I always used floor mount speakers for about 40 years, but due to necessity swapped to B & W In Wall speakers and have to say I was pleasantly surprised how good they sound. They have been in for over 10 years now and still sound fine, so don't be frightened. You will need a nice subwoofer set up correctly though, as the in wall speakers lack bass obviously.
If you wanna stay with studio monitors you can only go Focal. B&W doesn't have any studio speakers(maybe the Scandyna, is a active speakers with B&W technology). But Focal would be better as a studio monitor ;)
Obviously, I don't know Paul well enough to know if he is one of these guys but there are just a lot of people out there that if a particular product doesn't perform in a very specific way then it "sucks" They just can't admit or accept that it may not actually suck but it just doesn't do what they think it should. It's like someone saying Coke sucks just because they like Pepsi. In wall speakers when properly installed can be very satisfying, especially in a home theater situation. Properly installed is key but that goes for pretty much anything you have installed. No, they will not be true audiophile in terms of imaging or scale, unless that is, they are behind an acoustically transparent screen and you are watching a concert DVD or a movie. Then visual cues which are much more powerful will pretty well negate those issues and make everything sound like it's coming from where it should. But as Paul did state, good in walls from a company whose gear you already like will have that company's signature sound. Plus, not all in walls are mounted in a hole in the wall with nothing behind them. Many are engineered with cabinets that fit within the stud bay and those do sound markedly better. Now, there is the category of on wall speakers which are basically a slim line speakers that are then mounted directly mounted to the wall. Those seem to sound even better than the in wall cabinet based speakers but then they are typically only available from the better brands anyway. In a perfect world you could build a room with a large cavity (like a typical living room setup) behind your screen and just use the regular floor standers. But that takes a lot of space and a lot of money. For most people, most of the time, properly installed in-walls, especially the cabinet based versions or on walls will greatly exceed most peoples needs and expectations.
I think the question was intended to be on-wall speakers not in-wall - if so I recommend the Martin Logan SLM-XL speakers which I use for left right and center channels - they sound great - clean precise - but a sub-woofer is a must to get any kind of bass - I have the Dynamo 700
That's just what I was about to comment. The tag line says "wall mount" it should say "in wall" speakers. I thought that he didn't know what the heck he was talking about until I realized he was referring to "in wall" speakers.
I am using wall-mounted Bang and Olufsen Beovox P45's panel speakers from the 1970ies. They are time and phase aligned, and tuned to sound their best when wall-mounted (on a brick wall, not drywall). They sound excellent.
When I hear "Kim" and Canada I think of Kim Mitchell, might as well go for soda... There is a reason movie theaters have speaker boxes mounted to the walls instead of in wall speakers. Also how would you pull your speakers 1/3 out into the room if they are mounted in a wall?
If wall mount speakers suck, what about two Jamo ART's? They are also wallmounted, currently mounted on wooden planks. Have you had any experience with those? Unsure if models matter, seen how they all SEEM the same, other then the connection.
Get the best quality you can, and don't have high expectations. Solid brick walls would, in theory, be better than plasterboard walls, as the plasterboard will act like a big passive bass radiator and muddy everything.
Hi, I've got 3 Dali (Oberon) on-wall speakers in my home theater. One behind my acoustic transparent screen as a centre-channel. The left and right channel are beside the screen. All at ear height. They sound great. I will also install a pair of on-walls in my living room. But in my living room I want the Dali (Opticon) on-walls. There a bit more expensive, but the Opticon-serie has got ribbon tweeters. They sound amazing. You will need a subwoofer though. I chose on-wall in stead of in-wall speakers because they are much more flexibel if you want to change your setup.
I'd like to know if Paul's home theatre has Atmos height speakers, and if yes, how they're placed (mounted), or anyway what's his best advice about those speakers presence and placement. Thanks Paul.
I have no other option than use in wall speakers or small speakers like the b&w M1 in a MT50 setup and want to use these for home theater as well as for stereo music. What do I do in a situation like that?
In a house where you want audio in every room, different solutions are optimal for different rooms. For example, in your kitchen, bathrooms and garage, in-wall speakers can be great to keep the speakers discrete, if your walls have adequate space within them. My JBL 8" two-way in-wall speakers in my kitchen sound awesome for the application of getting music in a kitchen. I have an amplifier with an Echo Dot hidden somewhere that allows seamless voice controlled music and home automation. It's the "worst" system in my house and I wouldn't call it audiophile, but it's hugely better than the perhaps 99% of kitchens using tiny Bluetooth speakers or nothing.
@Fat Rat Yes, a great home has great audio where you actually spend your time! I don't just sit down and listen for hours. I'm working on a garage system next and options are either on-wall or in-wall.
I got my self 4 KLIPSCH DS180-CDT in ceiling speakers 🔊 and i put them in a ME -800c Enclosures to have Better sound out of them ( those are for DOLBY ATMOS / I have a 7.2.4 Home theater ) ! My center and front speakers they are normal speakers ( KLIPSCH RF-7 III/ RC-64 III) . For my side surrounds and back surrounds i have a 2 KLIPSCH PRO -250 RPW AND 2 KLIPSCH PRO -180RPW ( Those are In wall speakers I recommend that you DO A BOX IN THE WALL TO KEEP RESONANCE AND HELP THE SPEAKER TO SOUND A LOT BETTER THAN IN A OPEN BAFFLE!
That is fine for atmos can two way. The first way is to mount speakers in the ceiling and second speakers that bound the sound to the ceiling to the listener.
I would only use in roof speakers forva theater room but not in wall. The over head effects can deal with it but I use floor standers for sides and surrounds as well as fronts but I have an RC64 II for my center
Soffit mounting speakers (or wall mounting in the hi-fi world) is regularly done in the pro audio world, typically in recording and mastering studios. There are benefits to doing this, assuming it's done right. If you look into soffit mounting, you should find all the info you need to do this well.
My thinking would be to in-wall mount only the mid and tweeters and rely upon a sub elsewhere in the room. That should eliminate the wall's boominess, I'd suggest.
There on in wall speakers and on wall speakers. On wall speaker includes an enclosure. To complicate thinks, what about speakers like Larsen that are designed to be against the wall
I have some Klipsch RP600M speakers hanging from my ceiling by my big screen, a sub on the floor. This is a much better solution than in the wall anything. I can keep the proper spacing off the side and rear walls. I have hung much larger speakers as well, just make sure you go into something solid. This tends to be a two or more person job though.
Sounds right,,,🤔selecting one brand will produce the engineers intentions, and the selected sound is best balanced as I experience with my Klipsch speakers set at 7.2.1.Although I have selected for my center channel Polk Audio S35,Thanks for posting.🖖😷
Some main studio monitor speakers (far larger than near field or mid field monitors) are designed to be in-wall. More predictable frequency response. www.adam-audio.com/content/uploads/2016/11/adam-audio-s6x-studio-monitors-guangzhou-symphony-orchestra-2-1200x800.jpg www.adam-audio.com/content/uploads/2017/01/adam-audio-s6x-bernd-mazagg-vienna-symphonic-library-vsl-1-1200x800.jpg
I wonder if by using the term “wall mounted,” the question was really about on wall rather than in wall speakers? There are some excellent on wall speakers. Totem Tribes come to mind.
There's a reason why cellos and upright acoustic basses are "unnecessarily large" and if your life revolves around this physical law, avoid marrying those who don't give a rat's ass about it if you want to live a long and happy life.
@@georgepopescu1327 , understood. but some people (me included) dont want to see _any_ equipment in their theater room. B&W CT speakers behind the AT screen. 4 CWM in wall, 4 CCM in ceiling.. all the equip is in the closet of the bedroom which shares a wall. *_clean_*
If your're going for 90% home theater, then in-wall should be much better than the equiliant soundbar setup. For music listening, it would be hard to believe that you would be satisfied.
Doesn’t Wisdom Audio make an in wall that costs around $40k? Can’t imagine that’s much of a compromise. I think it’s fair to say a reputable manufacturer can produce a no compromise in wall speaker. Perlisten is coming out with an in wall that’s priced the same as their floor standers: I’m interested in hearing people’s impressions
But wall mounted/on-wall (hang ON the wall and not build IN the wall) speakers is not the same as in-wall speakers. There are some good on-wall. In-wall I don't know since I don't like then anyway because I like to see my speakers.
@@AlexTyson_ Not really an expert in that field but I know that Klipsh, JBL, Jamo and more have some good pairs. I have a pair of JBL "on-wall" (L820) speakers for my surround channels and one (LC2) in my center channel (+ 2 extra pairs of L820's for when I am getting Dolby Atmos setup) and they sound great for music (But I don't use them for that purpose) in a 2ch system but lack some bass.. I recomend a subwoofer for any setup anyway. Wish I could given you a concrete recomendation but just search for "On-wall speakers" and see what you can find that fits your needs :)
God made Physics. A long time ago I dove into the math of an infinitely small transducer mounted on an infinitely large flat surface. What happens to the sound waves as they travel along that surface. And an iteration of that where the surface had a boundary ( a 90 degree corner ). The sound waves coming off the transducer do ugly things before they hit the boundry and when they hit that boundary ( a corner ) then things get really ugly. But wives like it.
Paul, I love you and I learn from every video you make; but some of the best mixing studios on the planet integrate flush-mounted $40,K $50K, $60K speakers in their front wall. It can help to take the front wall out of the equation. I think your blanket statement that "they suck" is not exactly accurate... Thanks for all the outstanding videos.
@@healthynutster Well, personally never without a subwoofer (dual in fact) and therefore crossed over at 80hz.... which has the added benefit of being easier to drive for you AVR owners (I rock massive separate amplication) and allows the SPS to play louder as it isn't even trying to reproduce any bass (great for watching those blockbuster movies at full tilt). So sorry, that's all I know. I've never run them full range.
@@johndaddabbo9383 Thanks, John, for the prompt response. Actually, I plan to use 4 large vented subs, but wondered if I had to cross them over at 90 or 100 hz to make this work. I knew the 25hz figure on their response was wildly exaggerated, but love the mids and highs on these. Appreciate your input, thanks again 👍
@@healthynutster Oh your Welcome! With all Goldenear speakers you'll want to take their stated 'lowest limit' and double it. So the 25hz SPS is really a 50hz. But then when talking high output (Movies and/or very Loud music) one would also want to take the actual limit 50 hz and move up another 50% giving us 75 hz, and then choose the next higher crossover point within your AVR/Preamp processor. So yeah a doubling of ALL Goldenear speakers (and Subs) are a given, and then for all speakers in general my 2nd suggested calculation will be good (stating point) for picking the crossover point. All too often people are picking too LOW of a crossover point for their given speakers, which at low and maybe medium volumes will do (or maybe not even), but for Movies and Loud music it totally fails. So glad to see you not wanting to make such a mistake :) Goldenear's price/performance (including being able to play Low & Loud) is hard to beat, plus add that they sound amazing at their respective price points. But I guess you already new this as you are buying them ;)
@@healthynutster Oh and I too LOVE my bass! I'm currently rock'n 4 Monoprice Monolith 15 THX subs :) I also recently optimized my Main listening distance to be as close to the Font three speakers as I could get (I even slightly angled them) but still having nice wide imaging and a wonderful soundstage. In doing this you'll get whatever speakers you have being able to play as Loud as possible (before giving out / distorting) which will then allow you to also turn up the BASS !!! (which apparently in both our cases we can never have enough of).
The clear answer would be no, but... Application and room size would kinda dictate this issue. I'm sure that its 99% true, "get it" that Paul isn't using his theater room for reference listening. It's for home theater. If your spending the bulk of your time watching, streaming video and you sometimes listen to music in that room, then yeah I can see especially if your room is smallish. But, put a speaker in a wall and you change the baffle, acoustic space for the drivers, deadness of the speaker walls, bass reinforcement from the floor and front wall... Yikes! Take a couple a floor standers set them up in your room. Move them around. Not quite right? Move them some more and get that sweet spot. NOT with in wall speakers. Cut a hole. Pray its right. Put in your speakers. oops not quite what I was hoping for. EQ the heck out of them. Nope, not what I was expecting. Patch and repaint the wall and put in some floor standers.
This seems confused. Wall mount and soffit mount speakers are not the same or comparable. The design of wall mounted speakers like for example: ATC HTS 7/11/40, would account for the effects of being against, and on, the wall when its response was formulated. A quick scan on social media, shows how many 'greats' of the speaker world is shoehorned in to listening spaces never meant for them. La Scala in a Hong Kong apartment, shoved in to corners barely their width apart? (Woman and guitar music all day?). B&W Nautilus in corners with upholstery sofa on the right boundary and marble fireplace and mantle on the left? LS3 on stands in free space with a listening position 8yds away? Etc etc. No speaker engineering will alleviate the bad placement and room pairing for these set ups. A carefully selected wall mount speaker for the room and listening position would be more beneficial overall. If you had space to optimally place top speakers then yes, every wall mount will suck in comparison. But, in spaces where traditional speakers are compromised, better to select a wall mount designed to squeeze best performance for the constraints it was designed for.
he was talking about WALL MOUNT not IN WALL speakers. say what you want but i have owned and own tons of good bookshelf and floor standing speakers and there are tons of in wall speakers that sound incredible! speakercraft by far has been the best sounding to me. their aim 5 series sounds much better then anything i have ever heard and sound as good or better then lots of speakers i own that cost $2000+ a pair. wall mount speakers suck. in wall speakers do not especially speakercraft brand in wall.
You always get people like this, trying to reduce something to only negatives to push their views. The kind of people that turn others off from the hobby.
@Fat Rat Was it an older model? I've heard such statements about those but I've not heard it for speakers like the Cornwall IV or RF7 III, nor have I personally experienced any harshness or fatigue from the mentioned ones.
@Fat Rat Alright, I haven't had any experience with those. I do think it seems like Klipsch's newest horns and tweeters have been a significant improvement but I've only heard them on higher end floor standers and I don't know whether similar changes have been done on the smaller ones, so I couldn't guess at whether there's any clear difference between the models you mentioned. Always interesting to hear experiences with speakers in any rate. I have experienced listener fatigue myself of course, and it's always a shame when you like the sound but it wears on you.
I always used floor mount speakers for about 40 years, but due to necessity swapped to B & W In Wall speakers and have to say I was pleasantly surprised how good they sound. They have been in for over 10 years now and still sound fine, so don't be frightened. You will need a nice subwoofer set up correctly though, as the in wall speakers lack bass obviously.
Thanks for answering my question! I have a set of JBL 4311B Studio Monitors. Looking to replace them with something brighter.
Focal or B&W
If you wanna stay with studio monitors you can only go Focal. B&W doesn't have any studio speakers(maybe the Scandyna, is a active speakers with B&W technology). But Focal would be better as a studio monitor ;)
Obviously, I don't know Paul well enough to know if he is one of these guys but there are just a lot of people out there that if a particular product doesn't perform in a very specific way then it "sucks" They just can't admit or accept that it may not actually suck but it just doesn't do what they think it should. It's like someone saying Coke sucks just because they like Pepsi. In wall speakers when properly installed can be very satisfying, especially in a home theater situation. Properly installed is key but that goes for pretty much anything you have installed. No, they will not be true audiophile in terms of imaging or scale, unless that is, they are behind an acoustically transparent screen and you are watching a concert DVD or a movie. Then visual cues which are much more powerful will pretty well negate those issues and make everything sound like it's coming from where it should. But as Paul did state, good in walls from a company whose gear you already like will have that company's signature sound. Plus, not all in walls are mounted in a hole in the wall with nothing behind them. Many are engineered with cabinets that fit within the stud bay and those do sound markedly better. Now, there is the category of on wall speakers which are basically a slim line speakers that are then mounted directly mounted to the wall. Those seem to sound even better than the in wall cabinet based speakers but then they are typically only available from the better brands anyway. In a perfect world you could build a room with a large cavity (like a typical living room setup) behind your screen and just use the regular floor standers. But that takes a lot of space and a lot of money. For most people, most of the time, properly installed in-walls, especially the cabinet based versions or on walls will greatly exceed most peoples needs and expectations.
Happy Birthday Paul!!!
Another Bull, (Taurus) like myself!
I would ask the same question... but more along the lines of.... Do floorstanders sound the same as a bookshelf speaker that has been wall mounted?
I think the question was intended to be on-wall speakers not in-wall - if so I recommend the Martin Logan SLM-XL speakers which I use for left right and center channels - they sound great - clean precise - but a sub-woofer is a must to get any kind of bass - I have the Dynamo 700
Wall mount is not necessarily the same as in-wall.
Yes Bookshelf speakers with front facing ports on speaker brackets with a sub is an option that works well.
@@nicktaylor7680 Yep, and very easy to adjust toe-in/angle when the brackets are mounted on the wall by a swivel.
That's just what I was about to comment. The tag line says "wall mount" it should say "in wall" speakers. I thought that he didn't know what the heck he was talking about until I realized he was referring to "in wall" speakers.
What about "on wall" (not "in-wall") stereo pair for a small room, like the ELAC Debut On Wall DOW42?
Can we get a video of that home theater set up also pleaseeee 😊🏡📹
I am using wall-mounted Bang and Olufsen Beovox P45's panel speakers from the 1970ies. They are time and phase aligned, and tuned to sound their best when wall-mounted (on a brick wall, not drywall). They sound excellent.
When I hear "Kim" and Canada I think of Kim Mitchell, might as well go for soda...
There is a reason movie theaters have speaker boxes mounted to the walls instead of in wall speakers. Also how would you pull your speakers 1/3 out into the room if they are mounted in a wall?
If wall mount speakers suck, what about two Jamo ART's? They are also wallmounted, currently mounted on wooden planks. Have you had any experience with those? Unsure if models matter, seen how they all SEEM the same, other then the connection.
Get the best quality you can, and don't have high expectations. Solid brick walls would, in theory, be better than plasterboard walls, as the plasterboard will act like a big passive bass radiator and muddy everything.
Hi, I've got 3 Dali (Oberon) on-wall speakers in my home theater. One behind my acoustic transparent screen as a centre-channel. The left and right channel are beside the screen. All at ear height. They sound great.
I will also install a pair of on-walls in my living room. But in my living room I want the Dali (Opticon) on-walls. There a bit more expensive, but the Opticon-serie has got ribbon tweeters. They sound amazing. You will need a subwoofer though.
I chose on-wall in stead of in-wall speakers because they are much more flexibel if you want to change your setup.
I'd like to know if Paul's home theatre has Atmos height speakers, and if yes, how they're placed (mounted), or anyway what's his best advice about those speakers presence and placement. Thanks Paul.
I have no other option than use in wall speakers or small speakers like the b&w M1 in a MT50 setup and want to use these for home theater as well as for stereo music. What do I do in a situation like that?
In a house where you want audio in every room, different solutions are optimal for different rooms. For example, in your kitchen, bathrooms and garage, in-wall speakers can be great to keep the speakers discrete, if your walls have adequate space within them. My JBL 8" two-way in-wall speakers in my kitchen sound awesome for the application of getting music in a kitchen. I have an amplifier with an Echo Dot hidden somewhere that allows seamless voice controlled music and home automation. It's the "worst" system in my house and I wouldn't call it audiophile, but it's hugely better than the perhaps 99% of kitchens using tiny Bluetooth speakers or nothing.
@Fat Rat Yes, a great home has great audio where you actually spend your time! I don't just sit down and listen for hours. I'm working on a garage system next and options are either on-wall or in-wall.
I got my self 4 KLIPSCH DS180-CDT in ceiling speakers 🔊 and i put them in a ME -800c Enclosures to have Better sound out of them ( those are for DOLBY ATMOS / I have a 7.2.4 Home theater ) ! My center and front speakers they are normal speakers ( KLIPSCH RF-7 III/ RC-64 III) . For my side surrounds and back surrounds i have a 2 KLIPSCH PRO -250 RPW AND 2 KLIPSCH PRO -180RPW ( Those are In wall speakers I recommend that you DO A BOX IN THE WALL TO KEEP RESONANCE AND HELP THE SPEAKER TO SOUND A LOT BETTER THAN IN A OPEN BAFFLE!
That is fine for atmos can two way. The first way is to mount speakers in the ceiling and second speakers that bound the sound to the ceiling to the listener.
I would only use in roof speakers forva theater room but not in wall. The over head effects can deal with it but I use floor standers for sides and surrounds as well as fronts but I have an RC64 II for my center
What if you mount them in a brick cavity wall?
Soffit mounting speakers (or wall mounting in the hi-fi world) is regularly done in the pro audio world, typically in recording and mastering studios. There are benefits to doing this, assuming it's done right. If you look into soffit mounting, you should find all the info you need to do this well.
My thinking would be to in-wall mount only the mid and tweeters and rely upon a sub elsewhere in the room. That should eliminate the wall's boominess, I'd suggest.
There on in wall speakers and on wall speakers. On wall speaker includes an enclosure. To complicate thinks, what about speakers like Larsen that are designed to be against the wall
Maybe she wasn’t asking about in wall but actual wall mount speakers. Mostly you see them as satellites for surrounds.
So, this was two years ago. I’m wondering with all the speaker advancements if you would say the same thing today…..
you never mention monitor audio speakers..do you know that brand?
What do you think about KEF speakers?
Fat Rat Thanks for the info😀
Fat Rat paired with the Sprout 100
I have some Klipsch RP600M speakers hanging from my ceiling by my big screen, a sub on the floor. This is a much better solution than in the wall anything. I can keep the proper spacing off the side and rear walls. I have hung much larger speakers as well, just make sure you go into something solid. This tends to be a two or more person job though.
Paradigm makes a decent in-wall speaker. And they're Canadian, too, eh!
Take off,hoser.
Ha, I love Kim's Convenience as well. Just finished up the newest season on Netflix and it was hilarious. Definitely a great Netflix recommendation.
Check out a company called RBH they look to have some not bad in wall speakers.
Sounds right,,,🤔selecting one brand will produce the engineers intentions, and the selected sound is best balanced as I experience with my Klipsch speakers set at 7.2.1.Although I have selected for my center channel Polk Audio S35,Thanks for posting.🖖😷
Is the title of this clip a misnomer or did Paul inadvertently veer off on a tangent about "in wall" speakers, rather than "wall mount?!"
Some main studio monitor speakers (far larger than near field or mid field monitors) are designed to be in-wall. More predictable frequency response.
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I wonder if by using the term “wall mounted,” the question was really about on wall rather than in wall speakers? There are some excellent on wall speakers. Totem Tribes come to mind.
There's a reason why cellos and upright acoustic basses are "unnecessarily large" and if your life revolves around this physical law, avoid marrying those who don't give a rat's ass about it if you want to live a long and happy life.
_IF_ you _MUST_ go in wall... the best advice can be found at 4:25
"find a brand you like, buy the best they have"
Lol it might actually cost more than some serious hi-fi speakers. You are paying a lot of money for a compromise solution.
@@georgepopescu1327 , understood. but some people (me included) dont want to see _any_ equipment in their theater room. B&W CT speakers behind the AT screen. 4 CWM in wall, 4 CCM in ceiling.. all the equip is in the closet of the bedroom which shares a wall. *_clean_*
If your're going for 90% home theater, then in-wall should be much better than the equiliant soundbar setup. For music listening, it would be hard to believe that you would be satisfied.
"wisdom audio" is the correct a answer
Doesn’t Wisdom Audio make an in wall that costs around $40k? Can’t imagine that’s much of a compromise. I think it’s fair to say a reputable manufacturer can produce a no compromise in wall speaker. Perlisten is coming out with an in wall that’s priced the same as their floor standers: I’m interested in hearing people’s impressions
But wall mounted/on-wall (hang ON the wall and not build IN the wall) speakers is not the same as in-wall speakers. There are some good on-wall. In-wall I don't know since I don't like then anyway because I like to see my speakers.
do you have any recommendations for "on wall" stereo pairs?
@@AlexTyson_ Not really an expert in that field but I know that Klipsh, JBL, Jamo and more have some good pairs.
I have a pair of JBL "on-wall" (L820) speakers for my surround channels and one (LC2) in my center channel (+ 2 extra pairs of L820's for when I am getting Dolby Atmos setup) and they sound great for music (But I don't use them for that purpose) in a 2ch system but lack some bass.. I recomend a subwoofer for any setup anyway.
Wish I could given you a concrete recomendation but just search for "On-wall speakers" and see what you can find that fits your needs :)
@@Oystein87 Thanks. I'm looking into the Elac OW4.2 with bottom ports. Subwoofer seems necessary.
A wall mount speaker has inevitable compromises in the construction that floor standers don't.
1:02 that is what I want to hear. Thanks.
God made Physics. A long time ago I dove into the math of an infinitely small transducer mounted on an infinitely large flat surface. What happens to the sound waves as they travel along that surface. And an iteration of that where the surface had a boundary ( a 90 degree corner ). The sound waves coming off the transducer do ugly things before they hit the boundry and when they hit that boundary ( a corner ) then things get really ugly.
But wives like it.
😂 well said
We have a sliding door in the worst place in the theatre room, the only option for us really is to get in wall speakers :(
A real audiophile would move that door as to accommodate the proper set up!
lol loved the simple answer No! .haha
Paul, I love you and I learn from every video you make; but some of the best mixing studios on the planet integrate flush-mounted $40,K $50K, $60K speakers in their front wall. It can help to take the front wall out of the equation. I think your blanket statement that "they suck" is not exactly accurate... Thanks for all the outstanding videos.
Goldenear Invisa SPS. Seriously, you won't be disappointed. About $1,100 per speaker but worth every penny!
I’m considering these for a dedicated room. I have a pair of BRX’s which I love. Can you comment on the bass response of the GE Invisa SPS’s?
@@healthynutster Well, personally never without a subwoofer (dual in fact) and therefore crossed over at 80hz.... which has the added benefit of being easier to drive for you AVR owners (I rock massive separate amplication) and allows the SPS to play louder as it isn't even trying to reproduce any bass (great for watching those blockbuster movies at full tilt). So sorry, that's all I know. I've never run them full range.
@@johndaddabbo9383
Thanks, John, for the prompt response. Actually, I plan to use 4 large vented subs, but wondered if I had to cross them over at 90 or 100 hz to make this work. I knew the 25hz figure on their response was wildly exaggerated, but love the mids and highs on these. Appreciate your input, thanks again 👍
@@healthynutster Oh your Welcome! With all Goldenear speakers you'll want to take their stated 'lowest limit' and double it. So the 25hz SPS is really a 50hz. But then when talking high output (Movies and/or very Loud music) one would also want to take the actual limit 50 hz and move up another 50% giving us 75 hz, and then choose the next higher crossover point within your AVR/Preamp processor. So yeah a doubling of ALL Goldenear speakers (and Subs) are a given, and then for all speakers in general my 2nd suggested calculation will be good (stating point) for picking the crossover point. All too often people are picking too LOW of a crossover point for their given speakers, which at low and maybe medium volumes will do (or maybe not even), but for Movies and Loud music it totally fails. So glad to see you not wanting to make such a mistake :) Goldenear's price/performance (including being able to play Low & Loud) is hard to beat, plus add that they sound amazing at their respective price points. But I guess you already new this as you are buying them ;)
@@healthynutster Oh and I too LOVE my bass! I'm currently rock'n 4 Monoprice Monolith 15 THX subs :) I also recently optimized my Main listening distance to be as close to the Font three speakers as I could get (I even slightly angled them) but still having nice wide imaging and a wonderful soundstage. In doing this you'll get whatever speakers you have being able to play as Loud as possible (before giving out / distorting) which will then allow you to also turn up the BASS !!! (which apparently in both our cases we can never have enough of).
The clear answer would be no, but... Application and room size would kinda dictate this issue. I'm sure that its 99% true, "get it" that Paul isn't using his theater room for reference listening. It's for home theater. If your spending the bulk of your time watching, streaming video and you sometimes listen to music in that room, then yeah I can see especially if your room is smallish. But, put a speaker in a wall and you change the baffle, acoustic space for the drivers, deadness of the speaker walls, bass reinforcement from the floor and front wall... Yikes! Take a couple a floor standers set them up in your room. Move them around. Not quite right? Move them some more and get that sweet spot. NOT with in wall speakers. Cut a hole. Pray its right. Put in your speakers. oops not quite what I was hoping for. EQ the heck out of them. Nope, not what I was expecting. Patch and repaint the wall and put in some floor standers.
This seems confused. Wall mount and soffit mount speakers are not the same or comparable. The design of wall mounted speakers like for example: ATC HTS 7/11/40, would account for the effects of being against, and on, the wall when its response was formulated. A quick scan on social media, shows how many 'greats' of the speaker world is shoehorned in to listening spaces never meant for them. La Scala in a Hong Kong apartment, shoved in to corners barely their width apart? (Woman and guitar music all day?). B&W Nautilus in corners with upholstery sofa on the right boundary and marble fireplace and mantle on the left? LS3 on stands in free space with a listening position 8yds away? Etc etc. No speaker engineering will alleviate the bad placement and room pairing for these set ups. A carefully selected wall mount speaker for the room and listening position would be more beneficial overall. If you had space to optimally place top speakers then yes, every wall mount will suck in comparison. But, in spaces where traditional speakers are compromised, better to select a wall mount designed to squeeze best performance for the constraints it was designed for.
So, you don't recommend them, but you have them.
I think he’s right that most suck, but the reputable vendors can and do make great in wall solutions that can compete very well with floorstanders
Is this a real question?
That ultimately depends on which position you prefer your speakers
Personally I prefer the 69 Position.. sounds good eh!!!
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he was talking about WALL MOUNT not IN WALL speakers. say what you want but i have owned and own tons of good bookshelf and floor standing speakers and there are tons of in wall speakers that sound incredible! speakercraft by far has been the best sounding to me. their aim 5 series sounds much better then anything i have ever heard and sound as good or better then lots of speakers i own that cost $2000+ a pair. wall mount speakers suck. in wall speakers do not especially speakercraft brand in wall.
Wall-mount speakers sound great if you love elevator music.
True story :)
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No, they don't.
Well, at least there are no issues with bafflestep...
BTW Klipsch sound = no phase matching between drivers and too much treble
Get over yourself. There's nothing wrong with Klipsch sound. You don't have to like it but don't go spouting off nonsense.
@@mark22732 it's not nonsense, their lack of phase matching is a well known fact.
That's why people mod them.
You always get people like this, trying to reduce something to only negatives to push their views. The kind of people that turn others off from the hobby.
@Fat Rat Was it an older model? I've heard such statements about those but I've not heard it for speakers like the Cornwall IV or RF7 III, nor have I personally experienced any harshness or fatigue from the mentioned ones.
@Fat Rat Alright, I haven't had any experience with those. I do think it seems like Klipsch's newest horns and tweeters have been a significant improvement but I've only heard them on higher end floor standers and I don't know whether similar changes have been done on the smaller ones, so I couldn't guess at whether there's any clear difference between the models you mentioned. Always interesting to hear experiences with speakers in any rate. I have experienced listener fatigue myself of course, and it's always a shame when you like the sound but it wears on you.