Essential 3-Gun Gear with Chris Cheng
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In this video, special guest Chris Cheng talks shop about 3-gun gear. Chris discusses the guns that he started the sport with, what he would recommend to new shooters interested in starting 3-gun and some of the top tier products that he and other shooters use to keep up with the competition.
Eric and Chris also have an impromptu shooting competition so stay tuned to the video to find out who won. Also, be sure to check Chris out on the web and social media through the links above.
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Chris really seems like a class act and works well with Eric. Great video guys.
They did not like each other
+Elias Blakely (FantasticSloth) evidence?
+Con Cuo watch 29:25 and 30:30 to the end with you eyes closed
+Elias Blakely (FantasticSloth) its a pissing contest I wonder what was said between cuts
I think they were salty AF, lol "too cocky"
I saw a documention of this in german tv a couple weeks ago. The anti-gunners say something like "3gun is rampage-training" and the reporter said "he hits every target with terrifying accuracy" once...
I'd ask him when's the last time a 3-gun shooter actually did I rampage
+Hans LPs Maybe they should ban Indy Car then ?? Because it shows cars driving fast and a 100,000 die on the road each year.
+Alex Moore its never happened, not in all gun sporting history.
+Hans LPs I thought most people who went on a "rampage" was like someone who bought the guns spontaneously (perhaps within a year time span), then used it maybe once at the range, then carried out their "rampage." You rarely hear reports on exactly how they "trained" with their guns but I would guess that in most circumstances the guns were kept "hidden" because of their fear of getting "caught."
Matter of fact, I recall that one guy who went on a rampage tried to sign up for a tactical class or range membership but the range employee thought he was so weird and strange that he told him to leave.
It's a pretty retarded argument.
No one trains day in and day out for decades, spending dozens of thousands of dollars on equipment and ammo to become a spree-killer. That's just stupid.
You could spend far less time, effort and money making a dirty bomb that kills tens of thousands.
While I respect Chris, I take my 3-gun advice from Ian from Forgotten Weapons and his pal Karl on Inrange TV. I mean who doesn't want to run around with WW1 rifles and webbing. You never know when you'll need a bayonet.
+ScoobTEQ At least you get to wear a cool hat :D
I dislike your sarcasm cuz I'm a poor guy who watches history cannle and can't accept that my garand won't stand up to an ar10
Just like the Japanese put bayonets in their machine guns, because why not?
the only rifle i have at the moment is a Kentucky musket will that work for a 3 gun match
+Corey Hollett Probably not; reload is too fast.
+Corey Hollett mm don't think so
+Corey Hollett Just put a pistol grip, compensator, and RMR and you're golden.
+Corey Hollett I'd pay to see that.
Corey Hollett No one would be able to handle those 5 hour reloads
I got a bone stock PSA ar-15, a Mossberg maverick 88, and a H&R 922. Lets do this.....
To all you folks that think it takes a fortune to compete in 3-gun matches, it doesn't. You can literally go shoot a match with a $600 AR-15, a $300 used Glock or M&P 9mm pistol and a $400 Mossberg or Remington 12ga pump shotgun. Sure, many of the 3 Gun Nation pros you see on TV have guns that are well over $2,000 each and even way higher, but that doesn't mean YOU have to have the same thing to participate. The best thing you can do is take the gear you already have and go shoot a match. You'll learn a TON from talking with the other people in your squad and have a great time while you're at it.
Chris seems like a down to earth all around great guy. It's great to see that someone that's loves the sport is not just a great marksman, but a humble guy too. I hope he continues to do well in the sport. Eric, great video, great choice of guest and awesome tactical beard bro!
Rock on!
Please make more meltdown videos! Like the Glock, AK-47 and AR-15!
One for the G36
+Hagen L85, it would be one mag lol
They already have
+donald nelson lol, they tried to break one with "conventional" methods and failed.
+donald nelson I thought Glock was supposed to be the most reliable handgun in the world? Even the Glock bit the dust
Chris Cheng is freaking awesome!
400 water melons? Do you want ants? Because that is how you get ants.
Ugh, dude, that's why they train on 3 gun...
Looks like a lot of fun! I wonder if there are "amateur hour" 3 gun setups for people who just want to try it.
I love these longer form videos.
Excellent video!!!! Solid advice!!!! I was SUPER EXCITED when Chris won his Season on Top Shot! I still remember everyone was making fun of how he held a pistol!!! He sure showed them!!!!!
Not to be a pessimist but Newton's second law of motions states that objects with different masses will fall at the same speed, so when he's talking about how the weight of the magazine will make the ejection faster than a non extended mag, he's actually mistaken. #Physics101 8:25
Did you include the friction of the mag having to exit the gun?
sam_bro not faster, but it the additional weight help it get falling.
Parachutes
I never ran 3 gun, but USPSA and IDPA made me a much better pistol shot. I never tried to be a champ, but it changed the way I feel about carrying. Cool vid, I have really wanted to get into 3 gun.
eric, your beard is on point
Not being rude , but you need to let your guest talk more about their special skills. I think you hog the conversation, just saying
Yea, I'll second this recommendation. Eric you don't have to reiterate every comment, "correct", and at times contradict the guest expert. I've also noticed doing the same thing with Chad in other videos. .
I concur. Eric, we love you, but you can't say "I don't do much competition" and then hog the mic from somebody who does.
I'm glad to c Eric and chris. I hope he has on his more.
even though he's not use to it try not to stare directly at the camera all the time. it seems a bit stiff. but hopefully Eric will invite him more and chris will seem a bit more natural on camera. anyhow it was a great video. as sootch would put it "👍👍" waaay up
Chris: You don't need expensive guns to run a 3Gun - Shows up with $10k worth of guns lol.. Excelent video btw :)
you know the comment about golfers was really good because Bobby Jones said that the hardest part was the six inches between your ears!! (as far as playing the game) same goes for learning to shoot!!
Eric isn't slow at all! He could definitely compete as I see it!
This should definitely be a thing on this channel. Have professional shooters show off their gear and have a variety of shootouts. I'll definitely keep watching the channel I already watch for that.
That fellow has a good personality for such things. Friendly, talks well, always a smile. Personality is not something that is easily taught.
What would you reccomend for a heavy metal class? The heavy metal class requires a .308 rifle or larger, a single stack .45 acp, and a pump action 12 gauge. Also, iron sights only.
my suggestion is an .308 ar style rifle, Remington 870 shotgun, and a good 1911.
hey guys, in case you missed it. 3 Gun is Fun.
Taran Tactical's base pads add 3 at the most. I've bough 3 Taran +5 extensions and they barely hold an extra 3 rounds.
That rifle's compensator is working so well it's pushing the muzzle down. Prolly a weird feeling recoil impulse.
That looks like a great deal of fun. Chris seems to be a natural teacher.
Is Chris running steel case in his AR? It looks like it.
I'm not making a judgement. I know there are many "experts" that poo-poo the idea of steel in an AR. I've done my fair bit of reading and personal experience showing that steel is fine. I'm wanting to know if what I see is correct though. Certainly his ammo budget is much larger than mine. I want to know if he uses steel case to practice and brass for competition, or if he just runs steel all the time. Certainly make the practicing costs easier to deal with. But what should a non=sponsored shooter run in competition and practice?
Also Chris Cheng's smile is contagious. Been a fan of his for a long time and ever time he smiles it makes me smile. Pretty happy guy. Great to see these guys that I watch so much hanging out and having fun.
One of my favorite you tube channels always has what i',m looking for
i see 3 gun as the NHRA of shooting. kinda cool actually. the tacticool stuff is neat, but this 3 gun competion is alluring
I'd rather have closer to everyday gear to use anyway. It seems like the refining of the competition has taken things too far from the roots and original concept of practical tactical shooting.
+jdmac44
Well, there's a heavy division which I would call more practical.
+jdmac44 Well, you could do tactical matches like Tiger Valley or MGM Ironman.
Then shoot Limited or Factory division.
Like everything connected with competitive shooting, it got corrupted. Build a better mousetrap. Win at any cost affair.
ERIC the soda why not use some 550 cord hold the soda not in the air but if the concussion from one causes one to fall it has like a hangman effect it would be very cool
That AR is borderline over-compensated. The muzzle looks like it actually dips a tiny amount when fired. That's a finely tuned gun right there!
Great video. Thank Eric & Chris
Arsenal Strike One Speed, Saiga 12k, Arsenal AK-74m. Job done.
Got it! good enough equipment=$$ fast=$$$$ little faster=$$$$$$ ready to compete=$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Good fun video with Chris. Nice to share some info for new shooters =)
Really like Chris. Obviously goes without saying that Eric is incredibly likable but Chris is great.
great vid guys! Wish I had a space to play as you do. Carry on, life is good as Hickok says.
If Chris rolls up those sleeves anymore he's going to have to join the 5 gun match.
Id like to see Chad on the 3-gun circuit. We all know hes pretty beast. Itd be cool to see Chad vs Branon over at GUN-TIME.
I'm a big fan of those Taran back plates
Really enjoy hearing Chris speak. I remember his background story that yall told in one video. Very interesting. Good stuff boys.
@ 4:33 Yah, ammo is expensive. That's why we see Tulammo casings coming out of your AR. : )
Cool information about guns but how about some things about belts, holsters, and shot shell holders?
I would like to see Chris Cheng go against Dustin Ellerman. That would be cool to watch.
A great video! I'm definitely subscribing to you, and I have a few questions for your guest.
1.) Is that a two round burst setting I see on that AR, or did you merely use an M16/M4 lower with AR guts? If that's genuine burst fire, how did you get that past the NFA regulations?
2.) Are there legal ramifications to owning a shotgun with a mag extension like that?
3.) Is there a purpose to the different colors on the mags' baseplates (say, indicate different loads like in Die Hard 2), or did you just get random colors?
4.) Would a Saiga-12 be permitted in a 3-gun event? Semi-auto shotgun with detachable box mags and AK sights, basically a shotgun that handles like a rifle.
5.) Is jungle-taping an option?
1) Looks like the 2 round 'burst' is really just a double tap, or pulling the trigger twice, he's just really practiced
2) check your local laws, around me, you can't have >15 round magazines, but shotguns are actually limited by length of shells in the tube, here you can't have over 28" of shells in a tube, or 8 shells for a detachable box mag
3) idk
4) depends on the division, unlimited pretty much anything goes so yes, limited tactical, only tube fed shotguns allowed
5) idk
Great episode! Thanks guys! Looks really fun!
Excellent video, great info!
What's the reason to cut a port on the frame of glock for reduce weight but adding a flashlight for adding weight?
Cha chengggg
Great post! This sure is peaking my interest in 3 gun shooting.
Chris is a good shot and really humble
I wonder if Chris's sponsors make him full mouth smile like that, it's the only thing I could think about... I'm sponsored so.. yeah I'm good at shootin n stuff
Two of the nicest guys in the business! Great vid boys, keep it up!
Cool Vid Eric!
Eric speaks too much!!
I tried finding a beginner tips video on Chris's channel but couldn't find one. I'm having a hard time figuring out some things so i'll get right to the questions. I have a M&p 9l with a ported barrel i'm looking at the "safe gun" rules and it seems to exclude my pistol with "passive safety" does this mean I need to empty it during a stage to "make safe". Would an apex trigger be considered an acceptable passive safety? Not sure if I should look at getting a magnified optic for ar and just run open division or look at the apex non ported barrel and if I swapped it out would it qualify for tactical class?(my ar has a holosun hs510c) Im considering doing some stippling and putting a thumb rest and notching the trigger guard on my M&P does this disqualify for tactical? and even further disqualify from open? New to competitive shooting not new to guns(lots of competitive paintball skills that would apply}
Loving your videos!! Just getting in the 2 Gun matches. Great info and fun to listen to you all!! THANKS!!
Wish I had enough money to get started in shooting. Looks so fun.
Awesome job guys. Let the fun begin. That is what it is all about.
For all you AR snobs. That's steel ammo he's dumping outta his rifle. Oh no! 😂🔫
Awesome video.One of the the best I've seen in a while. Great job!
What trigger is in that AR? Looks short and fast. What I like most about 3 gun, is the scoring, no major/minor. One in the A zone or two any where on the target and it is dead, I get 23+1 out of my TT pads. nice video.
I will most likely be getting into three gun starting next year so its awesome you posted this I've been watching videos on this. Also I seen you took mitchuleks advice and went larger targets first then smaller, seems like sound advice. Great vid thanks guys. ( I realize I probably spelled his name wrong.)
Awesome Vid! Big fan of both you guys! Fun to watch had to be a good time!
Really not relatable to someone looking for info on how to get started in 3 gun. Just reviewing this guy's extravagant sponsored equipment that we'll never have was cool to see but not very helpful
oh we all could have his entire setup. Now if we're all willing to actually pay the price for it is another question. With rough math, I estimated around an $8000 setup.
I have a good 3 gun setup for half that...there are some good 3 gun ready guns out there..for instance in the AR department you can get something like a Daniel defense V11 pro...its only shy of 2 grand
Man, the guy literally stated that he's sponsored and that you shouldn't expect to start with the gear that he has. He even says that the most important thing is that you just start with what you have and enjoy your time.
If you want advice on gear that most people can afford, I'd say:
9mm: Glock 34.............................. $600
5.56x45: FN15 Tactical Carbine... $1,500
12g: Benelli M2.............................. $1,300
That's quality gear that you can start with and upgrade as you improve, all coming in well under $4,000.
these two are the perfect combo Chris is awesome
Great guest guys
Chris Eric you guys are awesome too, just cant help but think of barry
Loved the ending matches
awesome video! Thanks
Wow!! This is very nice video!! Nice people , nice explication and at the end fun time! Fun time to lurning stuf and developing new Approche on the subject...thank you for this video!
Great video guys!!!
I just started 3 gun. Having the shotgun fitted to you???? PLEASE EXPLAIN !!!! I currently have to hold the barrel at 6 oclock to hit.
Chris is the "exception" to the rule.. Nice Dude!! Most of those guys are there to win and they are cutthroat... Just my experience...
+abe lincoln the top 10 guys definitely, but 90% are just cool guys with all the same hobby. Matches are mostly like a huge party.
+abe lincoln I took a 3-gun class a couple of years ago from James Casanova, from Team Noveske -- he was a pleasure to be around, and I learned a lot.
Really good information. Thank you.
BIG Fun in a great video!
Eric did a good job shooting the pistol
Dude favorite video so far
What make and model of rear sight is on his Salient Arms Glock? U shape with the single dot? Like a cross between Trigicon HD and Straight 8 sights?
Great guns, information, and video. Thanks!
You guys are having too much fun!!!
Eric and Chris, great informative video dudes!
Very cool, good job Chris!
Eric, our Man Can money hard at work! I couldn't think of a better way to spend it. Great vid! Though I'm not a fan of 3 gun at all, I can see the benefits of shooting the different kinds of weapons with a great bunch of people.
That was fun to watch
What type of glasses does Chris have on? Looks like oakleys but what frames and lenses?
awesome video so much fun thank you
extra weight on the bottom helps that magazin fall faster? the gravity have a constant acceleration of 9.81 m/s^2 ...
Adam Warkiewicz the added weight helps an empty mag, which is usually light, overcome the friction of being in the mag well. Some mags are light enough where they'll need to be pulled out manually.
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Great vid, and Chris seems like such a nice guy!
I always thought "Kentucky Windage" was a hickock45 only term. Google showed me otherwise!
what guns have you found that don't withstand a 1000 round break in?
Great video thank you.
Great job guys!
When they do a close-up of the AR trigger, is that a bullet button?
yes it is a bullet button, hes from California
The overall most popular 3-gun handgun is a 1911. Beats the Glock and M&P in popularity by far.
if there was a section where you would have to bury your pistol, the 1911 would be fucked.
+Matt Canipe rare for that to be required. 1911 is just fine for someone who trains with it.
I got an unfired slp comp. Today in trade . I wanna three gun now . I'm Think in sp-01 and my side charging light weight AR .
Practicing my quad loads tomorrow ... hahahah
Great video. Thanks, guys.