Josh, thank you for your sensibility (for once) lol. I don't think Harley told MDB not to do business with Geelong, but not to film in there. They told Geelong not to let him film in there because the jokes were "offensive" to some people and they are a business. MDB has apparently done a lot of business with them and bought a lot of bikes to do crazy stuff with. I can't say I understand why Harley would make an advertisement like the one that started all this, but hey, their business. I'm going to continue to ride my brand new Softail Slim because I like the rumble and the look and the way I feel with the wind smackin me upside the head. What I don't get is why people aren't mad at MDB. He professes that he only makes YT vids to help those with mental health issues. I have seen quite a lot of videos of men who are really mad at HD for him leaving because now they don't get their "therapy" session with Bogan. That kinda tells me that MDB doesn't really care about his community much. If he was making videos for those who are hurting or depressed or what-have-you, then why did he abandon them? I have my own anxiety and other issues to deal with. I feel a bit more uplifted watching you or some other biker channels, but if you quit making videos, I'm still going to get on my bike and get in the wind. At the end of the day, it's not the person that helps you but the idea. Sorry so long. Have a great one, keep the rubber side down.
When I was a LOT younger, I rode a 1983 Silverwing. Hung out with a few Harley guys and they were exactly the same way. What you ride didn't matter. If Harley riders were still like this (and Harley had kept improving their product) I'd probably be riding one today.
@@esk8jaimes I think electric sounds awesome. For me, the Livewire barely has enough range to work as a daily bike, and my preferred trip of drive somewhere with trees (I'm in LV) and camp out is right off the table. Now I think of it, do people lose enthusiasm when talking about group rides? Having to stop to recharge every 125ish miles would suck for everyone who can gas up in 5 minutes.
@@zugmeister314 I do think ride-outs with electric motorcycles will still happen, albeit with regular stops (it's probably a healthy thing for the rider's attention span) If anything, stopping more regularly is good for local businesses and gives people more of an excuse to talk with others, do tourism stuff. That seems like quite a good thing, a unique selling point. There's something about not rushing from one place to the next and just enjoying the ride.
Well said Josh. Very well said. I was one that was upset about this whole thing with MDB. I’m guilty. I looked at Harley-Davidson as a culture that shouldn’t change and not a company. You have brought me back to reality. Not getting rid of my Harley’s anytime soon but I’m going to keep my Fury too. Bikes... that all you need it a Bike.. no matter what it is. Thank you Josh!
@@1mchartmann Pretty much every brand did. A lot of people who didn't have licences got those because people don't trust public transport. Used car market has also been hotter than in years. Same with RV's and campers.
@@1mchartmann My local dealer for every brand used to have 30-40 bikes out front, now they are lucky to have 5, they cant keep anything in stock, and people are asking $5k for a ninja 300
I'm So Glad You said that Regarding HD and MDB as Too Many TH-camrs are Riding the DRAMA TRAIN..Yes We All Like MDB mostly and No Use Getting the Shits with HD as It Doesn't Change my Perception on Riding. Awesome Vlogs Shadetree,,Keep it up.
This is the first sane reaction to the HD vs MDB thing I've heard. I'm also questioning reality because I just implied that Shadetree is sane, but that's the world we live in.
Agree... Honda did the same thing. Anybody remember the “ you meet the nicest people on a Honda”. Well that about sums that up! Me like most vets ride for mental health reasons as well. On a side note PTSD sux! Be safe out there they are trying to kill us! 😂😬😂
3:48 Flip Na for POTUS. 1. Rides bike that saves the planet 2. Gets someone else to make the loud motorcycle noises 3. Gets the noisy person to carry his stuff Anyone able to achieve these objectives, could easily run the 🇺🇸. Probably the 🌎. Shadetree for Vice? 😃😃👍🇬🇧
Brother I own a 83 lowrider and a 15 fatboy and I get more joy out of the 83 death trap shovel that doesn’t always like to start and makes my leg sore. But when it comes alive it’s hard to beat.
@Addicus Taylor My vintage motorcycles are worth more everyday I own them. Can’t say that about that poor sap who bought that dead wire and now wants to trade it in! Basically he’s totally screwed in terms of resale and trade in value. Even the dealers can’t sell those novelty items called live wire.
I agree with you in part. I discovered MDB because of the controversy and really do enjoy his content. I think the real issue is how HD interjected themselves into a very personal relationship MDB, his local dealership and the TH-cam community he shared it with. HD could've been indifferent about what others think about them just as you are. Instead, they chose to impart their will on a relationship for the sake of those that were not party to the relationship.
exactly and they are more worried about the feelings of SJW professional cry babies who probably don't ride than the audience who do and like the MDB vlogs
They ALWAYS do this.. this is their style. has been since the 80s. They do it to their employees, they also like to fire temp employees on day 89 because they have to hire after day 90, only to replace with new temps. Aka "club 89". Wash rinse and repeat.. They do it to their customers all the same. They Void warranty for mods they themselves sell, they blame customers for design flaws when it kills them. Hell they even do it in many of their ad campaigns. In short, I'm a Milwaukee native. There are 2 camps in the "I don't like HD" minds. One doesn't like them because they don't like their products. The other has no problem with their products but won't ride one because of their corporate attitude, actions and experience. They Dog MDB, but they sure love Katy Perry and Jason mamoa.... All this is why many were very happy when another American option came about , for better or worse. Welcome. #HDkoolaid Cheers.
Exactly this. A friend who has been a lifelong Harley fan and up until last year bought nothing but Harley’s for 20yrs, purchases an original Low Rider S (to keep his XR1200X company). He’s not a thrasher, only HD official dealers were allowed to touch it. It had a full service history. Two weeks out of warrantee the cam chain tensioner let go and it took the crank with it, snapping it. HD wouldn’t help at all. His dealer stepped up and gave him the parts at cost and did a bit of a deal on labour. It still cost him $4k. He rides KTM now...
@@hollowaysteve I have 3 shops in my area who each employ around 20 folks full-time to rectify exactly what you highlight. They also address factory bent cranks with unacceptable run out, and for broken pressed together cranks they offer a welding service. HD has always known it's an issue and did next to nothing about it year after year after year..
Matt Huber Just look at the twin cam88 debacle. It’s a poor quality, cheaply made item sold at a premium price and they’re still doing it. It’s a shame. I’m not anti HD (I had an XR1200X and they’re bullet proof) but I am anti HD corp. the big blocks are made cheaply. (Can’t comment on the latest Milwaukee 8 engine but the rest of the bike is cheap). The dealers are the only thing keeping any of the HD reputation intact. I don’t know how long that can last.
@@hollowaysteve yup yup.. They knew exactly what was wrong, how to fix the cam shoes that wore prematurely, best case, failed worst case. again, they did nothing for years but they sure made good money selling cam tension shoes! Don't even get started on failing brakes clutches and sometimes fatal frame/swing arm failures. (That they knew about and blamed on customers..I'm also not anti HD. I call my stance on them, "though love" as I mentioned my area before, HD and the aftermarket employs so many in my area, from small coating shops, to multi hundred person factories. I'd much prefer them to do well, than burn them self's down.
Shadetree you have a great and open relationship with Bert's HD. I am interested if he would be prepared for you to broadcast a video of him discussing the use of third party tuners and how to disable the safety systems on a CVO. I would also be interested if this would violate his dealer agreement? This is where MDB went wrong. Nothing to do with PC or otherwise. Keep up the great content from the three of you.
Very interesting point of view on MDB, well spoken. I do personally feel HD goofed up with the MDB situation though, they've turned a non issue into something negative for them, in a time when they really don't need any negative press going on.
Watching what's going on with Harley is kinda like watching a slow motion multi car collision where you're trying to identify the pieces flying through the air. It's horrifying but you can't stop watching it. And there's nothing you can do to stop it happening either.
BINGO. If HD just left it alone or didn't make as big of a deal out of it as they did, most of us would probably have never known. They brought a flamethrower to start a grill.
I’m no fan of “cancel culture” or the level of political correctness these days but that’s not to say that the PC movement didn’t come from a need to help old straight white guys understand that what they may consider a “non issue” is in fact an issue!
@@particleinthewave8378 Agreed. We need more understanding. I don't care who you are, as long as you're a good person and riding. We can't all agree on everything, it's not human nature. As long as we're "Be excellent to each other," everybody wins.
I want to point out an extremely small footnote you said right before the video ended, but it rang so true with me. I also ride for a mental and emotional health reasons. Getting my motorcycle license, learning to ride, and getting over my fears was a testament to me kicking my severe panic disorder, anxiety, and depression in the ass. I always wanted to ride but my mind would not let me. May of this year, I passed the MSF and a week later I bought a 2017 Street Bob. I can't tell you how good it feels to say "Fuck you anxiety, I told you no, and won't let you ruin what I WANT to do."
Well said. The pressure on Geelong HD is what most of us are pissed about. But, we don't know if they had requested MDB to stop and then escalated to Geelong. Also, we are tired of the P.C. culture in general. Good Vlog Shadetree Surgeon!
Great video mate. Finally someone speaking out about HD selling an image and people buying into it. One thing that is not discussed about why MDB stopped releasing videos is that the state in Australia that he lives in (Victoria, Australia) is in one of the strictest lock downs in the world. Once HD stopped MDB from producing videos in Geelong Harley. This prevented him from making content that is of the standards we are used to seeing from Danny. I am sure once the lockdowns are eased, MDB will have loads of content coming to us once again.
@@shadetreesurgeon Absolutely. Look at Hondas old slogan "You meet the nicest people on a Honda". I have a Honda CB125E in the garage so they could almost be done retrospectively for false advertising
@@RoadsOfOz many years ago in Sydney Australia a Radio DJ did a live read for a Honda commercial, "... get something red hot and throbbing between your legs, ride a Honda" or similar wording. Probably 45 years later I still chuckle at it .thenewdaily.com.au/entertainment/people-entertainment/2019/08/31/ward-austin-radio-sydney/ MDB while a fellow Aussie, seems a nice bloke, is entertaining, boasts about his self-made fortune (which I congratulate him for achieving; self-made people --- respect), sticks his head where it sometimes should not be stuck, and may have caused Colin to come into the spotlight. So maybe Daniel needs a little reality check too, for the benefit of the people around him.
That didn’t come across when he made that vid stating he’s basically had enough of HD and isn’t gonna make any TH-cam vids any longer. He basically threw his toys out the pram due to them protecting the brand, rightly or wrongly.
Damb straight, Harley is cool but not the end all be all. I've had Harley and Triumph. And Kawasaki and Suzuki and my fav Honda vtx 1800. Ride what you like. Then ride them all. Get a background to judge, not just a narrow opinion
Shadetree surgeon makes sense of a non-sensical situation....wait....what??? Seriously this is the most constructive and honest point of view of the while MDB situ. MDB really needs to just go for a long ride, catch up for a cold one with some mates and enjoy his bike...
My dad worked for AMF in the 60s with their orbitread tire retreading machine. He worked with a German electromechanical engineer, who my dad claimed, ended up being the guy that told the AMF board to buy HD so that the brand didn't disappear. A German, telling AMF to "not let such an American icon die". The AMF years for HD may not be the best, but maybe some interesting history.
I hear you dude. I love the Harley I own but I am not against other bikes, I like what I buy and I buy what I like. I too just want more people on motorcycles and have a reputation for sniffing out anyone who has had just a passing thought at some point in their life of owning a motorcycle and feeding that thought until they fulfil their motorcycle riding potential. Be that on a Harley or otherwise. I own my Suzuki Bandit for similar reasons too, they’re easy to work on, parts are common and cheap and they are hardy machines. Stay safe man.
I love my Harley a great deal however i removed the brand name from my tank because that’s the look I like and it’s my bike not Harleys! That being said Shadetree I really hope to drink some cold beverages and have some laughs with you some day your show is awesome thanks for good times and as you’d say keep it weird.
Love your analysis Josh! One of the best online "rants" I've seen! More than a machine commercial was awesome!!! Better than the Jason Mammoa things! It was really cool seeing you ride down town on the FXR. Take the Goldwing over there.
Shade tree surgeon, I think you need to lecture the executives at Harley Davidson on how capitalism works. They certainly priced me out and now our local Mega Harley-Davidson dealership is shut down out of business. Sad but true
I agree, I just want a motorcycle payment not a house payment. Not to mention that some of the new bikes have that technology were just runs on one cylinder at the traffic light
It happens and people get over it. I'm an example . When Harley outsourced its first overseas part I was like nope I will no longer buy a new Harley and I am sticking to the old ones. I bought a new one later. They did it again and I said nope I am done with new ones for sure .... Bought another new one. Just have to accept change will always happen and your either going to ride the wave or fall off
I stopped at Evo's. Haven't wanted or bought a new Harley since '89. Any time I want a new scoot to ride. I build a new one then ride the wheels off of it. What got me was how they jacked the price when all the rubs started buying 'em
Thank goodness someone has the nerve to tell the truth. I have a Harley-Davidson because I love my Harley-Davidson. Corporate America has but one purpose, to make money and if you think they’re concerned about any one individual, your sadly mistaken. Love your honesty. Keep it coming. People need to quit taking life so seriously and just enjoy it,,,,, on a motorcycle.
In 1987 I bought a chopped 55 Panhead with a 6" over wide glide front end. This thing was such a pile it made Barf Party look a like state of the art reliability and beauty. I LOVED IT for over ten years! I miss My old Pan so much. I only sold it because I needed money for the down on a house!
Your reactive soliloquies are always emotionally and vocally gymnastic...and very entertaining! They remind me of a scene in a Steve Martin movie/comedy where Steve played the part of Cyrano de Bergerac. In that movie, there is a scene where Steve/Cyrano verbally dresses down a bully making fun of Steve/Cyrano’s noticeably large nose! Brilliantly funny! If you have not seen it, I think you might enjoy that movie!
I lived in Bradenton for 35 years but we moved to southeast Alabama and sold the Florida house. I live in a small farm area now and it is great motorcycle country and have rode more in a year than I did in Florida in the last 10 years. With all the cash I made on the sale of my Florida house I bought a better house for cash on a huge lot built a new shop bought three more Harley's and still have cash in the bank. I remember those old commercials I still have a 72 FLH but I have never bought a new bike my newest bike was a 2002 FLSTC I bought last year and sold it and my 01 FLHRCI and bought a 98 FLSTF. The only non Harley Davidson bikes i had was a 46 and a 48 Indian Chief back in the 70's and early 80's. Good video. .
To much work not enough time for videos. He wanted to be a small business owner! Be careful what you ask for!! I called to make an appointment wanted to get him to work on my bike we got interrupted,he took down my number and still have not received a call back!! Too late now the work is done!!!
Great video Shade tree. Good to see a different perspective on the MDB vs HD. I was initially drawn into WTF are HD doing but a few folks like yourself have pointed out that HD are not here to pander to us and our right on, rebel without a cause bull, they are there to sell motorcycles period. I get that. Thanks STS
I loved this vid and I’m one of the guys who made a vid pissed at HD! Great thoughts and I enjoy the comments! Now I’m gonna go look for a left handed Lesbian Eskimo Midget and see if they wanna get nasty with me!!!
I couldn't agree more with your thoughts and commentary on HD corporate vs MDB; too many others taking it personally and making it into a bigger deal than it really is. Thanks for your down to earth realistic attitude.
I think the whole Harley vs MDB thing is jist a sign of the times. They made alot of gay jokes and stuff like that. Some people are quick to be offended, and Harley, just like any other company, wants to protect their image. I miss the MBD videos, but understand why Harley would not want that kind of publicity.
Shadetree, I gave you a thumbs up & always do. I hadn`t heard you say "more of us on 2 wheels/less of them" lately, so there`s that. I hope we get to meet one day & maybe ride, but I am a left handed midget lesbian Eskimo. I noticed you stayed away from the crux of the biscuit & instead made it about "corporate" but it isn`t. The rallying cry is about some self serving right wing hate spew they seem justified in. They believe they have some RIGHT to be purposely offensive to hurt & incite violence, by shaming, name calling. Sure, among friends we take liberties & make fun, but when it`s not among friends & it`s not good natured then it`s not fun & can be downright dangerous. You managed to OMIT ALL OF THAT. I didn`t see the controversial bogen vid. I`ve only ever seen a few of his & stopped watching after he CONTRIVED a Harley DROWNING in the surf. What PUTZ doesn`t know BETTER than to put a 900 lb bike in SOFT SAND? (As the TIDE COMES IN, NO LESS?) I mean, talk about your click baiting! The "right" likes to turn good words into bad. Like LIBERAL (Means MANY) The opposite being MONO (One, monarch, tyrant, dictator, king) Liberal gives you the RIGHT to VOTE & CHOOSE, to be INNOCENT until proven otherwise by a Jury of your PEERS. Political correctness is only a matter of being fair, polite, kind & keeping the peace. The jackasses making a big deal about their "right" not to? Probably deserve a beat down to keep their mouth shut & sadly, that`s where we are at. You didn`t address ANY of that, really & IMO you copped out! Should have just left it alone, but don`t expect a lesbian midget Eskimo on an Ironhead to!
The Harley enthusiast is a double edged sword for HD: on one hand they will buy the Harley no matter what. The competition could have a cheaper bike that's more reliable with better performance specs and the Harley loyalist is not even going to consider it. On the other hand people like that start to take a sort of "ownership" in anything and everything HD does, because they believe HD is selling them a culture as much as a product. So HD does risk upsetting those loyalists with run of the mill business decisions that if they were coming from Yamaha would piss off zero Yamaha riders.
Dude, i’m so glad that angry shadetree just got back to spit its understanding of the world to good thinking rest of us. First reason i ever hanged out around here. Love u man!
This is so refreshing as a Aussie rider I'm sick of all the Harley Davidson bashing over the MDB bs and I feel the same as you. At the end of the day MDB got a smack from daddy HD corporate he just needs to suck it up and get on with it
I don't think it's a PC issue. I think it has more to do with him lying to police, crossing borders illegally and putting it all on TH-cam. He also talked about how his dealership cut the wires on his traction control (which could get them sued) and then said Harley had a big problem with their traction control when they really don't. He modified the bike with a cam and aftermarket tuner. The traction control was doing what it was supposed to do. He said a lot of things in that video that could get HD and the dealership in trouble. I think the PC idea was just a good excuse or final straw for HD to step in.
Love your content I love all bikes my uncle was old school and taught me to appreciate them in all there splendid glory it never made him think about brands he just loved the RIDE.
My first bike had a "startup procedure" to get it to reliably light off. Old Honda but finicky like a British bike 😂. 1. Twist throttle to squirt the accelerator pump. 2. Choke (not enricher circuit!) 3. Pray 4. Crank. You got 3 tries before the starter overheated and then you got to wait for 30 minutes
I was close friends with the local Harley-Davidson dealership owner. Back in the 80s He walked out to my bike with me when I was leaving because we were still talking about our favorite hobby which was not motorcycles I put the key in my hot rod Sportster that I was riding at the time and as soon as I turn the switch on the motor fired up never touch the starter. The owner of the shop is laughing he's saying I have never seen that happen before you have got that bike alive. It just wants to go. To be fair that is the one and only time that it started in that manner.
They were inside the dealership, using a garage door opener, trying this new fangled idea called remote start. After nearly giving a couple guys a heart attack, they decided it was legally to risky. Lol, sorry couldn't help myself.
I've noticed that some cage manufacturers have been putting some type if Vtwin in their commercials almost as if to to say "we're badass too". I grew up around motorcycles because where I live there was no dealer until about 79. My neighbors worked on all types of bikes including the local police bikes. I just love the sound and the shake of a Harley.
The “get a real bike” guys really just ruin Harley. They’re just old fat ego riders who look angry when they ride. It really turned me away from Harleys for a long time, but then I realized if I didn’t get a Harley just because of them I’d be no different than the ego riders. Sold the r6 and got a dyna and Fell in love immediately, looking the get a bagger for longer rides and another sport bike for when I feel the need, the need for speed. Till then I’ll continue to ride around with a huge grin on the dyna. Great video keep it up 👍
You are absolutely right. The biker image Harley adopted and promoted for so many years is a HUGE negative now in terms of reaching new buyers. It has to distance itself from the bearded, misogynistic pretend outlaw shit or it will die.
It’s strange and at the same time funny how often people these days have to state the obvious/logical/rational and regroup the masses to some semblance of rational thinking . And you did it very well here Shadetree. Advertising and marketing is just that! All a ploy to make money, as in, the American way. Thanks man. 👍
Thank you very much for setting everyone straight. Especially for just telling the truth. I’m the same way, I just love to ride, and to me that’s all that matters. I have a Harley-Davidson as well as a Kawasaki KLR 650 two different bikes for different styles of riding. I seriously respect you for bucking the trend and speaking your mind. Now that’s a rebel. Duckman out.
A lot of people find there identity in things like this and when something about that perceived identity changes it’s jarring. That’s the problem with building your house on sand when the rains come the house crumbles.
MDB has posted several things that align with his right wing politics including attacking his own government for requiring masks .. If you don't want a company to draw a line in the sand maybe talk more about motorcycles and keep your political leanings or prejudices out of the equation . I think he knew that some of his content was going to adversely affect the Dealership which was an innocent party in this debacle . Now he wants to whine about the outcome he got ? Give me a break 🤣
Ask any person on the street if they “know what Harley did to MDB” Also, the 80’s ad was dope. Makes you want to be part of a crew. I’ll be buying Harleys for many years to come. New only. I’m 29 and just bought my first back in Feb. The 2020 LRS.
Totally agree with why you own a harley, being able to work on it yourself, parts, customisation and sound. All why I want a pre-softail Harley, traditional air cooled engines ftw
Can’t remember the season but when the SOA started riding the Baggers it was done in conjunction with a relationship with HD according to Kurt Sutter....
@@neodutch so Kurt Sutter doesn’t know what he is talking about? He has said in numerous interviews that the show had a relationship with HD during the middle seasons........
I bought my first Harley because it was loud and fast. It was a 1975 xlh1000 . Now I have a 2016 Triglide and I love my lazy boy recliner with wheels. That has a great stereo system and gps and cruise control
I just parked my 1983 FXWG after a little ride. Good insight on this. I ride my Harley Davidson because I like it. I liked all the motorcycles I ever owned in my 67 years. Keep two wheels upright!
Brother, you hit the nail on the head! Ride the damn bike, screw what everyone else thinks. Love the bike, not on what someone thinks or what some company is doing. This is why I enjoy your content...because you’re so “biased” on not being biased, lol! Ride safe brother
Hey Shadetree,, we are here in Okla. City and have been out of power for a few days so I'm catching up on your cool videos on my wife's phone because we are still without internet. Gotta do what I gotta do to keep watching. And LOVE The Bogan.
Totally agree. The only thing that bothers me about harley is all the discussions they make that seem to lower their profitability. Personally its stuff like not sticking with and modernizing the XR1200 (the ftr before its time), dumping Buell (I still want an 1125cr) and now canceling the Bronx (I guess my next bike will be the new MT09, better, cheaper, and it exists)...Oh and that got a bit dark at the end. Hope you are doing well
Glad to finally hear your opinion on this one. I personally think HD made a big deal out of it because he criticized the traction control system in his last video.
That was pretty good Josh. It really doesn't matter what you ride or what anyone thinks. Just as long as it's what you like, it has 2 wheels, upright and pointed down the road. I like older models too.👊✌😎
At about 16 minutes in; and you can remove and replace spark plugs with a 6 inch adjustable wrench, and rebuild the top end on the engine and rebuild the transmission without pulling them. Yes, compared to many other bike they are super easy to work on even if HD is trying to change that in some later models.
I tell all my friends and fellow mechanics at work, that fixing my Harley bikes are almost as simple as working on my lawnmower. I truly believe they are great simple machines, and that is why I own and ride them.
::: Waves ::: Gotta agree even if it does stick in my craw. My first ride on a Harley was back in 1953, been a devotee ever since. What hurts is that our loyalty to the brand means squat anymore. We come in all shapes, sizes and genders. Stuck with them thru thick and thin. The issue is about accepting those who back HD day to day and not just quarterly. Ride safe, be well.
The mistake everyone makes is to take a polarized response. I’m a social worker and you never have a impact by shutting someone down. The only way we grow together is to learn together. Harley should take the opportunity to create space for conversations, for Harley lovers of different generations to talk and find common ground. No one learns by being told “No”...Response “what?” “Why?” “F you!” Lol one extreme is just as bad as the other. Come together 😉
Hey you stopped and ate at my Restaurant! Glad you went there. It's good to know I have a restaurant in FL. LOL! I'll have to eat there on my trip to FL in December.
“Left handed, lesbian, Eskimo, midget.....”when did you meet my ex?!?! Classic and classy as always! Keep it up and keep it weird!!! 😂
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She is your ex also?! Damnit!
That got me 😂
Lmfao
I think thats an old punk song i heard in the 90's
It could be older, but I heard it in the 90s.
Josh, thank you for your sensibility (for once) lol. I don't think Harley told MDB not to do business with Geelong, but not to film in there. They told Geelong not to let him film in there because the jokes were "offensive" to some people and they are a business. MDB has apparently done a lot of business with them and bought a lot of bikes to do crazy stuff with. I can't say I understand why Harley would make an advertisement like the one that started all this, but hey, their business. I'm going to continue to ride my brand new Softail Slim because I like the rumble and the look and the way I feel with the wind smackin me upside the head. What I don't get is why people aren't mad at MDB. He professes that he only makes YT vids to help those with mental health issues. I have seen quite a lot of videos of men who are really mad at HD for him leaving because now they don't get their "therapy" session with Bogan. That kinda tells me that MDB doesn't really care about his community much. If he was making videos for those who are hurting or depressed or what-have-you, then why did he abandon them? I have my own anxiety and other issues to deal with. I feel a bit more uplifted watching you or some other biker channels, but if you quit making videos, I'm still going to get on my bike and get in the wind. At the end of the day, it's not the person that helps you but the idea. Sorry so long. Have a great one, keep the rubber side down.
I'm 61 and I've had every brand of motorcycle there is. Just ride !
Couldn’t agree more!
Every brand ? really ?
@@QBTO Well not every single one like literally but all the well known ones probably.
Agree 100% they call it 2wheel therapy not Harley therapy or etc as long as you ride is what matters
"Motorcycles make it better." Nothing more true has been said. Can't ever try to talk bad about Throttle Therapy. Bikes make everything better.
Throttle therapy combined with group therapy, nothing better than riding to the range.
Like Bert said, I don't remember his exact words but essentially ,It doesn't matter what you ride just that you do ride.
When I was a LOT younger, I rode a 1983 Silverwing. Hung out with a few Harley guys and they were exactly the same way. What you ride didn't matter. If Harley riders were still like this (and Harley had kept improving their product) I'd probably be riding one today.
It's funny, people say that a LOT but aren't too comfortable when you mention preferring electric motorcycles... Double standards perhaps?
This. 100%. As long as someone is out of a car riding a bike enjoying life I'm happy with it :)
@@esk8jaimes I think electric sounds awesome. For me, the Livewire barely has enough range to work as a daily bike, and my preferred trip of drive somewhere with trees (I'm in LV) and camp out is right off the table.
Now I think of it, do people lose enthusiasm when talking about group rides? Having to stop to recharge every 125ish miles would suck for everyone who can gas up in 5 minutes.
@@zugmeister314 I do think ride-outs with electric motorcycles will still happen, albeit with regular stops (it's probably a healthy thing for the rider's attention span) If anything, stopping more regularly is good for local businesses and gives people more of an excuse to talk with others, do tourism stuff. That seems like quite a good thing, a unique selling point. There's something about not rushing from one place to the next and just enjoying the ride.
Well said Josh. Very well said. I was one that was upset about this whole thing with MDB. I’m guilty. I looked at Harley-Davidson as a culture that shouldn’t change and not a company. You have brought me back to reality. Not getting rid of my Harley’s anytime soon but I’m going to keep my Fury too. Bikes... that all you need it a Bike.. no matter what it is. Thank you Josh!
Stevy Faux in the house. 👍😄
Harley has far bigger problems than TH-camrs these days
And all because of Harley
They are their own worst enemy
Lifestyle brand instead of a motorcycle brand.
Actually I heard on the news they did pretty good this summer with sales and are on the upswing now.
@@1mchartmann Pretty much every brand did. A lot of people who didn't have licences got those because people don't trust public transport. Used car market has also been hotter than in years. Same with RV's and campers.
@@1mchartmann My local dealer for every brand used to have 30-40 bikes out front, now they are lucky to have 5, they cant keep anything in stock, and people are asking $5k for a ninja 300
I'm So Glad You said that Regarding HD and MDB as Too Many TH-camrs are Riding the DRAMA TRAIN..Yes We All Like MDB mostly and No Use Getting the Shits with HD as It Doesn't Change my Perception on Riding. Awesome Vlogs Shadetree,,Keep it up.
The first realistic view of corporate HD and the Bogan controversy.
Nah,,I've been saint it for Weeks..Lol,,The DRAMA TRAIN TH-camrs..Pathetic..
Guess I'm out of the loop
What happened with bogan?
Yes! Corporations do what corporations do... period.
This is the first sane reaction to the HD vs MDB thing I've heard. I'm also questioning reality because I just implied that Shadetree is sane, but that's the world we live in.
Agree...
Honda did the same thing. Anybody remember the “ you meet the nicest people on a Honda”.
Well that about sums that up!
Me like most vets ride for mental health reasons as well.
On a side note PTSD sux!
Be safe out there they are trying to kill us! 😂😬😂
As a fellow Vet, I ride for the same reason. Stay safe out there. Bugs in my teeth is the best mental health therapy.
....with the inevitable result being an Evo-Gold Barge?
Thank you both for your service
@@TheWolfsnack Workin with a v star 1300 right now. Want something bigger
Riding has done more for my wellbeing than the VA has. Ride safe and keep up the fight.
3:48 Flip Na for POTUS.
1. Rides bike that saves the planet
2. Gets someone else to make the loud motorcycle noises
3. Gets the noisy person to carry his stuff
Anyone able to achieve these objectives, could easily run the 🇺🇸. Probably the 🌎.
Shadetree for Vice?
😃😃👍🇬🇧
I've only owned a vintage HD because I'm poor
Brother I own a 83 lowrider and a 15 fatboy and I get more joy out of the 83 death trap shovel that doesn’t always like to start and makes my leg sore. But when it comes alive it’s hard to beat.
@Addicus Taylor Its a 94 sportster... never had any serious issues
@Addicus Taylor My vintage motorcycles are worth more everyday I own them. Can’t say that about that poor sap who bought that dead wire and now wants to trade it in! Basically he’s totally screwed in terms of resale and trade in value. Even the dealers can’t sell those novelty items called live wire.
I have a 78 ironhead that I love to ride it but it a lotta up keep my 06 harley is get on and ride
I agree with you in part. I discovered MDB because of the controversy and really do enjoy his content. I think the real issue is how HD interjected themselves into a very personal relationship MDB, his local dealership and the TH-cam community he shared it with. HD could've been indifferent about what others think about them just as you are. Instead, they chose to impart their will on a relationship for the sake of those that were not party to the relationship.
exactly and they are more worried about the feelings of SJW professional cry babies who probably don't ride than the audience who do and like the MDB vlogs
I ride what i like. HD motorcycles are sexy a f**k. Screw the image, ride and enjoy life.
I bought my 1996 fatboy because when I was young i saw T2 and said one day I will own one. Its cool to me thats what matters.
They ALWAYS do this.. this is their style. has been since the 80s. They do it to their employees, they also like to fire temp employees on day 89 because they have to hire after day 90, only to replace with new temps. Aka "club 89". Wash rinse and repeat.. They do it to their customers all the same. They Void warranty for mods they themselves sell, they blame customers for design flaws when it kills them. Hell they even do it in many of their ad campaigns. In short, I'm a Milwaukee native. There are 2 camps in the "I don't like HD" minds. One doesn't like them because they don't like their products. The other has no problem with their products but won't ride one because of their corporate attitude, actions and experience.
They Dog MDB, but they sure love Katy Perry and Jason mamoa....
All this is why many were very happy when another American option came about , for better or worse.
Welcome.
#HDkoolaid
Cheers.
Exactly this. A friend who has been a lifelong Harley fan and up until last year bought nothing but Harley’s for 20yrs, purchases an original Low Rider S (to keep his XR1200X company). He’s not a thrasher, only HD official dealers were allowed to touch it. It had a full service history. Two weeks out of warrantee the cam chain tensioner let go and it took the crank with it, snapping it. HD wouldn’t help at all. His dealer stepped up and gave him the parts at cost and did a bit of a deal on labour. It still cost him $4k. He rides KTM now...
@@hollowaysteve I have 3 shops in my area who each employ around 20 folks full-time to rectify exactly what you highlight. They also address factory bent cranks with unacceptable run out, and for broken pressed together cranks they offer a welding service. HD has always known it's an issue and did next to nothing about it year after year after year..
Matt Huber Just look at the twin cam88 debacle. It’s a poor quality, cheaply made item sold at a premium price and they’re still doing it. It’s a shame. I’m not anti HD (I had an XR1200X and they’re bullet proof) but I am anti HD corp. the big blocks are made cheaply. (Can’t comment on the latest Milwaukee 8 engine but the rest of the bike is cheap). The dealers are the only thing keeping any of the HD reputation intact. I don’t know how long that can last.
@@hollowaysteve yup yup..
They knew exactly what was wrong, how to fix the cam shoes that wore prematurely, best case, failed worst case. again, they did nothing for years but they sure made good money selling cam tension shoes!
Don't even get started on failing brakes clutches and sometimes fatal frame/swing arm failures. (That they knew about and blamed on customers..I'm also not anti HD. I call my stance on them, "though love" as I mentioned my area before, HD and the aftermarket employs so many in my area, from small coating shops, to multi hundred person factories. I'd much prefer them to do well, than burn them self's down.
Shadetree you have a great and open relationship with Bert's HD. I am interested if he would be prepared for you to broadcast a video of him discussing the use of third party tuners and how to disable the safety systems on a CVO. I would also be interested if this would violate his dealer agreement? This is where MDB went wrong. Nothing to do with PC or otherwise. Keep up the great content from the three of you.
Very interesting point of view on MDB, well spoken. I do personally feel HD goofed up with the MDB situation though, they've turned a non issue into something negative for them, in a time when they really don't need any negative press going on.
Watching what's going on with Harley is kinda like watching a slow motion multi car collision where you're trying to identify the pieces flying through the air. It's horrifying but you can't stop watching it.
And there's nothing you can do to stop it happening either.
BINGO. If HD just left it alone or didn't make as big of a deal out of it as they did, most of us would probably have never known. They brought a flamethrower to start a grill.
I’m no fan of “cancel culture” or the level of political correctness these days but that’s not to say that the PC movement didn’t come from a need to help old straight white guys understand that what they may consider a “non issue” is in fact an issue!
@@particleinthewave8378 Agreed. We need more understanding. I don't care who you are, as long as you're a good person and riding. We can't all agree on everything, it's not human nature. As long as we're "Be excellent to each other," everybody wins.
Agree.
I want to point out an extremely small footnote you said right before the video ended, but it rang so true with me. I also ride for a mental and emotional health reasons. Getting my motorcycle license, learning to ride, and getting over my fears was a testament to me kicking my severe panic disorder, anxiety, and depression in the ass. I always wanted to ride but my mind would not let me. May of this year, I passed the MSF and a week later I bought a 2017 Street Bob. I can't tell you how good it feels to say "Fuck you anxiety, I told you no, and won't let you ruin what I WANT to do."
Absolutely brilliant, one of the best rants I've ever had the pleasure to listen to. Very clever stuff.
Well said. The pressure on Geelong HD is what most of us are pissed about. But, we don't know if they had requested MDB to stop and then escalated to Geelong. Also, we are tired of the P.C. culture in general. Good Vlog Shadetree Surgeon!
totally agree, and HD shouldn't panda to the 0.5% to the professional complainers on the internet
Great video mate. Finally someone speaking out about HD selling an image and people buying into it. One thing that is not discussed about why MDB stopped releasing videos is that the state in Australia that he lives in (Victoria, Australia) is in one of the strictest lock downs in the world. Once HD stopped MDB from producing videos in Geelong Harley. This prevented him from making content that is of the standards we are used to seeing from Danny. I am sure once the lockdowns are eased, MDB will have loads of content coming to us once again.
Thanks man, and honestly... every motorcycle manufacturer does it
@@shadetreesurgeon Absolutely. Look at Hondas old slogan "You meet the nicest people on a Honda". I have a Honda CB125E in the garage so they could almost be done retrospectively for false advertising
@@RoadsOfOz many years ago in Sydney Australia a Radio DJ did a live read for a Honda commercial, "... get something red hot and throbbing between your legs, ride a Honda" or similar wording. Probably 45 years later I still chuckle at it .thenewdaily.com.au/entertainment/people-entertainment/2019/08/31/ward-austin-radio-sydney/
MDB while a fellow Aussie, seems a nice bloke, is entertaining, boasts about his self-made fortune (which I congratulate him for achieving; self-made people --- respect), sticks his head where it sometimes should not be stuck, and may have caused Colin to come into the spotlight. So maybe Daniel needs a little reality check too, for the benefit of the people around him.
That didn’t come across when he made that vid stating he’s basically had enough of HD and isn’t gonna make any TH-cam vids any longer. He basically threw his toys out the pram due to them protecting the brand, rightly or wrongly.
"if I enjoy it. I'm gonna do it."
Extremely foreboding words from a certified Florida Man
Damb straight, Harley is cool but not the end all be all. I've had Harley and Triumph. And Kawasaki and Suzuki and my fav Honda vtx 1800. Ride what you like. Then ride them all. Get a background to judge, not just a narrow opinion
Sunday morning wake and bake with Shadetree is a good thing. 😁
I knew I wasn't the only one lol
One of us one of us one of us
Hell yeah we are here!
You gotta take a 'safety meeting' Wednesday morning too
Shadetree surgeon makes sense of a non-sensical situation....wait....what??? Seriously this is the most constructive and honest point of view of the while MDB situ. MDB really needs to just go for a long ride, catch up for a cold one with some mates and enjoy his bike...
My boi out here lookin like discount Wolverine xD
love the vids keep it up man!
Quarantine was hard on wolverine too 😂
When you buy Wolverine off wish.com
Great value vs name brand
@@shadetreesurgeon hahahaha hey I'm not saying it's a bad thing
Honestly the most intelligent response I’ve seen to all this corporate complaining and youtubers acting entitled to anything.
Hell I work on and build AMF Harley's. My favorite bikes were made by a bowling ball company. The Easter Bunny thing. That's pushing it.
My dad worked for AMF in the 60s with their orbitread tire retreading machine. He worked with a German electromechanical engineer, who my dad claimed, ended up being the guy that told the AMF board to buy HD so that the brand didn't disappear. A German, telling AMF to "not let such an American icon die". The AMF years for HD may not be the best, but maybe some interesting history.
I hear you dude. I love the Harley I own but I am not against other bikes, I like what I buy and I buy what I like. I too just want more people on motorcycles and have a reputation for sniffing out anyone who has had just a passing thought at some point in their life of owning a motorcycle and feeding that thought until they fulfil their motorcycle riding potential. Be that on a Harley or otherwise.
I own my Suzuki Bandit for similar reasons too, they’re easy to work on, parts are common and cheap and they are hardy machines. Stay safe man.
I love my Harley a great deal however i removed the brand name from my tank because that’s the look I like and it’s my bike not Harleys! That being said Shadetree I really hope to drink some cold beverages and have some laughs with you some day your show is awesome thanks for good times and as you’d say keep it weird.
Love how you like what you like and care about what people think. And that you're comfortable with that. Right on
Love your analysis Josh! One of the best online "rants" I've seen! More than a machine commercial was awesome!!! Better than the Jason Mammoa things! It was really cool seeing you ride down town on the FXR. Take the Goldwing over there.
Ah! My man Shadetree with some words of wisdom. If its got two wheels and makes you happy, doesn't matter what it says on the side.
Shade tree surgeon, I think you need to lecture the executives at Harley Davidson on how capitalism works. They certainly priced me out and now our local Mega Harley-Davidson dealership is shut down out of business. Sad but true
How the hell do they expect someone to buy a motorcycle for $40,000 that cost them less than 10,000 to build?
I agree, I just want a motorcycle payment not a house payment. Not to mention that some of the new bikes have that technology were just runs on one cylinder at the traffic light
@@friendlyneighborhoodbikeme8535 same here in my town...closed it down...but they sucked anyway...shop and parts were rock bottom skill wise.
@@jerryhughes6844 You have to engage parade mode in order for it to work on one cylinder, it's not automatic.
Been missing the rant videos! Keep it up. The chuckles are needed.
It happens and people get over it. I'm an example . When Harley outsourced its first overseas part I was like nope I will no longer buy a new Harley and I am sticking to the old ones. I bought a new one later. They did it again and I said nope I am done with new ones for sure .... Bought another new one. Just have to accept change will always happen and your either going to ride the wave or fall off
I stopped at Evo's. Haven't wanted or bought a new Harley since '89. Any time I want a new scoot to ride. I build a new one then ride the wheels off of it. What got me was how they jacked the price when all the rubs started buying 'em
@@johnalbright8093 I currently have a 16 RG and I'll probably stop there unless I get a Tri-Glide . Copd getting the best of me lol
THANKYOU! Your level headedness about the MDB situation is exactly how I felt!!
Imagine being so optimistic to think HD will be around 40 years from now lol.
They will. But they'll either be Chinese owned OR they'll stop selling bikes and settle on selling just t-shirts.
Thank goodness someone has the nerve to tell the truth. I have a Harley-Davidson because I love my Harley-Davidson. Corporate America has but one purpose, to make money and if you think they’re concerned about any one individual, your sadly mistaken. Love your honesty. Keep it coming. People need to quit taking life so seriously and just enjoy it,,,,, on a motorcycle.
Wait you mean my Harley doesn't make me a rebel outlaw😫. Ha ha just kidding, love the video as always and I agree with you 100%.
Harleys are like a piece of art now
In 1987 I bought a chopped 55 Panhead with a 6" over wide glide front end. This thing was such a pile it made Barf Party look a like state of the art reliability and beauty. I LOVED IT for over ten years! I miss My old Pan so much. I only sold it because I needed money for the down on a house!
Your reactive soliloquies are always emotionally and vocally gymnastic...and very entertaining! They remind me of a scene in a Steve Martin movie/comedy where Steve played the part of Cyrano de Bergerac. In that movie, there is a scene where Steve/Cyrano verbally dresses down a bully making fun of Steve/Cyrano’s noticeably large nose! Brilliantly funny! If you have not seen it, I think you might enjoy that movie!
You are referring to "Roxanne"...
@@youmustbethistall5861 yes...great Steve Martin movie!
I lived in Bradenton for 35 years but we moved to southeast Alabama and sold the Florida house. I live in a small farm area now and it is great motorcycle country and have rode more in a year than I did in Florida in the last 10 years. With all the cash I made on the sale of my Florida house I bought a better house for cash on a huge lot built a new shop bought three more Harley's and still have cash in the bank. I remember those old commercials I still have a 72 FLH but I have never bought a new bike my newest bike was a 2002 FLSTC I bought last year and sold it and my 01 FLHRCI and bought a 98 FLSTF. The only non Harley Davidson bikes i had was a 46 and a 48 Indian Chief back in the 70's and early 80's. Good video. .
I love MDB videos! But the real question is, where the hell is John Maxwell?
To much work not enough time for videos. He wanted to be a small business owner! Be careful what you ask for!! I called to make an appointment wanted to get him to work on my bike we got interrupted,he took down my number and still have not received a call back!! Too late now the work is done!!!
John's running his buiness.
Great video Shade tree. Good to see a different perspective on the MDB vs HD. I was initially drawn into WTF are HD doing but a few folks like yourself have pointed out that HD are not here to pander to us and our right on, rebel without a cause bull, they are there to sell motorcycles period. I get that. Thanks STS
I loved this vid and I’m one of the guys who made a vid pissed at HD! Great thoughts and I enjoy the comments! Now I’m gonna go look for a left handed Lesbian Eskimo Midget and see if they wanna get nasty with me!!!
I couldn't agree more with your thoughts and commentary on HD corporate vs MDB; too many others taking it personally and making it into a bigger deal than it really is. Thanks for your down to earth realistic attitude.
I can absolutely appreciate your position for sure.
Thank you for injecting a dose of truth into the MDB discussion. Accurate and to the point.
I think the whole Harley vs MDB thing is jist a sign of the times. They made alot of gay jokes and stuff like that. Some people are quick to be offended, and Harley, just like any other company, wants to protect their image. I miss the MBD videos, but understand why Harley would not want that kind of publicity.
Thumbs up for Harley wanting to protect their gay image.
The people Harley is afraid to offend don’t buy their bikes anyway. They should be worried about pissing off their customers which is what they did.
Shadetree, I gave you a thumbs up & always do.
I hadn`t heard you say "more of us on 2 wheels/less of them" lately, so there`s that.
I hope we get to meet one day & maybe ride, but I am a left handed midget lesbian Eskimo.
I noticed you stayed away from the crux of the biscuit & instead made it about "corporate"
but it isn`t.
The rallying cry is about some self serving right wing hate spew they seem justified in.
They believe they have some RIGHT to be purposely offensive to hurt & incite violence,
by shaming, name calling.
Sure, among friends we take liberties & make fun, but when it`s not among friends & it`s not good natured then it`s not fun & can be downright dangerous.
You managed to OMIT ALL OF THAT.
I didn`t see the controversial bogen vid.
I`ve only ever seen a few of his & stopped watching after he CONTRIVED a Harley DROWNING
in the surf.
What PUTZ doesn`t know BETTER than to put a 900 lb bike in SOFT SAND?
(As the TIDE COMES IN, NO LESS?)
I mean, talk about your click baiting!
The "right" likes to turn good words into bad.
Like LIBERAL
(Means MANY)
The opposite being MONO
(One, monarch, tyrant, dictator, king)
Liberal gives you the RIGHT to VOTE & CHOOSE,
to be INNOCENT until proven otherwise by a Jury of your PEERS.
Political correctness is only a matter of being fair, polite, kind & keeping the peace.
The jackasses making a big deal about their "right" not to?
Probably deserve a beat down to keep their mouth shut & sadly, that`s where we are at.
You didn`t address ANY of that, really & IMO you copped out!
Should have just left it alone, but don`t expect a lesbian midget Eskimo on an Ironhead to!
Omg you just ruined my day. How can you tell me that the Easter Bunny's not real 😑🤣🤣🤣
Considering this is one of my son's (5) favorite channels, I had to tell him that he was just kidding about that part... 😬
Can we just take a moment and appreciate that this man takes the time to go through all of his comments and actually reads and likes them
The Harley enthusiast is a double edged sword for HD: on one hand they will buy the Harley no matter what. The competition could have a cheaper bike that's more reliable with better performance specs and the Harley loyalist is not even going to consider it. On the other hand people like that start to take a sort of "ownership" in anything and everything HD does, because they believe HD is selling them a culture as much as a product. So HD does risk upsetting those loyalists with run of the mill business decisions that if they were coming from Yamaha would piss off zero Yamaha riders.
You're right. Imagine a V4 balanced crank 1200cc fuckin buell lightning with a 240 rear. Goddamn. Fuck it I'm building one.
Dude, i’m so glad that angry shadetree just got back to spit its understanding of the world to good thinking rest of us. First reason i ever hanged out around here. Love u man!
This is so refreshing as a Aussie rider I'm sick of all the Harley Davidson bashing over the MDB bs and I feel the same as you. At the end of the day MDB got a smack from daddy HD corporate he just needs to suck it up and get on with it
I don't think it's a PC issue. I think it has more to do with him lying to police, crossing borders illegally and putting it all on TH-cam. He also talked about how his dealership cut the wires on his traction control (which could get them sued) and then said Harley had a big problem with their traction control when they really don't. He modified the bike with a cam and aftermarket tuner. The traction control was doing what it was supposed to do.
He said a lot of things in that video that could get HD and the dealership in trouble.
I think the PC idea was just a good excuse or final straw for HD to step in.
@@shooter-vx7xy yes I think the same but that video is still up the non PC vid is taken down
Love your content I love all bikes my uncle was old school and taught me to appreciate them in all there splendid glory it never made him think about brands he just loved the RIDE.
Love playing the will it start game! Had to play that a few times over the years with some of my own cars and bikes haha!
Its highly addictive
What can we say, we just love to roll the dice
My first bike had a "startup procedure" to get it to reliably light off. Old Honda but finicky like a British bike 😂. 1. Twist throttle to squirt the accelerator pump. 2. Choke (not enricher circuit!) 3. Pray 4. Crank. You got 3 tries before the starter overheated and then you got to wait for 30 minutes
I was close friends with the local Harley-Davidson dealership owner. Back in the 80s He walked out to my bike with me when I was leaving because we were still talking about our favorite hobby which was not motorcycles I put the key in my hot rod Sportster that I was riding at the time and as soon as I turn the switch on the motor fired up never touch the starter. The owner of the shop is laughing he's saying I have never seen that happen before you have got that bike alive. It just wants to go.
To be fair that is the one and only time that it started in that manner.
They were inside the dealership, using a garage door opener, trying this new fangled idea called remote start. After nearly giving a couple guys a heart attack, they decided it was legally to risky. Lol, sorry couldn't help myself.
I just love hearing your voice 😂 seriously makes me want to buy jankier bikes just for fun
You have more fun on crappy bikes!
yeah, these videos make me want to go straight to craigslist. Not sure a harley can tickle my pickle as much as much as my dirt cheap vtx 1800.
I bought a janky 1996 dyna super glide. Also have a perfect road glide. Dyna is way more fun. Road glide is TOO reliable to be fun.
Amen brother. You’ve voiced my own opinions of the whole MDB situation perfectly and more elegantly than I ever could. Thanks man.
“This whole bike is unnecessary”
If it dies rebuild it
I've noticed that some cage manufacturers have been putting some type if Vtwin in their commercials almost as if to to say "we're badass too". I grew up around motorcycles because where I live there was no dealer until about 79. My neighbors worked on all types of bikes including the local police bikes. I just love the sound and the shake of a Harley.
I love capitalism!
"I just like bikes man" that is the key sentence right there. I love them and will always have one in my garage, cheers, 😎😎😎
The “get a real bike” guys really just ruin Harley. They’re just old fat ego riders who look angry when they ride. It really turned me away from Harleys for a long time, but then I realized if I didn’t get a Harley just because of them I’d be no different than the ego riders. Sold the r6 and got a dyna and Fell in love immediately, looking the get a bagger for longer rides and another sport bike for when I feel the need, the need for speed. Till then I’ll continue to ride around with a huge grin on the dyna. Great video keep it up 👍
You are absolutely right. The biker image Harley adopted and promoted for so many years is a HUGE negative now in terms of reaching new buyers. It has to distance itself from the bearded, misogynistic pretend outlaw shit or it will die.
It’s strange and at the same time funny how often people these days have to state the obvious/logical/rational and regroup the masses to some semblance of rational thinking . And you did it very well here Shadetree. Advertising and marketing is just that! All a ploy to make money, as in, the American way. Thanks man. 👍
I play this game with my dirt bike.
Me too hahah
Thank you very much for setting everyone straight. Especially for just telling the truth. I’m the same way, I just love to ride, and to me that’s all that matters. I have a Harley-Davidson as well as a Kawasaki KLR 650 two different bikes for different styles of riding.
I seriously respect you for bucking the trend and speaking your mind. Now that’s a rebel.
Duckman out.
What did the Harley Davidson say to the drunk Irishman?
Potato potato potato potato potato potato potato......
Dig the old Harley !!! Davison that is !!!
A lot of people find there identity in things like this and when something about that perceived identity changes it’s jarring. That’s the problem with building your house on sand when the rains come the house crumbles.
MDB has posted several things that align with his right wing politics including attacking his own government for requiring masks ..
If you don't want a company to draw a line in the sand maybe talk more about motorcycles and keep your political leanings or prejudices out of the equation .
I think he knew that some of his content was going to adversely affect the Dealership which was an innocent party in this debacle .
Now he wants to whine about the outcome he got ?
Give me a break 🤣
Ask any person on the street if they “know what Harley did to MDB”
Also, the 80’s ad was dope. Makes you want to be part of a crew. I’ll be buying Harleys for many years to come. New only. I’m 29 and just bought my first back in Feb. The 2020 LRS.
Harley has the freedom to be PC as I have the freedom to trade my hog for a BMW R18 and enjoy freedom from being PC.
Yeah I think I am getting a Yamaha next
Totally agree with why you own a harley, being able to work on it yourself, parts, customisation and sound. All why I want a pre-softail Harley, traditional air cooled engines ftw
Criminals (sons of anarchy) riding HD motorcycles - good
Positive and free of charge ambassadors for the brand - no good
Got it
Did HD endorse the TV show?
@@neodutch Did HD distance themselves from the tv show?
Can’t remember the season but when the SOA started riding the Baggers it was done in conjunction with a relationship with HD according to Kurt Sutter....
@@stephentaylor3787 That's because they didn't. Most rode Dynas up until the end.
@@neodutch so Kurt Sutter doesn’t know what he is talking about? He has said in numerous interviews that the show had a relationship with HD during the middle seasons........
I bought my first Harley because it was loud and fast. It was a 1975 xlh1000 .
Now I have a 2016 Triglide and I love my lazy boy recliner with wheels. That has a great stereo system and gps and cruise control
Great! You nailed it (again)!
Your sense of humor and intelligence is always rewarding for us, viewers.
Congrats fom Brazil.
I just parked my 1983 FXWG after a little ride. Good insight on this. I ride my Harley Davidson because I like it. I liked all the motorcycles I ever owned in my 67 years. Keep two wheels upright!
A man who understands the definition of a corporation , refreshing Shadetree.
Putting a bike together for my daughter. 1996 Honda Shadow VLX 600. She and I set and watch your channel every week!!
I love it when you ride the HUFFY. You are always funnier imo. I don’t care what you or anybody else rides, I love riding. Cheers.🍻
The more videos I watch the more I grow to like and respect your opinions. Keep it up!
Well said Josh. Stop drinking the Kool-aid people and ride what you like.
Finally, a voice of reason regarding MDB!
You’re one of the most consistently interesting TH-camrs, my dude. Keep it up 🤙🏾
Brother, you hit the nail on the head! Ride the damn bike, screw what everyone else thinks. Love the bike, not on what someone thinks or what some company is doing. This is why I enjoy your content...because you’re so “biased” on not being biased, lol! Ride safe brother
Im getting into them because of you, I've been riding for 25 years starting off on dirtbikes as a kid. I'm saving up for a road glide
Hey Shadetree,, we are here in Okla. City and have been out of power for a few days so I'm catching up on your cool videos on my wife's phone because we are still without internet. Gotta do what I gotta do to keep watching. And LOVE The Bogan.
No clue about what drama is going on but you’re one of the most eloquent speakers I know.
Totally agree. The only thing that bothers me about harley is all the discussions they make that seem to lower their profitability. Personally its stuff like not sticking with and modernizing the XR1200 (the ftr before its time), dumping Buell (I still want an 1125cr) and now canceling the Bronx (I guess my next bike will be the new MT09, better, cheaper, and it exists)...Oh and that got a bit dark at the end. Hope you are doing well
Glad to finally hear your opinion on this one. I personally think HD made a big deal out of it because he criticized the traction control system in his last video.
That was pretty good Josh.
It really doesn't matter what you ride or what anyone thinks. Just as long as it's what you like, it has 2 wheels, upright and pointed down the road. I like older models too.👊✌😎
At about 16 minutes in; and you can remove and replace spark plugs with a 6 inch adjustable wrench, and rebuild the top end on the engine and rebuild the transmission without pulling them. Yes, compared to many other bike they are super easy to work on even if HD is trying to change that in some later models.
I tell all my friends and fellow mechanics at work, that fixing my Harley bikes are almost as simple as working on my lawnmower. I truly believe they are great simple machines, and that is why I own and ride them.
::: Waves ::: Gotta agree even if it does stick in my craw. My first ride on a Harley was back in 1953, been a devotee ever since. What hurts is that our loyalty to the brand means squat anymore. We come in all shapes, sizes and genders. Stuck with them thru thick and thin. The issue is about accepting those who back HD day to day and not just quarterly. Ride safe, be well.
The mistake everyone makes is to take a polarized response. I’m a social worker and you never have a impact by shutting someone down. The only way we grow together is to learn together. Harley should take the opportunity to create space for conversations, for Harley lovers of different generations to talk and find common ground. No one learns by being told “No”...Response “what?” “Why?” “F you!” Lol one extreme is just as bad as the other. Come together 😉
Hey you stopped and ate at my Restaurant! Glad you went there. It's good to know I have a restaurant in FL. LOL! I'll have to eat there on my trip to FL in December.
Think they already sold everything possible with the HD logo on it including pink whatever.