Jazz Piano Comping With Open And Closed Voicings
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- Using the tune, "But Not For Me," I discuss open and close comping voicings for jazz piano.
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As a guitarist, this is invaluable. Amazing. Really glad I found your channel!
The way I learned the rootless LH voicings was by drilling the 2-5-1 progression all 12 keys. First the A's then the B's. Once that was down pat, then came the 2-5alt-1 again in every key. At that point the hand takes over and you don't really have think about it.
Wow! I think that I should do that as well. It's a great idea. 😊☺😎
what do you mean by “first the A's then the Bs”?
Juan I was wondering the same. I think I found the answer here: www.hearandplay.com/main/2-5-1-progression-b-voicing-technique-vs-skeleton-voicings
@Josh Walsh: Thanks for clarifying!
@@ScullRoland just so people know, nobody calls them 'As and Bs' lol thats not standard terminology
4:23 is an absolute mind blow moment.
Aimee, you have a great personality and a deep and broad knowledge of the idiom. That's what makes learning from you such a positive experience. I was looking at a Jazz Chord symbols pdf and I lifted the following quote out of it, In Jazz, most chords are voiced with four pitches (regardless of the chord) and are played in the left hand near middle C. In combination with this tutorial, I think I have the keys to the Jazz Kingdom :)
A good explanation of two different types of voicings, and the tune is well-chosen for this. Your "closed" 9th- and 13th-based voicings are what I originally learned through the Aebersold method, and for "open" voicings I strongly recommend the book by Frank Mantooth. Not sure if I missed it in your tutorial but three important things for the pianist to remember are (1) it matters how long your chords ring when you comp, (2) most amateur pianists use too much pedal, and (3) consider varying the relative loudness of the notes in the chord, that changes their musical color.
I got all of Mantooths books ( well, I misplaced one of them ) and wow, it's rich with alternate chords, subs, etc, the book, I think, is better for ideas for the solo piano. The Dick Hyman Books are good, as well.
@@patriciodasilva7902 thanks for the recommendation on Dick Hyman's books. I'll check them out. Mantooth has four volumes of "arrangements" of standards plus a general textbook - type book on quartal voicings.
@@pauldeck4500 I have the four volumes of choice changes of standards, and for some reason, I thought there was another which is why I said i misplaced one. Apparently it doesn't exist. The Dick Hyman books are rich with harmonic ideas, and have many songs not in the Mantooth books, and many are shared by both, giving even more harmonic ideas on a song. Both sets of books often have ideas for interior voice movement, which is nice.
This is so good!! Thank you Aimee for sharing with us this wonderful video! You are such a good teacher and pianist!
These videos are like gold. What a nice clear explanation. Thank you
Best lesson on open and close voicing that I've been looking for, thanks Aimee. Now all I have to do is trying to memorize those chords progression.
Thank you! Share it with people for me. :-)
I'm learning so much with your videos! THANK YOU!
Thanks for another great lesson! You are a good teacher and you explain things so clear. I feel like you are releasing all these secrets I've always wondering about it
fred osei haha I'm so glad you feel that way Fred. Tell your musical friends and help me spread the word! Thanks for watching!
thank you for this, i know the close voicings but you opened my eyes to the open, can't wait to practice this, again, thanks for inspiring.
+Woody Piano Shack wonderful! You are welcome. :-) thanks for watching.
AWESOME 🎉 Thank You Amee 🎶🎶🎹🎹🎹🎹🎹❤️❤️❤️🎵🎵🎤🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
On my piano and guitar I always organize myself around 1-2m-3m-4-5-6m-7dim. This is very much dominant in rock and pop in the decades 50s-60s-70s and 80s. I love pop music from this era. I think it's really great how you organize yourself for the jazz you're playing on piano. You're a genius Aimee :)
Robert Hosbach so your organizing yourself around all the basic chords of a scale
Thank you so much for this video! SO helpful.
Found this very clear and useful, Aimee. And I like your singing, by the way....😊
Thanks Aimee!
Hey Aimee Nolte..I'm seeing you here in Brazil ❤
Great explanation
This is a terrific video. Just seen your video tutorial on learning memorising the chords in 2 5 1 progressions using a dice (pianing?) and this complements that tutorial really well. Thanks.
Thanks yo. I needed this.
I love this. Thank you . subscribed, liked.
Very helpful! Thanks!
Very direct information to practice on 🙂
Would you like to do a tutorial on harmonizing the melody in the right hand while doing solo piano? Maybe in a jazz and a pop piano context too? Thanks for shearing these great videos.
Great idea practicing in all 12 keys also LIKE the LARGE picture of piano that helps also when I practice a tune or solo i a have a drum machine or metronome on it helps to know if i am in time. I try to play with other people because jazz is about playing with other people not yourself . When I mean other people i mean people like you that are excellent
The best explanation I've ever seen. No drop 2 voicing, cause this way is much is easier!!!
but that is basically drop 2 and 4 ?!
Rootless voicing clearly explained ❤️ from India
Hi Aimee~thanks for all the great content! Really appreciate it. Could you do a tutorial on ear training and transcribing? I have been transcribing for a year by now and have improved a lot in notating horn players' lines right off the bat. However, when I try to transcribe piano voicings, they take literally FOREVER... I spend like an afternoon in front of the piano and only figure out the precise notes of 3 or 4 bars (trial and error over and over). It's really taking up a lot of my time (dont got much of that QAQ) , which I would rather spend practicing other skills (creating ideas, stabilizing time, controlling touch and etc.). BTW, I would like to think that my jazz harmony theory basis is sound since Ive studied Mark Levines Jazz theory and Jazz piano and a few other books from Andy LaVerne. Thanks again for the marvelous videos, it's really refreshing to see a jazz pro willing to help out and share experiences, love all your clips~~
po-cheng Shih what a nice comment. I would love to do that. Soon.
Hey thanks again! You are great to share these lessons!
Would you do a video on practicing and developing independence of time/rhythm?
wtfroy sure. Can you be a little more specific in what you'd like to see?
Wonderful video - thanks for putting this together. Your examples clarify and bring to life the comp voicings found in Mark Levine's great Jazz Piano book. I definitely notice that stacked fourth voicings, including those with an augmented 4th in the lower part of the voicing, seem to resonate more and sound more lush.
Mark Semsel thanks Mark!
There are loads of useful music instructions on TH-cam that never show up until I know enough to know what to look for
I'd like you to show how to play the beginning of Carol Kings "It's Too Late" and Simply Reds "Holding Back The Years" ........I love these two songs and would love to learn how to play it from watching you play it. Thanks !
Thanks a million for your tutorials, Aimee! I am wondering why the 9th in minor chords works. I always thought that the minor 3rd clashes with the 9th. It is the same with the 11th in major chords. Can you explain it, please?
Thanks Aimee! Jacobi's new IHarmU with you led me to discover your awesome skills and your awesome channel!
Steve Osoro oh nice! Thanks for stopping by, Steve! Isn't Jacob the most amazing?!
Yeah! he's amazing ..Also you are amazing! I have been watching your TH-cam channel for the past three hours .. am learning a lot of Jazz! You're also incredibly talented!
what scale did you use in singing those many notes at a go in the IHarmU?
during your collaboration with Jacob Collier?
Steve Osoro super nice of you, Steve! Tell your musical friends for me if you get a sec! I don't typically think in terms of scales when I improvise. I suppose there were hints of a diminished scale in my first scat break. I just sang a line that I thought sounded pretty! :)
WIll surely share you to my Musical friends here in Kenya! Thanks for the insights!
The first chord (at 1:58) instantly reminded me of the very beginning of Miles Davis's version of Round Midnight. As far as I can tell, they're not the same chord, but somehow I heard Miles, et al., playing the intro (in my head). Not sure why my ear/brain makes these connections sometimes.
I can see Aimee sitting at the piano all twisted up!
多謝！
This is great! Really helps me understand how to apply your Jazz Bible tips. Thank you! How would you do this differently if you were playing solo piano, and needed to do both melody and bass?
Look at my “how to play any song for solo piano” video!
You are great!!:-)
Thanks for watching!
I've always wondered how the pros comp under themselves. Closed voicings, huh? Thx
So, it just seems to me that comping under another soloist or vocalist is easier than for one's self. This is good.
Yeah I think that’s true. :)
3rd and 7th on the bottom. Gotta do some ii_v_i's
That is an interesting way to think about the chords at 2:46 because I thought that you can keep the note E at the top but I guess the bottom note would have to move further to d. Can you share to comment on this? Do you also have lessons on rhythm such as learning syncopated rhythms? I like what you did at 7:56 but I am not that good with rhythm. Can I keep that E at the top?
Thank you very much madam I so much enjoy your class each time, may God reward you,
Awesome, once again! Thanks. Question. If I'll never have a bass player should I play the root on the bottom most of the time?
Sam A you can, but you don't have to. At first, you probably will, all of the time, and as you progress, you can find ways to leave it out and still have it sound full
Thanks...you're right I play it most of the time....novice!
This is perfect Aimee and just what I was looking for. One final question if I may. What voicings would you use for a minor 2-5-1? Thanks so much for all the help you give us!!
For the minor ii flat five chord, put either the 7 or 3 on bottom and add the flat five and root (or major nine if you’re brave), for the V7alt, put either the 3 or 7 (whichever one you didn’t use for the ii) on bottom and add the 3 or 7, and the sharp or flat five and the sharp or flat nine. These are all 4 note voicings. For the i, same rule but add the five and the nine
Aimee Nolte Music thanks again Aimee!!! You’ve been such a great help.
This is a great place to start. I've been looking for something you've said on six note voicings but haven't found any. Am I missing it or do you have any recommendations?
I think I still need to make that video! Thanks for the reminder
Hi Aimee ，When I comp for singer，can i use close voicing？because Im used to play bass LH and close voicing RH together，when my LH dont play bass，my timing always not accurate，how can fix it？3q！
Hey Aimee, thx for your stuff, it's great. That app ur using - did you create the chord charts or are they available in the app?
Available in the app but you can create your own through the app easily
Aimee Nolte Music 👌thx
do you think you can do a video on improvising?
Aaron Parker all my videos are on improvising! 😂 keep watching. :)
Hi thanks! If looking to play solo piano, is it really useful aim to learn and practice rootless voicings? I understand it is a must for comping or in a band. But there is so much to learn that I wonder if that is really needed. I have seen opposite views on that or hybrids like "yes, but rootless for your right hand". Which us your opinion on that if I may? Please have a great new year!
It depends on what kind of music you are playing. If you’re playing from the great American son book, yes, you need to learn it but if you are playing other popular styles, probably not.
What if you don’t have a base player
Applying the example to Autumn Leaves, the 9 of II is the Major third of the key centre, even though the key is Minor. Is this a deliberate 'rub'? In soloing on AL I mostly avoid this note apart from as a tritone sub in bar 2. Maybe I need to play some more, but it still doesn't sound right to me in the final II(mb57) V I.
It’s a colorful note and should be used sparingly and with some caution..:but I do like it
Why did you include the major 7th in your F6 chord @ 7:01?
I guess by that token, I should also ask why you included the 9th and 13th in all of these chords too
thanks for the great exercise idea
The song is in the key of F so essentially all Fchords will be major7s, she adds the 9th and 13th to make it sound more jazz.
7, 9, #11, 6(13) are all optional additions to a major chord
Good day Aimee.What kind of app do you have on your phone(harmony,chords, transpose).May be you have advice ..Real Thanks.
I find,thanks:-)
1:58 If that's g7 then i'm out of mind.
For me g7 chord contents a g note lol
This is jazz. It’s a different beast. :)
Rootless voicings
G7 is G7 whether it's Jazz or not, n'est ce pas?
@@AimeeNolte G7 is G7 whether it's Jazz or not Jazz, n'est ce pas?
Hence----"rootless voicings"
Hey Aimee..I've become obsessed now with how you teach voicings..my missing link!!! I purchased your Tune A Week Chart and am seeing that's EXACTLY what I've been needing to do...break away from all the damn exercises and put this stuff to work in real tunes. Quick question about the note choices in this video... I'm seing in this video that for two handed rootless you're using the 13th rather than the 5th...did I get that right??? Thanks kevin
Watch my Jazz Bible video! You’re on a great track here! Woohoo
@@AimeeNolte Way ahead of you slick!!!! Just got your Jazz Bible....wrote in some of your 'tasty' suggestions, put it in my plastic sheets and I'm on it!!! I'm in a group with some other players and we just play jazz standards..so between your top 25 list (almost all of them are on OUR list too) and the 'Tune A Week' Practice routine fortified with your teachings on closed and open voicings....I"ve got a PERFECT track to work on and a lab (with the group) to perfect it all.... Thanks so much!!!
🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼Go get em, Ace!
thank you!! is it the same voicing for minor 2-5-1? the 9th of a diminished sounds a little off.. should it be b9? and if so what is the voicing of the following dominant?
Check out my two videos about my “jazz Bible” :)
Are there any special voicings for minor and major triads without 7ths? For example, Autumn Leaves in the Real Book has an Em (no 7th) - how is that usually played in jazz?
E F# G B is nice. Also G B C# E (bottom to top in both cases) or G B C# F# My Jazz Bible video and pdf has all the iterations I like
Aimee could you provide a recommendation for a you tube educator like yourself but for beginners and intermediate?
By sight and ear? Thanks
My rock and roll Piano and also ear training series are good beginner ones on my channel. I’m sorry but I don’t know others. Not because they don’t exist but because I haven’t searched for any.
Thanks. I’ll watch. Great teacher!
What if I have no bad player because I'm playing alone, should I add the root somehow? maybe in the right hand?
I'm wondering aswell.
+Muros I have many videos about playing with no bass player. Look up my walking bass tutorials and also Skylark and Killing Me Softly. Moondance too. Yes. When you play alone, you have to be the bass player and play al the roots. :)
Thanks! Sometimes it's hard to decide which video will have the info I need because despite the title it can often contain much more knowledge. Also mad respect that you and Rick Beato find the time to reply to comments. Most big youtubers do it only for the top or first few.
Which of two concepts would you recommend a beginner/intermediate pianist to practice between for great results? One tune in a different key every week for 12 weeks, or one new tune every week for 12 weeks in one key only?
New tune every week. Knowing tunes is huge. :)
Aimee Nolte Music So you mean quantity is better than quality in that case? Will there be any time in learning everything in every key then? Or is that statement overrated maybe? 😊
Save it for later. Maybe a year or two from now when you know 30 tunes. It’s an important step but I’d recommend learning tunes tunes tunes at first. 👊🏼
If you’re playing solo jazz piano, would you still voice these chords without the root?
No. You’d need to cover the roots as well in that case. However, you’re right hand could take over these chords and play them just like this.
Gracias!! :) lml lml
Okay, so, if I understand correctly, as a pianist, I shouldn't play the root or the fifth because that's bass territory? Because you seem to be playing the third, seventh, ninth and thirteen. I'm relatively new to jazz piano so I'm just wondering. Also, have you ever made a video about where it's okay to put 11s and where to use 13s? Because I've watched some about that subject, but you explain everything in a way I can easily understand so I'm just wondering. Thank you, keep up the good work!
+Davex Show make sure that before this one you watch my one from a couple days ago "where to start" cuz 3rds and 7s are the most important thing. But yeah I think I need to do one talking more about 11ths on minor chords. Good call. Check out "the amazing chords of bill Evans" too
Aimee Nolte Music Well, I'm fairly good and at playing the 3rds and 7ths because I acompanny a lot of singers at my college just for the fun of it. What I wondering, more precisely, is if 9s and 13s are welcome in all major chords (with 7ths and maj 7ths). I've also heard that 11s only go with minor chords, but I don't know if that's entirely true though. A video about all of that would be more than awesome! Also, the video on Bill Evans is next on my list!
Aimee Nolte Music To be more precise, I know how to play the 9s, 11s and 13s, but I mainly would like to know where and how to use them correctly
+Davex Show riiiiight I gotchooo. It's on my to do list now. Maybe this week! Thanks
Aimee Nolte Music That's amazing! Thank you!
I see you're using a 13 instead of a fifth in all the places i normally use a fifth....I suppose not only does it add a little more jazzy flavour but it probably means it will sound better when the bass is playing the fifth (as well as the root of course) so the fifth is never doubled up ... Is that the idea behind that?
Dervish Capkiner I typically avoid the fifth on major and dominant chords, although I don't always avoid it. Look at my video today. I make an exception in this style. It just sounds a little more "vanilla" and not as exciting to play the fifth instead of the 13th, in my opinion.
Thanks for the advice, I think I'll go through my 2 5 1s replacing the 5th with the 13th to get this into my playing. Thanks so much for your wonderful videos, your passionate approach and inspirational teachings and insights. Happy new year Aimee :)
Dervish Capkiner you're very welcome. And it won't take you long to make that minor adjustment. And if you forget and play the fifth, no one will notice and all will be well. :)
what application you used for searching chords at your phone ?
Tanti Nov ireal pro
Aimee Nolte thankyou aimee..:)
Maybe it's stupid question, but what should i do with dim and aug chords, where 5 is important?
It’s not a stupid question. Watch my video about the jazz Bible.
Is the I Real Pro app worth buying?
+Villads Bojesen absolutely
why do you play the D-7 at 6:10 as 3-5-7-9 and not 3-13-7-9?
edit: you do that for all the minor chords as far as I can tell. so I guess the 3-7-9-13 rule only applies to the major chords? (maybe you said that but I don't think you did. sorry if that's the case!)
Pedro adding that 13 to a minor seventh chord doesn’t really put off the minor seventh sound. Not is saying you COULDN’T do it, but I certainly wouldn’t use that sound as a go to and drop it on unsuspecting people. In the minor chord that major seventh between the 7th and 13th is...dare I say spicy. As opposed to in the major chord the minor seventh between the 7th and 13th is relatively consonant/rested. These aren’t rules to remember set in stone, just things you’ll probably feel if you spend some time listening to the voicings.
Is it ok to play 3-5-7-9 instead of 3-6-7-9 like you play sometimes?
Yes. Use your best judgement :)
Why voice only with the 3rd or 7th on bottom? Why not any note (5th, 9th, etc.), whichever works best for voice-leading?
3 and 7 determine nearly everything about the chord. And almost always, having either one on the bottom makes for amazing fundamental voice leading. As you get more advanced, there’s room for variety but this is a GREAT place to start. :)
What about the dope ass Monk voicings?
+magentuspriest lol soooooon
If you are using extentions you should say the complete name of the chord.For example, for G7 you are using G13.
Use substitutes
How come you add the 9th in all the chords? I must have missed the explanation sorry
Back up and watch my videos about how to accompany yourself and it should make sense. The short answer is that when we play jazz, it needs to sound interesting and rich. ;)
Thanks for the reply! Yeah I was gonna add "other than spicing up the chords" but I actually thought that was too obvious of an answer aha.
I love your channel by the way! I've been watching your videos (among other online teachers) and I've learned a lot from you in particular. You speak to your audience in a clear, concise manner and show examples. Definitely earned my subscription, great job !
While I am a big fan of this channel, (and this is actually my favourite video) I have to say that I disagree with the use of the natural 9th and 13th on the Am7 and D7. Why stray any farther from the original key than absolutely necessary? Barry Harris backs me up here: th-cam.com/video/3V2eNh8qWVo/w-d-xo.html
Most pianists I hear just play the root instead of the 9th on the Am7. (It's really just an alternate for the I chord).
Sorry for being so nitpicking. I love the channel and respect your playing.
What is that app you are using and is it available for Android?
IReal Pro and yes
@@AimeeNolte thanks sooo much!! Love your tutorials btw.. U really have a way with words. It's really a joy to watch and listen to. Thanks for all of this. "All of you" lol
What is the name the art piece?
My mother in law painted it of me when I was 21
What scale were you using to solo at 8:20?
Why add a 9 and 13 when it says G7?
Jazz pianists started doing this back in the forties and fifties. It’s because it’s interesting, mostly. There is some tension and dissonance.
Can't I just add the root note in a cluster pattern?
Of course, but I prefer to make sure people learn to do it this way before they start being creative with voicings. In my experience it’s just good to start with basic habits that work.
It’s possible. You need a second camera, like an ipad..
This seems so simple and yet ... are there rules whereby the 9/11/13 are favored over the 1/3/5/7 ?
MaestroDaae Will you look a little further down in the comments, for me? I had this conversation with someone already and I think it might answer your question perfectly. Durvish was his name, I think
ah yes ... thanks, found it ... time to hit the keys (!)
enjoyed your music programmes however cant see EGAD (7th ,9th, 3rd, 6th) resolving nicely from the two and Five positions you used in demonstrating first couple of bars of "But not for me" the C (5th) should be on top as it resolves better. and is commonly used in 4note left hand two five ones for the key of F major. sounds more like the One of Key of C Major
Is it just me or Aimee is just the hottest piano teacher. Love you mami. Thanks for this.
blowing my mind that your playing these chords and the root not just isnt there o.0
You are very pretty. Especially when you sing.
Your lesson, of course, assumes your students have mastered a rudimentary knowledge of intervals in all keys.. You'll display, for example, a Fmaj7, but you'll play an E G A D as comp, and since I've been noodling on the piano for awhile, I instantly know you've played a 7th, 9th, 3rd, and 6th (you called it a 13) as comp for the Fmaj7 , but are your students as well versed in intervals that they can easily follow you? Switch chords , and the numeric values for each note switch to the key of the chord, not the key of the song. So, I'm assuming your students are intermediate/advanced. I played guitar for 45 years, so I know the notes, but piano, though I've been noodling on it ( just for composing purposes ) I haven't taken the piano that serious, which is why I find your lessons informative, filling in gaps in my learning. BTW, i much prefer the G7 over the Gm7, and i believe that was Gershwin's choice. I'm for learning the lyrics because singers know where they are in a song by lyrics, more than "a section, b section, etc". like musicians do.
I think I stay in the video that this lesson is a little more advanced. I have a video called, “jazz piano - where to start, “that is a good one to begin with. I also have a video called “jazz Bible “that is a very good one to start with too. I am glad my videos have helped you fill in some gaps. Thanks for letting me know and keep up the good work!
Hahaha megadeath