A Cat Catastrophe! Plus an interview with the Thick as Thieves Devs - Dropped Frames Episode 413

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  • @thesteammachinepodcast
    @thesteammachinepodcast วันที่ผ่านมา +58

    SO glad I found this show recently. Been loving it

    • @itmeJP
      @itmeJP  วันที่ผ่านมา +21

      Welcome! Glad you're enjoying it.

    • @Wirenfeldt1990
      @Wirenfeldt1990 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      you have the mother of all backlogs to go through.. I kinda envy you.. Maybe i should dial back the clock..

    • @Machobunni
      @Machobunni วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      definitely check out the rami episodes, that man is a gaming industry guru with all his experience in the industry

    • @trelliema
      @trelliema วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @@Machobunni I swear the very best episodes are the Rami + Jesse Cox episodes

    • @onlyhunnertv
      @onlyhunnertv 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +3

      ​@Wirenfeldt1990 fall asleep to them haha thats what I do

  • @Juhz0r
    @Juhz0r 12 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +9

    I love the variety of games Zeke plays. Always something new to hear about. I mostly play indies these days, so he's become a great resource to discover new oddities.

  • @LinkinParkConnoisseur
    @LinkinParkConnoisseur วันที่ผ่านมา +26

    I missed the show live so glad JP got it on yt so fast

  • @nr1771
    @nr1771 วันที่ผ่านมา +28

    Warren Spector is an absolute legend in games. It's so cool that you got to interview him. And I'm definitely more interested in their new game now than I was after the reveal.

  • @Downloader3008
    @Downloader3008 12 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +4

    this interview made me wishlist the game and looking forward to it.
    i was like cohh, sceptical at first and a bit disappointed that warren spector's next game would be multiplayer where i hoped for a spiritual deus ex successor.
    but this will have lore snippets for every thief, maybe an overarching questline. solo focused and even noobs get to set their own goals.
    got me more excited than the reveal trailer. thanks for the interview (and the podcast like every week)

  • @Machobunni
    @Machobunni 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +8

    One thing I hate is that, so many things can one shot you that even if you're doing perfectly fine, dealing damage, full health/shield/etc, you have to dodge just cuz there likely is something near or about to hit you. Any signs of said thing? Not that I can see easily, but you HAVE to keep dodging in late maps just cuz. Not as a means of responding to something happening, but just to avoid something you cant fully see. It's dumb. Dodge is meant to exist to avoid something you know is coming. Not to just fucking roll around praying you avoid something you can't see or dont know is there

    • @James-u1y
      @James-u1y 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

      Yeah the one shot thing they are trying to work on, they mentioned it being harder to test for in-house and that the best solution for them is to wait for players to get data for them in EA to fix the right things that people might run into more often, then as things are culled they can get the more specific scenarios, but yeah it fuckin sucks man lost my HC run to it. Didn't even notice the attack until the last second because I was using a skill on an edge.

    • @Machobunni
      @Machobunni 13 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​​@@James-u1ydon't suppose it was an after death time bomb sort of thing that was blocked by the loot text? That's what happened to me XD micro-transaction animation for rare mob death and text blocked it all visually

    • @nr1771
      @nr1771 7 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      The other problem is that PoE2 is obviously balanced around the dodge roll, but the dodge roll only works if the mobs don't have any modifiers. As soon as you run into a mob that attacks 20% faster than normal, or hits in a 20% bigger AoE, suddenly the dodge roll doesn't work to get you out of their attacks anymore. I feel like the dodge roll is balanced pretty well for bosses, but it totally breaks when you start running into regular/rare enemies with modifiers. This is something they really need to look at.

  • @vaderoflocksley7238
    @vaderoflocksley7238 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    I did my first trial as Warrior the other day and it was awesome. One of the harder things I've done in a while, really made me focus. I beat it with 38 honor and I stood to cheer when I did because it had my heart racing. Got through the second trial last night, love how warrior is paced. Slow, methodical, taking turns with the game by using the active block. I raise my shield for just a moment and heal to full off blocking and ignite/stun them with a parry. Rush in with shield bash, stun them on impact and explode everyone's armor, Warcry, then one/two tap them with a heavy hitting skill to cause chain explosions. Rush to the next group.
    I have beaten all major bosses across the acts within the first three tries, I think Warrior is just different from what people want, idk. It feels exactly like I had hoped, doesn't feel weak par a few bosses but those bosses are complained about by more than just Warrior. But hey, if anything, people will get it buffed and I'll have even more fun doing what I'm doing, which already works wonders. I'm excited for Templar (prefer holy summons over undead) and Druid (very curious what forms it has).
    Game is incredible, highly recommend anyone to try it out, well worth the entry price.

  • @SturmSwiftaxe
    @SturmSwiftaxe 16 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    Love that JP is still making funny faces during that one dropped frame in the intro 😄

  • @James-u1y
    @James-u1y 12 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +3

    Hey JP that Jonathan interview would be awesome as fuck, just wanted to give my 2¢.

  • @JHack377
    @JHack377 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    The main thing that worries me about multiplayer games where story progression is through using a character that only one person can use at a time is how awful lobbies will be with quitters the second they don't get the one character whose stories they haven't completed yet.

    • @James-u1y
      @James-u1y 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      That's a good point, I wonder if we can all use the same character if we can are there options for customization, and along that if we have similar story arcs from using the same character do we end up following each other along or is there a form of randomization the routes or the goal while keeping the main portion of the story reading out the same so you all get a good experience from that story while having options.

  • @toddbailey8474
    @toddbailey8474 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    I love his comment about Epic Mickey. Lol

  • @gkjzhgffjh
    @gkjzhgffjh 12 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    What a great interview, I loved the questions and Warren and Greg were great about answering.

  • @cohomologygroup
    @cohomologygroup 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    It sounds like they're reinventing the Extraction Shooter genre.

  • @MuuMiFin
    @MuuMiFin 13 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    If Zeke see this: check vendors often! They sell very good gear upgrades.

  • @SabreRunner
    @SabreRunner 17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    When I played Grim Dawn I was annoyed to see that M&K controls don't have keyboard movement but controller does. So I held my Steam Controller in one hand and my mouse in the other and played like that. It was a bit freaky but it worked. No other game I found allows me to do this. Which sucks.
    As for JP's issue with switching to M&K with W being ingrained for other things? Here's a hint: Move your left hand one key to the right, where it rests in the typing position, your left pointer on the raised F key. Try that.

    • @Juhz0r
      @Juhz0r 13 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      That's wild. Seems like one of those things that's less than optimal in the moment, but creates a more unique and memorable experience in its own scuffed way.

    • @SabreRunner
      @SabreRunner 12 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      If you wanted independent movement with mouse aiming, that's what you had to do.

  • @NanakiPL
    @NanakiPL 8 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    1:26:29 Technically a single cat owner that adopted the last one from the litter didn't break any family.
    With average 3-4 cats per litter its around 66-75% single cat owners that are hypocrites :P

  • @thegrowingdarkness1377
    @thegrowingdarkness1377 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    1:35:40 when I was in the toy marketing industry, there was a time when every toy store in the city will put up sale in sept-nov in order to clear the shelf for upcoming Frozen 2 release.

  • @nicholasg.5441
    @nicholasg.5441 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

    Im surprised cohh is surprised there are antiwoke mobs in the video game fanbase

    • @James-u1y
      @James-u1y 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

      He's one of the guys who prefers optimism as he's streamed longer he's come to get a grasp on more things but the anti-woke stuff only rose the last couple of years and some people are only seeing the bigger waves recently. It is what it is especially if you're surrounded by people that prefer a positive outlook even when super critical of things it's harder to see the outside stuff. I only found out about all of this earlier this year when the censorship stuff came about on Tifa and then stellar blade.

    • @Juhz0r
      @Juhz0r 13 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

      It does seem unlikely with how loud that crowd has been for the past year. Also, from what I've seen, there's a chunk of his own audience that fits that description, but maybe his rule against politics makes them less obvious.
      The "antiwoke" post-TGA reaction to Ciri and the protagonist of Intergalactic has been widely mocked and parodied to absurdity, so things have kinda boiled over recently. The majority of gamers find those people more and more annoying as time goes on.

  • @moneda
    @moneda 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

    1:02:23 I'm not seeing the issue with this stream together thing. People not collaborating with others have been at a disadvantage for at least 4 or 5 years now. There are many streamers now who owe being able to do that full time to playing Among Us with others, or being on OTK's top streamer competition, or Love or Host, or Fuslie's streamer camp. The meta has simply been hard coded into Twitch now.

  • @olsongc8422
    @olsongc8422 วันที่ผ่านมา

    They should get DougDoug on the stream and have him talk about having games react to when certain words are spoken

  • @leandrobla
    @leandrobla 11 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Amazing interview guys!

  • @masterpug13
    @masterpug13 10 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    I'll just say it. I'd pay $40 for a Thief remaster.

  • @yurt9552
    @yurt9552 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Far more interested in this now that I've heard these guys talk about it. Also, the deliberately placed Trioptimum logo behind Warren probably means nothing but I'm choosing to believe System Shock 3 is not dead and Otherside are involved again. I accept that it's entirely my fault when I'm inevitably disappointed again.

  • @jessdistressed
    @jessdistressed วันที่ผ่านมา

    happy holidays to DF!

  • @synthiandrakon
    @synthiandrakon 17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

    With the amir stuff i think part of what makes it feel weird is that the video they show to introduce him talks about how where he is from there is no game dev jobs, but it doesn't mention that he did in fact go on to work in the games industry. It makes him seem like a lifelong fan who has had no opportunity to work in the industry, taking the initiative to help and thats what i think most people took him to be from the information we were presented.
    The fact he has worked in the games industry for years in the buisness sector is just completley left out

    • @James-u1y
      @James-u1y 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

      Doesn't he talk about how he got into the industry a few years ago though, it wasn't exactly a secret that he's been working in the space, and also with a background in data analysis, I assumed he had a decent position but wasn't sure where.
      I wouldn't exactly include Tencent in my speech nor would I want it in my introduction in a game show since they have teams for mtx and not great money grabbing practices, if the pay is good though I'd take it.

  • @Darkasasin80
    @Darkasasin80 5 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Why does Zeke laugh like Muttley? I like it.

  • @darkguardian50
    @darkguardian50 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    The Catly game is one of the most terrifying things I have ever seen. And that includes most if not all survival horror games.

  • @razor7463
    @razor7463 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Honestly the game sounds great. Can't wait to play multiplayer Thief

  • @gearhead417
    @gearhead417 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +6

    I think its kind of insane that Amir can potentially be vilified because the good thing he did became a little too public and now people with an axe to grind are just going to end up ruining a good thing that has a net positive effect on the industry. This is like if a Barista at starbucjs did a charity thing and got called out because they work for Starbucks. The guy isnt like a major player at his company so why does it matter where he works.

    • @synthiandrakon
      @synthiandrakon 17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +5

      I think part of it is that the video they showed made it seem like he didn't work in the industry. It even talks about how there wasn't any opportunites to work in the game dev industry where he was from. It makes him seem like a complete outsider just trying to help, it omits the fact he has been working in the industry for years. Which feels weird even through its probably nothing.

    • @thedude7319
      @thedude7319 17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      People don't like astroturfed people

    • @gearhead417
      @gearhead417 10 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      @synthiandrakon I didn't get that impression at all. Like how could you do something like this if you weren't part of the industry? An Outsider with zero connections passing out resources to help people find jobs in the industry would be extremely suspicious. Also where he's from and where he lives are too different things. It all just seems like someone with an axe to grind for the TGAs took an easy target and didn't actually care about all the facts. Like why does it matter where he works? He's doing a good thing with no ulterior motives. He's not making money doing this and he wasn't trying to become famous. I guess at the end of the day the only way to do any real good is for no one to talk about your efforts because there is always someone who is going to try to tear down all the good you try to do.

  • @eliptkarnage27
    @eliptkarnage27 17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +3

    Btw the game changer recipient isn’t just a tenCent employee, but an executive. His last statement in his speech about wanting to feel apart of this game making community…. He’s been apart of it for a while, but not accepted / respected because of his position. It’s a joke. Geoff’s only attempt to sorta say something about the layoffs in the industry.. This has completely turned me off to Keighley. He’s a coward.

  • @Razzying
    @Razzying 9 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Even if its early access, GGG could've at least gave a free respec or at least lower the cost to respec.

  • @StefanRindom
    @StefanRindom 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Great episode 🎉

  • @thedude7319
    @thedude7319 17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    01:10:10 astroturfing people haa existed for ever, people need to understand this.
    If someone pulls on your heartstrings that isn't your nana, question it

  • @PokiDraco
    @PokiDraco 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Crazy how both Diablo and Last Epoch have hybrid controls by default but POE still doens't have this.

  • @DreBin1415
    @DreBin1415 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    Honestly, the game industry problem has gotten so bad that if you don't know about the 3 levels of irony that got us here gamers just look like cry babies. I can't only hope that at least one of them is willing to look through the mess to see why posts/edits of characters are being dolled up.
    To answer your question, yes it is satirical. Unfortunately, just like most things there is a small group that is taking it wwaayyyy too serious and that's what'll end up being pushed forward.

  • @Setliin
    @Setliin 6 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    people literally never talk in the EU when playing games, so the whole VOIP never really meant anything to me lmao

  • @TheEregos
    @TheEregos วันที่ผ่านมา

    The ONLY thing i think Twitch need to do is stop letting groups stream in multiple groups. As a watcher its became drastically better to watch people due to it, more people are grouping up and it feels like old Twitch again.

    • @Ghorda9
      @Ghorda9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      it also needs to be a lot more selective with mods and allow them to get fired

  • @losvikings2584
    @losvikings2584 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    46:48
    poor Cohh. that awkward moment

    • @Solmyr14
      @Solmyr14 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

      Karma for hijacking Zeke's final question. 😜

  • @jaydunna2645
    @jaydunna2645 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +3

    Wukong was a solid 8. That's it.
    Art direction - excellent
    Combat - Good
    Rest - average or bad.
    Certainly not GOTY.

    • @kayneg9941
      @kayneg9941 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      Yeah story definitely didn't grab me

    • @jaydunna2645
      @jaydunna2645 19 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @kayneg9941 which is bizzare because they had a whole ass epic to use as source material.

  • @sliceofheaven3026
    @sliceofheaven3026 23 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Not really a fan of the whole multiplayer aspect of the game. Stealth in a multiplayer environment is hard to accomplish unless everyone is really well coordinated.

  • @zephron28
    @zephron28 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    I love how uncomfortable Cohh is at this point @2:33...o aroused lol

  • @gilney.mathias
    @gilney.mathias วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    1:31:28 u guys are really funny... Concord really didn't bring anything new to the table, at least aything good, and just the 'Marvel' name doesn't mean it would be a success, just look at that avengers game and even the guardians of the galaxy game lol

    • @Juhz0r
      @Juhz0r 12 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      It didn't bring anything new to the table, but neither does Marvel Rivals, and that's the point. It's another hero shooter, but it has a very popular IP attached to it, so it gets a lot more attention by default than a brand new IP.

  • @TheEregos
    @TheEregos วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    IF that Elden Ring game is more like Monster Hunter than people realise then it will be such a massive success and maybe get GotY but it could also be so sour so easily.

    • @olsongc8422
      @olsongc8422 วันที่ผ่านมา

      From IGNs 6 hour review it's more like a Battle Royale

    • @Ghorda9
      @Ghorda9 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@olsongc8422 it's not a battle royale, the interview said this, it's a co-op rogue like.

    • @olsongc8422
      @olsongc8422 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@Ghorda9 except its a 3 day cycle where there's a ring that shrinks every day. The Purple fog is a wall that closes and behind it is acid rain that drops, forcing the explorable area to shrink down.
      That's literally a Battle Royale arena.

    • @Ghorda9
      @Ghorda9 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      @@olsongc8422 it's not a battle royale, there is no pvp, Elden Ring having platforming doesn't make it a platformer.

  • @maguszero
    @maguszero วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    On the subject of people unhappy that they can't respec their build after the 'cast on x' nerfs in PoE2: The build was a couple of support gems. Freeze is still strong I would be utterly shocked if more than 20 points needed to be moved to still be extremely powerful, and most likely it's closer to 10. That amount of respec isn't that expensive.

  • @sleapyhead
    @sleapyhead 16 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Being able to "brick" your character in PoE2 makes me not want to play that game...

  • @dlpheonix
    @dlpheonix 22 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    The last twitch update before the latest one made stop watching on twitch altogether.

  • @ausoleil8269
    @ausoleil8269 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Why would I play Astro boy ? It's an exclusive on a console. That's niche and very restricted at best.

  • @DefiedFaith
    @DefiedFaith วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    1:14:50 It’s all about business. There always has to be the next controversy to keep things moving. Even if they have to fabricate that controversy.

  • @AwesomeNuke
    @AwesomeNuke 10 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    I dont think JP played much of POE1 ruthless, if he's comparing POE2 to it lol
    In a full 10-act ruthless campaign, you'd be lucky if you found 1 or 2 rare items per act.. and maybe 5-6 gems (which were random, and you had to work with them..)

  • @DreBin1415
    @DreBin1415 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    The Marvel IP is what got people through the door. That game being good is what's keeping them.
    Star Wars Outlaw and Suicide Squad are proof that an IP alone can't carry a game. So to down play their accomplishment just feels bad man.

  • @dlpheonix
    @dlpheonix 22 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

    Astrobot winning goty is super weird imo. Good game but not for the year.

  • @Nichtwissen
    @Nichtwissen วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    On Reddit they say, the Black Myth thing is a mistranslation.
    Many things are out of context and he actually was just self-reflecting.
    Some things are hard to translate, so it sounds quiet harsh.
    He didn't know how the TGA work, etc... and he thinks confidence is importent for a dev, probably why he wrote that speech that early. bla bla bla...
    I don't speak chinese myself so I don't know better, but it's probably the typical unfounded internet rage. The dev seems cool.

    • @thedudefromthesun
      @thedudefromthesun วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      i read the translations from Chinese speakers and imo its much about nothing. maybe you could say they were too confident or immature at the beginning of their statement. but most of it was just about self reflection and moving forward. translations from Chinese to English is not black and white and not to mention major cultural contexts and emotions. but reddit is reddit...any hint of negativity towards Chinese they will jump all over it . more internet rage and hate...nothing more and nothing less.

    • @liuzhaoqi2003
      @liuzhaoqi2003 23 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +6

      I'm a Chinese native speaker, and there's nothing have been mistranslated.
      Only missing contexts is that the post is clearly a rage bait to stork Chinese player's extreme nationalism to "blame" western for their losses.
      Do you ever wonder why every time some controversy come out about the studio, is always been labeled as mistranslation?

  • @usmanfarooq9301
    @usmanfarooq9301 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I personally think Wukong Deserve GOTY .

  • @Mako2401
    @Mako2401 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Path of Exile 2 will be in early access / beta for a long, long time, up to a year. So not sure how Kripp can give a review of a game that's in EA.

    • @nr1771
      @nr1771 22 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +4

      If a company is charging money for a game, it's fair to critique it in the state it's in.

    • @Mako2401
      @Mako2401 22 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@nr1771 POE2 is at least 6 months away from release. What exactly are you reviewing here? IT's one thing to have criticism and to say this is something they should change, it's another one to give a review as if the game is out.

    • @MuuMiFin
      @MuuMiFin 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      Thats exactly what the EA is for lol.. He gave feeback and how he feels about the game at this moment..

    • @omarmahmoud2111
      @omarmahmoud2111 16 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@Mako2401 He's reviewing the early access version we're all playing. Now that could change in the future and that's why this current review is out. So the players who haven't reached that far into that game, like me, still on early maps, know and talk about it to GGG and hopefully it gets better by the time we reach that point. Kripp isn't a negative nanncy and trying to shit on the game for clicks or something. Just an honest review about late game POE 2 on the version we all have access to right now.

    • @Mako2401
      @Mako2401 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@omarmahmoud2111 If he makes other reviews as the game gets updated, sure. But just to be clear, the game is not out . This is ea.

  • @gilney.mathias
    @gilney.mathias วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    wukong was robbed, for sure.

    • @Einomar
      @Einomar วันที่ผ่านมา +11

      Oh please

    • @bombon9674
      @bombon9674 22 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +6

      the worst game out of all the nominees was robbed? please
      much better games out there that deserves that spot over black MID wukong

    • @MuuMiFin
      @MuuMiFin 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      They should call the police!