The shift that made illegal mass migration acceptable needs to change. The idea that Europe, and North America needs to be a catch all at the detriment of it’s citizens is totally absurd. The growing resentment and anger over unaffordable housing, food etc will only grow and rightly so.
@allanblack "The shift that made illegal mass migration acceptable needs to ..." Why "rightly so" ? It's up to the leaders of northern African and Middle Eastern countries to properly administer their economies and countries, not to those countries which won't tolerate anything less of their leaders.
Young Europeans can’t afford to raise kids in Europe and Young Americans can’t afford to raise kids I. America. The immigration just makes it harder for young Europeans to live in Europe.
Young American women and European women are busy selling themselves on tiktok and Instagram, busy chasing careers until they're 35 and can't get pregnant. Feminism is eating the west from inside
Immigration isn't a problem. Considering the numbers, it is still really tiny part in the problem. Yes, 200l may sound terrible at first, but when you consider the huge amount of people in the country, it is a small number. I'm not saying the government is right in their policies. I'm just saying we can't blame immigrant on the decision of our elites and making our life worse.
Exactly,Thatchers Droogs,Stopped Government Industrial and Other Decent Training Schemes Forty Years Ago so did most companies. In favour of importing forieghn labour. @@OnFeature
Tell Europe to leave Africa and African resources alone. Europe is built on genocides and looting of African resources. Today France refuses to leave Africa even after bieng kicked out, it's still trying to loot African resources, because without African resources, it's economy can shrink to a 3rd world economy.
They should be sent back, the boats confiscated and the smugglers prosecuted as this will only lead to further chaos and a disregard for international borders. People should be able to apply for asylum from their country of origin if necessary.
Do I have to remember that the only reason Europe developed over the years, is Europe ripping apart Africa! We need to adapt to migration by letting go to our European history and start learning the African way of life!
@@giambi1980 no thank you. The African way of live is poverty, over breeding, lack of education, constant tribal violence, criminality, bad parenting, just all bad things humans can come up with. If you want the African way, go and live there. We Europeans prefer what made us strong: KNOWLEDGE AND EDUCATION. Get that into your little victim crybaby brain.
I don't agree. And I doubt you would be able to substantiate your assertion with statistical, unemotional, unbiased facts. All my grandparents were immigrants, grateful to live in a country where they had security and the ability to be entrepreneurial. They were all hardworking and never took a dime from welfare. I'm so grateful for the opportunities they provided for my parents and me. Most immigrants bring fresh energy and ideas to their new home country. If you want to talk about welfare, look at the big corporations and all the subsidies and tax breaks they get. We finance them with our hard-earned money.
@@lisabluecurls Different era from your grandparents to todays society. Your Grandparents & parents knew what respect was. You also said they worked hard and didnt receive any hand-outs. Todays society, believes everything should be given to them.
@@joeangus7473 I'm from SRI LANKA and i'm a graduate engineer in my country. If you offer me citizenship in Europe, I would willingly contribute the development of your society. I am an eligible candidate for subclass 476 Austrailia and wish to move there next year.
If they are supposed to claim asylum in the first safe country, then they should not be allowed to claim asylum in the UK. They do not have a right to asylum here, as they pass through safe countries en route here.
Do the australian method. Its tried and tested. The illegals would have to be sent back. There should be no crossings at all. Find a third country to deal with applications.
It's true that works for them. But they are their own continent, and have no border lands sharing with them. And they also have quite a bit of water between them and the next country/continent, and it def helps to ease the worry of illegals coming in.
@@ronnie5329No one seems to be saying what they are really thinking - that a lot of the illegal migration is for economic rather than refuge reasons. The public won't support a system that they believe is bring taken advantage of.
@@JayNomad and what will a Republican do? Where is the wall trump promised, he was there for 4 years. When are people going to realize that all mainstream parties are behind this scheme
They may feel frustrated but they are not desperate at home. It’s the lower middle class who are migrating. They have more resources than most in their countries. The cost of these journeys is easily €15-20k
About aging population, European Governments can provide more incentives for people to get married and have children instead of spending money trying to get permanent residence to all the illegal immigrants that could end up being more of a burden than an asset. To fill in working force gaps governments could look at providing temporary working visas to people meeting job requirements.
@@zen1647 Europe is a left wing experiment, The Spectator TV does a good piece on it.. Europe needs people who will integrate and contribute. Europe will swing to the right soon, after some incident or other, just watch. It does seem easier to promote marriage and children from the indigenous population, and Sweden has done this, but i has kind of backfired.
One minute they are telling us AI and automation are going to massively disrupt the job market, the next they say Europe needs to import tens of millions outsiders to maintain their standard of living. As if any of these uneducated and unskilled orcs are going to be future doctors and lawyers 🤦🏼♂️
Even with incentives to have more babies, it is not working. They tried that in Japan and didn't work. It's the mindset that young people are having. Young ladies want to enjoy life and progress through their careers and then when they reach 40 they start to think about having a family. You have to change this mindset then maybe things will change.
@@plung3r I was raised by my grand parents, so perhaps incentives to both parents and grand parents could work or even nurseries funded by the state and promoting nurseries at vacation places.
Every time someone says we have workforce shortage. All I hear is "I want to pay my workers less", I can recruit you as much workers as you need you just need to give me budget to do so. Guess importing workers from Africa is cheaper, it was this way for hundreds of years.
@@mickeydodds1 The globalists such as Hillary Rodham Clinton "nuked" the Midwest "flyover country" of the U. S. A. by shielding industrialists from having to invest to counter the cheap Japanese car imports with higher gas mileage originating with Saudi Arabia's Oil Embargo of 1973 and Iranian Revolution of 1979 increasing oil prices greatly. Detroit was ruined by design. The American Civil War was fought primarily because the slave-holding South wouldn't share its cheap slaves with the North industrializing rapidly needing cheap labor. The South was hogging the cheap labor.
Rigging the global socio-economic order for the sole benefit of the west and the elites but refuse to deal with the after effects and consequences of their policies isn't sustainable anymore
Indeed and these left wing politicians see these asylum seekers as "new voters". It's rubbish that we need these asylum seekers from Africa as workers. We can ask other Europeans to come to work by us like Poles, Romanians, etc. From East-Europe. We don't need those asylum seekers from Africa and the middle east because they don't want to integrate and don't respect our culture and values, luckily not every asylum seeker is like that but many are.
We give example of humanity of Western countries. Slovenia are great people, Italians are great people, Bosnians are great people, Albanains are great people, Spanish are good, Portuguese are great people. Now come to worst, Bulgharians, Greece, Macedonian, Croatian, French, Germans, Polish, Swedish, Norwegians. Jokes a part all are good who die in next second.
@@ASKstrive Albanians 😅😂 your having a laugh mate … they are the most deadly and dangerous species to ever exist, there are more Albanians in British prisons than there are in Albanian ones 😮
How would you feel if suddenly a whole family without your permission moved into your house and you were obliged to feed them and provide clothing even if it meant your family being deprived of things. If you and your family agree to help people in need temporarily and that will not become a burden, then I guess that it will be OK.
I suppose they would be in their rights if you went to there house took half them away and made them into slaves for hundreds of years and then continued to strip their house bare.
@@gbrown9694 Many of those who were enslaved many years ago, today they enjoy a much higher standard of living in Western Countries than those who remained in Africa. Most likely ascendants of those illegal immigrants coming from Africa today were not slaves. There is no legal resolution by any international court that any one living today is obliged to pay any money for what their great grand parents did. All of the people living today would not exist had it not been for the events that happened in the past. If your brother or sister committed any wrong doing, you are not responsible to ask forgiveness for their acts unless it can be proved you had the means to control them and you instructed them to do something wrong.
@@gmoevallejo your missing the point. Their homelands have been decimated by coups, exploitation, military intervention and a complete lack of development when they were under the colonial powers. They should have been made right. They wasn’t. This is the consequence of that.
@@gbrown9694 Before 1950 South Korea was poor and a land of peasants, and after the war in 1953 South Korea economy was reduced to ashes and it's population did not emigrate., but they were free people and today is one of the countries in world with the higher standard of living. Most African countries are no longer controlled by any colonialists so they are free to choose their destiny. African countries can work hard and build strong economies as South Korea did.
How exactly would the navy do that? Last I check gunning down loads of homeless people including women and children on small rubber dinghy is considered a crime against humanity or some such. Also against international law if they happen to be on international waters. Do you have a specific idea in mind?
The navy doesn’t want anything to do with it and the RNLI are running a taxi service for them they know they only have to reach British waters and they will get picked up
They take loans from organised crime rings that run the whole thing, up to 50 k (u.s dollars) which they have to repay regardless of they get to stay in whatever country they want to live in.. We are currently fueling gangs/organised crime due to us allowing illegal immigration.
Politicians are the ones behind the migration crisis so it is futile to wait for a solution from them. I they had cared at all, they would not let this happen at first place. Take Meloni for example. She accuses EU, France and Germany for not taking the immigrants, but I ask why she didn't task Italian navy to block these boats from the very beginning.
This has very little to do with cimate change. Overpopulation and accontability the biggest proble Do not overcomplicate the issue....food parcell, enough water, fuel for the boat and return them immediately on arrival.
Yeah! It have nothing to do with climate change and have all to do with economics. But don't get surprised if immigrants will start using that as an excuse. And from a political perspective sad "climate change" stories will become a tool for the left.
It’s a massive guilt trip, not of our making… It appears the world leaders want United Nations everywhere, with not societal identification. Everyone bleeds together.
why is everything blamed on climate change? the first thing the woman mentions is climate change making it sound like thats the #1 reason for the migration and she doesnt even go further into explaining it. while she explains the other two reasoning. sound like she is one of those ppl that jst starts every debate wit climate change
Not with climate change - but by over and over brainwashing us, that must are guilty of the immigrants to come, therefore we must accept them and finance each and every one of them for the next 60 years. They never talk about birth control in Africa right?? Never talk about tribal warfare there, right? Never talk about extremely bad parenting skills of African population … and so on and so on. They do not realize that after 50 years of this brainwash we are absolutely immune to it.
Why is it so easy for traffickers to operate under the countries they left? Everyone is exploiting the "Human Rights" law. lets start breaking taboos, please
Once upon a time there were a lot of vacant apartment buildings in my city. Politicians encouraged people from Puerto Rico to move here. They were promised government paid housing, free food and medical. They even gave them money to buy new furniture. Today they are a majority and over 50% live on benefits. And, because they breed a lot they overwhelmed the two adjoining cities and became a majority there too with most on assistance. It could be an example of what the whole of Europe will look like.
@@clo5671 Massachusetts. Oh, and I forgot that 2 of the cities are in the top 100 in the country for violent crime. One of them was in the top 10 best small cities in the country to live in the mid 80s.
A legal solution would be to send those who are not genuine asylum seekers and who are obviously not interested in respecting women, respecting our social inclusiveness of people with any sexual orientation, cleanliness and non violence to better countries than their own on their own continents or within their own religious and cultural worlds. They don’t have to be in one that they hate and have no respect for.
I am generally a left of middle voter but if my country lets in thousands and thousands of immigrants that do not benefit our people and our society, i'd be willing to vote for a far right authority. I'd be willing to give up freedom and human rights for security and sanity.
Europe or EU could make a common camp where 50-100 000 people could get processed. EVERYONE over that limit and rejected asylums would get transported back, no ifs or buts. No amount of whining or crying would help, and if someone calls it inhumane just point to that camp.
Its 90% Young Men. Poverty is not a reason for Asylum but you never hear that from the media...Why? International Law stipulates there are very specific reasons for granting Asylum.
What does international law stipulate ? It’s funny how international law only applies to western WHITE nations doesn’t it 🤬 there is no such think as international law ok so Burkina Faso and Saudi Arabia and Ethiopia and Pakistan and Bangladesh just break international law on a daily basis and have done since the beginning of time yet the moment someone suggests turning invader dinghies around or a blockade or deportation it’s International law international law blah blah 🤬😡🤬 oh right so I guess Syria and Lebanon or Somalia don’t seem to be getting your messages on international law are they , it should be renamed to “that’s against the law that only applies to nations founded built shaped and moulded by indigenous Europeans , that’s what law it should be called
Majority of those who is leading their own countries for search of better life the reason is not only their government failures but mostly due to have a better life in EU. They see a person return after been in EU country for some time and in comparison with their own the decision is to migrate by all means.
People should refuse to pay tax unless what they vote for is met,if a manifesto is not kept after half term then it should be a automatic vote for a new party and wages should be looked at in regards to how these political elete became millionaire's
How do we stop paying Tax ? I`m Employed. My deductions are taken out automatically. If I don`t pay my council Tax, I get taken to court, pay a fine and still have to pay my council Tax. Everything I buy, has already been taxed.
Let's understand, it's madness where everyone goes to the streets, there's no question of asylum, if it's about global economic problems, we're all living in a difficult situation, they have to return.
@@palacsintakatnonsense, she sounds Indian speaking English. This was DW wants to force us to accept immigrants in leading positions. We the Germans pay this channel, yet they employ Indians. No jobs here for us Germans, we are just forced to pay them.
@geranienbaum First everybody here with an university degree has excepted English skills. Second: do you really think this Indian lady has good language skills? Seriously? With this horrible accent? Then better to take a British born journalist.
Quite a realistic debate for once on a more mainstream channel like DW but these sorts of public conversations should've been happening at least 15 years ago; however as was alluded to in the video, mainstream parties have always been too scared to raise the issue too strongly and so this has created a completely open goal for those political entities which are more inclined to take direct action to address large scale irregular migration.
To all the European tax payers, before you start complaining, remember that every one of these men coming into Europe will want to bring their family after they've settled so as a ballpark estimate, multiply one asylum seeker times 3. Now you can really complain 😂
it is exploitative. the embassy charges large amounts but dont issue visas so that the people keep applying over and over....and the money is used to service the country
It's amazing to watch people with privilege discuss the fate of people who have so little. The questions posed by the host are simply touching the surface and not probing but rather eliciting a circulatory response. Traffickers exist only because there are people willing to pay for the opportunity for a better life either for themselves or for their children. Sure! It is capitalism at its worst not one that plays out from your moral playbook of privilege and standards. The low-level traffickers also do it to benefit their families and rise above poverty in their own lives. The heart of the problem lies in the simple fact that the people fleeing their countries are cynical of their own governments. The ruling elitist in their countries has failed their citizens to provide better opportunities. Corruption and the decaying of public trust in their own institutions is part of the cynicism within civic society. The worst is when Western interests (companies and governments) coincide with the ruling elite in those countries to profit on the backs of the larger civil society. The so-called democratically elected officials pose as false guardians and bastions of democratic rights. Just look around Africa and its glaringly obvious. The solution lies partly in imposing a higher tax on goods and mined earth elements from countries and companies that profit from foreign investments. Secondly taxing the individual country where the citizens are fleeing from. Either through aid rationing or per-person exodus tax. Sanctioning their leaders for not doing enough for their own citizens. These are solid plans that could help turn the tide in the long term. But the West is too slow and decadent to muster the courage to change in the short term.
Free trade policies with Africa must be rechecked. High duty tarifs for african imports. Same time the import of subsidized products from EU such as milk powder destroyed the african economies
It is all about survival , expanding population of poor countries want to move to rich countries, and get all benefits of rich countries for free This process will destroy rich countries if they dont take a stand.
Rich countries like Japan who can't even come close to replacing their population? Where most of their workers are senior citizens because they refuse to let in foreigners? Yeah great idea.
@@treverblanco you can bring camel to the water , but you cannot force camel to drink. The same about poor countries, if there is a will , there is a way. For as long as poor countries are ruled by corrupt politicians, drug lords, terrorists (Hezbollah in Lebanon , Taliban in Afghanistan etc...) nothing could be done. If you are so compassionate - invite a couple of guests that arrived on Lampedusa to live in your home.
Everyone is acutely aware that a time will inevitably arrive when Europe simply cannot, beyond any shadow of a doubt, accommodate any more individuals. There's an instinctive understanding that there exists a natural threshold. Now, as this is undeniable, it's clear that merely waiting for it to occur will lead to profoundly distressing outcomes, far graver than mere pushbacks. This situation will eventually escalate to involve national militaries employing force indiscriminately, with their single-minded focus on preventing further influx at all costs. Within each nation, movements bearing a striking resemblance to traditional fascism will undoubtedly emerge. There's absolute certainty in this. When the will of the populace is continuously overlooked, their susceptibility to extreme ideologies increases exponentially. And here, 'extreme' refers to a genuinely radical extent, not the current, comparatively moderate interpretation of the term. In light of this, wouldn't it be more prudent to adopt a decidedly firm stance against unchecked immigration now, rather than waiting until immigration has irreparably compromised each nation's systems to the point of collapse? Certainly, something to ponder.
This is very important subject no matter what is your political scale or are you even outside of mainstream lamer ideas. Thanks for keep this visious problen in table. I think that future of migration is much grimmer than we see.
you allow a thousand and millions will follow. is there any country willing to accept them in millions? i am sure "NO".... what's the solution? push back by HOOK or by CROOK
I think you underestimate how cheap a smartphone is, just because you are paying huge markups to the megacorp of your choice, doesn't mean the rest of the world is. Plus developed countries in general throw away a perfectly good phone after a year or 2, where do you think they end up? Will also add that solar panels have become incredibly cheap. As low as 1$ per watt, probably more power in Africa.
Horse pluky, the only solution is FAMILY PLANNING AND CONTRACEPTION. Note to Africa South/Central America, and South Asia: all the seats are taken and the music has stopped, so stay home.
China is the largest trading partner with Africa, and commodities are a global market, so the global rate is paid. Africa is also full of governments engaged in a Resource Curse type of arrangement where the political and economic elites easily control the resources and they keep a high percentage of the earnings for themselves. In a diverse economies like in the west you can’t do that because there are so many companies and contributors to the GDP, although when the GDP depends on just a few resources it is easy for the elites to take everything for themselves.
In the old Berlin war, and North Korea, they have machine guns and mines to prevent people crossing, that will also work very well now , as long as politician have the back bone to deploy it. Ask Arab and Asian countries why no one go there. head of EU and Italian PM showing up is strictly a photo op. They can do everything from their desk.
Please stop using the word "populism" as if the democratic will of majorities is a bad idea. The problem is that democracies are failing. Majorities are no longer able to express their political will in any area of policy; housing, healthcare, education, climate change, defence ...... Immigration is not the totality of politics but the electorates have a right to express their views on that, too.
We are screwed big time do not worry about war it's hungry and desperate people that will dilute that problem. We need strict rules full stop, stop,stop...
It's not possible, this is a big break from Italy, they have to return to their land of origin, it's not possible, there's talk of global economic problems, even Italy has serious economic problems,
People are migrating to the US and Europe because they’re poor, desperate, and unhappy; corrupt governments and economic inequality are the root of this migration. 💕☮🌎🌌
Since countries of origin don't want to take back failed asylum applicants , the destination countries could consider the option of an artificial island having a special status in international law as a camp for failed asylum seekers. Another option would be to create a new state similar to the way the US created Liberia for ex-slaves. I'm not necessarily recommending either of these options which sound quite dystopian. However, as stated in the program the current situation is not working.
There not escaping anything well some of them dont gove them lixuries deport an sent them home real asylum seekers would take legal route deport deport deport just say nooo
Big companies, 1srt world countries are the ones responsible on this massive migration, leaving people in poverty. People is leaving to get better life or earn more money not because they want.
That woman talks absolute tripe. The world is on the move because certain governments are allowing it to happen. Turn them back around. It's as simple as that. They will soon stop coming.
In many countries most of them are politicans or political parties involved in human trafficking to make money. countries like Eretrea,ethiopia, gambia,kenya, etc etc and same in Middle east and Asia, In pakistan govt and opposition politicians are involved, Bangladesh same In sri lanka political party called JVP is very active, said to be have luxury offices to recurit them in colombo to sending them to EU via eastern europe etc. and dont forget people have to pay them before and after arrival.And they collect money from them illegaly transfer back to their countries. Even leaders of those parties visits EU and collect money. EU totally failed to secure its boarders and citizens. why they sitting there in EU and enjoy tax payers hard earned money???
The shift that made illegal mass migration acceptable needs to change.
The idea that Europe, and North America needs to be a catch all at the detriment of it’s citizens is totally absurd. The growing resentment and anger over unaffordable housing, food etc will only grow and rightly so.
@allanblack "The shift that made illegal mass migration acceptable needs to ..." Why "rightly so" ? It's up to the leaders of northern African and Middle Eastern countries to properly administer their economies and countries, not to those countries which won't tolerate anything less of their leaders.
Europe cant pay for all the worlds criminals people need to stay home and learn what work is
Just do it like Japan and they won't come. Simple and effective.
Nah. karma from the colonies.
@@jpsionHow is it karma though? The elites (colonialists) are benefitting from the mass immigration.
Young Europeans can’t afford to raise kids in Europe and Young Americans can’t afford to raise kids I. America. The immigration just makes it harder for young Europeans to live in Europe.
Young American women and European women are busy selling themselves on tiktok and Instagram, busy chasing careers until they're 35 and can't get pregnant. Feminism is eating the west from inside
That's their solution, they want us poor..
Immigration isn't a problem. Considering the numbers, it is still really tiny part in the problem. Yes, 200l may sound terrible at first, but when you consider the huge amount of people in the country, it is a small number.
I'm not saying the government is right in their policies. I'm just saying we can't blame immigrant on the decision of our elites and making our life worse.
Soon, young Europeans will have a hard time finding a wife at all, given the massive immigration of men.
Exactly,Thatchers Droogs,Stopped Government Industrial and Other Decent Training Schemes Forty Years Ago so did most companies. In favour of importing forieghn labour. @@OnFeature
The solution is simple
START SENDING THEM BACK‼️
Tell Europe to leave Africa and African resources alone. Europe is built on genocides and looting of African resources. Today France refuses to leave Africa even after bieng kicked out, it's still trying to loot African resources, because without African resources, it's economy can shrink to a 3rd world economy.
Lots of countries of origin don't want them back.
It is not a solution, because millions have already arrived in Europe, and hundreds of thousands are on their way
Send to Ukraine…
@@paulcock8929Put them down. 💀nobody wants them.
They should be sent back, the boats confiscated and the smugglers prosecuted as this will only lead to further chaos and a disregard for international borders. People should be able to apply for asylum from their country of origin if necessary.
Never believe what the media tells u
@@goldfinga786ableso who shall we believe then, you?
Do I have to remember that the only reason Europe developed over the years, is Europe ripping apart Africa! We need to adapt to migration by letting go to our European history and start learning the African way of life!
@@giambi1980 no thank you. The African way of live is poverty, over breeding, lack of education, constant tribal violence, criminality, bad parenting, just all bad things humans can come up with. If you want the African way, go and live there. We Europeans prefer what made us strong: KNOWLEDGE AND EDUCATION. Get that into your little victim crybaby brain.
@@giambi1980the west will crush you
Their hope is to get a free house ,have 5 or 6 kids and live on Welfare for next
30 years. !
And they’ll get it too. Off the backs of tax paying citizens, when they’ve contributed zero to the country they’re squatting in.
The economies are collapsing in EU also.
I don't agree. And I doubt you would be able to substantiate your assertion with statistical, unemotional, unbiased facts. All my grandparents were immigrants, grateful to live in a country where they had security and the ability to be entrepreneurial. They were all hardworking and never took a dime from welfare. I'm so grateful for the opportunities they provided for my parents and me. Most immigrants bring fresh energy and ideas to their new home country. If you want to talk about welfare, look at the big corporations and all the subsidies and tax breaks they get. We finance them with our hard-earned money.
@@lisabluecurls Different era from your grandparents to todays society. Your Grandparents & parents knew what respect was. You also said they worked hard and didnt receive any hand-outs. Todays society, believes everything should be given to them.
@@joeangus7473 I'm from SRI LANKA and i'm a graduate engineer in my country. If you offer me citizenship in Europe, I would willingly contribute the development of your society. I am an eligible candidate for subclass 476 Austrailia and wish to move there next year.
If they are supposed to claim asylum in the first safe country, then they should not be allowed to claim asylum in the UK. They do not have a right to asylum here, as they pass through safe countries en route here.
So Italy and Greece get stuck with all of them?
@@cleigh113 If you don’t deport them right away - you have to keep them 😂😂😂😂
Easy answer to that, don't allow them to land on European shores in the first place.
@@terryjacob8169 You are 100% right.
@@cleigh113that's the mutual aid guaranteed by being in the EU uk isn't in the EU
Do the australian method. Its tried and tested. The illegals would have to be sent back. There should be no crossings at all. Find a third country to deal with applications.
It's true that works for them. But they are their own continent, and have no border lands sharing with them. And they also have quite a bit of water between them and the next country/continent, and it def helps to ease the worry of illegals coming in.
@@IcerinAlaska49 and why wouldnt it work here. The moment we start sending ppl back to third country, the boats will stop.
@@ronnie5329Agreed. I'm a left wing Australian but I 100% support our 3rd country system.
@@ronnie5329No one seems to be saying what they are really thinking - that a lot of the illegal migration is for economic rather than refuge reasons. The public won't support a system that they believe is bring taken advantage of.
@@zen1647me too.
This really needs to be sorted out before there’s a far right response across Europe because it’s clear that the present system has totally failed.
It’s happening in the US. I think we’ll have a Republican President next year because of this crisis.
@@JayNomad and what will a Republican do? Where is the wall trump promised, he was there for 4 years. When are people going to realize that all mainstream parties are behind this scheme
By that do you mean people who want to protect their country, family values, children, future, etc are "far-right"
That has already started unfortunately but predictably. There will be a terror attack or two, and that will be it.
@@nedor64
Nope not at all. What I mean is they’d vote far right for the reasons you’ve given because the mainstream have failed.
They may feel frustrated but they are not desperate at home. It’s the lower middle class who are migrating. They have more resources than most in their countries. The cost of these journeys is easily €15-20k
100%
If they are not desperate, why are they risking their lives to go abroad and pay exorbitant bribes?
@@MrNetAble No risk? Those drowning in the sea don't take risks?
That’s a lie
Exactly - "not being as well off as I would like", is not the same as "desperation".
About aging population, European Governments can provide more incentives for people to get married and have children instead of spending money trying to get permanent residence to all the illegal immigrants that could end up being more of a burden than an asset. To fill in working force gaps governments could look at providing temporary working visas to people meeting job requirements.
Yes, people need to face the fact that we either need higher taxes to support parents more so people can have more children, or we need migration.
@@zen1647 Europe is a left wing experiment, The Spectator TV does a good piece on it..
Europe needs people who will integrate and contribute.
Europe will swing to the right soon, after some incident or other, just watch.
It does seem easier to promote marriage and children from the indigenous population, and Sweden has done this, but i has kind of backfired.
One minute they are telling us AI and automation are going to massively disrupt the job market, the next they say Europe needs to import tens of millions outsiders to maintain their standard of living. As if any of these uneducated and unskilled orcs are going to be future doctors and lawyers 🤦🏼♂️
Even with incentives to have more babies, it is not working. They tried that in Japan and didn't work. It's the mindset that young people are having. Young ladies want to enjoy life and progress through their careers and then when they reach 40 they start to think about having a family. You have to change this mindset then maybe things will change.
@@plung3r I was raised by my grand parents, so perhaps incentives to both parents and grand parents could work or even nurseries funded by the state and promoting nurseries at vacation places.
Every time someone says we have workforce shortage. All I hear is "I want to pay my workers less", I can recruit you as much workers as you need you just need to give me budget to do so. Guess importing workers from Africa is cheaper, it was this way for hundreds of years.
You talk like these lazy want to work.
Look how 'cheap' importing slave labor was for the USA - in the long run.
Overpopulation not climate change is driving illegal migration
YES! Exactly - what they mean is, "I don't want to have to employ Europeans who would expect liveable wages and reasonable working conditions".
@@mickeydodds1
The globalists such as Hillary Rodham Clinton "nuked" the Midwest "flyover country" of the U. S. A. by shielding industrialists from having to invest to counter the cheap Japanese car imports with higher gas mileage originating with Saudi Arabia's Oil Embargo of 1973 and Iranian Revolution of 1979 increasing oil prices greatly. Detroit was ruined by design.
The American Civil War was fought primarily because the slave-holding South wouldn't share its cheap slaves with the North industrializing rapidly needing cheap labor. The South was hogging the cheap labor.
Carolina - if you seriously think that climate change is a significant factor, you prove you don’t know what your talking about
Cuz climate crisis suddenly is to blame for everything; economic recession, war, immigration, and the list goes on
Because DW can't do any story without a 'climate change expert' involved.
Europe's problem is Left-wing politicians. This is an incentive and the main reason for migration
Rigging the global socio-economic order for the sole benefit of the west and the elites but refuse to deal with the after effects and consequences of their policies isn't sustainable anymore
Correct
Indeed and these left wing politicians see these asylum seekers as "new voters". It's rubbish that we need these asylum seekers from Africa as workers. We can ask other Europeans to come to work by us like Poles, Romanians, etc. From East-Europe. We don't need those asylum seekers from Africa and the middle east because they don't want to integrate and don't respect our culture and values, luckily not every asylum seeker is like that but many are.
One child policy for Africa, etc.
@@margaret-yr6uh you do know the kids born today would be 50 years old and not be able to conceive which would mean extinction
@@Ryzanu are you jealous because western women are feminist and western men are homosexuals which means the west will soon become extinct
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Why not forever?
Europe is already following the one child policy . That’s why they’re disappearing. Looks like Africa will colonize Europe
They should go to Qatar, Saudi Arabia, U.A.E.
They aren't stealing Aprikas resources
I thought I was the only person to advocate this. Well done you! Those countries are more akin to their culture and religion.
We give example of humanity of Western countries.
Slovenia are great people, Italians are great people, Bosnians are great people, Albanains are great people, Spanish are good, Portuguese are great people.
Now come to worst, Bulgharians, Greece, Macedonian, Croatian, French, Germans, Polish, Swedish, Norwegians.
Jokes a part all are good who die in next second.
@@ASKstrive Albanians 😅😂 your having a laugh mate … they are the most deadly and dangerous species to ever exist, there are more Albanians in British prisons than there are in Albanian ones 😮
UAE shot illegal immigrants right at their borders.
Ok why do they throw their papers away ANYBODY ?
I think we all know why.
How would you feel if suddenly a whole family without your permission moved into your house and you were obliged to feed them and provide clothing even if it meant your family being deprived of things. If you and your family agree to help people in need temporarily and that will not become a burden, then I guess that it will be OK.
The problem is once they are in the country, they’re here to stay for the most part.
I suppose they would be in their rights if you went to there house took half them away and made them into slaves for hundreds of years and then continued to strip their house bare.
@@gbrown9694 Many of those who were enslaved many years ago, today they enjoy a much higher standard of living in Western Countries than those who remained in Africa. Most likely ascendants of those illegal immigrants coming from Africa today were not slaves. There is no legal resolution by any international court that any one living today is obliged to pay any money for what their great grand parents did. All of the people living today would not exist had it not been for the events that happened in the past. If your brother or sister committed any wrong doing, you are not responsible to ask forgiveness for their acts unless it can be proved you had the means to control them and you instructed them to do something wrong.
@@gmoevallejo your missing the point. Their homelands have been decimated by coups, exploitation, military intervention and a complete lack of development when they were under the colonial powers. They should have been made right. They wasn’t. This is the consequence of that.
@@gbrown9694 Before 1950 South Korea was poor and a land of peasants, and after the war in 1953 South Korea economy was reduced to ashes and it's population did not emigrate., but they were free people and today is one of the countries in world with the higher standard of living. Most African countries are no longer controlled by any colonialists so they are free to choose their destiny. African countries can work hard and build strong economies as South Korea did.
get the navy to turn the boats back, they will soon get the message, and this will eventually stop.
How exactly would the navy do that?
Last I check gunning down loads of homeless people including women and children on small rubber dinghy is considered a crime against humanity or some such.
Also against international law if they happen to be on international waters.
Do you have a specific idea in mind?
The navy doesn’t want anything to do with it and the RNLI are running a taxi service for them they know they only have to reach British waters and they will get picked up
Torpedoes and machine guns work. That is the way sea-borne invasions were dealt with in the past.
Not about conflict it is about better economic prospects. They have lots of money to pay to illegal human traffickers and mostly healthy young men.
Yes, where are people who live in slums getting the money?
They take loans from organised crime rings that run the whole thing, up to 50 k (u.s dollars) which they have to repay regardless of they get to stay in whatever country they want to live in..
We are currently fueling gangs/organised crime due to us allowing illegal immigration.
Politicians are the ones behind the migration crisis so it is futile to wait for a solution from them. I they had cared at all, they would not let this happen at first place. Take Meloni for example. She accuses EU, France and Germany for not taking the immigrants, but I ask why she didn't task Italian navy to block these boats from the very beginning.
She doesn't have it in her to allow them to perish at sea.
@@reigninblood123she aint balls
Because she’ll be sued as Salvini who tried to push NGO’s boats full of illegals is being sued in courts! That’s the point.
It's not in the far-right's interests for the situation to be solved.
@@looker999997 it is when they are behind the levers of power and known to be behind them.
If borders are just imaginary lines on a map, why are people so determined to cross them?
Because those lines are the difference between milk and honey and rock and stone.
@@paulbrown4649 Right. So they _are_ meaningful dividing lines then.
@@artistsanomalous7369 Sure, you get to a country that will feed and house you because you say you need asylum, sure beats working for a living.
This has very little to do with cimate change. Overpopulation and accontability the biggest proble Do not overcomplicate the issue....food parcell, enough water, fuel for the boat and return them immediately on arrival.
BIRTH CONTROL IS WHAT THEY NEED.
Yeah! It have nothing to do with climate change and have all to do with economics. But don't get surprised if immigrants will start using that as an excuse. And from a political perspective sad "climate change" stories will become a tool for the left.
Yeah - that's the excuse the liberals use to justify what is purely opportunistic immigration.
Yeah and poor uneducated people have the most kids despite the fact they have no money. It's their own fault
Don’t let the boats land there, don’t let anyone off the boats, turn the boats around, sink the boats if necessary
This can’t be solved in one day of they had any balls
I'm ready to stand on the beaches with my fellow citizens right now and defend the land I love.
It’s a massive guilt trip, not of our making…
It appears the world leaders want United Nations everywhere, with not societal identification.
Everyone bleeds together.
Don't be guilty, never !!!
This whole thing is scary, heartbreaking and it's deliberate by governments. The Great Reset will have no mercy. God help us all.
They bank on your compassion. Politicians have no solutions.Europe is the new Africa
Germany started in the EU the BS years ago and let them have the people.
Soon population of Germany will be light brown and chocolate
And the guilt-ridden angst of liberal German politicians for sympathy.
The Saudis know how to deal with illegal immigration.
Chop their hands off? Aaahahaaa gotta love the Saudis !
why is everything blamed on climate change? the first thing the woman mentions is climate change making it sound like thats the #1 reason for the migration and she doesnt even go further into explaining it. while she explains the other two reasoning. sound like she is one of those ppl that jst starts every debate wit climate change
Not with climate change - but by over and over brainwashing us, that must are guilty of the immigrants to come, therefore we must accept them and finance each and every one of them for the next 60 years. They never talk about birth control in Africa right?? Never talk about tribal warfare there, right? Never talk about extremely bad parenting skills of African population … and so on and so on. They do not realize that after 50 years of this brainwash we are absolutely immune to it.
That's what paid actors do?
Yeah, no mention of the free money that awaits them
climate change ... hahaha .. it's africa... from centuries was hot there... what a fail of a entry
Why is it so easy for traffickers to operate under the countries they left? Everyone is exploiting the "Human Rights" law. lets start breaking taboos, please
Once upon a time there were a lot of vacant apartment buildings in my city. Politicians encouraged people from Puerto Rico to move here. They were promised government paid housing, free food and medical. They even gave them money to buy new furniture. Today they are a majority and over 50% live on benefits. And, because they breed a lot they overwhelmed the two adjoining cities and became a majority there too with most on assistance. It could be an example of what the whole of Europe will look like.
It already does.
of course. it's the death of europe.
😂😂😂 It's too late now.
@@clo5671 Massachusetts. Oh, and I forgot that 2 of the cities are in the top 100 in the country for violent crime. One of them was in the top 10 best small cities in the country to live in the mid 80s.
@@Automedon2 What two cities in Massachusetts? If it’s small ones, don’t mention it.
I think making an army out of them and free Africa from corrupted politicians might be good.
A legal solution would be to send those who are not genuine asylum seekers and who are obviously not interested in respecting women, respecting our social inclusiveness of people with any sexual orientation, cleanliness and non violence to better countries than their own on their own continents or within their own religious and cultural worlds. They don’t have to be in one that they hate and have no respect for.
Ask the Australian government how they do not let a single illegal immigrant in. How hard is that?
Australia is an island, that's how easy it us.
26 minutes and not a single solution presented. What a waste of time
The solution is eliminating the smugglers, organized crime and minimizing the antagonistic autocratic manipulators at all levels!
I am generally a left of middle voter but if my country lets in thousands and thousands of immigrants that do not benefit our people and our society, i'd be willing to vote for a far right authority. I'd be willing to give up freedom and human rights for security and sanity.
"The Strange Death of Europe" by Douglas Murray
Seems like all of Europe will look like Paris in 50 years.
Europe or EU could make a common camp where 50-100 000 people could get processed. EVERYONE over that limit and rejected asylums would get transported back, no ifs or buts. No amount of whining or crying would help, and if someone calls it inhumane just point to that camp.
That’s right it is a migration, that word is used for the animal kingdom when herds move to seek water, food and shelter, now it’s used as humans
Poo-tin was using human misery waves to attack the West. The brutal intervention by Russia in Syria was a case in point.
Poor ppl 😭... making more babies , to be poor , This cycle need to be STOPPED 🤐 . If your country isnt fair ! Fight for ur rites 😇🇬🇧
They're trying to not be poor by migrating. They are trying to do the right thing for their families.
Its 90% Young Men. Poverty is not a reason for Asylum but you never hear that from the media...Why? International Law stipulates there are very specific reasons for granting Asylum.
What does international law stipulate ? It’s funny how international law only applies to western WHITE nations doesn’t it 🤬 there is no such think as international law ok so Burkina Faso and Saudi Arabia and Ethiopia and Pakistan and Bangladesh just break international law on a daily basis and have done since the beginning of time yet the moment someone suggests turning invader dinghies around or a blockade or deportation it’s International law international law blah blah 🤬😡🤬 oh right so I guess Syria and Lebanon or Somalia don’t seem to be getting your messages on international law are they , it should be renamed to “that’s against the law that only applies to nations founded built shaped and moulded by indigenous Europeans , that’s what law it should be called
They bring their families later to avoid the humiliating asylum seeking process
Majority of those who is leading their own countries for search of better life the reason is not only their government failures but mostly due to have a better life in EU. They see a person return after been in EU country for some time and in comparison with their own the decision is to migrate by all means.
The old Germany would have known what to do
It's what we will have to do in the end for the good of all.
People should refuse to pay tax unless what they vote for is met,if a manifesto is not kept after half term then it should be a automatic vote for a new party and wages should be looked at in regards to how these political elete became millionaire's
How do we stop paying Tax ? I`m Employed. My deductions are taken out automatically. If I don`t pay my council Tax, I get taken to court, pay a fine and still have to pay my council Tax. Everything I buy, has already been taxed.
@@joeangus7473Exactly there is Discipline & a Structure for Legally residing Law abiding people.
Deny all benefits. Then it stops.
Let's understand, it's madness where everyone goes to the streets, there's no question of asylum, if it's about global economic problems, we're all living in a difficult situation, they have to return.
Ship them all to Germany.
France and England too
Why does this lady not sound German at all?😅
She sounds German speaking British english
It’s always comical to me when immigrants speak on the burden of migration 😅
@@palacsintakatnonsense, she sounds Indian speaking English. This was DW wants to force us to accept immigrants in leading positions. We the Germans pay this channel, yet they employ Indians. No jobs here for us Germans, we are just forced to pay them.
she is most likely a legal immigrant from india.
@geranienbaum First everybody here with an university degree has excepted English skills. Second: do you really think this Indian lady has good language skills? Seriously? With this horrible accent? Then better to take a British born journalist.
What solutions did politicians have during COVID-19? 😏
That time somehow human rights were highly flexible concept...
@@useodyseeorbitchute9450 how true. 😓
Seal borders,no funding!
End asylum
Quite a realistic debate for once on a more mainstream channel like DW but these sorts of public conversations should've been happening at least 15 years ago; however as was alluded to in the video, mainstream parties have always been too scared to raise the issue too strongly and so this has created a completely open goal for those political entities which are more inclined to take direct action to address large scale irregular migration.
so has been DW until the whole thing starts spelling Europe's doom
@@CrakenFlux
Europe isn't doomed. It's just becoming more like Africa.
To all the European tax payers, before you start complaining, remember that every one of these men coming into Europe will want to bring their family after they've settled so as a ballpark estimate, multiply one asylum seeker times 3. Now you can really complain 😂
Let them work and pay taxes
Sink the invading boats!
What's happened to legal emigration???
It's expensive and time consuming, especially when doing it illegally is so rewarding.
@@paulbrown4649it isnt really rewarding. They wont get to have a chance at a life here in europe as an illegal. Someone told them lies
Far easier just to arrive illegally !
You will NEVER be sent back.! That's the problem.
it is exploitative. the embassy charges large amounts but dont issue visas so that the people keep applying over and over....and the money is used to service the country
@@esohekate5621 arriving in EU illegally will be worse. Youll be trapped in endless circle. No country can legitimize illegal immigration
It's amazing to watch people with privilege discuss the fate of people who have so little.
The questions posed by the host are simply touching the surface and not probing but rather eliciting a circulatory response.
Traffickers exist only because there are people willing to pay for the opportunity for a better life either for themselves or for their children.
Sure! It is capitalism at its worst not one that plays out from your moral playbook of privilege and standards. The low-level traffickers also do it to benefit their families and rise above poverty in their own lives.
The heart of the problem lies in the simple fact that the people fleeing their countries are cynical of their own governments. The ruling elitist in their countries has failed their citizens to provide better opportunities. Corruption and the decaying of public trust in their own institutions is part of the cynicism within civic society. The worst is when Western interests (companies and governments) coincide with the ruling elite in those countries to profit on the backs of the larger civil society. The so-called democratically elected officials pose as false guardians and bastions of democratic rights. Just look around Africa and its glaringly obvious.
The solution lies partly in imposing a higher tax on goods and mined earth elements from countries and companies that profit from foreign investments.
Secondly taxing the individual country where the citizens are fleeing from. Either through aid rationing or per-person exodus tax.
Sanctioning their leaders for not doing enough for their own citizens.
These are solid plans that could help turn the tide in the long term.
But the West is too slow and decadent to muster the courage to change in the short term.
I'll tell you how to solve the crisis!!??!?! TURN THE BOATS AROUND! CRISIS SOLVED. END OF STORY.
Stopping all freebies and all the benefits, the boats will automatically stop.
It's the only solution and it worked for Australia. All the governments need are a backbone and the will to do it.
Free trade policies with Africa must be rechecked. High duty tarifs for african imports. Same time the import of subsidized products from EU such as milk powder destroyed the african economies
Europe needs to train its own people!!
The only way is to temporarily stop the asylum process.
It is all about survival , expanding population of poor countries want to move to rich countries, and get all benefits of rich countries for free
This process will destroy rich countries if they dont take a stand.
Rich countries like Japan who can't even come close to replacing their population? Where most of their workers are senior citizens because they refuse to let in foreigners? Yeah great idea.
So maybe the rich countries should help fix the problems in the poor countries. That would solve this.
@@treverblanco you can bring camel to the water , but you cannot force camel to drink.
The same about poor countries, if there is a will , there is a way.
For as long as poor countries are ruled by corrupt politicians, drug lords, terrorists (Hezbollah in Lebanon , Taliban in Afghanistan etc...) nothing could be done.
If you are so compassionate - invite a couple of guests that arrived on Lampedusa to live in your home.
Invasions should be dealt with by way of military action
All young military aged men!
Everyone is acutely aware that a time will inevitably arrive when Europe simply cannot, beyond any shadow of a doubt, accommodate any more individuals. There's an instinctive understanding that there exists a natural threshold.
Now, as this is undeniable, it's clear that merely waiting for it to occur will lead to profoundly distressing outcomes, far graver than mere pushbacks. This situation will eventually escalate to involve national militaries employing force indiscriminately, with their single-minded focus on preventing further influx at all costs.
Within each nation, movements bearing a striking resemblance to traditional fascism will undoubtedly emerge. There's absolute certainty in this. When the will of the populace is continuously overlooked, their susceptibility to extreme ideologies increases exponentially. And here, 'extreme' refers to a genuinely radical extent, not the current, comparatively moderate interpretation of the term.
In light of this, wouldn't it be more prudent to adopt a decidedly firm stance against unchecked immigration now, rather than waiting until immigration has irreparably compromised each nation's systems to the point of collapse?
Certainly, something to ponder.
Sink their boats. Set an example so they will fear crossing the sea.
The captain of the boat gets life sentence and the passengers are sent back. I give it a month and everything will stop.
Italy is only seeing the beginning.. This is nothing
This is very important subject no matter what is your political scale or are you even outside of mainstream lamer ideas.
Thanks for keep this visious problen in table. I think that future of migration is much grimmer than we see.
Be like Poland
Logistically speaking, they can't let EVERYONE in so what's the plan here🤨
Exactly.
The plan is to let everyone in and profit off cheap labor.
Absolute poverty means you don’t have enough money to eat, it does not mean that you have the money to pay people traffickers.
so they dont have free suff ? thats why they crying ?
What would Margaret Thatcher do?
you allow a thousand and millions will follow. is there any country willing to accept them in millions? i am sure "NO".... what's the solution? push back by HOOK or by CROOK
“What people see on their smart phones”? I’ll just leave it there…..
I think you underestimate how cheap a smartphone is, just because you are paying huge markups to the megacorp of your choice, doesn't mean the rest of the world is.
Plus developed countries in general throw away a perfectly good phone after a year or 2, where do you think they end up?
Will also add that solar panels have become incredibly cheap. As low as 1$ per watt, probably more power in Africa.
@@notfunny3397 not at all! And not in this country they aren’t 😉
I'm from UK 🇬🇧 please send 🙏 more of those people to London we have plenty of accommodations.
Horse pluky, the only solution is FAMILY PLANNING AND CONTRACEPTION. Note to Africa South/Central America, and South Asia: all the seats are taken and the music has stopped, so stay home.
Less talking about the problem & more action.
Do you happen to have a solution?
The solution is pay the Africans a fair price for their natural resources.
This would keep them in their borders and happy.
China is the largest trading partner with Africa, and commodities are a global market, so the global rate is paid. Africa is also full of governments engaged in a Resource Curse type of arrangement where the political and economic elites easily control the resources and they keep a high percentage of the earnings for themselves. In a diverse economies like in the west you can’t do that because there are so many companies and contributors to the GDP, although when the GDP depends on just a few resources it is easy for the elites to take everything for themselves.
Carolina got the memo. She’s on point.
Stop liberalism!
They are mostly fighting aged men. It's economic migration
They are fighting age because they are avoiding draft
Funny how most of them leave their wives and kids behind
In the old Berlin war, and North Korea, they have machine guns and mines to prevent people crossing, that will also work very well now , as long as politician have the back bone to deploy it. Ask Arab and Asian countries why no one go there. head of EU and Italian PM showing up is strictly a photo op. They can do everything from their desk.
Please stop using the word "populism" as if the democratic will of majorities is a bad idea. The problem is that democracies are failing. Majorities are no longer able to express their political will in any area of policy; housing, healthcare, education, climate change, defence ...... Immigration is not the totality of politics but the electorates have a right to express their views on that, too.
What ever reason for moving from one country if it’s illegal it is akways illegal
We are screwed big time do not worry about war it's hungry and desperate people that will dilute that problem.
We need strict rules full stop, stop,stop...
The asylum rights needs to be updated and limited. It was made for poeple like Assange but not for economic migratens
It's not possible, this is a big break from Italy, they have to return to their land of origin, it's not possible, there's talk of global economic problems, even Italy has serious economic problems,
We are ready to help. This is the USA.
People are migrating to the US and Europe because they’re poor, desperate, and unhappy; corrupt governments and economic inequality are the root of this migration. 💕☮🌎🌌
We haven't had a coup in Nigeria and won't have one. Democracy is here to stay. 🙏🏽
Since countries of origin don't want to take back failed asylum applicants , the destination countries could consider the option of an artificial island having a special status in international law as a camp for failed asylum seekers. Another option would be to create a new state similar to the way the US created Liberia for ex-slaves. I'm not necessarily recommending either of these options which sound quite dystopian. However, as stated in the program the current situation is not working.
The irony being Turks don’t want the Arabs blaming them for serious crimes.
There not escaping anything well some of them dont gove them lixuries deport an sent them home real asylum seekers would take legal route deport deport deport just say nooo
Big companies, 1srt world countries are the ones responsible on this massive migration, leaving people in poverty. People is leaving to get better life or earn more money not because they want.
That woman talks absolute tripe.
The world is on the move because certain governments are allowing it to happen.
Turn them back around. It's as simple as that.
They will soon stop coming.
In many countries most of them are politicans or political parties involved in human trafficking to make money. countries like Eretrea,ethiopia, gambia,kenya, etc etc and same in Middle east and Asia, In pakistan govt and opposition politicians are involved, Bangladesh same In sri lanka political party called JVP is very active, said to be have luxury offices to recurit them in colombo to sending them to EU via eastern europe etc. and dont forget people have to pay them before and after arrival.And they collect money from them illegaly transfer back to their countries. Even leaders of those parties visits EU and collect money. EU totally failed to secure its boarders and citizens. why they sitting there in EU and enjoy tax payers hard earned money???