Paul Skenes Pulled with a NO-HITTER going! What would you have done?
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As an instagram comment put it: A Paul Skenes no-hitter is cool. Paul Skenes playing for 15 years is cooler.
Nolan Ryan pitched seven no-hitters. And pitched for 20+ years.
@@ron88303 we just don't have a guarantee that Paul can deal with that workload (yet). It's not like he won't throw a no hitter in the future, we all just need some patience
I forsee the Stephen Strasburg effect happen
Nah, they’re putting a muffler on a shooting star. Dude is a generational talent. You’re not protecting his arm from damage, you’re just putting a cap on how great he can be. He could have potentially had two no hitters now as a rookie. I’m not advocating he throws compete games every start, but if a guy has a no hitter with two innings left, you let him ride it out. Would I rather see 10 years of 7 scoreless innings, or 5 years of 5 no hitters? As a fan, I want the latter 100 times out of 100. And as a player, a shorter career by a few years is a small price to do things never seen before in the sport
@@thelemonlimeninja2144 I understand what you're saying and I agree to an extent. However, from what we've seen, the probability that he can get multiple no-hitters sometime in the future where pitch count *isn't* an issue is so high that I think waiting a little bit is probably the move
6 more outs!!!... what's next? Pulling him while he's tossing a perfect game after 8 innings? "We gotta protect his arm; he can never pitch a complete game of any kind until he's at least 30."
Those 6 more outs could take another 20+ pitches.
Speaking of Nolan Ryan. One of the greatest stats I have ever seen was was from 1974. Ryan pitched 13 innings and struck out 19.
That is impressive but he also threw 235 pitches in that game. Yep. That's not a typo. A pitcher today tries and throw more than say 80
pitches and he will require a trauma team,a help dog, and 3 trips to a psychiatrist.
1- watch Nolan Ryan’s mechanics. Flawless. 2- most coaches try not to mess with mechanics when they get a kid who throw flames. 3-Brings us to why so many young pitchers are having Tommy John. Short term results are more important to teams than long term are…
Nolan pitched until his arm finally said “you are done…” 46 years old! And then he came back and threw a first pitch years later and still clocked in at 85…
From an organizational standpoint it makes sense. High risk low reward. But from a fans standpoint it stinks
This is why Nolan Ryan's record probably never be beat.
Also need to not have the rookie let it go to his head. I get it. If he can do it now....then do it after 500 games at the age of 40 - Manager.
probably? Im going to say definitely
Probably? LMMFAO!
He was at the 100 pitch mark before the 8th. Protect the arm.
If he is at 100 pitches and he's going into the 9th, go get that no-no.
If he was also a 3rd year player, he's probably going until its over. He'll get more chances at history.
Yup.
@@sanic1085stop it
@@sanic1085 modern day pitches are way more violent. thats not how it works
Pitch counts don’t work. There’s no evidence whatsoever that shows that it prevents injury. It’s like when Chris Sale was pulled from a 17k game in the 7th. Let them play.
@@doublem1975x are you implying that throwing more pitches doesnt cause more wear on the body? really?
In my 51 years of watching baseball, you don't pull a starting pitcher until he stops getting outs, or his pitches lose control, whichever comes first. Pretty simple. Only aged veterans have the pull to really insist on staying on the mound in this situation.
Key word here is "watching"
I support. Protect that arm
I have no doubt that we see multiple skenes no-hitters. Would it have been nice to see him do it so quickly? Sure! But it’s not the end of the world.
Pittsburgh is only about 4 hours away from me, and though I'm a Braves fan, I think I am going to have to make another trip to PNC just to go see Skenes pitch. When you're a fan of baseball, especially pitching, it just seems like the right thing to do.
love the hype around this guy. reminds me of how hyped everyone was with Tim lincecum duting his run. damn what time in baseball right it is for pitchers
Skenes is officially the starter for the NL!!!
I coached a young kid that was a great pitcher. I treated the kid like a young prize fighter. My goal was to avoid injuries and build confidence. I would say the pirates did both in this situation.
I’m keeping Skenes in there, idc if he’s starting the ASG he can skip it. A no hitter is better than an AS start
I agree, no hitters beat long term arm health for Paul any day!
@@joalco3 you can always pull him if he puts on too many pitches, as ninja said he’s gone 120 pitches before
@@Markmen-cw8dj I get it, but no hitters are sort of meaningless. The dude has the potential to win 10+ Cy Youngs and (if his teams dont hold him back) perhaps multiple championships over a loooong career.
Starting the all star game as a rookie pitcher is way cooler than a no-hitter. He'll have many more opportunities for no-hitters but only two opportunities total to be the starting pitcher in the ASG as a rookie. I know which one sounds cooler.
Absolutely the right call, I wanna see him healthy and not getting 3 arm surgeries before 30
He's going to have the surgeries regardless. It's going to happen. It's part of baseball now until teams stop telling pitchers to go 24/7, all year, full bore or they won't get paid.
How did that work out for Stephen Strasburg. They protected him plenty.
100% agree with everything you said about Skenes
He looks like Trevor Bauer. I want Bauer back in the mlb
As a Pirates fan since I was 5 and I'm now 33 I'm sitting my Huggies to hear this much positivity about a team that normally gets shit on. If we don't pay this guy after his rookie contract there will be riots in the streets. Lol
Its not happening dude. Sorry. Enjoy the next 4-5 years. I'm a huge lifelong Pirates fan as well. Reynolds is the most expensive Pirate ever. He peaks at 15 mil per year. Skenes will be getting triple that, if not more.
@john670 I completely agree.But I wanna be delusional and have dreams too! Lol
@@FMRaDiO55 I hope it happens, but its not the worst result if we get 5+ years of the best pitcher in baseball, and then get a kings ransom for him. Just look at all the Nationals got for Juan Soto, its franchise changing.
@john670 now your speaking my language! Mabe change the culture around the team get people that want to come play with him get people excited about the team And like you said get a kings ransom 🤔
The question is: is he a future Yankee, Dodger, Met, Brave?
Dback
Won’t be Braves. He will have way more money on the table than the Braves will offer. I would love him to be a Brave, but just like Ohtani, price range will be high.
Exactly, they’re protecting his arm so he can be healthy for another team. Good for the triple-A Pirates
Both skenes and civale both were pacing in the dugouts. Never seen such intensity from pitchers before
Skenes' health and longevity is worth a hell of a lot more than a no-hitter.
Should have let him go for history and let him make the decision
How much history is a no hitter? They're relatively common
I was a Little Leaguer when guys like Sandy Koufax, Bob Gibson, Jim Palmer and Juan Marichal were expected to complete their games. Koufax burned out but many others were able to pitch 9 innings or more and had long careers. Would the 22 year old Skenes break down if he threw 120 pitches? Not likely. If he had completed his no hit games, he may have been starting the all-star game with 2 no-hitters. What a story that would've been. A story that never will be.
The story is epic enough..fully game no hitters are not as impressive as his overall work
@@shadowlazers Well, to each his own. I'm a guy who at the age of 10 listened to Sandy Koufax pitch a perfect game against the Cubs in 1965. Believe me when I tell you, listening to Vin Scully call the 9th inning of that game WAS EPIC. Sadly, Paul Skenes might never have the experience Koufax enjoyed on that day. That would be a moment in time he would never forget. 🥳
Skenes is crazy on the hill son damnnn
In a interview he said he was ok with it.
Will you absolute animal 🤣 are you gonna tell Tanner at the all star game about your Houck Tuah ambitions 😭 “Lord” 😂
Haha nahh don’t need a restraining order
@@will.leahey 😂😂😂 ah certain players with certain fan bases might be more understanding, so he’ll call the hospital for you and not the police 😂
Don't Paul Skenes' fastballs have less ride than normal? They sink much more than you would expect at that velocity. I find that very interesting, I wonder if there's a reason or even if it's on purpose to be different from all the 'rising' fastballs which are all the rage?
They tail a bit because he gets a bit of sidespin on them. This means he doesn’t have full backspin so it doesn’t ride as much
Woah, how did Tayler Scott not get a mention for hitting the batter and the batter swinging at it?
Edit: this was against Nick Fortes
One no-hitter is not worth more than a potential Hall of Fame career. The frequency of Tommy John and severe arm injuries is not a joke.
I had somewhat of a rubber arm in little league and highschool so my approach to no-no’s in the big leagues has always been. If they’re at 110 or lower going into the 9th with a no-no then you let them go out. They get until 120 and you pull them if they go over. Context does matter but in this case the context would have me want to send him out there more. If it’s game 160 and you’ve wrapped up a playoff spot or are eliminated then nah but this early into the year and it being his rookie campaign. Could’ve been a legendary moment to begin the kids career. I’m not mad at the manager though. Just always been my approach to the pitch count. I threw 130 in a blowout loss in highschool which fucked my arm but I routinely went over 105-110 with little repercussions from the ages of 13-17
That usher is a class act 🫡👌
I just saw Jenny finch’s son will be a senior in high school… he is already 6’8”, and apparently takes after mom and dad. I can’t wait to see Ninja display his stuff long before anyone else.
Brings me to Skenes. Ninja introduced me to Skenes. Last year, or maybe the year before (timelines not my best chore). And I’m glad he did. Even though he pitches for a different team (Braves fan here), I keep tabs on the Pirates rotation and schedule. I gotta know when this kid is pitching!
Hideo and Fernando pitched in AS Game as rookies. This guy is amazing.
Skenes vs Skubal 😍 come on give the people what they want. Best pitchers in each league (rn) and both coming in hot 🔥 first couple of innings is must watch and isn’t that what everyone wants.
Skenes v Strasbourg b4 injury? Who’s the choice?
Skenes.
I do like the decision with the amount of starting pitcher injuries out there. Really trying to preserve him for the long term. Besides he’ll surely get a strong chance at completing no hitter soon enough
After a 6 pitch inning, give him one more.
He was already at 99 pitches. No one would want him to throw 120-130 pitches just for a no-hitter.
Phillies did it for Lorenzen
Uh. People who like baseball would definitely wanna see that…..
When was the last time a rookie won Cy Young?
This won't be the last time he's working on a no-no in the 7th. Kid is 22 years old and throws ched, be responsible with that arm.
did anyone else notice he gripped the football with a "Terry Bradshaw" grip...thumb on the seems
tommy john is temporary. no hitter is history
He's got his whole career ahead of him. Keep his pitch count reasonable.
Will Skenes throw a leadoff homer in the All-Star game? Probably not. He isn’t a Giant pitcher. ( Skenes is also good for a border skirmish. Hello Giants fans)
i believe Paul Skenes is the second coming of the Ryan Express
Keep in him 100% and tell him only fastballs for strikes, if he gives a hit fine. pitch to contact.
All of my fantasy leagues were in the negative yesterday.. except my pitchers with 65-100 points lol wild day
Yessirr the call was right
Remember I said last week "Yeah I'll take him right now already vs anyone" It wasn't meant to disrespect Sku, nor Burnes (one of my all time fav pitchers, love his backdoor cutters). It's that he has some pitches that are as good as anyone in league, and he can freaking DOT them!!! His command isn't talked about enough on most platforms because his stuff is so nuts, but his command is godlike. How many times does he hit the lines and corners? On top of that he GETS BETTER as the game goes, he started rolling yesterday and while brewers pitcher was pitching more, skenes pitch count went down each inning. I forget it if was the 6th or 7th when he just decided to get some strikes on up and in fastballs and dotted them all... I swore out loud at that first k on backdoor slider and just had to call a friend who literally answered his phone with "How are you supposed to deal with that??? He knew instantly why I was calling and yeah... He's delivered beyond a long suffering pirate fans greatest expectations. I think if pirates could just get some more consistent keller games and Jones back healthy that the pirates could legit make a run in the second half, but now maybe I'm reaching too far lol... bullpen has issues and overusing chapman/bednar can only last so long. Heart attack Holderman might be the end of me, but it's a great ride to be on at least when Paul starts.
I WAS HOPING THE PIRATES WERE GONNA LOSE WHEN THEY PULLED SKENES WHAT A JOKE. LFG NINJAAA
If it's the 8th, you let him come out for the 9th. He's not going to pitch the 8th and 9th innings, so just pull him.
Seth Lugo has been amazing
If only skeenes listened to colon more maybe he’d make it one day
When guys can barely get a PIECE of the ball AND he's showing remarkable control (ONE WALK) the bottom line is, why would you expect another pitcher to do BETTER?
4:51 hold on a second this is the Pittsburgh Pirates the only way this guys getting over 100 million is if he goes somewhere else! Bob Nutting is the cheapest owner in all of sports or did you forget?
Can someone point me to an objective study that shows this magical "100 Pitch" mark is the point where pitchers' risk of injury skyrockets? I am asking this honestly because it seems like a completely arbitrary, made-up number. Where is the data that says throwing more than 100 pitches increases injury?
Is Paul Skenes the Bartolo Colon antithesis?
Just got my Mariners pitching ninja shirt in and it’s awesome. Going to wear it to a game and hopefully catch a foul ball and get you some free publicity lol
Awesome!
I'm sort of neutral, but I'd have wanted to stay in if it were me.
It sucks he couldnt finish, but he was at 99 pitches. Woulda hit 125-130 pitches to finish the game.
Pittsburg can sand bag his stats every chance thwy get, hes still going to sign a multi hundred dollar extended deal with another organization the FIRST posiible moment he can.
Fair is foul and foul is fair. He gets paid either way.
Them damn Red Sox rocked Nola bad ballooned his era and got rid of any all star consideration and kept him being underrated as always 😢 hope your happy Will 🤬😂 it’s them few and far between howlers he has just keeps his numbers average but he is a well above average pitcher who shows up 32 times a season his value is so high because of his availability but I totally agree he is well underrated for what he brings and took less money to stay in Philly.
Who decided that 100 pitches are the magic number?
Feels like he’s giving himself side quests…
He is staying and getting a no no
No kochanowicz!?!?!
Pitch count is one of many things that has ruined MLB for me.
Pull him. Hes 22. He'll have plenty more chances to throw no-hitters and perfect games. He needs more luck with ground outs and flyouts to keep the innings short for a no-no. His health and longevity is more important than an ultimately meaningless accomplishment. You don't get a bonus win for doing it.
Houk tuah
I like it, but imagine if they hadn't won the game.
Are no hitters as impressive as what skenes is doing every outing..no..how many pitchers have no hitters..hiw many pitchers do what skenes is doing..the dominance is more important than a feather in his cap
Pulling him with 99 pitches is just silly. If he gets through the 8th with less than 10 pitches bring him out for the 9th.
To finish the game he would have to have thrown around 120 pitches. Absolutely the right decision to take him out. All of the idiots saying he should have stayed in are typical. Instant gratification above everything else instead of the long view. That’s why all of those saying he should have been kept in are asking the question “do you want fries with that” for their job instead of working in the MLB
10-15 years? Pirates fans are holding their breath knowing that he will get traded before free agency. I love baseball and hate MLB.
Pull him. Go for immaculate innings record. Much safer for such a young player
No question. He was at 99 pitches. It isn’t an immediate pitch count issue but it’s on the horizon in a way that suggests that he won’t finish the game at all. If it was the 9th, I’d be concerned he couldn’t get out in 11 pitches. In the 8th, there’s next to no chance unless the Brewers give up on a one run deficit.
Also, being pulled from a no hitter is much better feeling than getting pulled for a lost no hitter and giving out a dirty inning. I think it’s the right play all around. Ten less pitches, and I can maybe get behind leaving him, but I don’t want maybe the best pitcher of a generation throwing 110-115 pitches on a hot July day in a meaningless game for a long shot individual accomplishment.
It seems just as likely that he’d blow his arm off as he would complete it, with around 98% of the time the result would just be ‘and then there was a hit’. Good call.
I think it was 100% the right move to pull skenes. He’s making his 12th start of his rookie season, with a team potentially making a playoff run. He will have plenty of opportunities for a no hitter/perfect game down the road and he still isn’t quite adjusted to the full season work load so why push it
Pulling a rookie throwing a no hitter is just UNAMERICAN
You are right. Having him blow his arm and still lose the no hitter in the 8th inning. Then miss the next two years with Tommy John surgery would be the most AMERICAN thing ever.
What I would have done is actually put my own money on my bets I'm recommending instead of doing what you do. You haven't won a parlay since May and what you're doing is unethical. End your partnership with FanDuel if you're not gonna actually bet what you recommend
I bet every these picks every single day Kev. If you don’t like his picks don’t pick em. Also, listen more closely, ninja doesn’t always rec the parlay, more frequently than not now, it’s individual bets.
@@will.leahey If you're betting these every single day then I hope you have a second job because woof
He already wants out of this $hithole organization
This is why Nolan Ryan's record probably never be beat.
Yep, totally agree--It certainly doesn't seem possible for someone to throw 7 no hitters. Since no one in history has more than 4 other than him...and pitchers are not going nearly as deep in games as they used to.
@@PitchingNinjaVideos or pitching into their mid 40's