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@@catworld8119 that’s what the delete button is for🤣 goodbye!
@@catworld8119 I suppose you have the same attitude towards a mother who'd pay for the slaughter of humans for consumption because their kid wanted a wee bit of cake?
That really is the problem of the world... the Nazi's put their children ahead of Jewish children, so they engaged in the holocaust. This lady is "putting her children first" and paying for someone to slaughter millions of baby chicks.
Do you have any idea how bad your argument is? Putting your children first doesn't mean setting them up to conform in society. It means teaching them morally right and morally wrong things. It is that easy.
@@MS-ib8xu 🤣🤣🤣🤣 bless your heart😂
@@MS-ib8xu well said
This is such an honest video to make, this must have been hard to make, but it shows a real level of maturity, genuinely actually quite proud of you xxxxx
Articulate, honest, open, wise, humble. Good on you Chloe. What a great role model you are.
wise? articulate? No... she just made excuses so she can exploit animals who value their own lives.
We are a vegan family and I can tell you that we aren’t disappointed in you at all. You have to do what’s right for you. We don’t watch you because of what you eat, that was just a lovely bonus after discovering you. It doesn’t mean we won’t watch you any more as we love your family and the way you gently parent your children. Please don’t feel guilt xx
Yes, another vegan family here. Our son is 15 now and gently struggling with being the only vegan (or even vegetarian) in his group of friends. He talks with us and we support him with any decision he makes. He a strong ethical vegan and hates that he struggles with iit at times. But he knows we will love and support him and will not judge him in anyway if he decides he can't be vegan anymore. Its hard to be vegan in a omni world.
We're a vegan family as well, my kids are so active and smart and luckily they don't feel left out because we have suppotive friends and family who also enjoy plant based food although not vegan necessarily and we make it work so everyone is happy. We also have some very health conscious vegan friends with kids and friends with gluten intolerance, friends that prioritize organic and we all find a common ground and are respectful of one another, but I've heard so many times that some vegans are not as supported or respected and it makes them feel like a burden to others so it makes sense that not every family will be able to stay vegan especially with many kids. Love to all of you❤
I’m vegan / vegetarian if there are vegan options Great if not I choose vegetarian
She should feel guilt though. It's not really hard to be vegan and those problems she described are not a good reason to "leave veganism". It's obviously better then 9/10 other people who don't care that much (or not at all), but she was already vegan - therefore she knows that consuming a few animal products here and there means a few animals suffer for no reason here and there
How is it decided what is right for another? There's many things others do, that as society we feel justified in condemning. It seems to justify what we do, one must have good reasons.
Now I sympathise but I don't think her reasons were good reasons. It's kind of first world problems if I'm honest.
Of course in an omni society there's going to be peer pressure and the odd missing out on sensory pleasures were vegans are not accommodated for, but is that good reason to fund exploitive animal agricultural practices? We know the harm and suffering they cause, to the animals and the environment. Sometime we should feel guilty, there's a reason we've evolved that emotion, it's to dissuade and create regret for choices that are harmful.
If your children are not ethically vegan then what they choose to eat out of the house is up to them. If they are ethically vegan, then we should support and encourage them in that, not condone or advocate they participate in the norms and mores of animals exfoliation and murder. There's already a majority of people encouraging that behaviour.
If your "vegan friends" disown you for not being vegan anymore, then they were never your true friends. It sounds like you made the right decision for you and your family, and that is what matters the most. Good luck.
If one of your friends starts beating his dog, you dont say wow I respect your decision to beat your dog. You try and get them to stop beating their dog and realize the suffering they are causing.
@@CoconutFalafel Beating a dog and going vegan is uncomparable.
@NuraChung thank you! Finally someone who acknowledges the moral issue here..
@NuraChung People eating animals are worse than people torturing animals for pleasure? Hmmmm... I hope you have same opinion on animals killing and eating other animals. They suffer too, when being killed and eaten alive by other
animals.
@@CoconutFalafel Beating a dog and going vegan is very comparable. We say let's cause as less pain as possible in our lives. Let's stop hurting a dog. Let's stop hurting pigs, cows, chickens, fish and etc.
You sound so clever, not because of the decision (I have no opinion there) but the thought process. That's essentially the main reason why I follow your channel. You have a kind and clever family.
This!!
A lot of people forget the part of the definition of veganism that says "as far as is practical and possible." At home we do vegan, but at school and birthday parties etc I allow my kiddos to have the cake... because it's just not practical to keep them away from all animal products all the time outside of my home.
This is how I plan on doing it once I have kids!
Good on you 😁 its a good way of doing it !
Good on you for being honest and making the best decision for your family :) i have twin girls who are two months old and i plan on raising them vegetarian but not vegan. I was strictly vegan after being vegetsrian but i have mellowed now i still eat mostly vegan but the very odd chocolate bar and honey i do let in from time to time :)
Do they not get sick when they eat non vegan food tho?
You allow your kids to eat carcasses of abused animals just bc it’s “hard” to bring your own food?
Chloe, I have been following you from the beginning and you have changed and grown so much. I really respect you for allowing your kids to make their own decisions but yet guiding them along the way. Everything you do you do for your children and if people can not see that then who needs them honestly. I’ve been here watching through your journeys and every decision you make has your kids best interest at heart. Thank you for sharing with us ♥️
It sounds like you've made a sensible, balanced decision that was best for you and your family. This is why I loosely describe myself as a flexitarian - I try to eat vegetarian when I can and where it's practical. And if I don't, I don't.
IT really doesn't matter what your ARE
Rightly said
Good mindset, well put
Really well said, it’s good to consciously try eat less meat/animal products but I don’t see why it has to be an all or nothing thing
Thai is the right mindset to have.
We have a saying in France, "Only idiots never change their minds". What is right for you, is right for you and what is right for another person is right for them. No one should impose their choices on others. If your friends stop being your friends because of what you eat then they never were your friends in the first place.
I have a lactose intolerance and gluten intolerance, I wish I could eat normally but I have no choice but to eat gluten-free foods and lactose-free even though I love dairy products. I always say to my friends that if they're lucky enough to be able to eat wheat and dairy, to do it. lol Because I wish I could.
What’s the phrase in French? :)
@@111mckenzie "Il n'y a que les idiots qui ne changent pas d'avis "
@@111mckenzie
"Il n'y a que les imbeciles qui ne changent pas d'avis". :D
Merci! Je prends des cours de français :))
Merci, aussi!
I’m not disappointed, I actually feel like you are so much more educated and approachable and reasonable now. That sounds like a backhanded compliment but I promise it isn’t. Really proud of you and you seem like an amazing mum
Your words come from a place of maturity. You’re living your own truth and that’s a beautiful thing.
Life changes! Isn't it neat how we are able to change our minds? And isn't even neater to be accepting of people's choices as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else? A new adventure.
It does hurt someone tho. Hurts the animals they're gonna be eating 😂
@@backlife So, they are vegetarian now?
@@lunamir9372 at the end of the video she said they went back to being vegetarian. they still eat vegan food but don‘t restrict themselves to only vegan food.
Such a great comment 😊
@Cara B i know. Chloe just mentioned that they eat eggs now. they still don‘t drink cow milk. so they still try their best.
You are great parents, never doubt yourself and what is right for your family. If anyone disowns you because of your food choices, they were never truly your friends.
you are such a caring, insightful, well meaning person and mother. It’s really amazing to watch
I am a 71 year old grandmother who is so proud of you for making this difficult decision and expressing it to your followers. You are still young and are discovering that life can be a very fluid experience and you are listening to your intuition and I think moving back towards your personality which is open and accepting. I know the feeling of ‘making the perfect choices’ and if not you are not perfect. I have struggled with that all my life and moved through many ways of eating as I listened to my own needs and those of my family. What I see is a family who are teaching your children in such a fantastic way to be open to learning, aspiring to follow their interests and this change will allow them to be more open rather than rigid in their choices. Life is all about choices and there will be many, many more to make. I am so proud of all of you.
We are animal based family with 5 years old and 1.5years old boys. I breastfed my older boy for 2 years 7 months, and still breastfeeding my youngest boy. We have farm. All animal we eat its grass fed and free ranged chicken eggs, we dont eat pork because its hard to find the good one. We drink raw milk, eat raw cheese, sheep yoghurt, cultured butter, cultured ghee. No using vegetables oil and seed oil. My son goes daycare 2 days a week do eat fruit and vegetables. Some people do think im crazy. But my children are healthy, happy and strong. Don't blame yourself, you doing great. Also my children really like your online store books and toys. We buy a lot.
@@yuchunkung3746 but is this good for long term
@@ritesharora6032 i think it got a lot health benefits. I make sauerkraut, bone broth, meat stock, sometimes bake sourdough bread, grass fed Cattle, wild caught salmon, homemade raw milk yoghurt and kefir, kids love it with berries.
@@yuchunkung3746 vegan is not good?
@@ritesharora6032 not for growing children, pregnant women and breastfeeding women. I think vegan its fasting not for long tern, because can not get all the essential nutrition from vegan diet.
You do you. And don’t ever feel guilty for your decisions. Everyone’s life is different and you just have to adjust as you go. You guys are doing amazing as parents and human beings. ❤️
Oh no kids are going on the down slide now on their health!!! Dairy milk/ cheese puss meat/ animal death 💀 honey bee vomit 🤮 eggs 🥚 chicken period!!!! Gross I’m unsubscribing CYA !!!your morels just went out the door 🚪 poor animal 🐓 🦒 🐮 🦔🦓 🐑 🐝 growth restriction that’s because they had another body in there they were fighting for it was no room
@@trishalwlr I really can't tell if this is sarcastic or genuine... Hoping for sarcastic :D
I so agree KC!
@@trishalwlr please it's not up to you to decide what's best for someone else. Unsub cause of the food they eat? So dumb.
@@trishalwlr this is exactly the kind of toxic judgmental behavior that gives vegans a bad name. Open your mind and heart. You are in no position to judge anyone about anything. Everyone has their own journey. Focus on yours
You know what? I just read something yesterday that said "perfection doesn't exist... Nobody is perfect and nobody can be perfect because human life isn't perfect"
I felt relieved because I was judging myself so hard in so many ways that I was going downhill, feeling sad and angry with myself... Everybody is different and that is perfectly okay... It's amazingly fine just doing the best we can ❤
As a former teacher of young children, I can honestly say that I love how you & your husband raise your children. You are both calm, caring & genuinely interested in each of their interests, etc. The fact that you are thinking about how your children are feeling at school when non-vegan birthday cakes, etc. are being served is a further testament to your good parenting. It is actually (in my opinion) very mature of you both to look at this situation in terms of what is best for your family. As you said, you have to decide what is best for your family. Just because we all have the privilege of enjoying your family here on TH-cam, doesn't mean that we have the right to judge your decisions. Have a blessed week! 💖
Veganism was certainly never about being perfect it's about making reasonable adjustment and choosing vegan foods where possible ❤
Thanks for sharing, there's no shame in changing your journey and direction
Please start acknowledging the effects of pesticides and crop protection permits.
Thank you.
@@GarlandFarms Sorry, I don't understand, please explain what you mean in regards to my comment
Unfortunately for some people it is about being perfect.
Conscious consumption of all things be it food, plastic, clothing or even electricity. You're raising your kids to be kind and thoughtful young people and I think that is much more important than just you can't eat that because of a label we've attached ourselves to.
Vegans aren't vegan in order to be vegan. Vegans aren't vegan in order to be able to attach a certain label to themselves, or because we attached a certain label to ourselves. We are vegan for ethical reasons. We merely use the word "vegan" in order to make communication easier.
I love how honest you are.
I personally always felt like restictions are not good for me. I don’t call myself a vegan because i am not vegan 100% of the time. I love vegan food, i love eating vegan when i have the chance but it’s triggering for me to restrict myself so i always leave the option open for dairy products/ eggs.
Thats a good mindset. I feel the same way.
You're the only family I'm subscribed to actually. And I 've always watched you not only because you're all beautiful but mostly because you stand firm on what you know is good for you.
Much love
This video proves you two are doing the best you can for your babies. They are so so lucky to have you. Amazing parenting!
The thing is, we would do anything for our children, and it’s very hard for any other moral position to overcome that. That makes so much sense, and I can’t see someone coming for you for that. Xxxx
but rest assured,people come 4 her.
i will, just because she has a strong maternal instinct doesn't justify raping and murdering animals.
Never feel guilty for doing what is best for yourself and our family! It’s such a great thing that we are able to change and evolve as our needs/beliefs do. You are a great mom and human. We are all just doing the best we can and that is absolutely good enough.
You made a good decision. I believe in the K.I.S.S Theory; "Keep It Simple Stupid". Don't stress yourself, you have enough on your plate! You're a great Mom.
Yess Jane! K.I.S.S theory. I agree ! She is an amazing inspiration. She and Ro are great parents. Such love.
I love the fact that I couldn’t find a single negative comment on this video! That goes to show that we often judge ourselves so much more that others would. Let’s be kinder to ourselves and have a little grace! ❤️ It’s perfectly fine to be our imperfect self!
Thanks Cloe for your honesty. You’re an amazing woman 😘
Might want to look again I commented on one persons negative thoughts
I just want to say even as a “meat eater” big ups to you for putting yourself and the kiddos over dietary options, you talking about the anxiety about people making you other meal alternatives weighs heavy on my as a very picky eater as I avoid going places for food that I haven’t cooked but good on you mumma! Very proud and love watching this new chapter with you and the kiddos
Mad respect for anyone who puts their kids' health and safety over their ideologies. Humans evolved using animals for sustenance, and while we tend to use animal products waayyy more than we need to, a lot of our biological processes are tuned to breaking down animal products. Also those who question vaccines, but still vaccinate their kids even on a delayed schedule. It's good to question your surroundings and confirm its safety for yourself, but it's also good to listen to people who have studied these things and know more about it than you do.
@@theonlyabberdabber this was so well put! People need to study, question etc and make their own decisions but at the same time sometimes the professionals do know what they’re talking about !
Either way I always support questioning, changing minds etc just as long as safety and love come first
veganism isn't a diet its an ethical stance.
@@jurrac8505 Congrats, a child's needs still need to come before ethical stances, especially ones pertaining to diet and nutrition that can impact a child's entire future.
@@jurrac8505 it’s can be a diet it depends on the person.
Either way the ethical stance involves dietary changes which can be fantastic or be harmful depending on the person and how it is done.
Dear Chloe....it was really brave of you to share your deep feelings you have gone through.... Being a good person depends on how you treat other people and all the good things you do for the needy....So, no need to be afraid or blame yourself for the choices you make as a family, because FAMILY COMES FIRST... ❤️❤️❤️❤️ Lots of love!!
Being flexible improves your life, be strict when your can, and flexible when needed. Takes away a lot of the stress. If you can explain (to yourself and kids) why breaking rules (about lifestyle, not the law 😊) within limits and with thought is oké, you might even be a more perfect parent then when only black or white! ❤️
I find "plant based" to be a helpful label, as someone who eats maybe 30% vegan meals and 80% vegetarian - it means you can choose where you add your own margins for those products
It’s amazing that you have been brave enough to tell us about you not being a vegan family anymore, don’t beat yourself up over it, it’s only labels, you’re a beautiful family with gorgeous children …
So proud of you for accepting the fact that some things aren’t for you or your family and make the changes that you feel are best for you all. You are an incredible woman, mother and wife. 💜
Amen, she’s a lovely wonderful gal, and an incredible mummy.
I like you so much as a person! I love how you educate your children, how you think and generally how easygoing you are. I follow you since the birth of the triplets :) hugs from Italy!
Thank you for your openness and honesty. Well done for your ability to work through the different times of your life. I'm a retired British primary school teacher and found your vlogs at the beginning of this year. I'm impressed with your parenting skills and know that you are currently home schooling your children. Well done to both of you!
That fact of the matter with your guilt of giving the twins dairy formula is you simply did what you had to do to feed your babies. You gave them what donor breast milk you could and tried them on a soy formula and it just so happened that dairy formula is what they needed.
If your friends are decent people they will respect your decision and not let it affect your friendship. You do you ❤
Well, if your vegan and invite meat-lovers over to your house then make the effort to serve them steaks!!! You can have vegan for your family but of course you make the effort to have meat for your non-vegan friends. Don't let your style of eating affect your friendship!
Veganism is a cult.
So many ex-vegans here with you, me also. :) It really is a cult.
@@nitakeiju5234 the thing is... there are a bunch of people taking stuff to extremes and they destroy it for everyone else. Like the types of vegans that think they're better people just because they're vegan and that's just... yeah. Weird ppl. And it unfortunately somehow goes from I don't wanna harm animals to being a shitty person towards everyone who's not vegan real quick. And then comes prejudice. Vicious cycle :|
and if they don't then leave them.🤷🏾♀️
I think the overall message here is our life and circumstances change and we adapt to these changes over time. You’ve made a decision that suits you and your family best. 👏🏼
Yes Holly. You are correct. It’s their life and they are no way a disappointment.
I am beyond thrilled for you!!! Welcome to a more fun, vibrant, happier, healthier, easier life! Good for you Chloe and family
I was recovering from an eating disorder and I recognise a lot of how you’re describing how you felt during your veganism with how I felt during the height of my ED. There’s actually a description that might resonate with you quite strongly called Orthorexia. This doesn’t include restricting the amount you eat and isn’t always or even ever associated with weight loss, but it describes a very strict mental association with certain types of food as being very linked to morals and those rules can be incredibly strict (even as strict as, say, refusing to touch or use beeswax crayons). I’m so so glad that you’ve been able to reconcile relaxing some of those rules and conditions you imposed on yourself without automatically feeling like you were doing something Awful or being Abhorrent and Uncaring Towards Animals - because you can be both vegetarian AND care about animals AND be a good person. Xxx
Great info!
I was just thinking the same things.
Would people use orthorexia to describe the behavior of people who don't eat certain food for religious reasons then 🤔
@@queentatoune great question! Usually there are religious guidelines that stop at the edges of your particular sect of religion where there suddenly becomes an area designated for personal choice. Unless you are the strictest of strict, most orthodox of orthodox, and that’s in every area of your life. I would think there could be circumstances where someone may come to view their very strict eating habits (absent to any other area of their faith where they are as particularly strict) as restrictive and harmful to them, and possibly a form of orthorexia.
Label are only helpful if they are helpful and what looks like “orthorexia” or was orthorexia to one person may simply be “paleo” or “veganism” or “keto” for others. The main issue is “are these strict eating habits causing problems for me? Is keeping to these rules causing anxiety, or caused by anxiety unrelated to the food and more related to my inherent worth as a person?”
you could take two people with the exact same eating habits and one could be experiencing severe anxiety around food and wish they could allow themselves to eat differently but just CAN’T and the other might be fine with their eating habits and really enjoying their strict diet. And there you have the difference.
ETA: and that final example could also be the SAME person, 2/3/4 years apart. What started out as fun and fulfilling suddenly turning anxiety inducing and restrictive due to a change in circumstances, or simply time passing. It’s very fluid and labels are really only helpful if they’re helpful.
veganism isn't a diet its an ethical stance against raping and murdering animals.
I agree about the “all or nothing” approach. I studied environmental science at university and a professor once compared veganism to driving a car. Like obviously we all know that cars are bad for the environment and even mass transportation has some drawbacks, but it’s just not feasible for everyone to walk everywhere. Insisting on walking everywhere would prevent people from thriving because that’s not how the system is set up and it makes more sense to invest in alternative transportation and energy efficiency than never leaving your house!
That's a false equivalence. Veganism is a stance against an injustice, whereas driving a car isn't. It's like someone comparing anti-racism or anti-sexism to driving a car. They're not even close to the same thing and therefore can't be compared. Would you think an "all or nothing" approach to any other injustice (sexism, racism, homophobia, etc.) is unreasonable or not practicable? If not, then why is it any different when it comes to a certain injustice, but not others?
@@FieldOfFireflies its an analogy mate
@@lilymcmanaway Yeah, and the analogy either fails or misunderstands veganism (if it's strictly about the environment). The disanalogy is that funding the slaughter of animals involves rights violations and driving a car doesn't.
Irrelevant. It makes no sense. It's a false equivalence, mate.
You can't compare a stance against an injustice to driving a car. Nonsensical.
@@FieldOfFireflies comparing the environmental impact of two things doesn't mean that they have to be the same or that other parameters have to be the same. If doesn't make sense to limit environmental impact comparisons to injustices in this case
I’m pregnant (FTM) and my husband and I have been vegan for 5+ years now. We also have made a decision, because we are starting a family, to leave strict veganism. We can’t imagine dumping out our sons Halloween candy, not allowing him to have cake at a birthday party, or a pizza party at school, etc. WE like it and can make sacrifices, but we don’t want him to miss out on huge parts of childhood that we got to experience and loved. I respect parents that make either decision, but I am right there with you. ❤️
I hugely respect how you & Rowan are raising your precious children. The relationships are just amazing. They are thriving in a Steiner school and you've always brought elements of Steiner into your home, probably without noticing. You are choosing what's best for you and your babies. Nobody has the right to judge you for that. I was also a mom with no milk, not even a drop. I followed the Pediatricion's advice and my daughter flourished.
I am vegan. And i am NOT disappointed in you. ❤ i think you should do what is best for you and your family. Love all the way from iceland.❤
Me too i agree too
We did vegan and gave it up, I wouldn’t go back to vegan again, but each to their own.
Get your affairs (financial and otherwise) in order if you're vegan. Make sure you have someone in mind to raise your kids, because likely you will be too sick to care for them, or will die...before they grow up.
How do you even survive in Iceland? Go eat some fish girl, before you fall apart from Vitamin D deficiency.
I love steak and i'm disappointed in all of you
You know what's best for yourself and your family and that's what is important!! 🤍🤍
I think it’s great that you considered your kids’ mental and emotional wellbeing when making this decision. It would have been hard to see them feel guilty over using wool and other stuff. Not to mention the social aspect of not feeling involved/included when food isn’t vegan.
I admired your devotion to veganism and I continue to admire your openness and honesty. Thank you for sharing your family.
I avoid foods that were made or raised in a factory, so essentially I eat free range everything where it's possible. But sometimes it's not convenient or I may feel I can't afford it on occasion. I used to feel guilty but now I remind myself i make the best CHOICE when I can and when I can't, that's OK. You have quite enough going on without additional stress. One day things may change again and you may change again. Whatever works for today, with the best of intentions, is the right thing to do, in my opinion. BTW anyone who decides not to be your friend over this wasn't your friend in the first place.
It’s just a new season of life. Everybody grows and changes - as long as you’re happy and your family is happy no one has a right to judge your decisions!
I find that to be so interesting. Me and some friends and family changed so much during lockdown in this or a similar way. Maybe due to the reason that we had the time to rethink everything...
I just want to say the children’s school sounds freaking amazing. Learning and seeing a direct connection between the animal and the animal product itself is amazing. It’s educational. It’s more practical. Anyways just wanted to say we can all see how great you and roe are at parenting. You guys have so much love to give and put forth so much effort in (wht seems like) all areas. So I think the majority of youre viewers will trust youre decisions based on that alone. I always trust the mama. You know best and I’m so proud of your honesty to share this. It’s the reality and important to be shared to others. Thank you always ♥️
You still gave your kids the best chance with food, than most parents can. Your children have such a well rounded diet, and enjoy things I can only dream of my kids eating. They love veggies, and whole grains, and vegan options. My kids are the absolutely worst eaters, and I wish I stuck to healthy choices. You're an amazing mom, and ive always looked up to you guys. I love seeing all the changes, in lifestyle, in maturity, in watching the kids grow, it makes me feel so normal. Thank u. This must have been rough to make.
I’m not disappointed, it’s okay, Chloe! What I want it’s you and your family be happy and healthy ❤️
Sounds like the perfect decision for your family at this stage in all your lives. 🤍
Thank you for making this video! It touches on a larger issue that yes, a family may be public/on TH-cam and such, but they are still free to make choices that are right for their families. Even in families who are not online, you don’t know their entire story (and no one owes anyone an explanation!). Thank you for opening up dialogues such as this and promoting love and acceptance of the paths families and individuals take 🥰❤️
We don’t bring any animal products into our home but at school and parties, events etc my children can choose.
Why? Because you are afraid of what other kids will say or think about your kids? Why not teach your kids to be leaders and stick to their moral obligations?
@@MS-ib8xu I think that that's quite hard to do. I personally think that they should experience first hand what it feels like to enjoy a food but then being reminded that an animal suffered for it. So why not let them test those things while continuously educating them
I kind of agree. We can only really control what our kids eat in our home. If our kids are not ethically vegan then we can't prevent them from choosing accordingly when away from home. But I think we shouldn't condone or endorse anti vegan choices like she did. I'm sure we'd try and dissuade our kids from doing many other immoral acts they may witness others do. I don't see why we shouldn't be the same with veganism.
@@MS-ib8xu there’s no such thing as a moral obligation
@@Daz19 morals tho
You are a wonderful person !! You always were and you still are. If this feels right, it must be right for your family. Love from India ❤
Such powerful messages. Thank you for setting the example for flexibility, self care, adaptability and a willingness to accept imperfection. There is no one right way to live life, we all have to find our own place of peace and joy.
Not an easy decision and I completely respect your choice and your openness. Love your family, love your videos❣️✨🤗
Very interesting chat. Thanks Chloe. Amazing Mum doing amazing things, keeping it real and spirited from inside. Watching for years. Love it
This is a very brave of you to share it.
Aww the cake story is sad, and if I'm able to support students and families by bringing something all my students can eat, I will try my best. I personally dont follow a diet I try to eat what my body needs but an conscious of what goes into things. It's always a learning process, and nobody said you have to stay on one lifestyle forever.
Also I'm a future teacher, but taking in everything I learn, hear on the internet to try and be as universal and adaptable as I can be.
As a mom and teacher, I brought fun pencils and erasers for my kids to share on their birthdays. This prevented lots of allergy and dietary issues.
@@dianawright2030 yeah that helps too. My parents, and alot of my friends parents did the whole party thing though. Class goodie bags and cupcakes, chips, drinks. Which yes is alot, but its something my mom never got (a single birthday celebration) and that's what she wanted to do for us and our friends. I'll keep all this in mind though, who knows maybe parents have calmed down since my last classroom birthday party 😂😂
As a person with so, so many food intolerances and allergies as well as physical digestive issues, I have a very limited diet and totally understand the issues of eating outside of your home, especially if people invite you over and want to cook. I really applaud your decision to do what feels right for you and your family. You can still stand up for animal rights and ethical issues without avoiding certain foods. Life is short, at the end of it the only thing that matters is, did I have a good, happy life. So do what makes you and your family happy.
Thank you for sharing this with us Chloe. I cannot imagine how anxiety inducing it must be putting something like this out there knowing the potential backlash you can receive. You should hold your head up high knowing you did what was right for your kids and also by ensuring that you gave your kids a safe place to make the choice for themselves (re the school party related things). I think that in itself is an amazing and you should be proud of what an amazing mum you are! I hope you enjoy this new journey and that you find yourself feeling better emotionally with the pressure off. 🖤
As someone who has been vegan a long time, this makes sense to me. It’s not an easy decision, but lifestyle wise it’s very easy to slide back into vegetarian. Life gets so busy with kids and work and pets and vegan can be expensive and hard at times. What I don’t get is people who become full blown carnivores, or never eat a vegan meal again, or eat a ton of meat after being vegan. Being more flexible does help with the heaviness of it. Great explanation, very thoughtful.
When people swing so far in another direction I guess it could be a kind of burnout, like they are so tired of what they were doing they just want something as different as possible. But I also think some people just have very passionate personalities, and whatever choices they make in their life they tend to do them with huge enthusiasm and even kind of to an extreme.
I agree with the other comment - I think that the "all or nothing" toxic perfectionism mentality really does burn people out. So instead of reducing their consumption of animal products, they just feel like they can't do it at all anymore, so they go back to eating meat. I think the same thing happens with zero waste too.
wow. i just sat there an nodded my head while i watched this, i totally agree with and see why you've made these decisions, especially in regards to the food relationship area...i myself have struggled with disordered eating most of my life (i'm currently working on it!) , and having a daughter of my own im SO aware of things that could impact her relationship with food.
i love how intelligent and brave you are. such a role model for your children
I'm not vegan. I'm also not zero waste. I try to reduce waste and buy local when I can. It's just not always possible for me. Are you disappointed in me?
No-one has the right to look down on you for keeping your family happy and healthy. You are an awesome person and a great mum. Keep at it.
I am extremely proud of you and your decision as a family. I'm impressed with your maturity to be courageous enough to change and grow as you see fit. I'm impressed with your willingness and openness to the changes in your children's lives that needed adjusting so they could freely experience the own encounters, especially as opportunities arise now going to school. A brilliant choice of school by the way. I wish I had sent my children to as school like yours. You really are a good example of relevant and present parents who are willing to make changes to benefit their children's all-round growth and development. Your children are blessed to be in your home. I would be honoured to have people like you as my friends. Keep doing "you" as you are very good at making excellent choices for yourselves. Thank you for sharing your lives with us. I live in Perth too. Maybe one day we will cross paths! I wish you all the very best for 2021 and onwards!
I love the way you explained this so honestly and completely get your decision. I just try to make educated decisions about what I’m consuming - I figure that I’m not perfect but every little bit helps. I won’t buy anything with goose down feathers like quilts and cushions bc of the cruel way the feathers are harvested. I try to buy cruelty free makeup and skincare. I only buy certain types of eggs etc. I’m certainly not perfect but I do my best without overly restricting myself XX
What a wonderful forward thinking mother you are. You are putting your children first. I admire you. ❤️❤️
This openes things up for your family so much. I loved going to my best friends house for dinner, his mom is an amazing cook! Now your babies can experience lots of new things and not feel guilty. You have to do what's best for you and your family. ❤️❤️
I’m in a similar boat as your family! I feel better now I have incorporated animal products again. Proud of you. Hope yous are all thriving 🤍
Truly, I do strongly believe it's an exceptionally difficult path (and often not healthy, physically or mentally) to be extreme in our practices. I admire you both for recalibrating when it became a hindrance. That's intelligence and wisdom right there. ❤️
I feel like the vegan community is very judgey against non-vegans. I can see where it could become toxic and anxiety inducing. Good job on making a rational decision for your family based on experience.
I feel like the non-racist community is very judgey against racists. I can see where it could become toxic and anxiety inducing. Good job on making a rational decision for your family based on experience.
@@DW-md5gr wanted to write this comment 😂 so true
@@DW-md5gr nice deflection
One time I joined a group for vegans because I needed some recipe ideas, and it said that non-vegans were welcome. A single mother made a post about how she was really struggling with veganism for various reasons and wanted to started incorporating a few dairy products back into her diet, but she felt guilty. Most people were commenting saying "you just have to think of the animals, then you won't struggle to stay vegan", so essentially making her feel more guilty. I commented saying that veganism is great but if it's not working for her, eating a bit of dairy doesn't make her a bad person. Then the admins deleted my comment because I was apparently "promoting animal cruelty". That kind of sums it all up, for me. People should be allowed to just do what they can, even if that means not being perfect. The guilt-trips put far more people off of even attempting to eat more plant-based food, than they do convert people to veganism.
@@twylabobette2012 you were promoting it and no, if you join a vegan group you shouldn't be allowed to do so. If some people struggle, they should be helped, solutions can be found. But just saying "eat some animal products again" is just as absurd in this context.
19:56 "I know I will disappoint people": Dear, I respect you even more: you were able to make a wise decision for yourself, make peace with your mind, look back on your choices, open more your mind to other's pov, took care of your and your family's mental health and open to people about it!! that was probably difficult and a long process that demand lots of energy, thinking, respect, maturity, open mind and courage.
Thank you so much for being open and honest!❤️❤️
I’m older so for me , feeling bad about what people may think about the choices I make in my life, is something that’s just not my frame of mind. Like I would not even think twice about making a video sharing something like this. (Thinking other people will think I’m a bad person and/or judge me ) . Do what works best for you and your family, my dear Nothing but respect for all that you do. 🤗💪🏽
Chloe , your amazing! If people disown you, then they aren’t real friends anyway ! Good on you for doing what you feel is right ❤️
You and Ro are great parents and people! That’s what is most important. Keep raising your Beans in the loving and healthy way you always have!
Veganism isn’t for everyone - and if it WAS for everyone our planet and environment would have a whole different set of problems! The best choice takes a balance of good for animals and environment and what actually works for you and your family!
Love this note, great perspective
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Love this comment it makes sense 👍👍
Veganism isn't for everyone but it is for some.... well said!
@@belab.9078 Until I found your comment I was like what's wrong with people? Thank god somebody talking some sense.
It’s absolutely not all or nothing.
I’d love to be a full time vegan but much like you our family life wouldn’t work that way or it’d be very difficult. I’m a vegetarian and if there’s a vegan option then great but it’s the best I can do and it has to be enough. Glad you arrived at a point that’s less stressful x
Out of curiosity....why would being vegan not work for you? I think cutting out meat is probably the most challenging part for most people...you already have done that. You are like half way there, I am kind of just curious to know why you chose to stop. I promise I won't hate you for it either. :P
@@mikaapollo1453 our biggest challenge would be dairy products. My kids school doesn’t offer warm meals for special diets (only a vegetarian option) so if I wanted vegan I’d have to make packed lunches every day. They could never eat what their friends bring in or even have the school milk. I want them to have choice and not feel restricted.
@@hello_its_jo9951 Alright...so does your family eat vegetarian at home? sometimes vegans make exceptions for their children, like at school they will let their children eat other foods, or drink milk like you said, same if they go to birthday parties.
Sounds kinda similar to my dilemma. I am 100% vegan, my husband has only managed to cut out animal products but hasn't given it up completely using yes the excuse he is selfish and likes a good burger once in awhile. I do not let him bring it in the house though or eat it around me. He can go to his friends for that or a restaurant. My reason being was basically if he just eats animals anyways all the time and brings it in the house, as much as I love him and want to respect his choices, it would defeat the purpose of me going vegan. Since I did it for many reasons, including ethics and morals. So we did come to a compromise, that deal was when I went vegan I had to cook him good vegan dishes and he promised to make more conscience decisions towards food. He has cut out meat, never drank milk or big on cheese etc (he is lactose intolerant) etc...like he may now only eat out like once every few months. Probably because all the documentaries and videos I made him watch or I guess my cooking isn't half bad. He really surprised me, because at first it was a fight. Now I have another dilemma too....I rescued cats before I went vegan. So like from as far as I know and hours upon research, cats are carnivores and it is impossible to argue that. They can't just supplement like humans do, they naturally absorb nutrients from only the direct source. That even if it was possible to turn a cat vegan, it has MANY risks. So I am in a lose lose situation. So I just buy more expensive food that is cruelty free. At least until there is better options. So I am conflicted like you, but it didn't stop myself from going vegan.
Way I put it is...yes the long term goal to vegans is globalize veganism....But we need some short term goals. Me going extreme vegan is not ending the death or the torture animals go through etc....Tomorrow not everyone is going to go vegan. It doesn't happen over night. In the mean time we can do our best to help end things like the cruelty side of things as much as possible. Everybody does this by shortening the demand. Any option to cut out animal products is a step. It may not be the best step. I get that taking the life of an animal that is unnessary or stealing milk that belongs to a calf and all the other awful things is bad yes....But if our demand was not so high you can at least hope for a better life for these animals. Even in the best of slaughterhouses. highest technology etc...have routine checks....mistakes happen because our demand for these products is insanely high. WAY too high. We can at least help end that. Farm animals are crammed in too small spaces etc because again they have to breed so many to meet the demand. The more people go vegan or the more people make the option to cut animal products out of their life, the animals will still benefit. It is why I try to be very careful with my preaching. We need to stop calling people fake vegans or hypocrites. Some people are just truly doing their best and they do want the same as vegans. Does that make sense?
@@hello_its_jo9951 It is like we are on our own worse enemy. lol
Congratulations for having the courage to choose what is best for you and your family right now. You are teaching your kids to be open minded, tolerant and free to think and choose what is best for them. How could we be disappointed with that? Loved your video ❤️
Thanks Chloe! I have been following for years and we often share the same perspective!! This is one of those times!! Thanks for your openness and your honesty and above all for being so flexible and following the flow of life!!
Haven't watched the video yet, but I recently quit vegetarianism after 5 and a half years of not eating meat. I was 13 when I made this decision and didn't know myself enough at the time, but it worked for me until recently, when I realized that a restrictive diet was harmful to my mental health ( I have anxiety and ocd). Thanks for sharing your decision with us!
You always have to put yourself and your children first and not be concerned about others feelings. It's very nice of you to give people an explanation even though you didn't have to. Am not a vegan but I enjoy watching your family for how special it is and not because how you guys eat.
Chloe, I follow you since the triplets were tiny babies, and I should say I admire you so much, I think we're about the same age and you inspire me a lot with the way you (and Ro also) raise your sweet little beans. And this is just the thing I always see you doing, making the choices you think are the best for your family, and It's truly beautiful! I'm planning my first pregnancy next year, and I should say I've learnt a lot with you about parenthood, you are an amazing Mom!
Kisses and hugs to all sweet beans and their lovely parents, from Brazil
I totally understand your decision. I'm vegetarian, and I'm quite flexible with dairy products so sometimes I do try not to eat them, but if I want a pizza, a birthday cake, or I'm hanging out with friends, I just eat them, without wondering if there is a vegan option. I believe I'm making enough impact in the world and with the animals, not eating all the time. Also, when I have kids, I'm going to make the house vegetarian, but if they go out or are at school, and want to eat meat, I'm totally fine. My choice was to be vegetarian, and they should make theirs. My reasons are not their reasons
So it's nice that the kids are going to feel included in school now
Once or twice, or even more, it's fine. You are already doing a lot for the planet
That's kinda how we live... We call it "mostly plant based diet" - I am also lactose intolerant, so it seems only natural to not eat dairy. But we still eat cheese, honey, haven''t eaten eggs in weeks... I am a fashion designer and I love using wool as a natural material.... I did judge myself for not be able to "go all the way" - so thank you for your honesty! It really helps and takes the pressure from me =)
You’re brilliant parents xxxx
Would love to hear the children’s thoughts on this change. I’m pleased your more comfortable in this new journey xx
Good for you, Chloe! You are an amazing mommy and Ro is a great dad! You have beautiful hearts. Thank you for sharing your lives. Be happy, be blessed and be calm💙💗💙💙💙💙💙💗💙💗🌈🌼🌷
I really really hope that no other vegans come for you for this - and if you’re vegan and reading this I hope you can comment with compassion and not the all-or-nothing anxiety and judgement attitude that has clearly affected Chloe so badly xxx
In all honesty I’m more worried about the cult of raw meat eaters who have been bashing them for years🥲
@@LarsBarrs people eat raw meat?
@@jesseewalker5147 religiously, they think that fruits and vegetables make you sick and eating exclusively raw red meat is the way humans should live…they obviously are not very fond of vegans
@@LarsBarrs if they want to eat raw meat, they can certainly carry on, but don't expect me too lol
What's wrong with an "all or nothing" mindset when it comes to an injustice? Do you think this mindset is wrong or unreasonable when it comes to other injustices like racism, sexism, homophobia? All of the movements against these injustices have all or nothing mindsets so what's your issue when it comes to people having that mindset when it comes to anti-speciesism/animal cruelty?
We love you and your family for you, not for what you eat. You are amazing and I have always admired you. You are awesome. There are so many things I admire from you and I still do.
This is the best "why I'm not vegan anymore" video I've ever watch. I like your honesty and your open mind 🙂
You are an incredible momma who does EVERYTHING for those kids. They have the most amazing lives. You’re doing what’s best for your family! ❤️ lots of love!
You being real and honest is what is important here ❤️
I can tell you’re super empathic and kind thinking about how all the choices you make affects everything around you as well as the immense guilt you can feel thinking you’re making the wrong choice/a choice that could hurt someone. I always felt so guilty about my breastfeeding journey too like I wasnt good enough. Anyway I’m rambling you’re doing good job 💖
What a beautiful video, again you show us your wisdom. Thanks for your super honesty, you are very brave. Hugs from Colombia🤗🤗🤗
Did you find your perspective change around animal byproducts when they were from free range chickens like the school provided vs. store bought? I have a massive issue with factory farmed animals but most locally sourced products (honey, eggs, dairy, wool) are made with love and respect for the animals that make those things and I love being able to support those businesses!
Do they prioritise the animal's wellbeing over their products?
A lot of the ethics comes down to exploitation and intent. Are we using these animals for their byproducts? Will they be cared for when no longer profitable?
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Do these animal owners discard of male chicks? Do they kill or send the animals for slaughter when they're no longer laying enough egg or producing good wool, adequate milk etc?
The answers to all these questions seem to best determine whether it's an ethical practice, and one we should fund.
For example,
Egg laying hens have been selectively bred to lay magnitudes more eggs than they naturally would. So many more eggs that it leaches calcium from there bones and other nutrients from their systems. Such egg laying hens should have their eggs fed back to them to counter some of their loss. Bee keepers often have to seriously harm the colony to extract the honey.
Egg laying hens are often bought from hatcheries. Hatcheries that kill all the male chick's, either by grinding them up alive or suffercating them in sacks (standard legal practices).
Sheep are often castrated without anesthetic, they often get cut when sheered.
So again it depends on intetent. We have to ask those previous questions about each practice before we can establish it's ethics.
@@Daz19 just as an example, I have 4 chickens that I collect eggs from. When I didnt have my own I got them from a family member who had a few dozen chickens, they take great care for their animals, their children love them, and they sell the extra eggs at a market. I'm in a rural area and am also very familiar with a local sheep farmer and the person that does most shearing in my area. I'm very comfortable with the farmer animal relationship they have and am happy to support them.
Also my brother has bees and reaches out to local businesses to spread his hives around as they grow and split so that the bee population can thrive again. He also takes honey and sells what his family doesnt use.
You realize in most cases free range doesn't mean shit and is a bull shit lie so humans can feel better about the animal products they are consuming. Never ever forget the food industries and those involved are only interested in a profit. Like most corporations when interested in a profit, they tend to lie out of their teeth so we buy into their bull shit.
@@mikaapollo1453 ya I'm not talking about free range from a grocery store. I'm talking about chickens that I can see and interact with, i know that they are respected and loved.
@@nicolefoch2220 Oh okay sorry for my confusion then. Carry on. :)