Fucking insane guitar. That's what a I love about Joy Division. It was never just about the lead singer. If any of the others died, it'd still be game over.
Ian’s lyrics to this song are timeless, edging towards the eternal. Immaculate. By the end of this song I often feel the tears welling in my eyes. He was the same age as me. I was heartbroken when he died. Ian has always been for me like a long lost brother that I never had.
I never saw the line "the saints with their toys" to be taken in the lower literal mind, he is saying that he's gone beyond the limitation of time, so the saints with their toys is a beatific picture of what the saints were like as children, he got to see St. Francis as a child playing with his toys. Ian at least had a little of that old poet's gift of being mystical, like George Herbert or Novalis.
I remember when I first got into Joy Division...waiting for the middle school bus at the end of my street, bundling up in the gloves and hat my mom forced me wear, blasting "Wilderness" on repeat through my lame over-the-ear style headphones, and fulfilling all sorts of stereotypes about teenage angst. Now, ten years later, the song is still on repeat (though, fortunately, the other circumstances have changed--except for my awesome headphones. I stand by that choice.)
Although made a year ago I just wanted to let you know the Church teaches that aswell that no man is above the Lord even the Popes. Much love and respect to you Crowley
@nobbilc It's because of the production; dark, "impenetrable," and a vast contrast to the more powerful and aggressive live sound they were pursuing at the time. Hooky has since come to appreciate it, though. I'm not sure about Bernard.
Martin Hannett was drug addict, he was able to understand Ian Curtis's pain and confusion he understood the pain and he was able to help meld it together into a claustrophobic soundscape of what its like to be inside a fucked up head. Hence creating some of the best rock n roll music EVER made.
He mustve listened to these lyrics over and over and if he was someone suffering I camt believe he never realised it with ian...the depth of his thoughts
Authority is ritual of complexity, whereby the most complex ritual wins in a vast stepladder of awareness. Those under its powers are driven into lesser posts. The true meaning of life is the expression and establishment of one's authority until the entire stepladder of awareness is achieved.
One must not overlook the role drums played in Joy Division's music. Without their drummer, Joy Division's melodies would certainly be less interesting. what's amazing about this band is that despite an overt lack of technicality in their music, when each raw, individual style is put together with each other, it just works.
Most successful lyricists use strategy to make their songs more enduring. The bigger the concept and more permanent the subject, the more enduring the song. Subjects like religion, engineering, and politics are pretty permanent in the world as are many of the vaster educational arguments.
@RHutton2710 Don't mind, at least I would have gotten to listen to good music, gotten to see amazing bands like Joy Division and The Beatles live.I couldve been a hippy. I feel so sad that some many of the people my age don't listen to Radiohead or Grizzly Bear even. I mean I have no one to discuss my favourite music with. I would do anything to go back in time at least even to the 90s and be a radiohead fan from the beginning, it must be amazing to see your favourite band change through time.
*The Esoteric Rulebooks* It’s impossible to play a game if you don’t know the rules. Many have tried to write the rule book, but when the game begins to actually make sense, you know you are doing something right. Many rules were written over 2,000 years ago, but people just assume they know the rules. This is folly. They began to recognize the dangers of sharing the rules with a general unknown humanity. That’s why even today the search for the rules is extremely difficult. The awful truth, firstly, is that the actual rules are Esoteric in nature, meaning they are related to witchcraft, mathematics, alchemy and mysticism, and Occultism. However, do to the nature of complexity and the realities of lesser consciousness they contended with political enemies and mostly covered up the rules due to political enemies of a lesser origin who sought to destroy and conquer for basic material goods or raised Christianity as a means to cover up and secretly own the rules themselves for personal gain. The rulebooks written by the esoteric leaders of the past were on the right track but largely incomplete in their nature and the rules of the game require too much subtlety of consciousness built very slowly over extended time to become relevant or useful to most. Most people resign to political law or engineering and science, leading horrible Hellish existences, unbeknownst of their origins or afterlives trapped in a world of food and laborious acts. It is no fault of mine or even the leaders of the past. It is due to the sweeping call of complexity communicated across the spiritual channels that ushers in the lesser forms of humanity alongside the greater perspectives who are often also tortured and killed out of spite because their rules are incomplete. The downward driving summation, gathering of mathematical clarity, implements that attract spirits for gain, divination for truthful accord, and energy of Earthly matter are all just the beginning of an even greater complexity and game. The lines were drawn for the entrance into a human body. Sometimes those lines can be redrawn or broken. -Will Phloam
If knowledge is power and power corrupts then the truth is absolute corruption. If corruption is evil this means that good is only a lie. Depression and psychopathy are the Fundamentalism of the Occult of Post Modern and Goth music.
does any1else think that Peter Hook doesnt get enough credit and praise?? he's over-shadowed by the genius of Ian Curtis, which if it was any other band Hook would be like God, unfair to a degree Joy Division= BEST band ever!
@DallyWhitty True...I love the production on 'Ukn Pl' though....I prefer it to 'Closer'...It's gotta be more like a live sound than 'Closer' was ???? And surely more aggressive too ?? 'Closer's' more maudlin and a real miseryfest !! ; ) I do like it though...
nobbilc it’s really a combination of things...Ian’s poignant introspective lyrics and deep voice, Barney’s abrasive guitar, Hooky’s melodic bass, and Steve’s robot-like drumming
Fucking insane guitar. That's what a I love about Joy Division. It was never just about the lead singer. If any of the others died, it'd still be game over.
Same with the bass line in this song too
I'm obsessed by this song, this band, this kind of music...
Me too ♡♡♡♡
Moi aussi et j'ai 60 ans.Jusqu'a ma mort ce sera toujours mon groupe préféré.
Same
There is no “this kind”, there is only Joy Division and what followed…
Ian’s lyrics to this song are timeless, edging towards the eternal. Immaculate. By the end of this song I often feel the tears welling in my eyes. He was the same age as me. I was heartbroken when he died. Ian has always been for me like a long lost brother that I never had.
Man, the riffs and lyrical poetry are just wonderful hallmarks of this band.
you are dead right man!
The second photo of Ian when he's looking into the camera, smoking, is just so erie, or mysterious...
Ok..
Every song is a Freaking GEM!!!
Joy Division's Music is my Drug Of Choice, Can't Function Without IT!!!
Dla mnie to jeden z najważniejszych zespołów w historii rocka.A Wilderness to jeden z najważniejszych utworów .Świetna muzyka i piękny tekst.Thanks.
Ian Curtis, THE MAN! Rest in Peace!
My greatest Song from this fantastic Album of the Century❤❤❤
Great bass and drum rythems here , guitar too..
Love the lyrics
Yeah it's like a drum n bass rhythm n I love it too. Happy mondays etc got their sound from songs like this
esto es!!! lo mas grande¡¡¡¡'' que hubo y que hay ¡¡¡ joy division es lo mejor!!!
saludosssssssssssss hombres del pasado y del presente,,,,,,,
I never saw the line "the saints with their toys" to be taken in the lower literal mind, he is saying that he's gone beyond the limitation of time, so the saints with their toys is a beatific picture of what the saints were like as children, he got to see St. Francis as a child playing with his toys. Ian at least had a little of that old poet's gift of being mystical, like George Herbert or Novalis.
The drumming here is fabulous! Well... everything is fabulous!!!
What did you see there?
I saw the tears as they cried,
They had tears in their eyes
I remember when I first got into Joy Division...waiting for the middle school bus at the end of my street, bundling up in the gloves and hat my mom forced me wear, blasting "Wilderness" on repeat through my lame over-the-ear style headphones, and fulfilling all sorts of stereotypes about teenage angst. Now, ten years later, the song is still on repeat (though, fortunately, the other circumstances have changed--except for my awesome headphones. I stand by that choice.)
WHY Did I have to been born in 1994?? AHHH it must have been so amazing to see this band and other great music live back in the 70s
Awesome bass line, ..........thanks for sharing.
ive seen them live seven times and this sounds best live.best song on unknown pleasures plus day of the lords
Phil Alderson agreed.
you probably get this a lot but you're fucking lucky :D
very lucky I guess
right time right place ha ha
All is wonderfull with Ian Curtis and Joy Division. Marvellous
I really don't get how this song is so unpopular. I'd rate it 5th out of all JD songs
Rita Rita Has always baffled me as well
I'd probably rate it in their top 5 too, but who said that it was unpopular?
Probably the religious references. The music is a thumper, though.
Great lyrics funking awesome
this is the most underrated song that jd ever did. it runs chills up my spine
speechless....
The best track on Unknown Pleasures by a mile!
Just Plain Awesome. Listen to the Instruments, then the clean Voice .
Thats the clue, the Clean voice of Ian Curtis.
Honestly one of my favourites
For me, the greatest Joy Division song
The base on this is fuuuuuuuuuucking awesome.
Majestic. Always reminds me of Dante and Virgil in the divine comedy. Check out Gustave Dore - visions of hell.
truly one of the greatest tracks of all time. many thanks for putting this together.
One of the greatest band in UK
polishman 1972
from a distance seeing friends just washed up on the shore, a picture in my mind of what's to come before the storm.
Powerful, Dark and simply PERFECT....Joy Division is my Addiction!!
Superb video and superb song!
Although made a year ago I just wanted to let you know the Church teaches that aswell that no man is above the Lord even the Popes. Much love and respect to you Crowley
His lyrics were so powerful.
amo a joy son la mejor banda de post gotico ke escucharan mis oidos hasta la muerte, fuiste muy grande Ian
Next to Heart & Soul...my favorite Joy Division song. Great, great song.
Hands down my favorite Joy Division bassline by Hook . Dead Souls comes in second and A means to an End makes it to the third place.
Great, touching lyrics, wonderful music.
My favouritwe song EVER...
Hidden gem I recently discovered.
Love this song.
LEGEND .
What did I see there? a brilliant band.
I miss this era when music was sincere❤
YOu made a beautiful video for this song by an unforgettable Singer and Poet
This is awesome!
Very clever interpretation indeed, Robert.
amazing, awesome tune
@nobbilc It's because of the production; dark, "impenetrable," and a vast contrast to the more powerful and aggressive live sound they were pursuing at the time. Hooky has since come to appreciate it, though. I'm not sure about Bernard.
bassline is too killer.
And that drumbeat. Sorta like drum n bass.
Too much kill
Martin Hannett was drug addict, he was able to understand Ian Curtis's pain and confusion he understood the pain and he was able to help meld it together into a claustrophobic soundscape of what its like to be inside a fucked up head. Hence creating some of the best rock n roll music EVER made.
He mustve listened to these lyrics over and over and if he was someone suffering I camt believe he never realised it with ian...the depth of his thoughts
Authority is ritual of complexity, whereby the most complex ritual wins in a vast stepladder of awareness. Those under its powers are driven into lesser posts. The true meaning of life is the expression and establishment of one's authority until the entire stepladder of awareness is achieved.
Deff liking thise song, only the 3rd one I've heard. I'm catching up here. ^^
Awesome!
COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL SONG !!!!
sick track!
One must not overlook the role drums played in Joy Division's music. Without their drummer, Joy Division's melodies would certainly be less interesting. what's amazing about this band is that despite an overt lack of technicality in their music, when each raw, individual style is put together with each other, it just works.
The lyrics to this song are completely relevant to what’s coming/come to Europe and the uk in terms of immigration and religion.
awesome.
mmm yummy! What a masterpiece!!!
fucking brilliant!!!
yes mam!
Most successful lyricists use strategy to make their songs more enduring. The bigger the concept and more permanent the subject, the more enduring the song. Subjects like religion, engineering, and politics are pretty permanent in the world as are many of the vaster educational arguments.
Class.
my favourite song
i love you Ian.
Лучшая песня на земле
@ekulanders the bass is always kickass
the most nihilistic song ever. sad a bit, but totally genious!
we are on the same page man. good vision
Ian was the soul of the band, but he wasnt the whole band. Put more pictures about others, they are same important.
Unmatched
Joy Division. Bardzo szkoda że Ian już nie żyje
2:00 is a good picture
Unique...
@glyanez
Trochę przypomina ten Nirvany np z Come as U are...:)
@RHutton2710 Don't mind, at least I would have gotten to listen to good music, gotten to see amazing bands like Joy Division and The Beatles live.I couldve been a hippy. I feel so sad that some many of the people my age don't listen to Radiohead or Grizzly Bear even. I mean I have no one to discuss my favourite music with. I would do anything to go back in time at least even to the 90s and be a radiohead fan from the beginning, it must be amazing to see your favourite band change through time.
❤
@Hurt646 I already am into literature, agreed a lot harder to find someone to discuss about.
the guitarist is the best
F*cking awesome !
@Z1lpE I can't understand why Hooky and Barney don't particularly like (especially Barney) 'Unknown Pleasures' and prefer 'Closer'...
*The Esoteric Rulebooks*
It’s impossible to play a game if you don’t know the rules. Many have tried to write the rule book, but when the game begins to actually make sense, you know you are doing something right. Many rules were written over 2,000 years ago, but people just assume they know the rules. This is folly. They began to recognize the dangers of sharing the rules with a general unknown humanity. That’s why even today the search for the rules is extremely difficult. The awful truth, firstly, is that the actual rules are Esoteric in nature, meaning they are related to witchcraft, mathematics, alchemy and mysticism, and Occultism. However, do to the nature of complexity and the realities of lesser consciousness they contended with political enemies and mostly covered up the rules due to political enemies of a lesser origin who sought to destroy and conquer for basic material goods or raised Christianity as a means to cover up and secretly own the rules themselves for personal gain. The rulebooks written by the esoteric leaders of the past were on the right track but largely incomplete in their nature and the rules of the game require too much subtlety of consciousness built very slowly over extended time to become relevant or useful to most. Most people resign to political law or engineering and science, leading horrible Hellish existences, unbeknownst of their origins or afterlives trapped in a world of food and laborious acts. It is no fault of mine or even the leaders of the past. It is due to the sweeping call of complexity communicated across the spiritual channels that ushers in the lesser forms of humanity alongside the greater perspectives who are often also tortured and killed out of spite because their rules are incomplete. The downward driving summation, gathering of mathematical clarity, implements that attract spirits for gain, divination for truthful accord, and energy of Earthly matter are all just the beginning of an even greater complexity and game. The lines were drawn for the entrance into a human body. Sometimes those lines can be redrawn or broken.
-Will Phloam
Morpheus is listening in with all of us..that bassline just blew a fucking hole through the matrix.
If knowledge is power and power corrupts then the truth is absolute corruption. If corruption is evil this means that good is only a lie.
Depression and psychopathy are the Fundamentalism of the Occult of Post Modern and Goth music.
Neo doesn't think he's 'the one' anymore.
silver .............. pure silver
My Profile has a different live performace of Love Will Tear Us Apart by Joy Division. Note this is not a cover by me, its the real deal.
A few tracks on this album have a guitar sound that 'Black Sabbath' could have been an influence...
Ian Curtis was a holy man
does any1else think that Peter Hook doesnt get enough credit and praise??
he's over-shadowed by the genius of Ian Curtis, which if it was any other band Hook would be like God, unfair to a degree
Joy Division= BEST band ever!
He's on many "Top Bassist of All Time" lists. Peter Hook is highly regarded - along with drummer Stephen Morris.
@DallyWhitty True...I love the production on 'Ukn Pl' though....I prefer it to 'Closer'...It's gotta be more like a live sound than 'Closer' was ???? And surely more aggressive too ??
'Closer's' more maudlin and a real miseryfest !! ; ) I do like it though...
it's so curious that there are more people wearing their t-shirts than actual views or playings on youtube or spotify it makes you cringe
@KnfRaw I think Joy Division'd be nothing without those lyrics...
Barney's guitar is pretty special though....
nobbilc it’s really a combination of things...Ian’s poignant introspective lyrics and deep voice, Barney’s abrasive guitar, Hooky’s melodic bass, and Steve’s robot-like drumming
Haha... funny one ;) This is real, and I wonder if Britney ever even felt a natural emotion...
My birthday is 05/18 ,my 16th Birthday, Ian's Sucide, RIP
No! - Ian C. wrote the lyrics; the whole band did the music
Man created god not the other way around, so no man or god is infallible.
The power glory of sin!
Yeah that fucking bassline AND the snare sound does my swede
9 personas no tienen idea de lo que es música!