For Todd, if the proposal was the only stunt he pulled I'd not react the way OP did. But also think about the countless number of times he must have snatched the spotlight or done something inappropriate. I feel the building resentment of OP just burst out and in the most petty way🤌
That is exactly what I was thinking, the groom wasn't just getting him back for the wedding, but also the baby shower and probably years of other crap. I don't think he took it too far.
Plus, I feel like if he wants to be the center of attention and steal the spotlight from his siblings, he won't have any problem doing the same to his wife and child.
I think OP took it too far because let’s not forget there are children involved and not only that, he was also punishing OP’s girlfriend who was an innocent party in all this. Let me reiterate that the person truly suffering behind this is OP’s kid (which btw is being kept from him) parental alienation is not cool.
My thing with Todd is that he cried to his parents, parents defended him saying he wasn’t going to actually propose and that OP was being judgmental and then OP relented and was like, fine but don’t propose or you’ll regret it, to which I assume Todd was like yeah okay, I won’t. And then HE DID. He deserved it and he deserves no contact.
My only problem with this one is that there is a child involved. The fiancé won’t let him see his son because she thinks he cheated. That’s messing up a innocent kids life. I do believe he should have gotten him back but not to the extent it involves a child not seeing their father.
I think that whole story is fake anyway. That "receipt falling out of the pocket" thing is just too convenient. Sounds like something that'd happen in a movie.
Yeah he might deserve it but does his kid deserve to have a strained relationship with his father and to see his mom and dad fighting all the time over this? The kid didn’t do anything wrong.
Not only did “Todd” purposefully and specifically choose his brother’s wedding to propose he also chose to do it during the father daughter dance, not only taking away from his brother’s wedding but taking that moment from the bride and her father. He absolutely deserved it in my opinion.
He totally deserve it but I'm worried abt the kid... I completely forgot that they had a kid and thought they were just dating... but the kid?? The child may grow up without a father is unfortunate for him...
That's the part that got me. Even after he told Todd not to do anything, he went a did it during one of the most special moments for a bride at her wedding. If someone ruined my daddy-daughter dance I'd kick them out on the spot. Not a F will be given.
I do feel Todd deserved this cause honestly he was warned something bad would happen I do feel for the child. Growing up with a single parent let alone without a father can be rough but it may be good that the child doesn’t learn this behavior from Todd because they would grow up learning to do the same things as him
Last story shout-out to the unnamed gal friend who spent the entire wedding man-marking Todd, poised and ready to announce that she was pregnant with his baby, and did so knowing full well there was a STRONG chance she’d be b****-slapped by Lucy, and DEFINITELY need to leave the wedding immediately after the scene, yet was still willing to take one for the team and do this for the couple. What a friend! 😳
@@audrawells1383 Ye, that is a thing with a type of smaller actors and actresses to take up smaller roles filling a space in a story someone needs to create.. in this case a female side piece for "Todd," they usually are willing to do a lot of different types of roles albeit not a super risky one, they're still humans.
I think a LOT of people have a sort of Stockholm syndrome with their family. They seem gaslit into not trusting their gut and believing their family isn't that bad. I had a friend like this in high school. Her bedroom was literally a closet off her little brother's room and she waited on him and cooked family dinner after school. I could never convince her that things were not right. In a way I think those of us with very obvious and undeniable family issues are better off. We can make a clean break and feel mostly okay about it. Those with more passive aggressive families just can't seem to shake them.
I soo wish when I got married o didn’t invite majority of the people I did invite! My cousin made things delay and not run a smooth and I don’t even like her, just felt she had to go! Another cousin I wanted to go couldn’t because another cousin I didn’t like HAD to go (according to my family) I felt bullied into inviting people! I never even wanted the big wedding, I wanted to go abroad but my husband wanted ot so I did it! After he said “we should of got married abroad” 😡🔥🤬
You also have to think about the fact that Todd has been the golden child forever to the detriment of both OP and their sister. He has spent years preening over mommy and daddy giving him everything and not giving OP and sister what they need. They wanted ONE DAY EACH. They wanted THEIR WEDDING DAYS. Their parents and brother couldn’t even give them that. OP’s NTA and warned Todd he would regret messing up yet another milestone.
@MsJubjubbird If she wasn't like that before they got together she probably dodged a bullet. If she's the same way she deserved it too. The only one who didn't deserve it is the baby but thats what they get for not being safe and having a stable enough relationship in the first place to be bringing a kid into the world.
@@MsJubjubbird I disagree. You're forgetting she ruined the baby shower. And she was happy to take the attention from someone else on their wedding day. If my husband would have tried to propose to me at someone else's wedding I would have stopped him and been very upset. So she had it coming as well and deserved it as well. Also What other thing could have been done to ruin the proposal that would only affect Todd. You're forgetting Todd has OPs parents on his side no matter what. So it had to be a type of revenge that makes it looks like OPs not involved and that also somehow doesn't hurt the baby shower stealing 304. Attention seekers are literally some of the worst people on the planet. They deserve whatever vengeance is rained upon them honestly. It's just karma.
Ok. I tend to agree with the original post. The main points that stick out to me is the sister, Abby had a baby shower. Todd's baby momma could have simply attended introduced herself to the family and followed up with a lunch to announce a baby. But also, she could have also waited for Todd to propose before announcing a baby. There are reasons why there is a phrase "shotgun wedding". The reasons are babies on the way. 2nd. Groom did not want Todd as his groomsman, nor did he even want him at the wedding or reception. He already knew what to expect. He relented for the sake of his parents. Promises were made and promises were broken. I wouldn't have hired an actress to make that kind of accusation. And, if I was an actress, I wouldn't take that kind of job. Having said that... Damn. All of this could have been avoided if groom stuck to his guns and dropped Todd as groomsman and uninvited him to the wedding. The lines were already drawn. They would never do the family reunion thing or holidays thing again. Todd would have proposed on his own. Now, the parents at least have their eyes open to how Todd treats his siblings. He legit broke his promise to his parents and his brother by NOT waiting for a different day. He could have proposed the day after. Or... He could have done something with his GF'S side of the family to propose to her in front of her family and friends. Nope. He wanted himself and his GF to get dressed up and have photographers and videographers and a ready to go crowd of people. Then he chose the bride's dance with her father as the time to do it. It's not petty. It's standing up to emotional blackmail and bullying to move forward in life with Todd no longer in it. And if sister Abby is mad at groom... Perhaps she should be the one to tell Todd's GF it was a prank. No punches were thrown. No property was damaged. Lies were told to avenge promises made that were never intended to be kept. Somehow, I think the parents will still end up siding with Todd instead of groom. And that will be the real eye opener. Lines have been drawn. They will be forced to see they were always standing on one side of the line and treated the other children unfairly to favor the 1.
I agree. Todd had it coming. His girlfriend’s behaviour at the shower is also appalling! Todd was warned and told not to do. He did it anyway. This is the consequence!
I'm not about taking revenge myself. You reap what you sew happens on its own. One thing tho, it is a brilliant way for her to get him to pay for half the wedding. She did present him with a bill and she'll prob make him pay it before she'll clear his name.
I think part of the reason the last guy went with the nuclear option on his brother is cause he's had to deal with a LIFETIME of this. It's not just revenge for the wedding, it's getting back at him for making growing up with him so difficult.
Aside from marrying my best friend, the father-daughter dance was THE MOST important part of my wedding. It was the only part of the wedding that I had actually imagined since I was small. My father sang to me while we danced, not loudly enough for the whole party to hear over the music but just to me. I'll carry that memory with me until my dying breath. Todd got what he deserved imho.
At first I was like “oh that sucks for Todd’s baby moms.” But remember how she announced her pregnancy at the sister’s baby shower!! They both deserve it. This was a lesson that Todd had coming. He was warned, he ruined the bride’s dance with her dad, now he has to pick up the pieces of his raggedy life.😂💁🏾♀️
Yeah, being reminded of the baby shower changes things. Originally I did feel a bit bad for her, and especially the baby, but now I just feel bad for that kid with such shit parents.
This I don’t think the child deserves to have his dad taken away from him that’s just plain wrong but that’s down to the mother, even if this was true she doesn’t have the right to keep a child away from their father, why would you want to deprive your own child of a dad 🤯
@@lixxielou9747 well, yes and no. Just imagine what kind of father Todd would be. Attention seekers use everyone they can. Todd won't stop now that his brother and sister both don't have big parties coming up anymore. He'll use everything his kid will do to make himself center of the attention. And I don't see any way how a kid could be happy with parents that won't think about their child. But yes, even if Lucy is upset, she should think about her kid. Very clearly she doesn't care about the kid's feelings, she only cares about punishing her ex(?) boyfriend. I think both don't care about the child that much - which is very sad in itself.
My husband and I got married in a Tuesday at the courthouse. I wore my dress and got my hair done. Our parents knew and spread the word if people wanted to show up. Some did. We had dinner after at Olive Garden. A month later our family decided we needed a reception. We said we didn’t need one. They planned it and invited people I haven’t seen since I was a kid 😆 no cost to my husband and I, the family got there party and we got gifts!! I say we won the wedding.
That's so sweet! It's nice to hear a cute wedding story after all the drama. (Not that I don't enjoy the drama... but I need a dash of wholesome yknow) congrats!
I got married in a courthouse, too. Turns out Narc stbx has no friends and wanted to alienate my friends. I'm never falling for a covert narc again. Just because it is a low budget courthouse deal doesn't mean they don't have a cluster b. Yikes.
My husband & I were married alone by the phenomenal hippy Howie on the beach in Hawaii. I didn’t have to worry about anyone else, we saved tens of thousands even after living it up in Hawaii for weeks, & my photos look like they belong in a magazine. To try to appease all, we had an engagement luau for friends before we left, staged wedding pics with family at a fancy place, & had a boring formal reception for family after we returned. People will always complain but this way the people who mattered were happy & enjoyed our day! 💞
@@LyannaDelore yeah but no one said it would last because it was small or low budget so why are yall responding as if they did? Sounds like you just wanted to trauma dump tbh.
As an older person let me give younger people some advice. The thing you will remember about your wedding day is the people you're with and the moments spent with them. That's what sets the tone of the whole day, the people. If there are people who cause you stress in your life leave them out. This is a day about making you and your SO feel happy and special, not about meeting social expectations. It's YOUR day, not your family's.
14 years ago, I worked in a company where our bosses established a culture of helping one another. Whenever a colleague gets married, all of us are free to come but we have to pay for our meal (there’s over a hundred of us). I was the creative guy so I offer photography for free. My other colleague is a good make up artist, another one is a good host, we also have singers and another is a good coordinator, all for free as a gift to the bride or groom. My bosses always give the most fancy gift to the couple. It all worked well for everybody and everyone who got married in that company ended up with a really fun and amazing big weddings. For over 4 years I have worked there, I have done 4 weddings and those couples felt so blessed to be a part of that company. Already left the country and my boss, those colleagues and I are still good friends. It was a lovely experience.
Last story: No sympathy for LUCY, either. Remember, she announced her pregnancy at Abby’s baby shower. Lucy and Todd are two of a kind, both desperate for the spotlight, especially at other people’s expense. She can’t legally withhold access to the child without a court order, so let them figure out their own mess. Go with “It was just a prank, bro, sorry you don’t have a sense of humor, you’re too sensitive,” ONLY if he pays the invoice you sent. As ye sow, so shall ye reap. Sorry for the kid, but he has two crap parents anyway, and is likely in for a lifetime of them making his celebrations and accomplishments about them anyway, this is a blip on the radar.
i'll be of a sliiightly different opinion here, just for conversation: the only reason why i'd think she went to far in her revenge is that it affected the kid, who is an innocent third party. Even if his parents are insensitive jerks, i'm pretty sure it would still hurt to have divorced parents. Imagine the kid learning the whole story when he's older: "my parents got divorced because they weren't respectful at my aunt's wedding and my aunt took revenge on them by ruining their marriage" (LOL ok yea they reap what they sow, tho it also makes the aunt look bad) At this point, even if she does apologize for "going too far," how can she be assured that Todd and Lucy won't take revenge for her revenge? I mean, the situation clearly didn't help them apologize for their actions. Nothing was resolved; only escalated. Isn't that why revenge isn't usually worth it?
Side note: Exactly once have I seen someone propose at someone else's wedding. *However!* it was with the bride & groom's permission, and it was during the bouquet toss. Bride pretended to wind up, then handed it to the guy, who came over and gently led his girlfriend out of the pack of grappling bridesmaids, handed her the flowers, then knelt down and pulled out a ring. *That* was a sweet moment (that was okay with the newlyweds) that didn't step on the toes of anyone else. Bonus sugar: the newly engaged girl then handed the flowers off to another girl who they knew had really wanted to catch the bouquet.
coming from someone who has experienced this kind of behavior and knows who is the favorite child, if there have been years of stolen and ruined moments made by this person, then this one single moment of revenge is most likely needed to end the abuse.
I got engaged in 2018 and we planned a long engagement and set the wedding to be in 2021. When we started to put a guest list together to get ahead on the planning covid hit and we took that opportunity to have a much smaller wedding and use covid as the reason to not invite the entitled and toxic family members. We had an wedding in May 2021 with 45 of the best and nicest friends and family. Went from having an almost 200 person wedding to a drama free small group of people who wanted nothing but to share in the love 😄
We had like 95 guests 11 were mine (8 family members and 3 friends) and rest were husband's. It's really hard to make cuts. I mean, mine was simpler because neither side of mine likes to attend. My aunts did come, left after food (which i knew and i didn't care what time people left),my uncle didn't because he had silly beef with mom. Didn't invite my other uncle because honestly i don't really know him and his looks and social skills resemble forest troll. Didn't invite my grandma because she was horrible person. It was very easy to keep her out of loop. I just told mom and aunt that they can say I got married at city hall with only witnesses (which was true. Only invited parents and siblings) Didn't invitr cousins. Because dads'side they are 10-15 years older and mom's side 10-15 years younger. Uncle's kids i do not know (because his silly beef with mom). Aunt of that side had her youngest with her, he was 9 and we had fun. Husband has big and close family. So it was uncles and aunts and cousins and their kids. Everything went well. Only 1 drunk ah (husband's side)
As it should be! Weddings these days are absolutely ridiculous. They aren't intimate sacred vows anymore. They are production pieces with all of the meaning of a Broadway play.
The last story. Yes the punishment fits. I have a sibling like that. Gets everything they want shows no gratitude to our parents demands everything be her way. Sometimes you are so violently sick of them ruining your life you pull a stunt like this to say “B*tch this ain’t your playing field anymore”. I think it was absolutely brilliant and that his bride went along with it is even more golden. You are NOT the A hole!
I feel it's taking it too far. Hiring the woman to ruin the proposal is one thing but not wanting to clear his name even after the wedding and permanently destroying his brother's relationship with both his gf and child? He's also punishing the innocent by breaking the child's family.
def the a hole ur ruining a whole marriage and a childs relationship with their father, the children may grow up thinking their father never loved them and have trauma all bc this person wanted to be petty
Just gotta say this is always my thought to this story too. This takes it too far because of the collateral damage. This doesn't just hurt Todd it hurts Lucy, and it hurts their baby child who is completely innocent even if the argument could be made that Lucy was also deserving of some revenge for the baby shower thing. This would be the sort of story that if say a friend in the future told me they'd done this, I'd never be able to see them the same way again because I just couldn't get "that poor kid though" out of my head. You've always got to mind the splash damage on revenge plots - if more than just your target is equally hurt, it's too far and to me it just makes OP read as being just as self-centered and heartless as Todd in the end, damaging three lives to get back at one.@@Tasha9315
@@Tasha9315 He should apologize. How hard is that? Say the words: "I apologize for not listening and going ahead with my plan against your will, on your special day". As long as he is stubborn, there is no need to save him from the grief. Narcissists deserve grief, when they do not apologize.
The brother went through with his proposal because he was sure he would get away with it. I think the only possible way to make him feel the consequences of his own actions was to totally annihilate him, or his parents would just have protected him lol that was so satisfying
Completely agree!! I can’t understand how some people are weird enough to think proposing or announcing something at someone else’s event is EVER appropriate, but the OP specifically told him “DO NOT PROPOSE AT MY WEDDING” and he went ahead and did it anyway! The fact that he has kids changes nothing - it might even be a good thing he is away from them incase he is passing on his bad behavioural habits to them.
My only problem with the revenge that guy pulled was that it effectively dragged an innocent kid into it. His brother was out of line, arguably so was the brother's fiance, but their kid did nothing and is now likely going to grow up in a broken home with little-to-no contact with his dad unless the truth comes out.
@Ælla Tew that's not the OPs fault though. That's the dumbass MOTHERS fault. What kind of mother would keep a child from their father just because he allegedly cheated? Just because he supposedly cheated on HER doesn't give her the right to do that. Idk if we can blame OP for that part. Todd should've thought about that shit
That last one is so hilarious 🤣 no this punishment doesn’t fit that EXACT crime, but when you consider that this Todd has done shit like this to OP AND HIS SISTER THEIR WHOLE LIFE the punishment was not enough
The fact that Todd was WARNED not to do anything during his brother's wedding, promised that he wouldn't & then proceeded to propose at the wedding, DURING THE BRIDE'S FATHER/DAUGHTER DANCE!!!! And Lucy, announcing her pregnancy at the sister's baby shower?! Dude, I don't think he went petty enough!!!! Todd deserves it!!!
If Lucy thought it was ok to announce her pregnancy at the sister's baby shower, she is just as toxic as Todd. So she won't even see the problem of getting engaged at someone else's wedding. Thinking of the child, I would phone Lucy and tell her everything. There are consequences to your actions and now she and Todd have experienced it.
That last one, considering the behavioral pattern and the lack of remorse from the brother, I would say it's well deserved. The brother had also said to the parents that he wouldn't do anything but he did anyway, so he's also a manipulative liar. If OP backs down now, he'll have to put up with the nonsense until end of time. Some people needs to be fed some of their own medicine.
But now he doesn't get to see his child. That means his child is being punished for his father's behavior. The child did nothing wrong and does not deserve this punishment.
@@hollyd.4793 Todd had COUNTLESS chances to alter his behaviour in the lead up to this one event, but just like the most likely over 50 times he did something like this before, he didnt. That child is better off without a father figure like that to be honest
@@hollyd.4793 If he stomps on the boundaries of his family, he probably isn’t much betting to his child. He’s probably that dad who only acts like a father when it’s convenient to him. If mama is keeping child away from Todd, maybe she has other reasons, than him “cheating” … which he probably has multiple girls on the side anyway, just not *that* girl. Everyone else are just supporting “actors” in his life.
That last one was diabolical and I loved every minute of it. The audacity to do this at a time that wasn't really as significant for the groom but was poignant for the Bride. A moment she would remember forever and is now ruined because you want to be petty! He got exactly what he deserved!!
But his girlfriend was innocent in all that and didn't deserve to be the tool used to get revenge on him 😒 That poor woman went through something all of us are terrified to go through. Nobody wants to find out that the man you love, may marry one day, AND are fucking PREGNANT with his child on top of that. Yes it was fake and cleared up eventually...but not for FAR too long... never should have even happened, but they took it WAY too far. Its not just HIS proposal that will be a horrible memory for the rest of his life, hers is ruined too obviously 🙄 Even if they have a new better proposal, the scars of that day will likely never leave their relationship, and maybe even sabotage the whole relationship itself. There stuff someone lied about to my husband when we were first together, and yes the scars of that shit have never stopped being a sore topic. It caused mistrust for years when it was proven false and I hadn't done anything wrong. They could have easily came up with another way to get revenge without hurting innocent people
@@joziesundstrom7660 she's not innocent either. She announced her pregnancy on Abby's babyshower, stealing attention from the mother-to-be. And Lucy was not even family!
@@joziesundstrom7660I know someone already told you, but you missed the part where she literally stole the spotlight from a mother to be's baby shower by announcing her own pregnancy. Even if she didn't know about the proposal, she still ruined a special occasion for someone, it's most likely the same pain as someone proposing DURING the father/daughter dance. Both of them did something very much wrong to that person and op just gave them what they deserved. But I do have to agree with another person that the child is most definitely in a lot of pain now due to op's actions on the two. But they got served what they deserved so, it's ultimately their fault for that. I do hope the child is doing ok after it all though.
I shared the last story with my mother, who always lectures our family about taking the higher ground, don’t stoop to their level, etc. She 10000% AGREED with the groom’s plan!! And we’re on the same page: there would be no punishment if there was no crime. The brother was fully warned, given plenty of space and time to make better decisions, and chose to be selfish. He only suffered by his own hand and no one else’s. His actions impacted his kid, not the consequences he now suffers. Had he behaved like a decent person, not only would he still have everything, but some complete stranger would have simply enjoyed a beautiful party and free food!
I think for the last story the reason the groom went so far is because this isn't the first major moment his brother has ruined. Announcing your own pregnancy at your sister's baby shower is so rude. Then to get warned not to propose at your brother's wedding to go on and not only do it but do it during the bride's moment with her father. That's just next level rude without discussing first. Hopefully his brother learned from this. He seems like he would have continued to ruin everyone's special moments for eternity if this hadn't happened to be honest .
@@holliehopewell4306 I'm sure he will spend his child's life ruining the child's moments too. This guy sounds like a narcissist and that is what narcissists do. The only moments that kid will have will be centered around dad with the kid as an afterthought.
@@karentorngren5102 mums the exact same as the dad and that's stated but I don't see you moaning about her. None of that is any reason for him to be banned from seeing his child now is it? If you really believe it is then your name is perfect for you.
With the last story, I think the only other option OP could have gone with was having someone spill wine all over both of them when they saw what he was trying to do. That would probably be the option I would have gone with, but he definitely deserved what happened. He was warned and he decided to do it anyway.
As some one who has lost her father. My wedding is some of my best memories of my father. For context he never walked after my wedding. So for some entitled brother to not only take the spot light form a father daughter dance, but also to do the same at my sisters baby shower he deserves all he got.
I definitely understand that. My partner and I have chosen not to get married as we both have lost parents and feel that the day would end up being all about those missing. Having said that, I do think it's unfair that the revenge affected an innocent kid's relationship with their dad. I wish OP had found an option that didn't involve getting a kid's life blown up.
That was a master piece! And I agree that if Todd was sooo worried about his kid, he would apologize, beg, do whatever necessary to get OP to tell the truth. That’s what’s expected of a father! But I honestly wouldn’t have thought of this option myself! I think I would have ruined his “surprise” before the wedding… maybe even at a “big event” like a rehearsal dinner… wait for the perfect moment and announce in a loud voice to the gf that Todd has bought a ring and was going to propose! I wouldn’t wait till the wedding. Specially because OP already knew Todd was gonna ruin it. Yes, Todd got what was coming to him, but he still managed to ruin the father daughter dance! As someone that has lost a father, these moments mean the word to me! I would be in tears… can’t imagine the fiancé! I would be so mad that I could be the one pretending to be Todd’s side piece just to ruin his proposal and OP wouldn’t even need to pay me! 😂
Yeah that too would be a way to ruin it so he could not ruin the wedding. A bit of a safer option. But he could have always said that "he would have never proposed during the wedding"
since todd and his gf are attention seekers, they would find a way to get attention during the wedding anyway... maybe transforming the wedding in a surprise double wedding...
@@acaciaeugenia4386 That's so right. People who thrive on attention would still try to steal the spotlight. Even if OP tried to push Todd's hand before the wedding I could still see him and Lucy trying to jump on the spotlight at the wedding
I think the side piece prank fits the probably years of build up and then the explicit warnings ahead. But after a couple weeks I think OP should tell Lucy about it. Not for her since she and Todd obviously deserve each other, but for their kid and OP's relationship with his sister, which is now tense as well. After that it's for Todd and Lucy to figure out.
When my wife said our wedding was going to be child free, I was against it, but she held firm, thus I relented. I now agree with her 💯%. If the bride/groom are fine with kids, fine, but I now agree weddings are an adult thing primarily. If only for a chance for the parents to get an actual break from their kids and let loose a little.
We only had 1 kid at our wedding. It was my now SIL, who was born, when my husband was in his teens already and which I knew since she was about 3 or 4 years old, so she's like an actual little sister to me. She was 10 years at that time.
I think this is true of most weddings (unless you want a family BBQ in the back yard). Children today are not taught to sit quietly through a ceremony, nor do they know how to behave nicely at a reception. It's just a sign of the times.
What sums it up about how toxic Todd's brother is, was that the guy PROMISED their mother and Todd that he would NOT propose during the wedding - but Todd, despite these promises, was so SURE his brother could not resist a little wedding sabotage, did not hesitate to plan and execute a complex payback, (all while preparing for his own wedding and honeymoon). He had complete utter faith in his brother to be a louse.
Exactly. I'm 99% positive that if Todd had actually kept his promise and not proposed at the wedding, the fake side piece would've just been another guest. Just had a slice of cake and headed off. But he had to go back on his word and not just propose but steal the spotlight from an incredibly important moment for a newlywed (a dance with their parent) at which point OP flipped the switch. With justification.
No he did warn his brother that if he did something bad he will regret it. The OP knew Todd will propose on his wedding despite his promises because he knows him since they were kids and Todd is the type of guy who always steals the spotlight. So, ummm if you couldn't predict your sibling's behavior, are you even siblings??
These stories are the reason why my husband and I got married at the court house. 😂 we were going to have a reception in a venue, but so glad we decided not to do that either because with the way people were acting entitled beforehand..we canceled the reception and took a trip with our hard earned money instead. People were extremely upset and called us selfish for taking the trip instead of paying for the reception with our own money which we had to because both of us came from families that didn't have much. However after emails and messages and texts with people requesting certain meals, drinks, and even people requesting a limo to bring them to our reception, we just said "nope" . It was too much!
I put no children on my invitations and 95% of the guests were fine with it but a couple of my husbands friends weren’t happy with this. I found out that they were going to bring them anyway so I uninvited them. I really enjoyed the aftermath. They then tried to convince other friends not come and not tell us but that didn’t work. One guessed who rsvp’d yes rang me that morning saying we don’t have a babysitter and thought I’d let their kids come but I just said oh what a shame, we’ll see you another time then. Our wedding was absolutely wonderful with no screaming kids.
Love when they try to pull that "We don't have a babysitter" when they've known MONTHS in advance and very obviously could get a babysitter for the night. Did they honestly think you were going to throw your rules out the window for them?
I also didn't want kids, but really we don't have that many around, in the end we have 4 kids one 13yo that I'm godmother of, my 10yo sister and two kids of my husbands brother one was few months and second was 2yo, place that we had wedding had special place for kids, totally on another side, from dancing and our table, so I actually saw like two times this little ones and they were quiet, and they were there like for 4h and they took them and go to room and older ones were practicaly a teen age so no problem with them. But I was on weddings that had so many kids that it was scary , like do much chaos and soo loud, so for me I agree with you. But I also didn't have problem, like anybody with kids didn't even dare to ask if he could take them if they ware not on invite. And with situation like getting call on last minute if they can take them bc they don't have babysitter, like serious? Nobody around me would do that, we would get call "sorry we can't come bc suddenly we don't have babysitter" like I don't know if it is a culture think or simply world goes in this way that people feel like they are the most importand but yeah. Event from my perspective, I don't have kids, but if I would have I wouldn't take them to wedding, even if they were invited, bc sorry but with kids you can't really get lose and totally relax, you have on mind that you have kid with you, you have to look our for them and look so they don't do something to ruin wedding...
We also planned for a wedding with no kids - we were mid-twenties and none of our friends had children yet, and five of my husband's simblings had no issue with it. The sixth (a sister he hardly ever talks to) was terribly disappointed with us and of course brought the kids on the trip with them, and then had to try to find babysitters. The kids came to the rehearsal dinner and totally took over what we had hoped would be an adult event, but whatever. Then his sister actually said to him "If it's about the gift, we'll give you double if the kids can come". Are you kidding? In the end, they gave us two handmade christmas figurines. So... if the kids came we would have gotton four? How can you not understand that we wanted our wedding to be the most grown up and elegant night of our lives... not like dinner at Chuck E Cheese.
I love what happened to Todd who was warned AND promised not to propose! Also it seems that he matched quite well with dramatic Lucy, who won`t even question his "affair" and is just as attention seeking as him, since she announced her pregnancy on Abby`s Baby Shower. These two deserved this punishment and if their relationship would be better or they were smarter, they could just contact the actress and confirm that she war hired...
1. I need Charlotte as a bestie. ❤️👑 2. Todd deserved it. After ruining so many moments for his siblings, and the fact he ruined the father/daughter moment during the wedding, wtf did he expect? He rightly got his justice served.
Yea i mean, how's he ever gonna learn if he never gets any consequences for his actions?! Sure it's a little mean, but I also think it's well deserved since he had EVERY chance to not do it.
He's also had every chance to apologize & beg his brother to tell the truth. Instead he just complains about the consequences. Not really dad material there when your pride is more important.
8:36 im not sure if the op even realises it, but this payback wasn't just for the proposal, this was payback for a lifetime of his brother being a d!ckhead! The fact that he knew he would do it anyway, hire someone to wait in the wings just in case, and actually have to use her, just goes to show how well he knows his brother. Thus, if he thinks this was needed, he knows him better than us and I'm going to go with you did what you had to 😁
Agree 100%. The spoilt douchbag bro will never learn 'cos he's a narcissist...& the parents have enabled him. He also has never, ever apologised for anything he's ruined. Good call, re the actor in the wings, from older bro who has made his stand & will never get shited on by his douche bro ever again.
I agree. The punishment WAS an extreme for a reason! KNOWING he was going to have to use the person he hired must have been heartbreaking to begin with. He had to have “hoped” that he wouldn’t need to, all the while knowing it would come down to this. This reaction absolutely shows a lifetimes worth of building resentment and anger. I feel that there was a lot more going on before all of this too.
Lucy hijacked Abby’s baby shower, and Todd hijacked his brother’s wedding (after specifically stating he wouldn’t). Yeah, it’s harsh what happened to him, but it’s harsh what they did. I have to wonder about their relationship if they can’t even discuss the proposal incident. Because it does seem very coincidental that a side piece would be at the wedding, waiting for the proposal. So if their relationship can’t survive that, how strong was their relationship to begin?
@@YoungForever7168 I am confused about the hiring timeline also, because he said he ignored his brother's frantic calls to clear his name until he returned from his honeymoon. (Also, re: previous comment - the girlfriend can't deny him access to his biological children over this. Especially if he's on the birth certificate. He can take her to court.)
@@heidikickhouse- I think she didn't have the baby yet. So if they are broken up, and shes still pregnant. When it comes time to have the baby, yeah she can have the kid with her last name and no father on the birth certificate.
The last one…was beautiful. It felt like the last and final straw type of energy and I’m here for it. And Todd deserved all of that. And if I was him I would of straight up called my parents out that they created and raised Todd so all of that is also their fault too. Accountability has to be taken from ALL angles.
Yeah, but......the girlfriend and their child is innocent, they didn't do anything wrong. That poor poor woman did not deserve to have that HORRIBLE gut wrenching feeling, that she has been getting cheated on for God knows how long... and is losing the man that she loved so much and possibly wanted to marry, WHOSE CHILD SHE IS ALSO PREGNANT WITH! It's disgusting to put an innocent woman through all that bullshit, just because the man didn't listen and save the proposal for another time!? Ridiculous is what that is in my opinion. Yes it may have been eventually cleared up.. but that awful feeling will still linger a while and may affect her trust in him subconsciously. Seems like its not really worth the revenge honestly. They could easily have found another way to "make him regret it" without hurting people who didn't do anything wrong, and possibly cause irreversible damage to a relationship. There was of course the whole thing about her announcing her pregnancy at that baby shower, but it's so stupid to hold that against someone as a testament to them being a "bad" person. A baby shower is just to celebrate your pregnancy and give some gifts for the new baby. It's a little event in my opinion, it's not like it's an actual wedding like what the boyfriend did. (Which was a dick move and a half) but she didn't ask for that. She likely felt so happy and excited for herself and the other girl, and just really wanted to tell people. Probably got caught up with that feeling of excitement everyone had for the other pregnant lady and wanted to add to it. I don't personally see anything wrong about doing that. In fact I kinda feel like it's snobby to be so upset and offended over it like they seemed to be
You're not looking at the even bigger picture. They all dodged a bullet w the brother. He's clearly a narcissist and would do that to anyone. Narcs dont care who they hurt. So long as it goes their way. They are evil, energy sucking vampires that you should never tell anything special to. It's best to leave to them alone.@@joziesundstrom7660
@@joziesundstrom7660it seems like the girlfriend might be as bad as Todd. Remember that she announced her pregnancy at thay baby shower. The only one I feel bad for is the child
For the last one....normally I'd say it would be too far. However, he was warned, and the gf had the nerve to announce her pregnancy at the sister's baby shower, and now the engagement. So I'd say this was a very pent-up revenge that was long over due. No contact for sure. Toxic is toxic.
My only issue is that they're a child involved. I don't disagree with what he did. I just disagree with not clearing it up after the fact. You know, give it a month or so, then tell the girlfriend the truth. But make it clear he's are only telling her the truth because he doesn't want their child to suffer, and let her know if she tripped to tell anyone else in the family the "truth" he'll just deny it all and say how crazy that is. Like sort it out so the kids doesn't suffer. But as for the rest of the family, I'd let everyone who was at the wedding believe that Todd was a cheating POS for the rest of time. Dude deserves that. Todd definitely deserves what he got. But that poor kid caught in the middle doesn't deserve to lose a parent
@@bottomofastairwell The only person hurting the kid is the kids mom. She's disgusting for weaponizing his child against him. She deserves a slap in the face tbh.
@@bottomofastairwell.....agreed.....and tell Todd's gf that it would be great if she could convince Todd to apologize to Brother, s-i-l, sister, and parents for his entitled unacceptable behavior.......
I understand how some may feel like it was a step too far but it just may be the step needed to make Todd AND their parents to realize just how wrong it is for Todd to keep taking these moments in his siblings’ lives. Edited to add: I ❤ you Charlotte Dobre! Your videos are a much needed laugh after a long day.
Alternative revenge for the wedding (last story): I would have informed every guest beforehand that Todd would propose and to please ignore him completely at that moment. Like, not even sparing them a glance no matter what they do. Attention seekers want attention. Make it a point that the moment is for the dance and that no matter what they do, it is NOT THEIR MOMENT.
I'm from a typical large African family. Mother's family has over 300 people. Father's family is the same. There's no way I could please all those people(90% of whom I don't know). I grabbed my man(American who only has his mom, sister, and two nephews) and dragged him to the AG. An hour later, I was on social media letting everyone know I was married. No wedding stress😅.
Honestly, I was in the same situation as Todd. Was born with complications, had to go in and out of the hospital for 2 years, and was spoiled by my family and relatives. I also have 2 much older siblings (8 and 9 years older). That said, I would never be so entitled as to take the spotlight from my siblings... but the problem is, it was kinda what happened which led to a somewhat strained relationship with my brother; the middle child. He was also spoilt before I was born, and since I was born with many complications, my parents had to focus their attention on me. I honestly, wondered why he barely talked to me when I was younger, even though our eldest (my sis) and I were close. Now that I'm older and completely understood, I feel horrible, even though it was technically not my fault. I'm already 24, and am still barely able to talk to my brother. I know he loves me, because even though he's not very expressive, he does show that he cares, but you can just feel the distance... I am trying to fix this, but my anxiety often makes me second guess myself. I want to be close with my brother like any normal family, so the thought of Todd driving a wedge in his relationship with his siblings for attention makes me angry. He's definitely done this type of sh*t for years both intentionally and not. While it may seem drastic, considering what other things he did, I think the revenge is just right, he was warned after all. He's selfish and I don't even know how he could live with himself and not even apologize. As for his (I assume) ex and thier kid, while the kid was definitely innocent, the girl definitely wasn't. Who announces their pregnancy at someone else's baby shower?! I think they're cut from the same cloth.
I think you should rephrase this. It doesn't sound like you TOOK attention just you needed more. It can cause the same resentment but it's not from your effort unlike Todd. I hope you and your brother can work things out.
@MamaMOB I said what I said because that is how I feel, not because of how others see it. To me, it isn't about how it happened, but the result. At the end of the day, I did take the attention away from my siblings. After all, my parents had to leave them for weeks or even months to take care of me. Still, thank you. I know my brother, pretty well despite not talking to him much. He's just a little too stubborn for his own good, and I'm a bit too timid when directly addressing familial conflict; 2 traits that don't mix. But, as I've said, it's getting better. 🙂 It's just a little disheartening that he gets triggered by the things I do, yet completely fine when our eldest sibling or our cousins do it, that's all.
I think it would help to have a candid, open conversation about it. IT IS SCARY BEYOND BELIEF TO DO SO lol and I totally understand. But the same thing happened to me, except I was on the other side. My sister had a SIGNIFICANTLY better childhood than I did, and she incurred only half the trauma that I did. But none of it was her fault; it was my parents and older siblings that were just horrible (less so my mom, she was trying her best as an overworked single mother; the rest, they were complete pieces of s***). We grew up f***ing hating each other. I spited her for how well she got treated over me, and she spited me for resenting her. We were also pitted against each other by our dad and siblings quite often, which fueled the fire. When I was 19, I moved out and went no contact with everyone in my family for two years. After I opened contact with them again, things got a little better with my sister and my mom. When we were older, I think I was maybe 26 and she was 25 or so? We started getting along a lot better, and she actually came to my defense a lot when I was being judged or criticized by my family. One day we were talking, and it just kind of all came out. We talked about all the things we'd gone through as children, and I told her things I went through that she had NO IDEA about - many of them to protect her. After that, we practically became best friends. It was extremely difficult and took us a lot to get to this point, but it was SO WORTH IT. At the end of the day, I had always wanted a close relationship to my sister, and I loved her so much; but I was so overcome with the envy and resentment of how we grew up. As an adult I was able to separate the two - it had nothing to do with her (even if she was a little s*** about it sometimes lol, she was just a child), and it was all on our parental figures who caused so much stress and trauma to us. Being in therapy has helped even more in working out those complex feelings. All of that is to say, you probably don't need to go through all the mess that my sister and I went through lol. But having a straight up, candid, "I'm sorry you went through what you went through as kids, and I feel like there's strain between us because of it but I want to be closer to you," or something along those lines, will make such a huge difference. It might seem hard to believe, but I'm absolutely sure that he's waiting for something like that, too. I'm sure he wants to be closer to you, too, especially because you indicated that he loves you and watches out for you despite the rift.
When my now wife and I were planning our wedding.... Her mom and stepmom began making plans for the reception that we didn't approve of. The two of them don't like each other. So they were going back and forth, trying to out do one another. I forgot to mention.... I was the one paying for EVERYTHING! After constant fighting. And horribly upsetting my future wife....we called off the planned ceremony and reception. And got married privately within the courthouse!
My son and DIL (will be keeping her even if worse comes to worse), are getting married today at 4pm. They fixed the cost of the reception and wedding by doing a potluck, genius. She made her wedding cake, decorations, etc.. It's beautiful and I'm impressed.
Congratulations and prayers for a lifelong marriage of friends! Enjoy the addition to your family (as it sounds like you will) and soak up the memories.
I will be doing the same thing!! I already told all my guests to bring their favorite dish in lieu of a gift. And I got a ton of donated centerpieces and decorations. It’s going to be a boho up-cycle type. I’m excited, it actually looks so good already.
My brother flew from California (our home state) to Missouri (my current residence) to be at my wedding. It’s about 1800 miles from California to Missouri. I was touched, and it made it the most perfect day. It was a small intimate wedding, immediate family only. Which was exactly what we wanted. I had a lot of family and friends upset about the wedding so they all decided to skip the reception because of it. Which was fine by us, we still got married and I had my parents and all my siblings there to celebrate with and it was more than enough!!
About the todd/lucy thing... i do think its a little odd how quickly she (lucy) believed that todd was hooking up with the random hired lady. Since apprently they were close enough to get engaged, she could have given him the benefit of the doubt but instead chose to immediately throw his things out. Makes me wonder if there were already some trust issues between them or maybe she was already sus of him maybe cheating. Seems more like the pregnant claim was like a last straw deal. Just an observation though
On the other hand, if she was the kind of person for cheating to be a deal breaker, upon being confronted with what seems like proof, it'd be hard to dismiss. Usually the easiest, most obvious explanation is the correct one. Who would ever assume the fake mistress was a paid actress?
@@yabi333 Not just his number, OP states he "messed with Todd's phone to incriminate him", which would indicate he either added her to his contacts or added several (potential sexy) photo's of her to it (even more important detail then her having his number) The actress effectively showed up with receipts to back up the cheating claim, granted Todd was being set up with fabricated receipts, but those would be more then enough to warrent his gf believing he cheated on her
My aunt and uncle had the best wedding. It was a Labor Day barbecue, and per family tradition all of our close family and a good portion of our extended family was there as well. No one knew anything was going to happen, so about an hour in, half of us are in the pool, my aunt says "Hey, there's going to be a wedding out back if anyone wants to come see it." They had a little arch made out of balloons, my dad only knew because he's a lawyer and was able to do the paperwork for them on short notice and officiate for them (My mom nearly murdered him after she found out for letting her go to her sisters wedding in her swim suit) and it was hands down the best wedding experience I've ever had.
That is one of the BEST wedding experiences I've ever heard about! How beautiful, and joyful. Think of all the bridezillas who spent $100,000+ of daddy's money to have a "perfect" wedding, only to have uncomfortable guests and miserable wedding party friends who couldn't wait for it to be over, so they could forget about it. Your aunt and uncle, on the other hand, created such a wonderful event that those who attended will never stop smiling as they remember that happy day! Brilliant!
I originally planned our wedding to be an engagement party with a surprise wedding but people are weird and would only make time for an actual wedding so if I wanted people there I couldn't surprise them 🤣🤣
That last one got me VEX on a Sunday. Todd got what he deserved! He’s been interrupting his siblings moments for as long as possible and his parents never taught him that his actions have consequences. The world doesn’t revolve around him. Aside from not being able to see his child, he got what was coming. This was a master mind level of Revenge. This was a whole Megatron level of revenge and I’m all here for it.
12:20 Not only did he ruin the wedding, he was specifically approached BEFORE the wedding to not do exactly what he then did despite promising the contrary. He entirely ignored everyone else's feelings, and not for the first time. He lied. I am sorry, he deserves it. What a self-centred piece of work.
At first I was surprised that lucy never thought of the possibility that the 'proof' of cheating could be fake and was a revenge action by their victims. But then I realised, that for her, the power to harm family members is the most attractive feature of Todd. So, that power being broken disqualifies him for her. I think the question whether OP went too far with his revenge, should not only consider the plain circumstance, that Todd proposed during the Father-daughter dance of OP's wedding. There is Todds live long attitude of showing dominance by ruining as much as possible for his brother and sister. And their parents enjoying that. And that after all that, the parents already accused OP for claiming that Todd wanted to propose. Apparently, according to them, Todd proposing at OP wedding, was so horrendous, that even this dominance addicted asshole whould not do that. And then he did. Given the history, this probably has happened before. Denying OP and sister defence against Todd, because the accusation is too horrendous, and by doing that, allowing Todd to do excactly that horrendous thing. So OP and sister are not treated as members of the family, but as enemies. So they have the right to fight back.
@@realglutenfree ^^I was thinking about this when OP said that Lucy announced her pregnancy at Abby's baby shower.... like, that wasn't Todd, it was LUCY.. she has to be at least somewhat like him / okay with that kinda sh*t to do that to her SIL....
And it's not OP's fault that Lucy was vindictive and kept Todd's kid from Todd. Lucy sounds like she would have found any excuse to dump Todd the first time he disappointed her. Narcissists are like that.
Todd proposed even when he was told not to and did it during the Father Daughter dance just to be petty. He got what he deserved, it's not like he wasn't warned!
Not defending Todd, but he wasn’t warned. He was never told his life was going to fall apart just because he decided to ruin a dance. Sure he was petty, but the OP was being equally as petty. It’s not like he damaged anything at the wedding but yet the OP is still demanding that he pay half of the bill. Sure he was a jerk at the wedding, but the OP was being even more jerky and he ended up pretty much ruining his life. See what I’m saying here?
Every time I watch your wedding videos I'm glad my husband and I got married in a small wedding. I mean small; it was basically my aunt (the notary public), my mother, and two witnesses who were friends of my aunt. Their son took our wedding photos. 7 people counting my husband and me. We had a religious blessing two years later, the same thing, just my mum, aunt, his sister, his mum and dad, and our baby, who was just turning one. Zero stress saved our money. Total bliss, this year we celebrated our 25th anniversary.
I would love to see an episode of nuclear (petty) revenge stories 😊. Also, Todd was warned and proceeded to disregard and disrespect is brother and his new wife so…you cannot control how someone react/respond. He (Todd) had total control of his decision though 🤷🏽♀️
Totally. I mean, he'd already been told that it wasn't OK. It would've been bad enough if he'd done it without asking, but doing it against his brother's wishes and at a key moment for his SIL- so disrespectful!
That story about the entitled cousin making demands for the wedding is exactly why my partner and I will be having a small wedding with only immediate family and close friends. We had initially wanted to have a bigger wedding, but both our families are toxic and we agreed it would be best to have something smaller.
I had about only 15 ppl at my wedding, my husband’s and I close friends and family, was at the house, we decorated, had cake afterwards and it was a lot of fun, no drama, nothing bad happened, and we had the best honeymoon because we were able to save for it.
My family is toxic and even if they weren't, they're all a bunch of alcoholics who would for sure get wasted and ruin the party. Only thing is I don't have any friends either so he's going to have a decent amount of family AND friends and my side will be practically empty. I don't want to be depressed on my wedding day so I'm determined to make some friends.
If I ever get married, it will be family only. My parents (if they’re still around) my sisters, nieces and nephews and probably great nieces and nephews, too, because why not? And the clergy who performs the ceremony. That’s less than 20 people right now (on my side).
We did close friends and close family. Our rule was if we hadn't seen someone in more than 2 years, they wouldn't be invited, family or friend. It's not that we don't like them, it just didn't make any sense to spend the money and deal with the extra hassle and planning.
We traveled 2 hours with a 15 month old in a suit, To my SIL's wedding. It was a gorgeous, remote, mountain location. It was beautiful. He was the only baby there because he was her nephew. It was an angel (miracle in itself). We then had to travel. An hour to the reception hall. It was a beautiful glorious day. My mother in law was in a wheelchair And she did just fine. MIL didn't want to go because it would be too hard. She had a great time!
I once found out that the guy I had been seeing had a girlfriend and new born baby. I told her. Like an hour later, he started calling and yelling because she denied him access to his kid and it was "all my fault". But nobody was keeping him from filling for visitation or idk.... not cheating. That's the closest I've got to the last story. But I didn't feel bad about it.
Yeah, but he was ACTUALLY CHEATING. You did the right thing. The last one got framed for cheating and now his kid's family is screwed up unneccesarily.
@@candacestamper6769 GUUUURRRRL!!!!.......wtf? He was with you while baby momma was giving birth to his kid?!?!?!......you did the rite thing!!! He's a total AHOLE!
Todd totally got what was coming to him. This isn’t the first time he’s ruined a family event by making it all about him. And the groom specifically addressed the issue before the wedding.
And he blatantly warned him that he wasn't going to get away with it scot-free. Sure, it was an asshole move, but like…only an asshole would be able to get the message across by that point. xD
@@loosilu Having that douche nugget as an example of what a man should be is more hurtful to a kid than knowing your father got his just desserts after being a douche nugget.
@@loosilu i grew up without both my parents and i came out good, the kid is an innocent bystander at this point, but the problem relies on the kid's parents. They're both manipulative narcissistic people, who had to learned a good lesson. There's such a word as coparenting, it's not good in away, but the kids will still be able to see both parents IF only both parents can come up with a plan on how to deal with the situation they are on (especially since it was their own doing since the brother warned Todd about his behavior before the whole thing even happened.)
As the older sibling I was always told by my mother to be the bigger person. 25 years later and sometimes you just boil over. I would have been so unbelievably livid that my own sibling ruined my new brides most intimate and special moment of her wedding. You seriously couldn't have waited one more day? He deserves what he got.
I got married at J.O.P. We had 5 people with us, gave them individual boxed cupcakes with our names and wedding date on them with a goodie bag and drove off for the weekend. Best thing I could’ve done. Stress free. Still married. 🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰
Right? I’ve been married for 35 years, we came from a small town so everyone in town was invited. No telling people what hair color to have, or what colors they are allowed to wear… all the small shit people worry about now is so ridiculous!
My first wedding was at JP, with just my brother and SIL. We went to a friend's garage sale immediately afterwards, then went home to the house we had just rented to arrange furniture and unpack boxes. We were poor, in other words. The marriage only lasted a year and ended in disaster, but at least the wedding only cost $75! By disaster, I mean that the only surviving video of that day, the video my SIL made, is part of an episode of "Unsolved Mysteries". I have a dvd copy but haven't watched it in 20 years. It's never good when your wedding video is narrated by Robert Stack.
I heard from a lifelong friend that when she and her (now ex) husband were planning their guest list, he noticed that my family was right after her parents and siblings. Note: our dads were college roommates. Our moms were each other’s maids of honor. I was born eight months after my friend, and her brother was born six days before my sister. We… see each other as family. Sharing clothes and the like. Her then-fiancé did not understand this. This Close Friendship our families have. His first reaction, apparently was to ask my friend, “Why you want her (meaning me) to come? Is she going to wear that weird black scarf?” I still have this black scarf, and I don’t wear it everyday now, but I used to. I’d tie it in place, and let it trail down my back. It was my Statement. This actually led to my friend not talking to him for a few days because she was that mad at him. She told him “All of my siblings will be invited! My three sisters and my brother.” But… they are divorced now (he was a stupid cheater). And my friend got the dog, so she feels she got the better option
With the Todd story... I feel like we don't have enough information to say "the punishment doesn't fit the crime" op only gave us a summary but he and his sister literally lived in a house with parents who played favorites their entire life and they were more than likely on the receiving end of decades of emotional abuse. So this stunt mY not even be REMOTELY close to being as bad as some of the things that op and his sister went through at the hands of his spoiled brother and parents who played favorites
I agree. This type of reaction only really occurs with YEARS of pent up resentment and anger from being emotionally hurt and damaged. Who knows what else all happened prior to this?
Exactly my thoughts as well. Judging Todd's selfish actions at OP's wedding as an isolated event might make OP's revenge seem too much, but I bet if we got a full recap of what OP and sis had to put up with over the decades, cumulatively, Todd got exactly what he deserved.
I think a lot of people would say punishment doesn't fit the crime because Lucy was also extremely hurt and there is an innocent kid in all of this who suddenly has one parent who absolutely despises the other. This isn't something that only the jacka$$ brother was affected by. But another commenter above pointed out that Lucy isn't completely innocent, either, what with announcing her pregnancy at someone else's baby shower. I think that yeah, OP may have taken things a bit too far, but I also think he's justified in doing it. He told the brother not to do anything, and warned him that he'd regret it if he did. Well, I'm sure he regrets it. Also, how much you wanna bet he let that receipt fall out of his pocket on purpose, with the mindset of, "OP can't stop me from doing this"?
Love watching all the wedding videos. It really does reaffirm the way I got married was the best. Registry office, our kids and (living) parents (my husbands father was no longer with us before we got married), and us. Quick pub meal afterwards and went camping with our kids 😊
I'm getting married in the fall and I've made it very clear that a certain aunt and uncle will not be invited as they will spend the whole time judging my wedding....I have a very gothic wedding planned and they have already proven to judge people (with tattoos) at my cousins wedding last year....it took some time for my dad to come to terms (his sister) but thankfully I have such a supportive mom to help him understand how terrible the wedding would become with their hostility/ comments. Definitely only invite people who matter to you not just bc they are "family"
I will never stop recommend to hire security for your wedding. Let them know whos not welcome and who to keep an eye on and you can relax. Best investment ever! They also can remove drunk unruly people that become unbearable.
For the last story, that was about a whole lot more than the wedding. Clearly 'Todd' is immensely entitled because he was already planning on doing the proposal without telling his brother, THE GROOM of the wedding, about it. He had already decided and he messed around till he surely found out. 😇😇
The groomsman spotting the receipt was a freaking miracle. Without it, Todd 10000% would have just done it with no consequence. This way, they clock it, tell OP, the brother denies it, he *promises* he won't, and then does it anyway. At least this way OP had a chance to have a plan in place. And if he'd just kept his promise, I'm even mostly sure that OP wouldn't have lit the fuse on that fake side piece.
Cute wedding story: My cousin who lives in Texas (I Florida) sent me an invitation to his wedding, even though I couldn’t go, because it was Alice in Wonderland themes invitations and he knew I like Alice in Wonderland. It was a really sweet thing to think of me 😊
That was super nice of them to do! My dad and stepmom had an Alice and wonderland themed reception, and hand crafted/painted wooden signs with all the locations from the story, and a wonderland themed cake. It was waaay cooler then the more traditional wedding vibe, anything like fantasy themed or with a literary or cool series or nerdy reference/theme that the couple enjoys just make for really really fun weddings to attend.
What a fun theme! That was one of my favorite books as a child. I had a gorgeous old copy from the 1920s that had great illustrations all through it. I especially love the Cheshire Cat, and I've always related to the Dormouse; sleepy and often missing out on things! I wish I still had that book. It was stolen during a house party, along with my beloved 1961 (the year I was born) record album of twist music. Some people! Never knew who took them. I didn't get to go to my niece's wedding but I sure wanted to. She and her wife got married as soon as it became legal in Texas. Their wedding was October, on Friday the 13th! The theme was Halloween and cute but spooky stuff. Lots of black kitties, pumpkins, and Dia de los Muertos painted skeleton decor. She has a masters degree in Theatre and works as director/producer/ actress for a professional theatre company in Dallas, so she got to borrow some fun props. I'm sure that the evangelical members of the family are still trying to find pieces of their skulls after their heads all exploded! Several of my cousins unfriended me on Facebook because of my response to their hateful posts about how my dear niece and her beloved, and all who supported their "unholy union", would be tortured in hell for all of eternity. I told them that I agree with everything Jesus said about Love and homosexuality, and I suggested that if they are against gay weddings, then they shouldn't have one... and MYOB!! 😉🌈
Babes, I've recently been to a funeral where the grandparents were annoyed at how long the wake would take because traffic would be bad afterwards and they had to go home. Mind you, the deceased was a 22-year-old who unexpectedly passed away from covid. It was something like... "how long until he's 6ft under? can't you do it any faster? there'll be traffic!"
I was invited to be a groomsman that would have required a $500 suit. I was in college and there was no way I could afford it. So I politely declined and just attended as a guest. I didn’t tell them that was an insanely priced suit and my objections to it. I just said, “sorry, I’m not in a position to buy that kind of a suit.” Plain and simple. It’s their wedding, my thoughts on the require wardrobe are irrelevant.
It's such a strange concept to me how in the USA weddings seem so over regulated and attending them so pricey. I'm German, have been married twice and have attended a good share of weddings in my life. Apart from themed weddings (There was a medieval one and guests were asked to come in medieval style costumes) I've never been asked or heard from a wedding were guests have been asked to wear a certain type of wardrobe, pay a certain amount of money or whatever. In Germany you'll get an invitation with date and time and that's that, at least in my experience. Also I've never been confronted with guests demanding such and such treatment, that's so weird!
@@sleepynightowl1550 It's a strange concept in the US, too. Every wedding I've been to has been fairly modest: the bride either had family make the dresses or chose an inexpensive option, and there were no weird expectations for guests or from guests. People who expect their wedding party to spend that kind of money are either too wealthy to know the difference, or are just plain bad at managing money and are probably going into debt for the event. Jayc's story just goes to show that there's a mature way to handle odd situations so they don't blow up to the point that they're talked about on TH-cam.
To be fair, the wedding i mentioned did not have requirements for guests. Just the bridesmaids and groomsmen. That’s why I attended as a guest. But I agree, if you’re going to require clothes that cost that much then you pay for it. But it’s your wedding, so I’ll just decline if I can’t afford to be your groomsman
You handled it well. I still don't understand why bridesmaids and groomsmen would be required to wear a certain attire though. Well, I don't understand the need for more than one groomsman or bridesmaid either to be honest. Here in Germany the bride and groom will just pick one best man and one maid of honor. Usually the best friends of bride and groom, but sometimes their brother or sister. Typically best man and maid of honor help out should a mishap or problem arise and they're most often the ones who organize some party games and surprises. But the only thing that's required of them is to stand witness to the marriage and sign the certificate along with bride and groom. They're never expected to wear special clothing or pay an enormous amount of money for anything.@@jayc222
Last story: I don't know, the first time I read this I felt like OP went a bit overboard, because not only did he mess up Todd's relationship (which I'd be totally on board with), but also destroyed a family and now that a child is involved .. I don't know. On the other hand it was by far not the first stunt Todd has pulled an OP warned him that he'd regret it, so yeah ... kinda in the middle slightly swaying towards NTA. Edit: Good point that one redditor brought up, there was no apology whatsoever, just another demand of "FIX THIS!"
A guy we hardly knew and we only invited to our wedding because he hung out with my husband's friends, annoyingly announced to all our mutual friends that him and his gf were pregnant and were having Twins and showed everyone the scans (they had only been together like 4ish months) I almost cried because my husband and I had been struggling to fall pregnant which he knew. Needless to say we didn't talk to him again.
Mentioning your gf is pregnant when a friend you haven’t seen asks whats new/up at a wedding is one thing but deciding to announce to everyone for the very first time there then bust out scans (likely no one really cares to see) is a whole other thing. It’s such an odd and extremely self-centered move to assume people care that much to see your blob baby shape when you can’t spare a thought for the bride and grooms baby struggles. Someone needs to pop his bubble.
I'm just going to say that if I had been a guest at the wedding that Todd proposed at, it would have been the best wedding ever (aside from my own). Since Todd has failed to apologize, yet still wants his brother to straighten things out for him, it is obvious he has learned nothing. His baby mama must not trust him too much to jump straight to guilty and break up their family. If mommy and daddy ever give Todd a chance to grow up, he might figure out that he can file for visitation. He probably can't handle any actual custody yet, as his parents still seem to have custody of him. Maybe mommy-daddy-Todd parenting classes are in order.
Mommy- Daddy-Todd classes 😂 I’m dying. I agree about the girlfriend though. Why WOULD she jump straight to believing it? Hmmmmm?????? That is a great question.
@@fourlittlebirds6166 I agree. I was thinking of something similar. I mean, "Lucy"/GF must be semi-gullible at least and not the smartest if she was so quick to believe "Todd" cheated. I don't think this was said in the post, but if (even if not) "Todd," after this fake pregnant ex showed up, said to "Lucy" that he doesn't know this other woman and swears that he isn't the father, and if one thinks about where "Todd" was x months ago (however many months the fake other woman was "pregnant") and what he was up to... "Lucy" doesn't seem to trust "Todd" very much or have much faith in him since she basically believes this other woman, no questions asked. Even with the other woman having his # and whatnot - because there is more than one way someone can get someone else's # and other evidence can be faked (clearly since it was done in this story) or explained in some other way.
So I actually have a really cool story about my cousin’s wedding. She invited all their family, and during the bouquet toss, her older brother stood next to her, then my cousins handed the bouquet to her brother’s girlfriend and he proposed. They had been planning it. It was actually pretty cool.
See, that's fine because it was planned with the bride, and the bride was okay with it, and it was during the bouquet toss, which is literally supposed to be a fun game to predict which of the single female realtives will get married next.
Just a PSA: you don't have to invite your entire family unless you have a good relationship with them! Weddings are supposed to be a celebration of the couple, not a source of family drama and stress! If you don't have a good relationship with someone, it's not worth it to invite them. Yes, some people may get offended, but if they don't care about you enough to have a relationship with you, then what they think about you doesn't matter.
I got invited to a wedding, was told they don't want presents just cash, was told all the guests were splitting the total wedding bill so it wouldn't cost them a cent and they had dinner menus with prices on everything down to the water. i worked with the groom for a year and we weren't even friends, i think they invited everyone they knew in the hopes of making it free or even turning a profit, needless to say i ''was busy'' that weekend and heard less than 10 people showed up.
That last one wasn’t petty revenge - it was nuclear. And I love it. Lol I’ve had it up to *here* with entitlement and even if the punishment doesn’t fit the crime, he made his own bed and I feel very little sympathy. On another note, why would Lucy be happy/say yes to a proposal like that? If I got proposed to at a wedding *with* the bride and groom’s approval, I gotta be honest.. I’d be a little disappointed that my big day has to be shared and overshadowed because the couple’s wedding memories will always outshine my engagement day memories. Selfishly, I’d rather have my own day with my own engagement event instead of sharing it with a couple’s wedding day. But DURING THE FATHER DAUGHTER DANCE?? I’d be mortified omg. Not only is that terribly embarrassing and looks super rude and entitled, it’s just straight up uncomfortable to have something like that happen while the spotlight is on someone else. I’d say no and run out of that reception hall like a bat out of hell. Not enough Pepto in the world to calm down my anxious stomach after a stunt like that Lolol
Plus Lucy was happy to announce her pregnancy during someone else's baby shower. But was surprisingly quick to believe that Todd was cheating on her (methinks he's cheated before), and now they are going to have a very nasty custody battle over their kid. So yeah... If I was the groom I'd just cut them out of my life and if the parents don't like it... Tough shit.
I agree as the GF, I'd be mortified if my BF did that and during the father daughter dance no less. But remember she also announced her pregnancy at the sisters baby shower so seems Lucy and Todd are a good entitled match .
My bf and I have been together for about 25 years ( yeah I don't get why people get married except for tax/legal reasons that's why we are not married yet). Also, im lazy). About 12 years ago we attended our friends wedding and both of them tried to talk him into proposing to me. Had he done so, I would have never talked to him again because it was their day and would have been so weird. In retrospect, the bride said she was happy he didn't for the same reason.
For the last story: My mom and I think the revenge on Todd was a but too much considering that there is a kid involved. But honestly, it was kind of deserved. He was warned beforehand repeatedly, he lied that he wasn’t going to do it, and he proposed at one of the most important moments in the reception. He paid for his entitled and spoiled behavior. Also, regarding Todd’s gf Lucy announcing her pregnancy at her boyfriend’s sister’s baby shower is a whole other level of audacity tbh. It’s one thing to announce at a blood relative’s baby shower. But to announce it on your boyfriend’s sister’s baby shower????
Honestly i only feel bad for the kid for having such dispicable parents. I hope op would look out for that kid because i dont think the mom is sane for pulling that stunt
@@hamstergal643mais il ne s'est jamais excusé de tout ce qu'il leur à fait autant à sa soeur qu'a son frère 🙅♀️🤷♀️ but he never apologies for all hè have done before for he s sister babyshower/ wedding brother so...
I'm pretty sure the side piece was told only to step in if Todd did start to propose. I feel bad for the kid yes, but Todd was warned, he has done things like this before, and he did this during one of the most intimate parts of the wedding after lying about it. He only has himself to blame. If he isn't willing to admit he was wrong then OP has absolutely no reason to tell everyone the truth. Especially with Todd's record for things like this. It's also on OP's parents as well, they catered to his selfish and spoiled behavior which led to him being the way he is now. I personally would probably have done the sane if my sibling had a track record of this.
I agree that the young brother needed a HARSH lesson to grow up already, but that was brutal , he could have thought of another way of revenge. I'm pretty sure it even effected the wedding atmosphere negatively
Yes, destroying an innocent child's relationship with his father due to a lie is fantastic! All because a dance was interrupted, a child now can't live with his father unless dragged through court.
Was it a bit too far, I think so, but like you said, the OP makes it clear that this was not the first time "Todd" has pulled something like this. I think you're right this wasn't just for the wedding or baby shower stunt. This had been coming for him for years. But, it's not fair to the kid in his relationship.
@@Steph-yz4tn Did you not watch the video? This was not just over a dance at a wedding but YEARS of resentment built up from a spoiled entitled asshat who had payback coming to him for a loooonnnng time now!
As for the last one, Hell to the YES!! Todd got what he deserved. I lived up until about 12 years ago as the ugly red-headed stepchild. And I was the oldest . ( Started when I was 9, I'm now 64.) Once the sibling was adopted, I was put on the back burner for a lot of my life. And once the sibling had their first child (bearing the family name, since he was a boy), it started happening to my daughter as well. When she looked at her cousins's piles of presents from my parents, and the one present from them to her (part of which was something I'd given my mom 10 years before), her eyes filled up with tears. All I could say to her was "Welcome to my world, baby girl." The sibling in question had destroyed things of mine, made things up about me, and pretty much got everything he asked for handed to him. I never got to taste revenge as sweet as OP's. Kudos, man!!! I get it!!
The same. I was the biodaughter with a brother like your sibling. I could be the stepchild for all my mother did to me. The difference is the made stuff went too far and almost cost my life.
My mother HAAAATED her brother for this very reason. Only boy, youngest, also in an Irish family the boy is put on a pedestal. My grandma even critized my mom for treating all her children as equal. Smh
@@caffeinatedkatie4696 How in the world??? I’m trying to imagine the words that would need to come out of someone’s mouth to say that you should vary the amount of live and care that you give to your children. That you’re a bad parent for not doing so. I’m flabbergasted. And mad. On y’all’s behalf.
@frankkiejo5560 sometimes cultural things are rooted in misogyny. My mom wasn't about that life. My grandma came from a different time and culture. Doesn't make it right but it explains it a bit.
My parents didn't like my fiancé and told me I couldn't invite any family to my wedding. I ended up having a $400 wedding. We had a Justice of the Peace and a cookout with a couple of friends and my neighbors. My parents found out a year and a half later...we let someone else drop the hint 😄😄
Omg, that actually sounds fab. I wish you both well and I hope you are happy. Weddings are so expensive and I would rather spend that time with people who love me than stress over the people who birthed me.
I have an entitled guest story from my own wedding: I invited one of my good friends and her boyfriend. I saw them during the ceremony. She kept waving at me trying to get my attention during the ceremony which was pretty annoying but then they just disappeared after that. They didn't even return for dinner. I was a little annoyed because that was two dinners that we had to pay for, even though they RSVP'd and gave their dinner order to the staff. I was more concerned about my friend than anything. I sent her a text the next day to find out what happened. Her reply: "We left because you weren't spending any time with us. I thought we were going to hang out after the ceremony but you left so fast, and took wayyyy too long taking photos. We got bored. Oh, and the appetizers were gross." I let her know that it wasn't fair just to leave since we had to pay for the dinners that went to waste. I told her that I couldn't hang out with her because was attending my own wedding and the day was very busy. She proceeded to call me a f***ing bitch and to never contact her again. I wish I had never invited her!
What an idiot to assume that you’d hang out with anyone at their wedding. The couple has enough to deal with at the wedding and reception. It’s their day.
@@gabesmom29 Right? Especially during the *ceremony* . Trying to say your vows and your friend is just trying to wave at you, what are you supposed to do? Stop everything and say "OK Linda, I see you! Thanks for coming" 😂
Todd /brother thing - was told not to ruin the wedding or he will regret it, did it anyway. Always consequences for our actions - he had his karma served up fresh in front of everyone. Centre of attention- what he wanted 😁 What if the situation were reversed?!
I'd do the same thing or give them exactly what they want and have it announced in an exaggerated way over the PA system and they're paying for the bar so everyone drink up on an engaged couple's dime. They'd probably be so embarrassed to point trying to leave but still owe thousands on bar bill.
I had a few relatives from my groom's side and my own side who were insistent that they "help" us plan the wedding. This was after we made our own plans for the wedding we wanted. I told them that if they wanted a say in changing reservations and making decisions that they would have to pay $5000 each for that privilege. That sure quieted them down.
Considering my wedding back in 1993 only cost us about 2000 in total (including dresses, reception etc but it was only 60 people) I could have made some serious cash!!! We had just built our home and had moved in about 6 weeks before the wedding and were living on ramen and crackers so we could pay for everything.. The money my parents had put aside for my wedding we had used (with their permission) for the house deposit and we did most of the decorating etc ourselves. Mum made my dress, my best friends mum decorated the cake that my sister made (we paid them both), my best friends sister in law made the bridesmaid dresses (I paid for the material and for her to make them) and a friend of my sister was a starting out chef who made all the food for our wedding lunch which was a buffet (and we paid him too and got to take home the leftovers..which wasn't much because the food was amazing... oh those profiteroles were divine!). I gave my brother 8 rolls of film and told him to go nuts taking pics, another mate had an awesome sound system and dj'd for us and we hired the local football hall and decorated it ourselves with my parents bringing up heaps of roses, ivy and bottle brush from my parents garden. It was a really laid back wedding, lots of fun and we all had a great time.
I was so hoping the wedding proposal would go exactly the way it did. I would wait about a month and then tell the girlfriend it was done to teach him a lesson about stealing other people's special moments. And make sure she understands that she and her children will never be the center of attention, so think about the life she wants. And then, I would deploy the last stage of the nuclear option. Full no contact with Todd and let the parents know even the slightest mention of Todd when they are around him and his family - that's an immediate end to the visit. Neither Todd nor his parents will ever change so there's no point in having them around.
My son proposed to his gf at my wedding with my help. When I would've normally thrown my bouquet, I turned around and handed it to her and then my son got on his knee... I was so happy and excited that we were all able to enjoy this moment! ❤
The major difference is you were in on it and consented to it 100%. OP told Todd if he did it he would regret it and he not only did it, but during the father daughter dance too and at that point it was free reign and fair game
That's adorable, because you were in on it. Imagine if he had just stolen the moment there's a big difference between sharing a special moment and stealing one (not that I think you're defending todd)
The revenge against Todd was probably revenge against everything he had gotten away with in life, not just the proposal. With a sister like that, I can completely understand. There has been more than one occasion that I had to steer clear, or I may be one less sibling because of her actions.
My cousin got married a few years ago. Growing up, she was the black sheep of her family. She’s adopted and once her parents had a natural born child, she became an afterthought and someone to blame for everything. My parents and I loved her to bits and made her feel safe and relaxed. Even when her family moved to China (her parents got teaching jobs there), I still felt incredibly close to her. She came back to Canada when we were in Uni and I still felt like she was one of the dearest people in my life. She was there for me when I went through bad breakups and vice versa. When I met her now husband I even made sure to let him know he’d have to deal with me if he ever hurt her. 😜 After they started getting more serious, though, she drifted away. She also started trying to make things work with her parents and younger sister (who hates her and claims she’s the cause of all her mental illnesses despite being her older sister’s bully from the time she could talk). I was happy she could forgive their neglect and resolve things, though I personally did not understand. I’m not as forgiving of mistreatment from parents towards their children. I always thought we’d be in each other’s weddings. When I was little, I always told her I wanted her to be my maid of honour and wedding coordinator in one, Cos she’s super good with money and really organized. I thought we’d make a great team, and I let her know I’d be there for her at her wedding. She never expressed the same sentiments to me, but she’s a pretty stoic person who doesn’t show emotion much so I didn’t really see it for the red flag it was… By the time she got married, we were no contact. She had distanced herself for a while and eventually ghosted me. I never knew why. I still wanted to be in her life, but I backed off when I realized I was not wanted. When I was dumped by who i thought was the love of my life, she didn’t even reach out to console me. At least not until her mother said something. I decided I would officially let the relationship go, as much as it hurt, because she had moved on and no longer really thought about or cared for me. We haven’t spoken in years. When the wedding rolled around, my parents got an invite. I did not. I wasn’t planning on going, but I did at least expect an invitation. Turns out they had decided a blanket “no cousins” rule, even though the groom had a cousin desperate to go and a great aunt willing to let her take her spot and me who, while I did not want to go, had at one point been more of a sister to my cousin than hers ever was. I’ll admit, it stung. Even though I didn’t want to or plan on going if invited. I guess it felt like that final nail in the coffin in our relationship, especially since she seemed to think my parents ought to be invited knowing they would never go to her wedding if I was going to be excluded (I’m an only child and the three of us are tight knit - you get all of us, or none of us, which they are aware of). Kinda felt like they only sent the invite so my parents would feel obligated to send a wedding gift in exchange for their non-attendance. It’s ok. I’m not really in contact with most of my family. We’re pretty dysfunctional and there’s been lots of abuse towards my parents that I have decided never to forgive, even if my parents are ok letting it go. I wish I had their patience and grace. Instead of family, I have a close network of friends on whom I can rely who are far kinder, more helpful, and more loving than my extended family ever was, all while being just as dysfunctional. 🙂 I think the difference between me and some of these AITA people are that, while I was irrationally hurt by a family member’s decision around their wedding, I didn’t say a thing. I expressed my sadness to my mum and left it alone. I didn’t pick a fight or pitch a fit. I haven’t even really thought about it until binge watching Charlotte’s wedding drama videos. 😝 guess I just wanted to vent.
It's crazy that you and your parents seem to be the only decent people in your family. 💀 But I'm glad you're no contact with most of them and I hope you guys can heal from the shit they've given. Truly disappointed in people.
I am sorry. It seems like this girl was ungrateful to a T. In a way she treated you and your family like an afterthought... just like hers did to her when the biodaughter was born. It seems she fixed the relatioship with her adoptive parents and then forgot to people that supported her along the way. As much as it hurts, you don't want someone like this in your life.
@@Willowy13 I don't think she really fixed the relationship with the adoptive parents. They probably blamed all their problems on this other family so now she has rewritten the story to make it seem as if they were actually to blame for her parents' behavior. This cousin is a reminder that she was the blacksheep of the family, so now she is exclusing her because she doesn't want to remember. Unfortunately, I suspect they are using her for something, so that's why they're treating her nicely at the moment. Once she has a real problem in life, they will turn their backs on her again.
For Todd, if the proposal was the only stunt he pulled I'd not react the way OP did.
But also think about the countless number of times he must have snatched the spotlight or done something inappropriate. I feel the building resentment of OP just burst out and in the most petty way🤌
That is exactly what I was thinking, the groom wasn't just getting him back for the wedding, but also the baby shower and probably years of other crap. I don't think he took it too far.
Yes, payback is a bitch.
Plus, I feel like if he wants to be the center of attention and steal the spotlight from his siblings, he won't have any problem doing the same to his wife and child.
@@endorathewitchwriter1712 I say, he didn't take it far enough.
I think OP took it too far because let’s not forget there are children involved and not only that, he was also punishing OP’s girlfriend who was an innocent party in all this. Let me reiterate that the person truly suffering behind this is OP’s kid (which btw is being kept from him) parental alienation is not cool.
My thing with Todd is that he cried to his parents, parents defended him saying he wasn’t going to actually propose and that OP was being judgmental and then OP relented and was like, fine but don’t propose or you’ll regret it, to which I assume Todd was like yeah okay, I won’t. And then HE DID. He deserved it and he deserves no contact.
My only problem with this one is that there is a child involved. The fiancé won’t let him see his son because she thinks he cheated. That’s messing up a innocent kids life. I do believe he should have gotten him back but not to the extent it involves a child not seeing their father.
The kid thing messed it up but he did warn him he would pay🤷♀️
For the kid's sake I would think about letting Lucy know it wasn't true and the reasons why it was done.
I think that whole story is fake anyway. That "receipt falling out of the pocket" thing is just too convenient. Sounds like something that'd happen in a movie.
Yeah he might deserve it but does his kid deserve to have a strained relationship with his father and to see his mom and dad fighting all the time over this? The kid didn’t do anything wrong.
Not only did “Todd” purposefully and specifically choose his brother’s wedding to propose he also chose to do it during the father daughter dance, not only taking away from his brother’s wedding but taking that moment from the bride and her father. He absolutely deserved it in my opinion.
Also, imo they saved the woman from marrying an absolute asshole and taught the latter an important life lesson.
Maybe him but not the child 😥
He totally deserve it but I'm worried abt the kid... I completely forgot that they had a kid and thought they were just dating... but the kid?? The child may grow up without a father is unfortunate for him...
That's the part that got me. Even after he told Todd not to do anything, he went a did it during one of the most special moments for a bride at her wedding. If someone ruined my daddy-daughter dance I'd kick them out on the spot. Not a F will be given.
I do feel Todd deserved this cause honestly he was warned something bad would happen I do feel for the child. Growing up with a single parent let alone without a father can be rough but it may be good that the child doesn’t learn this behavior from Todd because they would grow up learning to do the same things as him
Last story shout-out to the unnamed gal friend who spent the entire wedding man-marking Todd, poised and ready to announce that she was pregnant with his baby, and did so knowing full well there was a STRONG chance she’d be b****-slapped by Lucy, and DEFINITELY need to leave the wedding immediately after the scene, yet was still willing to take one for the team and do this for the couple. What a friend! 😳
I think she said she got paid for it, but still, she definitely has balls of steel.
If my friends didn't know I can't have kids I'd have done that too. But I'd done it for free. 😂
I would absolutely do this. I'm for hire... 😂😂
Definitely MVP for best friend and mystery gal
@@audrawells1383 Ye, that is a thing with a type of smaller actors and actresses to take up smaller roles filling a space in a story someone needs to create.. in this case a female side piece for "Todd," they usually are willing to do a lot of different types of roles albeit not a super risky one, they're still humans.
I wish more people would understand that family is not REQUIRED to be invited to weddings.....it should be the people currently IN your life.
Unless they're rich and will give good presents. 😜
Indeed I agree. I love the phrase.... Friends... Are the family you choose!!!
I think a LOT of people have a sort of Stockholm syndrome with their family. They seem gaslit into not trusting their gut and believing their family isn't that bad. I had a friend like this in high school. Her bedroom was literally a closet off her little brother's room and she waited on him and cooked family dinner after school. I could never convince her that things were not right. In a way I think those of us with very obvious and undeniable family issues are better off. We can make a clean break and feel mostly okay about it. Those with more passive aggressive families just can't seem to shake them.
Yes! Exactly!
I soo wish when I got married o didn’t invite majority of the people I did invite! My cousin made things delay and not run a smooth and I don’t even like her, just felt she had to go! Another cousin I wanted to go couldn’t because another cousin I didn’t like HAD to go (according to my family) I felt bullied into inviting people! I never even wanted the big wedding, I wanted to go abroad but my husband wanted ot so I did it! After he said “we should of got married abroad” 😡🔥🤬
You also have to think about the fact that Todd has been the golden child forever to the detriment of both OP and their sister. He has spent years preening over mommy and daddy giving him everything and not giving OP and sister what they need. They wanted ONE DAY EACH. They wanted THEIR WEDDING DAYS. Their parents and brother couldn’t even give them that. OP’s NTA and warned Todd he would regret messing up yet another milestone.
@MsJubjubbird If she wasn't like that before they got together she probably dodged a bullet. If she's the same way she deserved it too. The only one who didn't deserve it is the baby but thats what they get for not being safe and having a stable enough relationship in the first place to be bringing a kid into the world.
@@MsJubjubbird I disagree. You're forgetting she ruined the baby shower. And she was happy to take the attention from someone else on their wedding day. If my husband would have tried to propose to me at someone else's wedding I would have stopped him and been very upset. So she had it coming as well and deserved it as well. Also What other thing could have been done to ruin the proposal that would only affect Todd. You're forgetting Todd has OPs parents on his side no matter what. So it had to be a type of revenge that makes it looks like OPs not involved and that also somehow doesn't hurt the baby shower stealing 304. Attention seekers are literally some of the worst people on the planet. They deserve whatever vengeance is rained upon them honestly. It's just karma.
Ok. I tend to agree with the original post. The main points that stick out to me is the sister, Abby had a baby shower. Todd's baby momma could have simply attended introduced herself to the family and followed up with a lunch to announce a baby. But also, she could have also waited for Todd to propose before announcing a baby. There are reasons why there is a phrase "shotgun wedding". The reasons are babies on the way.
2nd. Groom did not want Todd as his groomsman, nor did he even want him at the wedding or reception. He already knew what to expect. He relented for the sake of his parents. Promises were made and promises were broken.
I wouldn't have hired an actress to make that kind of accusation. And, if I was an actress, I wouldn't take that kind of job.
Having said that... Damn. All of this could have been avoided if groom stuck to his guns and dropped Todd as groomsman and uninvited him to the wedding. The lines were already drawn. They would never do the family reunion thing or holidays thing again. Todd would have proposed on his own. Now, the parents at least have their eyes open to how Todd treats his siblings. He legit broke his promise to his parents and his brother by NOT waiting for a different day.
He could have proposed the day after. Or... He could have done something with his GF'S side of the family to propose to her in front of her family and friends. Nope. He wanted himself and his GF to get dressed up and have photographers and videographers and a ready to go crowd of people. Then he chose the bride's dance with her father as the time to do it.
It's not petty. It's standing up to emotional blackmail and bullying to move forward in life with Todd no longer in it.
And if sister Abby is mad at groom... Perhaps she should be the one to tell Todd's GF it was a prank.
No punches were thrown. No property was damaged.
Lies were told to avenge promises made that were never intended to be kept.
Somehow, I think the parents will still end up siding with Todd instead of groom. And that will be the real eye opener. Lines have been drawn. They will be forced to see they were always standing on one side of the line and treated the other children unfairly to favor the 1.
I agree. Todd had it coming. His girlfriend’s behaviour at the shower is also appalling! Todd was warned and told not to do. He did it anyway. This is the consequence!
I'm not about taking revenge myself. You reap what you sew happens on its own. One thing tho, it is a brilliant way for her to get him to pay for half the wedding. She did present him with a bill and she'll prob make him pay it before she'll clear his name.
I think part of the reason the last guy went with the nuclear option on his brother is cause he's had to deal with a LIFETIME of this. It's not just revenge for the wedding, it's getting back at him for making growing up with him so difficult.
Excactly, I was surprised the speaker did not mention that.
Yep 💯 percent lol I would do this too
And probably for his sister as well
Agreed, it is the accumulation of all OP's grievances and hurts for all his life. It is very satisfying 😏😏😏
100% Todd was warned
Aside from marrying my best friend, the father-daughter dance was THE MOST important part of my wedding. It was the only part of the wedding that I had actually imagined since I was small. My father sang to me while we danced, not loudly enough for the whole party to hear over the music but just to me. I'll carry that memory with me until my dying breath. Todd got what he deserved imho.
At first I was like “oh that sucks for Todd’s baby moms.” But remember how she announced her pregnancy at the sister’s baby shower!! They both deserve it. This was a lesson that Todd had coming. He was warned, he ruined the bride’s dance with her dad, now he has to pick up the pieces of his raggedy life.😂💁🏾♀️
Yeah, being reminded of the baby shower changes things. Originally I did feel a bit bad for her, and especially the baby, but now I just feel bad for that kid with such shit parents.
Todd deserved punishment. Lucy maybe too. But not the child.
This I don’t think the child deserves to have his dad taken away from him that’s just plain wrong but that’s down to the mother, even if this was true she doesn’t have the right to keep a child away from their father, why would you want to deprive your own child of a dad 🤯
@@lixxielou9747 well, yes and no. Just imagine what kind of father Todd would be. Attention seekers use everyone they can. Todd won't stop now that his brother and sister both don't have big parties coming up anymore. He'll use everything his kid will do to make himself center of the attention. And I don't see any way how a kid could be happy with parents that won't think about their child.
But yes, even if Lucy is upset, she should think about her kid. Very clearly she doesn't care about the kid's feelings, she only cares about punishing her ex(?) boyfriend. I think both don't care about the child that much - which is very sad in itself.
Todd an Lucy might deserve it but their kid sure doesn't
My husband and I got married in a Tuesday at the courthouse. I wore my dress and got my hair done. Our parents knew and spread the word if people wanted to show up. Some did. We had dinner after at Olive Garden. A month later our family decided we needed a reception. We said we didn’t need one. They planned it and invited people I haven’t seen since I was a kid 😆 no cost to my husband and I, the family got there party and we got gifts!! I say we won the wedding.
That's so sweet! It's nice to hear a cute wedding story after all the drama. (Not that I don't enjoy the drama... but I need a dash of wholesome yknow) congrats!
Your family is golden. That was so incredibly sweet of them!
I got married in a courthouse, too. Turns out Narc stbx has no friends and wanted to alienate my friends. I'm never falling for a covert narc again.
Just because it is a low budget courthouse deal doesn't mean they don't have a cluster b. Yikes.
My husband & I were married alone by the phenomenal hippy Howie on the beach in Hawaii. I didn’t have to worry about anyone else, we saved tens of thousands even after living it up in Hawaii for weeks, & my photos look like they belong in a magazine. To try to appease all, we had an engagement luau for friends before we left, staged wedding pics with family at a fancy place, & had a boring formal reception for family after we returned. People will always complain but this way the people who mattered were happy & enjoyed our day! 💞
@@LyannaDelore yeah but no one said it would last because it was small or low budget so why are yall responding as if they did? Sounds like you just wanted to trauma dump tbh.
As an older person let me give younger people some advice. The thing you will remember about your wedding day is the people you're with and the moments spent with them. That's what sets the tone of the whole day, the people. If there are people who cause you stress in your life leave them out. This is a day about making you and your SO feel happy and special, not about meeting social expectations. It's YOUR day, not your family's.
Hell yeah 100% agree. It's the people who make or break the day.
Every wise word ❤️
True
Thank you for sharing some helpful wisdom friend :) I am taking note of your advice, it’s good
Agreed.
14 years ago, I worked in a company where our bosses established a culture of helping one another. Whenever a colleague gets married, all of us are free to come but we have to pay for our meal (there’s over a hundred of us). I was the creative guy so I offer photography for free. My other colleague is a good make up artist, another one is a good host, we also have singers and another is a good coordinator, all for free as a gift to the bride or groom. My bosses always give the most fancy gift to the couple. It all worked well for everybody and everyone who got married in that company ended up with a really fun and amazing big weddings. For over 4 years I have worked there, I have done 4 weddings and those couples felt so blessed to be a part of that company. Already left the country and my boss, those colleagues and I are still good friends. It was a lovely experience.
COMMUNITY. We need more! By sharing your experience, others may well follow suit! ❤ Here's to the wing-flap, let it ripple...
That’s called ‘when the stars align.’ Sounds awesome!
What's the company. Ide like to apply!
Todd's story needs to be turned into a 10-part Netflix drama.
Omg I'd watch that lol even just having a movie about it 😆🤣
There certainly had been shows filmed with less material
🤣🤣🤣
I'd love that so much!
Never invite people like Todd to a wedding...ever.
Drama?? or Comedy??
Last story: No sympathy for LUCY, either. Remember, she announced her pregnancy at Abby’s baby shower. Lucy and Todd are two of a kind, both desperate for the spotlight, especially at other people’s expense. She can’t legally withhold access to the child without a court order, so let them figure out their own mess. Go with “It was just a prank, bro, sorry you don’t have a sense of humor, you’re too sensitive,” ONLY if he pays the invoice you sent. As ye sow, so shall ye reap. Sorry for the kid, but he has two crap parents anyway, and is likely in for a lifetime of them making his celebrations and accomplishments about them anyway, this is a blip on the radar.
Meghan and Harry in a nutshell
Lucy knows she is better off without this douchebag. She doesn't trust him or the fake side piece act wouldn't have worked.
#Preach
#Breakthecycle
No sorry for the kid, I think the parents would teach their baby to steal the spotlight too and we don't need another generation of entitlement, tbh.
i'll be of a sliiightly different opinion here, just for conversation:
the only reason why i'd think she went to far in her revenge is that it affected the kid, who is an innocent third party. Even if his parents are insensitive jerks, i'm pretty sure it would still hurt to have divorced parents.
Imagine the kid learning the whole story when he's older: "my parents got divorced because they weren't respectful at my aunt's wedding and my aunt took revenge on them by ruining their marriage" (LOL ok yea they reap what they sow, tho it also makes the aunt look bad)
At this point, even if she does apologize for "going too far," how can she be assured that Todd and Lucy won't take revenge for her revenge? I mean, the situation clearly didn't help them apologize for their actions. Nothing was resolved; only escalated. Isn't that why revenge isn't usually worth it?
Side note: Exactly once have I seen someone propose at someone else's wedding. *However!* it was with the bride & groom's permission, and it was during the bouquet toss. Bride pretended to wind up, then handed it to the guy, who came over and gently led his girlfriend out of the pack of grappling bridesmaids, handed her the flowers, then knelt down and pulled out a ring. *That* was a sweet moment (that was okay with the newlyweds) that didn't step on the toes of anyone else. Bonus sugar: the newly engaged girl then handed the flowers off to another girl who they knew had really wanted to catch the bouquet.
That's a proper way to do that. And sweet. Not underhanded at all.
That is lovely!!
That's the best way to do it! Always get permission and they'll help you incorporate your proposal into their wedding so it's memorable for everyone.
Oh that's so incredibly sweet for everyone involved!! Would have loved to see it
Those are the people that actually care about others
coming from someone who has experienced this kind of behavior and knows who is the favorite child, if there have been years of stolen and ruined moments made by this person, then this one single moment of revenge is most likely needed to end the abuse.
I got engaged in 2018 and we planned a long engagement and set the wedding to be in 2021. When we started to put a guest list together to get ahead on the planning covid hit and we took that opportunity to have a much smaller wedding and use covid as the reason to not invite the entitled and toxic family members. We had an wedding in May 2021 with 45 of the best and nicest friends and family. Went from having an almost 200 person wedding to a drama free small group of people who wanted nothing but to share in the love 😄
Our son and DIL basically did this same thing….30 people in an outdoor venue. No muss, no fuss and it was perfect!
We had 38 lovely guests on 2021 wedding -- it was perfect
We had like 95 guests 11 were mine (8 family members and 3 friends) and rest were husband's.
It's really hard to make cuts. I mean, mine was simpler because neither side of mine likes to attend. My aunts did come, left after food (which i knew and i didn't care what time people left),my uncle didn't because he had silly beef with mom. Didn't invite my other uncle because honestly i don't really know him and his looks and social skills resemble forest troll. Didn't invite my grandma because she was horrible person. It was very easy to keep her out of loop. I just told mom and aunt that they can say I got married at city hall with only witnesses (which was true. Only invited parents and siblings)
Didn't invitr cousins. Because dads'side they are 10-15 years older and mom's side 10-15 years younger. Uncle's kids i do not know (because his silly beef with mom). Aunt of that side had her youngest with her, he was 9 and we had fun.
Husband has big and close family. So it was uncles and aunts and cousins and their kids.
Everything went well. Only 1 drunk ah (husband's side)
As it should be! Weddings these days are absolutely ridiculous. They aren't intimate sacred vows anymore. They are production pieces with all of the meaning of a Broadway play.
Awesome!!
The last story. Yes the punishment fits. I have a sibling like that. Gets everything they want shows no gratitude to our parents demands everything be her way. Sometimes you are so violently sick of them ruining your life you pull a stunt like this to say “B*tch this ain’t your playing field anymore”. I think it was absolutely brilliant and that his bride went along with it is even more golden. You are NOT the A hole!
I feel it's taking it too far. Hiring the woman to ruin the proposal is one thing but not wanting to clear his name even after the wedding and permanently destroying his brother's relationship with both his gf and child? He's also punishing the innocent by breaking the child's family.
def the a hole ur ruining a whole marriage and a childs relationship with their father, the children may grow up thinking their father never loved them and have trauma all bc this person wanted to be petty
Just gotta say this is always my thought to this story too. This takes it too far because of the collateral damage. This doesn't just hurt Todd it hurts Lucy, and it hurts their baby child who is completely innocent even if the argument could be made that Lucy was also deserving of some revenge for the baby shower thing. This would be the sort of story that if say a friend in the future told me they'd done this, I'd never be able to see them the same way again because I just couldn't get "that poor kid though" out of my head. You've always got to mind the splash damage on revenge plots - if more than just your target is equally hurt, it's too far and to me it just makes OP read as being just as self-centered and heartless as Todd in the end, damaging three lives to get back at one.@@Tasha9315
@@Tasha9315 He should apologize. How hard is that? Say the words: "I apologize for not listening and going ahead with my plan against your will, on your special day". As long as he is stubborn, there is no need to save him from the grief. Narcissists deserve grief, when they do not apologize.
The last story is so badly fake, most stuff on Reddit is people practicing their horrendous story writing skills lol
The brother went through with his proposal because he was sure he would get away with it. I think the only possible way to make him feel the consequences of his own actions was to totally annihilate him, or his parents would just have protected him lol that was so satisfying
Completely agree!! I can’t understand how some people are weird enough to think proposing or announcing something at someone else’s event is EVER appropriate, but the OP specifically told him “DO NOT PROPOSE AT MY WEDDING” and he went ahead and did it anyway! The fact that he has kids changes nothing - it might even be a good thing he is away from them incase he is passing on his bad behavioural habits to them.
My only problem with the revenge that guy pulled was that it effectively dragged an innocent kid into it. His brother was out of line, arguably so was the brother's fiance, but their kid did nothing and is now likely going to grow up in a broken home with little-to-no contact with his dad unless the truth comes out.
It’s not like he didn’t make it clear that he would make him regret it
and the fact that he agreed to not try anything at the wedding, and yet still pushed through..
@Ælla Tew that's not the OPs fault though. That's the dumbass MOTHERS fault. What kind of mother would keep a child from their father just because he allegedly cheated? Just because he supposedly cheated on HER doesn't give her the right to do that. Idk if we can blame OP for that part. Todd should've thought about that shit
That last one is so hilarious 🤣 no this punishment doesn’t fit that EXACT crime, but when you consider that this Todd has done shit like this to OP AND HIS SISTER THEIR WHOLE LIFE the punishment was not enough
The relatives talking about this incident as family history is priceless.
The fact that Todd was WARNED not to do anything during his brother's wedding, promised that he wouldn't & then proceeded to propose at the wedding, DURING THE BRIDE'S FATHER/DAUGHTER DANCE!!!! And Lucy, announcing her pregnancy at the sister's baby shower?! Dude, I don't think he went petty enough!!!! Todd deserves it!!!
Agree 💯
Totally nuclear and totally deserved. Todd needs to put his big boy undies on and apologise and THEN I would let Lucy know what had gone on.
"bUt It WaSn'T dUrInG tHe WeDdInG! iT wAs DuRiNg ThE rEcEpTiOn!!"- Todd, probably
If Lucy thought it was ok to announce her pregnancy at the sister's baby shower, she is just as toxic as Todd. So she won't even see the problem of getting engaged at someone else's wedding. Thinking of the child, I would phone Lucy and tell her everything. There are consequences to your actions and now she and Todd have experienced it.
Facts! He was ⚠️
That last one, considering the behavioral pattern and the lack of remorse from the brother, I would say it's well deserved. The brother had also said to the parents that he wouldn't do anything but he did anyway, so he's also a manipulative liar. If OP backs down now, he'll have to put up with the nonsense until end of time. Some people needs to be fed some of their own medicine.
But now he doesn't get to see his child. That means his child is being punished for his father's behavior. The child did nothing wrong and does not deserve this punishment.
@@hollyd.4793 Todd had COUNTLESS chances to alter his behaviour in the lead up to this one event, but just like the most likely over 50 times he did something like this before, he didnt. That child is better off without a father figure like that to be honest
The only punishment the child is receiving is having those two narcissists as parents!
@@hollyd.4793 If he stomps on the boundaries of his family, he probably isn’t much betting to his child. He’s probably that dad who only acts like a father when it’s convenient to him. If mama is keeping child away from Todd, maybe she has other reasons, than him “cheating” … which he probably has multiple girls on the side anyway, just not *that* girl. Everyone else are just supporting “actors” in his life.
@@hollyd.4793 It's Todd's fault. No one else's.
Todd learned how the "fuck around and find out" scale works. Let's all celebrate Todd learning something new!
I’m laughing so hard because everything you posted is correct. That scale hit Todd pretty hard, lol.
Man this is the mother of all FAAFO's 😂😂😂😂
Hiring an actress. That was pure GENIUS!!!
That last one was diabolical and I loved every minute of it. The audacity to do this at a time that wasn't really as significant for the groom but was poignant for the Bride. A moment she would remember forever and is now ruined because you want to be petty! He got exactly what he deserved!!
But his girlfriend was innocent in all that and didn't deserve to be the tool used to get revenge on him 😒
That poor woman went through something all of us are terrified to go through. Nobody wants to find out that the man you love, may marry one day, AND are fucking PREGNANT with his child on top of that.
Yes it was fake and cleared up eventually...but not for FAR too long... never should have even happened, but they took it WAY too far.
Its not just HIS proposal that will be a horrible memory for the rest of his life, hers is ruined too obviously 🙄
Even if they have a new better proposal, the scars of that day will likely never leave their relationship, and maybe even sabotage the whole relationship itself.
There stuff someone lied about to my husband when we were first together, and yes the scars of that shit have never stopped being a sore topic. It caused mistrust for years when it was proven false and I hadn't done anything wrong.
They could have easily came up with another way to get revenge without hurting innocent people
@@joziesundstrom7660 she's not innocent either. She announced her pregnancy on Abby's babyshower, stealing attention from the mother-to-be. And Lucy was not even family!
The brother who proposed after promising not to is responsible for his fiancée’s pain.
I agree up to the point where now his kid is being withheld from him. That hurts the kid more than anything, and the kid is definitely innocent.
@@joziesundstrom7660I know someone already told you, but you missed the part where she literally stole the spotlight from a mother to be's baby shower by announcing her own pregnancy. Even if she didn't know about the proposal, she still ruined a special occasion for someone, it's most likely the same pain as someone proposing DURING the father/daughter dance. Both of them did something very much wrong to that person and op just gave them what they deserved. But I do have to agree with another person that the child is most definitely in a lot of pain now due to op's actions on the two. But they got served what they deserved so, it's ultimately their fault for that. I do hope the child is doing ok after it all though.
I shared the last story with my mother, who always lectures our family about taking the higher ground, don’t stoop to their level, etc. She 10000% AGREED with the groom’s plan!! And we’re on the same page: there would be no punishment if there was no crime. The brother was fully warned, given plenty of space and time to make better decisions, and chose to be selfish. He only suffered by his own hand and no one else’s. His actions impacted his kid, not the consequences he now suffers. Had he behaved like a decent person, not only would he still have everything, but some complete stranger would have simply enjoyed a beautiful party and free food!
I think for the last story the reason the groom went so far is because this isn't the first major moment his brother has ruined. Announcing your own pregnancy at your sister's baby shower is so rude. Then to get warned not to propose at your brother's wedding to go on and not only do it but do it during the bride's moment with her father. That's just next level rude without discussing first. Hopefully his brother learned from this. He seems like he would have continued to ruin everyone's special moments for eternity if this hadn't happened to be honest .
I agree with it all, but I'd have come clean once I was told he wasn't allowed to see his child, a child who is innocent in all of this
@@holliehopewell4306 I'm sure he will spend his child's life ruining the child's moments too. This guy sounds like a narcissist and that is what narcissists do. The only moments that kid will have will be centered around dad with the kid as an afterthought.
@@karentorngren5102 mums the exact same as the dad and that's stated but I don't see you moaning about her. None of that is any reason for him to be banned from seeing his child now is it? If you really believe it is then your name is perfect for you.
With the last story, I think the only other option OP could have gone with was having someone spill wine all over both of them when they saw what he was trying to do. That would probably be the option I would have gone with, but he definitely deserved what happened. He was warned and he decided to do it anyway.
As some one who has lost her father. My wedding is some of my best memories of my father. For context he never walked after my wedding. So for some entitled brother to not only take the spot light form a father daughter dance, but also to do the same at my sisters baby shower he deserves all he got.
@camillesherman8632
So sorry for your loss but happy you had that moment with your dad. I miss my dad too. He's been gone 36 years.
I definitely understand that. My partner and I have chosen not to get married as we both have lost parents and feel that the day would end up being all about those missing. Having said that, I do think it's unfair that the revenge affected an innocent kid's relationship with their dad. I wish OP had found an option that didn't involve getting a kid's life blown up.
That was a master piece! And I agree that if Todd was sooo worried about his kid, he would apologize, beg, do whatever necessary to get OP to tell the truth. That’s what’s expected of a father!
But I honestly wouldn’t have thought of this option myself! I think I would have ruined his “surprise” before the wedding… maybe even at a “big event” like a rehearsal dinner… wait for the perfect moment and announce in a loud voice to the gf that Todd has bought a ring and was going to propose!
I wouldn’t wait till the wedding. Specially because OP already knew Todd was gonna ruin it.
Yes, Todd got what was coming to him, but he still managed to ruin the father daughter dance!
As someone that has lost a father, these moments mean the word to me! I would be in tears… can’t imagine the fiancé!
I would be so mad that I could be the one pretending to be Todd’s side piece just to ruin his proposal and OP wouldn’t even need to pay me! 😂
Love the idea of telling the girlfriend ahead of Todd, steal his thunder. A great solution!
Yeah that too would be a way to ruin it so he could not ruin the wedding. A bit of a safer option. But he could have always said that "he would have never proposed during the wedding"
since todd and his gf are attention seekers, they would find a way to get attention during the wedding anyway... maybe transforming the wedding in a surprise double wedding...
@@acaciaeugenia4386 That's so right. People who thrive on attention would still try to steal the spotlight. Even if OP tried to push Todd's hand before the wedding I could still see him and Lucy trying to jump on the spotlight at the wedding
I think the side piece prank fits the probably years of build up and then the explicit warnings ahead. But after a couple weeks I think OP should tell Lucy about it. Not for her since she and Todd obviously deserve each other, but for their kid and OP's relationship with his sister, which is now tense as well. After that it's for Todd and Lucy to figure out.
I agree. Not his brother, or parents, but Lucy should find out imho.
Totally agree, let them stew a bit in the consequences of their actions before straightening anything out.
True. The relationship between OP and his sister should not suffer from this
When my wife said our wedding was going to be child free, I was against it, but she held firm, thus I relented. I now agree with her 💯%. If the bride/groom are fine with kids, fine, but I now agree weddings are an adult thing primarily. If only for a chance for the parents to get an actual break from their kids and let loose a little.
We only had 1 kid at our wedding. It was my now SIL, who was born, when my husband was in his teens already and which I knew since she was about 3 or 4 years old, so she's like an actual little sister to me.
She was 10 years at that time.
I think Todd got off lightly, but then I’m a dog of the female persuasion.
I think this is true of most weddings (unless you want a family BBQ in the back yard). Children today are not taught to sit quietly through a ceremony, nor do they know how to behave nicely at a reception. It's just a sign of the times.
What sums it up about how toxic Todd's brother is, was that the guy PROMISED their mother and Todd that he would NOT propose during the wedding - but Todd, despite these promises, was so SURE his brother could not resist a little wedding sabotage, did not hesitate to plan and execute a complex payback, (all while preparing for his own wedding and honeymoon). He had complete utter faith in his brother to be a louse.
Todd is the brother. Todd was the one that promised not to propose but did it anyway
At that point, I would not have blamed him for not inviting Todd at all
Exactly. I'm 99% positive that if Todd had actually kept his promise and not proposed at the wedding, the fake side piece would've just been another guest. Just had a slice of cake and headed off.
But he had to go back on his word and not just propose but steal the spotlight from an incredibly important moment for a newlywed (a dance with their parent) at which point OP flipped the switch. With justification.
No he did warn his brother that if he did something bad he will regret it. The OP knew Todd will propose on his wedding despite his promises because he knows him since they were kids and Todd is the type of guy who always steals the spotlight. So, ummm if you couldn't predict your sibling's behavior, are you even siblings??
@@tealablu3759i wonder if the parents wouldn't also not come if he decided to univite Todd...
These stories are the reason why my husband and I got married at the court house. 😂 we were going to have a reception in a venue, but so glad we decided not to do that either because with the way people were acting entitled beforehand..we canceled the reception and took a trip with our hard earned money instead. People were extremely upset and called us selfish for taking the trip instead of paying for the reception with our own money which we had to because both of us came from families that didn't have much. However after emails and messages and texts with people requesting certain meals, drinks, and even people requesting a limo to bring them to our reception, we just said "nope" . It was too much!
People knew you didn't have money yet expected you to provide limo rides? Yikes.
a limousine?😮 The AUDACITY
The audacity. I'd do the same only with the religious wedding too mut something very intimate as in me, groom and the witness.
I might have posted the requests to FB adding that you just couldn't please everybody. That would underline their selfishness.
You made the right choice!!!! A great honeymoon to celebrate your marriage is way better!!!
I put no children on my invitations and 95% of the guests were fine with it but a couple of my husbands friends weren’t happy with this. I found out that they were going to bring them anyway so I uninvited them. I really enjoyed the aftermath. They then tried to convince other friends not come and not tell us but that didn’t work. One guessed who rsvp’d yes rang me that morning saying we don’t have a babysitter and thought I’d let their kids come but I just said oh what a shame, we’ll see you another time then. Our wedding was absolutely wonderful with no screaming kids.
Love when they try to pull that "We don't have a babysitter" when they've known MONTHS in advance and very obviously could get a babysitter for the night. Did they honestly think you were going to throw your rules out the window for them?
I don't understand why people don't get some events are just for ADULTS.
No kids means no kids
I also didn't want kids, but really we don't have that many around, in the end we have 4 kids one 13yo that I'm godmother of, my 10yo sister and two kids of my husbands brother one was few months and second was 2yo, place that we had wedding had special place for kids, totally on another side, from dancing and our table, so I actually saw like two times this little ones and they were quiet, and they were there like for 4h and they took them and go to room and older ones were practicaly a teen age so no problem with them. But I was on weddings that had so many kids that it was scary , like do much chaos and soo loud, so for me I agree with you. But I also didn't have problem, like anybody with kids didn't even dare to ask if he could take them if they ware not on invite.
And with situation like getting call on last minute if they can take them bc they don't have babysitter, like serious? Nobody around me would do that, we would get call "sorry we can't come bc suddenly we don't have babysitter" like I don't know if it is a culture think or simply world goes in this way that people feel like they are the most importand but yeah. Event from my perspective, I don't have kids, but if I would have I wouldn't take them to wedding, even if they were invited, bc sorry but with kids you can't really get lose and totally relax, you have on mind that you have kid with you, you have to look our for them and look so they don't do something to ruin wedding...
We also planned for a wedding with no kids - we were mid-twenties and none of our friends had children yet, and five of my husband's simblings had no issue with it. The sixth (a sister he hardly ever talks to) was terribly disappointed with us and of course brought the kids on the trip with them, and then had to try to find babysitters. The kids came to the rehearsal dinner and totally took over what we had hoped would be an adult event, but whatever. Then his sister actually said to him "If it's about the gift, we'll give you double if the kids can come". Are you kidding? In the end, they gave us two handmade christmas figurines. So... if the kids came we would have gotton four? How can you not understand that we wanted our wedding to be the most grown up and elegant night of our lives... not like dinner at Chuck E Cheese.
It’s all the revenge for all the past mess ups Todd did. Well played. Stay in your lane!
I love what happened to Todd who was warned AND promised not to propose! Also it seems that he matched quite well with dramatic Lucy, who won`t even question his "affair" and is just as attention seeking as him, since she announced her pregnancy on Abby`s Baby Shower. These two deserved this punishment and if their relationship would be better or they were smarter, they could just contact the actress and confirm that she war hired...
1. I need Charlotte as a bestie. ❤️👑
2. Todd deserved it. After ruining so many moments for his siblings, and the fact he ruined the father/daughter moment during the wedding, wtf did he expect? He rightly got his justice served.
Right? You ruin one moment between a parent and their child and OP returns the favor
Isn't she just a Doll?🥰
Exactly, people don't know what it is like to constantly be shoved in the dark to let your sibling shine. Not the AH
Yea i mean, how's he ever gonna learn if he never gets any consequences for his actions?! Sure it's a little mean, but I also think it's well deserved since he had EVERY chance to not do it.
He's also had every chance to apologize & beg his brother to tell the truth. Instead he just complains about the consequences. Not really dad material there when your pride is more important.
8:36 im not sure if the op even realises it, but this payback wasn't just for the proposal, this was payback for a lifetime of his brother being a d!ckhead!
The fact that he knew he would do it anyway, hire someone to wait in the wings just in case, and actually have to use her, just goes to show how well he knows his brother. Thus, if he thinks this was needed, he knows him better than us and I'm going to go with you did what you had to 😁
Good point!
Exactly!
Agree 100%. The spoilt douchbag bro will never learn 'cos he's a narcissist...& the parents have enabled him. He also has never, ever apologised for anything he's ruined. Good call, re the actor in the wings, from older bro who has made his stand & will never get shited on by his douche bro ever again.
I agree. The punishment WAS an extreme for a reason! KNOWING he was going to have to use the person he hired must have been heartbreaking to begin with. He had to have “hoped” that he wouldn’t need to, all the while knowing it would come down to this. This reaction absolutely shows a lifetimes worth of building resentment and anger. I feel that there was a lot more going on before all of this too.
Agreed
The invitations didn’t say so and so’s wedding FEATURING a surprise proposal! Todd can bite it!
Lucy hijacked Abby’s baby shower, and Todd hijacked his brother’s wedding (after specifically stating he wouldn’t).
Yeah, it’s harsh what happened to him, but it’s harsh what they did.
I have to wonder about their relationship if they can’t even discuss the proposal incident. Because it does seem very coincidental that a side piece would be at the wedding, waiting for the proposal. So if their relationship can’t survive that, how strong was their relationship to begin?
very good point
Exactly, and it would be so easy to proove he has nothing to do with the other woman.
The side piece wasn't at the wedding they hired her after the wedding
@@YoungForever7168 I am confused about the hiring timeline also, because he said he ignored his brother's frantic calls to clear his name until he returned from his honeymoon. (Also, re: previous comment - the girlfriend can't deny him access to his biological children over this. Especially if he's on the birth certificate. He can take her to court.)
@@heidikickhouse- I think she didn't have the baby yet. So if they are broken up, and shes still pregnant. When it comes time to have the baby, yeah she can have the kid with her last name and no father on the birth certificate.
The last one…was beautiful. It felt like the last and final straw type of energy and I’m here for it. And Todd deserved all of that. And if I was him I would of straight up called my parents out that they created and raised Todd so all of that is also their fault too. Accountability has to be taken from ALL angles.
YES 1000%!!!!!
Yeah, but......the girlfriend and their child is innocent, they didn't do anything wrong. That poor poor woman did not deserve to have that HORRIBLE gut wrenching feeling, that she has been getting cheated on for God knows how long... and is losing the man that she loved so much and possibly wanted to marry, WHOSE CHILD SHE IS ALSO PREGNANT WITH! It's disgusting to put an innocent woman through all that bullshit, just because the man didn't listen and save the proposal for another time!? Ridiculous is what that is in my opinion.
Yes it may have been eventually cleared up.. but that awful feeling will still linger a while and may affect her trust in him subconsciously. Seems like its not really worth the revenge honestly. They could easily have found another way to "make him regret it" without hurting people who didn't do anything wrong, and possibly cause irreversible damage to a relationship.
There was of course the whole thing about her announcing her pregnancy at that baby shower, but it's so stupid to hold that against someone as a testament to them being a "bad" person. A baby shower is just to celebrate your pregnancy and give some gifts for the new baby. It's a little event in my opinion, it's not like it's an actual wedding like what the boyfriend did. (Which was a dick move and a half) but she didn't ask for that. She likely felt so happy and excited for herself and the other girl, and just really wanted to tell people. Probably got caught up with that feeling of excitement everyone had for the other pregnant lady and wanted to add to it. I don't personally see anything wrong about doing that. In fact I kinda feel like it's snobby to be so upset and offended over it like they seemed to be
You're not looking at the even bigger picture. They all dodged a bullet w the brother. He's clearly a narcissist and would do that to anyone. Narcs dont care who they hurt. So long as it goes their way. They are evil, energy sucking vampires that you should never tell anything special to. It's best to leave to them alone.@@joziesundstrom7660
@@joziesundstrom7660it seems like the girlfriend might be as bad as Todd. Remember that she announced her pregnancy at thay baby shower. The only one I feel bad for is the child
@@joziesundstrom7660the girlfriend took the spotlight at the bridal shower with announcing her pregnancy. She is also just like that.
For the last one....normally I'd say it would be too far. However, he was warned, and the gf had the nerve to announce her pregnancy at the sister's baby shower, and now the engagement. So I'd say this was a very pent-up revenge that was long over due. No contact for sure. Toxic is toxic.
Yes! Todd clearly has a main character complex and always wants to be the center of attention. He absolutely got what he deserved.
My only issue is that they're a child involved. I don't disagree with what he did. I just disagree with not clearing it up after the fact. You know, give it a month or so, then tell the girlfriend the truth. But make it clear he's are only telling her the truth because he doesn't want their child to suffer, and let her know if she tripped to tell anyone else in the family the "truth" he'll just deny it all and say how crazy that is.
Like sort it out so the kids doesn't suffer. But as for the rest of the family, I'd let everyone who was at the wedding believe that Todd was a cheating POS for the rest of time. Dude deserves that.
Todd definitely deserves what he got. But that poor kid caught in the middle doesn't deserve to lose a parent
@@bottomofastairwell The only person hurting the kid is the kids mom. She's disgusting for weaponizing his child against him. She deserves a slap in the face tbh.
not only that, he proposed during the father-daughter dance
@@bottomofastairwell.....agreed.....and tell Todd's gf that it would be great if she could convince Todd to apologize to Brother, s-i-l, sister, and parents for his entitled unacceptable behavior.......
I love these wedding stories . This is why I want a small ceremony with close family and friends only
I love the Todd's story. I'm not petty but I love people who put effort into a good petty payback. I live my petty-dreams vicariously through them.
I understand how some may feel like it was a step too far but it just may be the step needed to make Todd AND their parents to realize just how wrong it is for Todd to keep taking these moments in his siblings’ lives.
Edited to add: I ❤ you Charlotte Dobre! Your videos are a much needed laugh after a long day.
Alternative revenge for the wedding (last story): I would have informed every guest beforehand that Todd would propose and to please ignore him completely at that moment. Like, not even sparing them a glance no matter what they do. Attention seekers want attention. Make it a point that the moment is for the dance and that no matter what they do, it is NOT THEIR MOMENT.
Ooooohh now that's diabolical 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
I would agree but that is giving them just as much attention really
Love that!
That plan would backfire like it's in human nature to do exactly what is forbidden.
So practical!!
I'm from a typical large African family. Mother's family has over 300 people. Father's family is the same. There's no way I could please all those people(90% of whom I don't know). I grabbed my man(American who only has his mom, sister, and two nephews) and dragged him to the AG. An hour later, I was on social media letting everyone know I was married. No wedding stress😅.
Honestly, I was in the same situation as Todd. Was born with complications, had to go in and out of the hospital for 2 years, and was spoiled by my family and relatives. I also have 2 much older siblings (8 and 9 years older). That said, I would never be so entitled as to take the spotlight from my siblings... but the problem is, it was kinda what happened which led to a somewhat strained relationship with my brother; the middle child. He was also spoilt before I was born, and since I was born with many complications, my parents had to focus their attention on me. I honestly, wondered why he barely talked to me when I was younger, even though our eldest (my sis) and I were close. Now that I'm older and completely understood, I feel horrible, even though it was technically not my fault. I'm already 24, and am still barely able to talk to my brother. I know he loves me, because even though he's not very expressive, he does show that he cares, but you can just feel the distance... I am trying to fix this, but my anxiety often makes me second guess myself. I want to be close with my brother like any normal family, so the thought of Todd driving a wedge in his relationship with his siblings for attention makes me angry. He's definitely done this type of sh*t for years both intentionally and not. While it may seem drastic, considering what other things he did, I think the revenge is just right, he was warned after all. He's selfish and I don't even know how he could live with himself and not even apologize. As for his (I assume) ex and thier kid, while the kid was definitely innocent, the girl definitely wasn't. Who announces their pregnancy at someone else's baby shower?! I think they're cut from the same cloth.
I think you should rephrase this. It doesn't sound like you TOOK attention just you needed more. It can cause the same resentment but it's not from your effort unlike Todd. I hope you and your brother can work things out.
@MamaMOB I said what I said because that is how I feel, not because of how others see it. To me, it isn't about how it happened, but the result. At the end of the day, I did take the attention away from my siblings. After all, my parents had to leave them for weeks or even months to take care of me. Still, thank you. I know my brother, pretty well despite not talking to him much. He's just a little too stubborn for his own good, and I'm a bit too timid when directly addressing familial conflict; 2 traits that don't mix. But, as I've said, it's getting better. 🙂 It's just a little disheartening that he gets triggered by the things I do, yet completely fine when our eldest sibling or our cousins do it, that's all.
I think it would help to have a candid, open conversation about it. IT IS SCARY BEYOND BELIEF TO DO SO lol and I totally understand. But the same thing happened to me, except I was on the other side. My sister had a SIGNIFICANTLY better childhood than I did, and she incurred only half the trauma that I did. But none of it was her fault; it was my parents and older siblings that were just horrible (less so my mom, she was trying her best as an overworked single mother; the rest, they were complete pieces of s***).
We grew up f***ing hating each other. I spited her for how well she got treated over me, and she spited me for resenting her. We were also pitted against each other by our dad and siblings quite often, which fueled the fire. When I was 19, I moved out and went no contact with everyone in my family for two years. After I opened contact with them again, things got a little better with my sister and my mom.
When we were older, I think I was maybe 26 and she was 25 or so? We started getting along a lot better, and she actually came to my defense a lot when I was being judged or criticized by my family. One day we were talking, and it just kind of all came out. We talked about all the things we'd gone through as children, and I told her things I went through that she had NO IDEA about - many of them to protect her. After that, we practically became best friends.
It was extremely difficult and took us a lot to get to this point, but it was SO WORTH IT. At the end of the day, I had always wanted a close relationship to my sister, and I loved her so much; but I was so overcome with the envy and resentment of how we grew up. As an adult I was able to separate the two - it had nothing to do with her (even if she was a little s*** about it sometimes lol, she was just a child), and it was all on our parental figures who caused so much stress and trauma to us. Being in therapy has helped even more in working out those complex feelings.
All of that is to say, you probably don't need to go through all the mess that my sister and I went through lol. But having a straight up, candid, "I'm sorry you went through what you went through as kids, and I feel like there's strain between us because of it but I want to be closer to you," or something along those lines, will make such a huge difference. It might seem hard to believe, but I'm absolutely sure that he's waiting for something like that, too. I'm sure he wants to be closer to you, too, especially because you indicated that he loves you and watches out for you despite the rift.
When my now wife and I were planning our wedding.... Her mom and stepmom began making plans for the reception that we didn't approve of.
The two of them don't like each other. So they were going back and forth, trying to out do one another.
I forgot to mention.... I was the one paying for EVERYTHING!
After constant fighting. And horribly upsetting my future wife....we called off the planned ceremony and reception. And got married privately within the courthouse!
Good for them and you did a smart thing!
GOOD FOR YOU
Wise thing to do. Good for you guys.
Well done!!!
My son and DIL (will be keeping her even if worse comes to worse), are getting married today at 4pm. They fixed the cost of the reception and wedding by doing a potluck, genius. She made her wedding cake, decorations, etc.. It's beautiful and I'm impressed.
Well wishes to the happy couple and I hope you all have a great time!! 😊
Aww good idea. Have fun! Congrats to your son and soon to be wife.
Congratulations and prayers for a lifelong marriage of friends! Enjoy the addition to your family (as it sounds like you will) and soak up the memories.
I will be doing the same thing!! I already told all my guests to bring their favorite dish in lieu of a gift. And I got a ton of donated centerpieces and decorations. It’s going to be a boho up-cycle type. I’m excited, it actually looks so good already.
The potluck idea is brilliant. Ask all guests to bring their specialty or whatever, and usually the food will surpass even that of a caterer.
My brother flew from California (our home state) to Missouri (my current residence) to be at my wedding. It’s about 1800 miles from California to Missouri. I was touched, and it made it the most perfect day. It was a small intimate wedding, immediate family only. Which was exactly what we wanted. I had a lot of family and friends upset about the wedding so they all decided to skip the reception because of it. Which was fine by us, we still got married and I had my parents and all my siblings there to celebrate with and it was more than enough!!
About the todd/lucy thing... i do think its a little odd how quickly she (lucy) believed that todd was hooking up with the random hired lady. Since apprently they were close enough to get engaged, she could have given him the benefit of the doubt but instead chose to immediately throw his things out. Makes me wonder if there were already some trust issues between them or maybe she was already sus of him maybe cheating. Seems more like the pregnant claim was like a last straw deal. Just an observation though
On the other hand, if she was the kind of person for cheating to be a deal breaker, upon being confronted with what seems like proof, it'd be hard to dismiss. Usually the easiest, most obvious explanation is the correct one. Who would ever assume the fake mistress was a paid actress?
@@heathers2581 honestly if I were Lucy even if OP came to me and told me he hired an actress I would just assume he was lying to protect his brother
The fake actress had the guys phone number. Kind of an important detail
@@yabi333 Not just his number, OP states he "messed with Todd's phone to incriminate him", which would indicate he either added her to his contacts or added several (potential sexy) photo's of her to it (even more important detail then her having his number)
The actress effectively showed up with receipts to back up the cheating claim, granted Todd was being set up with fabricated receipts, but those would be more then enough to warrent his gf believing he cheated on her
I totally had a guy ask me to marry him so I wouldn't leave him. I broke up with him, so it didn't work. There were definitely trust problems.
My aunt and uncle had the best wedding. It was a Labor Day barbecue, and per family tradition all of our close family and a good portion of our extended family was there as well. No one knew anything was going to happen, so about an hour in, half of us are in the pool, my aunt says "Hey, there's going to be a wedding out back if anyone wants to come see it." They had a little arch made out of balloons, my dad only knew because he's a lawyer and was able to do the paperwork for them on short notice and officiate for them (My mom nearly murdered him after she found out for letting her go to her sisters wedding in her swim suit) and it was hands down the best wedding experience I've ever had.
That is one of the BEST wedding experiences I've ever heard about! How beautiful, and joyful. Think of all the bridezillas who spent $100,000+ of daddy's money to have a "perfect" wedding, only to have uncomfortable guests and miserable wedding party friends who couldn't wait for it to be over, so they could forget about it.
Your aunt and uncle, on the other hand, created such a wonderful event that those who attended will never stop smiling as they remember that happy day! Brilliant!
@@LazyIRanch Yep. If I ever get married, you bet I'm going to be doing the exact same thing.
I originally planned our wedding to be an engagement party with a surprise wedding but people are weird and would only make time for an actual wedding so if I wanted people there I couldn't surprise them 🤣🤣
That last one got me VEX on a Sunday. Todd got what he deserved! He’s been interrupting his siblings moments for as long as possible and his parents never taught him that his actions have consequences. The world doesn’t revolve around him. Aside from not being able to see his child, he got what was coming. This was a master mind level of Revenge. This was a whole Megatron level of revenge and I’m all here for it.
12:20 Not only did he ruin the wedding, he was specifically approached BEFORE the wedding to not do exactly what he then did despite promising the contrary. He entirely ignored everyone else's feelings, and not for the first time. He lied. I am sorry, he deserves it. What a self-centred piece of work.
At first I was surprised that lucy never thought of the possibility that the 'proof' of cheating could be fake and was a revenge action by their victims. But then I realised, that for her, the power to harm family members is the most attractive feature of Todd. So, that power being broken disqualifies him for her. I think the question whether OP went too far with his revenge, should not only consider the plain circumstance, that Todd proposed during the Father-daughter dance of OP's wedding. There is Todds live long attitude of showing dominance by ruining as much as possible for his brother and sister. And their parents enjoying that. And that after all that, the parents already accused OP for claiming that Todd wanted to propose. Apparently, according to them, Todd proposing at OP wedding, was so horrendous, that even this dominance addicted asshole whould not do that. And then he did. Given the history, this probably has happened before. Denying OP and sister defence against Todd, because the accusation is too horrendous, and by doing that, allowing Todd to do excactly that horrendous thing. So OP and sister are not treated as members of the family, but as enemies. So they have the right to fight back.
Exactly. Which woman is happy that her boyfriend proposes to her on someone elses wedding? It can only be someone who is equally bad as the guy.
@@realglutenfree ^^I was thinking about this when OP said that Lucy announced her pregnancy at Abby's baby shower.... like, that wasn't Todd, it was LUCY.. she has to be at least somewhat like him / okay with that kinda sh*t to do that to her SIL....
@@avarada17 Took the words right outta my mouth!
And it's not OP's fault that Lucy was vindictive and kept Todd's kid from Todd. Lucy sounds like she would have found any excuse to dump Todd the first time he disappointed her. Narcissists are like that.
The last story…. Love it! Petty AF but he lied, lied, lied and ruined the wedding. He now knows what it feels like to ruin an experience
Todd proposed even when he was told not to and did it during the Father Daughter dance just to be petty. He got what he deserved, it's not like he wasn't warned!
He deserved it. But his child didn't deserved it.
Not defending Todd, but he wasn’t warned. He was never told his life was going to fall apart just because he decided to ruin a dance. Sure he was petty, but the OP was being equally as petty. It’s not like he damaged anything at the wedding but yet the OP is still demanding that he pay half of the bill. Sure he was a jerk at the wedding, but the OP was being even more jerky and he ended up pretty much ruining his life. See what I’m saying here?
Best revange ever!
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. He was warned, and did not care. @@moonlordis_theantagonist
@@jessislistless Sure, but there’s a point when a punishment goes just too far.
Every time I watch your wedding videos I'm glad my husband and I got married in a small wedding. I mean small; it was basically my aunt (the notary public), my mother, and two witnesses who were friends of my aunt. Their son took our wedding photos. 7 people counting my husband and me. We had a religious blessing two years later, the same thing, just my mum, aunt, his sister, his mum and dad, and our baby, who was just turning one. Zero stress saved our money. Total bliss, this year we celebrated our 25th anniversary.
I would love to see an episode of nuclear (petty) revenge stories 😊. Also, Todd was warned and proceeded to disregard and disrespect is brother and his new wife so…you cannot control how someone react/respond. He (Todd) had total control of his decision though 🤷🏽♀️
Totally. I mean, he'd already been told that it wasn't OK. It would've been bad enough if he'd done it without asking, but doing it against his brother's wishes and at a key moment for his SIL- so disrespectful!
Todd f^cked around and found out.
There was a child involved, though. That fact changed my opinion on the punishment fitting the crime.
Happy Saturday, Everyone.
A spoiled brat at 29?
During the Father Daughter Dance?
All bets are off!
I'm glad he got PUNISHED.😌👍🏽 Finally, justice ⚖️ was served. (I also hope he sees 👀 this video 📹, and reads my comment.😂😏👍🏽😎)
That story about the entitled cousin making demands for the wedding is exactly why my partner and I will be having a small wedding with only immediate family and close friends. We had initially wanted to have a bigger wedding, but both our families are toxic and we agreed it would be best to have something smaller.
I had about only 15 ppl at my wedding, my husband’s and I close friends and family, was at the house, we decorated, had cake afterwards and it was a lot of fun, no drama, nothing bad happened, and we had the best honeymoon because we were able to save for it.
good for you. hope it goes well 💖
My family is toxic and even if they weren't, they're all a bunch of alcoholics who would for sure get wasted and ruin the party. Only thing is I don't have any friends either so he's going to have a decent amount of family AND friends and my side will be practically empty. I don't want to be depressed on my wedding day so I'm determined to make some friends.
If I ever get married, it will be family only. My parents (if they’re still around) my sisters, nieces and nephews and probably great nieces and nephews, too, because why not? And the clergy who performs the ceremony. That’s less than 20 people right now (on my side).
We did close friends and close family. Our rule was if we hadn't seen someone in more than 2 years, they wouldn't be invited, family or friend. It's not that we don't like them, it just didn't make any sense to spend the money and deal with the extra hassle and planning.
We traveled 2 hours with a 15 month old in a suit, To my SIL's wedding. It was a gorgeous, remote, mountain location. It was beautiful. He was the only baby there because he was her nephew. It was an angel (miracle in itself).
We then had to travel.
An hour to the reception hall. It was a beautiful glorious day. My mother in law was in a wheelchair And she did just fine.
MIL didn't want to go because it would be too hard. She had a great time!
I once found out that the guy I had been seeing had a girlfriend and new born baby. I told her. Like an hour later, he started calling and yelling because she denied him access to his kid and it was "all my fault". But nobody was keeping him from filling for visitation or idk.... not cheating.
That's the closest I've got to the last story. But I didn't feel bad about it.
Yeah, but he was ACTUALLY CHEATING. You did the right thing. The last one got framed for cheating and now his kid's family is screwed up unneccesarily.
I would have given that gf all the incriminating evidence too , and some of his uncomfortable secrets too .
@Subrata Nandy ofc I did. Including the fact that i found out that he was with me the night she gave birth.
@A non mouse Thanks. I think so too. And i did feel bad about the kid but like... I didn't know.
@@candacestamper6769 GUUUURRRRL!!!!.......wtf? He was with you while baby momma was giving birth to his kid?!?!?!......you did the rite thing!!! He's a total AHOLE!
Todd totally got what was coming to him. This isn’t the first time he’s ruined a family event by making it all about him. And the groom specifically addressed the issue before the wedding.
And he blatantly warned him that he wasn't going to get away with it scot-free. Sure, it was an asshole move, but like…only an asshole would be able to get the message across by that point. xD
@@slsthewriter1299 Fight fire with fire, honey!
But this revenge hurts his kid.
@@loosilu Having that douche nugget as an example of what a man should be is more hurtful to a kid than knowing your father got his just desserts after being a douche nugget.
@@loosilu i grew up without both my parents and i came out good, the kid is an innocent bystander at this point, but the problem relies on the kid's parents. They're both manipulative narcissistic people, who had to learned a good lesson. There's such a word as coparenting, it's not good in away, but the kids will still be able to see both parents IF only both parents can come up with a plan on how to deal with the situation they are on (especially since it was their own doing since the brother warned Todd about his behavior before the whole thing even happened.)
As the older sibling I was always told by my mother to be the bigger person. 25 years later and sometimes you just boil over. I would have been so unbelievably livid that my own sibling ruined my new brides most intimate and special moment of her wedding. You seriously couldn't have waited one more day? He deserves what he got.
I added this video to watch later just so I could listen to the last story again. So good
I got married at J.O.P. We had 5 people with us, gave them individual boxed cupcakes with our names and wedding date on them with a goodie bag and drove off for the weekend. Best thing I could’ve done. Stress free. Still married. 🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰
Right? I’ve been married for 35 years, we came from a small town so everyone in town was invited. No telling people what hair color to have, or what colors they are allowed to wear… all the small shit people worry about now is so ridiculous!
@@ReesieandLee 🤗
I did the same but with just 2 people and a pint at the pub down the road after 😂 married for 8 years this April, best decision ever
My first wedding was at JP, with just my brother and SIL. We went to a friend's garage sale immediately afterwards, then went home to the house we had just rented to arrange furniture and unpack boxes.
We were poor, in other words.
The marriage only lasted a year and ended in disaster, but at least the wedding only cost $75!
By disaster, I mean that the only surviving video of that day, the video my SIL made, is part of an episode of "Unsolved Mysteries". I have a dvd copy but haven't watched it in 20 years. It's never good when your wedding video is narrated by Robert Stack.
@@LazyIRanch Holy crap! Are you for real? 😲
I heard from a lifelong friend that when she and her (now ex) husband were planning their guest list, he noticed that my family was right after her parents and siblings. Note: our dads were college roommates. Our moms were each other’s maids of honor. I was born eight months after my friend, and her brother was born six days before my sister. We… see each other as family. Sharing clothes and the like.
Her then-fiancé did not understand this. This Close Friendship our families have. His first reaction, apparently was to ask my friend, “Why you want her (meaning me) to come? Is she going to wear that weird black scarf?” I still have this black scarf, and I don’t wear it everyday now, but I used to. I’d tie it in place, and let it trail down my back. It was my Statement. This actually led to my friend not talking to him for a few days because she was that mad at him. She told him “All of my siblings will be invited! My three sisters and my brother.”
But… they are divorced now (he was a stupid cheater). And my friend got the dog, so she feels she got the better option
Glad she kept the real one and not the pos. Good for her for that
@@powerdream4you And Blue loves her mama. Of course she’ll stay with my friend! Because she’s an adorable, loyal pup
Well, the way you describe that scarf is a bit weird.
With the Todd story... I feel like we don't have enough information to say "the punishment doesn't fit the crime" op only gave us a summary but he and his sister literally lived in a house with parents who played favorites their entire life and they were more than likely on the receiving end of decades of emotional abuse. So this stunt mY not even be REMOTELY close to being as bad as some of the things that op and his sister went through at the hands of his spoiled brother and parents who played favorites
I agree. This type of reaction only really occurs with YEARS of pent up resentment and anger from being emotionally hurt and damaged. Who knows what else all happened prior to this?
Exactly my thoughts as well. Judging Todd's selfish actions at OP's wedding as an isolated event might make OP's revenge seem too much, but I bet if we got a full recap of what OP and sis had to put up with over the decades, cumulatively, Todd got exactly what he deserved.
I think a lot of people would say punishment doesn't fit the crime because Lucy was also extremely hurt and there is an innocent kid in all of this who suddenly has one parent who absolutely despises the other. This isn't something that only the jacka$$ brother was affected by.
But another commenter above pointed out that Lucy isn't completely innocent, either, what with announcing her pregnancy at someone else's baby shower.
I think that yeah, OP may have taken things a bit too far, but I also think he's justified in doing it. He told the brother not to do anything, and warned him that he'd regret it if he did. Well, I'm sure he regrets it.
Also, how much you wanna bet he let that receipt fall out of his pocket on purpose, with the mindset of, "OP can't stop me from doing this"?
Love watching all the wedding videos. It really does reaffirm the way I got married was the best. Registry office, our kids and (living) parents (my husbands father was no longer with us before we got married), and us. Quick pub meal afterwards and went camping with our kids 😊
I'm getting married in the fall and I've made it very clear that a certain aunt and uncle will not be invited as they will spend the whole time judging my wedding....I have a very gothic wedding planned and they have already proven to judge people (with tattoos) at my cousins wedding last year....it took some time for my dad to come to terms (his sister) but thankfully I have such a supportive mom to help him understand how terrible the wedding would become with their hostility/ comments. Definitely only invite people who matter to you not just bc they are "family"
I'd love to see photos of your wedding. Fall? Goth? My interest is piqued!
I will never stop recommend to hire security for your wedding. Let them know whos not welcome and who to keep an eye on and you can relax. Best investment ever! They also can remove drunk unruly people that become unbearable.
Good call. I understand why they would judge you lol
For the last story, that was about a whole lot more than the wedding. Clearly 'Todd' is immensely entitled because he was already planning on doing the proposal without telling his brother, THE GROOM of the wedding, about it. He had already decided and he messed around till he surely found out. 😇😇
The groomsman spotting the receipt was a freaking miracle. Without it, Todd 10000% would have just done it with no consequence. This way, they clock it, tell OP, the brother denies it, he *promises* he won't, and then does it anyway. At least this way OP had a chance to have a plan in place. And if he'd just kept his promise, I'm even mostly sure that OP wouldn't have lit the fuse on that fake side piece.
@@petrastedman669Gotta love Jim😂 He's a better bro than Todd.
Cute wedding story: My cousin who lives in Texas (I Florida) sent me an invitation to his wedding, even though I couldn’t go, because it was Alice in Wonderland themes invitations and he knew I like Alice in Wonderland. It was a really sweet thing to think of me 😊
Lemme guess.... former "kissing cousins"?😏😂😉😉😎✌🏽 (I'm only joking😏😂✌🏽😘)
@@Aaron-TheHandsome you need to get off the internet, and go outside.
Trust me, you'll be better for it.
That was super nice of them to do! My dad and stepmom had an Alice and wonderland themed reception, and hand crafted/painted wooden signs with all the locations from the story, and a wonderland themed cake.
It was waaay cooler then the more traditional wedding vibe, anything like fantasy themed or with a literary or cool series or nerdy reference/theme that the couple enjoys just make for really really fun weddings to attend.
@@Aaron-TheHandsome gag no 🤣 I mean I love him, he’s my cousin but 🤮 🤣 (plus he’s WAY too old)
What a fun theme! That was one of my favorite books as a child. I had a gorgeous old copy from the 1920s that had great illustrations all through it. I especially love the Cheshire Cat, and I've always related to the Dormouse; sleepy and often missing out on things!
I wish I still had that book. It was stolen during a house party, along with my beloved 1961 (the year I was born) record album of twist music. Some people! Never knew who took them.
I didn't get to go to my niece's wedding but I sure wanted to. She and her wife got married as soon as it became legal in Texas. Their wedding was October, on Friday the 13th! The theme was Halloween and cute but spooky stuff. Lots of black kitties, pumpkins, and Dia de los Muertos painted skeleton decor. She has a masters degree in Theatre and works as director/producer/ actress for a professional theatre company in Dallas, so she got to borrow some fun props.
I'm sure that the evangelical members of the family are still trying to find pieces of their skulls after their heads all exploded! Several of my cousins unfriended me on Facebook because of my response to their hateful posts about how my dear niece and her beloved, and all who supported their "unholy union", would be tortured in hell for all of eternity. I told them that I agree with everything Jesus said about Love and homosexuality, and I suggested that if they are against gay weddings, then they shouldn't have one... and MYOB!! 😉🌈
Babes, I've recently been to a funeral where the grandparents were annoyed at how long the wake would take because traffic would be bad afterwards and they had to go home. Mind you, the deceased was a 22-year-old who unexpectedly passed away from covid. It was something like... "how long until he's 6ft under? can't you do it any faster? there'll be traffic!"
I was invited to be a groomsman that would have required a $500 suit. I was in college and there was no way I could afford it. So I politely declined and just attended as a guest. I didn’t tell them that was an insanely priced suit and my objections to it. I just said, “sorry, I’m not in a position to buy that kind of a suit.” Plain and simple. It’s their wedding, my thoughts on the require wardrobe are irrelevant.
It's such a strange concept to me how in the USA weddings seem so over regulated and attending them so pricey.
I'm German, have been married twice and have attended a good share of weddings in my life.
Apart from themed weddings (There was a medieval one and guests were asked to come in medieval style costumes) I've never been asked or heard from a wedding were guests have been asked to wear a certain type of wardrobe, pay a certain amount of money or whatever. In Germany you'll get an invitation with date and time and that's that, at least in my experience.
Also I've never been confronted with guests demanding such and such treatment, that's so weird!
@@sleepynightowl1550 It's a strange concept in the US, too. Every wedding I've been to has been fairly modest: the bride either had family make the dresses or chose an inexpensive option, and there were no weird expectations for guests or from guests. People who expect their wedding party to spend that kind of money are either too wealthy to know the difference, or are just plain bad at managing money and are probably going into debt for the event. Jayc's story just goes to show that there's a mature way to handle odd situations so they don't blow up to the point that they're talked about on TH-cam.
Hearing that is such a relief, I thought everyone was going bonkers with their marriages over there 😄 Thank you for sharing!@@melanie62954
To be fair, the wedding i mentioned did not have requirements for guests. Just the bridesmaids and groomsmen. That’s why I attended as a guest. But I agree, if you’re going to require clothes that cost that much then you pay for it. But it’s your wedding, so I’ll just decline if I can’t afford to be your groomsman
You handled it well.
I still don't understand why bridesmaids and groomsmen would be required to wear a certain attire though.
Well, I don't understand the need for more than one groomsman or bridesmaid either to be honest.
Here in Germany the bride and groom will just pick one best man and one maid of honor.
Usually the best friends of bride and groom, but sometimes their brother or sister.
Typically best man and maid of honor help out should a mishap or problem arise and they're most often the ones who organize some party games and surprises.
But the only thing that's required of them is to stand witness to the marriage and sign the certificate along with bride and groom.
They're never expected to wear special clothing or pay an enormous amount of money for anything.@@jayc222
Last story: I don't know, the first time I read this I felt like OP went a bit overboard, because not only did he mess up Todd's relationship (which I'd be totally on board with), but also destroyed a family and now that a child is involved .. I don't know.
On the other hand it was by far not the first stunt Todd has pulled an OP warned him that he'd regret it, so yeah ... kinda in the middle slightly swaying towards NTA.
Edit: Good point that one redditor brought up, there was no apology whatsoever, just another demand of "FIX THIS!"
On the other hand, how strong is the relationship when she believes her future husband has another girlfriend and reacts like that?
A guy we hardly knew and we only invited to our wedding because he hung out with my husband's friends, annoyingly announced to all our mutual friends that him and his gf were pregnant and were having Twins and showed everyone the scans (they had only been together like 4ish months) I almost cried because my husband and I had been struggling to fall pregnant which he knew. Needless to say we didn't talk to him again.
I don't blame you that guy was toxic and being like that it's a wonder why he even has friends especially if he knew what you both were going through.
That dude is a horrible person. Like he had no respect for y’all. I’m sorry that happened.
Oof dang
Mentioning your gf is pregnant when a friend you haven’t seen asks whats new/up at a wedding is one thing but deciding to announce to everyone for the very first time there then bust out scans (likely no one really cares to see) is a whole other thing. It’s such an odd and extremely self-centered move to assume people care that much to see your blob baby shape when you can’t spare a thought for the bride and grooms baby struggles. Someone needs to pop his bubble.
I'm so sorry that happened to you and I hope one day you can have your little precious in tour arms safe and healthy. Sending all the love and support
the Todd one was absolutely beautiful I wishhhhhh I could've seen it
I'm just going to say that if I had been a guest at the wedding that Todd proposed at, it would have been the best wedding ever (aside from my own).
Since Todd has failed to apologize, yet still wants his brother to straighten things out for him, it is obvious he has learned nothing. His baby mama must not trust him too much to jump straight to guilty and break up their family. If mommy and daddy ever give Todd a chance to grow up, he might figure out that he can file for visitation. He probably can't handle any actual custody yet, as his parents still seem to have custody of him. Maybe mommy-daddy-Todd parenting classes are in order.
Mommy- Daddy-Todd classes 😂 I’m dying.
I agree about the girlfriend though. Why WOULD she jump straight to believing it? Hmmmmm?????? That is a great question.
@@fourlittlebirds6166 Maybe Todd should ask for a DNA test on "his" kid?
@@fourlittlebirds6166 I agree. I was thinking of something similar. I mean, "Lucy"/GF must be semi-gullible at least and not the smartest if she was so quick to believe "Todd" cheated. I don't think this was said in the post, but if (even if not) "Todd," after this fake pregnant ex showed up, said to "Lucy" that he doesn't know this other woman and swears that he isn't the father, and if one thinks about where "Todd" was x months ago (however many months the fake other woman was "pregnant") and what he was up to... "Lucy" doesn't seem to trust "Todd" very much or have much faith in him since she basically believes this other woman, no questions asked. Even with the other woman having his # and whatnot - because there is more than one way someone can get someone else's # and other evidence can be faked (clearly since it was done in this story) or explained in some other way.
So I actually have a really cool story about my cousin’s wedding. She invited all their family, and during the bouquet toss, her older brother stood next to her, then my cousins handed the bouquet to her brother’s girlfriend and he proposed. They had been planning it. It was actually pretty cool.
See, that's fine because it was planned with the bride, and the bride was okay with it, and it was during the bouquet toss, which is literally supposed to be a fun game to predict which of the single female realtives will get married next.
Omg that's so cute
That's sweet, if you clear it with the bride and groom first, and they don't mind. These things can be done tactfully!
I've seen videos like that, some where the bride even hands the bouquet to the girl being proposed to, it's so sweet and special!
My sister-in-law did the same thing with my mom.
Just a PSA: you don't have to invite your entire family unless you have a good relationship with them! Weddings are supposed to be a celebration of the couple, not a source of family drama and stress! If you don't have a good relationship with someone, it's not worth it to invite them. Yes, some people may get offended, but if they don't care about you enough to have a relationship with you, then what they think about you doesn't matter.
I got invited to a wedding, was told they don't want presents just cash, was told all the guests were splitting the total wedding bill so it wouldn't cost them a cent and they had dinner menus with prices on everything down to the water. i worked with the groom for a year and we weren't even friends, i think they invited everyone they knew in the hopes of making it free or even turning a profit, needless to say i ''was busy'' that weekend and heard less than 10 people showed up.
That last one wasn’t petty revenge - it was nuclear. And I love it. Lol I’ve had it up to *here* with entitlement and even if the punishment doesn’t fit the crime, he made his own bed and I feel very little sympathy.
On another note, why would Lucy be happy/say yes to a proposal like that? If I got proposed to at a wedding *with* the bride and groom’s approval, I gotta be honest.. I’d be a little disappointed that my big day has to be shared and overshadowed because the couple’s wedding memories will always outshine my engagement day memories. Selfishly, I’d rather have my own day with my own engagement event instead of sharing it with a couple’s wedding day. But DURING THE FATHER DAUGHTER DANCE?? I’d be mortified omg. Not only is that terribly embarrassing and looks super rude and entitled, it’s just straight up uncomfortable to have something like that happen while the spotlight is on someone else. I’d say no and run out of that reception hall like a bat out of hell. Not enough Pepto in the world to calm down my anxious stomach after a stunt like that Lolol
Given that Lucy was not only willng but EAGER to announce her pregnancy at Abby's baby shower, she would have eaten that up.
Plus Lucy was happy to announce her pregnancy during someone else's baby shower. But was surprisingly quick to believe that Todd was cheating on her (methinks he's cheated before), and now they are going to have a very nasty custody battle over their kid. So yeah... If I was the groom I'd just cut them out of my life and if the parents don't like it... Tough shit.
I agree as the GF, I'd be mortified if my BF did that and during the father daughter dance no less. But remember she also announced her pregnancy at the sisters baby shower so seems Lucy and Todd are a good entitled match .
I agree on that too. I would want my own special engagement. Not a pitty public scene
My bf and I have been together for about 25 years ( yeah I don't get why people get married except for tax/legal reasons that's why we are not married yet). Also, im lazy). About 12 years ago we attended our friends wedding and both of them tried to talk him into proposing to me. Had he done so, I would have never talked to him again because it was their day and would have been so weird. In retrospect, the bride said she was happy he didn't for the same reason.
For the last story: My mom and I think the revenge on Todd was a but too much considering that there is a kid involved. But honestly, it was kind of deserved. He was warned beforehand repeatedly, he lied that he wasn’t going to do it, and he proposed at one of the most important moments in the reception. He paid for his entitled and spoiled behavior. Also, regarding Todd’s gf Lucy announcing her pregnancy at her boyfriend’s sister’s baby shower is a whole other level of audacity tbh. It’s one thing to announce at a blood relative’s baby shower. But to announce it on your boyfriend’s sister’s baby shower????
Honestly i only feel bad for the kid for having such dispicable parents. I hope op would look out for that kid because i dont think the mom is sane for pulling that stunt
@@x_rouxi_ian_x4804i think if he apologised they would admit what they did
@@hamstergal643mais il ne s'est jamais excusé de tout ce qu'il leur à fait autant à sa soeur qu'a son frère 🙅♀️🤷♀️ but he never apologies for all hè have done before for he s sister babyshower/ wedding brother so...
I'm pretty sure the side piece was told only to step in if Todd did start to propose. I feel bad for the kid yes, but Todd was warned, he has done things like this before, and he did this during one of the most intimate parts of the wedding after lying about it. He only has himself to blame. If he isn't willing to admit he was wrong then OP has absolutely no reason to tell everyone the truth. Especially with Todd's record for things like this. It's also on OP's parents as well, they catered to his selfish and spoiled behavior which led to him being the way he is now. I personally would probably have done the sane if my sibling had a track record of this.
I agree that the young brother needed a HARSH lesson to grow up already, but that was brutal , he could have thought of another way of revenge. I'm pretty sure it even effected the wedding atmosphere negatively
That revenge on Todd was years worth of built up resentment 😂 I'm not mad at it
Yes, destroying an innocent child's relationship with his father due to a lie is fantastic! All because a dance was interrupted, a child now can't live with his father unless dragged through court.
@@Steph-yz4tn well, he shouldn't have proposed when specifically asked not to.
@@Steph-yz4tn no, it happened because of a lifetime of childhood trauma and he is an asshole, kid will be better off
Was it a bit too far, I think so, but like you said, the OP makes it clear that this was not the first time "Todd" has pulled something like this. I think you're right this wasn't just for the wedding or baby shower stunt. This had been coming for him for years.
But, it's not fair to the kid in his relationship.
@@Steph-yz4tn
Did you not watch the video? This was not just over a dance at a wedding but YEARS of resentment built up from a spoiled entitled asshat who had payback coming to him for a loooonnnng time now!
The end of the questioning is atthe line of are the paying for it no? Then they have NO say.
As for the last one, Hell to the YES!! Todd got what he deserved. I lived up until about 12 years ago as the ugly red-headed stepchild. And I was the oldest . ( Started when I was 9, I'm now 64.) Once the sibling was adopted, I was put on the back burner for a lot of my life. And once the sibling had their first child (bearing the family name, since he was a boy), it started happening to my daughter as well. When she looked at her cousins's piles of presents from my parents, and the one present from them to her (part of which was something I'd given my mom 10 years before), her eyes filled up with tears. All I could say to her was "Welcome to my world, baby girl." The sibling in question had destroyed things of mine, made things up about me, and pretty much got everything he asked for handed to him. I never got to taste revenge as sweet as OP's. Kudos, man!!! I get it!!
The same. I was the biodaughter with a brother like your sibling. I could be the stepchild for all my mother did to me. The difference is the made stuff went too far and almost cost my life.
My mother HAAAATED her brother for this very reason. Only boy, youngest, also in an Irish family the boy is put on a pedestal. My grandma even critized my mom for treating all her children as equal. Smh
@@Willowy13 I’m so sorry. 😢💔❤️
@@caffeinatedkatie4696 How in the world??? I’m trying to imagine the words that would need to come out of someone’s mouth to say that you should vary the amount of live and care that you give to your children. That you’re a bad parent for not doing so. I’m flabbergasted. And mad. On y’all’s behalf.
@frankkiejo5560 sometimes cultural things are rooted in misogyny. My mom wasn't about that life. My grandma came from a different time and culture. Doesn't make it right but it explains it a bit.
My parents didn't like my fiancé and told me I couldn't invite any family to my wedding. I ended up having a $400 wedding. We had a Justice of the Peace and a cookout with a couple of friends and my neighbors. My parents found out a year and a half later...we let someone else drop the hint 😄😄
Omg, that actually sounds fab. I wish you both well and I hope you are happy. Weddings are so expensive and I would rather spend that time with people who love me than stress over the people who birthed me.
@@ladyscarlette6289 Thank you so much! ❤️ I had a luxury that most brides don't...a stress-free wedding 😉❤️
I love this!!!!
@melaniereese5226 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 you go queen and congratulations
@@brightonboy191 It was definitely way more fun than something extravagant 😄
I have an entitled guest story from my own wedding:
I invited one of my good friends and her boyfriend. I saw them during the ceremony. She kept waving at me trying to get my attention during the ceremony which was pretty annoying but then they just disappeared after that. They didn't even return for dinner. I was a little annoyed because that was two dinners that we had to pay for, even though they RSVP'd and gave their dinner order to the staff. I was more concerned about my friend than anything. I sent her a text the next day to find out what happened.
Her reply: "We left because you weren't spending any time with us. I thought we were going to hang out after the ceremony but you left so fast, and took wayyyy too long taking photos. We got bored. Oh, and the appetizers were gross." I let her know that it wasn't fair just to leave since we had to pay for the dinners that went to waste. I told her that I couldn't hang out with her because was attending my own wedding and the day was very busy. She proceeded to call me a f***ing bitch and to never contact her again. I wish I had never invited her!
I would hope that she's no longer considered a friend of yours.
What an idiot to assume that you’d hang out with anyone at their wedding. The couple has enough to deal with at the wedding and reception. It’s their day.
I hope you sent her the bill for her two dinners.
You should share it with Charlotte herself.
@@gabesmom29 Right? Especially during the *ceremony* . Trying to say your vows and your friend is just trying to wave at you, what are you supposed to do? Stop everything and say "OK Linda, I see you! Thanks for coming" 😂
The brother who hired the homewrecker was diabolical genius!
Todd /brother thing - was told not to ruin the wedding or he will regret it, did it anyway.
Always consequences for our actions - he had his karma served up fresh in front of everyone. Centre of attention- what he wanted 😁
What if the situation were reversed?!
I'd do the same thing or give them exactly what they want and have it announced in an exaggerated way over the PA system and they're paying for the bar so everyone drink up on an engaged couple's dime. They'd probably be so embarrassed to point trying to leave but still owe thousands on bar bill.
I had a few relatives from my groom's side and my own side who were insistent that they "help" us plan the wedding. This was after we made our own plans for the wedding we wanted. I told them that if they wanted a say in changing reservations and making decisions that they would have to pay $5000 each for that privilege. That sure quieted them down.
Brilliant!
Considering my wedding back in 1993 only cost us about 2000 in total (including dresses, reception etc but it was only 60 people) I could have made some serious cash!!! We had just built our home and had moved in about 6 weeks before the wedding and were living on ramen and crackers so we could pay for everything.. The money my parents had put aside for my wedding we had used (with their permission) for the house deposit and we did most of the decorating etc ourselves. Mum made my dress, my best friends mum decorated the cake that my sister made (we paid them both), my best friends sister in law made the bridesmaid dresses (I paid for the material and for her to make them) and a friend of my sister was a starting out chef who made all the food for our wedding lunch which was a buffet (and we paid him too and got to take home the leftovers..which wasn't much because the food was amazing... oh those profiteroles were divine!). I gave my brother 8 rolls of film and told him to go nuts taking pics, another mate had an awesome sound system and dj'd for us and we hired the local football hall and decorated it ourselves with my parents bringing up heaps of roses, ivy and bottle brush from my parents garden. It was a really laid back wedding, lots of fun and we all had a great time.
I was so hoping the wedding proposal would go exactly the way it did. I would wait about a month and then tell the girlfriend it was done to teach him a lesson about stealing other people's special moments. And make sure she understands that she and her children will never be the center of attention, so think about the life she wants. And then, I would deploy the last stage of the nuclear option. Full no contact with Todd and let the parents know even the slightest mention of Todd when they are around him and his family - that's an immediate end to the visit. Neither Todd nor his parents will ever change so there's no point in having them around.
Girlfriend stole attention too at the babyshower of Abby.
SHE was the one announcing.
They are both one of a kind.
I like how you think. Perfect way to end the story
@@andreavoros-marky4203 ooh, I would just never tell her, in that case.
I agree. That is the BEST option.
Your last story was on the channel BEAMAZED as well. I LOVED IT!
My son proposed to his gf at my wedding with my help. When I would've normally thrown my bouquet, I turned around and handed it to her and then my son got on his knee... I was so happy and excited that we were all able to enjoy this moment! ❤
I'm dying from how cute that is
This is sweet!!!
Now that is a really nice and cute way of doing it.
Todd on the other hand.......
The major difference is you were in on it and consented to it 100%. OP told Todd if he did it he would regret it and he not only did it, but during the father daughter dance too and at that point it was free reign and fair game
That's adorable, because you were in on it. Imagine if he had just stolen the moment there's a big difference between sharing a special moment and stealing one (not that I think you're defending todd)
The revenge against Todd was probably revenge against everything he had gotten away with in life, not just the proposal. With a sister like that, I can completely understand. There has been more than one occasion that I had to steer clear, or I may be one less sibling because of her actions.
My cousin got married a few years ago. Growing up, she was the black sheep of her family. She’s adopted and once her parents had a natural born child, she became an afterthought and someone to blame for everything.
My parents and I loved her to bits and made her feel safe and relaxed. Even when her family moved to China (her parents got teaching jobs there), I still felt incredibly close to her.
She came back to Canada when we were in Uni and I still felt like she was one of the dearest people in my life. She was there for me when I went through bad breakups and vice versa. When I met her now husband I even made sure to let him know he’d have to deal with me if he ever hurt her. 😜
After they started getting more serious, though, she drifted away. She also started trying to make things work with her parents and younger sister (who hates her and claims she’s the cause of all her mental illnesses despite being her older sister’s bully from the time she could talk). I was happy she could forgive their neglect and resolve things, though I personally did not understand. I’m not as forgiving of mistreatment from parents towards their children.
I always thought we’d be in each other’s weddings. When I was little, I always told her I wanted her to be my maid of honour and wedding coordinator in one, Cos she’s super good with money and really organized. I thought we’d make a great team, and I let her know I’d be there for her at her wedding. She never expressed the same sentiments to me, but she’s a pretty stoic person who doesn’t show emotion much so I didn’t really see it for the red flag it was…
By the time she got married, we were no contact. She had distanced herself for a while and eventually ghosted me. I never knew why. I still wanted to be in her life, but I backed off when I realized I was not wanted.
When I was dumped by who i thought was the love of my life, she didn’t even reach out to console me. At least not until her mother said something. I decided I would officially let the relationship go, as much as it hurt, because she had moved on and no longer really thought about or cared for me. We haven’t spoken in years.
When the wedding rolled around, my parents got an invite. I did not. I wasn’t planning on going, but I did at least expect an invitation. Turns out they had decided a blanket “no cousins” rule, even though the groom had a cousin desperate to go and a great aunt willing to let her take her spot and me who, while I did not want to go, had at one point been more of a sister to my cousin than hers ever was.
I’ll admit, it stung. Even though I didn’t want to or plan on going if invited. I guess it felt like that final nail in the coffin in our relationship, especially since she seemed to think my parents ought to be invited knowing they would never go to her wedding if I was going to be excluded (I’m an only child and the three of us are tight knit - you get all of us, or none of us, which they are aware of). Kinda felt like they only sent the invite so my parents would feel obligated to send a wedding gift in exchange for their non-attendance.
It’s ok. I’m not really in contact with most of my family. We’re pretty dysfunctional and there’s been lots of abuse towards my parents that I have decided never to forgive, even if my parents are ok letting it go. I wish I had their patience and grace. Instead of family, I have a close network of friends on whom I can rely who are far kinder, more helpful, and more loving than my extended family ever was, all while being just as dysfunctional. 🙂
I think the difference between me and some of these AITA people are that, while I was irrationally hurt by a family member’s decision around their wedding, I didn’t say a thing. I expressed my sadness to my mum and left it alone. I didn’t pick a fight or pitch a fit. I haven’t even really thought about it until binge watching Charlotte’s wedding drama videos. 😝 guess I just wanted to vent.
I know what it's like to lose someone even though we used to be so close, but it's good to hear you're surrounding yourself with kinder people 😊
@@Necromancer0225 thanks. ❤️
It's crazy that you and your parents seem to be the only decent people in your family. 💀 But I'm glad you're no contact with most of them and I hope you guys can heal from the shit they've given. Truly disappointed in people.
I am sorry. It seems like this girl was ungrateful to a T. In a way she treated you and your family like an afterthought... just like hers did to her when the biodaughter was born. It seems she fixed the relatioship with her adoptive parents and then forgot to people that supported her along the way.
As much as it hurts, you don't want someone like this in your life.
@@Willowy13 I don't think she really fixed the relationship with the adoptive parents. They probably blamed all their problems on this other family so now she has rewritten the story to make it seem as if they were actually to blame for her parents' behavior. This cousin is a reminder that she was the blacksheep of the family, so now she is exclusing her because she doesn't want to remember. Unfortunately, I suspect they are using her for something, so that's why they're treating her nicely at the moment. Once she has a real problem in life, they will turn their backs on her again.
During Covid my cousin got married and started a new tradition, live streaming it for family who couldn’t attend and it been absolutely lovely