great idea, because after inadequate work space and storage in a kitchen, the thing I hate most is the "neck wrecker" layout. This solves that problem while still allowing for a dedicated dinette that can also convert to additional lounge space if wanted, then convert back to dining for a couple and their guests. Your tip about adding dining chairs is right on point. There are good folding dining chair options available that would work perfectly here and then stow when not needed. An improvement I'd like to see is making the dinette seating a tad more comfy or "couch-like," what you'd call a "dinofa," so that it truly could serve for both lounge and dining. A lagoon table that can easily remove to make that area into couch/lounge seating, or allow for the use of a larger freestanding table to accommodate more guests would also level up this dining solution into a more truly multi-purpose area.
Appreciate the counter space and decent storage in the bathroom, and the ample headroom. I like the bedroom but would prefer to see the area around the bed covered in something other than carpet, and would like to see a small utility drawer at each bedside in addition to the bottom cabinet. Having a small drawer to throw little things like lip balm, ear buds, glasses, etc., is really helpful at the bedside and something I miss when it isn't there.
Oh, and I'd wish for an option to delete the outside kitchen and have that storage space for the inside kitchen instead. You could mod this yourself along with the other stuff I list, but it would be nice to not have to buy features you don't want / have to change yourself. Still, a great rig with lots of potential for dialing in given a little dyi, and definitely one I'd consider.
Camp kitchen deletes seem reasonable but typically are not offered
Love the size and that maybe a jackknife sofa only
I really like the overall design. I have a few personal quirks that I noticed. I don’t like the entertainment area not being symmetrical. I am also kind of miffed about the gap on the left of the microwave. I agree with other viewer’s comments about an option to remove the outside kitchen for additional storage.
That gap has to have a purpose. Maybe another size microwave?
Yeah that would trigger my OCD big time
The gap is there to allow for an aftermarket, residential size microwave
@@JoshtheRVNerd Why don't they just put one in by default - with a convection option.
Nice unit! I do so wish folks would add a cream color upholstery or some color that is much lighter to open up and brighten the place. It’s a couple’s unit and we don’t have to worry as much about kids and spills. Maybe offer a light colored upholstery but keep the wood tones for cost and efficiency purposes? It’s too dark for me to purchase.
Can sofa be the tri-fold sort?
Love love love the standard anti -lock brakes, TPMS, and leveling, and awesome kitchen - thank you.
Pretty sure you can option a tri-fold sofa into these but our local folks can verify for you
Understand why it was done, but the electric outlets like that are a pain if one is wearing bifocals. 4 step entry would be nice. 🦅😎🇺🇸
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Great for plan! Love the corner dinette!
Thank you!! 😊
Three things I wish they would change. First, make that little drawer section counter top the same height as the rest of the counter. Second, install a large rain sensor vent fan with cover in the bathroom to match the kitchen vent fan. Third, install a 2000 watt button victron inverter with inverter receptacles in the rv so we can add more solar and run the 120 appliances & ac with soft start. Then it would be perfect. This would compete with Cougar & Rockwood.
Ty Mike
Love this layout. What kind of slide mechanism does it have?
Looks like rack and pinion.
Finding Your Someday, a Grand Design ambassador, did this dinette / sofa swap in their 5 yr old Reflection about a year ago & that's where GD got the idea from.
Seems like a nice 5th wheel. 1st step is to high. Would prefer the alum steps that fold underneath. Would be a pain crawling underneath to check spare tire air pressure. Hope they have tire mounted so you don’t have to drop tire to check air pressure . Would be nice if they made walls thicker so elect outlet were on wall. Nice video Josh
Just brought this home last week and I tripped over the first step multiple times now.. I'm sure I will get use to it 😊
Thx Bob. Fair input as usual
I like the floorplan but after watching your Brinkley factory video I'd feel more confident if it was a Brinkley product.
I am making arrangements to visit a GD shop or two for a similar video. Will be curious to see how it compares
I really like the bedroom if you have small dogs or cats. The bed in my travel trailer is so dang high, I have to have a step stool to get in it, plus I have to have doggie steps also which makes it really hard to get in the bed for me and my dogs!! This way, me and my pups can get in bed without any steps! Perfect! Love all the counters too! The bathroom is just about perfect too!
I love the perspective. TY :)
good looking trailer, love the kitchen and road mode. I wonder if we'll see all manufactures go tankless water heaters eventually 🤔
It’s not impossible, but I don’t think we’ll see all of them do it
Why oh why did the designer drop the counter over the drawers by the pantry?