The Black Hole | Welcome To The Basement
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- Space is the place where the black holes live and we’re going to dive right into the heart of one as we watch Disney’s The Black Hole.
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I was 6 years old when The Black Hole dropped in theaters. I remember having action figures of Maximillian, B.O.B., V.I.N.C.E.N.T and the 'stormtrooper' knockoff. I would use them with my Star Wars toys at the time as other droids. 😆
"Down with the Cygnus" is a low key amazing joke.
Intro music... love it. I remember this movie as a kid being played on Disney's late night section
I love this film so much. What other Disney film has zombies, a genuinely gruesome death, and at least an attempt at metaphysics? Besides, it's a visual treat.
Not a great film. Perhaps not even a good film. But a real treasure nonetheless.
Oh, The Black Hole is *definitely* a great film. It may not be for all tastes, but that just makes it even better, for me. A period when Disney, for once, wasn't overly concerned about pleasing all of the audience all of the time.
Man, the jokes on this episode just gets me on another level 🤣.
I never thought this day would come. This is one of my favorite films, it's so epically ambitious and flawed. I'm really happy you guys watched it.
16:51 maybe he makes smoothies
If you get with Sigourney’s friends they let you use her nickname, Sigasig-ah.
Siggy Spice
I remember Disney was really weird about releasing this movie and it was hard to find for years and years. Thanks for the episode!
I had never even heard of it before. They must have just tried to sweep it under the rug.
@@fugithegreat Yeah they kinda buried it, not exactly sure why.
Surprised I never watched this as a kid, my parents are huge Disneyphiles. I guess their sci fi palates are more refined.
This and Dragonslayer are both Disney movies that I love, that I saw in theaters as a kid, and would absolutely do great with a tighter rewrite and an updated movie.
Surprised that we are a similar age, and you NEVER saw "Black Hole" on cable (given all the other movies you saw through that medium then). I saw that MANY times throughout my child hood in the late 80's.
The Marvel comic adapation I had as a kid, the ending showed the crew coming through the black hole and ending up on a paradise like planet, so yeah, they did end up in heaven in (I assume) one version of the script. Whether any of that paradise stuff was filmed, no idea, but they clearly filmed the 'hell' stuff.
The comic series continued for 3-4 issues it was basically lost in space
They did. The old VHS release had the crew emerge into heaven with the pearly gates.
Holy cow guys, this movie has been in my head for years but I couldn’t remember it. The ending was a reoccurring nightmare of mine! Happy Friday basement crew and viewers!
My friend and I are convinced that Borgnine used his own sweater as his costume because it was chilly on set and just had them pin some things on to what he was already wearing. 💚
You can definitely tell that this film was originally supposed to be "The Poseidon Adventure meets 2001: A Space Odyssey" that was later meddled by executives into having more Star Wars elements. This is pretty evident with the robots; concept art of V.I.N.CENT. shows him looking more like a cross between a space probe & a Mars rover.
I loved this movie, primarily for B.O.B. and V.I.N.C.E.N.T.
The music is beautiful. Like everything John Barry composed.
I was around 11 when this came out and I never saw it either. Crazy that I’ve seen Alien and Star Trek The Motion Picture a zillion times but never this. Funny how this movie shared some things in common with Alien with the derelict ship and all. Siggy made the right choice. Nice shoutout to Scranton, gents!
I've loved this movie since I seen it first in the theater as a kid. I'm 49 now and watching this episode just makes me love it even more. It's so great to see two guys reacting to this movie for the first time. It's music to my eyes and ears.🤣👍❤️
Despite flaws, I enjoy the film The Black Hole. I saw it as a very young child. It's so close to being good. Even with only the existing footage, it could be edited and made better. It's such an unusual movie. A bit of a 2001 existential theme. A lot for a child to process. Maximillian! What a design.
Part of the reason Disney made the Black Hole the way they did, is because one of their biggest box office successes was 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea. It was an original property they had previously imagineered, and modeled this movie after it to make their Star Wars movie seem more distinctive and original. The Cygnus is like the Nautilus mashed up with 19th century architecture like the Eiffel Tower. It's then sized up to allow scenes fighting robot Stormtroopers in a large "Death Star" like space. Dr Reinhardt is a darker version of Captain Nemo, who instead of being obsessed with exploring the ocean, is obsessed with exploring the Black Hole. The Robots are of course, cashing in on R2-D2 and Darth Vader. The humans are a little like the mixed bag of characters in 20,000 Leagues who get taken in by Nemo (scientists, a reporter), but with elements of Luke, Han and Leia thrown in. The movie has an Overture and Mind-Bending ending (and PG rating), because they wanted to be taken seriously. Therefore they made it an homage to 2001 A Space Odyssey as well.
So, it's Star Wars meets 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea meets 2001 a Space Odyssey.
The Black Hole is interesting to me as the last gasp of the big budget STUDIO science fiction epic. Where all the special effects were done in-house by Disney employees, not ILM or some other outside company. And it feels like a Disney film, not a big movie that just happened to be released by Disney and which might welll have been made by Paramount or Universal or whomever and would have looked pretty much the same.
Instantly an all time great episode, sooo funny
I saw this in the theater when it first came out and wanted to figure out how to make my own Vincent. I love this movie. I rewatched it last year after 45+ years and I still enjoyed it. Still fantastic. Thanks for reviewing it.
Craig: "I'm not actually an armadillo. I'm an echidna."
Me: "Actually, that's a pangolin."
Awwww, Lorenzo sounds so polite!
Sometimes.
Sometimes.
If Disney had any cojones they would make an animated remake of The Black Hole.
"Sorry, but I'm afraid Ernest Borgnine has already been confirmed."
"Hiya! I'm sure you kids know me best as Sergeant Fatso Judson in "From Here to Eternity"."
In the novelization, they drop into the black hole and just kinda turn into stardust.
Every book adaptation seemed to have a different ending. I grew up with the book and record and even as a child I knew it was a different ending.
@@oaf-77 And the tie-in comic book was still different, titled "Beyond the Black Hole" for the (two) issues that followed the adaptation of the movie. There, the premise is just that they're in another galaxy or something, with plenty of planets to explore.
I found an interview where Sigourney Weaver said that her friends actually do call her "Siggy".
The next time I drive my friends anywhere: "SIT THE HELL TIGHT."
lol
Saw it on the big screen when it first came out. No disagreement on your description of it...but it is a guilty pleasure for me...and the coldness of everybody just increases the foreboding...a constant high level of tension. And yes the fly by, with the sound track are simply amazing...just so many great parts to this!
Saw this in the theater. I remember that it didn't go over well with the audience I saw it with. Probably because the film seems rather half-baked.
Strong visuals, some decent character moments, and the story is solid, if not all that original. But it always struck me as being two rewrites short of being a really good movie. Plus, the sound is rather off. It seems that a lot of the dialog is ADR or simply recorded oddly because it doesn't sound natural to the setting.
But whoever thought that Slim Pickens would make a good robot voice, hats off to you.
I think it's not that far off on the screenplay. As the guys say, it needs relationships between the main characters. It's the direction that drags the movie down the most. There's this huge dissonance. Murder-bot-Maximillion and murder-man-Maximillion merging in hell is on one side (maybe the inspiration for Event Horizon, a black hole named movie about a portal to hell). On the other side you have wacky walking killbots, cartoon eyed robots, and 1950's sci-fi hero performances (from talented actors). I think it would have been really close with a different director, but I'm sure they would have had to rewrite.
Kosinski's mid 2010's remake was likely going to fix it, but Disney lost interest. Given that he should have all the pull possible in the Hollywood right now, he might be able to revive it.
@@kyleolson8977 The audience reaction at the time when I saw it was not good. People didn't exactly boo, but the film was such a disappointment.
It was 1979 and with Star Wars and the first Star Trek films out, "The Black Hole" felt more like a fancied-up "Battle Beyond the Stars" or some of the other dreck that was flooding the theaters at the time.
In other words, we all were looking for something going forward and this film was clearly out of the 1950s which we didn't want.
Perhaps the reaction would be different now, but it definitely needs a few rewrites with an actual ending rather than the film just stopping.
Literally just got home from the movie theatre. Now THAT’S timing!
Hey Matt and Craig,
In light of the Cannon movies you have featured on the show, Seen It?: the documentary ‘Electric Boogaloo: The Wild Untold Story of Cannon Films’. I saw that documentary as well as Menahem Golan’s own documentary, ‘The Go-Go Boys: The Inside Story of Cannon Films’. I find the former to be more entertaining and informative, just like ‘Welcome to The Basement’!
This needs to be rebooted with Chris Pine as Reinhardt.
I wish Disney would revisit this, but I think all their scifi efforts are in Star Wars. Id also like to see a reboot of 'Cat from Outer space'
I read that Disney is working on a reboot, not sure if it has the green light or is in production hell.
this is a movie i've only read about but have been dying to see. i forgot it was by disney so that's probably why i didn't remember it haha. this movie gives off the exact vibe that reading about it does
GalaxyQuest was definitely a great movie.
I saw this when it was released. The theater was pretty full and as we were leaving, I heard the greatest comment ever about this film from one of the guests... "I thought Million Dollar Duck was better." lol
Maximillian... hell of a cocktail mixer.
I'm four for four when it comes to liking Slim Pickens movies, both his performances specifically and the movies as a whole
Joseph Kosinski was developing a remake in the mid 2010's. It's a movie that could really use a remake. It's has a better concept than the result (ignoring the nonsense science). The special effects are great, but this contrasts heavily with the 1970's disney family film direction and forgettable heroes.
"A machine that's not quite attached together". Yep.
Disney kept delaying the project and eventually Kosinski went on to make a sequel to some random 1986 Tom Cruise movie. It was released this summer, but I'm not sure if anyone watched it.
Galaxy Quest! Probably the best Star Trek movie! The Johnson ragazzi may need also to watch some Star Trek as well as go to a convention before they get it.
So apparently, this movie originally started out as a sci-fi disaster movie about a space hotel that’s falling into a black hole. The shift away from the disaster genre happened after Close Encounters of the Third Kind, meaning that the entire movie had to be completed in less than a year. The script was not finished, and the original ending had them witness Heaven, the dawn of time, and the eventual death of the universe, before depositing them back into the Solar System. This was never filmed. The ending we got was cobbled together in the editing room, using shots from a scrapped dream sequence earlier in the film (McCrae would have the dream, and her ESP would cause the rest of the crew to also experience it).
Thanks!
Another great scifi movie of the era is 'Outland' 1981
I was waiting for you guys to watch this. I remember have fond memories of this film when I was a kid, but was not sure how well it would be watching it with adult eyes.
I watched this film late at night a week or two ago with my assistant director after an all day film shoot. It was a totally baffling experience. We started the film bored as hell and were actively yelling at the screen in shock by the end.
Saw this in theaters when I was ten and had a great time. Maximilian freaked me out and the scene with Tony Perkins was kind of scary. I know it gets a bit repetitive but I love John Barry’s score.
My take on why he had a spinning blade murder robot was that he built Maximillian to subdue the crew, and then kept him around because he was insane.
i really like this film and think it could be ripe for a modern remake, by the right people. as i understand it the continuing story after the ending was portrayed in a comic book series.
I am first time pregnant and love whenever Craig shares his fatherhood stories.
This is one of those movies that I know isn't good...but I love it. It's probably just nostalgia. I saw this when I was very young and it left an impression on me. I love VINCENT. I love Maximillian. Also, I do think the end is them arriving in Heaven. After all, why would they show Hell if not to show Heaven?
OMG. Matt. Nobody I've ever known EXCEPT FOR ME didn't like T2. My brother!
This is the film that got me interested in space as a kid.
Craig deserves a spot on the wall at Sal's Pizza!
Loved this movie as a kid, but damn it looked like it was right out of the early 60's for something that came out in '79.
Disney wanted the soundtrack album to have swirly oil inside it, so when the record was played the oil would look like a black hole. This failed but 7 test records were made.
I inherited the soundtrack LP (John Barry) and really enjoyed it, so bought the DVD of this and also quite enjoyed it until they all trip at the end. Felt a bit like the budget ran out and they just quickly ended it. Was waiting to see how you’d react to this 😅
Relating to the opening talk - one morning when my daughter was about 4, she and her mother had been up a while and I was just coming out of bed, she looks at me says with perfect pronunciation, not at all childlike: "Good morning father, would you like some coffee?". She had not made coffee.
I had a Black Hole pop-up book as a kid. There was a page where you pulled a tab to make the computer panel fall on the villain.
That last bit of music reminded me of Oh Canada. You go to hell in a Disneyland ride, Mr. Toad.
"That's not an ending!"
It's *absolutely* an ending - The Black Hole is a truly glorious film, a moment of madness from Disney. That ending is up there with the greatest of all time - that sudden switch from dark sci-fi to out-and-out metaphysical religious, psychedelic mindfuck is stunning! Heaven and hell in a Disney space film! And it kickstarted Disney's greatest period, the Dark Phase of the 80s: The Watcher in the Woods, Something Wicked This Way Comes, Dragonslayer, The Black Cauldron, Return to Oz... Disney was never greater, before or since, and it's a pity they didn't pursue it.
It's one of the best sequences ever committed to film
@@oaf-77 Totally agree. I saw it at the cinema at the age of 9 and it blew my young mind.
I thought the first three quarters were turgid but then it got interesting at the end.
I feel bad for my parents. What could possibly go wrong with a Disney space movie? This film scared the crap out of Little Me! Brainwashing, murder, and a trip to Hell?!? It was a lot for an 8 year old to take in!!!
Fun fact: The font used in Airwolf is called the Borg 9.
I find the production design of this movie fascinating. It feels like the exact midpoint between the more whimsical sci-fi of the '50s-60s, and the grittier sci-fi of something like Alien or Firefly
One of my favorite sci fi films! Fantastic effects, loved the whole meteor storm sequence and the shoot out with the robot guards.
Wow, the scene when Durant removed the mask of the brainwashed crewmember scared the hell out of me when I watched this in the theater.
I remember there was a Black Hole promo exhibition in Kansas City (Crown Center?) in 1979, with a replica Vincent robot.
It's a robot's party, who could ask for more
Everybody's coming, leave your chassis at the door
Belts that allow them to float around, so they never have to walk again - Have you seen WALL-E? Bad idea!
In the Novel, it says that Dan and Kate a couple. The Novel gives more chilling detail about the Cygnus Crew. It explains that if they try to reverse damage to the crew, they would end up with mind of infants. Also it says that once in while some crew members temporary regain there minds, but there so horrified what be become, they kill themselves.
It also takes place during Christmas
Saw this at the cinema when it came out. I was obsessed with it. I was very very young. My mum hated it :) Its got a great moody score by John Barry, except for what sounds like a tacked on 'heroic' theme, which is awful :)
I think this movie takes my personal award for the greatest gap between how interesting the premise is, and how boring the execution is.
I now need to rewatch Tony Shaloub in (my memory just crapped out on me): Galaxyquest!
I think last time I watched it I thought he was like, "too young" when he was on the show, and so was messed up in some way. Like a Wesley Crusher, if Wil Wheaton had turned out to be Tony Shaloub.
It seemed to explain his constant snacking.
I absolutely agree with Matt about young John Connor in T2...he was just so grating every time he got the spotlight. Thankfully, every other scene is masterfully done.
Funny...I've never heard of this film and for all intents and purposes, it's been forgotten by the masses and lost to time. Yet, it inadvertently gave us to far more memorable and well-known properties. 1.) Their refusal to hire Sigourney because of her name (a stupider reason to deny someone a chance to act I've never heard) allowed us to have one part of the duo of the most famous action heroines of the 80's (between Alien's Ripley and Terminator's Sara Conner). And 2.) I get the feeling that Philip Eisner had this movie in his mind when he wrote Event Horizon because there are some STRONG parallels here...minus all of the robots and ESP.
There's a burlesque performer in my city named Sigourney Beaver
i like Vincent the robot, they made fun of him on TV show "Sealab 2021"
Perhaps a benign comment, but.. You guys are funny. :)
They need to bring Overtures in movies back.
8:42 Scranton?! :D
Remember that period when DVD menus had easter eggs? I don't remember if that was a fad that went away naturally or if it was killed off when Blurays with their large storage capacities became prevalent.
Speaking of the name Maximilien, have either of you (Matt and Craig) seen the joint Polish-French production 'Danton' (1983)?
Great video.
Bob looks vaguely like Bob the tomato from VeggieTales
Well, this was just the overture, to see the ending you need to watch the rest of the trilog….ooooh, I see.
I saw this as a child but the only thing i remembered about it was the robots.
I couldn't have told you a single actor who was in it.
I used to have the comic version of this film. It was very disturbing.
In the novelization, they didn't survive the black hole and their atoms were scattered throughout the galaxy.
They did survive, however, it says:
"Their thoughts spanned infinity, as did their finely spread substance, and they now had an eternity in which to contemplate the universe they had become…"
The Maxamillion robot was pretty much like his attack dog robot and would've been a way to *pressure* his victims into surrendering to "the treatment". In the beginning when the crew is wandering around peeking into the different rooms you see the numerous astronaut suits in the closets left from the "human slaves" before he converted them to only obey him.
I always assumed that he created Maximilian to help him take over/control of the crew before he turned them.
I just watched this a few days ago. Weird.
I never knew that John Barry wrote the score for this film, but it's pretty obvious right from the jump. haha
Matt, *when* you rewatch T2, try the extended version. It's definitely better than the theatrical. Matching Craig's incredulity a bit, here! 😎👍
Seen it: British horror movie The Appointment? It starts really intense and is kind of a slow burn but It has one of the most ridiculous car crashes in it.
STOP!
WHOSE TURN IS IT NEXT? ANSWER MEHHH!
YOU ARE BANISHED TO THE BLACK HOLE!
sorry that's all I could think about this episode
As a kid I had the official novelisation of the film and if I remember correctly the ending of that was even weirder than the version they filmed. Hoping somebody can back me up on this as my memory is a little hazy, but I think once they passed through the black hole rather than just flying out the other side in a new part of the galaxy they were turned into a solar system , like each crew member becoming a planet or a sun something.......I know how it sounds, I know! :)
Haven't seen this since I was a kid. And I don't remember a lot of it or maybe I misremember a lot of it. Bonus it's on the mouse +! So I'll indulge in it! I just did Tron and still found it enjoyable. We'll see about TBH.
What about Condorman?
I DID see this on the Bog Screen. Time for a sequel?
I wonder if the robot in this was the inspiration for the cleaning robot on Sealab 2021. It looks nearly identical
I really want a floating belt now.