/ stonedgremlinproductions www.thecinemasnob.com Brad Twitter: @thecinemasnob Dave Twitter: @MaxFnForce Brad and Dave see the sequel to Independence Day.
It's been 20 years and that dog was a few years old to begin with. That fucking dog is dead, and making Nostalgia Critic references that are nearly decade old in their own right at this point is just kind of sad.
I have a cousin who does VFX for movies. He was one of the hundreds of people to work on this movie, and he also worked on Chappie. I once joked with him at Thanksgiving dinner: "It's a shame Chappie got such bad reviews -- not your fault, of course." He has not murdered me yet.
It's hilarious that the melodrama won. I didn't vote in the poll, but as soon as you gave the three choices I was like, "Oh man, I hope it's the one that clearly has no connection whatsoever to any of the other ones".
I'm glad Mae Whitman didn't end up in the movie anyway, I'm happy to remember her as the voice of Katara and April O'neil in two way more successful series.
kingofsapi Also liked her in Scott Pilgrim vs the World. She also sometimes plays Yuffie from Final Fantasy 7 related media, alternating with Christie Romano.
I'm still pissed that they didn't get Mae Whitman to play the presidents daughter in it again, she's the little girl in the original and she's a better actress now then the blow up doll that they got to play her,
The film did NOT play up him being gay and his gay relationship itself as comic relief. It didn't at any point go, "Haha, he's gay!" as a punchline to anything. The relationship he and his partner had in the film possessed humor at times because they were bantering as couples will do. I don't know how he got the impression they were mocking the fact he's in a gay relationship from the film. Also I actually liked that the film just matter of factly approached him being in a gay relationship.
Bloodied Fox Part of me would love if in the next film his boyfriend is back as a machine entity like the alien. I'm actually kind of surprised they didn't have a stinger of something like that.
I thought it was ok. Like Brad said, it's not trying to win any awards, it just wants to be fun. And yeah, it was pretty fun. Of course it has faults, but hey, had a pretty fun time.
The Brent Spiner character in the 1st movie straight up Died, his dead. He got strangled and maybe even his neck broken and they even made the effort to have a dude check his pulse and Move On. I haven't seen the new movie, did he get Resurgenced? Did they bring him back from the dead?
He never died. In fact it's really not confirmed that he died in the first movie. I heard they even had a scene where they go "he's dead" then they cut it out so they could leave it open. The fact is the audience simply assumed he died.
I'm going to do some quick math. So, there's anywhere from 3 to 6 miles of oceanic crust to drill through. This means on average the ship would have to tunnel through 4.5 miles of crust. Which is 23,760 feet. Doing some rough calculations this means that the drill was vaporizing 6.6 feet per second of the soil, and rock, in the way. So, whatever time was left plus 6.6 feet. Even if there was a breach of the crust there. The mantle wouldn't all squeeze out/cause an atmospheric destroying event. It would likely result in a large new island if anything. Especially with the ocean water cooling the magma as it erupted out. Additionally, an object that massive would have to have some way to negate its mass to accelerate and decelerate as fast as it does. Not to mention that it does travel faster than light. So the idea that it could suspend some of it's mass isn't surprising. Especially if it's trying to actually have fighter craft and other things actually be capable of leaving it's grav well more effectively.
Am I the only one imagining Marvin the Martian (from the Bugs Bunny cartoons) invading in a giant flying saucer and drilling into the Earth's crust with an egg-beater-like device? LOL!
I love Independence Day, but I don't even think it's dumb. I think there's a difference between dumb and silly; ID4 is silly, but it's not stupid. As Brad and Dave observed, it has engaging characters, strong performances and moving pathos.
17:51 - Amen to that, dear sir! And quite frankly, I honestly think that there should be more top 10 lists out there, covering this topic! So many names come to mind....
Me and my sister just couldn't suspend our disbelief after seeming Brent Spiner. We're just like, "but he died?" "Coma? I'm pretty sure he died?" "Didn't he get puppeteered by an alien?"
One thing I was surprised about was when the ship starting plowing through DC, but it STOPS right at the door to the White House and the ONLY damage is the flag pole falls over. I was seriously expecting it to go out like it did in 2012.
Impressions I got from this movie: 1. Why are these guys just called "aliens"? You'd think after 20 years (and apparently having prisoners and specimens to study) they'd give them a proper species name. 2. I didn't even realize that other doctor was Okun's partner until right around the time he died. I thought they were just buddies (similar to Liam's character and his buddy). 3. I'm glad they didn't go out of their way to repeat scenes from the first film. I was waiting for one of them to go "Welcome to Earth." In fact I liked how Liam's character tried to punch an alien and failed miserably. Though Boomer 2 did live. 4. All in all, this would have made a much better video game. Heck it was written like a video game (covert missions, battles, and even the end was a big boss battle). This could have easily been done as one of those video games where the sprites are directly based on the actors and the voices, much like Ghostbusters 3 (the game for those who do not know). Then I could see them expanding this to sequel games.
Independence Day is one of those movies where you get a bunch of friends, have some drinks, and just make fun of bad movies all night. ID is PERFECT for that. And the design for the aliens and the alien fighters was freaking awesome back then, and still awesome now.
I went and saw the Independence Day double feature, and I was really struck by how much less well-written and uninspired Resurgence was compared to the first film.
I saw the double feature, too. The first film (and trailers leading up to it) was zoomed in too far till I got a manager to fix it, and the second film was shown in 3D but the glasses didn't work; had to request those since none were handed out. Then again there was only one other patron in that theater besides myself. XÞ
Yep, I freaking called it. The effects in Independence Day were practical, relatively simple, and you got what was going on. They hold up, and you can at least understand most of the characters. I predicted the effects in this movie would absolutely suck. Plus...well, a giant spectacle effects movie is a dime a dozen now. You want to see a giant effects movie? There are tons of them.
I haven't seen ID4-R yet, but I plan on seeing it this week. As a person who also loved the original, this review is everything I envisaged the sequel becoming - all nostalgia, no heart or personality as evidenced by the lack of miniatures and practical explosions.
Seeing the world 20 years after the alien attack is the one thing I would be interested in seeing in this movie. The technical advancements and how they rebuilt the cities
I looked 'em up online last night after I got home: the actress who played the daughter quit acting some time ago and the actor playing the younger son also seems to have done quite well for himself as a director.
Brad, I had no idea where to ask you this but have you heard of a movie called Soul Survivors from 2001? I remember you saying in the Winter's Tale Midnight Screenings review how you really want to find a movie that others didn't review and is uniquely bad. Well, you should definitely review Soul Survivors then. Trust me, it's worth it and it wasn't reviewed by any notable reviwer from what I've seen. The movie got awful reviews, is considered to be very confusing, nonsensical etc., just badly made in general. It's an unique experience to say the least. It's worthy of a Snob episode. You did review some newer movies before. But if it's not the type of a movie you would normally review or too "modern" then is there any chance you could make a special Midnight Screenings review about it? I know that sounds like a weird request, but the movie is so bad that it's worth it. It would make for a very entertaining Midnight Screenigns vid and a Snob episode.
Interesting what you say about Bill Pullman. I had forgotten he died until now, and I just saw it two days ago. And it didn't fully occur to me that the President died until you said it. In the movie they say they've lost contact with her and it seems more like they assume she died, which led me to believe she'd turn up alive at the end. But by the end I'd completely forgotten about her.
I made the ill-advised decision to watch Transformers Age of Extinction earlier last week, before watching Independence Day: Resurgence on Friday evening. Watching Transformers, I felt really frustrated with so many aspects of the film, it was entirely unenjoyable. Independence Day 2 had many of the negative elements as Transformers (bad acting, rubbish dialogue, 'hot girl' syndrome, awkwardly incorporated Chinese inserts - whether characters, locations or product placements), but ID2 wasn't as painful an experience. I agree with pretty much all of the points raised in the video - and also laughed out loud when Vivica A Fox's character died... as a side note, wasn't she an exotic dancer in the first film? Did she decide to train to be a doctor after the film ends? It feels like that could have been an interesting part of a story for ID2, and maybe would elaborate a little more on how humanity coped and reflected on issues following the original film's destruction - beyond it just saying 'Oooh, we have new tech and can build fancier weapons, vehicles and expand space travel'.
Bill Pullman in Torchwood Miracle Day as a Serial Killer Paedophile was creepy as fuck and strangely charismatic at the same time. He was excellent in it.
"It has it's own gravity!" No fucking duh. EVERYTHING has it's own gravity. Everything exerts gravity on everything else, it's just that the larger the object the more significant it is. Heck in the first movie, that large ship should have had effects similar to this one by pulling the tides and altering the rotation speed of the earth.
I always end up watching these, and I trust your judgement to save me from the worst of the hype machine. You're about the same age as me, and I figure we have about the same level of cynicism, so you haven't steered me wrong yet, so thanks, Brad. lol o/
literally every object has gravity. even people have some incredibly small gravitational pull, so a spaceship this massive would have it's own gravity.
jdzencelowcz Fox won't get all that money. A lot of it goes to the theater chains, and foreign ticket sales have even lower returns. And that budget doesn't include the marketing, which was pretty extensive. So I think Fox probably barely broke even on this film - and given that the reception to this film was terrible, meaning even less people will come to see a sequel, chances are Fox won't think a sequel is worth the financial investment, unless they can somehow make it much cheaper.
So I shouldn't bother with this movie? Thanks! And a midnight screenings for 'The Neon Demon'? CAN'T. WAIT. I saw the movie last friday (I was alone in the theater, too!) and it was... well, fantastically unhinged.
wow.... at 8:10ish "has it's own gravity that some how shuts off".... Easy answer. Once it landed, it became part of the mass of the planet and no longer needs to pump energy into its internal gravity control systems, it can just use the earth's natural gravity. The gravity drive was also how it was able to land SLOWLY without a high-speed impact, and that drive is also how it managed to hit London with Hong Kong. Their drive was engaged, and it pulled hong kong up, and then landing, dropped it all on London.
What really gets me about the idea of the mothership having its own gravity is that not only could they have explained why this doesn't seem to apply once its landed over the Atlantic Ocean, but it could have also explained why it has its own gravity AT ALL. Gravity, from what I'm aware is generated by MASS, NOT SIZE. For example, a black hole could be relatively tiny with regards to the space it occupies, but its mass (the amount of matter it contains) is super-dense and it has a lot of it. A movie made in the information age should not feature this shoddy a level of basic scientific understanding. That said, this could have worked in the movie's favor to preserve continuity by somehow explaining that the alien's technology was able to produce artificial gravity on a large scale as a sort of weapon. Then they could say this weapon had been turned off once the ship finally landed. As things stand, until someone involved in the film confirms this idea, it's just head-cannon.
well something that massive would effect the mass of the earth, especially things on the surface that are are less dense like water and such, the moon has the same effect on water from further away. it being metal would give it far more mass then many other things below it.
It's a suitably dumb followup to one of the best dumb movies of all time, while also being reasonably intelligent with how they modernized the previous equipment and what have you. Giant Alien chasing a school bus for no reason = fantastic. Most people are too cynical to appreciate stupid entertainment now unless it's fronted by Stallone/Schwarzenegger.
It may also have to do with their increased exposure to the many different variations of stupid entertainment, such that they require a higher standard of stupid to be entertained.
One of the things I really loved and enjoyed about the first Independence Day film was the Jewish people got to be actual Jewish people with faith and not just an "I'm Jewish because I say so!" And we also got all sorts of people of various religions (or not religions) and skin color coming together. This one just seems like so many other films ugh.
I really enjoy the original Independence Day. it was a lot of fun. I mean sure it's incredibly stupid, full of plot contrivances and subplots galore, etc. etc. etc....but it's incredibly entertaining and it's cast had off the charts charisma...Independence Day 2 by comparison is just fucking bad, and it's not even bad in an entertaining way. The central conflict of the movie seems really small scale and despite the literal death clock in the movie there never seems to be any genuine danger. Jeff Goldblum is the only person in the movie that seems to be having any fun at all and his character is given literally nothing to fucking do. in point of fact...pretty much none of the fucking characters in the entire movie have anything of genuine consequence or importance to do. Especially since the problem is ultimately solved by just shooting the monster from Godzilla 2014 a lot.
I told you, Brad, you should've reviewed "The Myth of Safe Sex." Was the 1983 Independence Day a TV movie (think Lifetime Original Movie before Lifetime started making movies).
Meh, I enjoyed it; then again, TMNT Out of the Shadows pretty much set the bar for this summer's blockbusters for me, so I imagine that will make pretty much everything more passable. But what really made it work was how it managed to hit just the right levels of stupid. I was jokingly hoping they would bring the machete wielding African warlord into space with them, AND THEY DID! And then by the time they dropped the Burj Khalifa on downtown London I was in for the ride. And I'm saying this as a hetero male, but I actually really liked the relationship between Brent Spiner and his boyfriend. I found it to be the most believable and sympathetic relationship in the film, and the boyfriend's death was probably the most emotional part, too. Also, after the queen emerged from the wreckage of her ship, was I the only one imagining how awesome it would have been if Gypsy Danger showed up for some reason and beat the shit out of her?
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I couldn't stop looking at that shirt. "The best fudge comes from Uranus"
"We're doing this at a dutch angle."
Come on, Brad. You guys are reviewing Independence Day, not Battlefield Earth.
I watched the first movie when I was eight and the only thing that I care in that time was if the dog was ok
What about boomer?!
+Sinclairen Boomer will live
+Sinclairen Boomer will live
+kevin willems I swear to god I didn't see your 2 comments. the page wasn't refreshed so I didn't see it, we all just commented the same thing
+Hunter Tech (screeches happily)
But, WILL BOOMER LIVE???
A Boomer does live.
It's been 20 years and that dog was a few years old to begin with. That fucking dog is dead, and making Nostalgia Critic references that are nearly decade old in their own right at this point is just kind of sad.
+Tyler Hale yaaaaay
This made me laigh.
I am in love with 90s Bill Pullman. Rrrrrrooooowwww.
I have a cousin who does VFX for movies. He was one of the hundreds of people to work on this movie, and he also worked on Chappie. I once joked with him at Thanksgiving dinner: "It's a shame Chappie got such bad reviews -- not your fault, of course." He has not murdered me yet.
98 Godzilla is still one of my favorite movie of the 90's
It's hilarious that the melodrama won. I didn't vote in the poll, but as soon as you gave the three choices I was like, "Oh man, I hope it's the one that clearly has no connection whatsoever to any of the other ones".
The only reason to watch the first Independence Day is Jeff Goldblum. MAYBE also for the dog.
Will the dog live?
Yes.
+Turd Ferguson Boomer will live
+Mrtfarrugia (screeches happily)
And seeing all the American monuments get blown up by giant alien space ships.
I'm glad Mae Whitman didn't end up in the movie anyway, I'm happy to remember her as the voice of Katara and April O'neil in two way more successful series.
And Roxy Richter!
Her?
It's as plain as the Anne on Nose face.
I remember her as Amber from Parenthood. Great show and great performance.
kingofsapi Also liked her in Scott Pilgrim vs the World.
She also sometimes plays Yuffie from Final Fantasy 7 related media, alternating with Christie Romano.
I'm still pissed that they didn't get Mae Whitman to play the presidents daughter in it again, she's the little girl in the original and she's a better actress now then the blow up doll that they got to play her,
It's sad when Galaxy Quest and Home have a more realistic grasp on physics than this.
You sir have made my day. I also greatly enjoy the acting of Bill Paulman and Mathew Brodrick.
The film did NOT play up him being gay and his gay relationship itself as comic relief. It didn't at any point go, "Haha, he's gay!" as a punchline to anything. The relationship he and his partner had in the film possessed humor at times because they were bantering as couples will do.
I don't know how he got the impression they were mocking the fact he's in a gay relationship from the film. Also I actually liked that the film just matter of factly approached him being in a gay relationship.
Not enough movies, songs or games just make someone gay, but also a normal person. There always "Look at me, I'm so gay! lols!"
my thoughts exactly. why does everyone think good friends are gay for each other these days?
Honestly my only objection was that they're the only couple that don't get a happy ending.
Bloodied Fox Part of me would love if in the next film his boyfriend is back as a machine entity like the alien. I'm actually kind of surprised they didn't have a stinger of something like that.
Ever since "2012" I've stated that Roland Emmerich should wear a big t-shirt and matching hat that reads *"I know NOTHING about science!"*
Day After Tomorrow
Tyler Hale 100% agreed!
He's only made one decent movie. I have no idea how he still makes movies.
I have to admit, I kinda liked 2012
+Sparda which movie did you consider decent?
I thought it was ok. Like Brad said, it's not trying to win any awards, it just wants to be fun. And yeah, it was pretty fun. Of course it has faults, but hey, had a pretty fun time.
You guys are making me feel old, I was 21 almost 22 years old when the first movie came out in '96.
I was 3. Now, who here wasn't even born yet?
My sister was about 18 when she saw the first one in the theater. I was 9yrs old but saw it on VHS lol.
I was 17 and saw Bordello of Blood instead. 😐
Brad Jones and Travis Bickle review Independence Day 2.
The Brent Spiner character in the 1st movie straight up Died, his dead. He got strangled and maybe even his neck broken and they even made the effort to have a dude check his pulse and Move On. I haven't seen the new movie, did he get Resurgenced? Did they bring him back from the dead?
no, the story is, he was in a coma or some shit.
ladydiskette
his neck wasnt broken, and the guy who took his pulse clearly werent no doctor.
Don't need to be a doctor to be able to check for a pulse
Jere Aho
that was the excuse.
He never died. In fact it's really not confirmed that he died in the first movie. I heard they even had a scene where they go "he's dead" then they cut it out so they could leave it open. The fact is the audience simply assumed he died.
I'm going to do some quick math. So, there's anywhere from 3 to 6 miles of oceanic crust to drill through. This means on average the ship would have to tunnel through 4.5 miles of crust. Which is 23,760 feet. Doing some rough calculations this means that the drill was vaporizing 6.6 feet per second of the soil, and rock, in the way. So, whatever time was left plus 6.6 feet. Even if there was a breach of the crust there. The mantle wouldn't all squeeze out/cause an atmospheric destroying event. It would likely result in a large new island if anything. Especially with the ocean water cooling the magma as it erupted out.
Additionally, an object that massive would have to have some way to negate its mass to accelerate and decelerate as fast as it does. Not to mention that it does travel faster than light. So the idea that it could suspend some of it's mass isn't surprising. Especially if it's trying to actually have fighter craft and other things actually be capable of leaving it's grav well more effectively.
Starts off with a dutch angle, still better production then Battlefield Earth.
I'm definitely one of those people who thinks the original is stupid, but still loves watching it. I always liked the alien ship designs as well.
Am I the only one imagining Marvin the Martian (from the Bugs Bunny cartoons) invading in a giant flying saucer and drilling into the Earth's crust with an egg-beater-like device? LOL!
I love Independence Day, but I don't even think it's dumb. I think there's a difference between dumb and silly; ID4 is silly, but it's not stupid. As Brad and Dave observed, it has engaging characters, strong performances and moving pathos.
Technically, it did win an Oscar for visual effects.
17:51 - Amen to that, dear sir! And quite frankly, I honestly think that there should be more top 10 lists out there, covering this topic! So many names come to mind....
Me and my sister just couldn't suspend our disbelief after seeming Brent Spiner. We're just like, "but he died?" "Coma? I'm pretty sure he died?" "Didn't he get puppeteered by an alien?"
One thing I was surprised about was when the ship starting plowing through DC, but it STOPS right at the door to the White House and the ONLY damage is the flag pole falls over. I was seriously expecting it to go out like it did in 2012.
haha Dave's t-shirt.. Uranus fudge factory!! holy shit
Impressions I got from this movie:
1. Why are these guys just called "aliens"? You'd think after 20 years (and apparently having prisoners and specimens to study) they'd give them a proper species name.
2. I didn't even realize that other doctor was Okun's partner until right around the time he died. I thought they were just buddies (similar to Liam's character and his buddy).
3. I'm glad they didn't go out of their way to repeat scenes from the first film. I was waiting for one of them to go "Welcome to Earth." In fact I liked how Liam's character tried to punch an alien and failed miserably. Though Boomer 2 did live.
4. All in all, this would have made a much better video game. Heck it was written like a video game (covert missions, battles, and even the end was a big boss battle). This could have easily been done as one of those video games where the sprites are directly based on the actors and the voices, much like Ghostbusters 3 (the game for those who do not know). Then I could see them expanding this to sequel games.
Independence Day is one of those movies where you get a bunch of friends, have some drinks, and just make fun of bad movies all night. ID is PERFECT for that. And the design for the aliens and the alien fighters was freaking awesome back then, and still awesome now.
"kids movie of the year" honestly that would've been hilarious for the years big kid movie to be the Big Fucking Gun
They had standard handguns and shotguns alongside the futuristic weapons in Aliens too. :)
I went and saw the Independence Day double feature, and I was really struck by how much less well-written and uninspired Resurgence was compared to the first film.
I saw the double feature, too. The first film (and trailers leading up to it) was zoomed in too far till I got a manager to fix it, and the second film was shown in 3D but the glasses didn't work; had to request those since none were handed out.
Then again there was only one other patron in that theater besides myself. XÞ
You see, the reason they didn't have more advanced handguns is because the XCOM Commander didn't sink enough money into pistol upgrades.
Yep, I freaking called it. The effects in Independence Day were practical, relatively simple, and you got what was going on. They hold up, and you can at least understand most of the characters. I predicted the effects in this movie would absolutely suck.
Plus...well, a giant spectacle effects movie is a dime a dozen now. You want to see a giant effects movie? There are tons of them.
Vivica Fox plus Judd Hirsch. We are one "Trident Guy" Ryan Mitchelle from a Sharknado 2 reunion.
that scene with the ship attaching itself to Earth reminded me of Dragon Ball Z The Return of Cooler
The Neon Demon and The Shallows are both excellent. I hope you enjoy them.
I haven't seen ID4-R yet, but I plan on seeing it this week. As a person who also loved the original, this review is everything I envisaged the sequel becoming - all nostalgia, no heart or personality as evidenced by the lack of miniatures and practical explosions.
A psychic could make a million predicting what Dave will say.
I liked the first one it was actually on an hour ago it still holds up as a movie. I didnt think a sequel was necessary
This film broke my "Ignore physics in movies" law
30:40 - What kind of stories are there about Dean Devlin? I am very curious about that!
Seeing the world 20 years after the alien attack is the one thing I would be interested in seeing in this movie. The technical advancements and how they rebuilt the cities
You guys are very funny!
Everytime I see Bill Pullman I wanna scream LOOOONE STAAARRR!
I like that Zilla bit of Final Wars as well.
Randy Quaid's other son from the first movie played "Party Cop" in the first 2 Cabin Fever movies.
I looked 'em up online last night after I got home: the actress who played the daughter quit acting some time ago and the actor playing the younger son also seems to have done quite well for himself as a director.
And Lex in Detroit Rock City.
Brad, I had no idea where to ask you this but have you heard of a movie called Soul Survivors from 2001? I remember you saying in the Winter's Tale Midnight Screenings review how you really want to find a movie that others didn't review and is uniquely bad. Well, you should definitely review Soul Survivors then. Trust me, it's worth it and it wasn't reviewed by any notable reviwer from what I've seen.
The movie got awful reviews, is considered to be very confusing, nonsensical etc., just badly made in general. It's an unique experience to say the least.
It's worthy of a Snob episode. You did review some newer movies before. But if it's not the type of a movie you would normally review or too "modern" then is there any chance you could make a special Midnight Screenings review about it? I know that sounds like a weird request, but the movie is so bad that it's worth it. It would make for a very entertaining Midnight Screenigns vid and a Snob episode.
Interesting what you say about Bill Pullman. I had forgotten he died until now, and I just saw it two days ago. And it didn't fully occur to me that the President died until you said it. In the movie they say they've lost contact with her and it seems more like they assume she died, which led me to believe she'd turn up alive at the end. But by the end I'd completely forgotten about her.
Independence Day: Resurgence will be Streaming on Netflix by this time next year.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who liked the first Independence Day despite it being silly.
I know that Independence Day is stupid and silly, but I still love it.
I made the ill-advised decision to watch Transformers Age of Extinction earlier last week, before watching Independence Day: Resurgence on Friday evening. Watching Transformers, I felt really frustrated with so many aspects of the film, it was entirely unenjoyable. Independence Day 2 had many of the negative elements as Transformers (bad acting, rubbish dialogue, 'hot girl' syndrome, awkwardly incorporated Chinese inserts - whether characters, locations or product placements), but ID2 wasn't as painful an experience. I agree with pretty much all of the points raised in the video - and also laughed out loud when Vivica A Fox's character died... as a side note, wasn't she an exotic dancer in the first film? Did she decide to train to be a doctor after the film ends? It feels like that could have been an interesting part of a story for ID2, and maybe would elaborate a little more on how humanity coped and reflected on issues following the original film's destruction - beyond it just saying 'Oooh, we have new tech and can build fancier weapons, vehicles and expand space travel'.
I loved the original ID4. I was a kid when it came out and thought it was awesome. This was the first time in a long time I've left a theatre angry.
You guys could easily lobby to do a comedic film commentary on the upcoming blu ray!LOL LOL
Bill Pullman in Torchwood Miracle Day as a Serial Killer Paedophile was creepy as fuck and strangely charismatic at the same time. He was excellent in it.
hahah me and my friend were laughing too
"It has it's own gravity!"
No fucking duh. EVERYTHING has it's own gravity. Everything exerts gravity on everything else, it's just that the larger the object the more significant it is. Heck in the first movie, that large ship should have had effects similar to this one by pulling the tides and altering the rotation speed of the earth.
Honestly, i'd only go see this to see Jeff Goldblum on the big screen. He's amazing.
"So what'd you think of the first one."
What I want know is "Does Boomer return?"
Boomer will live...in a better movie.
I guess with all of our alien technological advances, the best phone to ever be made remains the iPhone 6?
I always end up watching these, and I trust your judgement to save me from the worst of the hype machine. You're about the same age as me, and I figure we have about the same level of cynicism, so you haven't steered me wrong yet, so thanks, Brad. lol o/
literally every object has gravity. even people have some incredibly small gravitational pull, so a spaceship this massive would have it's own gravity.
My family is about to make me see this with them T.T I'm hoping this review will help me laugh my way through it tho ~
Goldblum and the queen were the only thing's i might remember few months from now... Barelly.
I just checked, odds are, we're getting that 3rd film.
Budget $165 million. Box office $389.7 million
jdzencelowcz Fox won't get all that money. A lot of it goes to the theater chains, and foreign ticket sales have even lower returns. And that budget doesn't include the marketing, which was pretty extensive. So I think Fox probably barely broke even on this film - and given that the reception to this film was terrible, meaning even less people will come to see a sequel, chances are Fox won't think a sequel is worth the financial investment, unless they can somehow make it much cheaper.
So I shouldn't bother with this movie? Thanks! And a midnight screenings for 'The Neon Demon'? CAN'T. WAIT. I saw the movie last friday (I was alone in the theater, too!) and it was... well, fantastically unhinged.
Hei, Brad. I can't watch the "Paranoia Writer's cut" on your site. Is it a problem on my computer or the site?
wow.... at 8:10ish "has it's own gravity that some how shuts off".... Easy answer. Once it landed, it became part of the mass of the planet and no longer needs to pump energy into its internal gravity control systems, it can just use the earth's natural gravity.
The gravity drive was also how it was able to land SLOWLY without a high-speed impact, and that drive is also how it managed to hit London with Hong Kong. Their drive was engaged, and it pulled hong kong up, and then landing, dropped it all on London.
I'm glad the romantic melodrama won, I feel like some good jokes are coming.
Independence Day 2 turned out to be shit. SHOCK AND CONSTERNATION!
What really gets me about the idea of the mothership having its own gravity is that not only could they have explained why this doesn't seem to apply once its landed over the Atlantic Ocean, but it could have also explained why it has its own gravity AT ALL. Gravity, from what I'm aware is generated by MASS, NOT SIZE. For example, a black hole could be relatively tiny with regards to the space it occupies, but its mass (the amount of matter it contains) is super-dense and it has a lot of it. A movie made in the information age should not feature this shoddy a level of basic scientific understanding. That said, this could have worked in the movie's favor to preserve continuity by somehow explaining that the alien's technology was able to produce artificial gravity on a large scale as a sort of weapon. Then they could say this weapon had been turned off once the ship finally landed. As things stand, until someone involved in the film confirms this idea, it's just head-cannon.
well something that massive would effect the mass of the earth, especially things on the surface that are are less dense like water and such, the moon has the same effect on water from further away. it being metal would give it far more mass then many other things below it.
Brad do you drink coffee? Brad what did you have for breakfast?
... Quote "Well, I like it!'
This movie would have been the greatest goddamm thing ever if it actually had the Unicorn Gundam in there.
TVs and computers are the same as we have because technical advancements from alien technology isn't as powerful as product placement cash.
Actually won one Oscar
20:17 Apparently, in a Empire interview, Emmerich said a third film would depend on this film's box office.
Fuck...
S. Bakyhnh It already has garnered 40 mil at the box office, but it will be interesting to see if the drop Brian predicted occurs.
Are you guys gonna review The Shallows and The Neon Demon?
...Watch the whole video. Edit: Fine, 38:29
They review everything don't they?
They meaning the whole Team Snob.
"for your health!"
There is a Neon Demon review. I don't know if they will do Shallows
"and than at some point, the BFG"
Can't say I'm waiting, but am kinda curious if he actually still will come.
I liked the first movie when I saw it as a kid, and this one I'll watch cause I get to see my country get wrecked on the silver screen.
I was wondering if you guys have a drive in near there, it would be easier to do reviews, since you would be in the car already, lol
I liked the movie. I really dont know why, I just found it entertaining.
Well they're objectively judging it
It's a suitably dumb followup to one of the best dumb movies of all time, while also being reasonably intelligent with how they modernized the previous equipment and what have you. Giant Alien chasing a school bus for no reason = fantastic. Most people are too cynical to appreciate stupid entertainment now unless it's fronted by Stallone/Schwarzenegger.
It may also have to do with their increased exposure to the many different variations of stupid entertainment, such that they require a higher standard of stupid to be entertained.
One of the things I really loved and enjoyed about the first Independence Day film was the Jewish people got to be actual Jewish people with faith and not just an "I'm Jewish because I say so!" And we also got all sorts of people of various religions (or not religions) and skin color coming together.
This one just seems like so many other films ugh.
You guys do know that name memorial pillar is suppose to be the new Washington Monument?
Why is Bill Pullman's fate a spoiler? The trailer pretty much spelled it out.
The review of this movie reminds me of what I thought of Alice in Wonderland 2
Hmm, I wonder what that guys' nephew thought of the Newest US Godzilla film...probably that it was well made, but needed way more of big-G.
Question for Brad: Was Vivica A. Fox's death in this better or worse than her death in Sharknado 2?
You know what really sucks about Bill Pullman's death in this movie is that his self-sacrifice does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
39:00 "The BFG will probably be the big kid's movie of the year" nope
I really enjoy the original Independence Day. it was a lot of fun. I mean sure it's incredibly stupid, full of plot contrivances and subplots galore, etc. etc. etc....but it's incredibly entertaining and it's cast had off the charts charisma...Independence Day 2 by comparison is just fucking bad, and it's not even bad in an entertaining way. The central conflict of the movie seems really small scale and despite the literal death clock in the movie there never seems to be any genuine danger. Jeff Goldblum is the only person in the movie that seems to be having any fun at all and his character is given literally nothing to fucking do.
in point of fact...pretty much none of the fucking characters in the entire movie have anything of genuine consequence or importance to do. Especially since the problem is ultimately solved by just shooting the monster from Godzilla 2014 a lot.
Whats the white thing in the back? I need to know!
I told you, Brad, you should've reviewed "The Myth of Safe Sex." Was the 1983 Independence Day a TV movie (think Lifetime Original Movie before Lifetime started making movies).
Meh, I enjoyed it; then again, TMNT Out of the Shadows pretty much set the bar for this summer's blockbusters for me, so I imagine that will make pretty much everything more passable. But what really made it work was how it managed to hit just the right levels of stupid. I was jokingly hoping they would bring the machete wielding African warlord into space with them, AND THEY DID! And then by the time they dropped the Burj Khalifa on downtown London I was in for the ride.
And I'm saying this as a hetero male, but I actually really liked the relationship between Brent Spiner and his boyfriend. I found it to be the most believable and sympathetic relationship in the film, and the boyfriend's death was probably the most emotional part, too.
Also, after the queen emerged from the wreckage of her ship, was I the only one imagining how awesome it would have been if Gypsy Danger showed up for some reason and beat the shit out of her?
Yay :)
I got DP'd by BAD: Ghostbusters preview before the movie and the movie itself.