OLED better than LCD for photo editing? ASUS ProArt PA27DCE-K Review

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  • @joenogueira2801
    @joenogueira2801 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Great review Todd. You're setting a high bar for reviewers of anything. Cheers!

  • @LukeDorny
    @LukeDorny หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love the channel, Todd. Long time watcher and fan of all of your previous web work for the community and photo worlds. Cheers.
    100k!!!

  • @abramians1
    @abramians1 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great review! Thank you!

  • @HDEFMAN1
    @HDEFMAN1 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I must say I like your presenting style. That was a good review. The ability to re-calibrate the colour spaces looks like a great feature for content creators and people who really need the most colour accurate monitors. I recently bought a 32 inch 4K LCD monitor from Corsair and am really pleased with it. OLED monitors looked tempting but I was worried about burn in and couldn't really justify the extra expense of OLED,, especially as I chose to upgrade my graphics card to a 4070Ti Super at the same time.

    • @akyhne
      @akyhne หลายเดือนก่อน

      Any monitor can be calibrated. But most only as a so-called software calibration.
      The process is more or less the same for hardware and software calibration. The difference is, that with sw cal., you save an ICC profile on your computer. You have to load the correct profile, if you switch color space.
      A hw cal. saves the calibration directly into the monitor, as a LUT file. It is usually also possible to get a more accurate calibration, with a display that supports hw cal.
      Another benefit with hw calibrated monitors, is, that you can switch computer, and the accuracy stays.

  • @bluehourbill
    @bluehourbill หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    A very fair review. I have two Pro Art IPS monitors (27" 8+ years & 32" 2+ years) that I really like. But they were of course way less money than this display.
    I certainly agree that with this monitor the issues of swivel slack (not precise level lock of screen) ports placement and lack of aluminum trim are deal breakers at this price point.

  • @frstesiste7670
    @frstesiste7670 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Interesting review. I've been considering an OLED display for a while. Agree vertical ports on the back is a pain to use, but it's an advantage if the monitor is close to a wall (I know you often can find cables with angled connectors, but still..).

  • @foisonurlubu4303
    @foisonurlubu4303 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I use EIZO screens since years, the editing Rolls Royce for professionals and I am very happy with them.

    • @chrise36coupe
      @chrise36coupe หลายเดือนก่อน

      Any 32" you recommend?

  • @flol3266
    @flol3266 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    You did not answer the question in the title at all. Nice presentation but not what I expected from the video. This is just a review from the monitor and no comparison. Some side by side comparisons where you look at photos and maybe compare them to printed images or so would be the minimum what I would have expected. Also timestamps would have been great as I (and many others) do not need some Infos like explaining what oled is.

    • @akyhne
      @akyhne หลายเดือนก่อน

      He mentioned the pros and cons, vs. LCD.

    • @flol3266
      @flol3266 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @ this is also not the answer to the question. Not even close to that. And someone who is in the market vor 2400 Euro (this is the price in Austria) display, does probably know how oled works. But what is it like to edit pictures on that display? How does it work for printing? And so on. Those are the things that I would expect from a photo centric channel. Hence for a video with such a title. Oled is not something new, most people know how it works and what pros and cons are. But is it better? And why if yes or no?

    • @bluehourbill
      @bluehourbill หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@flol3266 Agree with this. A good review, but not what the video title stated.

    • @rafograph
      @rafograph หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@flol3266I have a 32EP950-B LG OLED display (JOLED RGB), which if I'm not wrong shares the same display panel of the reviewed display.
      My 2cents: if you're only into photography and doesn't have intention to get into deep understanding how to proper calibrate and characterize an OLED display stick with a Wide Gamut LCD IPS display or a miniLED

    • @brightboxstudio
      @brightboxstudio หลายเดือนก่อน

      One thing that could make side-by-side comparisons useless for color: Todd reported a post-calibration Delta E of under 1, and other pro color displays get that low too. Part of the very definition of Delta E is that if the value is below 1, any visual difference cannot be detected by color experts. (Below 3 it cannot be detected by non-experts like TH-cam viewers.) So a side-by-side comparison of two displays achieving Delta E below 1 will result in identical-looking images and no value to the viewer.
      Side-by-side tests are more useful for consumer displays that have fewer adjustments, and lower quality of factory calibration, and so most people have to live with how it is out of the box or just profiled (not calibrated). That is not the case with these pro displays that can be automatically corrected at high precision.
      A comparison of text and line art sharpness might be more useful than a color test.

  • @digitalinked
    @digitalinked หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    So money aside, BenQ still the way to go?

    • @JLeoH
      @JLeoH หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Eizo ColorEdge it is

  • @Josh_Sattin
    @Josh_Sattin หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hey Todd, great video! I have been curious about these ASUS displays for a long time. How does it compare with the Apple Studio display?

    • @akyhne
      @akyhne หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The Studio Display is a great all-rounder. But not super at anything. The Asus has better color coverage. The Apple doesn't support AdobeRGB, if that's important to you.
      Get a professional display for professional work, and leave the Apple fans with their monitors.

    • @brightboxstudio
      @brightboxstudio หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I’d agree that the Apple Studio Display is sort of a generalist display. It’s like a premium _consumer_ display: The things that make the Studio Display premium (more expensive) are not things that matter the most to photographers. It has better speakers, better Mac integration, more pixels (5K), that kind of thing. But the Asus and BenQ pro displays have what matters to photographers, which is better control over color. I may be a definite Apple fan, but for photography specifically, these pro non-Apple displays tend to be a better value (important photography features per dollar).

    • @kerrygrim7934
      @kerrygrim7934 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@akyhne I like you advice and trust it. Should I upgrade to a bigger display than my 24" iMac, it will NOT be a studio display. Although I must be an Apple Fanboy because your comments almost sounds offensive to Apple users. Professional photographers frequently use Apple computers. Not sure what monitors they use, although one very well respected landscape photographer I follow frequently does use an old 27" iMac.

    • @akyhne
      @akyhne หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@kerrygrim7934 Yeah, I'm offensive, because Apple fans are usually incredible stubborn.
      I would buy the exact screen size, that suits me. Some can't sit in front of anything bigger than a 16" laptop, some not bigger than a 24" monitor. Only you know what size is the best for you.
      I saw a comment by a professional photographer once. He said he bought the Studio Display, and he was blown away by the picture quality. He checked out some photos he had just taken.
      But when he dragged one of them to his old display, he could see the photo was ever so slightly out of focus. He couldn't see that, on the ASD. He returned the ASD after some testing.
      I haven't been able to figure out why Apple would put a powerful iPhone SOC in the monitor. But I have a suspicion, it's there to ever so slightly sharpen the screen. Maybe I'm just on a wild conspiracy here, but that comment made me think.
      I'd go with any brand, that makes dedicated monitors for photography. Personally, I'm brand independent. But I like monitors from BenQ, Asus and Eizo. Both BenQ and Eizo photography monitors are easy to find on their website. With Asus, it's more difficult, as they calla all their "pro" monitors ProArt. You have to go through each of them, to see if they support AdobeRGB. Even if you don't need AdobeRGB, at least it says the monitor is focused towards photography.
      Note the coverage of the monitor's color spaces. They are usually accurate. Like 95% AdobeRGB, 98% DCI-P3, 100% sRGB. Anything above 95% is good, anything above 97% is great. But find a review on the monitor, if you can. Rtings and Toms hardware are my gotos. They do thorough testing, with color measrements. The contrast ratio should not be leass than 950:1, the average delta E no higher than 2 or ideally under 1. If you are serious about getting a good monitor, it should be factory calibrated and have hardware calibration (look up what that means, or ask). Any monitor needs regular calibration, for photography or video color grading. Also Apple's.
      If you love your iMac, I see no reason to replace it. If you buy a monitor above $300 and it doesn't look the same in colors, compared to the iMac, it's probably because there's a wrong setting, e.g. gamma is set wrong. If the monitors are just a bit off, it's about color calibration, especially of your old monitor (iMac).
      I hope this helps you.

    • @wojt4spes
      @wojt4spes หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@kerrygrim7934 the point is, gross of people consume pictures and content in digital form, often on apple devices. So the statement that "pro" photographers use different monitors than Apple is inaccurate and wrong. SOME proffesionals use non-Apple displays - especially those who print, those who work for magazines, those who work for cinema etc. As far as I know, those who work with digital pictures are happy to have consistent colors between their devices, if they are Apple devices.

  • @theripper121
    @theripper121 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    So to address your issue with Calibrating dark ends of the gray scale that you mention @11:40, that is generally an issue with the colorimeter you are using and not the display itself. A colorimeter such as that xrite display pro you are using is a colorimeter vs a spectrophotometer. A colorimeter tends to be able to scan most colors faster than a spectrophotometer, but they can at times have trouble scanning very dark colors close to black. If you do any calibrating, you will notice color patches that are very dark take much longer than lighter color patches for this reason. The fact that most people don't run OLEDs that can get completely black they never see this issue calibrating say IPS displays because their blacklight masks this issue with the colorimeter.

  • @Tigerex966
    @Tigerex966 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    What we really want is 5 6 and 8k oled and a choice of matte or glossy 1 24 30 60 ,90 120 240!480 at 1080P hz good metal construction LOOKS
    OPTIONAL AWESOME SPEAKERS KVM PORRSS DROPDOWN PORT HEADPHONE JACK X2 SD CARD READER remote easy osd warranty and price
    The ports can be on a detachable box.

  • @koraykinik9989
    @koraykinik9989 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I am curious of the new 5k 27” monitor asus has

  • @alankefauver6187
    @alankefauver6187 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks and timely I am looking for a new monitor and was looking at the BenQ SW272 nice ot have something to compare. I use LrC, and i saw it on a 4K monitor and the print on the interface was so small it was hard to read I.e ("clarity" "vibrance"). Some say LrC will scale on a 4k, some say it won't. How did LrC look on this monitor? Or Am I better off with a 2K version? Ps: I have had the same high end Dell for 12 yrs, so it's time. I do calibrate with a Spyder. Keep up the good work. I enjoy your informative YTs.

    • @LarryManiccia
      @LarryManiccia หลายเดือนก่อน

      I highly recommend BenQ 2K photographer monitors. I have been using them for many years now and find them to be excellent. Great value for the money. They have internal hardware calibration and are easy to calibrate. Color accuracy is very good. No issue getting delta E values under 2. Best of all their price is very competitive. I get great print matching from screen to paper on my Epson P800. They key is setting your screen luminance properly during calibration. Usually needs to be in the 90 to 110 range depending on the brightness of your editing environment.

  • @bohoffman774
    @bohoffman774 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks very much for this review, but I have one question: how good is the text quality? Greetings from Sweden and from me Bo H.

  • @DanielRodriguez-fg5ll
    @DanielRodriguez-fg5ll หลายเดือนก่อน

    Asus has so many great gaming OLED screens, like the PG32UCDM that it makes very difficult to pay 2x 3x or more for a similar ProArt display.

  • @cosminthunde
    @cosminthunde หลายเดือนก่อน

    Should look into gaming OLED displays. We're curious about even cheap ones. There are 300$ laptops with OLED screens nowadays. And gaming ones have 120+ hz so it's more comfortable to work on

  • @phatsama5942
    @phatsama5942 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Totally unrelated, but what did you use to make your website ?

  • @mufana1
    @mufana1 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    New?
    That display has been around for over a year.
    It’s panel colour uniformity (dC) is less hit and more miss.
    Also, that panel is from a now dead company - JOLED. Add that fact to Asus’s less than stellar reputation regarding their warranties….

    • @NaPH273
      @NaPH273 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      bruh, imagine making a review video about OLED desktop and not pointing out the panel type. But i thought JOLED is "dead" for way more than a year already? which mean if Asus still manage to make a monitor off their full RGB panel, would that mean JOLED still actively support products of this panel type?

  • @pommedapi3847
    @pommedapi3847 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I can see that you are not really active responding to comments but I will still drop my questions here : if you are a professional that create content that is going to be seen on any type of display, does it make sense to work on an OLED panel when the majority of poeple will not be abble to see what you produced on their sRGB monitors? And second question, apparently the oled technology has still problems displaying pixel perfect squares (do to the shape of oled pixels), giving a slight color shift on lines, texts or thin borders, is that correct? Would the mini led technology not be enough and reduce the burn-in risk completely?

  • @kerrygrim7934
    @kerrygrim7934 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Enjoyed your video. Looks like an excellent monitor. Not sure if you use a PC or Apple for your photography, but, many Apple owners loving the new powerful iMacs but wanting a 27" monitor. There are few 5K monitors. The Apple Studio is apparently excellent, but thought expensive. But, it does have a camera and a good speaker system in it. It is unique in having that and an excellent monitor if wanting that. I have a 24" iMac, so my comments on a larger display are not from experience. I would not buy a 27" monitor for photography unless it was 5K.

    • @akyhne
      @akyhne หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      The Studio Display is great, not excellent. This Asus will outclass it in picture quality very easy.If you want good speakers, buy a set of Kanto YU4 or even YU2. They will outclass the speakers of the ASD easily. If you want a webcam, buy a dedicated camera, or use your phone.
      Professionals work on 4K displays, for color critical work, so why can't you? 4K is even good enough for a 32", unless you sit very close to the monitor.

    • @kerrygrim7934
      @kerrygrim7934 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@akyhne this is excellent insight. I won’t assume Apple is better because of expense or higher resolution as I tend to do. Didn’t know the pros use 4K displays and yes, that would surely be good enough for me as a hobbyist. If a dedicated monitor for photography, I would not want speakers.

  • @the_rs43
    @the_rs43 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Peep the 660S with a topping dac, very nice

  • @runcmd1419
    @runcmd1419 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Really boggles my mind when ‘pro’ displays do not come with a shade.

  • @DanielRodriguez-fg5ll
    @DanielRodriguez-fg5ll หลายเดือนก่อน

    One question I have had for a while. I often wonder if Asus (or the Manuf) has way better tools to calibrate the screen at the factory than one can buy (SpyderPro, Calibrate HL Plus etc)? in some monitors after running the software calibration I get worse results (deltaE) than if I measure the factory provided ICC file. That is, Spyder or Calibrate will always try to calibrate but it wont compare its findings to the factory ICC file. so using the thirdparty ICC file might make things worse. does this make sense?

  • @LarryManiccia
    @LarryManiccia หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Overpriced for what you get and really need. For photo editing I'll stick with BenQ products that have just as good color accuracy and are half the price. Love my 27 in. BenQ 2K monitor for photo editing. Colors are always less than 2 deltaE and prints come out of my P800 looking just like my monitor.

  • @nguyenkien5837
    @nguyenkien5837 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Why would you want it to be matte, glossy is 10 times better for editing video

  • @DiogoReis
    @DiogoReis หลายเดือนก่อน

    Oleds are thin, where did asus get those bezels? Even their ips screens have thiner bezels... 😆

  • @moot6794
    @moot6794 หลายเดือนก่อน

    4k am cry

  • @ricki-bobby
    @ricki-bobby หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    The auto-dimming or auto brightness level (ABL/ABSL) "features" of all OLED TV's and monitors make this tech useless for any color accurate use case. I realize this is seen as a way to mitigate burn in but you can't trust a technology that shifts the whites to gray as you enlarge their real estate on the screen

    • @akyhne
      @akyhne หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      I'm sure, Asus has taken this into concideration, on a pro display...

    • @rafograph
      @rafograph หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      For SDR, which is the 95%+ Pros population use case right now and most probably for a while, all Pro OLEDs computer displays I've seen so far doesn't engage ABL. ABL is generally involved in OLED TVs HDR content consumption, so please doesn't generalize

    • @ricki-bobby
      @ricki-bobby หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@rafograph Are you saying that LG, Samsung and Asus make substandard OLED panels? Every one of them do it and in SDR mode as well as HDR. Take a white window and keep resizing it until you fill the screen. It will keep dimming as it gets larger. There is no way to completely turn that off

    • @ricki-bobby
      @ricki-bobby หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@akyhne They haven't because they don't want to be sued for burn in

    • @rafograph
      @rafograph หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@ricki-bobby I'm saying that OLED computer displays behave differently than OLED TVs, it's already written in my previous comment.
      Could you point any OLED computer display that engage ABL based on the increasing full field peak luminance at 100 cd/m^2 (which is the SDR luminance standard)? I would know more about those products

  • @000CloudStrife
    @000CloudStrife หลายเดือนก่อน

    Loaned item. That’s how you can tell the video has some bs in it.