@@williamschaeffer409 that's awesome I love Conrad Amanda I would feel the same way about Bruce but he's really biased towards HBK especially when it comes to the Brett conflict and especially when the "boys" are clearly in one side and everyone knows Shawn a deuche bag at the time....it's like just stop Bruce lol
1:24:15 mannnn as a kid I used to go to bed so bummed out knowing the only time my parents would buy a wrestling ppv was for my birthday. Sometimes I would watch it scrambled because at least that way it was like listening to the ppv on radio lol does anyone else remember doing that? You were always the man when you showed up at school the next day knowing what happened on the ppv and everyone would want to know.
I used to do the exact same thing! With my birthday being early February I was at least able to watch the Royal Rumble every year as an early gift. Thanks mom and dad!
33apeiro mine was in late February! And we always had winter break that month so No Way Out was the ppv I got to order. I vividly remember having a sleepover for No Way Out 2000 and watching the Cactus Jack vs Triple H hell in a cell match. Good times.
I did this exact thing throughout 98. Listening while watching static. My parents only bought me the royal rumble in 98 on ppv, and that was it. Ever. So many ppvs were listened to instead haha. I specifically remember listening to Fully Loaded which was better than watching it if I recall correctly haha.
I watched it live but the picture was fuzzy. So many PPVs were watched by my brother and me on cable that way. xD~~ I love how you watched Vince and his cronies help The Rock all night without realizing it.
I remember ordering this on PPV when I was living in San Francisco. I was 13 years old and me and my cousins were watching this I actually enjoyed this survivor series
To me this is one of the best podcast ever. I love when Bruce goes into deep stories about the behind the scenes and when he doesn't want to do so Conrad keeps on pestering Bruce until he sort of gives in. Love you guys. Saved my life. Lost my Mother and Sister, June 1st and June 10th respectively, and listening to Conrad and Bruce makes me laugh all the time.
Gotta admit that Bruce has a point about the meltzer ratings. A match doesn't always have to go long and be 5 stars, if it helps to move a story throughout a show along
The best part was only the crowd pops??...bullshit! The stone cold vs Vince McMahon feud was off the chain and Kane vs undertaker storyline was badass and the ministry of darkness was awesome. Stone cold vs The rock was awesome, mick Foley vs undertaker was awesome, the edge Christian vs the Dudleys vs the hardys was the best of tag teams ever, alot amazing storytelling....alot amazing shit in the attitudes Era that no era can touch including now.
yeah it for sure is one of the best part a lot of the attitude era is just painful to watch. it had amazing moments but overall it is kinda bad and is so 90's.
I was there in the tenth row. My fourth live WWF/WWE event my first TV and only PPV I’ve ever been to. This was the only survivor series that they did not have the elimination tag team matches instead it was a 16 man tournament for the title.
The whole stone cold/vince photo cover photo made me Crack up more than I can remember since listening to since episode 1. Love this stuff! God damn, pal!
It's funny, Bruce says Vince hates tournaments (which I believe) and they had to sell him on this one, but it's the 5th tournament the WWF had done in 11 months: - Light heavyweight title tournament (December 1997) - King of the Ring (June 1998) - Brawl for All (Summer 1998) - IC title tournament (October 1998) - WWF title tournament (November 1998)
Conrad I'm with you 96/97 was fucking awesome...so much better than even 98 and forward ...the fact that WCW was kicking ass at that time makes people think differently
This was a really juicy episode so much to talk about. I love Bruce shitting on Meltzer for not understanding that the Bossman-Austin match was a angle not a match. Also he's so toque in cheek when pretending that the Gilberg deal wasn't a Goldberg spoof, love it! Looking forward to the 1988 Survivor Series show. That's something of a gem.
Okay guys hear me out: Honestly guys I wish there was a way we could talk about survivor series 2003. I know y’all like to do anniversaries on this show but the 15th anniversary of survivor series to me is just as good of a topic as 1998. This episode is gonna be good the whole story about rock/Austin/Mankind/Vince will be good. I know there’s a 80-90’s bias and I understand that. But we’ve got enough episodes about pay per views from that time line for ages. Survivor Series 2003 has some fun stuff that I think we’d like to know. Examples: Kane/Shane and all the stuff that went into that storyline would’ve been comedy gold. Vince/Taker buried alive we could’ve talked about how it was takers swan song with that gimmick and we could’ve heard some behind the scenes from that. People would’ve loved that! We could talk about team Eric vs team Steve. It would’ve been a great story. I understand the 80s-90s bias you guys have and I’m not knocking you for it. I love you’re content and I’m sure this episode is gonna be good. But my point is I’m not sure if it’s because I’m in my early 20s and I look forward to hearing about modern stuff. But my point is this I feel like there is some stuff post 2000 to 2008 you guys aren’t hitting on. I love all your episodes and I love all your wrestler bios. But I feel most pay per view episodes are from the 90’s. Some of my favorites episodes ever from this show are: Survivor Series 2002. (That’s my favorite) WrestleMania 19, Bad Blood 2003, heck even unforgiven 2008 was good. I wish we’d get more stuff from the year 2006 I’d give a lot to hear about stuff that happened that year. But more than anything please don’t hesitate to talk about all the awesome stuff that happens in 2004 next year. We wanna hear no way out 2004 and I’m so glad you said you were gonna do it. But we wanna hear about wrestlemania 20 we wanna hear Great American Bash 2004, Judgement Day 2004. Just to name a few. Just a friendly (long) reminder that there’s good stuff post 90s wrestling.
Here is the thing with the Survivor Series Team Matches They worked great in the early days of the event. In an era where we had TV filled up with mostly squash matches, the Team battles were a way to get top stars working with and against each other and continue feuds without giving the big match away too soon. For example, in 1987 we had Team Hogan Vs. Team Andre which was a way of hyping that Hogan/Andre would be in the same ring together, but it doesn't quite give away the big rematch that would be saved for the next year. Fast forward to today, in an era with 3 hours Raws, 2 hour Smackdowns, and more content than any normal human being could be expected to follow, we see top stars work with and against each other all the freaking time, so the novelty is completely gone. Back in 89, I'd be like "Oh I get to see Hogan and Jake team against DiBiase! Cool!". If they were around today, Hogan and Jake would be teaming on TV almost every week leading into the PPV, probably against DiBiase in some matches, so by the time you get to Survivor Series, its like "Meh, I've seen it". The only way these matches can work today is if there is some big stipulation attached to it (like the match with The Authority's power on the line a couple years back). And I'll be honest. I don't give two shits about a Raw Vs. SD feud because neither brand gets anything anyway, so it just feels like WWE's equivalent to the pro bowl. Now, if they wanted to do Raw Vs. SD with the winning brand getting, let say, the last 10 spots in the Royal Rumble, the next year's MITB match, or something like that, then it adds a bit more fuel to the fire.
Bit of a late reply here but those are some good suggestions Patrick. I remember the authority match at the survivor series combined with Sting's debut being the last time I really enjoyed a survivor series match, shame too because of the big 4 PPVs in the WWE, Survivor Series has always been my favourite as I've always been a big fan of elimination and iron man types matches as well as the theme of the PPV being to "survive" which has always appealed to me personally. I hate the way the show gets treated as an afterthought and would love for it to become a meaningful big 4 show again like it use to be. On a somewhat off topic point, I think the theme song for Survivor Series 98 and the set design and graphics with the skull entrance way and the skull poster and the various other bits like the fire, the snake etc will always be one of my favourites, absolute love it. Another honourable mention that just came to mind would be Fully Loaded 2000 with the casino theme, I've always thought that looked really good as well. Maybe it is just because I've done a bit of graphic design and animation in the past in college so that's why I enjoy it but I do miss when they use to have unique stage designs and graphics for the different shows especially with the PPVs, it always made it feel more special to me and I wish they would do it more often.
That's a good point. That's why I like them using War Games now. If they actually committed to split rosters for a couple years without touching them, they could get back to Raw vs SD in War Games
Nope. Because the real world's champion Ric Flair still had the big gold belt during that time. Regardless of the Rumble, Flair was champ either way because that's what's fair to Flair. Woooooo
@@mattm6580 you cant count a belt that wasnt wwf sanctioned. "The so called real worlds championship belt" was considered a joke to wwf. Back then nothing but the winged eagle mattered to wwf.
actual real wrestling kinda went on "hiatus" for about 8 yrs during the attitude era, chairs, ladders, bikinis, heels, cameras, monitors, tables, stairs, vehicles, symbols, books, clip boards, laptops, sledge hammers, kendo sticks, garbage cans, dumpsters, barbed wire, tacks, cages, dogs, bats, tennis rackets, etc gimmicks, but no real serious 1, 2, 3, in the center of the ring. And I loved every minute of it! especially all the bra and panty matches, well the Brisco/Patterson one not so much, but all the ladies...oooh yeeeeaaah!
Yet it way one of the hottest time period in wrestling history which shows wrestling matches are only as good as the characters, storylines and personalities around them
Everything ended in a DQ in both WWE and wcw big matches always ended in countouts or DQs I never noticed when I was younger watching bit after hearing Conrad list off programs between guys and I watched some WCW recently in the NWO era and fucking every match ended in a big brawl with a bunch of guys running to the ring and just brawling ....
I"m a life-long wrestling fan and I watched both WWF and WCW during the Attitude Era, though I would have considered myself more an ECW fan at the time. I'm not saying there was no value to any of it, but let's face it, the reason the Attitude Era was the most popular era, (arguably, I suppose) was that it appealed to the lowest common denominator. It was mostly trash television. You can keep your biddies slapping eachother and tearing eachother's clothes off and your bikini contests... I'll take real women having real wrestling matches any day.
They did try to do too much on this card. The story with Rock turning and joining the corportation was done really well. I have to give Vince Russo (the devil credit) that was done really well. I am surprised that Vince didnt go to cable companies and not get an extra hour for the show. 3 hours and 14 matches on the ppv card was too much. There were chemistry issues for sure. No wonder cause there wasnt much time for each match. I can understand them doing Sable vs Jacqueline. There was a story there. That match was good for what it was. I hated the triple threat for the WWE Tag Team Championship. Felt like that was done mainly cause of the fact that Rock needed time to breath after his match with Undertaker. I am very surprised that they didnt do the first round on Raw starting after Judgment Day. Most of those first matches were un necessary. Not crapping on the show. It was that Vince was trying to do too much and you could tell there were problems on the show and they weren't hidden very well.
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Don't know if Bruce Prichard is aware now a days but Mr. Victor Quiñones passed away a while back in 2006. Just to get this info out there. Nacimiento: 30 de junio de 1959, Puerto Rico Fallecimiento: abril de 2006, San Juan
Bischoff lies about so much. Saying he never offered Bret a contract in '96 first, which was proven to be a lie. He also said Ric Flair had little to do with Hogan coming to WCW yet on the Monday Night Wars Bischoff called Flair instrumental to WCW landing Hogan. Those are just 2 examples but both are pretty big lies. Bischoff recalls history differently based on who he's talking to and who he's talking about.
I really don't like Bischoff in general let alone listening to his stories. I will never understand how people like him get jobs they are so underqualified for. Same thing with V. Russo.
Conrad tries to get the subject changed when Bruce or anyone else starts in on Meltzer, because it's actually hurt Dave's feelings. That's a little peak behind the curtain. Dave can dish it out, but he doesn't like anyone coming at him so he talked to Conrad and Conrad always tries to steer the conversation away from Meltzer whenever Bruce, Tony, or Eric have an opinion about him.
.... but how do you know that. Do you have a source? Are you the Meltzer of this podcast? Do you have all the fresh scoops? Will Mabel become the third member of this podcast, Kev?
he could for vince but not for eric haha. Do you believe the conspiracy theory that wwf sent russo to wcw as a plant to ruin the show? sometimes i wonder
@Bryan Mack From my research-related fumblings, Russo was taken on to a job that was basically "stay home, collect a paycheck, and don't fuck around or spill the beans" - which is exactly what happens in those scenarios. The mole gets a guaranteed paycheck for YEARS, if not life, in exchange for their silence - but they wont be anywhere near doing the same job they did when they were a mole in the first place. That's just asking for trouble. Russo didn't like his position, wanted to write, so he left to go ruin TNA some.
@@sabercrosby8128at WCW Russo had no control...literally had Wrestlers with Creative Control telling him That Doesnt Work For Me Brother...he also had a budget cut in half, AOL in meetings not knowin what night Nitro is on, Standards & Practises in meetings makin the product PG, Wrestlers pretending to be injured to not wrestle on Thunder or House shows, and then Eric came back and was literally there for a paycheck...Russo had no chance, destined for failure
If you actually watch the pay-per-view where Stone cold is wrestling mankind, You could hear Mankind ask steve “ where’s boss man” and austin says “ idk!” when he picks mankind off the matt after Shane is outside the ring
Conrad...dont stop Bruce from dissing Meltzer, it is one of the many reason we love STW...BP. it's not about what you want, it's about what we the listeners want.
"Where the Fuck is Bossman!?" - should be a shirt :-) cracked me up when vince & co are escaping the building while mankinds piano music is playing in the background. Nobody at the time saw Rocks heel turn coming. Great story
Y'know, for a show that HEAVILY featured Mick Foley as the witless accomplice-turned-patsy, he's not mentioned too terribly much in this episode. I wonder what he was doing in between his segments. Guess I'll have to buy the book.
How can Bruce say that The Montreal Screw Job is "a little too inside" to make a good finish for The Rock-Mankind match? The Screw Job was only the biggest story of 97 & continuing into 98. Even the most casual wrestling fan knew about it. I liked the ending to this & for Bruce to say it's "a little too inside" is ridiculous.
Vincent Verona That was a goofy, yet fun match. That’s when The Headshrinkers and Bastian Booger kept eating turkey. And it’s the only PPV that Ludvig Borga technically main evented.
As much as I detest Vince Russo and consider him to be a moron and a charlatan, I will grant him that the Survivor Series 1998 was really well layed-out. This has to have been his finest hour.
it's amazing how all 3 of Conrad's co host doesn't care 4 Dave Meltzer and Conrad insist on QUOTING Dave Meltzer work lol. he must really admire Meltzer
I don't appreciate putting the blame on Bossman. The dude's been "on" the entire evening and being such a big part of the event throughout the entire night. I mean, there are Pat, Brisco, Vince, and Shane all capable of doing whatever to Austin. Sure it was Bossman's spot and it was supposed to lead to an Austin/Bossman feud, but the dude was going out so often in the night, can you blame him for forgetting one fucking spot!? Sure, of all the spots to fuck up that was probably the biggest, but as Conrad said "he might as well just stayed out there all night." What, couldn't have Patterson hit Austin with a pipe or something? Shane refusing to count for Austin, distracting him enough for a roll-up by Foley which is followed by a quick count by Shane? Like that shit's not enough? Austin could still chase after Shane and they could still do the chase afterwards. All without relying on one guy who's already been involved in more matches than anyone else in the tournament.
For a veteran at the time like Bossman was it was an inexcusable mistake, especially considering it was Shane's first time in big spot and he was able to hold his composure and didnt miss a spot all night. Furthermore, since Bossman already beat up Steve earlier in night it made sense if he came out and screwed him to further the feud. It wouldnt make sense for a stooge or Vince to be able to knock out Steve (which is why weak chair shot from briscl was a lame finish) since theyre non wrestlers and for months Steve had been able to handle all them while still coming out on top. They had been intefering in ppv matches vs Foley and others all year and Steve still would keep belt and/or stun them all. Storyline wise bossman was brought in to screw Steve and protect vince from steve.
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I've cancelled my Network subscription and stopped watching TVs because I'm bored of Brock and WWEs product, no big deal I'm just one guy but they've lost a life long fan because of this bs. So no, Brock does not help sell anything other than a few suplex city shirts.
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thats literally wat im doing right now.
i hate my job.
i love bruce prichard.
I'm binge listening. I go through 2-3 episodes a shift
@@williamschaeffer409 that's awesome I love Conrad Amanda I would feel the same way about Bruce but he's really biased towards HBK especially when it comes to the Brett conflict and especially when the "boys" are clearly in one side and everyone knows Shawn a deuche bag at the time....it's like just stop Bruce lol
You’re right, I built a LEGO set while listening to this
1:24:15 mannnn as a kid I used to go to bed so bummed out knowing the only time my parents would buy a wrestling ppv was for my birthday. Sometimes I would watch it scrambled because at least that way it was like listening to the ppv on radio lol does anyone else remember doing that? You were always the man when you showed up at school the next day knowing what happened on the ppv and everyone would want to know.
I used to do the exact same thing! With my birthday being early February I was at least able to watch the Royal Rumble every year as an early gift. Thanks mom and dad!
33apeiro mine was in late February! And we always had winter break that month so No Way Out was the ppv I got to order. I vividly remember having a sleepover for No Way Out 2000 and watching the Cactus Jack vs Triple H hell in a cell match. Good times.
man story of my childhood right here!
I did this exact thing throughout 98. Listening while watching static. My parents only bought me the royal rumble in 98 on ppv, and that was it. Ever. So many ppvs were listened to instead haha. I specifically remember listening to Fully Loaded which was better than watching it if I recall correctly haha.
I did that too we were super poor so that was the only way. But my mom did get me the all day Wrestlemania. Good times.
Watched this live on ppv. What a swerve!!
Never saw it coming , great times.
me too. We knew it was the rocks time but nobody saw the heel turn coming! great ppv
I watched it live but the picture was fuzzy. So many PPVs were watched by my brother and me on cable that way. xD~~
I love how you watched Vince and his cronies help The Rock all night without realizing it.
Same 🙏🏻 One of my favourite PPVs of all time 👍🏼
I was at this show when I was 15 years old. It was amazing. Met Vince and Shane. Great memories.
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Thanks!
The shows between Summerslam 1998 and Survivor Series 1998 were the best entertainment in the history of television and ppv
For me April 98 through to WM15 was my fave time of watching wrestling.
Really fun times 🙏🏻
I really do think that's the time period that put WCW to bed. They had nothing compared to the character development and storyline WWF did
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I remember ordering this on PPV when I was living in San Francisco. I was 13 years old and me and my cousins were watching this I actually enjoyed this survivor series
To me this is one of the best podcast ever. I love when Bruce goes into deep stories about the behind the scenes and when he doesn't want to do so Conrad keeps on pestering Bruce until he sort of gives in. Love you guys. Saved my life. Lost my Mother and Sister, June 1st and June 10th respectively, and listening to Conrad and Bruce makes me laugh all the time.
Welp, I liked the Deadly Games song 😂😭
CrownCityLife me too 🤣
Yea I did too lol
Me too
Same
Gotta admit that Bruce has a point about the meltzer ratings. A match doesn't always have to go long and be 5 stars, if it helps to move a story throughout a show along
Storytelling 101, if every chapter is the climax, there is no climax
Yeah. It's like Bruce always says Meltzer doesn't know what the fuck he is talking about lol. It's his opinions. Nothing more.
@@cognitivedissonance8406your username is very accurate.
Just got off work, got a feed, time to relax with Bruce and Conrad....
Dann right, junior!
Craig Smith food.
Craig Smith u got munchies Craig ?
My favorite part of the Attitude era was the crowd pops!
The best part was only the crowd pops??...bullshit! The stone cold vs Vince McMahon feud was off the chain and Kane vs undertaker storyline was badass and the ministry of darkness was awesome. Stone cold vs The rock was awesome, mick Foley vs undertaker was awesome, the edge Christian vs the Dudleys vs the hardys was the best of tag teams ever, alot amazing storytelling....alot amazing shit in the attitudes Era that no era can touch including now.
June giovani where the fk did I say only?
yeah it for sure is one of the best part a lot of the attitude era is just painful to watch. it had amazing moments but overall it is kinda bad and is so 90's.
@@David-jc5jf Don't mind Giovani, they get a little too excited for their own good sometimes.
1:33:51 lmao Bruce WILDING OUT on Meltzer hahaha
Dave deserves that!!!
I was there in the tenth row. My fourth live WWF/WWE event my first TV and only PPV I’ve ever been to. This was the only survivor series that they did not have the elimination tag team matches instead it was a 16 man tournament for the title.
The whole stone cold/vince photo cover photo made me Crack up more than I can remember since listening to since episode 1. Love this stuff! God damn, pal!
The 24 minute mark
The rock was a made man after that event .perfect heel for Austin to beat .
I loved those secrets of wrestling things so much as a kid
Nice trivia about Randy Savage working with Shane McMahon. I did not know of that. :)
It's funny, Bruce says Vince hates tournaments (which I believe) and they had to sell him on this one, but it's the 5th tournament the WWF had done in 11 months:
- Light heavyweight title tournament (December 1997)
- King of the Ring (June 1998)
- Brawl for All (Summer 1998)
- IC title tournament (October 1998)
- WWF title tournament (November 1998)
Vince is a walking hypocrisy lol
Well Vince scrapped KOR cause "ugh fuck pal"
My favorite PPV of the Attitude era. Started the event hating The Rock and ended the event being a huge Rock fan.
Still one of my favorite wwf ppvs
Conrad I'm with you 96/97 was fucking awesome...so much better than even 98 and forward ...the fact that WCW was kicking ass at that time makes people think differently
This was a really juicy episode so much to talk about. I love Bruce shitting on Meltzer for not understanding that the Bossman-Austin match was a angle not a match. Also he's so toque in cheek when pretending that the Gilberg deal wasn't a Goldberg spoof, love it! Looking forward to the 1988 Survivor Series show. That's something of a gem.
It's a 'Deadly Game' to draw straws to see who has to use the bathroom after Vince.
I thought the Deadly Games song was awesome.
You guys are the best 👍👍
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Okay guys hear me out:
Honestly guys I wish there was a way we could talk about survivor series 2003. I know y’all like to do anniversaries on this show but the 15th anniversary of survivor series to me is just as good of a topic as 1998. This episode is gonna be good the whole story about rock/Austin/Mankind/Vince will be good. I know there’s a 80-90’s bias and I understand that. But we’ve got enough episodes about pay per views from that time line for ages. Survivor Series 2003 has some fun stuff that I think we’d like to know. Examples: Kane/Shane and all the stuff that went into that storyline would’ve been comedy gold. Vince/Taker buried alive we could’ve talked about how it was takers swan song with that gimmick and we could’ve heard some behind the scenes from that. People would’ve loved that! We could talk about team Eric vs team Steve. It would’ve been a great story. I understand the 80s-90s bias you guys have and I’m not knocking you for it. I love you’re content and I’m sure this episode is gonna be good. But my point is I’m not sure if it’s because I’m in my early 20s and I look forward to hearing about modern stuff. But my point is this I feel like there is some stuff post 2000 to 2008 you guys aren’t hitting on. I love all your episodes and I love all your wrestler bios. But I feel most pay per view episodes are from the 90’s. Some of my favorites episodes ever from this show are: Survivor Series 2002. (That’s my favorite) WrestleMania 19, Bad Blood 2003, heck even unforgiven 2008 was good. I wish we’d get more stuff from the year 2006 I’d give a lot to hear about stuff that happened that year. But more than anything please don’t hesitate to talk about all the awesome stuff that happens in 2004 next year. We wanna hear no way out 2004 and I’m so glad you said you were gonna do it. But we wanna hear about wrestlemania 20 we wanna hear Great American Bash 2004, Judgement Day 2004. Just to name a few. Just a friendly (long) reminder that there’s good stuff post 90s wrestling.
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I was 9 when I watched this ppv live... my favorite ppv even tho the people's champ sold out and went corporate
He had to
This is probably my favorite PPV i've seen so far.
I liked this survivor series and the upcoming royal rumble
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1:30:52 Bruce getting hot about Dave Meltzer gots be laughing so hard 🤣
Austin the GOAT.
Here is the thing with the Survivor Series Team Matches
They worked great in the early days of the event. In an era where we had TV filled up with mostly squash matches, the Team battles were a way to get top stars working with and against each other and continue feuds without giving the big match away too soon. For example, in 1987 we had Team Hogan Vs. Team Andre which was a way of hyping that Hogan/Andre would be in the same ring together, but it doesn't quite give away the big rematch that would be saved for the next year.
Fast forward to today, in an era with 3 hours Raws, 2 hour Smackdowns, and more content than any normal human being could be expected to follow, we see top stars work with and against each other all the freaking time, so the novelty is completely gone. Back in 89, I'd be like "Oh I get to see Hogan and Jake team against DiBiase! Cool!". If they were around today, Hogan and Jake would be teaming on TV almost every week leading into the PPV, probably against DiBiase in some matches, so by the time you get to Survivor Series, its like "Meh, I've seen it".
The only way these matches can work today is if there is some big stipulation attached to it (like the match with The Authority's power on the line a couple years back). And I'll be honest. I don't give two shits about a Raw Vs. SD feud because neither brand gets anything anyway, so it just feels like WWE's equivalent to the pro bowl. Now, if they wanted to do Raw Vs. SD with the winning brand getting, let say, the last 10 spots in the Royal Rumble, the next year's MITB match, or something like that, then it adds a bit more fuel to the fire.
Bit of a late reply here but those are some good suggestions Patrick. I remember the authority match at the survivor series combined with Sting's debut being the last time I really enjoyed a survivor series match, shame too because of the big 4 PPVs in the WWE, Survivor Series has always been my favourite as I've always been a big fan of elimination and iron man types matches as well as the theme of the PPV being to "survive" which has always appealed to me personally. I hate the way the show gets treated as an afterthought and would love for it to become a meaningful big 4 show again like it use to be.
On a somewhat off topic point, I think the theme song for Survivor Series 98 and the set design and graphics with the skull entrance way and the skull poster and the various other bits like the fire, the snake etc will always be one of my favourites, absolute love it. Another honourable mention that just came to mind would be Fully Loaded 2000 with the casino theme, I've always thought that looked really good as well. Maybe it is just because I've done a bit of graphic design and animation in the past in college so that's why I enjoy it but I do miss when they use to have unique stage designs and graphics for the different shows especially with the PPVs, it always made it feel more special to me and I wish they would do it more often.
That's a good point. That's why I like them using War Games now. If they actually committed to split rosters for a couple years without touching them, they could get back to Raw vs SD in War Games
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"You want to play fuckie fuckie? " DEAD LMAO
Aaaaah, I was there in dallas for the go home show.
Me too, I was like 10 years old man
Bruce, Lesnar already had the belt hostage for 18 months. He does not need to keep holding it more......
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Wasnt wwf without a champ in 92 when Flair won tbe Royal Rumble??
Yes.
Thanks to Hollywood Hogan
Nope. Because the real world's champion Ric Flair still had the big gold belt during that time. Regardless of the Rumble, Flair was champ either way because that's what's fair to Flair. Woooooo
@@mattm6580 it was a tag team championship belt by Survivor Series
@@mattm6580 you cant count a belt that wasnt wwf sanctioned. "The so called real worlds championship belt" was considered a joke to wwf. Back then nothing but the winged eagle mattered to wwf.
"There's no real wrestling matches on this show." -The Attitude Era.
actual real wrestling kinda went on "hiatus" for about 8 yrs during the attitude era, chairs, ladders, bikinis, heels, cameras, monitors, tables, stairs, vehicles, symbols, books, clip boards, laptops, sledge hammers, kendo sticks, garbage cans, dumpsters, barbed wire, tacks, cages, dogs, bats, tennis rackets, etc gimmicks, but no real serious 1, 2, 3, in the center of the ring. And I loved every minute of it! especially all the bra and panty matches, well the Brisco/Patterson one not so much, but all the ladies...oooh yeeeeaaah!
Yet it way one of the hottest time period in wrestling history which shows wrestling matches are only as good as the characters, storylines and personalities around them
Everything ended in a DQ in both WWE and wcw big matches always ended in countouts or DQs I never noticed when I was younger watching bit after hearing Conrad list off programs between guys and I watched some WCW recently in the NWO era and fucking every match ended in a big brawl with a bunch of guys running to the ring and just brawling ....
I"m a life-long wrestling fan and I watched both WWF and WCW during the Attitude Era, though I would have considered myself more an ECW fan at the time. I'm not saying there was no value to any of it, but let's face it, the reason the Attitude Era was the most popular era, (arguably, I suppose) was that it appealed to the lowest common denominator. It was mostly trash television. You can keep your biddies slapping eachother and tearing eachother's clothes off and your bikini contests... I'll take real women having real wrestling matches any day.
Yes even though the best 2 matches of all time happened in the attitude era
This is when I first started learning more about austin. Still was watching nitro at the time
i think deadly game was better than world war 3 but 1998 was a hell of a year for both companies
patrick ruth yep WWF was putting out a much better product with the man Eric Bischoff fired. Hope you made the switch right there
Cause it's a Deadly Game....
🎶 Deadly Game 🎶
They did try to do too much on this card. The story with Rock turning and joining the corportation was done really well. I have to give Vince Russo (the devil credit) that was done really well. I am surprised that Vince didnt go to cable companies and not get an extra hour for the show. 3 hours and 14 matches on the ppv card was too much. There were chemistry issues for sure. No wonder cause there wasnt much time for each match. I can understand them doing Sable vs Jacqueline. There was a story there. That match was good for what it was. I hated the triple threat for the WWE Tag Team Championship. Felt like that was done mainly cause of the fact that Rock needed time to breath after his match with Undertaker. I am very surprised that they didnt do the first round on Raw starting after Judgment Day. Most of those first matches were un necessary. Not crapping on the show. It was that Vince was trying to do too much and you could tell there were problems on the show and they weren't hidden very well.
🎵Roll the dice, play your cards,
Break the rules, that's who you are,
Whoever said play it safe never played the game.
Too many players but too many pawns,
So many judges say what's right or wrong,
Let them jump into the fire if they want to play.
'Cause it's a deadly game that we play as we live our lives,
When we say what is on our minds,
Play it now before the game is over...🎵
I was at the Raw the night after this show in Ky. Great show
I was there too in Lexington I was 12 years old, great show stone cold vs the rock for the title
Y'all was TURRNT /loud AF that night 😆 ,I had that Raw episode plus hella more from the AE on VHS #goodTimes
Adam Pearce was part of that show as well. He was Ben-Hurt. Mike Modest was Private Pain. Christopher Daniels was Slither.
Disagree with Bruce and Conrad - Deadly Games had a great theme featuring New York rapper AZ. It was like a prelude to the WWF Aggression CD.
Legit popped @ conrad 'I like hunter now' lmao
Don't know if Bruce Prichard is aware now a days but Mr. Victor Quiñones passed away a while back in 2006. Just to get this info out there. Nacimiento: 30 de junio de 1959, Puerto Rico
Fallecimiento: abril de 2006, San Juan
01:28:39 the most epic comeback in the history of the squared circle
So much better than 83 weeks
I can't believe anything Bischoff says but that's just me
Bischoff lies about so much. Saying he never offered Bret a contract in '96 first, which was proven to be a lie. He also said Ric Flair had little to do with Hogan coming to WCW yet on the Monday Night Wars Bischoff called Flair instrumental to WCW landing Hogan. Those are just 2 examples but both are pretty big lies. Bischoff recalls history differently based on who he's talking to and who he's talking about.
I really don't like Bischoff in general let alone listening to his stories. I will never understand how people like him get jobs they are so underqualified for. Same thing with V. Russo.
Bischoff likes hearing himself talk too much.
Yep. Eric Bischoff always comes off as an insufferable prick, and I don't believe a word he says.
The best Survivor Series ppv event ever, is still 2002.
Conrad tries to get the subject changed when Bruce or anyone else starts in on Meltzer, because it's actually hurt Dave's feelings. That's a little peak behind the curtain. Dave can dish it out, but he doesn't like anyone coming at him so he talked to Conrad and Conrad always tries to steer the conversation away from Meltzer whenever Bruce, Tony, or Eric have an opinion about him.
.... but how do you know that. Do you have a source? Are you the Meltzer of this podcast? Do you have all the fresh scoops? Will Mabel become the third member of this podcast, Kev?
@@fuzzydunlop7928😂
Good shot boys!
If you're not 27th you're last!! Greetings from the best city in the world Buffalo ny
Conrad make a podcast with jim cornette
@@NumberOneGar The correct response. Thank you, fuck you, bye!
(clears throat)
Well...You Know
And Eric says Russo couldn't write longterm storylines....
he could for vince but not for eric haha. Do you believe the conspiracy theory that wwf sent russo to wcw as a plant to ruin the show? sometimes i wonder
@Bryan Mack From my research-related fumblings, Russo was taken on to a job that was basically "stay home, collect a paycheck, and don't fuck around or spill the beans" - which is exactly what happens in those scenarios. The mole gets a guaranteed paycheck for YEARS, if not life, in exchange for their silence - but they wont be anywhere near doing the same job they did when they were a mole in the first place. That's just asking for trouble. Russo didn't like his position, wanted to write, so he left to go ruin TNA some.
@@sabercrosby8128at WCW Russo had no control...literally had Wrestlers with Creative Control telling him That Doesnt Work For Me Brother...he also had a budget cut in half, AOL in meetings not knowin what night Nitro is on, Standards & Practises in meetings makin the product PG, Wrestlers pretending to be injured to not wrestle on Thunder or House shows, and then Eric came back and was literally there for a paycheck...Russo had no chance, destined for failure
If you actually watch the pay-per-view where Stone cold is wrestling mankind, You could hear Mankind ask steve “ where’s boss man” and austin says “ idk!” when he picks mankind off the matt after Shane is outside the ring
This PPV is such a contradiction. On one hand it's an amazing story. On the other the action is CRAP (Minus Austin Foley and Foley Rock)
they packed a lot into 2hours40mins ppv. 18 matches including heat. Fans defo got their moneys worth wow
An Austin/Regal match would have been fun. I thought Regal should have won by forfeit!
Bruce starts it 49:09 and ends at it 49:26. LMAO
Conrad...dont stop Bruce from dissing Meltzer, it is one of the many reason we love STW...BP. it's not about what you want, it's about what we the listeners want.
"Where the Fuck is Bossman!?" - should be a shirt :-) cracked me up when vince & co are escaping the building while mankinds piano music is playing in the background. Nobody at the time saw Rocks heel turn coming. Great story
“There they go skipping Gayly away the whole group of them. The McMahon family have nothin to be proud of here”
i was in the building the night of rocks turn
Where you watching, taking a shit, or working at the bulding
Reanimated_Dead_Flesh he was cleaning toilets and heard the crowd noise
Why didnt foley tell hbk triple threat sux for mania 20
Y'know, for a show that HEAVILY featured Mick Foley as the witless accomplice-turned-patsy, he's not mentioned too terribly much in this episode. I wonder what he was doing in between his segments. Guess I'll have to buy the book.
How can Bruce say that The Montreal Screw Job is "a little too inside" to make a good finish for The Rock-Mankind match? The Screw Job was only the biggest story of 97 & continuing into 98. Even the most casual wrestling fan knew about it. I liked the ending to this & for Bruce to say it's "a little too inside" is ridiculous.
Deadly games song is memorable. What does Conrad know his generation is destroying everything?
I hope they do Survivor Series 93 one day. That has to be one of the most so bad it was good PPV’s of it’s era.
Vincent Verona That was a goofy, yet fun match. That’s when The Headshrinkers and Bastian Booger kept eating turkey. And it’s the only PPV that Ludvig Borga technically main evented.
the last one i really enjoyed was 2003. Would love an ep on that one.
Saber Crosby SS really went down the toilet by the late 2000’s.
Vincent Verona Don’t forget the Smokey Mountain tag title match. Too bad the fans didn’t care about it.
i remember the thanksgiving poster with lex,tatanka and the steiners eating the turkey. SS 93 had a special feel to it
Who reads comic books, about 60% of your audience
Since Shane was the referee, when Bossman missed his run in, why didnt Shane just do a fast count?
As much as I detest Vince Russo and consider him to be a moron and a charlatan, I will grant him that the Survivor Series 1998 was really well layed-out. This has to have been his finest hour.
What about the stunt granny! on secret of pro wrestling !
She was the plant right ?
Anybody going to point out that it’s Game not Games
I'm so sick of all the creative people from the 90s being forced to apologize to a stupid generation before they get canceled
Good podcast
it's amazing how all 3 of Conrad's co host doesn't care 4 Dave Meltzer and Conrad insist on QUOTING Dave Meltzer work lol.
he must really admire Meltzer
g24deez meltzer is a complete weirdo. Such a strange person
Creep with me as I crawl through the hood
Why do I love survivor series 98 so much ??? 🤔🤔😁
‘Cause it’s a deadly game
Sable with the WWF title... Hahaha imagine that
Yeah that was a pretty big blunder, not sure why Bruce didn’t correct him
bruce truly doesnt follow mainstream sports. he said he didnt know why shaq was in houston.
Nerd alert.
Bruce rules
I like J.J Dillon's podcast...
1:37:17 = LOL!
Shane McMahon is okay in small doses. When he became Billy Bad Ass, it became a joke. And his punches are shittier than his father’s booking.
Only thing shittier than Shane-O's punches is your comment.
Is Deborah McMichael Jerry Jarrett in drag? Going by the voice lol....
I don't appreciate putting the blame on Bossman. The dude's been "on" the entire evening and being such a big part of the event throughout the entire night. I mean, there are Pat, Brisco, Vince, and Shane all capable of doing whatever to Austin. Sure it was Bossman's spot and it was supposed to lead to an Austin/Bossman feud, but the dude was going out so often in the night, can you blame him for forgetting one fucking spot!? Sure, of all the spots to fuck up that was probably the biggest, but as Conrad said "he might as well just stayed out there all night."
What, couldn't have Patterson hit Austin with a pipe or something? Shane refusing to count for Austin, distracting him enough for a roll-up by Foley which is followed by a quick count by Shane? Like that shit's not enough? Austin could still chase after Shane and they could still do the chase afterwards. All without relying on one guy who's already been involved in more matches than anyone else in the tournament.
For a veteran at the time like Bossman was it was an inexcusable mistake, especially considering it was Shane's first time in big spot and he was able to hold his composure and didnt miss a spot all night. Furthermore, since Bossman already beat up Steve earlier in night it made sense if he came out and screwed him to further the feud.
It wouldnt make sense for a stooge or Vince to be able to knock out Steve (which is why weak chair shot from briscl was a lame finish) since theyre non wrestlers and for months Steve had been able to handle all them while still coming out on top. They had been intefering in ppv matches vs Foley and others all year and Steve still would keep belt and/or stun them all. Storyline wise bossman was brought in to screw Steve and protect vince from steve.
I disagree with Bruce a lot but I love it when he gets hot and shits on Meltzer.
I really hate that RAZE energy drink ad...just why??...... put some pants on
Vince Russo did alot of things right. Jim Cornette voted for Biden.
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1:41:13 HAHAHA.
LMAO !
I've cancelled my Network subscription and stopped watching TVs because I'm bored of Brock and WWEs product, no big deal I'm just one guy but they've lost a life long fan because of this bs. So no, Brock does not help sell anything other than a few suplex city shirts.
WWE needs to do a Best of Russo DVD or Network Original. Everybody knows the worst stuff.
Doot doot doot!
Bangs on Dave Meltzer, but never says what he reported was wrong.