Hunger Strike Patient Takes Unprecedented Decision | Chicago Med
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- Charles cares for a former patient of Lonnie’s who’s on a hunger strike.
Season 7, Episode 19, Like a Phoenix Rising From the Ashes,
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seeing dr charles comfort a peer in the field was so wholesome. she just lost a client that she knew for years, thats not an easy lost to cope with.
I mean...they're also dating but sure 😃
*patient, not client.
The acting here is absolutely spot on. Massive respect for the actors, they do an amazing job
no replies? I’ll change dat
except for the cpr....lol
@@geman741 fr…. 2x fast
The acting is good except it’s bad Charles is the only one that seems like a human everyone else is a robot
Shout out to Dr Marcel for listening to Dr Charles, so many of the physical doctors on this show ignore the opinions of psychiatry in favor of their own opinions
Especially Dr Halstead. While the dude is very empathetic to his patients and cares for them greatly... he still has a superhero complex and plays god all the time
I am a mental health care worker and I can tell you... if the patient DOES have a history of depression AND has attempted against his own life, that impairs the whole medical freedom of choice, because there is no clear way to determine if this patient is completely lucid, or if he has found a loophole to legally end his own life without medical interference. So until that is determined, yes, I too would have a court order to keep him alive.
Evidently, the character of Luis was 100% determined to die no matter what. He was clearly suicidal. At least he managed to get the recycling company to rethink their position, but still... this was a suicide, not a protest.
While i do understand your point about the desperation that a suicidal/depressed person can have and the associated limits on medical freedom that comes along with it. I cannot agree with your analysis that luis was determined to die no matter what. This is due to the determination that his character showed towards bringing about change. Hunger strikes are an extremely effective method for bringing about change (ask mahatma gandhi) due to the media/public attention they can bring to an issue. Self-immolation (specifically autocremation) also has a history stretching back centuries, being practiced mainly (among other motivations such as martyrdom) as a form of protest. This method, due it being possibly the most extreme possible, is hugely influential in bringing about widespread desire for change.
Therefore, i would say that Luis's main role as a character was to be that of an extremely determined protester who, in sane mind, was willing to sacrifice his life in order to stop an injustice from happening.
I was a psych patient with an eating disorder aswell as bipolar, I had treatment forced upon me which at the time I hated and now I'm eternally grateful for :)
Thank god you're not my healthcare worker
So you play god with someone else’s life.
@@hearmeoutbro no he's doing his job in keeping you alive
The ONLY person that did anything wrong in this is the journalist. Keeping him going, unhooking his restraints, capitalising on his death….
Which is why they're called "ambulance chasers".
His psychologist sucks too
nah screw that
she she want great but his therapist fucked up HARD
she straight up took away his ability to make his own choices about his own body
the journalist at least let him choice how he lived or died
In this episode, yes.But in general, hunger strikes are good and great. The Chief of Attawapiskat Theresa Spence embarked on a hunger strike and I consider it a success, and so do many others. Most people on hunger strikes continue fluid intake. Anorexia is different
Oh i agree 100% she effectively killed him
Of all the ways I expected this to go, that was not one of them... Continually impressed with how Chicago Med keeps coming up with all these extraordinary situations, but somehow does them in a believable way.....
Ikr my mouth dropped !
Pretty sure its a major ethics violation for a hospital to allow a journalist to stay in the room and hear all the confidential medical info of a patient and then report on it. She's not a relative and her reasons for being there don't qualify as a medical advocate, and if this was real life she would be in MASSIVE trouble for taking off his restraints (probably some kind of charge in facillitating his death)
TV drama gotta drama
Yup. Especially in the ED. We never allow relatives and family inside unless the patient is a minor or in palliative care.
@@gore0802 wow really? which country are you in? Ive been to ED many times both for me & others & they allow people most times
Where I live, provided the patient does not object, anyone can be with them at all times.
I mean he wanted her there so...
8:03 "he was in so much pain" Says the women who gladly watched him starve himself to death over 5 weeks
a thing he did himself
to himself
that he wanted to do
@@battalionstallion3894 by that logic we should just let all suicidal people kill themselves without trying to help them. you know, just because they do it to themselves because they want to.
@@battalionstallion3894 Something which she endorsed by keeping him updated. Providing him a reason to keep going.
Typical journalist, full of contradictions.
Nice to see a doctor - any doctor - be more self reflective after making a questionable decision. A lot of the main cast (I'm looking at you, Halstead. You too, Choi) like to make much sketchier decisions than this and they don't take any responsibility at all when things go badly south.
here's the thing Doctors take a oath a hippogratic oath that they'll treat every patient to the best of their ability, if a patient refuses treatment, and refuses to be revived, that goes against the doctors oath, and that will make the doctors depressed, nothing makesa doctor more happier that making sure their patient leaves the hospital better than they came in, thats why you see doctors desperate to revive patients, desperate to treat their patients, if you refuse treatment why bother going to the hospital or your doctor,
Dr halstead: only has the patients best interest at heart even if he has to make Questionable decisions, thats why he was suspended and brought back he was almost let go twice but dr manning owned up to her mistake and saved dr halsteads job
😅
There doctor did not make a questionable decision . It was the journalist
@@AlexisStreams Not in Australia :) We use or modify the Declaration of Geneva since 1949 instead.
@@Schnippsi see
was NOT expecting that
Neither was I 😱
I think he wanted to die, but he wanted to think that his dead would be meanful
I've never understood protests like this. The company isn't going to care if you starve yourself to death because of something they're doing. They're going to look at your little article about your hunger strike, laugh, and go on about their day. They won't care. You're not negatively impacting them in any way by dying in protest. Its so stupid.
Mahatma Gandhi would have disagreed. Even hunger strikes that ended tragically, like that of Bobby Sands, can have a massive impact with people through the media attention it can gather.
The company may not but the mayor cared. It worked.
Also if that story got out it would be viral in minutes and would have massive pull for the board of directors of a company
How did you do confidently comment this nonsense ? 😂
@@lafkalaf6374 it matters if the person matters and if it gets political. You need to be famous, attractive or charismatic. You then need to have something to bargain with like fame, money, power, connections, or just enough interest that it becomes a big deal. Not even everyone in the hospital knew about him and what he was doing. That alone shows that he wasn't making a big enough impact to effect change.
@@cristalmewtwo4160 no, you look at ghandis life and fight. The world didn't change because of his hunger strike
Eh, as a protest method, it can be effective, if only in the sense that it makes you a martyr to people who agree with you (increasing in-group commitment) and telegraphs to others how seriously people feel about the issue and makes the news (increasing the political saliency). If the authorities intervene to force-feed, it can be spun to just make them look worse. Objectively though, it doesn't convince me of anything and I dislike it as a tactic. Out of 8 billion people in the world, you can probably find _somebody_ to be this committed to anything, no matter the actual moral case or political injustices around it. It doesn't really demonstrate anything
He was very determined to make his point even if it mean't he would die.
No Comment ? Il change that :)
Even if he wanted to make a change, he also wanted death, that's why he set himself alight. Either that or he knew that nothing was going to change if he was alive still. The fact the journalist said he was in so much pain and cried, she knew she was helping him to die by 'encouraging' him, because he was so determined to make a change, whether that was on his own or because the pressure she added to the situation, he felt that was his only option
I maybe misremembering the episode but I'm pretty sure he did want to die and the hunger strike was just a way to do it without being stopped. Not saying he was faking being passionate about the cause but I believe even if they relocated the site he was always going to end up killing/trying to kill himself
Well, he got what he wanted in the end: death.
The protest was a nice little add-on to the obituary.
That journalist bothered me. It felt like she was using him, even though he wanted her there. Was anyone else bothered by the journalist? You don't have to agree with me, I'm just curious.
Hella bothered as well
She gave me the creeps
Yeah
More Chicago med please!
I really need to sit down and watch more of this show. It's really good and well written, but I have to admit something...can I tell you a secret? When I see Dr Charles, I'm always going to be reminded of crush...Porthos. All for One.
Omg same I developed a crush on him when I was 12, when I first watched the three musketeers 😂
@@alicelucy1333 With Charlie Sheen and Keifer Sutherland. along with Chris O'Donnell....Oliver was the diamond in the rough! I thought I was alone!!😅
@@slkshewolf No you're not alone, I liked charlie sheen aswell but much prefer oliver platt (porthos) I thought he was very funny 😅
The journalist attitude bothers me
I guess we could say it .... backfired?
This wasn't the CSI crossover I expected.
Yeeaaaah!😎
The actor that plays the patient is older than 22
Hope she’s pleased with herself
It does not matter about his past, whether he tried to or not. He still has mental capacity to make his own decisions. Unless he has been seen by the doctor it has been stated he doesn’t have capacity, she had now right. Even if it was the ‘right’ thing to do
it's psychiatry tho, it's subjective. She - a psychiatrists - thought he did not have capacity and was able to convince a judge. Based on her character she would have done the same thing regardless of his past i think.
@@zilesis1 And she was right. He was trying to commit suicide again.
@@ariac201 he succeeded
if he has a history of suicide he doesn't get a choice.
@@ariac201 I think, and I can be totally wrong here, that it was not really about preventing a suicide. The question is if he is in the right mind (e.g. is he not depressed) to make his own decision. As long as you are clear, you can basically do whatever you want with your body. She however claimed he was depressed and therefore wasn't able to make his own decisions anymore - and I assume the episode heavily implies that she was wrong.
Am I the only one who doesn’t get how he lit himself on fire with nobody noticing it
He had a cigarette lighter in his pocket.
When the doctors left him alone with the journalist, she opened his hand restraints. He took some of the hospitals desinfection fluid (it contains ethanol/alcohol) and lit it on fire.
@@gore0802Why would they even do that?"Like why leave him alone with the journalist?
@@CherryBlossomBlyue
Hard to say. It all depends on the standard procedure of the hospital.
In my country, it would be quite difficult for this to happen because we only allow family/direct next of kin inside and even then, if we have any doubts about the patients well-being (including if the patient is being influenced by someone like in the video) we distance them and force the intruder out, in urgent situations getting security and or police involved.
Another example would be abuse cases, domestic violence etc.., in these cases medical staff are mandated by law to report it to local authorities.
I’m watching this while eating enchiladas
Mmmm sounds yummy!!
Sounds good!
Wow they really made him look malnourished 😮
7:01 Good God, the look of horror on her.
Jesus the CPR in the show us atrocious
They have to do it that way otherwise they would risk breaking the actors ribs if they did it properly.
@genshinLoona if you've ever watched casualty they do far better cpr. I know they can't do real cpr on actors but their are likely dummies they could use to do it and use camera trickery to sort it out.
@@loonaLoonie that has nothing to do with why the cpr looks so bad. he is doing it way too quick, it looks like what a panicking teenage would do not a doctor xD
@@kingcobra851 Definitely not doing it to the tune of “Stayin Alive”
@@downhomesunsetStaying alive is considered too slow nowadays.
The average person slows down when performing compressions after one cycle (2 minutes) due to exhaustion. That's why nowadays you're supposed to perform compressions on a slightly faster bpm rate. 120-130 bpm instead of 100-120
9:43 did she break character lmao
She shouldn't have gotten the court order. She's just as guilty
That was heavy
Why couldn't they just be honest with him. That he is nobody to the company and it doesn't matter if he dies. That if he really wanted change, he should have found a famous person or social influencers or something political that he could trade off of.
I'm sure that would get him to eat🙄
Who do they think they are have no right feeding him they aren’t his parents
8:13 doing chest compressions too fast
The journalist is making him not eat
Homer simpson moment when he did a strike from Duff
By the end of the episode the female Psych Doctor was proven correct.
His end goal was to die. He just finally in his mind figured out a way he could commit suicide without anyone being able to stop him.
If this was really all about making a difference for this project he would have gotten over the force feeding gotten out of the hospital (sued if anything) and use the funds to improve the nighbourhood he grew up in or fight the plant relocation.
Very shocking and cool…………………..
Come on, they could at least try and make the CPR realistic
Right? The show has a very realistic look... unless it comes to CPR lol.
The doc was pressing on the patients chest like he was on heroine.. and called his death after one cycle of compressions 💀
dr charles got rizz
Dr Marcel should have refused to comply!!!
People like him need to be put into a psych ward and properly evaluated so that they do not do something ridiculous like this guy. She should be charged for unting his restraints. No way that the powers that be would have put whatever on hold because of one mentally ill person.
I wouldn’t want to live if have burns all over my body
I think they all failed the man. the doctors and the reporter woman.
The doctors didn't try to understand where he was coming from or his state of mind----he told them his objective, so they could have talked with him about other options that didn't involve starving himself.
maybe it was maybe it wasn't a suicide attempt- they don't know. the lighting himself on fire could have been an end result relapse into suicide because the objective goal he set for himself was taken away from him without proper mental support--they thought he was suicidal, enough to have a judge over ride him but didn't put him on suicide watch? especially when they removed the focus of his obsession
he set himself whole heartedly to the mission and likely deemed himself a failure because he 'failed' his objective
She has trouble with what?closed captions couldnt even tell me
"I have trouble with that kinda thing"
@@seththe1st thank you
Risking his own life for what
So the calcelor triggered the helplessness action to kill himself. He found his power in doing a hunguer strike.
Since he was at the action stage of his suicidal depression. He set himself on fire?
I googled it and apparently nicotine does not help with hunger it actually causes your stomach feel more empty
i get having a cause and you will risk everything for trust me i understand that perfectly but a hunger strike ? that seems like a extream
The doctor's responsibility is to help their patient...not get involved in protests or politics or anything else. This man had an previous suicide attempt and suffered from major depressive disorder. 1. Of course the man's physical medical history (as well as his mental health history does have to be taken into account. Both do. So attempting to talk him out of starving himself seemed futile...he was already going downhill with no appearance of slowing down or stopping the fast. So getting a court order would have helped to prolong his life at the very least, and give him a chance to be helped by psychotherapy or medication...so I don't see any culpability in the female psychiatrist's behaviour. 2. the doctor should have made him empty his pockets ensure there was nothing in his possession that could that he could hurt him with. 3. Since he was on a psych hold or forced to accepted iv nutrition, that reporter should not have been left alone with him. 4. And clearly his previous psychiatrist had a much more profound insight into the man's psyche. So, the first doctor & psychiatrist should have made sure he was safe, he should have taken the cigarettes and lighter away immediately. 5. And the reporter was culpable for interfering with a patient and/or a patient's treatment, causing irreversible harm.
Love it
Ghost rider 😂😂😂
never bother to help someone who cant appreciate.not worth to waste your emotions or times on them.u cant help someone who cant help themselves.let them go and focus the ones who want to be saved.that called natural selection.weak has no place in this world.weak as in giving up from themselves without a fight when noone else did.
We have a lunch date I forgot about?
So the reporter poured it on him ?
Did they post it 3 days ago on purpose bc of th guy in israel
hi Dr Charles my stomach is fat F h t
is it just me or is the chest compressions just weak af
I think it’s because these are not mannequins, therefor they have to be careful to not break anything 😅
The actors are most likely not allowed to perform real CPR for legal reasons.
@@emilaliyev9610I mean... he was still doing compressions WAY too fast 😂
They could at least try to make it look real
Can the hungry go on a hunger strike? Non-violence is a piece of theatre. You need an audience. What can you do when you have no audience?
People have the right to resist annihilation
Arundhati Roy
Qrd is the best
6:46
who wants a steak?
Medium rare thank you 😂
@@helloskylar2499 coming right. U wanna extra BBQ Sauce?
@@N1k4_Gr1v I prefer mine well done-soaked in Port and a nice peppercorn sauce…..
I'll take it blue rare, please and thank you
@@N1k4_Gr1v no just pepper gravy lol
1:46 the rich people wanted it gone because they're nimby's how just won't listen to what expert are telling them.
And relocating was less of a hassle than fighting then lawsuits
Serves him right , he killers himself over some stupid steel plant location
Yeah, say that when we're all burning from climate change. Which is literally already happening.
Sadly this is the road to treat a leftist when they throw a temper lol
W
the fact that i actually heard someone say, 'its environmental racism' just goes to show the social media impacts of which make no sense, wtf is environmental racism???
I think what they mean is it's a form of systemic racism
You could have spent your time researching instead of posting this. Environmental racism is real.
it's the wrong term in this scenario. this scenario is environmental classism, where rich benefactors pay politicians to relocate something unsightly or environmentally unfriendly to poorer areas. environmental racism is relocatement of unsightly or environmentally unfriendly features to non-white majority areas - such as Flint, Michigan, where a 98% African American town in the USA has no clean water due to a nestle water plant contaminating their water supply to then make the population pay for very expensive nestle water bottles. it's an interesting read once you actually get into it, especially some of the stuff nestle has done. a good place to start your research into environmental racism is the nestle baby formula controversy.
edit to add: not the wrong term in this scenario as someone pointed out! south chicago is a very high percentage of BIPOC, therefore it would be environmental racism.
@@strych9ines surely it is environmental racism as South Chicago has a high percentage of BIPOC residents
@@helenjames6982 ah, thank you for the correction! i didn't know this, i'm from the UK. i'll edit my comment. ^^
I did a 72 day water fast earlier this year and my weight stabilised at 70kg, didn’t lose weight after that. The idea that a *35 day* fast is going to cause THIS much damage is ridiculous- individuals have been known to go much, much longer- the concern would more be around monitoring for *lean muscle loss* than being on death’s door. Fasting is actually incredibly powerful and my mental acuity was part of the positive side effects I didn’t know I was going to experience.
Depends on how much excess fat and muscle you have in your body to burn off as energy before you start. If you got some, then you'll probably last longer. Also your metabolism and body type. But for someone like me that constantly lives on the line between underweight and normal, I probably wouldn't last that long. Eating under 1500 calories a day will let me lose like 2-4 pounds in under a week and puts me solidly into the underweight range, I would probably not last to 35 days of a fast. The average person probably would not last that long either, especially if it's their first time fasting.
There is a video on TH-cam about water fasts and how literally every person who claims to have lasted longer than a few weeks were all fraudulent.
In this episode, Louis came from a low-income area and likely had a low income himself, which, as a result, could mean that he already was malnourished when he started his hunger strike.
Tell me you make stupid comments about things you haven’t fully understood or thought about without telling me you make stupid comments about things you haven’t fully understood or thought about
@@musicalman1995 Fr, this person is spreading dangerous misinformation. There are also people who claim to not need any food or water at all and instead to live on the "air". Grifters and attention seekers.
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Too late the other guy got it
bro is doing heart compressions WAYYY to fast, honestly it should be at least half the speed